Re: [MeeGo-dev] test

[RISKÓ Gergely]

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 09:53:24 +0800, shaohua gu  writes:

> 欢迎欢迎

Though copy & paste and google translate are working exceptionally well
nowadays out-of-the-box with these characters, I would like to remind
you, that the discussion language here is English.

Thank you for taking this into consideration,
Gergely
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Re: [MeeGo-dev] FW: moblin-2.1-pr-final-ivi-201002090924.img

[Clark, Joel]

Neither Moblin IVI nor MeeGo IVI is intended for Moorestown.  Moorestown is a 
handset chipset,  IVI is for embedded Automotive systems.

regards
Joel


From: meego-dev-boun...@meego.com [mailto:meego-dev-boun...@meego.com] On 
Behalf Of An Yang
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 8:37 PM
To: Arthur Hsiao
Cc: meego-dev@meego.com
Subject: Re: [MeeGo-dev] FW: moblin-2.1-pr-final-ivi-201002090924.img

在 2010-04-12一的 19:12 -0700，Arthur Hsiao写道：



The downloading link is still broken to me.  My platform is

z510+US15w.  Xor.conf seems to be another problem to me.  I will

connect to VGA LCD monitor for testing now, and later will have 7"/11"

touch LVDS panels.  Anyone has a good suggestion?  How about the touch

panel (USB) driver?  Any generic one?
Inel guys said, meego ivi just support moorestown and later.





Thanks

Arthur



On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Maloney, Gerard

mailto:gerard.malo...@intel.com>> wrote:

> http://moblin.org/projects/2.1-ivi-project-releases

>

> you have the choice of with or without iedg drivers.

>

> Because the graphic driver is licensed, the method of getting it onto your

> platform is a bit long winded, but if you extract the tgz on your target

> platform , it should work.

>

> What is your target platform ?

>

> Ger

>

> -Original Message-

> From: meego-dev-boun...@meego.com 
> [mailto:meego-dev-boun...@meego.com] On

> Behalf Of Jan-Simon Möller

> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 10:21 AM

> To: meego-dev@meego.com

> Subject: Re: [MeeGo-dev] FW: moblin-2.1-pr-final-ivi-201002090924.img

>

> Am Freitag, 9. April 2010 04:03:24 schrieb Arthur Hsiao:

>> This week is really bad for me.  First, the

>> 'moblin-2.1-pr-final-ivi-201002090924.img'

>> was nowhere to find; then I went to

>> http://edc.intel.com/Software/Downloads/IEGD/ to downlaod the IEGD driver

>> for Moblin, I was always given the IEGD_10_3_1_GOLD.zip, which is not

>> IEGD_10_3_1_Linux.tgz described in the User's Guide.  Can someone help me

>> out?

>

> Unzip the 1st file, There's a .exe inside. Execute that on windows or using

> wine.

> Then there's in a subfolder the IEGD_*_Linux.tgz .

>

> Best,

> Jan-Simon

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Re: [MeeGo-dev] after updates, X still refuse to work!

[An Yang]

Hi, 

I'm sorry, xorg driver and server are good, after install xinit, I could
see the XORG cross.
though there are many EE and WW, but xorg server works-:)

在 2010-04-08四的 21:28 -0700，Arjan van de Ven写道：

> On 4/8/2010 18:50, An Yang wrote:
> > I have installed uxlaunch from repo, but still got X failed in VT7.
> >
> 
> uxlaunch does not start X in vt7...
> 
> it starts it in the current tty (which tends to be 2; over time we'll move 
> this to 1)


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Re: [MeeGo-dev] FW: moblin-2.1-pr-final-ivi-201002090924.img

[An Yang]

在 2010-04-12一的 19:12 -0700，Arthur Hsiao写道：

> The downloading link is still broken to me.  My platform is
> z510+US15w.  Xor.conf seems to be another problem to me.  I will
> connect to VGA LCD monitor for testing now, and later will have 7"/11"
> touch LVDS panels.  Anyone has a good suggestion?  How about the touch
> panel (USB) driver?  Any generic one?

Inel guys said, meego ivi just support moorestown and later.

