Re: [MBZ] Big Brother is Nearby --- WAS---- W140 Vs W126

[LarryT]

Hi Vince,
   Well put.  I know TV and real life have little in common but on shows 
like Law & Order when a suspectis being questions they often ask, "Do I need 
a lawyer?" and the police usually reply with a "Why do you need a lawyer of 
you did't do anything?" because they know a lawyer will advise them to stay 
quiet.  It appears often the police have little to go on until the suspect 
starts talking!


   The ability to not be forced to admit guilt is a long standing right - 
which is based on the English legal system as are many of our laws.


Well, I hoped this thread would generate some conversation!!  It certainly 
did *that*!!



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From: "Jeff Zedic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hmmm, I still don't understand the 5th..why would an innocent person
use

it?
 So basically, using the 5th is a tacit admission of guilt, no?

If I caused  serious accident, I'd admit faultwhere's the problem?


Jeff Zedic
Toronto


It's protection from zealous prosecutors with conviction quotas
(self-imposed included) who know the letter of the law and can use it
against a citizen's ignorant non-intent to break them.  The less you say,
the less ammo they can drum up against you to win in court.

The other edge is it certainly CAN be considered by a jury or judge as an
admission of guilt to not say anything.  I'd think if you were honest and
good intentioned without reasonable or predictaible negligence it would be
the best thing for your case.  But, it seems sadly today conventional 
wisdom

from the best defense lawyers and proven results for the innocent and the
guilty is to keep your mouth shut at all costs.

Thus, everyone should get the option.  Defending youself in court is
considered stupid too.  Getting a lawyer admits guilt, or at least
rightfully founded fear of your true actions and the evidence they may 
bear

OR innocence in the face of potential conviction.  If the prosecuter knows
all the laws and you come in with a speech, the ruling will simply go to 
the

better presented legal case, and you'd likely lose.

PS- If everyone admited fault, the term "hit and run" would not exist!

Vince

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[MBZ] Car shooting

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http://www.devilducky.com/media/54449/

[MBZ] '86 BMW 524TD on Portland, OR CL

[Alex Chamberlain]

Since the topic of these rare beasts comes up regularly:

http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/car/242757345.html

Never seen offered for $2500, let alone twice that!  Typical Pacific
Northwest biodiesel fever, obviously, although it does seem like a pretty
nice example.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper

Re: [MBZ] autodimming mirrors

[Ed Booher]

On 11/28/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> <>
>
Well, they have. My '01 Cheap Class's inside and left outside mirror darken
automatically when the sensor decides to and it works quite well.


My 94 Mitsu Diamante has exterior mirrors that dim.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big Brother is Nearby

[David Brodbeck]

Jim Cathey wrote:
> The present system stinks, of course, but so do the others.  I'm
> absolutely opposed to any proposed solution that doesn't embody real
> competition in providing service.

As far as I know, most single-payer systems allow you to pick your own
doctor.  It's not like you're assigned one at birth or something. 
Ironically, in our ostensibly free-market system I have less choice of
who to go to every year, as they keep paring down the list of
'participating' physicians.

Re: [MBZ] '86 BMW 524TD on Portland, OR CL

[Zoltan Finks]

I know it's sacrilege, but that's nice lookin. 1/4 million miles and looks
new. Wonder how those powerplants hold up compared to ours.

Brian
83 240D


On 12/2/06, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Since the topic of these rare beasts comes up regularly:

http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/car/242757345.html

Never seen offered for $2500, let alone twice that!  Typical Pacific
Northwest biodiesel fever, obviously, although it does seem like a pretty
nice example.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper
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Re: [MBZ] A380 Crosswind certification

[Alex Chamberlain]

On 11/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


http://www.mbl.is/mblvideo/157.wmv



I thought that was going to be a video of one of the little Mercedes
A-classes blowing over in a stiff wind!  Didn't they tend to tip in
emergency slalom tests?

