Re: MD: Sharp and Blaupunkt questions.
Well This is the unit that turned me against Sharp MD products for a long, long time. In my opinion once you get this problem you are better off going to a newer model. I know several folks who have never had any trouble with their 702 models but many who have! Once this problem starts it is usually a bear to fix. I tried fixing my first one 3 times before junking it.. Sharp seems to have fixed this in their newer models but I still prefer a Sony or JVC personally and I do not mind the clamshells one bit and have never had one fail. As for the automotive units I have no experience with any of them, yet... Les www.musicmixers.com/mall - Original Message - From: "Phil Genera" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 6:32 AM Subject: MD: Sharp and Blaupunkt questions. Does anyone have any experience with getting sharp equipment repaired (preferably by sharp)? I have a 702 that is a non-factory refurb (stupid I know) and now doesn't work. It won't even read the TOC anymore (TOC ERR A). I'd like to get it repaired, but I need to know about how much sharp will charge (remember that there isn't any warranty with them, only the refurb place which I don't trust). Also, while I have your attention, does anyone have any experience/notes with the Blaupunkt "Dallas" MD Car Reciever? The only link from minidisc.org to a user page points to a broken server. Any input will be appreciated. Thanks. --- Phil Genera [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sysadmin, http://www.troop474.org/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: No more mailing list ! Keep it simple please...
Here is just one more idea... I am also on a Pro DJ "list" that allows commercial ads that are only pure commercial ads on Mondays ONLY. Any other post with a commercial content must be in response to a direct question concerning a product. This has worked quite well for years. BTW, I now have my mailing list up at www.musicmixers.com/mall and have a lot more stuff on the gear side now (look for pro MD equipment in the future). Expansion is a bit slower than I expected but is steady so I invite you to look around, sign up for the list and throw suggestions at me. THANKS and have a GREAT Musical Day! Musically Yours, Les Music Mixers - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Scale Factor Edit MD use in CD mastering
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === I do this all the time Custom mixes go to the MD first and then to the HHB CD recorder. As I have mentioned several times, no one has ever been able to tell the difference; the new ATRAC's are that damn good! Les Music Mixers - Original Message - From: "Eric Woudenberg" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 12:17 PM Subject: MD: Scale Factor Edit MD use in CD mastering === = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Peter Nicholls sent me this and a followup note that I thought was interesting: It was interesting to read that Scale Factor Edit is being built into Sony machines. An undocumented feature of the Yamaha MD8 8-track machine (which will work with standard minidiscs in 2-track mode) allows similar fading in and out of already-recorded material, as well as alterations in equalisation, albeit by passing the material through digital-to-analogue conversion and back. The great thing is that it allows you to have several attempts at the fade you want (using real faders), then choose the one you like best. Best wishes, Peter Nicholls (A classical recording engineer who has used minidisc for backup of DAT recording sessions, and has sometimes used bits of minidisc-originated material on commercially released CDs, without comment from reviewers! Also recorded Jazz Big Band CD entirely on MD-8.) I asked him whether it was okay to let this tidbit about MD originated material being used for making CDs out, and he replied: Eric, do pass it on. I have no qualms about revealing that there are little bits of ATRAC in some classical CD's - my clients were always aware that if necessary I would use MD originated material. This was usually to cover glitches/dropouts from DAT (actually very rare), and more often to cover material missing from DAT because MD starts faster (especially if using 6 secs of buffer) than DAT if a session "take" started unexpectedly. One producer I worked with a lot, a former head of a major American classical label, had ears like a bat for high frequencies and was VERY fussy about sound quality, but she could never tell the difference between MD and DAT even on the demanding sound of classical grand piano. I still use DAT as the master medium rather than MD, but only because the theory is better especially when dealing with multi-generation copies, not (as far as I am concerned) the sound on the first generation. Best wishes, Peter Nicholls - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: 80 min Specials
=== The original message was multipart MIME=== === All non-text parts (attachments) have been removed === Hello All I can not compete with Peter's special (so PLEASE don't ask) at his = buyitonline store but when your coupons are used up look at = www.musicmixers.com/mall for the specials there and remember every order = of 25.00 or more gets a free MD by using paypal! 50.00 or more =3D 2 = free mds. Just mention the md mailing list in the comments of your = paypal order! As always email for unbeatable large quantity deals (I = think I can compete here, LOL).. You can also combine CDR orders with MD orders and get the same deal = when using paypal. All orders are shipped at as close to actual cost as = I can figure it so do not pay much attention to what shipping adds up to = on the website when ordering more than one item; please email for = specifics before ordering.=20 I will be working hard to improve the store and the shopping cart = system soon as well as adding several new products. Genuine Mitsui CDRs = are on the way for those who do not trust the generic "clones" we = already have..Prices will be lower than I have seen anywhere and stock = should arrive next week. I can special order most any brand of CDR you = like at VERY competitive prices (and get them within 48 hrs) so ask for = anything you do not see. Have a GREAT Musical Day Les Music Mixers === MIME part removed : text/html; === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: forward from CasetteHouse... cheap.
