Re: MD: Dataplay (small 500MB *multipurpose* discs) vs. MD
Hi, the 3" CD-R isn't really new in Japan. I believe it's been around for some time - I've seen Japanese personal web pages on burning 3" CD-Rs from last year. Put it in an CD-single adaptor, and (at least) some CD-R drives will burn just as usual. The MD disc was originally going to be the size of the 3" CD, but shrunk further to bring it close to the dimensions of a cassette. Like with the CD, Sony's size decision was made with regards to existing "spaces" (CD fits in the "1DIN" European size dashboard stereo space). On the other hand, Sony is involved in a 5cm (about 2"?) diameter MO disc: http://www.world.sony.com/News/Press/23/00-0323/ One way to see this is that Sony doesn't see MD/MDdata as adequate for a storage medium. It could really be the format's specifications that's limiting progress. Or you can say Sony's just doing what they've always done. They're also being indecisive between large LCD panels and plasma display. ;) Leon I just checked out the Dataplay web page (www.dataplay.com). They are pushing a new write-once, US $5.00-10.00 disc that looks like a 2/3 size MD (to be available early 2001). They say it'll be used in cameras, mp3 players, computers, game devices, phones, etc. It looks great, but I have a basic question: Why hasn't this been done already with MD's? There is a high-capacity version, right? Is the write speed to slow? And why did SONY make their new Mavica use an entirely new 3-inch CD-R? The capacity is approximately the same as a standard MD -- and the CD-R is even a little larger, I think. The write speed can't be faster than an MD (both generally go up to 4X (600kpbs). What's the advantage of the CD-R? MD's are re-writable so many times, and can be made un-eraseable simply by moving the write-protect tab. I really hope to see these portable storage options expand from the current very expensive flash memory, but I'm left wondering about MD-sized MO discs. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MZ-R50 Performance
For all who are bent on comparisons . . . FWIW, I've owned 2 Sony MZ-R50s. I bought the first one at a Best Buy in Chicago in the summer of 1998 (without the help of the ignorant sales staff). I saw it, I'd been wanting a MiniDisc player/recorder for a long time to record lectures at med school (the 74min discs recording in mono are great for this), it looked cool, so I bought it, not realizing what a great unit it would be. Unfortunately, it was stolen by some lowlife earlier this summer (at school, no less). I was so pleased with it that I hunted high and low until I found another one. Unfortunately, it has the later OS (or whatever you call it) so I couldn't turn off the SCMS restrictions like I did my earlier one :-( This second unit has also performed flawlessly. Recording time has never been an issue (I keep the aux power unit handy, but rarely need it, except for a full day's lectures, ~8hr). The battery has only died once since I've owned both units. The thing is built like a TANK, as the first one was dropped a couple of times while biking (no skips, only minor cosmetic damage). The editing controls are straightforward (on smaller units they seem rather fiddly to use) and I don't quite get the End Search gripe everyone has (maybe I don't record often enough with it). I get raves every time I pull it out to record a lecture . . . I've recommended it to anyone who asks me who is new to the advantages of MD and wants to buy a "starter" player/recorder with no complaints. Just my two cents' worth . . . Frank Sanchez - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Recoton cables (was: cheaper optical cables)
You guys gotta start checking the auctions more :-) I just won a 3 foot (~1 meter) Recoton cable from yahoo auctions (auctions.yahoo.com) for 9.99! I started bidding on it before this subject came up, i saw the picture of it, with the supplied adapters and thought "cool! now i dont need to spend $30+ on 2 different cables (i have need of miniplug to miniplug and toslink to miniplug) just do a search for "optical digital" or "toslink" or "recoton" on ebay or yahoo and im sure youll find something eli - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Mavica CD-R
And why did SONY make their new Mavica use an entirely new 3-inch CD-R? The capacity is approximately the same as a standard MD -- and the CD-R is even a little larger, I think. The write speed can't be faster than an MD (both generally go up to 4X (600kpbs). What's the advantage of the CD-R? MD's are re-writable so many times, and can be made un-eraseable simply by moving the write-protect tab. Are you forgetting that *EVERYONE* has a CD player? ALL cd drives (except for slot loading ones, which are mosly used in cars) will accept the 3" CD. originally, when the CD format was created, there were standards for 2 different types of CDs - the current, 5" ones, and 3" ones. if you'll open your computers CD-ROM drive, youll see that there is an indentation on the tray, for reading of the smaller CDs eli - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MZ-R50 Performance