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper

Re: [MBZ] '86 BMW 524TD on Portland, OR CL

[ernest breakfield]

you can see them often on ebay; $2500 is high for one with that much mileage.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=002&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=120041882029&rd=1,1

this one was up several times:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AVRI&viewitem=&item=330046019804&rd=1,1

this one's still active:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NO-RESERVE-DIESEL-CLEAN_W0QQitemZ150065579342QQihZ005QQcategoryZ6008QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem




they have a reputation for needing frequent head work compared to our
MBZs...


cheers!
e


Zoltan Finks wrote:

> I know it's sacrilege, but that's nice lookin. 1/4 million miles and looks
> new. Wonder how those powerplants hold up compared to ours.
>
> Brian
> 83 240D
>
> On 12/2/06, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Since the topic of these rare beasts comes up regularly:
> >
> > http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/car/242757345.html
> >
> > Never seen offered for $2500, let alone twice that!  Typical Pacific
> > Northwest biodiesel fever, obviously, although it does seem like a pretty
> > nice example.
> >
> > Alex Chamberlain
> > '87 300D Turbo
> > '93 Isuzu Trooper
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Re: [MBZ] '86 BMW 524TD on Portland, OR CL

[Alex Chamberlain]

On 12/1/06, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I know it's sacrilege, but that's nice lookin. 1/4 million miles and looks
new. Wonder how those powerplants hold up compared to ours.



I'm sure someone with first hand experience will give more details, but the
short answer is "poorly."  It's a pity---the E28 BMW chassis is one of the
all-time great designs of the '80s or any decade.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper
'87 BMW 535is (I wish)

[MBZ] Fw: Too much screwing around

[ts]

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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 5:40 PM
Subject: Too much screwing around


Drain, fill drain fill, after de oiling, de calcifying and finishing with 
a prestone drive around flush my little screw plug broke on the bottom of 
Beher radiator.  It is in place but the screw driver part and rubber piece 
just kind of fell off with the last tighting.  Plug is in there and 
holding coolant but I need to replace.


How would the list suggest I remove the old one and quickly put in a new 
one?  I thought of screwing two small thin screws in and removing with 
pliers.  Any thoughts please  Car is a 1979 240D


Regards Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA 

Re: [MBZ] Fw: Too much screwing around

[Tom Hargrave]

I've broken the outside off mine before & did a quick swap. At the most,
you'll loose a pint or coolant.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 5:40 PM
Subject: Too much screwing around


> Drain, fill drain fill, after de oiling, de calcifying and finishing with 
> a prestone drive around flush my little screw plug broke on the bottom of 
> Beher radiator.  It is in place but the screw driver part and rubber piece

> just kind of fell off with the last tighting.  Plug is in there and 
> holding coolant but I need to replace.
>
> How would the list suggest I remove the old one and quickly put in a new 
> one?  I thought of screwing two small thin screws in and removing with 
> pliers.  Any thoughts please  Car is a 1979 240D
>
> Regards Tom Scordato
> Bellefonte PA 



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Re: [MBZ] '86 BMW 524TD on Portland, OR CL

[Werner Fehlauer]

Although more than half of BMWs are Diesels, both in turbo and non-turbo 
form, they only brought in about 3500 into the USA in 1985 and 1986.  These 
ARE awesome cars, fast and excellent handling drivers.  I drove my '85 for 
almost 90k miles before getting my '90 300D 2.5, and made the big mistake of 
selling the BMW.  When I sold mine, it was using a quart of oil about every 
2500 miles, no doubt to driving it hard a lot of the time.  But the car 
never failed to start, never quit on the road, and my wife even admitted 
that it was fun to drive.
From my experience, only the latest Mercedes CDIs out-perform these cars, 
and may actually not handle as well since BMW has designed and made their 
reputation with world-class "handling" drivability, vs. luxury ride ability. 
The 2.4L 6 cylinder engine is smooth, powerful, and durable, and was also 
used in Lincoln LSC Coupes as well as a line of Class C motor homes.
But asking $5k is a bit much for this car, IMO in view of the age and 
mileage.


