Re: MD: Using a Timer with Sony MDSJE530
Many thanks to those who gave me advice on this. As a result of the reassurance given here I purchased a 530 this weekend and it does exactly what I want. Thanks, Ian - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Using a Timer with Sony MDSJE530
From: Brent Harding [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 2:35 AM Subject: Re: MD: Using a Timer with Sony MDSJE530 So, when they are retransmitting the signals off of satellite, or wherever they get them, they use this feature to cut out the commercials and put there own in? No, it's purely to enable some features on radio units such as mine to tell me what type of music I am listening to. I ignore the henre display - pretty useless really, I know the difference between "news" and "rock" and "classic" thanks. More useful is theRadio-Text feature. Whilst listening to Radio 3 I had [Rachmaninov Paiano Concert No. 2 : Movement 3 : Allegro Non Troppo} (or something like that) scrolling along the display. I wish it were possible to transfer this text to MD! Why do they use radio text on the radio anyways when the majority of radios don't display it? Some people find it useful, and it seemed like a good idea at the time I guess. So, you'd hook this tuner up to your md, and use it's settings to cause the md to pause and the like? If the features were built into the tuner and MD you would, but at the moment they are not available. Thinking of using md to help do a netcast some day wonce I get it, this tuner could maybe do what I want. Not sure I understand what you're planning to do, but if what you need is a way of chopping out commercials etc. when recording then it would. Magic -- "Creativity is more a birthright than an acquisition, and the power of sound is wisdom and understanding applied to the power of vibration." Location : Portsmouth, England, UK Homepage : http://www.mattnet.freeserve.co.uk EMail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Using a Timer with Sony MDSJE530
Not sure it's so much of a wish, it *could* be made possible. I have a Denon tuner which has RDS and Radio-Text. You can set it to re-tune to the news broadcasts and traffic information, and you can also search for specific styles of music, skipping other radio stations. One of the things that happens when commercials are broadcast is that the text display changes to [Commercial] and all the indicator on the display that tells you the broadcast genre switches off. It would surely be possible to latch onto this information and have an MD pause during those periods, resulting in no commercials being recorded. My Sony tuner came with an EON-Link cable to connect it to an amp for source switching (if you want it, back to tuner when a traffic/news broadcast comes on) in a similar way to car radios. An EON-Link port on an MD deck could probably do something like you describe. Magic -- Simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Using a Timer with Sony MDSJE530
Matt wrote, | Not sure it's so much of a wish, it *could* be made possible. I have a Denon | tuner which has RDS and Radio-Text. ... One of the things that | happens when commercials are broadcast is that the text display changes to | [Commercial] and all the indicator on the display that tells you the | broadcast genre switches off. It would surely be possible to latch onto this | information and have an MD pause during those periods, resulting in no | commercials being recorded. It sounds as though, rather than modifying an MD recorder, it might be more practical to design an intermediate device that would suppress the signal during seleted genre values, and to leave the MD recorder on synchro. Then each stretch of undesired data -- such as a commercial break -- would show up on the recording as just two or three seconds of silence. Lacking the engineering skills and any access to broadcasts with Radio-Text or RDS, I'll leave the experimentation to someone else. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Using a Timer with Sony MDSJE530
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === I plan to do things mostly unattended, things I want to listen to are on when I'm not available. If you found where the tone was to detect it's frequency, wouldn't you be able to set the md so that when that comes up in the program to start operating the pause button? Often, there's a slight pause where national commercials end, and local ones begin, but you'd still have some commercials, but 10 minutes worth during the breaks sometimes can be a lot, andd these shows are seeral hours long. At 09:41 AM 1/29/00 -0600, you wrote: Brent asked, | How then, do they know to take a commercial break if there's nobody at the | station to cut in the local commercials? If there's a beep or something, | audible or not, wouldn't it get recorded too? Yes, and so will the commercials. The idea of an MD that can skip commer- cials while it records from radio was just an earlier poster's wish; it is not an actuality. Unattended MD recording does not have a way to pause automatically during commercials. You'll record the commercials along with the rest of the show unless you're listening while you record and you can operate the pause but- ton. You can edit the commercials out later and reuse most of the space they took up. In personal experience, even if I am next to the machine and can operate the pause button, I get better results by letting it record everything and edit- ing out the commercials later, than by trying to remain attentive and vigi- lant both for pausing when the commercial breaks start and, more importantly, for unpausing when the show itself resumes. However, I'm under a lot of pressure in my personal life and suffer chronic sleep deprivation, so it's difficult for me to relax in a chair, no matter how interested I am in the book I'm reading or the music I'm listening to, without drifting off. If you're better at remaining alert than I am, perhaps you can get good results by operating the pause button yourself while you listen. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brent Harding Watch ads for over $20 per hour! Visit this site to join ad vision! http://www.bepaid.com/users.rhtml?REFID=10160429 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Using a Timer with Sony MDSJE530
Brent followed up, | I plan to do things mostly unattended, things I want to listen to are on | when I'm not available. If you found where the tone was to detect it's | frequency, wouldn't you be able to set the md so that when that comes up in | the program to start operating the pause button? Not with any MD recorder available for sale today. Many can pause when silences last longer than a couple seconds and unpause when sound resumes, but I'd be really surprised if any could react to certain tones. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Using a Timer with Sony MDSJE530
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === where do they sell such a device that does this? At 10:55 AM 1/29/00 -0600, you wrote: Matt wrote, | Not sure it's so much of a wish, it *could* be made possible. I have a Denon | tuner which has RDS and Radio-Text. ... One of the things that | happens when commercials are broadcast is that the text display changes to | [Commercial] and all the indicator on the display that tells you the | broadcast genre switches off. It would surely be possible to latch onto this | information and have an MD pause during those periods, resulting in no | commercials being recorded. It sounds as though, rather than modifying an MD recorder, it might be more practical to design an intermediate device that would suppress the signal during seleted genre values, and to leave the MD recorder on synchro. Then each stretch of undesired data -- such as a commercial break -- would show up on the recording as just two or three seconds of silence. Lacking the engineering skills and any access to broadcasts with Radio-Text or RDS, I'll leave the experimentation to someone else. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brent Harding Watch ads for over $20 per hour! Visit this site to join ad vision! http://www.bepaid.com/users.rhtml?REFID=10160429 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Using a Timer with Sony MDSJE530
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === So, when they are retransmitting the signals off of satellite, or wherever they get them, they use this feature to cut out the commercials and put there own in? Why do they use radio text on the radio anyways when the majority of radios don't display it? So, you'd hook this tuner up to your md, and use it's settings to cause the md to pause and the like? Thinking of using md to help do a netcast some day wonce I get it, this tuner could maybe do what I want.At 03:50 PM 1/29/00 -, you wrote: From: David W. Tamkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 3:41 PM Subject: Re: MD: Using a Timer with Sony MDSJE530 Brent asked, | How then, do they know to take a commercial break if there's nobody at the | station to cut in the local commercials? If there's a beep or something, | audible or not, wouldn't it get recorded too? Yes, and so will the commercials. The idea of an MD that can skip commer- cials while it records from radio was just an earlier poster's wish; it is not an actuality. Not sure it's so much of a wish, it *could* be made possible. I have a Denon tuner which has RDS and Radio-Text. You can set it to re-tune to the news broadcasts and traffic information, and you can also search for specific styles of music, skipping other radio stations. One of the things that happens when commercials are broadcast is that the text display changes to [Commercial] and all the indicator on the display that tells you the broadcast genre switches off. It would surely be possible to latch onto this information and have an MD pause during those periods, resulting in no commercials being recorded. I don't record from commercial radio much myself, but I do find it easier to edit afterwards simply by splitting the tracks up and erasing the commercials - I'm not quick enough on the pause button either! :o) Magic -- "Creativity is more a birthright than an acquisition, and the power of sound is wisdom and understanding applied to the power of vibration." Location : Portsmouth, England, UK Homepage : http://www.mattnet.freeserve.co.uk EMail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brent Harding Watch ads for over $20 per hour! Visit this site to join ad vision! http://www.bepaid.com/users.rhtml?REFID=10160429 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Using a Timer with Sony MDSJE530
