Re: [MeeGo-dev] Top Application in Meego Tablet
Got it.Thank you very much! Actually, I have found that I can use QDialog to simulate an icon and place on the top of the other programs.(PS: I am develop my application on the Meego Tablet Platform). -- View this message in context: http://meego-dev.390449.n3.nabble.com/MeeGo-dev-Top-Application-in-Meego-Tablet-tp2951349p3199596.html Sent from the meego-dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ MeeGo-dev mailing list MeeGo-dev@meego.com http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-dev http://wiki.meego.com/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [MeeGo-dev] Top Application in Meego Tablet
On 07/20/11 16:16, ext zhchbin wrote:
Sorry, I am a fresh man to the mail list.The question is how to create
"Top Application in Meego Tablet".
"Actually our design is such that we need to display a top application
which will display wi-fi status, time etc just like status bar in
tablet is displayed where date, time ,signal strength etc are
displayed. How such application is designed in tablet then ? "
If you are using the Meegotouch System UI daemon(*, you could modify
that to display another info in the status area/bar.
The traditional way to do that is to show a window with window type
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DOCK, which would tell the window manager to reserve
space for it from the desktop so that other windows do not come on top
of it. Unfortunately, mcompositor (window manager) does not support
this at the moment because the status area is drawn inside applications
themselves, using a shared pixmap from the System UI daemon.
Perhaps the easiest way is to replace the window manager to something
more traditional.
*)https://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-systemui
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Andre Klapper [via meego-dev] <[hidden
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On Wed, 2011-07-20 at 06:04 -0700, zhchbin wrote:
> How is this problem going on?
See the rest of the thread.
> I have the same question while making my
> applicaiton. Can you help me?
I don't know, as I don't know what "same question" you have.
Please elaborate and just ask. :)
andre
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Re: [MeeGo-dev] Top Application in Meego Tablet
Sorry, I am a fresh man to the mail list.The question is how to create "Top Application in Meego Tablet". "Actually our design is such that we need to display a top application which will display wi-fi status, time etc just like status bar in tablet is displayed where date, time ,signal strength etc are displayed. How such application is designed in tablet then ? " On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Andre Klapper [via meego-dev] < ml-node+3185396-1633390618-416...@n3.nabble.com> wrote: > On Wed, 2011-07-20 at 06:04 -0700, zhchbin wrote: > > How is this problem going on? > > See the rest of the thread. > > > I have the same question while making my > > applicaiton. Can you help me? > > I don't know, as I don't know what "same question" you have. > Please elaborate and just ask. :) > > andre > -- > Andre Klapper (maemo.org bugmaster | MeeGo QA) > http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ | http://www.openismus.com > > ___ > MeeGo-dev mailing list > [hidden email] <http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=3185396&i=0> > http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-dev > http://wiki.meego.com/Mailing_list_guidelines > > > ---------- > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > > http://meego-dev.390449.n3.nabble.com/MeeGo-dev-Top-Application-in-Meego-Tablet-tp2951349p3185396.html > To unsubscribe from [MeeGo-dev] Top Application in Meego Tablet, click > here<http://meego-dev.390449.n3.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_code&node=2951349&code=emhjaGJpbkBnbWFpbC5jb218Mjk1MTM0OXwyMzI5OTY5NTE=>. > > -- View this message in context: http://meego-dev.390449.n3.nabble.com/MeeGo-dev-Top-Application-in-Meego-Tablet-tp2951349p3185408.html Sent from the meego-dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.___ MeeGo-dev mailing list MeeGo-dev@meego.com http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-dev http://wiki.meego.com/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [MeeGo-dev] Top Application in Meego Tablet
On Wed, 2011-07-20 at 06:04 -0700, zhchbin wrote: > How is this problem going on? See the rest of the thread. > I have the same question while making my > applicaiton. Can you help me? I don't know, as I don't know what "same question" you have. Please elaborate and just ask. :) andre -- Andre Klapper (maemo.org bugmaster | MeeGo QA) http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ | http://www.openismus.com ___ MeeGo-dev mailing list MeeGo-dev@meego.com http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-dev http://wiki.meego.com/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [MeeGo-dev] Top Application in Meego Tablet
How is this problem going on? I have the same question while making my applicaiton. Can you help me? -- View this message in context: http://meego-dev.390449.n3.nabble.com/MeeGo-dev-Top-Application-in-Meego-Tablet-tp2951349p3185381.html Sent from the meego-dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ MeeGo-dev mailing list MeeGo-dev@meego.com http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-dev http://wiki.meego.com/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [MeeGo-dev] Top Application in Meego Tablet