Werner
'90 300D 2.5
'83 300SD
'87 F150 4x4

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 1:21 AM
Subject: [MBZ] '86 BMW 524TD on Portland, OR CL



Since the topic of these rare beasts comes up regularly:

http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/car/242757345.html

Never seen offered for $2500, let alone twice that!  Typical Pacific
Northwest biodiesel fever, obviously, although it does seem like a pretty
nice example.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper

Re: [MBZ] A380 Crosswind certification

[Werner Fehlauer]

The first M-B "A Class" vehicles did have a stability issue (the infamous 
Swedish Moose test), which resulted in a big recall and redesign.  AFAIK, 
all the A Class cars now pass that test, so stability is no more of an issue 
than in any other car.  (and they don't make a 3.8L A Class, except the 
special one-off twin engine job that was built for Miko Hakkinen)


Werner

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] A380 Crosswind certification



On 11/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


http://www.mbl.is/mblvideo/157.wmv



I thought that was going to be a video of one of the little Mercedes
A-classes blowing over in a stiff wind!  Didn't they tend to tip in
emergency slalom tests?

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper
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Re: [MBZ] '86 BMW 524TD on Portland, OR CL

[Werner Fehlauer]

The last item (the one still active) bears some caution.  They advertise it 
as a 524TD, but in the description its called a 525i, which is a 2.5 L gas 
engine used in the NEXT series after this body style.  The '85s came ONLY in 
2.4L TurboDiesel and 2.8 L and 3.5 L gas engines in the USA.
Also, note that the rear window, radio, and antenna don;t work, and they 
admit that the mileage may not be correct.  All of the above says "Warning!"


Werner

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '86 BMW 524TD on Portland, OR CL


you can see them often on ebay; $2500 is high for one with that much 
mileage.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=002&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=120041882029&rd=1,1

this one was up several times:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AVRI&viewitem=&item=330046019804&rd=1,1

this one's still active:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NO-RESERVE-DIESEL-CLEAN_W0QQitemZ150065579342QQihZ005QQcategoryZ6008QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Re: [MBZ] Fw: Too much screwing around

[Mike Canfield]

Could you find a reverse thread screw  and use it like an easy out?

Mike
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Subject: Too much screwing around



Drain, fill drain fill, after de oiling, de calcifying and finishing with
a prestone drive around flush my little screw plug broke on the bottom of
Beher radiator.  It is in place but the screw driver part and rubber 
piece

just kind of fell off with the last tighting.  Plug is in there and
holding coolant but I need to replace.

How would the list suggest I remove the old one and quickly put in a new
one?  I thought of screwing two small thin screws in and removing with
pliers.  Any thoughts please  Car is a 1979 240D

Regards Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA




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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Too much screwing around

[Hans Neureiter]

Why not use an easy-out?

On 12/2/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Could you find a reverse thread screw  and use it like an easy out?

Mike
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>
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 5:40 PM
> Subject: Too much screwing around
>
>
>> Drain, fill drain fill, after de oiling, de calcifying and finishing
with
>> a prestone drive around flush my little screw plug broke on the bottom
of
>> Beher radiator.  It is in place but the screw driver part and rubber
>> piece
>> just kind of fell off with the last tighting.  Plug is in there and
>> holding coolant but I need to replace.
>>
>> How would the list suggest I remove the old one and quickly put in a
new
>> one?  I thought of screwing two small thin screws in and removing with
>> pliers.  Any thoughts please  Car is a 1979 240D
>>
>> Regards Tom Scordato
>> Bellefonte PA
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] power seat question 1983 300SD

[Hans Neureiter]

The drive cable ends have a tendency to come loose from the housing which
lets the square drive end of the spiral disengage from the hub.

