Re: [MBZ] A/C on the cheap (126, 210, 124)

[Rich Thomas]

If I recall, the flame front on propane is lower than on gasoline, so 
you get less of a whack when it goes off, more of a whump, not that it 
would matter much I suppose, but it might be less dangerous.


Imagine driving a car around with 20 gallons of that really nasty 
explosive poisonous stuff onboard -- man that is one scary thought!


--R (half veggie oil driven)

David Brodbeck wrote:


R A Bennell wrote:
 


Propane makes me nervous. If the heater
core thingy leaks inside the car, won't the propane be heavy enough that it may 
settle near the floor. Then a spark might ignite it??
 
   



You'd smell it long before it reached an explosive mixture.

Gasoline vapors are also heavier than air, and will burn over a much
wider range of mixtures, BTW.


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Re: [MBZ] B727 arrivals

[Peter Frederick]

I haven't seen one for years now, don't even remember the last time I 
did.  All 757s and 737s for Boeings, even DC-9s (and derivatives) are 
fading away, at least where I fly (easter US these days).


Peter
On Aug 3, 2006, at 10:59 PM, George Gregory wrote:


I didn't know 727s were out of service.  When did this happen?


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They are out of service for two reasons -- noise (minor) and severe
fuel consumption problems.  Not really possible to remove the center
engine and rebuild the tail so you could put CFM-56's on it, and I
suspect the 757/767 classes have better wings, too.  Same fuselage on
the 757/737 anyway, no change there.  I suspect there are airflow
problems with large bypass engines stuck on the sides of the rear
fuselage, too -- no one has put them there since the 60's, and I don't
believe any were high bypass designs, either.



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Re: [MBZ] Toyota vs. GM was Re: Anyone Have Carfax?

[Rick Knoble]

Unfortunately, though I agree with you about their deserving to go the way
of the dodo, the plain fact is that they are simply too huge to die. You
cannot put a company that large out of business except by government 
action,

not to my knowledge anyway.


Ever hear of Bethlehem Steel? LTV Steel? National Steel? AMC? Builders 
Square? Pan-Am,The Ottoman Empire, The Roman Empire, The Third Reich, The 
dinosaurs. Nothing is too big to die.

Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT

Re: [MBZ] Klima

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that Jim wrote:

> Finding a replacement relay may
> be difficult, the junkbox relays are all much larger than that one.

Check out Mouser Electronics.
http://www.mouser.com

They have a pretty good selection - and no minimum order and fair
shipping fees.

Or post dimentions, pinout, and ratings and we'll all dig through our
junk boxes and sent you a relay as payment for all the reverse
engineering your doing that's benefiting us.

> It appears that the resoldering job was successful, but the patient
> died anyway.

Fortunatly, no brain damage will result from taking an extra week or
two to revive it! *grin*

--Philip, with more tha 3 (dozen?) relays in the junk box

Re: [MBZ] Powersteering pump cross?

[Marshall Booth]

Curt Raymond wrote:

Does anybody know what w201 powersteering pumps I can use on my '85 190D 2.2l?
The list dad hasn't gotten back to me so I presume he hasn't got one. Mercedes 
Source has one from a 2.3l for $40 which sounds like a pretty good deal to me.



The 190D & 190E pumps were the same at least thru June of '85. Newer 
pumps might not be satisfactory (they have different pressure ratings 
and are valved differently). The earlier ones have a black ID plate 
color while the later ones have a green ID plate color.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota vs. GM was Re: Anyone Have Carfax?

[Steve MacSween]

Unfortunately, though I agree with you about their deserving to go the way
of the dodo, the plain fact is that they are simply too huge to die. You
cannot put a company that large out of business except by government action,
not to my knowledge anyway.

I wager Ford will be the one to go. One of the major companies has to.

The world is awash in new cars that the companies are virtually giving away,
and in doing so they are increasingly slitting their own throats as the new
car incentives make the late-model trade-ins and lease returns unattractive
to finance.

The situation has to resolve soon, if only because it must be a nightmare
for the accountants. Right now Ford is accomplishing this by inflating its
parts prices beyond all concept. You simply cannot imagine (unless you've
bought Ford parts lately) how ridiculous some of it is, way beyond even
late-model Mercedes. Try $2500 for a Mustang convertible rear quarter window
(the little one).