- Original Message - From: "las" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 2:36 PM Subject: Re: MD: forward from CasetteHouse... cheap. Peter, for a brief period of time, the largest seller of MD gear (they could get just about everything) was the infamous Mini Disc Now! For orders in the US, their prices always included shipping and handling. As a reseller myself I can tell you this is very hard to do with an online shopping cart. If for instance I tried putting an accurate shipping charge on each item you would be way overcharged if you ordered several items. I try to get it as close as possible so I use a standard handling fee that applies to any order reguardless of size and even this way it will come out a bit high (and less often not enough) if several items are ordered. I can manually overide this, and do so all the time but if I switch to a total online system, which I am considering, I do not know how or if I can do this. I hope it is easier and better than I think because I do believe it is wrong to inflate shipping to make up for a low price. But to each their own, this obviously works well for some companies. If it said $25 for a ten pack of brand X, that was what you paid. No hidden charges. The shipping charges were included in the price. I know several companies are guilty as charged but I have been accussed of this too because the item might say 1.50 shipping for example and people miss the BIG print at the start explaining the handling fee. GEESE, anyone know how to get priority mail for 1.50??? While they existed, with the exception of terrible delivery times, they had excellent prices and support. You could email them with the dumbest question and they always responded to you rapidly. Well, I try . But I remember my first order from them. The owner himself used to be the whole company. He was not a super expert about MD but really loved the media and felt that he was actually not just doing something to make money, but doing something meaningful and good deeds in getting all of this stuff for people. I am still a one man operation and try to give personalized service. I also offer to meet or beat any published price if at all possible ( I have had to sell at cost once or twice for a long time customer, but I can not afford to sell at a loss). We do have to make money for cryin out loud but I try not to get rich from each customer.. The point that I'm trying to make here is to try and always do right by your customers. If you do not personally have a passion for MD, don't run an MD business (I believe you do that that passion and wish you a lot of luck with your business). I have a passion for all audio and it just happens that MD is my favorite thing right now. As a mobile DJ it saves my back a lot of pain and I have always loved recording music since I was a kid. I think MD is the best thing that ever came along for mobile DJ use and I continually strive to sell other DJs on this format.. Most importantly, don't sell "half" a product. If you sell a Japanese domestic unit to someone in the US, it needs the transformer, no matter what anybody tries to tell you. Include it in the price. Larry And, while I am thinking of it, I do give an extra md for orders over 25.00 paid via paypal as I know my friend Peter (hello Pierre) at Kheops does this as well. Look for TDK MDs SOON! I have a new supplier in the works and hope to discount these in the near future. For any fellow DJs out there I am also a new ULTIMATE stand dealer and FX Lighting dealer so www.musicmixers.com/mall will soon see several NEW additions. Email me if you need anything before seeing it at the store, I can order anything at anytime and have it drop shipped QUICK. Lasers anyone? Les Music Mixers - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: CD quality compared to MD quality
How RIGHT you are on this one DAN! It was FUN, and my partner and I get into some real good ones sometimes too, LOL BTW , we both agree yellow MDs are better than blue too, right?? But I think the clear ones give the clearest sound, LOL.. Les - Original Message - From: "Dan Frakes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Les" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "MDList" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 9:13 PM Subject: Re: MD: CD quality compared to MD quality On 8/26/00 7:05 PM, Les wrote: Actually I wrote most of what you attribute to Larry, LOL I just realized that from reading Larry's comments in the last digest ;-) You are correct about most and our disagreements are so little I'm giving up on principle! I think we had a very good discussion. Thanks to everyone for being civil -- not that you wouldn't be, but we've all seen some of the other "discussions!" - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: CD quality compared to MD quality