On 12/1/06, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I don't know how Benz cables work, but on  my old Caddy convertible top,
a motor drives the gears through cables that run through spiral wound
housings.  One of these cables got a little kink in it, bound up in the
housing, and it was no good.  Might be what has happened to yours?  Or
maybe whatever is at the end of the cable is stripped?  A drive gear of
some sort at the working end, or the driven end, which on my Caddy is
just a round bit with a flat machined on it that fits in the drive gear
off the motor.

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kevin kraly wrote:
> Well, I finally got the power seat connector on the new passenger's seat
> wired up properly and plugged it into the car.  The forward/backward
> function worked at first, but now, the drive cable seems to slip, and
the
> seat is stuck.  Has anyone torn into the drive cables and successfully
> gotten them to work again?  I do have both old seats to use as parts and
as
> guinea pigs  so it won't be too tragic if I ruin one rather than ruining
the
> good seat.
>
> Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
> 1983 300SD 284k miles, Ursula
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Too much screwing around

[Mike Canfield]

Well, just figured if he was messing with a couple small screws and pliers 
that he probably doesn't have an easy-out.
 Only drawback would be they are designed to bite into metals.They 
expend alot of force in an outward direction so they bite in harder as you 
turn..Would that make the plastic expand and bind on the radiator itself 
causing the plug to be harder to remove.  The screw wouldn't do that.


Mike
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Why not use an easy-out?

On 12/2/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Could you find a reverse thread screw  and use it like an easy out?

Mike
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>
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 5:40 PM
> Subject: Too much screwing around
>
>
>> Drain, fill drain fill, after de oiling, de calcifying and finishing
with
>> a prestone drive around flush my little screw plug broke on the bottom
of
>> Beher radiator.  It is in place but the screw driver part and rubber
>> piece
>> just kind of fell off with the last tighting.  Plug is in there and
>> holding coolant but I need to replace.
>>
>> How would the list suggest I remove the old one and quickly put in a
new
>> one?  I thought of screwing two small thin screws in and removing with
>> pliers.  Any thoughts please  Car is a 1979 240D
>>
>> Regards Tom Scordato
>> Bellefonte PA
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Too much screwing around

[Jim Cathey]

Well, just figured if he was messing with a couple small screws and 
pliers

that he probably doesn't have an easy-out.


Or a left-hand drill bit.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Fw: Too much screwing around

[Mitch Haley]

Jim Cathey wrote:
> Or a left-hand drill bit.

Everyone should either buy a set of cheap easy-outs with left hand
twist drills, or look for a Snap-On truck and buy a few left-hand
drills. When you need them, you need them, and it's a lot easier
to find them in your toolbox than in a lot of modern hardware 
stores.

Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] Fw: Too much screwing around

[Mike Canfield]

Agreed..I need to do just that.

Mike
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Jim Cathey wrote:

Or a left-hand drill bit.


Everyone should either buy a set of cheap easy-outs with left hand
twist drills, or look for a Snap-On truck and buy a few left-hand
drills. When you need them, you need them, and it's a lot easier
to find them in your toolbox than in a lot of modern hardware 
stores.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] A380 Crosswind certification

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 09:34:33 -0500 "Werner Fehlauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> The first M-B "A Class" vehicles did have a stability issue (the
> infamous  Swedish Moose test)

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose_test

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Saabmoosetest.jpg

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=686567436654352&q=saab



Craig

Re: [MBZ] Fw: Too much screwing around

[ts]

How do you get the broken one out?  Quick swap is ok, gettin wet is ok./Tom
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I've broken the outside off mine before & did a quick swap. At the most,
you'll loose a pint or coolant.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924


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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 5:40 PM
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Drain, fill drain fill, after de oiling, de calcifying and finishing with
a prestone drive around flush my little screw plug broke on the bottom of
Beher radiator.  It is in place but the screw driver part and rubber 
piece



just kind of fell off with the last tighting.  Plug is in there and
holding coolant but I need to replace.