Something's got to break, there's way too much water in behind the dam.

Mac

on 8/4/06 12:43 PM, Jeff Zedic at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Nothing can save GM. They have decades to build a better product and
> they've squandered every chance they got. And then t add lunacy to the
> mix,they've built their while "recovery" on their new SUV's
> 
> Dumb dumb dumb!
> 
> 
> Jeff Zedic
> 87 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] A/C on the cheap (126, 210, 124)

[R A Bennell]

Only days at this point. We shall see how long it lasts but it is nice to have 
AC again. I could have had R12 and
was very tempted but it would have cost a couple of hundred bucks and the odds 
of it lasting longterm were probably
minimal at best.  Did this same conversion a couple of years ago on a 1988 
Honda Accord and it lasted the summer
and had some left in the spring but would have needed another charge to blow 
cold. On that car, we didn't fix it
again as the transmission gave up and I did not want to invest any more in it. 
Sold it for $200 and haven't
regretted it. Winters are pretty hard on AC in Manitoba. When it gets to minus 
35 C, things contract and leaks in
older vehicles are not uncommon. I had to redo the AC in my 86 Suburban on a 
regular basis and it was all R12 then.

Randy

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Hi Randy,
How long has the 134 conversion been in place?

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- Original Message -
From: "R A Bennell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] A/C on the cheap (126, 210, 124)


> What is wrong with a 134 conversion? I bought the kit a WalMart for $33
> and it seems to be working fine so far. 3
> can of 134 included with a couple of adapter doodads and a guage-hose
> doodad to fill with. My wife's younger
> brother is a mechanic. He came by with a vaccuum pump and evacuated the
> system and then filled it using the kit
> stuff. Time will tell how long it lasts I guess but the price was right.
> Propane makes me nervous. If the heater
> core thingy leaks inside the car, won't the propane be heavy enough that
> it may settle near the floor. Then a spark
> might ignite it??
>
> Randy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Fmiser
> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:34 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] A/C on the cheap (126, 210, 124)
>
>
> rumor has it that Zeitgeist wrote:
>
>> My Vanagon has some
>> residual R12 in the system (~30psi), but I have no intention of
>> attempting to procure more of that liquid gold.  Can I top up the
>> system with Cathey's hotsauce (isobutane/propane), or must I
>> evacuate first?  I've heard you're not supposed to mix refrigerants,
>> but can these be added together?
>
> The EPA doesn't want you to mix them 'cause then they can't tell which
> law you are breaking if you screw up.
>
> But there is no physics reason (that I know of...) _not_ to mix them.
>
> --  Philip, EPA 609 license holder (what a joke!)
>
>
>
>

Re: [MBZ] [MBZ WAS ] Anyone Have Carfax? NOW mileage issues

[R A Bennell]

Well maybe - the 1968 Chevy is a long box regular cab with a 292 inline 6 and a 
powerglide but it is 2 wheel drive.
The 98 is a short box regular cab with a 4.2 V6 and a manual 5 speed but it is 
4 wheel drive. The newer truck does
better on fuel but not all that much. The aerodynamics of the 68 are pretty 
bad. It is like the windshield is
verticle.
I really can't help but think that the newer truck should be able to do better. 
My example relates to 2 Fords owned
in the past. We had a 1977 Mercury Monarch with a 250 inline 6 that never did 
better than about 18 mpg (Imp gallons
in Canada) and later a 1986 Taurus that would do 36 mpg. They were both about 
the same size and I assume similar
weight. The Taurus had an overdrive transmission and fuel injection etc. It was 
more aerodynamic as well obviously
as the Monarch was pretty boxy. I wonder why they have not been able to make 
similar gains with trucks. Weight,
gearing, size, etc all have an effect I admit but surely the same was true for 
the cars and they did improve. What
am I missing?

Randy

-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone Have Carfax?


R A Bennell wrote:
> There is still a place for the larger vehicles. We just need for the car 
> makers to try harder. My old 68 Chevy
> pickup does almost as well as my 98 Ford pickup on fuel. Something is wrong 
> there.

Compare the weight of the two trucks and I bet you'll find out why.
Pickups have really porked up over the years, mostly because of a demand
for more interior comfort and better handling.