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Brent Harding wrote: ... but if I got an md recording device, that's something I'd want, but the trouble is when you have two programs on two different stations. If it's talk shows and the like, is there index signals that md recorders could detect to cut out some of the commercials and the like, and to signal the end of the program, so it'd know to switch stations to get ready for the next one, and allow changing of disks automatically? This reminds me of the bit in Star Trek movie X where they go back to save the whales, and Scotty picks up a computer mouse and starts trying to talk to it. Yes, that's how it SHOULD work, but don't hold your breath ... simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Using a Timer with Sony MDSJE530
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === what if you want it to go from one to another without pausing? Like to have a good transition to save disk space, can you edit it so it merges together that way? At 09:03 PM 1/27/00 +0100, you wrote: I guess it's obvious that a cassette would work in this way but I am not clear that an MD necessarily would. The 530 is designed to work in conjunction with a timer but does anyone know if it works in the same way? It seems logical that it should but I suppose it could do something less helpful e.g. the second recording could overwrite the first. i tested it: the sony mdsje530 behaves like a tape recorder, it adds a new track every time it is switched on in timer rec mode. it just needs a few seconds to write the toc of the previous recording and another few seconds to really start recording, so you shouldn't set your timer *too* accurately. :-) i assume all other md recorders with timer rec feature behave the same way. kind regards, willi - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brent Harding Watch ads for over $20 per hour! Visit this site to join ad vision! http://www.bepaid.com/users.rhtml?REFID=10160429 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Using a Timer with Sony MDSJE530
Brent is still skeptical: | what if you want it to go from one to another without pausing? Like to have | a good transition to save disk space, can you edit it so it merges together | that way? There won't be a gap between successive timer recordings ... actually, the second recording will start at the next cluster boundary, but the unused fractional cluster will be skipped on playback, so you won't hear the gap. If there is a little bit of silence or of extraneous sound you don't want, yes, you can edit it out, just as with any other MD recording. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Using a Timer with Sony MDSJE530
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === How then, do they know to take a commercial break if there's nobody at the station to cut in the local commercials? If there's a beep or something, audible or not, wouldn't it get recorded too? At 09:32 AM 1/28/00 -, you wrote: === = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Brent Harding wrote: ... but if I got an md recording device, that's something I'd want, but the trouble is when you have two programs on two different stations. If it's talk shows and the like, is there index signals that md recorders could detect to cut out some of the commercials and the like, and to signal the end of the program, so it'd know to switch stations to get ready for the next one, and allow changing of disks automatically? This reminds me of the bit in Star Trek movie X where they go back to save the whales, and Scotty picks up a computer mouse and starts trying to talk to it. Yes, that's how it SHOULD work, but don't hold your breath ... simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brent Harding Watch ads for over $20 per hour! Visit this site to join ad vision! http://www.bepaid.com/users.rhtml?REFID=10160429 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Using a Timer with Sony MDSJE530
Hi Ian I have a Sony JE520, and I use it in the way you describe. I have an industrial digital controller / timer, and I can use this to set loads of on/off timings. When the 520 is switched to Record Timer mode, it will automatically find the last track on the MD and start recording after that, so it won't overwrite any of your previous recordings. The other Ian wrote : I guess it's obvious that a cassette would work in this way but I am not clear that an MD necessarily would. The 530 is designed to work in conjunction with a timer but does anyone know if it works in the same way? It seems logical that it should but I suppose it could do something less helpful e.g. the second recording could overwrite the first. All you need to do is hook the unit up to the mains timer, switch it over, stand back and allow it to do its thing. Hope this helps Ian === "Nullus Anxietas" http://www.h2g2.com/ The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Researcher 107394 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Using a Timer with Sony MDSJE530
I guess it's obvious that a cassette would work in this way but I am not clear that an MD necessarily would. The 530 is designed to work in conjunction with a timer but does anyone know if it works in the same way? It seems logical that it should but I suppose it could do something less helpful e.g. the second recording could overwrite the first. i tested it: the sony mdsje530 behaves like a tape recorder, it adds a new track every time it is switched on in timer rec mode. it just needs a few seconds to write the toc of the previous recording and another few seconds to really start recording, so you shouldn't set your timer *too* accurately. :-) i assume all other md recorders with timer rec feature behave the same way. kind regards, willi - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Using a Timer with Sony MDSJE530