> 
> Thanks
> Arthur
> 
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Maloney, Gerard
>  wrote:
> > http://moblin.org/projects/2.1-ivi-project-releases
> >
> > you have the choice of with or without iedg drivers.
> >
> > Because the graphic driver is licensed, the method of getting it onto your
> > platform is a bit long winded, but if you extract the tgz on your target
> > platform , it should work.
> >
> > What is your target platform ?
> >
> > Ger
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: meego-dev-boun...@meego.com [mailto:meego-dev-boun...@meego.com] On
> > Behalf Of Jan-Simon Möller
> > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 10:21 AM
> > To: meego-dev@meego.com
> > Subject: Re: [MeeGo-dev] FW: moblin-2.1-pr-final-ivi-201002090924.img
> >
> > Am Freitag, 9. April 2010 04:03:24 schrieb Arthur Hsiao:
> >> This week is really bad for me.  First, the
> >> 'moblin-2.1-pr-final-ivi-201002090924.img'
> >> was nowhere to find; then I went to
> >> http://edc.intel.com/Software/Downloads/IEGD/ to downlaod the IEGD driver
> >> for Moblin, I was always given the IEGD_10_3_1_GOLD.zip, which is not
> >> IEGD_10_3_1_Linux.tgz described in the User's Guide.  Can someone help me
> >> out?
> >
> > Unzip the 1st file, There's a .exe inside. Execute that on windows or using
> > wine.
> > Then there's in a subfolder the IEGD_*_Linux.tgz .
> >
> > Best,
> > Jan-Simon
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Re: [MeeGo-dev] Why writing DPI value hardy in uxlaunch?

[An Yang]

meego.com need clear some develop rules, for example:
meego just provides support for cpu + chipset level, please do not for
specific hardware product, many many ODM will NOT be happy-:)

在 2010-04-14三的 03:51 +0100，Richards, Nicholas E写道：

> 
> >-Original Message-
> >From: meego-dev-boun...@meego.com [mailto:meego-dev-boun...@meego.com]
> >On Behalf Of Thiago Macieira
> >Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 5:40 PM
> >To: meego-dev@meego.com
> >Subject: Re: [MeeGo-dev] Why writing DPI value hardy in uxlaunch?
> >
> >Em Terça-feira 13. Abril 2010, às 18.07.42, Arjan van de Ven escreveu:
> >> On 4/13/2010 2:53, Zhao, Juan J wrote:
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> >I have found that when running uxlaunch, it send "-dpi 120" to
> >Xorg. Why
> >> >doing this? I have found that this is written hardly in xserver.c.
> >>
> >> this is on the request of our UI designers; it turns out that most
> >hardware
> >> lies badly about it's dpi and it's not possible to get a consistent
> >> experience without setting it to a fixed value.
> >
> >Hardware lying about its size is very common.
> >
> >But it's a UI problem if the UI doesn't scale to proper DPI. Different
> >types of
> >devices will have wildly different real-DPI values, so those should be
> >taken
> >into account.
> 
> This was intended specifically for the netbook use case where, because we 
> *know* the size of the panels and the resolutions of all of the screens we 
> can be very sure exactly how much many of the devices were lying to us. And 
> it made them look terrible, which was clearly unacceptable when we're trying 
> to create a product that people will want to buy.
> 
> I obviously have no vested interest in defending hard coding stuff, it's 
> almost always the wrong thing to do, so if you have a way of delivering a 
> result which is acceptable to both design and tech then please let us know. 
> In the immortal words "patches welcome".
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[MeeGo-dev] Some error meesages about installing rpm when I create the image

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Re: [MeeGo-dev] test

[shaohua gu]

欢迎欢迎

在 2010年4月16日 上午9:25，陈楚江北 写道：

>  Hi All:
>Welcome Xinli join us.
>I am a newbie and thanks for your help in the future.
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> > Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 16:38:48 +0800
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> > Subject: [MeeGo-dev] test
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> > test
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Re: [MeeGo-dev] test

[陈楚江北]

Hi All:
   Welcome Xinli join us.
   I am a newbie and thanks for your help in the future.


> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 16:38:48 +0800
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[MeeGo-dev] Alternative keyboard layout in MeeGo

[Janosch Maier]

Hi all,

I am using Neo2 as my standard keyboard layout. Is or will it be
possible to change the layout for hardware keyboards e.g. on N900 and
on-screen keyboards from quertz (or german querty) to some alternative
layout?

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Re: [MeeGo-dev] how to start developing on MeeGo?

[Dave Neary]

Hi Quim,

I know I'm becoming something of a broken record at this stage, but...

quim@nokia.com wrote:
> We are still preparing the developer documentation for the first MeeGo 
> release. The information currently available can be found at 
> http://wiki.meego.com/Documentation_backlog

Who is "we" Are there any Nokia, Intel or external people currently
working on devel docs anywhere other than the wiki? Or will the docs get
done directly in the wiki? Have there been any discussions of who's
going to lead the documentation working group (if there's going to be a
working group)?

> Note that meego-dev focuses in the development of MeeGo itself. Support for 
> application developers is offered in these channels where you might get more 
> answers:
> 
> Application developer support forum
> http://forum.meego.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3
> 
> meego-sdk mailing list
> http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-sdk

Ah - I hadn't realised the SDK mailing list was for application
developers - I instinctively would have assumed that the sdk list is
about developing the core SDK, and the meego-dev list would be more
general development.

Good to know.

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Re: [MeeGo-dev] how to start developing on MeeGo?

[Kai Ouyang]

Thank all guys...keeping high interested watching...

2010/4/16 USA Linux UAE 

> Ya, it has turned many individual contributors down especially after this
>
>
> http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/15/nokia-and-intel-give-meego-1-0-its-first-live-performance-video/
>
> So if you are open project , why this openness to selected vendors.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 7:48 PM,  wrote:
>
>> USA Linux UAE said:
>> > I am interested in Platform development, porting and packaging , waiting
>> > for OBS to open and core code to be available
>>
>> Then you might be interested watching
>>
>> Bug 615 -  Open the access of MeeGo OBS
>> http://bugzilla.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=615
>>
>> --
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>> open source advocate
>> MeeGo Devices @ Nokia
>>
>>
>> > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 7:37 PM, lucas azevedo > >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>>  There is little info for a
>> > newbie to startup working on
>> > > MeeGo
>> from the meego.com website.
>> > Where can I find more info &
>> > > doc to
>> instruct me to steup the
>> > enviroment, compile the kernel,
>> > > test
>> in kernel/service/app?
>> > >
>>  Please help, thx
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > We are still preparing the developer
>> documentation for
>> > the first MeeGo release. The information
>> currently
>> > available can be found at
>> >
>> http://wiki.meego.com/Documentation_backlog
>> >
>> > Note that meego-dev focuses in the
>> development of MeeGo
>> > itself. Support for application
>> developers is offered in
>> > these channels where you might get more
>> answers:
>> >
>> > Application developer support forum
>> >
>> http://forum.meego.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3
>> >
>> > meego-sdk mailing list
>> >
>> http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-sdk
>> >
>> > --
>> > Quim Gil + N900
>> > open source advocate
>> > MeeGo Devices @ Nokia
>> >
>> > Actually, I'm interested in both developing MeeGo
>> applications
>> > and MeeGo itself. Thanks for the info :)
>> >
>> > Kind Regards,
>> > Lucas Azevedo
>> >
>> >
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Re: [MeeGo-dev] how to start developing on MeeGo?

[USA Linux UAE]

Ya, it has turned many individual contributors down especially after this

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/15/nokia-and-intel-give-meego-1-0-its-first-live-performance-video/

So if you are open project , why this openness to selected vendors.

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 7:48 PM,  wrote:

> USA Linux UAE said:
> > I am interested in Platform development, porting and packaging , waiting
> > for OBS to open and core code to be available
>
> Then you might be interested watching
>
> Bug 615 -  Open the access of MeeGo OBS
> http://bugzilla.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=615
>
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>
>
> > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 7:37 PM, lucas azevedo 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>  There is little info for a
> > newbie to startup working on
> > > MeeGo
> from the meego.com website.
> > Where can I find more info &
> > > doc to
> instruct me to steup the
> > enviroment, compile the kernel,
> > > test in
> kernel/service/app?
> > >
>  Please help, thx
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > We are still preparing the developer
> documentation for
> > the first MeeGo release. The information
> currently
> > available can be found at
> >
> http://wiki.meego.com/Documentation_backlog
> >
> > Note that meego-dev focuses in the
> development of MeeGo
> > itself. Support for application
> developers is offered in
> > these channels where you might get more
> answers:
> >
> > Application developer support forum
> >
> http://forum.meego.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3
> >
> > meego-sdk mailing list
> >
> http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-sdk
> >
> > --
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> > open source advocate
> > MeeGo Devices @ Nokia
> >
> > Actually, I'm interested in both developing MeeGo
> applications
> > and MeeGo itself. Thanks for the info :)
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> > Lucas Azevedo
> >
> >
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Re: [MeeGo-dev] how to start developing on MeeGo?

[quim.gil]

USA Linux UAE said: 
> I am interested in Platform development, porting and packaging , waiting
> for OBS to open and core code to be available

Then you might be interested watching

Bug 615 -  Open the access of MeeGo OBS 
http://bugzilla.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=615

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> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 7:37 PM, lucas azevedo 
> wrote:
>                                 
>                                 >
>                                 >
>                                 >                                             
>    There is little info for a
>                                 newbie to startup working on
>                                 >                                 MeeGo from 
>the meego.com website.
>                                 Where can I find more info &
>                                 >                                 doc to 
>instruct me to steup the
>                                 enviroment, compile the kernel,
>                                 >                                 test in 
>kernel/service/app?
>                                 >                                             
>Please help, thx
>                                 
>                                 
>                                 
>                                 
>                                 We are still preparing the developer 
>documentation for
>                                 the first MeeGo release. The information 
>currently
>                                 available can be found at
>                                 http://wiki.meego.com/Documentation_backlog
>                                 
>                                 Note that meego-dev focuses in the 
>development of MeeGo
>                                 itself. Support for application developers is 
>offered in
>                                 these channels where you might get more 
>answers:
>                                 
>                                 Application developer support forum
>                                 http://forum.meego.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3
>                                 
>                                 meego-sdk mailing list
>                                 http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-sdk
>                                 
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>                 Actually, I'm interested in both developing MeeGo applications
>                 and MeeGo itself. Thanks for the info :)
>                 
>                 Kind Regards,
>                 Lucas Azevedo 
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Re: [MeeGo-dev] how to start developing on MeeGo?

[USA Linux UAE]

I am interested in Platform development, porting and packaging , waiting for
OBS to open and core code to be available
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 7:37 PM, lucas azevedo wrote:

>
>> >
>> >
>> > There is little info for a newbie to startup
>> working on
>> > MeeGo from the meego.com website. Where can I find more
>> info &
>> > doc to instruct me to steup the enviroment, compile the
>> kernel,
>> > test in kernel/service/app?
>> >   Please help, thx
>>
>>
>> We are still preparing the developer documentation for the first MeeGo
>> release. The information currently available can be found at
>> http://wiki.meego.com/Documentation_backlog
>>
>> Note that meego-dev focuses in the development of MeeGo itself. Support
>> for application developers is offered in these channels where you might get
>> more answers:
>>
>> Application developer support forum
>> http://forum.meego.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3
>>
>> meego-sdk mailing list
>> http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-sdk
>>
>> --
>> Quim Gil + N900
>> open source advocate
>> MeeGo Devices @ Nokia
>
>
> Actually, I'm interested in both developing MeeGo applications and MeeGo
> itself. Thanks for the info :)
>
> Kind Regards,
> Lucas Azevedo
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Re: [MeeGo-dev] how to start developing on MeeGo?

[lucas azevedo]

>
>
> >
> >
> > There is little info for a newbie to startup
> working on
> > MeeGo from the meego.com website. Where can I find more
> info &
> > doc to instruct me to steup the enviroment, compile the
> kernel,
> > test in kernel/service/app?
> >   Please help, thx
>
>
> We are still preparing the developer documentation for the first MeeGo
> release. The information currently available can be found at
> http://wiki.meego.com/Documentation_backlog
>
> Note that meego-dev focuses in the development of MeeGo itself. Support for
> application developers is offered in these channels where you might get more
> answers:
>
> Application developer support forum
> http://forum.meego.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3
>
> meego-sdk mailing list
> http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-sdk
>
> --
> Quim Gil + N900
> open source advocate
> MeeGo Devices @ Nokia


Actually, I'm interested in both developing MeeGo applications and MeeGo
itself. Thanks for the info :)

Kind Regards,
Lucas Azevedo
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Re: [MeeGo-dev] how to start developing on MeeGo?

[quim.gil]

Hi,

> 
> 
>                         There is little info for a newbie to startup working 
>on
>                 MeeGo from the meego.com website. Where can I find more info &
>                 doc to instruct me to steup the enviroment, compile the 
>kernel,
>                 test in kernel/service/app?
>                       Please help, thx


We are still preparing the developer documentation for the first MeeGo release. 
The information currently available can be found at 
http://wiki.meego.com/Documentation_backlog

Note that meego-dev focuses in the development of MeeGo itself. Support for 
application developers is offered in these channels where you might get more 
answers:

Application developer support forum
http://forum.meego.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3

meego-sdk mailing list
http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-sdk

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Re: [MeeGo-dev] how to start developing on MeeGo?

[Sebastian Peña]

I am also a newbie on this, I am really interesting on developing thing on
MeeGo for cellphones (Like N900) but I am very confused where I have to
start to put a Development environment working. Also I would like to help on
the development of MeeGo.
So, any help would be very appreciated.

Regards.


Seba.


2010/4/15 lucas azevedo 

>
> There is little info for a newbie to startup working on MeeGo from the
>> meego.com website. Where can I find more info & doc to instruct me to
>> steup the enviroment, compile the kernel, test in kernel/service/app?
>>Please help, thx
>>
>
> Same here. I would be very thankful if someone could tell me where I can
> find such information.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
> Lucas Azevedo
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Re: [MeeGo-dev] how to start developing on MeeGo?

[lucas azevedo]

> There is little info for a newbie to startup working on MeeGo from the
> meego.com website. Where can I find more info & doc to instruct me to
> steup the enviroment, compile the kernel, test in kernel/service/app?
>Please help, thx
>

Same here. I would be very thankful if someone could tell me where I can
find such information.


Kind Regards,
Lucas Azevedo
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Re: [MeeGo-dev] [Meego-community] Proposal for Best Practices for working in a MeeGo team

[Robin Burchell]

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Carsten Munk  wrote:
> I have put together a proposal for best practices for working in a
> MeeGo team. Quoting my foreword:

Great to see this, Carsten! I know that a number of people on a number
of projects on a number of occasions (myself included) have been
frustrated by one or more of the items you've very carefully laid out
here, so I think this is a constructive, good way forward.

> Instead of pointing out how each team is doing it wrong and each and
> every problem, it was cooked down to this proposal, so we can have
> something to point to when things aren't being as open as it should be
> - which is effectively blocking public R&D as intended.

Also constructive. I don't think public naming and shaming (at this
point) is going to get anything helpful done - a lot of things are
still very much in a transitional phase, and some people involved in
MeeGo at this point doubtless need a little help to become better OSS
citizens. I think setting a public 'best practice' and privately
poking people when they don't conform to it will be a good first step.
A lot of the reason this might not have been happening as much as is
desired so far is down to inertia - at least, I hope this is the
reason.

>
+1 to everything there.

> Please keep responses related to the proposal, don't let it become a flamewar.
+100. ;)


> Regards,
> Carsten Munk
> maemo.org distmaster

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[MeeGo-dev] Proposal for Best Practices for working in a MeeGo team

[Carsten Munk]

I have put together a proposal for best practices for working in a
MeeGo team. Quoting my foreword:

This is a DRAFT proposal for TSG eventually to consider, in order to
encourage or establish policy of best practices for working should be
like for MeeGo groups, teams, WGs, appointed groups of people. In the
following, team/group/WGs/appointed groups of people is shorted to
'team'.

Instead of pointing out how each team is doing it wrong and each and
every problem, it was cooked down to this proposal, so we can have
something to point to when things aren't being as open as it should be
- which is effectively blocking public R&D as intended.

These simple Do's and Don'ts were supposed to be obvious, but we are
not seeing this happen in practice, hence this proposal. The scope of
these practices is any team organised underneath the MeeGo umbrella
which works with the public MeeGo project.

The proposal can be found at:

http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_Best_Practices_for_working_in_a_MeeGo_team

Comments/changes/constructive criticism are welcome. My hope is to get
it tabled for next TSG meeting (Wed. 21 april 2010) as a policy
decision, with emphasis on that henceforth teams should operate with
best practices.

We are seeing a lot of secrecy and non-public development which is
effectively harming the project and I personally think that TSG should
lead the way and point out this is not how things are supposed to be.

Instead of ranting over and over on issues and cases, let us tackle
this problem early, directly and constructively. We're supposed to do
public R&D between many different individuals and companies - not only
R&D between Nokia and Intel and those contractually involved with
them.

Please keep responses related to the proposal, don't let it become a flamewar.

Regards,
Carsten Munk
maemo.org distmaster
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Re: [MeeGo-dev] Talking about User interfaces

[Marco Martin]

On Thursday 15 April 2010, ezjd wrote:
> Thanks for sharing these important KDE information!
> 
> As a long time KDE user (not developer though :( ), I have been hoping we
> can see places of KDE on embedded device and I even talked with KDE guys
> about it when KDE 4.0 was just released. Although KDE team was busy shaping
> up KDE 4.X at that time, it seems KDE team have more time working on mobile
> world now.
> 
> I really like the way KDE is doing UI framework: one framework fitting all,

thanks :)

> but 1st question is how streamline KDE (or KDE SC :) ) can be? Actually it
> is also a question for MeeGo as the "core platform" already has >300MiB
> rootfs.

well, i can answer for the KDE side: our goal is to make possible a build of 
Plasma with a minimum amount of KDElibs. since some pieces of KDElibs (and its 
dependencies) are specifically useful just in a desktop scenario.
in the kde-core-devel mailinglist there a discussion right now on what ro 
remove and how.

> 
> Seems MeeGo will do something different according to architecture as each
> UX will have its own UI framework, i.e., my understanding is that an
> application specific to one UX will need some kind of porting (UI rewrite?)
> to work on another unless it is plain Qt application.

i didn't exactly understood if those are exactly the plans, but, that's what 
we really would like to avoid, because there is a lot more to share than just 
the Qt libraries

> Another question for both KDE and MeeGo is how QML (Qt Quick) fits in the
> whole picture? Will it be just another supported "program language" like
> python or javascript? Or will it be the primary way to develop MeeGo
> application (probably it won't for KDE)? I do like the way QML handles UI
> design after trying out Qt 4.7/Qt Creator 2.0 TP, btw.

Ah, qml, that's an interesting part i forgotten in my original email :)
In the end, QML generates items that will go in a QGraphicsview, so we already 
started to look at an itegration with the existing Plasma library.
actually, the Plasma Mobile shell that can be seen in some of the videos i 
linked already usues QML to manage soe of its animations.
it's really easy to mix part of the ui written in qml with other parts r even 
better, bind a previously existent widget set as elements in QML (and some 
modifications in qml are being done expliitly to make this easier), this will 
ensure while maintaining the coherent look and feel of an already done widget 
set and theme look, you have the ease of use of designing the ui with QML

Chees,
Marco Martin
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Re: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Security

[Zhao, Passion]

This is really good idea to collaborate with community to improve Meego 
security!

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-Original Message-
From: meego-dev-boun...@meego.com [mailto:meego-dev-boun...@meego.com] On 
Behalf Of Ware, Ryan R
Sent: 2010年4月15日 2:08
To: Bernd Stramm; David Greaves
Cc: MeeGo Dev List
Subject: Re: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Security

On 4/14/10 10:05 AM, "Bernd Stramm"  wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 09:37 +0100, David Greaves wrote:
>> ...devices that are highly likely to form the next generation of currency.
> 
> Indeed that has been seriously proposed.
> 
> Should there be a working group for security? Or perhaps a less formal
> group?
> 

For the moment, I believe we should be less formal although as the community
grows I can definitely see the call for a formal working group.

I plan on reviewing security aspects of MeeGo more broadly with the
community.  If you're on this list and would specifically like to be
included in any security discussions, please let me know.  While I've been
doing product security at Intel for many years, I definitely want to work
with this community and can also use all the help I can get!

Ryan

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[MeeGo-dev] test

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