Re: [MBZ] Toyota vs. GM was Re: Anyone Have Carfax?

[Jeff Zedic]

Nothing can save GM. They have decades to build a better product and 
they've squandered every chance they got. And then t add lunacy to the 
mix,they've built their while "recovery" on their new SUV's


Dumb dumb dumb!


Jeff Zedic
87 300TD

Re: [MBZ] Klima

[Jim Cathey]

wouldn't bridge pins 9 and 11 (?) to switch on the compressor even


5 & 7.  9 & 11 are the tachometer feedback.


I don't feel so bad about having subjected the thing to my hamfisted
soldering now!


That's fine.  Don't do it again!  :-)

Anybody got more dead Klimas to donate to the cause of understanding?
We have a sample of one that appeared to have bad solder joints
(pre-Alex), but _certainly_ had an open (cooked?) relay coil.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Klima

[Alex Chamberlain]

On 8/4/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Freakish, the repaired electronics work fine, but the relay itself is
defective.  You don't see that too often.  Maybe it got cooked?  I
removed it and then when I measured the resistance it had gone up to
nearly an open circuit.  Finding a replacement relay may be difficult,
the junkbox relays are all much larger than that one.


Great diagnostic work, Jim!  That seems to tentatively explain why
when the unit was in my car, the kickdown function worked fine, but it
wouldn't bridge pins 9 and 11 (?) to switch on the compressor even
though all the inputs at the socket seemed appropriate (per the test
procedure in the FSM).



It appears that the resoldering job was successful, but the patient
died anyway.



I don't feel so bad about having subjected the thing to my hamfisted
soldering now!

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper

[MBZ] Toyota vs. GM was Re: Anyone Have Carfax?

[Rick Knoble]

- Original Message - 

Remember that Toyota is poised to surpass GM as the largest automaker on 
the planet.
 Thats Toyota, Lexus and Scion vs Chevrolet, GMC, Buick, Pontiac, 
Cadillac, Hummer, Saab, and Saturn.


 Wasn't it also the crazy chairman of Toyota (could have been Honda) that 
said to save GM they'd raise prices on each car...


It was Toyota. I think it was more to make money than to save GM, but that 
IS what they said. It doesn't look like it worked.

Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT 

Re: [MBZ] Klima

[Jim Cathey]

Put the sick apparently-not-yet-repaired Klima on the bench.  (Also
brought in the good one from the car.)  Began tracing the schematic.
Measured the tachometer input on the car, the Fluke says it's about
1800 Hz at 3V at idle.  The Klima seems to react at about 800 Hz, as
soon as that frequency is applied on the bench the kickdown relay
activates, allowing the kickdown switch to work.  The good Klima will
activate the compressor clutch relay for a few seconds when the input
pin (10) is grounded, it then cuts it off because the compressor
tachometer input is not running.  The bad one doesn't react to the
input pin.  The COP processors seem to get about a 376 kHz clock,
they _are_ running: there's plenty of wobbly signals on their
pins.  The small COP425 gets a direct copy of the engine tachometer
signal, after being signal conditioned, so for there to be any
reaction I deduce that at least it is working.  I got to probing
around, and I found that the transistor drive to the compressor
relay _was_ getting a correct signal, so I measured the relay's
coil resistance.  500 ohms.  The kickdown relay has a 70 ohm coil.
Freakish, the repaired electronics work fine, but the relay itself is
defective.  You don't see that too often.  Maybe it got cooked?  I
removed it and then when I measured the resistance it had gone up to
nearly an open circuit.  Finding a replacement relay may be difficult,
the junkbox relays are all much larger than that one.

It appears that the resoldering job was successful, but the patient
died anyway.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Anyone Have Carfax?

[Curt Raymond]

Remember that Toyota is poised to surpass GM as the largest automaker on the 
planet.
  Thats Toyota, Lexus and Scion vs Chevrolet, GMC, Buick, Pontiac, Cadillac, 
Hummer, Saab, and Saturn.
   
  Wasn't it also the crazy chairman of Toyota (could have been Honda) that said 
to save GM they'd raise prices on each car...
   