Well I do not believe Mike is confused but sounds like someone is and the last direct reply to my explanation "rested my case" for me whether you knew it or not, LOL... I never said ATRAC degraded anything people can hear and do not believe the modern versions do to any extent that a human ear can hear it. Next time you are in a hi fi shop ask for a demo and compare the same cd on a high end Onkyo or HK unit with high end speakers then listen via the same amp and speakers to a Technics or JVC and you will see (hear) EXACTLY what I have been talking about. The differences are so subtle you will only notice it at a very low volume...The guys jumping on the volume issue and claiming they never listen to theirs "that loud" have no idea what I tried to explain because anyone will listen past the 10% level unless they are perhaps pushing thousands of watts.. Consumer reports and others who do honest evaluations will claim there is zero sound difference in CD players. I believed this for a long time but now realize their tests were flawed because they were listening to average speakers which are not capable of producing the differences. The same should be reasonably expected from MD decks if such high end units even exist. I have 26 years experience in this stuff and some of the "analogies" just floor me. I have one customer that pays double the price to get his CDRs colored red because he KNOWS they sound better when they are the same disc and dye; just a different reflective coating (which the red color reduces reflectivity by the way) so if they sounded different at all (they do not) he has the quality backwards, LOL... In any case, nothing should ever be noticed on an average system and only those of us willing to spend the bucks on speakers alone that most would flinch at for an entire home theater including a large screen tv would (or should) even care about such minute differences.. Now I am resting my own case because I am tired of trying to explain this and think I gave it my best shot anyway...Anyone who thinks they can hear a difference would not believe anything other than what they hear anyway; never mind that very expensive test equipment can't measure a lot of what we "think" we hear, LOL.. Les Music Mixers www.musicmixers.com - Original Message - From: "Dan Frakes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 7:34 AM Subject: Re: MD: CD quality compared to MD quality On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:39:46 -0700, "Les" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guess what, any music in the hands of a consumer is in the end converted to analog since standard speakers can not convert digital information. This means each piece in the system used to reproduce sound has an effect and you have almost proved my point. You are asking a standard JVC deck to compete with your NAD. It aint gonna happen. Try hooking up a JVC CD player in your system and compare that to your NAD.. While HDCD units themselves should not make a difference on non HDCD CD they usually do for all the same reasons; the internal circuits are usually far superior on these decks than a standard one. Not necessarily true. JVC has a reputation for having some of the best "consumer-grade" CD and MD players on the market. In fact, for years JVC was the only mass-market company to have one of their players listed in Stereophile's "Recommended Components." My NAD CD player isn't top-of-the-line by any means. Is there a difference in quality? Sure. Is it the *real* reason I can hear differences? Not solely, and possibly not at all. I do have a receiver that has its own D/A converter. Maybe sometime I'll plug my MD player and my CD player into that, then run that line to my "main" stereo, just so that both will be using the same D/A converter. But back to the real topic of this discussion, as I mentioned in my initial message, the comparison I outlined was just *one* example of situations where I can tell the difference between CD and MD. It's not the only one. My CD portable sounds better than my MD portable (even though the MD portable has a better headphone amp). Even on our JVC 9000 mini-system with PSB speakers (which uses the *same* D/A converter for CD and MD), I can tell the difference. I was simply trying to provide one example that would, to some extent, be a bit more methodologically sound The single largest difference folks are going to hear from MD to the next is the deck that was used to record it. This is not necessarily the ONLY difference but it is the largest difference. So, you can also try someone else's MD recorded on at least an ES machine to listen to the difference. As I've said, I disagree. Simply because of the compression involved, the CD and MD are going to be different. And as I've already mentioned, as long as there *is* a difference, there are going to be some people who can
Re: MD: CD quality compared to MD quality
Hello Guess what, any music in the hands of a consumer is in the end converted to analog since standard speakers can not convert digital information. This means each piece in the system used to reproduce sound has an effect and you have almost proved my point. You are asking a standard JVC deck to compete with your NAD. It aint gonna happen.. Try hooking up a JVC CD player in your system and compare that to your NAD.. While HDCD units themselves should not make a difference on non HDCD CD they usually do for all the same reasons; the internal circuits are usually far superior on these decks than a standard one. I used Rock and Roll for an example ONLY, cause that's just me. And I am not talking about very loud volumes for the subtle differences to disappear, perhaps 10-15% of your systems power is usually enough for this to happen. I will normally use some soft jazz or classical to demonstrate as it is easier to hear differences (still can't hear any after a certain point) The single largest difference folks are going to hear from MD to the next is the deck that was used to record it. This is not necessarily the ONLY difference but it is the largest difference. So, you can also try someone else's MD recorded on at least an ES machine to listen to the difference. In any case, as I mentioned I have sold a lot of folks, including more than a few pro DJs on MD by proving to them in my own studio that there is near zero difference when listening at any real volume at all. Now if background elevator music played very softly is your forte then I make no such claim. Les www.musicmixers.com - Original Message - From: "Dan Frakes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 11:55 PM Subject: Re: MD: CD quality compared to MD quality "Les" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A lot of truth here but you might want to consider component quality and not just system quality. There are cd players and there are HDCD players of considerable quality difference. I have yet to see any of the so called really high end gear companies produce MD decks. I would venture to say that if you had a Sony ES CD deck and A Sony ES MD deck you should not be able to so readily hear a difference. From the sounds of your system I would bet your CD deck is either a pro model or very high end HDCD. Perhaps if you had a pro model or super high end MD deck (if indeed they are available) the comparison would be more fair. After all a Technics is not going to sound like a Harman Kardon or Onkyo, much less something better like a NAD! So, it is my firm opinion that your cd deck MUST be far superior to your MD deck if you can so easily tell a difference. My CD player is an NAD 502. A very good standalone player, but not a "pro" model (not sure what you mean by "pro"), nor is it a "very high end HDCD" (which won't make a difference on non-HDCDs). I don't have a Sony ES MD component for playback -- I use the line out on my JVC home unit or on my MZ-R50 -- but I personally think that in my system the limiting factor is the quality of the MD recording, not the playback unit. Except, I say again; when you turn the volume up to a normal rock and roll level its going to take Superman to hear any difference at all; not just between formats but between any decent gear as well (providing the same quality speakers are being used, speakers being the most crucial of all audio components). True, but I don't listen to my rock music that loud ;-) And while turning up the volume on rock music can "drown out" the differences in sound quality, turning up the volume on classical pieces doesn't quite have the same effect. In fact, it often "shows" differences. Also, until about 3 months ago I would have agreed with you totally on MP3. Since audio is my profession I took another look and have found there are now extremely high quality MP3s on the net. When converted to waves and burned to CD they are about as good as anything, which is why there is now such a fuss about themn I guess. I have yet to find an MP3 that has quality good enough to compete with CD or MD, but that's just me ;-) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: CD quality compared to MD quality
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === - Original Message - From: "Dan Frakes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 12:51 PM Subject: Re: MD: CD quality compared to MD quality On Sun, 20 Aug 2000 02:24:16 -0400, las [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a little confused and disappointed by some of the things that I have read recently here on the list. I have always felt that the quality of an MD copied from a CD (digitally) is almost indistinguishable on equipment manufactured within the last year or 2. Now I am finding multiple comments from long time list members stating that there is on obvious difference in the quality between the original CD and the MD copy. [snip] I am interested in all opinions regarding lower end decks and portables. Also, the difference that people have noticed between CD and it's MD copy. OK, Larry, I'm game grin It all depends on your equipment. For the majority of people who use MiniDiscs, there is no audible difference. Most equipment that you buy at Circuit City or Best Buy just doesn't produce the differences. This is not intended to be "elitest" nor am I saying that you can't get good, satisfying sound from Circuit City or Best Buy. Millions of people are ecstatically happy with their Circuit City stereos, and I have absolutely no problem with that. I am simply stating an objective fact: you can only produce a certain level of audio quality within the constraints of mass-market audio components. And MD is good enough that within that market, it's difficult to tell the difference. However, on higher-end systems (or even with very good headphones) the difference in sound quality between CD and MD is often immediately audible. Let's put this discussion in perspective. My friends and I often debate whether or not MP3 is "CD-quality." They'll argue for hours that it is -- then I go to their place and see that they're listening to CDs and MP3s on their computer with $30 Labtec speakers. Of course they sound the same! grin There exists a level of "system quality" below which they sound the same, and above which there is an audible difference in quality. Our discussion here is simply raising everything up to a higher level: even on a decent system, CD and MD may sound the same. However, there is still a threshold of system quality above which you will be able to hear the difference. Have to give my 2 cents worth (again) on this one. A lot of truth here but you might want to consider component quality and not just system quality. There are cd players and there are HDCD players of considerable quality difference. I have yet to see any of the so called really high end gear companies produce MD decks. I would venture to say that if you had a Sony ES CD deck and A Sony ES MD deck you should not be able to so readily hear a difference. From the sounds of your system I would bet your CD deck is either a pro model or very high end HDCD. Perhaps if you had a pro model or super high end MD deck (if indeed they are available) the comparison would be more fair. After all a Technics is not going to sound like a Harman Kardon or Onkyo, much less something better like a NAD! So, it is my firm opinion that your cd deck MUST be far superior to your MD deck if you can so easily tell a difference. Except, I say again; when you turn the volume up to a normal rock and roll level its going to take Superman to hear any difference at all; not just between formats but between any decent gear as well (providing the same quality speakers are being used, speakers being the most crucial of all audio components).. Like I said before, you would need more bucks than you spent on your gear for test equipment good enough to measure the differences being discussed here. Also, until about 3 months ago I would have agreed with you totally on MP3. Since audio is my profession I took another look and have found there are now extremely high quality MP3s on the net. When converted to waves and burned to CD they are about as good as anything, which is why there is now such a fuss about themn I guess. I would not give 2 cents for an MP3 player, however.. Les www.musicmixers.com Our system at home consists of NAD separates and NHT and PSB speakers. I'm not even close to being wealthy, but audio quality is very important to me. I'm willing to spend a lot of time shopping so that I can get the best possible sound for my money. I'll make due with fewer features if it means better sound. So I spend quite a bit of time shopping for my system (and saving for it!), listening in audio shops, reading reviews, newsgroups, etc. In my opinion, I have the best system I could get for the money
Re: MD: sound quality difference in blanks?