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === do you just plug the power cord into the timer, and plug that in to the wall? Never did timed recording on anything before, but if I got an md recording device, that's something I'd want, but the trouble is when you have two programs on two different stations. If it's talk shows and the like, is there index signals that md recorders could detect to cut out some of the commercials and the like, and to signal the end of the program, so it'd know to switch stations to get ready for the next one, and allow changing of disks automatically? At 07:56 PM 1/26/00 -0500, you wrote: On my 520, there is a switch for the timer position. If youhave it in that position, and you connect a timer, it will record when you aren't there. I haven't really experimented with it. THe instructions are a little vague. Ian wrote: I intend to replace my cassette deck with the Sony MDSJE530. I frequently make unattended recordings off the radio in conjunction with a timer. Sometimes I will program the timer to record two programs in my absence - say 30 minutes in the morning and 30 minutes in the afternoon. Providing the cassette is long enough this is no problem; the second recording starts after the first finished. I guess it's obvious that a cassette would work in this way but I am not clear that an MD necessarily would. The 530 is designed to work in conjunction with a timer but does anyone know if it works in the same way? It seems logical that it should but I suppose it could do something less helpful e.g. the second recording could overwrite the first. Thanks, Ian - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jim Coon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brent Harding Watch ads for over $20 per hour! Visit this site to join ad vision! http://www.bepaid.com/users.rhtml?REFID=10160429 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Using a Timer with Sony MDSJE530
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Because there are no physical switches to put it on record before it does it, so when the timer turns power on, there is no way I know of to do it, unless you use expensive equipment that I don't know about or use that would send some kind of tone to make a recorder recognizing be able to act upon it. At 11:18 PM 1/26/00 -, you wrote: I intend to replace my cassette deck with the Sony MDSJE530. I frequently make unattended recordings off the radio in conjunction with a timer. Sometimes I will program the timer to record two programs in my absence - say 30 minutes in the morning and 30 minutes in the afternoon. Providing the cassette is long enough this is no problem; the second recording starts after the first finished. I guess it's obvious that a cassette would work in this way but I am not clear that an MD necessarily would. The 530 is designed to work in conjunction with a timer but does anyone know if it works in the same way? It seems logical that it should but I suppose it could do something less helpful e.g. the second recording could overwrite the first. Thanks, Ian - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brent Harding Watch ads for over $20 per hour! Visit this site to join ad vision! http://www.bepaid.com/users.rhtml?REFID=10160429 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Using a Timer with Sony MDSJE530
Brent Harding wrote: do you just plug the power cord into the timer, and plug that in to the wall? yep -- Jim Coon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Using a Timer with Sony MDSJE530
Brent Harding wrote: Because there are no physical switches to put it on record before it does it, so when the timer turns power on, there is no way I know of to do it, unless you use expensive equipment that I don't know about or use that would send some kind of tone to make a recorder recognizing be able to act upon it. There is a switch on the md recorder that you set for timed record or timed play. You then plug the deck into your timer and when it turns on and off, it will record orplay depending on how you have the MD set. -- Jim Coon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Using a Timer with Sony MDSJE530
On my 520, there is a switch for the timer position. If youhave it in that position, and you connect a timer, it will record when you aren't there. I haven't really experimented with it. THe instructions are a little vague. Ian wrote: I intend to replace my cassette deck with the Sony MDSJE530. I frequently make unattended recordings off the radio in conjunction with a timer. Sometimes I will program the timer to record two programs in my absence - say 30 minutes in the morning and 30 minutes in the afternoon. Providing the cassette is long enough this is no problem; the second recording starts after the first finished. I guess it's obvious that a cassette would work in this way but I am not clear that an MD necessarily would. The 530 is designed to work in conjunction with a timer but does anyone know if it works in the same way? It seems logical that it should but I suppose it could do something less helpful e.g. the second recording could overwrite the first. Thanks, Ian - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jim Coon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