  Also lets point out that Toyota makes money, Ford doesn't...
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 18:50:34 -0700
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To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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Fine, so the reporter is playing games with the statistics, likely he  
should have picked a comparable Ford SUV, versus a monster Ford 
vehicle.
However it's clear from the number less folks are pulling boats this  
month because few boat pulling expeditions have been bought.

On 3-Aug-06, at 9:07 AM, R A Bennell wrote:

> So, how do you pull a boat behind your Rav4??
>
> I also wonder how many Sequoias Toyota sold at double the price of  
> a Ford. Toyotas aren't bad. We have a 4Runner
> and an Avalon but they are not without problems either- rust being  
> one of them. Our poor 4Runner is being consumed.
>
> There is still a place for the larger vehicles. We just need for  
> the car makers to try harder. My old 68 Chevy
> pickup does almost as well as my 98 Ford pickup on fuel. Something  
> is wrong there. All of this modern technology is
> not really helping fuel economy on trucks. Cars have become much  
> better but the trucks really haven't improved much
> in my experience.
>
> Randy
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John M McIntosh
> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 5:31 PM
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone Have Carfax?
>
>
> Ya, which is why the WSJ reported yesterday.
>
> One example of how Toyota has turned the tables on Ford: Toyota's
> redesigned RAV 4, a compact wagon that can average 25 miles per
> gallon, outsold Ford's 15-mpg V-8 powered Expedition SUV 14,755 to
> 6,705. Last July, the Expedition sold 15,733 to the RAV 4's 7,394.
>
>

John
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I found Corrosion Block on the Defender website (nothing close on the West M 
site)
http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|10918|309314|309354&id=19888

and Corrosion Guard also at Defender -
http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|311|53239|296536|314204&id=201318

Both indicate they're lubricants - is that your intended use?

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>I have used in the past the Corrosion X sold at marine stores, an
> aerosol that is often used on inboard and outboard marine engines.
>
> It works

Re: [MBZ] Rust protection

[Dan Weeks]

Thanks, John! I'll look for it.

Dan



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I have used in the past the Corrosion X sold at marine stores, an
aerosol that is often used on inboard and outboard marine engines.

It works wonderful.

John Peterson
Kingston RI  1991 300D 2.5


Dan Weeks wrote:

 Great! I'll switch! Where do you find the stuff?

 Dan

 I heartily recommend LPS2/3 for fighting the formation of rust. WD-40
 only works if you spray it hourly!

 Marshall
 




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Re: [MBZ] Rust protection

[John Peterson]

I have used in the past the Corrosion X sold at marine stores, an 
aerosol that is often used on inboard and outboard marine engines.


It works wonderful.

John Peterson
Kingston RI  1991 300D 2.5


Dan Weeks wrote:

Great! I'll switch! Where do you find the stuff?

Dan

I heartily recommend LPS2/3 for fighting the formation of rust. WD-40
only works if you spray it hourly!

Marshall
  

Re: [MBZ] This weeks parts specials 8/3

[Craig McCluskey]

On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 19:20:14 -0700 Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> A sly reference to your constant references to smoking crack...no mor,
> no less.  I may actually bid on that item

Having been in a recent accident where someone "tried" to make a left turn
in front of me and got my dark blue right front fender rammed into him, I,
too, am interested in the auction.


Craig

[MBZ] Fw: Re: Blocked domain

[Craig McCluskey]

The URL for the jet car, http://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/, should come
through now.


Craig


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Subject: Re: Blocked domain


On Monday, July 31, 2006, 8:17:17 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:
> I tried sending the URL http://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/ in an email and
> got a bounce, specifically,

> : host okiebenz.com[69.50.193.222] said:
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> This website should not be blocked.


> Thanks,


> Craig


Hi Craig,
Outblaze has removed ronpatrickstuff.com from their URI
blacklist.

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Re: [MBZ] This weeks parts specials 8/3

[LT Don]

A sly reference to your constant references to smoking crack

On 8/3/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


huh?

LT Don wrote:

> Secret message to Kleb:
>
> This is a potential bidder -- your response should be "thank you sir."
>
> D.
>
>
> On 8/3/06, Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>A sly reference to your constant references to smoking crack...no mor,
no
>>less.  I may actually bid on that item
>>
>>That is all.
>>
>>On 8/3/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>huh?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Casey
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Re: [MBZ] B727 arrivals

[George Gregory]

I didn't know 727s were out of service.  When did this happen?

 
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-Original Message-
From: Peter Frederick
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:27 PM

They are out of service for two reasons -- noise (minor) and severe 
fuel consumption problems.  Not really possible to remove the center 
engine and rebuild the tail so you could put CFM-56's on it, and I 
suspect the 757/767 classes have better wings, too.  Same fuselage on 
the 757/737 anyway, no change there.  I suspect there are airflow 
problems with large bypass engines stuck on the sides of the rear 
fuselage, too -- no one has put them there since the 60's, and I don't 
believe any were high bypass designs, either.

Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Jim Cathey]

How do you "easily cure" the "oil separator" in the breather?


Find out what's wrong with it, and correct it.  It has no
moving parts, etc.  Just some tubing and some seals.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Tensioner puddling

[Jim Cathey]

Obligatory Benz content:  Can a leaking chain tensioner on a 603 be
fixed, or do I have to replace it?  I'm leaking about a quart in 3000
miles and it's driving me nuts!


I don't know, but I fixed one on a M130 with two new O-rings.
I think they're still built a lot the same.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] B727 arrivals

[Peter Frederick]

The Salt Lake City accident (and the one in Covington KY shortly after) 
were mainly due to failure to arrest descent soon enough -- that B727 
will drop, under full control, at about 10,000 ft/min in level flight, 
and it takes quite a bit of horsepower to stop the descent.   Also 
takes about 8 seconds to go from in flight idle to full power on those 
P&Ws, so one has to apply power early rather than late.  At Salt Lake 
City, the pilot had failed his ttransition to  jets several times (B707 
and DC-8), mainly because he never would push the throttles up soon 
enough.  He had many years on props, and they have (at least the 
internal comubstion type, anyway) instant throttle response along with 
somewhat sedate descent rates..  He failed to arrest descent soon 
enough, and the engines simply took too long to spool up, and although 
the aircraft was actually (barely) on the runway, he hit the threshold 
at about tree times the maximum descent rate, a continuation of the 
excessive rate during the whole approach.  He came in too high, allowed 
the aircraft to descend at too high a rate, then waited too long to 
apply power, and penetrated the glide slope.


A training issue, primarily, compounded by the mode of gear failure and 
the presence of electrical, fuel and pneumatic lines around the top of 
the gear.  Instant fire if the gears fail upwards on impact.  The 
Covington accident was compounded by flying in deteriorating weather 
over blackout terrain at night (no visual clues).  In both cases, the 
aircraft was outside the flight envelope without the real knowledge of 
the pilot, and in neither case was corrective action taken soon enough 
-- literally a matter of a few seconds in both cases-- the aircraft at 
Covington hit the ground a mile or two from the end of the runway after 
a very rapid descent from well above the glide slope.  Another case of 
"pilot error" where the pilot made a mistake, but in both cases due to 
inadequate knowledge of the behavior of the aircraft.  Wouldn't happen 
today since they would "crash" in training on the simulators.  Both 
were cases of excessive rate of descent too at too low an altitude to 
allow recovery, not a final approach error per se.


The correction, quite aside from more stringent testing and training, 
was to install more warning devices alerting the pilot to excessive 
descent rates at low altitude and redefining the "normal flight 
envelope" so that high rates of descent within 20 sec or so of 
touchdown are outside the envelope.  Final approach must be done under 
power, not in-flight idle, and the descent has to be fairly slow during 
final approach -- more like "normal" jets and prop planes..  Not that 
the aircraft won't fly that way, but it requires hair-trigger reflexes 
and superhuman judgment to halt the descent before the gear hits the 
ground.  The Salt Lake City pilot was only two or three seconds late 
applying power, a margin I for one think is a bit small, to say nothing 
of the presence of silly little things like wind shear, turbulence, 
engine surge, and the pilot sneezing.  The other training change was to 
recognize when the aircraft was leaving the normal envelope and what to 
do about it before it was too late.  Another change in training was to 
apply power and "bounce" the aircraft if possible on a hard landing 
rather than try to hold it down -- leaves the gear intact.  Quite a 
ride, though!


May just be the "seat of the pants" feeling, but every time I rode in a 
B727, the tail dropped during descent.  Looks that way watching them 
land, too.  They do rotate flatter as the gear touches.  In the case I 
was describing, the pilot had just eased the throttles back to drop us 
down when "God let go" for a couple seconds -- somewhere between the 
last approach lights and the runway -- "a deeply inconvenient moment" 
so to speak.



They are out of service for two reasons -- noise (minor) and severe 
fuel consumption problems.  Not really possible to remove the center 
engine and rebuild the tail so you could put CFM-56's on it, and I 
suspect the 757/767 classes have better wings, too.  Same fuselage on 
the 757/737 anyway, no change there.  I suspect there are airflow 
problems with large bypass engines stuck on the sides of the rear 
fuselage, too -- no one has put them there since the 60's, and I don't 
believe any were high bypass designs, either.


Obligatory Benz content:  Can a leaking chain tensioner on a 603 be 
fixed, or do I have to replace it?  I'm leaking about a quart in 3000 
miles and it's driving me nuts!


Peter

Re: [MBZ] test 1

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

no

LT Don wrote:


Do you have the title?

On 8/3/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


sure, send me the cash

Loren Faeth wrote:



Give ya $500 for it, K'leb









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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] This weeks parts specials 8/3

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

huh?

LT Don wrote:


Secret message to Kleb:

This is a potential bidder -- your response should be "thank you sir."

D.


On 8/3/06, Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


A sly reference to your constant references to smoking crack...no mor, no
less.  I may actually bid on that item

That is all.

On 8/3/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


huh?




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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] This weeks parts specials 8/3

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Zeitgeist wrote:


A sly reference to your constant references to smoking crack...no mor, no
less.  I may actually bid on that item

That is all.

On 8/3/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


huh?




Casey
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'87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
'84 300D (214k)
Gashuffer:
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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

[MBZ] (no subject)

[Jerry Herrman]

How do you "easily cure" the "oil separator" in the breather?

Thanks, 


Jerry 240D

Re: [MBZ] test 1

[LT Don]

Do you have the title?

On 8/3/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


sure, send me the cash

Loren Faeth wrote:

> Give ya $500 for it, K'leb
>





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1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed
1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

Re: [MBZ] This weeks parts specials 8/3

[LT Don]

Secret message to Kleb:

This is a potential bidder -- your response should be "thank you sir."

D.


On 8/3/06, Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


A sly reference to your constant references to smoking crack...no mor, no
less.  I may actually bid on that item

That is all.

On 8/3/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> huh?
>
>
Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
'84 300D (214k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
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Re: [MBZ] This weeks parts specials 8/3

[Zeitgeist]

A sly reference to your constant references to smoking crack...no mor, no
less.  I may actually bid on that item

That is all.

On 8/3/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


huh?



Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
'84 300D (214k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG

Re: [MBZ] This weeks parts specials 8/3

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

huh?

Zeitgeist wrote:


Despite your sad little addiction to crack, I've decided to "watch" your RF
fender auction.

On 8/3/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQfrppZ50QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQrdZ0QQsassZokieQ2dbenz
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'87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
'84 300D (214k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Powersteering pump cross?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

If you emailed me saying you need one I must have missed it.  In any 
case, I have several in stock.


Curt Raymond wrote:


Does anybody know what w201 powersteering pumps I can use on my '85 190D 2.2l?
The list dad hasn't gotten back to me so I presume he hasn't got one. Mercedes 
Source has one from a 2.3l for $40 which sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

-Curt


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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] A/C on the cheap (126, 210, 124)

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that Jim wrote:

> > Propane makes me nervous. If the heater core thingy leaks inside
> > the car, won't the propane be heavy enough that it may settle near
> > the floor. Then a spark might ignite it?
> 
> You could easily engineer a scenario where the car blew up, but I
> don't think it could really happen by itself.  The odds are against
> it.  Propane is hard to ignite when compared to gasoline, anybody
> that has experience with an aging gas grille is familiar with it.
> The propane has a narrow range of flammability in air.  Too little,
> or too much, and it won't ignite.  And you can smell it long before
> it reaches flammable concentration.  There are much higher
> automotive risks.  There are countries that use this stuff in
> refrigeration, both stationary and mobile.