Francisco José Sánchez wrote: For all who are bent on comparisons . . . FWIW, I've owned 2 Sony MZ-R50s. I bought the first one at a Best Buy in Chicago in the summer of 1998 (without the help of the ignorant sales staff). I saw it, I'd been wanting a MiniDisc player/recorder for a long time to record lectures at med school (the 74min discs recording in mono are great for this), it looked cool, so I bought it, not realizing what a great unit it would be. Yes, you get 148 minutes! Unfortunately, it was stolen by some lowlife earlier this summer (at school, no less). Hee, hee. That reminds me of my days at dental college. In of of my life I never saw a place were more things were stolen then there. Dental students are notorious for stealing each others equipment and supplies! Makes me feel a little better that it is not limited to dental physicians, but seems to be endemic to the entire medical profession. The thing is built like a TANK, as the first one was dropped a couple of times while biking (no skips, only minor cosmetic damage). As them made the newer models (all of the companies) the major "improvement" was size and some bells and whistles like a back lit LCD and remote. But the durability is not as good. I have a Denon 70 (Sharp MS200 clone). It's smaller then a cassette walkman, but not as tiny as the new units. But I have dropped it several times and it still works just fine. The Japanese are very big on miniaturization. You could use the dumb racist line abut them being small (I'm not Japanese and I'm only 5'6" so I even if I was dumb enough to stereotype people, height is one thing I would stay away from). But there are some Japanese people that have VERY big, just like there are big in small people in most races. I think that aside from things that I may not be aware of, space is at a premium in Japan. Many people, even though they have very good paying jobs still live in would would be considered by American standards a small apartment or if they are luck a small house. So people living in Japan (actually, although most people living in Japan are Japanese, I think that it would apply to anyone permanently living in Japan) think high quality, small size. It seems to me that the basic history of Japanese manufacturing used to be, "you give us the plans and we will make it better, smaller and less expensive". Many of the really high tech developments are not strictly Japanese, even if we tend to associate an item with Japan. The Japanese are great improvers not necessarily great innovators. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that there aren't many concepts that were strictly Japanese from start to finish. But most have their roots in other countries. The compact cassette, in spite of Sony's association with it and the popularity of their term "Walkman" was developed by Phillips of the Netherlands (I think they just call themselves Phillips now). I'm not sure of the roots of Magneto Optical recording, but I'll bet it originated outside of Japan. Video tape is not a Japanese invention. But in each case they did manage to make it better and smaller. It used to be less expensive too. But lately if you have looked at the price of Japanese cars, you realize that less expensive isn't always a Japanese qualification for improvement. Just my 3 cents Have a great day, Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MZ-R50 Performance
I've only owned one R50 and apart from breaking the remote while biking, I haven't had a single problem with it. Being a recent buy, I never had one that could disable SCMS, but I don't have the need to just yet since I don't have any other MD equipment. I broke the remote during a biking accident, but other than that I've never had a problem with the unit itself. After I wiped out with it I was surprised that it didn't even skip in sympathy for my bleeding leg! I bought the R50 after doing a lot of research and comparisons between the various models, but before discovering this mailing list. The main things that appealed to me about it were the jog dial for titling and the size. There were smaller models (like the R55) when I bought mine, but I avoided those for the same reason I avoid the really small cell phones - I'd probably end up losing it or something! I find the size to be a perfect for a jacket or pants pocket and the remote fits perfectly on my backpack right above the length adjuster for the shoulder strap. Does Sony still make the R50? Or has it been discontinued in favor of the insanely small R90/91? -- Dave Kimmel [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 5615049 On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, Francisco [iso-8859-1] José[iso-8859-1] Sánchez wrote: For all who are bent on comparisons . . . FWIW, I've owned 2 Sony MZ-R50s. I bought the first one at a Best Buy in Chicago in the summer of 1998 (without the help of the ignorant sales staff). I saw it, I'd been wanting a MiniDisc player/recorder for a long time to record lectures at med school (the 74min discs recording in mono are great for this), it looked cool, so I bought it, not realizing what a great unit it would be. Unfortunately, it was stolen by some lowlife earlier this summer (at school, no less). I was so pleased with it that I hunted high and low until I found another one. Unfortunately, it has the later OS (or whatever you call it) so I couldn't turn off the SCMS restrictions like I did my earlier one :-( This second unit has also performed flawlessly. Recording time has never been an issue (I keep the aux power unit handy, but rarely need it, except for a full day's lectures, ~8hr). The battery has only died once since I've owned both units. The thing is built like a TANK, as the first one was dropped a couple of times while biking (no skips, only minor cosmetic damage). The editing controls are straightforward (on smaller units they seem rather fiddly to use) and I don't quite get the End Search gripe everyone has (maybe I don't record often enough with it). I get raves every time I pull it out to record a lecture . . . I've recommended it to anyone who asks me who is new to the advantages of MD and wants to buy a "starter" player/recorder with no complaints. Just my two cents' worth . . . Frank Sanchez - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Mavica CD-R
The Sony camera comes with an adapter to hold the 3" CDR to be used in slot-in type cd-rom. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 1:29 PM Subject: Re: MD: Mavica CD-R And why did SONY make their new Mavica use an entirely new 3-inch CD-R? The capacity is approximately the same as a standard MD -- and the CD-R is even a little larger, I think. The write speed can't be faster than an MD (both generally go up to 4X (600kpbs). What's the advantage of the CD-R? MD's are re-writable so many times, and can be made un-eraseable simply by moving the write-protect tab. Are you forgetting that *EVERYONE* has a CD player? ALL cd drives (except for slot loading ones, which are mosly used in cars) will accept the 3" CD. originally, when the CD format was created, there were standards for 2 different types of CDs - the current, 5" ones, and 3" ones. if you'll open your computers CD-ROM drive, youll see that there is an indentation on the tray, for reading of the smaller CDs eli - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Sony MZ-R50
It seems like the MZ-R50 is becaming more popular on the list. :) Anyway, local Nobody Beats The Wiz store in Norwalk, CT (about an hour drive from New York) has a lot of MD portables. They have MZ-R50 for $250, Aiwa F-70 for $230 as well as all the current models. Until recently they were still selling one of the older Kenwood models for $400. Just recently they finally got rid of Sony ZS-M1 (or whatever) MD boombox. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Mavica CD-R
On 13-08-2000 21:23, Taky Cheung wrote: And why did SONY make their new Mavica use an entirely new 3-inch CD-R? The capacity is approximately the same as a standard MD -- and the CD-R is even a little larger, I think. The write speed can't be faster than an MD (both generally go up to 4X (600kpbs). What's the advantage of the CD-R? MD's are re-writable so many times, and can be made un-eraseable simply by moving the write-protect tab. Are you forgetting that *EVERYONE* has a CD player? ALL cd drives (except for slot loading ones, which are mosly used in cars) will accept the 3" CD. originally, when the CD format was created, there were standards for 2 different types of CDs - the current, 5" ones, and 3" ones. if you'll open your computers CD-ROM drive, youll see that there is an indentation on the tray, for reading of the smaller CDs eli The Sony camera comes with an adapter to hold the 3" CDR to be used in slot-in type cd-rom. Don't know about any other slot-loading CD-ROM drives, but the ones in iMacs can accept 3" CD's without any sort of adapter. ,xtG .tsooJ -- Joost van de Griek Applications Developer Yacht ICT http://www.yachtgroup.com/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: cheaper optical cables
I bought some Recoton TOSlink cables at Best Buy a few months ago. They are very flexable and work great. The only thing that might be a problem is that the TOSlink connectors are rather large; they just barely fit the side-by-side jacks on the DIO2448... - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MiniDisc Weekly News for 13 August 2000
MiniDisc Community Pages News for 8 August 2000 o Glen Wintringham points out Japanese announcements for Onkyo's MD LP [1]Intec 155 and [2]FR-S77/V77 bookshelf systems. He also finds English PDF manuals for the Onkyo [3]MD-2321 and [4]MD-185X decks. [1] http://www.onkyo.co.jp/what/newsrelease/intec155_nr.htm [2] http://www.onkyo.co.jp/what/newsrelease/fr-s77_nr.htm [3] http://www.onkyo.co.jp/www_e/manual/english/md2321_e.pdf [4] http://www.onkyo.co.jp/www_e/manual/english/md185x_e.pdf o In the [5]machine translation of Sony's MXD-D5C announcement, they note that CD-MDLP dubbing runs at 2X (vs. 4X for normal CD-MD dubbing) and that Type-R mode (for ``Recursive''?) is not available in LP mode or when high-speed dubbing. [5] http://www.minidisc.org/MXD-D5C_translation.htm o Zarlingo, Ho and Davich (sounds like a few lawyers!) point out that Target (a US, mass market discount retailer) is now carrying MD gear (Sony MZ-R70PC) and Memorex blanks. o Planet Minidisc notes that they too carry the [6]Xitel MDPort-DG1 USB to TOSlink audio adapter. [6] http://store.yahoo.com/planetminidisc/mdport-dg1.html o F. Reitano finds a further [7]MinidiscNow footnote. If you've lost money with them, now's the time to make contact about receiving a refund (do "cc" the FTC). [7] http://www.ftc.gov/os/2000/07/minidisccmp.htm MiniDisc Community Pages News for 9 August 2000 o The Korean MD page posts a bevy of [1]Panasonic SJ-MR200 snapshots, including a [2]touch-panel closeup shot. Anyone knowing how well the touch panel really works is invited to [3]report in. [1] http://minidisc.co.kr/md/mdr/pana/mr200/ [2] http://minidisc.co.kr/md/mdr/pana/mr200/mr200_3.jpg [3] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] o Sony gives a polite and, [4]ultimately hopeful reply to the End Search petition. Thank you all again for your help! [4] http://www.minidisc.org/sony_endsearch_reply.html o Stefan Zimmer has [5]MD-Cover software for Deja MD Cover. [5] http://www.zone-24113.purespace.de/ o Minidisco has a [6]garage sale page. [6] http://www.minidisco.com/miniordergarage.html MiniDisc Community Pages News for 10 August 2000 o Crish Mariathas forwards a photo from Josh Pelland (who's ordering the unit from [1]Audiodirect ) of [2]Aiwa's AM-HX70 player, with 67 hour battery life (NiMH+AAx1(?)). [1] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [2] http://www.minidisc.org/aiwa_hx70_package.jpg o Core-Sound now offers [3]Jecklin and Schneider foam discs (along with an interesting [4]technical note covering them ) for making more lifelike stereo recordings by modeling the human head-transfer-function. Sticker-shock warning: the prices appear to have foam in them as well. [3] http://www.core-sound.com/jecklin.html [4] http://www.josephson.com/tn5.html MiniDisc Community Pages News for 11 August 2000 o [1]Repair QA #4 from David Popovits, in which he examines [2]what makes the MZ-R50 a gem. [1] http://www.minidisc.org/repair_q4.html [2] http://www.minidisc.org/repair_q4.html#mzr50 MiniDisc Community Pages News for 12 August 2000 o Feeling overwhelmed by the 30-60 min. audio capacity of today's solid state players? Fabian La Maestra points out [1]HitClips MicroMusic, a product for pre-teens that stores a single minute of audio on a chip. [1] http://www.zdtv.com/zdtv/freshgear/products/story/0,3679,2464987,00.html MiniDisc Community Pages News for 13 August 2000 o MD competition? Ilwoong Pyo points out the [1]MET 8cm CD/MP3 player, though not tiny (98x93x23mm), nor particuarly long playing (4 hours battery life) it does offer 3-6 hours of MP3 audio capacity on cheap mini-CD media. (No price or production info given, unit is not a recorder). [1] http://www.met.com.tw/eng/products/mp3.htm o Blast from the past: The Korean MD page adds snapshots with (huge) closeups of the old (ca. 1995) [2]Sony MZ-R3 and [3]Aiwa AM-F3 portable recorders. [2] http://minidisc.co.kr/md/mdr/sony/r3 [3] http://minidisc.co.kr/md/mdr/aiwa/f3 o Pining for an MZ-R50? Erwin Lee points out that they're still [4]available new from Vocalinks for US$380 (!). [5]Ebay has several as well, at more reasonable prices. [4] http://www.vocalinks.com/Products/Mobile/Sony_MZ-R50/sony_mz-r50.html [5] http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResultht=1SortProperty=MetaEndSortquery=minidisc+r50x=15y=14 Our MiniDiscs are better than their MiniDiscs. Really. Okay, they're the same. But we're really nice! http://www.minidisco.com/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word
RE: MD: Dataplay (small 500MB *multipurpose* discs) vs. MD
I have seen the Dataplay discs and they are pretty well thought out. My biggest complaint being that they are industry friendly, not consumer friendly. As for why MD was never pushed that wayThat's Sony for you. On the technical side. MD can be written to at a present max of 2x in CDR terms (300kbps) but that is the raw figure. When you take into consideration the compression of the input data (audio) it has a subjective speed of upto 8x. The current system heads only support 1x raw/4x subjective. That is becuase MD is optimagnetic-rewritable (because it is magnetically written [modulated] actually). So the Mavica was designed to use CDR becuase CDR can easily record at 8x raw speed. Hope This Helps, RJ Kirkland - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: off topic, sorry
=== The original message was multipart MIME=== === All non-text parts (attachments) have been removed === All right being a MD fan like the everyone else here, i got a kick out = of what i saw tonight. MD being more popular in asia than here in the = US is a simple fact. but the amount of Hello Kitty stuff available for = MD is very very popular over in asia also. anyway tonight i was channel = surfing and i guess McDonalds is offering Hello Kitty stuff with their = happy meals. who knows what they will offer next, maybe britney spears = pre-recorded md's.AHHH NO! anyway i thought it was = kinda funny they would offer something pretty obscure like that. === MIME part removed : text/html; === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
