[MCN-L] off topic : U3-X Personal Mobility Prototype
Hi, Watch this video. It's a sit down Segway by Honda. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuIJRsAuCHQ At the end of the video, you can see it used in a museum. An old school with an old school printed catalogue. Hanan Cohen Webmaster Bloomfield Science Museum Jerusalem www.mada.org.il http://www.mada.org.il/en/ - Facebook http://www.facebook.com/pages/-/127569645760 - Twitter http://twitter.com/madajerusalem - YouTube http://www.youtube.com/user/madajerusalem
[MCN-L] General photography question
Hello, all! We are in the process of deciding how we want to proceed with our professional photography. Up until now, we've mostly had our photography done on film (4x5 transparencies). Occasionally, we'll get digital photos taken, but the standard so far has been transparencies. I've heard varying opinions on the validity of film, its advantages and disadvantages, etc. and I wanted to cast a net and see if I can get a broader perspective. Has everyone gone completely digital at this point? Is anyone still using film for the majority of their photography? Are people using a combination of the two? For us, the cost is relatively equal (although the growing demand for digital images will increase our operating budget for scanning equipment if we stick with film, etc.) and there are clear preservation/migration issues either way we go. I'd love to hear any stories (good experiences and bad) that might give us a little more information before we move forward in the decision making process. Thanks, everyone! Maggie Maggie Hanson Collections Information Manager Portland Art Museum 1219 SW Park Ave. Portland, OR 97205 T: +1 503 276 4224 F: +1 503 276 4201 E: maggie.hanson at pam.org
[MCN-L] General photography question
We have gone digital. I had to change all the lights out for CFL's that are better color balanced for digital. I am still experimenting with settings, etc. On 6/28/10 9:52 AM, Maggie Hanson maggie.hanson at pam.org wrote: Hello, all! We are in the process of deciding how we want to proceed with our professional photography. Up until now, we've mostly had our photography done on film (4x5 transparencies). Occasionally, we'll get digital photos taken, but the standard so far has been transparencies. I've heard varying opinions on the validity of film, its advantages and disadvantages, etc. and I wanted to cast a net and see if I can get a broader perspective. Has everyone gone completely digital at this point? Is anyone still using film for the majority of their photography? Are people using a combination of the two? For us, the cost is relatively equal (although the growing demand for digital images will increase our operating budget for scanning equipment if we stick with film, etc.) and there are clear preservation/migration issues either way we go. I'd love to hear any stories (good experiences and bad) that might give us a little more information before we move forward in the decision making process. Thanks, everyone! Maggie Maggie Hanson Collections Information Manager Portland Art Museum 1219 SW Park Ave. Portland, OR 97205 T: +1 503 276 4224 F: +1 503 276 4201 E: maggie.hanson at pam.org ___ You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l The MCN-L archives can be found at: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ -
[MCN-L] General photography question
I would say that almost without question, even if you shoot film, the image will end up digital in the end. Either you scan it, or the designer scans it, or the printer scans it. There may be some perceived 'safety' in transparencies, but in the end it doesn't matter. Going digital adds its own series of complications related to color management and file management, but the benefits of it far out weigh the problems. Digital, when done correctly with high resolution and a color managed workflow, is definitely the way to go. Film still has a place as a fine art tool, but from a commercial and museum reproduction perspective digital is by far the better choice. -Travis On 6/28/10 12:52 PM, Maggie Hanson maggie.hanson at pam.org wrote: Hello, all! We are in the process of deciding how we want to proceed with our professional photography. Up until now, we've mostly had our photography done on film (4x5 transparencies). Occasionally, we'll get digital photos taken, but the standard so far has been transparencies. I've heard varying opinions on the validity of film, its advantages and disadvantages, etc. and I wanted to cast a net and see if I can get a broader perspective. Has everyone gone completely digital at this point? Is anyone still using film for the majority of their photography? Are people using a combination of the two? For us, the cost is relatively equal (although the growing demand for digital images will increase our operating budget for scanning equipment if we stick with film, etc.) and there are clear preservation/migration issues either way we go. I'd love to hear any stories (good experiences and bad) that might give us a little more information before we move forward in the decision making process. Thanks, everyone! Maggie Maggie Hanson Collections Information Manager Portland Art Museum 1219 SW Park Ave. Portland, OR 97205 T: +1 503 276 4224 F: +1 503 276 4201 E: maggie.hanson at pam.org ___ You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l The MCN-L archives can be found at: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/
[MCN-L] General photography question
This may be a problem for a lot of people and organization in the near future. I would say that most of the professional photographers are now working in digital format. Film is a medium that has outlived its usefulness. In addition to often being stored badly, because it costs too much to store color transparencies properly, they take up space. Digital files, while seemingly only a few gigs of storage, also have an inherent cost. The cost of the equipment to store them on, plus the migration of images from format to format as thechnolgy evolves. Just a few words on a much more involeved topic. Del Zogg Manager, Works on Paper Study Center: Collections Manager, Works on Paper + Photographs Museum of Fine Arts, Houston P.O. Box 6826 Houston, Texas 77265-6826 (713) 639-7352 (713) 639-7399 (fax) dzogg at mfah.org -Original Message- From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-boun...@mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Maggie Hanson Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 11:52 AM To: Museum Computer Network Listserv Subject: [MCN-L] General photography question Hello, all! We are in the process of deciding how we want to proceed with our professional photography. Up until now, we've mostly had our photography done on film (4x5 transparencies). Occasionally, we'll get digital photos taken, but the standard so far has been transparencies. I've heard varying opinions on the validity of film, its advantages and disadvantages, etc. and I wanted to cast a net and see if I can get a broader perspective. Has everyone gone completely digital at this point? Is anyone still using film for the majority of their photography? Are people using a combination of the two? For us, the cost is relatively equal (although the growing demand for digital images will increase our operating budget for scanning equipment if we stick with film, etc.) and there are clear preservation/migration issues either way we go. I'd love to hear any stories (good experiences and bad) that might give us a little more information before we move forward in the decision making process. Thanks, everyone! Maggie Maggie Hanson Collections Information Manager Portland Art Museum 1219 SW Park Ave. Portland, OR 97205 T: +1 503 276 4224 F: +1 503 276 4201 E: maggie.hanson at pam.org ___ You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l The MCN-L archives can be found at: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/
[MCN-L] General photography question
Check out this link: http://artimaging.rit.edu/research/ Lots of useful information on digital imaging within museums. -Natalie Natalie Russo Photography Consulting (646) 232-9623 nrusso23 at gmail.com On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Maggie Hanson maggie.hanson at pam.orgwrote: Hello, all! We are in the process of deciding how we want to proceed with our professional photography. Up until now, we've mostly had our photography done on film (4x5 transparencies). Occasionally, we'll get digital photos taken, but the standard so far has been transparencies. I've heard varying opinions on the validity of film, its advantages and disadvantages, etc. and I wanted to cast a net and see if I can get a broader perspective. Has everyone gone completely digital at this point? Is anyone still using film for the majority of their photography? Are people using a combination of the two? For us, the cost is relatively equal (although the growing demand for digital images will increase our operating budget for scanning equipment if we stick with film, etc.) and there are clear preservation/migration issues either way we go. I'd love to hear any stories (good experiences and bad) that might give us a little more information before we move forward in the decision making process. Thanks, everyone! Maggie Maggie Hanson Collections Information Manager Portland Art Museum 1219 SW Park Ave. Portland, OR 97205 T: +1 503 276 4224 F: +1 503 276 4201 E: maggie.hanson at pam.org ___ You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l The MCN-L archives can be found at: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/
[MCN-L] General photography question
Hi Maggie, I agree with Del, in fact some of the photographers I work with no longer offer 4x5 as an option, due to the expense and difficulty of getting the film. If possible I have found that it is really helpful to setup a laptop to look at the images while they are being shot. We did this on the last big publication project I worked on, and noticed some pretty strong color differences while shooting between the digital image and the actual work. The photographer was able to color correct on site while looking at the work in front of him. The result was the most color accurate publication I had worked on to date, much better than some past projects that came from scans of 4x5s. Regards, Faith Faith McClellan, Registrar Grounds For Sculpture 609 586-0616 ext. 18 Cell:609 209-7170 18 Fairgrounds Road, Hamilton, NJ 08619 fmcclellan at groundsforsculpture.org www.groundsforsculpture.org http://ebrochure.hawthornpublications.com/go/groundsforsculpture -Original Message- From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-boun...@mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Zogg, Del Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 1:16 PM To: Museum Computer Network Listserv Subject: Re: [MCN-L] General photography question This may be a problem for a lot of people and organization in the near future. I would say that most of the professional photographers are now working in digital format. Film is a medium that has outlived its usefulness. In addition to often being stored badly, because it costs too much to store color transparencies properly, they take up space. Digital files, while seemingly only a few gigs of storage, also have an inherent cost. The cost of the equipment to store them on, plus the migration of images from format to format as thechnolgy evolves. Just a few words on a much more involeved topic. Del Zogg Manager, Works on Paper Study Center: Collections Manager, Works on Paper + Photographs Museum of Fine Arts, Houston P.O. Box 6826 Houston, Texas 77265-6826 (713) 639-7352 (713) 639-7399 (fax) dzogg at mfah.org -Original Message- From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-boun...@mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Maggie Hanson Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 11:52 AM To: Museum Computer Network Listserv Subject: [MCN-L] General photography question Hello, all! We are in the process of deciding how we want to proceed with our professional photography. Up until now, we've mostly had our photography done on film (4x5 transparencies). Occasionally, we'll get digital photos taken, but the standard so far has been transparencies. I've heard varying opinions on the validity of film, its advantages and disadvantages, etc. and I wanted to cast a net and see if I can get a broader perspective. Has everyone gone completely digital at this point? Is anyone still using film for the majority of their photography? Are people using a combination of the two? For us, the cost is relatively equal (although the growing demand for digital images will increase our operating budget for scanning equipment if we stick with film, etc.) and there are clear preservation/migration issues either way we go. I'd love to hear any stories (good experiences and bad) that might give us a little more information before we move forward in the decision making process. Thanks, everyone! Maggie Maggie Hanson Collections Information Manager Portland Art Museum 1219 SW Park Ave. Portland, OR 97205 T: +1 503 276 4224 F: +1 503 276 4201 E: maggie.hanson at pam.org ___ You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l The MCN-L archives can be found at: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ ___ You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l The MCN-L archives can be found at: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
[MCN-L] General photography question
Del: I can attest to the photo lab problem in smaller markets. We've been using a local lab for the 28 years I've been at the Museum of CT History here in Hartford. They just went out of business two weeks ago--a second-generation business founded in 1944. The owners had gradually added digital processing as the technology got better, but decided that there was no future even in that, since everyone can now be their own digital image processor and the orders for film processing, blow-ups, mounting, etc. had been gradually declining. Even having state contracts wasn't enough, since state agencies have been restricted from spending any money except on essential items for the last 18 months. We've never had on-site processing capacity, and are now doing more and more digital work, primarily for collections documentation. Dave Corrigan, Museum Curator Museum of CT History CT State Library Hartford, CT Zogg, Del dzogg at mfah.org 6/28/2010 2:52 PM Frank, While I agree that digital things need storage concerns, I disagree with you that 4x5 transparencies will last decades. We have examples of 4x5 that were shot in the 1990s that already display a color shift. Transparencies are complex little beasts with layer upon layer of chemicals, some more stable than others, that when all is said and done are dye based images. Dyes are fugu=itive and subject to atmospheric and chemical deterioration. Ours were kept in general museum/office environment of 70 degrees F and 50% humidity. Monitoring and evaluation on a regular basis, of digital files, is the best way to go. These files, if shot accordingly, can be used, exited, etc. for a variety of purposes, from publication to image identification in your cataloguing database. Sadly, film is on its way out for professional photographers. Not only are the quality and types of films available decreasing, but the professional labs to process them are decreasing in rapid order. It is difficult in a major city like Houston to find a professional lab, I can only imagine what it might be like in a smaller market. Del Zogg MFAH -Original Message- From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-boun...@mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Frank E. Thomson Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 1:34 PM To: Museum Computer Network Listserv Subject: Re: [MCN-L] General photography question A good professional photographer will still offer 4x5. While storage of transparencies are important, museum standard environment is not bad for storing film. A good 4x5 is going to give you much better resolution that most digital images, though you can find people working with a 4x5 camera and a digital back. Remember, properly stored we know that 4x5 will last decades. Do you know how long that digital image will last without monitoring, backups and migration? And how many images did we do digitally 5 years ago that we want to reshoot now? I don't know there is a good answer to this issue, cost vs longevity, convenience vs resolution. Frank Thomson, Curator Asheville Art Museum PO Box 1717 Asheville, NC 28802 828.253.3227 fthomson at ashevilleart.org www.ashevilleart.org -Original Message- From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-boun...@mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Maggie Hanson Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 2:27 PM To: Museum Computer Network Listserv Subject: Re: [MCN-L] General photography question Thanks, everyone! All of this input is so appreciated! -Original Message- From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-boun...@mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Faith McClellan Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 10:45 AM To: Museum Computer Network Listserv Subject: Re: [MCN-L] General photography question Hi Maggie, I agree with Del, in fact some of the photographers I work with no longer offer 4x5 as an option, due to the expense and difficulty of getting the film. If possible I have found that it is really helpful to setup a laptop to look at the images while they are being shot. We did this on the last big publication project I worked on, and noticed some pretty strong color differences while shooting between the digital image and the actual work. The photographer was able to color correct on site while looking at the work in front of him. The result was the most color accurate publication I had worked on to date, much better than some past projects that came from scans of 4x5s. Regards, Faith Faith McClellan, Registrar Grounds For Sculpture 609 586-0616 ext. 18 Cell:609 209-7170 18 Fairgrounds Road, Hamilton, NJ 08619 fmcclellan at groundsforsculpture.org www.groundsforsculpture.org http://ebrochure.hawthornpublications.com/go/groundsforsculpture -Original Message- From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-boun...@mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Zogg, Del Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 1:16 PM To: Museum Computer Network Listserv Subject: Re: [MCN-L] General photography question This may be a problem for a lot of people and organization in the near future. I