How would the list suggest I remove the old one and quickly put in a new
one?  I thought of screwing two small thin screws in and removing with
pliers.  Any thoughts please  Car is a 1979 240D

Regards Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA




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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Too much screwing around

[ts]

I am a little slow.  If I go with the left handed drill bit how is that 
going to help me get a bite on this thing and remove it please.  I know it 
is probably obvious but my brute reptilian brain coupled with years of 
illegal substance abuse have left me a bit lacking.  Please describe exactly 
how you would do the repair if it were you.


Regards Tom Scordato
1979 240D


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Well, just figured if he was messing with a couple small screws and
pliers
that he probably doesn't have an easy-out.


Or a left-hand drill bit.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Too much screwing around

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sat, 2 Dec 2006 13:35:03 -0500 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am a little slow.  If I go with the left handed drill bit how is that 
> going to help me get a bite on this thing and remove it please.  I know
> it is probably obvious but my brute reptilian brain coupled with years
> of illegal substance abuse have left me a bit lacking.  Please describe
> exactly  how you would do the repair if it were you.

I'd use a very sharp pointed object, like a dentist's pick, and poke it at
a point on the periphery and slowly rotate it out. Come to think of it,
that's exactly what I did when I broke one off myself last summer.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] snowmobile - was autodimming mirrors

[Curt Raymond]

The Evinrude, Johnson and OMC were all the same sleds, all made by OMC. Theres 
another in that group that I can't remember the brand of, it was green though, 
maybe OMC made rotary motors for Scorpion...

Curt

Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:29:01 -0500 
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Fmiser wrote: >  > > Of course if its really bad here I'll just take a 
snowmobile. My  '71 > > Arctic Cat 303 rotary powered snowmobile will go lots 
of places a > > jacked up 4x4 won't... >  > Rotary, as in like a Wankle cycle 
engine?  I didn't remember an Artic Cat wankel, but I know Evinrude made one, 
and there was probably a Johnson equivalent.   If you want a rotary bike that 
didn't get Guigario'd to death (I hate the instrument cluster and tailight 
housing on the RE5, thanks to Guigario - ItalDesign) Hercules made an air 
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Re: [MBZ] OT:snowmobile

[Curt Raymond]

If it was bad enough I HAD to take the snowmobile I wouldn't be going very 
far.. My normal commute is 54 miles one way.

I'm actually in MA, the whole other coast. No snow here yet, they're saying 
maybe flurries tommorow night into Monday. I got my new to me Cub Cadet out 
today, changed the oil and got the snowplow mounted so it probably won't snow a 
flake.
No snowtires on my 190D yet, the all seasons are in good shape so as long as we 
don't have serious snow (rare before new year here) I shouldn't have any 
troubles, I'll get some bagged sand tomorrow never the less.

-Curt

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As a salesman I always ran these cars way over 200K miles.  The first and 
second generation 1986 to 1995 Taurus and Sables.  Look at the mileage on 
this one.  3.0 Liter was the better engine, no head
gasket problems.  Tom Scordato

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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Too much screwing around

[Curt Raymond]

As far as I'm concerned you're half right, everybody should have a set of left 
hand drill bits. Every time I've used an Easy Out (particularly a cheap one) 
its broken. Once an Easy Out breaks you're screwed... Fortunately in all cases 
I've been able to use a punch and break the easy out (they're real hard) but 
I've had friends that had to burn them out with a torch.
If I'm going to drill I'd rather just drill with the intention of drilling as 
close to the threads as I dare and running a tap or a chase through.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 11:34:38 -0500 
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text/plain; charset=us-asciiJim Cathey wrote: > Or a left-hand drill bit.  
Everyone should either buy a set of cheap easy-outs with left hand twist 
drills, or look for a Snap-On truck and buy a few left-hand drills. When you 
need them, you need them, and it's a lot easier to find them in your toolbox 
than in a lot of modern hardware  stores.  Mitch.
 