On 5/27/2011 5:37 PM, Niels Mayer wrote: On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 7:25 AM, Arjan van de Ven wrote: I'm pretty sure the answer is that the concept of "top application" outright does not exist. Assuming we're talking the Window System "X" and its standards, then yes it does exist, and has existed for a long time -- in a standard-bearing form since OSF/Motif and CDE (e.g. XmDIALOG_SYSTEM_MODAL ). Freedesktop.org has updated the original architecture. However, it certainly is a concept that exists in X windows. (how else would "always keep window on top" be implemented in many desktops, or tool panels, etc). It is concerning to me, after the attending the recent conference, that MeeGo may be adding nonstandard extensions and functionality to the window manager (for video). So it would be nice to understand the official MeeGo position on working within accepted norms of X Windows and X Window Manager Protocols. And if they're being extended, that "upstream" agrees with the wisdom of the extensions. Having worked with X window managers since the very beginning, (prior having worked on X10 which didn't have the concept of a separate window manager), this is not the sort of thing that should be extended or overloaded in a cavalier fashion, even for a new paradigm like "Tablet." I think the short answer is that the concept does not make sense in the UI design, so the hint is ignored. the longer answer is that with the rapid move to Wayland... does it even matter what Motif did? That whole layer is about to be thrown out. ___ MeeGo-dev mailing list MeeGo-dev@meego.com http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-dev http://wiki.meego.com/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [MeeGo-dev] Top Application in Meego Tablet
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 7:25 AM, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > I'm pretty sure the answer is that the concept of "top application" outright > does not exist. Assuming we're talking the Window System "X" and its standards, then yes it does exist, and has existed for a long time -- in a standard-bearing form since OSF/Motif and CDE (e.g. XmDIALOG_SYSTEM_MODAL ). Freedesktop.org has updated the original architecture. However, it certainly is a concept that exists in X windows. (how else would "always keep window on top" be implemented in many desktops, or tool panels, etc). It is concerning to me, after the attending the recent conference, that MeeGo may be adding nonstandard extensions and functionality to the window manager (for video). So it would be nice to understand the official MeeGo position on working within accepted norms of X Windows and X Window Manager Protocols. And if they're being extended, that "upstream" agrees with the wisdom of the extensions. Having worked with X window managers since the very beginning, (prior having worked on X10 which didn't have the concept of a separate window manager), this is not the sort of thing that should be extended or overloaded in a cavalier fashion, even for a new paradigm like "Tablet." For more info, regarding the standard window types and their behavior, see below: http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-1.4.html#id2551529 /// _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE, ATOM[]/32 This SHOULD be set by the Client before mapping to a list of atoms indicating the functional type of the window. This property SHOULD be used by the window manager in determining the decoration, stacking position and other behavior of the window. The Client SHOULD specify window types in order of preference (the first being most preferable) but MUST include at least one of the basic window type atoms from the list below. This is to allow for extension of the list of types whilst providing default behavior for Window Managers that do not recognize the extensions. Rationale: This hint is intended to replace the MOTIF hints. One of the objections to the MOTIF hints is that they are a purely visual description of the window decoration. By describing the function of the window, the Window Manager can apply consistent decoration and behavior to windows of the same type. Possible examples of behavior include keeping dock/panels on top or allowing pinnable menus / toolbars to only be hidden when another window has focus (NextStep style). _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP, ATOM _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DOCK, ATOM _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_TOOLBAR, ATOM _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_MENU, ATOM _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_UTILITY, ATOM _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_SPLASH, ATOM _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DIALOG, ATOM _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL, ATOM _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP indicates a desktop feature. This can include a single window containing desktop icons with the same dimensions as the screen, allowing the desktop environment to have full control of the desktop, without the need for proxying root window clicks. _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DOCK indicates a dock or panel feature. Typically a Window Manager would keep such windows on top of all other windows. _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_TOOLBAR and _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_MENU indicate toolbar and pinnable