Re: MD: Mini DV Cam/md-l-mimedigest V2 #461
Wait a minute, Christopher Spalding, genius, excellent person, etc. You were the one who initially said the PC100 was the 3CCD DV Cam version of the TRV900. I and several others on this list then pointed out the DCR-PC100 is not the DV Cam 3CCD version of the TRV900. The DSR-PD-100 is the 3CCD DV Cam version of the TRV900. The DCR-PC100, which you have been reading the manual of, of course, doesn't mention a 3CCD because it is, in fact, a single chip Mini DV Camera. You just got the model numbers wrong, they are really similar. DSR-PD-100 is the 3CCD DV Cam version of the TRV900, the DCR-PC-100 is the 1070k single chip multi CCD Mini DV Cam that has since been revealed by Graham Baker to actually be a 680k CCD for video, exactly the same as the TRV10. Yes, thankyou, I already admitted my mistake, but in actual fact it was the model letters that i got mixed up, purely because the PC100 has not been released here yet AFAIK. Christopher Spalding Genius, generally excellent and gifted person. - even if he's occasionally wrong. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Mini DV
Hi Rodney, I understand what you are saying but if you consider the price and size of the TRV900 it really is an excellent cam. It is regarded within the TV industry as 'broadcast standard' - but only just. To get real broadcast quality you have to spend megabucks on similar MiniDV or DV format or other digital format cams but with lenses costing anything from $10K upwards, to give a few dB extra in video s/n... The TRV900 has upset a lot of the industry - imagine the guys with $20K + cameras being shown video that is very very close in quality from a $4000 cam (Aus dollars) FWIW, the images from my (PAL) TRV900 look very close in quality to most of what I see on TV or even DVD, viewed on a Sony professional 27" monitor... I do not see the grain you describe, except when shooting under low light conditions with 'gain up', or shooting ruby red colours - the TRV900 cannot focus well on reds and the red does come out quite a different shade... But you do need to get away from the '900's 'auto' mode and set white balance/iris etc manually to get the best of it GB - Original Message - From: Rodney Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 18 December 1999 11:34 Subject: Re: MD: Mini DV Oh, no! That's not what I was saying at all! I watch DVD's through component video and they're excellent. What I'm talking about is Mini DV tape I shoot on the Sony TRV900 3CCD Mini DV camcorder then play back on TV. It never looks as good as even an average DVD. It always has at least some graininess-and this is the very best consumer camcorder Sony makes. To get really professional results, I guess a person would have to invest in much more expensive professional equipment, editing bays and so on. Tape shot on the TRV900 comes across looking like good live cable at its best (shown on a really topnotch TV)-it's actually pretty good but you do see a lot of graininess. Quite frankly, I don't see all that much dfference on playback than tapes shot with a one chip Mini DV. But I guess I'm asking a lot of the format. Really, it's more than fine for traditional consumer camcording-what I'm saying is it is never, ever perfect-the colors are not 100% accurate like on a good DVD. If you compare the film to the subject you just shot, this is apparent. Especially with reds. Playing back tapes on the 3" swivel monitor look fantastic, but then again that is LCD and not a CRT. By the time you play it back on your CRT television, it adds quite a bit of graininess-like all analog TV does. It really is a wonderful format and a wonderful camera, but it is not perfect. Or even close. Although you occassionally see things like "The Blair Witch Project" that were shot on far inferior equipment as films. And a lot of Mini DV and DV Cam footage is used in television, especially by news field reporters. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Mini DV compared to DVD (=film). sligtly out of this grops topic...
At 16:34 1999-12-17 -0800, you wrote: Oh, no! That's not what I was saying at all! I watch DVD's through component video and they're excellent. What I'm talking about is Mini DV tape I shoot on the Sony TRV900 3CCD Mini DV camcorder then play back on TV. It never looks as good as even an average DVD. It always has at least some graininess-and this is the very best consumer camcorder Sony makes. To get really professional results, I guess a person would have to invest in much more expensive professional equipment, editing bays and so on. Tape shot on the TRV900 comes across looking like good live cable at its best (shown on a really topnotch TV)-it's actually pretty good but you do see a lot of graininess. Quite frankly, I don't see all that much dfference on playback than tapes shot with a one chip Mini DV. But I guess I'm asking a lot of the format. Really, it's more than fine for traditional consumer camcording-what I'm saying is it is never, ever perfect-the colors are not 100% accurate like on a good DVD. If you compare the film to the subject you just shot, this is apparent. Especially with reds. Playing back tapes on the 3" swivel monitor look fantastic, but then again that is LCD and not a CRT. By the time you play it back on your CRT television, it adds quite a bit of graininess-like all analog TV does. It really is a wonderful format and a wonderful camera, but it is not perfect. Or even close. Although you occassionally see things like "The Blair Witch Project" that were shot on far inferior equipment as films. And a lot of Mini DV and DV Cam footage is used in television, especially by news field reporters. To see graininess You must use it in auto mode (or do it by Yourself) and let it gain the exposure up to something between 6-18db, or else it´s impossible to see grain with a Trv900. But i hope You don't use component video instead of a s-video connector together with a decent TV, in that case i understand that You are unsatisfied with the results. The colors this camera produce is outstanding, but off course You have to know how to do a manually white balance, or else it´s like any other cheap miniDV. But it´s true that red can be a problem, but the only reason its better on a DVD playback is that the source is film. So if You think You can compare DV to DVD You cant because what You do