Re: MD: md-l-mimedigest V2 #706

2000-08-10 Thread Roger Preston


 (1) What kind of microphone is typically accepted by minidisc recorders
 ie. what input impedance ?
Had problem sorting this out myself. I have a Sharp MD-MT16 which uses
an electret microphone. These require a small DC voltage (say 4.5v) to
work. The Sharp provides this so I bought two capsules from Maplin
(about £3 each) and wired them in. As to working, they are fine for
conversation in the pub, OK for steam trains, aircraft, nightingales
etc. As another correspondent warns, use a reasonable length of cable
otherwise a faint whirring sound will appear every few seconds.

Roger


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RE: MD: MDX-C670RDS manual?

2000-08-10 Thread Francisco J. Montilla


On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Victor Bouch wrote:

Hi,

 I was just wondering if anyone ever responded with a manual for you. I too
 would like a copy so if you did receive one, would you mind forwarding it to
 me.

Yes, a kind german soul sent me a scan, I'll send it to you as
soon as I come back home, and will fw it (I guess I did) to Eric to put it
on the web.

BTW, it's a way wonderful sounding head unit, I prefer it *a lot
more* than the new 2000 models (I have one MDX-C6500RX too). 

 -I've browsed and searched trhough this list archives 
 - before buying
 - MD equipment; both this list and the minidisc.org are great!
 - 
 -I have been offered a used MDX-C670RDS at a reasonable (very)
 - price, but problem is there's no user manual. I know it will be
 - relatively easy to operate it, but I'm a RTFM maniac, and 
 - also would like
 - to know about wired remote compatibility, possible add-ons 
 - (CD-Chargers,
 - et al).

greets,

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Re: MD: md-l-digest V2 #707

2000-08-10 Thread James Jarvie


 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:07:00 -0400
 From: "Peter Forest" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Since I'm a quite old
 now, nearly 40 years old,
 I'm in love with old song of '70, '80 and some from
 the '90... They are more
 easy to find on MP3 

Now wait a minute.  If you're old at 40, then what am
I?  I turned 45 on the day you wrote this.

Now I am trying to get recordings of songs from the
late '60s and early '70s (for my compilations discs)
that I can't find.  Can anyone point me to a place
where I can find them?  Two examples: "Will You Be
Staying after Sunday" by The Peppermint Rainbow.  I
couldn't find this anywhere, so I bought a compilation
disc and didn't like any of the other songs on it. 
Also, "My Pledge of Love" by the Joe Jeffrey Group
(again, I bought a compilation disc just for this one
song - at least it was cheaper).  Still looking for
"Just Dropped in to See What Conidition My Condition
Was In" by Kenny Rogers and The First Edition
(available on a Hits CD, but I don't like anything
else  on the disc - won't buy another disc just for
one song).

Anyway, I don't do much with MP3 because a) I don't
have the time, and b) I haven't found anything that I
have been looking for.  If I find the time, I moght
use it to sample some jazz recordings to determine
which CDs I want to buy next.

Thanks,

James

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MD: Jecklin Disk and Schneider Disk information

2000-08-10 Thread Len Moskowitz


Just wanted to let folks know that we've posted a new Web page
describing our new Jecklin Disk and Schneider Disk microphone mounts.


Len Moskowitz Stealth Microphones (tm), Cables, Interfaces
Core Soundhttp://www.stealthmicrophones.com
Teaneck, New Jersey   http://www.core-sound.com
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MD: MD on MP3.com

2000-08-10 Thread Churchill, Guy


As the subject states, there is references (links)
to MD equip on MP3.com.  See http://hardware.mp3.com/hardware/

Looks like even the MP3 people consider MD archival
for MP3's as a viable option.

CheersGC

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Re: MD: Sharp MS-722

2000-08-10 Thread D. Frakes


For the most part I love my 722, though it is
somewhat fragile, physically. Esp the eject
lever and mechanism. I've had it since Dec
and never see a UOTC error.

The irony here is that most people consider the Sharp
700-series to be among the sturdiest, least fragile
designs out there, *especially* the eject lever and
mechanism ;-)

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Re: MD: Sharp MS-722

2000-08-10 Thread las



 The irony here is that most people consider the Sharp
 700-series to be among the sturdiest, least fragile
 designs out there, *especially* the eject lever and
 mechanism ;-)


The Sharp 702 was probably the most unreliable portable mini disc
recorder ever made.  When I was helping sell MD gear on the net the
return rate was as high as fifty 50%!  What's more, sometimes we would
send out several replacements and the buyer still didn't get a unit that
worked properly.

When the 722 came out, we upgraded dozens of 702 to the 722 charging
only the difference in price.  The supplier in Japan was very good about
taking back all of those units.  I think that Sharp repackaged them and
sold them to Frys g.

Larry

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Re: MD: Sharp MS-722

2000-08-10 Thread las


 The irony here is that most people consider the Sharp
 700-series to be among the sturdiest, least fragile
 designs out there, *especially* the eject lever and
 mechanism ;-)


Oh I wanted to add, the disappoint with the 702 was particularly
unexpected because we had such excellent reliability with the Sharp
MS200 and the Denon 70 clone.  I still have the Denon myself.  Aside
from a tiny crack in the LCD display (probably caused by dropping the
unit) it is still in great shape.

I doubt that the sound quality ot the 702 is any better then the MS200
was.  The only thing wrong with the 200 was the remote.  It cost about
$65 to replace the sparse remote that came with the unit with an LCD
(unfortunately not back lit) remote.  But that remote is the only one
that I have ever seen that is made out of metal, not plastic poorly
painted silver to try and look like metal.

They also seemed to have more accessories available for the MS100/200.
There was a car kit that had a mount and the unit snapped into it (I
still have one but never used it).  The other thing, if you were not
that concerned with the unit being microscopic and weighing one ounce,
it came with an external battery holder that the recorder sat on (also
by quick disconnect, like the auto mount-but you couldn't use the auto
mount and connect the battery pack since the recorder sat in the same
place on either.  If you wanted to use the battery pack too, it would
just sit there loose).

The thing about the older Sharps was that the battery pack held SIX AA
batteries.  If you used this external pack with the newer units, they
would probably have a play time of 100 hours G.

I have an Aiwa F70.  I really haven't used it that much.  Until the
other day, I had only used it connected to a portable Sony CD player in
the sync mode.  I realized that I don't even know how use the editing
functions on it!  Have to go to the community page and download the
manual.

Larry

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MD: ATRAC 3 FAQs

2000-08-10 Thread las


After reading the FAQs, I'm not very impressed with Atrac 3.  I would say
from the description that is sounds lousy.  Digital artifacts that you can
hear?

Just how important is the bit rate?  I never realized that ATRAC used a bit
rate of almost 300!  I have downloaded Mp3s in several different bit rates
and really didn't hear a difference.

The high bit rates seemed to double the file size but did nothing to improve
the sound quality.  The lower bit rate (like 64-which I sometimes had to use
because it was the only way I could find the song I wanted) sounded the same
too.

So if you reduced the bit rate of an MD player to 64 you should be able to
ge about 5.6 hours of music on an MD without having to resort to all of the
drastic things done with Atrac 2 and 3.

If you are going to copy Mp3 files to Atrac 3 with all of that compression
and manipulation, the end result is likely to sound like sh!t.

I really know very little about the effect of the bit rate on the sound
quality, only what I heard using Mp3s.  So if someone knowledgeable in this
area has more to say on the matter, I am very interested in learning about
it.

Larry



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Re: MD: Sharp MS-722

2000-08-10 Thread Stainless Steel Rat


* las [EMAIL PROTECTED]  on Thu, 10 Aug 2000
| The Sharp 702 was probably the most unreliable portable mini disc
| recorder ever made.  When I was helping sell MD gear on the net the
| return rate was as high as fifty 50%!

50% DOA rate?  All of this seems more likely that the shipper you used
mishandled the units than anything else.
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Re: MD: ATRAC 3 FAQs

2000-08-10 Thread PrinceGaz


From: "las" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 After reading the FAQs, I'm not very impressed with Atrac 3.  I would say
 from the description that is sounds lousy.  Digital artifacts that you can
 hear?

First off it's probably best if we all call it ATRAC3 - without the space to
differentiate it from ATRAC 3 (the algorithm used in 3rd generation Sony
units like the MZ-R3).  There are peeps that claim to be able to tell the
difference between standard MD and CD, dunno if they are using an R-Type
decoder for the MD but personally I'd be hard pushed to differentiate tween
ATRAC 4.5 and CD.

 Just how important is the bit rate?  I never realized that ATRAC used a bit
 rate of almost 300!  I have downloaded Mp3s in several different bit rates
 and really didn't hear a difference.

At bitrates of about 192kbps and above, you'll need a decent setup to "hear
the artifacts", assuming with mp3 you used one of the good encoders (the
Fraunhoffer one seems to be considered the best all round coder).  If youre
just encoding to listen while on the move 128kbps will be fine or if space
is at a premium, like on naff MP3 porties, you could get away with 96 or even
64kbps, though 64kbps may only be adequate for journeys in a noisy bus or
busy streets :-)

 The high bit rates seemed to double the file size but did nothing to improve
 the sound quality.  The lower bit rate (like 64-which I sometimes had to use
 because it was the only way I could find the song I wanted) sounded the same
 too.

I'm tempted to ask just what you are playing, and what you are playing it
through.  Perhaps really rare old recordings, mono, encoded at 64kbps with
joint-L/R (just like how ATRAC3 LP4 uses joint-L/R) will sound okay-- being
a mono source, I *guess* the joint channel encoding will allow an effective
bitrate of near 128kbps, if anyone knows better please correct me.

 So if you reduced the bit rate of an MD player to 64 you should be able to
 ge about 5.6 hours of music on an MD without having to resort to all of the
 drastic things done with Atrac 2 and 3.

Personally I would expect ATRAC3 to sound better than present MP3 encoders
at each bitrate.  Why?  Because Sony et al can put massive RD resources into
the algorithm compared to most companies involved with developing MP3 coders.
With LP4 and an 80min disc, you will be able to get 5hrs 24mins (nearly) of
music at 66kbps.  I must admit I too am amazed at Sony's lack of foresight in
not having bytes "reserved for future use" and that they literally throw away
10% of the disc space in both LP modes.

 If you are going to copy Mp3 files to Atrac 3 with all of that compression
 and manipulation, the end result is likely to sound like sh!t.

If you're gonna take a 64kbps MP3 and stick it on a MD in ATRAC3 LP4, I would
guess most of the damage had been done in the MP3 encoding, sticking it thro'
the ATRAC3 LP4 encoder won't help but probably won't harm too much.

 I really know very little about the effect of the bit rate on the sound
 quality, only what I heard using Mp3s.  So if someone knowledgeable in this
 area has more to say on the matter, I am very interested in learning about
 it.
 Larry

To be honest I'm more or less replying on what seems logical, not so much
on actual training in the complicated field of lossy data-compression.  So if
most of what I've said above is total rubbish, please correct me as I'd much
rather learn the facts than live in ignorance!

Yours,
PrinceGaz.


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Re: MD: Sharp MS-722

2000-08-10 Thread las


 50% DOA rate?  All of this seems more likely that the shipper you used
 mishandled the units than anything else.

Where did you see DOA??  Most of these units lasted a few weeks.  This had
nothing to do with shipping problems.  This had to do with sh!t quality control
on the part of Sharp.  Even if they were DOA.  They shipped dozens of units a
months of all brand as well as player only units.

The only ones that ever came back in mass were the 702s.  The Sonys, Aiwa,
everything else was fine.  In the entire time that this person had this business
while the MS200s and Denon clones (I think that the Denon actually had a better
looking case, yet they cost a little less) they got maybe one back.

Larry


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Re: MD: ATRAC 3 FAQs

2000-08-10 Thread las


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At bitrates of about 192kbps and above, you'll need a decent setup to "hear
the artifacts", assuming with mp3 you used one of the good encoders (the
Fraunhoffer one seems to be considered the best all round coder).

I don't use a decoder (although there has to be one in the unit I guess), I use an
Apex DVD player to play Mp3.  The trick to the Apex is that the drive in it is
actually a computer IDE drive.

That was a pretty smart move.  A regular DVD player uses "standard" DVD drive.
The equivalent of a plain CD player.  But if you put a DVD ROM drive in you will
have the advantages of being about to play MP3 files as well as regular CDs and
DVDs.

You can also use it for CDVs (not sure if I got that letters right).  You can rip
these from DVDs using a DVD ROM drive, CD writer and the right software.  I
understand that it is a long process and hard to master.

I'm told what you end up with is a CD that is about equal to the quality of a VHS
tape.  Hardly seems worth it.  The only reason it will work on a computer is that
DVD ROM drives and CD writers do not have Macrovision, since in theory they are
being used for data.

Larry

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