menu windows, respectively (i.e. toolbars and menus "torn off" from the main application). Windows of this type may set the WM_TRANSIENT_FOR hint indicating the main application window. _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_UTILITY indicates a small persistent utility window, such as a palette or toolbox. It is distinct from type TOOLBAR because it does not correspond to a toolbar torn off from the main application. It's distinct from type DIALOG because it isn't a transient dialog, the user will probably keep it open while they're working. Windows of this type may set the WM_TRANSIENT_FOR hint indicating the main application window. _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_SPLASH indicates that the window is a splash screen displayed as an application is starting up. _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DIALOG indicates that this is a dialog window. If _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE is not set, then windows with WM_TRANSIENT_FOR set MUST be taken as this type. _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL indicates that this is a normal, top-level window. Windows with neither _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE nor WM_TRANSIENT_FOR set MUST be taken as this type. /// Specifically, http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-1.4.html#id2505639 / Layered stacking order Some window managers keep the toplevel windows not in a single linear stack, but subdivide the stack into several layers. There is a lot of variation among the features of layered stacking order implementations. The number of layers may or may not be fixed. The layer of a toplevel window may be explicit and directly modifiable or derived from other properties of the window, e.g. the type of the window. The stacking order may or may not be strict, i.e. not all
Re: [MeeGo-dev] Top Application in Meego Tablet
Hi Arjan, Thanks for your response. Actually our design is such that we need to display a top application which will display wi-fi status, time etc just like status bar in tablet is displayed where date, time ,signal strength etc are displayed. How such application is designed in tablet then ? Thanks and Regards, Vivek Talwar From: meego-dev-boun...@meego.com [meego-dev-boun...@meego.com] On Behalf Of Arjan van de Ven [ar...@linux.intel.com] Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 7:55 PM To: Vivek Talwar Cc: meego-dev@meego.com Subject: Re: [MeeGo-dev] Top Application in Meego Tablet On 5/23/2011 2:30 AM, Vivek Talwar wrote: > Hi Rusty, > Top Application means the UI Application which stays on top of other > applications . We generally do this in Qt by setting windows flag "stay on > top". So what we have observed in Meego tablet version > "meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.2.80.0.20110503.2" the top application is > hidden for couple of seconds whenever we make some other application which is > not top application. This behavior was not in earlier meego netbook versions. > I'm pretty sure the answer is that the concept of "top application" outright does not exist. There is only one application visible at a time in the design, and the window manager decides which app that is. Some application deciding to want to override that with a "top" hint... not very nice at all. if MeeGo does not ignore this hint, that'd be a bug... we should just outright ignore it. ___ MeeGo-dev mailing list MeeGo-dev@meego.com http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-dev http://wiki.meego.com/Mailing_list_guidelines CONFIDENTIAL AND PROPRIETARY INFORMATION NOTICE: The information contained in and/or attached to this e-mail is Confidential and Proprietary Information of frog design Inc. and its operating companies and subsidiaries. This information is intended only for the confidential use of the person(s) designated above. If this message has reached a person or persons not designated above, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you are not a designated recipient, please notify frog design Inc. immediately by reply e-mail and delete the original message together with any and all attachments. "DISCLAIMER: This message is proprietary to the Aricent Group and is intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged or confidential information and should not be circulated or used for any purpose other than for what it is intended. If you have received this message in error, please notify the originator immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that you are strictly prohibited from using, copying, altering, or disclosing the contents of this message. The Aricent Group accepts no responsibility for loss or damage arising from the use of the information transmitted by this email including damage from virus." ___ MeeGo-dev mailing list MeeGo-dev@meego.com http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-dev http://wiki.meego.com/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [MeeGo-dev] Top Application in Meego Tablet
On 5/23/2011 2:30 AM, Vivek Talwar wrote: Hi Rusty, Top Application means the UI Application which stays on top of other applications . We generally do this in Qt by setting windows flag "stay on top". So what we have observed in Meego tablet version "meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.2.80.0.20110503.2" the top application is hidden for couple of seconds whenever we make some other application which is not top application. This behavior was not in earlier meego netbook versions. I'm pretty sure the answer is that the concept of "top application" outright does not exist. There is only one application visible at a time in the design, and the window manager decides which app that is. Some application deciding to want to override that with a "top" hint... not very nice at all. if MeeGo does not ignore this hint, that'd be a bug... we should just outright ignore it. ___ MeeGo-dev mailing list MeeGo-dev@meego.com http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-dev http://wiki.meego.com/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [MeeGo-dev] Top Application in Meego Tablet
Hi Rusty, Top Application means the UI Application which stays on top of other applications . We generally do this in Qt by setting windows flag "stay on top". So what we have observed in Meego tablet version "meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.2.80.0.20110503.2" the top application is hidden for couple of seconds whenever we make some other application which is not top application. This behavior was not in earlier meego netbook versions. Thanks and Regards, Vivek Talwar From: Rusty Lynch [rusty.ly...@intel.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 11:35 PM To: Vivek Talwar Cc: meego-dev@meego.com Subject: Re: [MeeGo-dev] Top Application in Meego Tablet On 05/16/2011 11:06 PM, Vivek Talwar wrote: > Hi All, >I have some queries on Meego's Top Application. Qt/Qml top > applications in Meego tablet version are behaving differently. In meego > tablet, the top application is taking a short span of time say around 1-2 > second while displaying which is little annoying. Although such behavior is > not in any netbook or handset version of meego. I have some queries regarding > same below: > > I'm not understanding the question. Are you talking about /usr/bin/top, or the foreground application (i.e. what ever app is on the top of the window stacking order)? And 'taking a short span of time'? --rusty CONFIDENTIAL AND PROPRIETARY INFORMATION NOTICE: The information contained in and/or attached to this e-mail is Confidential and Proprietary Information of frog design Inc. and its operating companies and subsidiaries. This information is intended only for the confidential use of the person(s) designated above. If this message has reached a person or persons not designated above, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you are not a designated recipient, please notify frog design Inc. immediately by reply e-mail and delete the original message together with any and all attachments. "DISCLAIMER: This message is proprietary to the Aricent Group and is intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged or confidential information and should not be circulated or used for any purpose other than for what it is intended. If you have received this message in error, please notify the originator immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that you are strictly prohibited from using, copying, altering, or disclosing the contents of this message. The Aricent Group accepts no responsibility for loss or damage arising from the use of the information transmitted by this email including damage from virus." ___ MeeGo-dev mailing list MeeGo-dev@meego.com http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-dev http://wiki.meego.com/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [MeeGo-dev] Top Application in Meego Tablet
On 05/16/2011 11:06 PM, Vivek Talwar wrote: Hi All, I have some queries on Meego's Top Application. Qt/Qml top applications in Meego tablet version are behaving differently. In meego tablet, the top application is taking a short span of time say around 1-2 second while displaying which is little annoying. Although such behavior is not in any netbook or handset version of meego. I have some queries regarding same below: I'm not understanding the question. Are you talking about /usr/bin/top, or the foreground application (i.e. what ever app is on the top of the window stacking order)? And 'taking a short span of time'? --rusty ___ MeeGo-dev mailing list MeeGo-dev@meego.com http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-dev http://wiki.meego.com/Mailing_list_guidelines
[MeeGo-dev] Top Application in Meego Tablet
Hi All, I have some queries on Meego's Top Application. Qt/Qml top applications in Meego tablet version are behaving differently. In meego tablet, the top application is taking a short span of time say around 1-2 second while displaying which is little annoying. Although such behavior is not in any netbook or handset version of meego. I have some queries regarding same below: 1. Is this is due to some theme in Meego tablet ? 2. How meegotouch applications are developed? Thanks and Regards, Vivek Talwar "DISCLAIMER: This message is proprietary to the Aricent Group and is intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged or confidential information and should not be circulated or used for any purpose other than for what it is intended. If you have received this message in error, please notify the originator immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that you are strictly prohibited from using, copying, altering, or disclosing the contents of this message. The Aricent Group accepts no responsibility for loss or damage arising from the use of the information transmitted by this email including damage from virus." ___ MeeGo-dev mailing list MeeGo-dev@meego.com http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-dev http://wiki.meego.com/Mailing_list_guidelines