Also, if there is a rapid leak, even R12 can be "flamable" because of
the oil it's carrying.

--  Philip, thinkin' it's about time to repair the block heaters.

Re: [MBZ] A/C on the cheap (126, 210, 124)

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that Jim wrote:

> > time I looked the 134 was $11 a pound, and for that I can buy
> > freeze  12 or
> > R-12.  That is why I am going back.  If I had a source for
> > isobutane  and
> 
> Any outdoorsman's supply.

Not around St. Louis MO!

I didn't find any until my business trip to Buffalo, NY. I'll bet
there are place in between where I could find it, though.

--   Philip, used the Cathey BabiQ mix a couple times

Re: [MBZ] This weeks parts specials 8/3

[Zeitgeist]

Despite your sad little addiction to crack, I've decided to "watch" your RF
fender auction.

On 8/3/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQfrppZ50QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQrdZ0QQsassZokieQ2dbenz
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Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
'84 300D (214k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG

Re: [MBZ] test 1

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

sure, send me the cash

Loren Faeth wrote:


Give ya $500 for it, K'leb

At 09:57 AM 8/3/2006, you wrote:



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85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net



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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] test 1

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

hell I dont know, just a pic I had around.

LT Don wrote:


Who's car is that. I know it isn't one of yours because it is clean.

On 8/3/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



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 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net


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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Anyone Have Carfax?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Dont know just saw it in passing in the paper

Mitch Haley wrote:


"Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:


there is one for sale here I saw for $1200



Body and floor still unventilated?
Haven't seen a useable Courier or LUV in Michigan for about 15 years or more. 
My brother had a LUV and a Mazda, the Mazda was a four cyl, basically equivalent

to the Courier. I wanted a Mazda w/ rotary at the time. I probably came close
to breaking some driver side lugs on his Mazda before it occured to me they 
might
be left hand thread. It's the only Japanese vehicle I've ever seen with left 
thread
lugs on the left side. 
I've pretty much outgrown wanting a pickup, but if I ran across a FWD Rampage or Scamp

converted to VW turbo diesel I'd be tempted. If my Horizon hadn't died of rust, 
it would
have a VW engine in it by now. 

If I had serious custom car talent I'd make a S124 into an ElCamino type pickup. 


Mitch.

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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Anyone Have Carfax?

[John M McIntosh]

Fine, so the reporter is playing games with the statistics, likely he  
should have picked a comparable Ford SUV, versus a monster Ford vehicle.
However it's clear from the number less folks are pulling boats this  
month because few boat pulling expeditions have been bought.


On 3-Aug-06, at 9:07 AM, R A Bennell wrote:


So, how do you pull a boat behind your Rav4??

I also wonder how many Sequoias Toyota sold at double the price of  
a Ford. Toyotas aren't bad. We have a 4Runner
and an Avalon but they are not without problems either- rust being  
one of them. Our poor 4Runner is being consumed.


There is still a place for the larger vehicles. We just need for  
the car makers to try harder. My old 68 Chevy
pickup does almost as well as my 98 Ford pickup on fuel. Something  
is wrong there. All of this modern technology is
not really helping fuel economy on trucks. Cars have become much  
better but the trucks really haven't improved much

in my experience.

Randy



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone Have Carfax?


Ya, which is why the WSJ reported yesterday.

One example of how Toyota has turned the tables on Ford: Toyota's
redesigned RAV 4, a compact wagon that can average 25 miles per
gallon, outsold Ford's 15-mpg V-8 powered Expedition SUV 14,755 to
6,705. Last July, the Expedition sold 15,733 to the RAV 4's 7,394.




John
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1990's 300TDt  172k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 180k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)

[MBZ] This weeks parts specials 8/3

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] OT: Cessna 190/195

[LT Don]

That looks NICE -- and 1952 was a very good year.

On 8/3/06, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


The 190 had the Lycoming 220 (or 225) Hp engine, the 195 came with the
Jacobs - went  from 245, 275, 300, 330 hP, IIRC over the years.


http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/content/specs/2005/cessna_195_businessliner.html



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> Both the 190 and 195 had the "Round Engine"
>
> Walt Lasher
> Seattle
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