Hello With over 22 years of experience in electronics as both a technician and audio enthusiast your story is totally believable ONLY with analog equipment. As I have stated many times you need test equipment costing 10k or more to even measure a difference from CD to MD much less the difference between one blank and another. I have yet to find one single customer as a mobile DJ who can tell me if I am playing the same tune via CD or MD (regardless of which brand blank it may be). If your test is truly repeatable then there is something wrong with your gear or something went wrong while recording. If there were truly ANY difference I would use ONLY the best for mobile DJ use; as it is I stick with HiSpace for price. I make almost the same argument for CD blanks except that we have compatibility issues to deal with on those; unlike MD.. Speaking of HiSpace; the 80 minute month at musicmixers is now over half gone. If you have not checked out the special deals yet, do so before they are gone.. Welcome to MD! Les Lee www.musicmixers.com/mall - Original Message - From: "PrinceGaz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 10:41 AM Subject: Re: MD: sound quality difference in blanks? From: "Davini, Mark" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi everyone: I'm a total "newbie" not only to this list, but also to Minidiscs in general, just having purchased a Sony MDS-JB920. I love it! It sounds great. Excellent, always good to have another Minidisc enthusiast. I read the "Myths" within the Minidisc.org page, and everything Mr. Woudenberg writes makes perfect sense to me, BUT - - - - Could someone please tell me WHY I REALLY DO hear a difference between discs then? I was using the regular Sony Color collection discs, but then bought some Maxell GOLD, and I was amazed by the sonic difference. I recorded through the analog ins, direct from the CD player, same tune, and never changed anything (input levels) and could sense exactly what those "audiophiles" were saying - more clarity in the highs, lows had a nice roundness... Okay, okay! I know, and since I'm 41, I figured I must be deaf, and REALLY wanting to hear a difference. So I played the same test for a twenty five year old friend of mine, who doesn't have any preconceived notions about MD, (and didn't kick the extra money for the GOLD blanks) and HE could tell instantly! So I guess I need to know if anyone else out there is going through the same thing, or are you all going to tell me I'm crazy? Mark S. Davini Media Production Specialist Western Wisconsin Technical College LaCrosse, WI. 54601-0908 (608)785-9229 "If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten..." - George Carlin Hmmm, whats the nicest way to put this. I don't really want to just say "you're crazy!". First off did you and your friend do blind listening tests, that is you didn't know which disc was which while listening (so you put a disc in and your friend listens, and vice versa)-- also just to make it more interesting, sometimes use the same disc for both of the tests and see if a difference is still as noticeable [I bet it probably would be]. Still it's good to have another MD convert, and you did provide me with a good five minutes of helpless laughter which can't be bad :-) Yours, PrinceGaz. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: 80 Minute Month
=== The original message was multipart MIME=== === All non-text parts (attachments) have been removed === Thanks Peter! It is good to have a friendly recommendation from you. And as I have = said before I would buy from you myself if I were not already in the = business, LOL. Hope Kheopsmindisc is doing well for you. Have a good one Musically Yours, Les Music Mixers Very Good Price Les !!! I hope everybody will be able to take advantage of this great deal !!! If you need a smaller quantity, we offer the 80mn 5 pack for $12.00 = ($2.40 each) with Paypal Direct Payment on our website... But we can't beat = this really good price for bigger quantity ! Don't hesitate to trust Les from Music Mixer, he's a great dealer... = Quality Guaranteed, fast shipping and great Service... Good Week-End everyone... --- Pierre Forest - Kheops Minidisc Owner Kheops Minidisc - Your One Stop Shop for All Your Minidisc Needs ! http://www.kheopsminidisc.com === MIME part removed : text/html; === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: 80 Minute Month @ Music Mixers
=== The original message was multipart MIME=== === All non-text parts (attachments) have been removed === Hello all The entire month of August has been declared 80 Minute Month at = www.musicmixers.com/mall , unless stock is gone before then! Twenty = Five 80 Minute Color MDs by HiSpace will be just 59.50 (including USPS = priority shipping for all 50 States) and fifty of the same will be just = 111.00 (also including shipping)! That is only 2.38 (for the 25) or = 2.18 (for 50) per MD delivered. You can go there direct at http://musicmixers.com/mall/html/music_mixers_-_the_mall.html I decided = to start a few days early so all you MD enthusiasts are the first to = know.. We will also have our top quality "cloned" Silver on Silver 80 Minute = CDRs on special. Give us a try, your satisfaction is guaranteed and = your Discover,Visa, MasterCard or paypal is accepted! Have a Great Musical Weekend, Thanks Les Lee Music Mixers Owner www.musicmixers.com/mall=20 === MIME part removed : text/html; === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
