Re: MD: . dvd copyright/fragile MD players

2001-04-04 Thread Neil


On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:51:01 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  At 21:47 28/03/2001 +, Chad Gombosi wrote:
  
  [dvd to MD copying]
  In other words, just make an analogue copy.
  
  Alternatively, go into your player's setup menu and change the digital 
  format from DD5.1/DTS to PCM Stereo. The MD recorder should cope with it
fine.

And it does just fine, or at least I have not had any problems making
digital copies of DVD soundtracks using the digital out from my DVD player,
to the digital in to a Minidisc deck. As Simon rightly says, the settings
for the digital signal need changing to PCM (normally set to bitstream on
mine, as input to my AV amp). Never had any issues yet, nor any SCMS issues,
that I've heard some people mention (in other discussions).

Neil





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Re: MD: . dvd copyright/fragile MD players

2001-03-28 Thread las


Matt Wall wrote:

 There are several players out there that you can disable these on, some of
 the most popular ones are apex models.

The Apex units have not been available with that feature doe quite some time
now.  The ahd what was know as a loophole menu.  It was designed for testing and
repairing the units. But someone discovered a way to access this menu using the
remote.

There was a big stink.  E bay banned the sale of any units advertising that they
could bypass Macrovision.  Apex was forced to change their firmware.  There is
someone who sells the modified (older style) chips to allow copying again.

To the best of my knowledge, Macrovision is still the only method used for copy
protection of DVDs. You can't have many different schemes because if you did,
each player would need to be programed to deal with each one.

Larry
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Re: MD: . dvd copyright/fragile MD players

2001-03-28 Thread Chad Gombosi


there is a key protection on the cd itself that protects the
data, then you are correct about there being macrovision, but it is not
implimented on the dvd itself, it is forced on the users inside the 
players.

This is both right and wrong. The macrovison signal is created by the DVD 
player itself (as I stated before), and it can be disabled by various 
methods and hacks, but it is option. There is a portion of the DVD that tell 
the player to turn on macrovison or not. Same thing with parental lock-out, 
and region coding. I have never known of a single DVD that didn't elect to 
use this option though since only a fool would not copy protect his stuff if 
it was a simple matter of turning a bit on of off.

I'm not going to go on about DVD anymore because this is a MD mailing list, 
but I will say this to hopefully stifle at least another week of posts 
regarding the copying of DVD sound onto minidisc dititally:

You can't do it, and it has nothing to do with SCMS, or any other copyright 
system. The digital signal is totally incompatible with any MD player, not 
just because of word leanth, and sampling rate, but because most DVDs have 6 
channels of sound, where as MD has two. The only bitstream from a DVD that 
you might be able to copy digitally to MD would be sub-par DVDs that have 
MPEG sound intead of DD, or DTS.

In other words, just make an analogue copy.


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Re: MD: . dvd copyright/fragile MD players

2001-03-28 Thread Simon Gardner


At 21:47 28/03/2001 +, Chad Gombosi wrote:

[dvd to MD copying]
In other words, just make an analogue copy.

Alternatively, go into your player's setup menu and change the digital 
format from DD5.1/DTS to PCM Stereo. The MD recorder should cope with it fine.

-- 
Simon

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