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agreed; but it's a dealer selling it, and you know how much they're likely to 
(not) know when it comes to something like this.
it was just included as an example of the fact that they still show up from 
time-to-time.


cheers!
e


Werner Fehlauer wrote:

> The last item (the one still active) bears some caution.  They advertise it
> as a 524TD, but in the description its called a 525i, which is a 2.5 L gas
> engine used in the NEXT series after this body style.  The '85s came ONLY in
> 2.4L TurboDiesel and 2.8 L and 3.5 L gas engines in the USA.
> Also, note that the rear window, radio, and antenna don;t work, and they
> admit that the mileage may not be correct.  All of the above says "Warning!"
>
> Werner
>
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> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=002&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=120041882029&rd=1,1
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> > this one's still active:
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Re: [MBZ] OT:snowmobile

[Mitch Haley]

Curt Raymond wrote:
>  I got my new to me Cub Cadet out today

I'm thinking about one of those. 1969 model year, possibly repainted
(even the auger on the snowblower looks like it has paint on it),
hydro drive, 42" snowblower, 48" mower, "runs good, looks good", no
weights or chains. Asking $600. Thinking of offering him an even $500
if it checks out. Know of anything I should watch out for?

Re: [MBZ] Fw: Too much screwing around

[Jim Cathey]

I am a little slow.  If I go with the left handed drill bit how is that
going to help me get a bite on this thing and remove it please.


Well, often when drilling left-handedly, the force of the bit,
especially if it 'bites' into the body can sometimes start backing
out the thing all on its own.  Of course, if it makes it all the
way through without doing this then you've got an unpluggable
hole to deal with.

You might be able to carefully chisel a slot in it and then turn
it out with a big flat bladed screwdriver.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Fw: Too much screwing around

[Mike Canfield]

I'd suggest cutting a groove in it with a Dremel tool for the screwdriver if 
you can get in there with one.


Mike
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I am a little slow.  If I go with the left handed drill bit how is that
going to help me get a bite on this thing and remove it please.


Well, often when drilling left-handedly, the force of the bit,
especially if it 'bites' into the body can sometimes start backing
out the thing all on its own.  Of course, if it makes it all the
way through without doing this then you've got an unpluggable
hole to deal with.

You might be able to carefully chisel a slot in it and then turn
it out with a big flat bladed screwdriver.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Too much screwing around

[David Brodbeck]

Mike Canfield wrote:
> I'd suggest cutting a groove in it with a Dremel tool for the screwdriver if 
> you can get in there with one.

If that doesn't work, it occurs to me that a common technique for
removing broken bolts and stuck studs is to weld a nut to them.  Maybe
you could carefully epoxy something to the stuck plug.  Just don't
compound your problem by gluing it in place. ;)

Re: [MBZ] Fw: Too much screwing around

[Werner Fehlauer]

Folks, why not take a flat soldering tip and "melt" a slot in the plastic 
(the plug that broke is plastic, right?), then you can use a screwdriver to 
turn it out?


Werner

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I am a little slow.  If I go with the left handed drill bit how is that
going to help me get a bite on this thing and remove it please.


Well, often when drilling left-handedly, the force of the bit,
especially if it 'bites' into the body can sometimes start backing
out the thing all on its own.  Of course, if it makes it all the
way through without doing this then you've got an unpluggable
hole to deal with.

You might be able to carefully chisel a slot in it and then turn
it out with a big flat bladed screwdriver.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Fw: Too much screwing around

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If the bit starts to make it all the way through, you can just switch  
to a bigger bit. Eventually anything will come out with PB blaster  
and backwards drill bits, but if it doesn't just drill bigger than  
the hole and install a helicoil


On Dec 2, 2006, at 2:31 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


Well, often when drilling left-handedly, the force of the bit,
especially if it 'bites' into the body can sometimes start backing
out the thing all on its own.  Of course, if it makes it all the
way through without doing this then you've got an unpluggable
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Too much screwing around

[Mike Canfield]

David said:

" Just don't
compound your problem by gluing it in place. ;)"

Was that pun intended?