is compare it to film. It doesn´t matter what kind of video camera You buy, film is 24frames a second - Video(NTSC) 30. Film has a bigger resolution, even 16mm, and 35mm has four times more resolution than 16mm... The picture from the Trv900 is as good as it can be for the moment, and even if you use a better (more expensive) editing bay You only going to save times these days, it´s all about ones and zeros...The quality is all the same. So, all video looks like video unless You take care and use short deep of field (large aperture) and a shutter speed around 1/30 (often impossible with an expensive ENG camera...). To do this You often have to use ND filter. Many times You have to soften the images a little, using a light softfilter and/or some other warmup filters. Another thing that is significant for film and the work with it is the proper use of light and shadows. Film has a broader exposure range than video, so that is one thing to think of and work after. Using a video camera with progressive scan is another tips. That´s the only way to make video look more like film. Then if you for some reason want to transfer it to DVD it´s going to look a lot better than regular DV or video compared to film... JJ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Mini DV
Oh, no! That's not what I was saying at all! I watch DVD's through component video and they're excellent. What I'm talking about is Mini DV tape I shoot on the Sony TRV900 3CCD Mini DV camcorder then play back on TV. It never looks as good as even an average DVD. It always has at least some graininess-and this is the very best consumer camcorder Sony makes. To get really professional results, I guess a person would have to invest in much more expensive professional equipment, editing bays and so on. Tape shot on the TRV900 comes across looking like good live cable at its best (shown on a really topnotch TV)-it's actually pretty good but you do see a lot of graininess. Quite frankly, I don't see all that much dfference on playback than tapes shot with a one chip Mini DV. But I guess I'm asking a lot of the format. Really, it's more than fine for traditional consumer camcording-what I'm saying is it is never, ever perfect-the colors are not 100% accurate like on a good DVD. If you compare the film to the subject you just shot, this is apparent. Especially with reds. Playing back tapes on the 3" swivel monitor look fantastic, but then again that is LCD and not a CRT. By the time you play it back on your CRT television, it adds quite a bit of graininess-like all analog TV does. It really is a wonderful format and a wonderful camera, but it is not perfect. Or even close. Although you occassionally see things like "The Blair Witch Project" that were shot on far inferior equipment as films. And a lot of Mini DV and DV Cam footage is used in television, especially by news field reporters. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Mini DV Cam/md-l-mimedigest V2 #461
Wait a minute, Christopher Spalding, genius, excellent person, etc. You were the one who initially said the PC100 was the 3CCD DV Cam version of the TRV900. I and several others on this list then pointed out the DCR-PC100 is not the DV Cam 3CCD version of the TRV900. The DSR-PD-100 is the 3CCD DV Cam version of the TRV900. The DCR-PC100, which you have been reading the manual of, of course, doesn't mention a 3CCD because it is, in fact, a single chip Mini DV Camera. You just got the model numbers wrong, they are really similar. DSR-PD-100 is the 3CCD DV Cam version of the TRV900, the DCR-PC-100 is the 1070k single chip multi CCD Mini DV Cam that has since been revealed by Graham Baker to actually be a 680k CCD for video, exactly the same as the TRV10. Anyway, while on the subject, Graham, could you please post an E-Mail address to subscribe to for those of us interested in joining the DV-L list. Thanks. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Mini DV Cam/md-l-mimedigest V2 #461
- Original Message - From: Rodney Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Graham, could you please post an E-Mail address to subscribe to for those of us interested in joining the DV-L list. Thanks. All about DV-L: http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html There is also a very active TRV900 list: if you want to subscribe send an empty email to - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and a brilliant TRV900 web page that rivals Ricks MDCP (but not quite:-) http://www.bealecorner.com/trv900/index.html Cheers GB - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Mini DV
From: Rodney Peterson video played back on TV comes much closer to looking like live news on cable than even an average DVD. Most DVD source material is film... Rick. -+--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alienshore.com/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Mini DV
I don't know how you watch your DVD's but I watch thru S-Video and it LOOKS SUPURB. Maybe some of you don't have the ability to do this. Even thru RCA cables it looks better than regular cable by far. The only thing I would compare DVD to is Satellite and Laserdisc. - Original Message - From: Rick Pali [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 2:56 PM Subject: RE: MD: Mini DV From: Rodney Peterson video played back on TV comes much closer to looking like live news on cable than even an average DVD. Most DVD source material is film... Rick. -+--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alienshore.com/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Mini DV
Yes, I have noticed problems with this format as well as all other consumer grade formats that I doubt the DV Cam could improve much on. No matter what I do, even with the TRV900, colors are never completely accurate and video played back on TV comes much closer to looking like live news on cable than even an average DVD. The TRV900 was the first video camera I ever owned, and somehow I expected more. The film looked best on the camera's 3 inch swivel LCD screen, despite the many failings of LCD. Even then, the colors are not 100% accurate but when I play it back on a larger screen it's even more evident. It just doesn't get to the point of looking like really great film, no matter what. Maybe consumer DVD camcorders can finally change this when they happen. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