HEHEHEHE

Mike
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Mike Canfield wrote:
I'd suggest cutting a groove in it with a Dremel tool for the screwdriver 
if

you can get in there with one.


If that doesn't work, it occurs to me that a common technique for
removing broken bolts and stuck studs is to weld a nut to them.  Maybe
you could carefully epoxy something to the stuck plug.  Just don't
compound your problem by gluing it in place. ;)


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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Too much screwing around

[Mike Canfield]

Install a helicoil in a plastic radiator tank?  I think that's asking for 
trouble.


Mike
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If the bit starts to make it all the way through, you can just switch
to a bigger bit. Eventually anything will come out with PB blaster
and backwards drill bits, but if it doesn't just drill bigger than
the hole and install a helicoil

On Dec 2, 2006, at 2:31 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


Well, often when drilling left-handedly, the force of the bit,
especially if it 'bites' into the body can sometimes start backing
out the thing all on its own.  Of course, if it makes it all the
way through without doing this then you've got an unpluggable
hole to deal with.

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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Too much screwing around

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 17:40:35 -0500 "Werner Fehlauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Folks, why not take a flat soldering tip and "melt" a slot in the
> plastic  (the plug that broke is plastic, right?), then you can use a
> screwdriver to  turn it out?

Good idea. The fact that it's plastic is why my use of a dentist's pick
worked when I had to do the same thing.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] Fw: Too much screwing around

[ts]

Werner I like your techique.  I will either use a small wood chisel to work 
a screw driver slot or use a soldering gun to melt a slot.   The exposed 
area is plastic.


Thanks for the help/Tom
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Folks, why not take a flat soldering tip and "melt" a slot in the plastic
(the plug that broke is plastic, right?), then you can use a screwdriver 
to

turn it out?

Werner

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Too much screwing around



I am a little slow.  If I go with the left handed drill bit how is that
going to help me get a bite on this thing and remove it please.


Well, often when drilling left-handedly, the force of the bit,
especially if it 'bites' into the body can sometimes start backing
out the thing all on its own.  Of course, if it makes it all the
way through without doing this then you've got an unpluggable
hole to deal with.

You might be able to carefully chisel a slot in it and then turn
it out with a big flat bladed screwdriver.

-- Jim



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wife's reliable but aging and ugly W123.

Criteria:

I'd like to find something a bit newer and with some safety equipment, like
ABS and airbags.  Additionally, I'd like the vehicle to get better fuel
mileage (diesel, of course).  I'd like to spend < $7k

Candidates (in order of preference):

1 - '87 190D 2.5 turbo
2 - '90-'93 300D 2.5 turbo
3 - '87 300D/TD
4 - '96-'97 Passat tdi

Anyone know of a suitable vehicle meeting these criteria?

TIA
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Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k)
'84 300D (218k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG

Re: [MBZ] In need of a new rig

[LT Don]

Send me "ugly" W123.

On 12/2/06, Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I'm testing the waters to see if I can locate a suitable replacement for
my
wife's reliable but aging and ugly W123.

Criteria:

I'd like to find something a bit newer and with some safety equipment,
like
ABS and airbags.  Additionally, I'd like the vehicle to get better fuel
mileage (diesel, of course).  I'd like to spend < $7k

Candidates (in order of preference):

1 - '87 190D 2.5 turbo
2 - '90-'93 300D 2.5 turbo
3 - '87 300D/TD
4 - '96-'97 Passat tdi

Anyone know of a suitable vehicle meeting these criteria?

TIA
--
Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k)
'84 300D (218k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
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Re: [MBZ] In need of a new rig

[Zeitgeist]

Send me $1.2k and ugly W123 is yours.

On 12/2/06, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Send me "ugly" W123.



Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k)
'84 300D (218k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG