Re: [MBZ] loose air cleaner, W123 300D/ my $0.02/ check your mounts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One other thing, aftermarket mounts are cheap (I just saw two for $27 on Ebay), but many will not last two years, hotter climates being tougher on rubber components, on average. Don't cheap out here! I'll second that. I had approx 3 years/50K miles on a set of after market mounts in the '87 300D when engine vibration noticeably increased. One mount was totally callopsed, the other ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] loose air cleaner, W123 300D/ my $0.02/ check your mounts
Wray Stanley wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One other thing, aftermarket mounts are cheap (I just saw two for $27 on Ebay), but many will not last two years, hotter climates being tougher on rubber components, on average. Don't cheap out here! I'll second that. I had approx 3 years/50K miles on a set of after market mounts in the '87 300D when engine vibration noticeably increased. One mount was totally callopsed, the other Pardon this premature posting. Meant to hit Spell. Never could spell collapsed ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] loose air cleaner, W123 300D/ my $0.02/ check your mounts
Wray Stanley wrote: Wray Stanley wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One other thing, aftermarket mounts are cheap (I just saw two for $27 on Ebay), but many will not last two years, hotter climates being tougher on rubber components, on average. Don't cheap out here! I'll second that. I had approx 3 years/50K miles on a set of after market mounts in the '87 300D when engine vibration noticeably increased. One mount was totally callopsed, the other Pardon this premature posting. Meant to hit Spell. Never could spell collapsed One more time Pardon this premature posting. Meant to hit Spell. Never could spell collapsed. I'll second that. I had approx 3 years/50K miles on a set of after market mounts in the '87 300D when engine vibration noticeably increased. One mount was totally collapsed, the other had dropped 1/2. Installed factory mounts at twice the price. Wray ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Great Lakes car ads
Why those wheels? http://www.auto-rv.com/browse.aspx?AdName=CM2361503 91 350sdl, dealer, $5695 http://www.auto-rv.com/browse.aspx?AdName=BMI2361656D 87 635CSi 133k. auto, $4900 http://www.auto-rv.com/browse.aspx?AdName=CLKIHM807081 clean flood title - does that qualify for joke of the month? S430, $14,000 http://www.auto-rv.com/browse.aspx?AdName=BMLIH2361636D 87 SDL, 170k, $6900 http://auto-rv.com/browse.aspx?AdName=BMIH2191637D 85 500SL, 96k, $12900 http://www.auto-rv.com/browse.aspx?AdName=BMWLKITEH2350424 72 250C $8750 http://www.auto-rv.com/browse.aspx?AdName=CHMLI2260082 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Salvage door desiderata (MY 300 SD got hit)
Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:33:08 -0700 From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote Subject: Re: [MBZ] MY 1985 300SD got hit ... They are recommending finding a salvage door. Out side of inspecting the door before it is 'messed with' (to be sure it is cancer free), any suggestions? ___ Get one the same color as original, that'll minimize repaint problems. ___ -- Jim ___ Hello Jim I agree. It sounds like the most reasonable of notions. I also offer that when I tried for several months to find a 123 sedan driver's door painted Astral Silver Poly, a color that was used for many years (And it seems like I meet a different 123 painted that color on the road maybe twice weekly.), the persons with whom I corresponded (and a Want it Now on ebay) produced nothing but doors painted blue, white, and other colors. And they were all shells only, no hardware or glass. Clearly, some of the people thought I must be crazy to want a used door already painted my color. Color change would have cost maybe $150 at my favorite body shop. I gave up and repaired minor rust on the old door. I hope George has better luck than I. Robert ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] extended cranking e320
A few years ago I had trouble with my Dodge Dakota like this. I got lots of advice including it must just start hard that I didn't like. Finally somebody decided to replace the fuel pump (this was right around 100,000 as I remember). Apparently theres a check valve inside the fuel pump on that truck that keeps it from draining everything back into the tank. After that its back the way it was starting as easy as could be. Maybe try turning the key to on and leaving it for 15-20 seconds and see if that makes it easier to start. AFAIK in many cars on will trigger the fuel pump and pressurize the system. -Curt Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:35:26 -0400 From: Dave Wakin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] extended cranking e320 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original My 1997 e320 is taking more cranking to start lately. Has 133K and I changed the plugs a few hundred miles ago, old plugs looked good. Any ideas on what may be causing it to take more cranks to start? This morning I turned it over for about 10 seconds before it started. Some ideas I had are fuel filter, as well as the security device in the key. The car will not start with a valet key, needs to be the fob so I guess there is a sensor near the ignition. Perhaps my fob battery is low, although it opens/closes the doors just fine. Dave Wakin __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell
David Johson wrote: ... I hate to say to her that this is really the last big-ticket item, and then the next day something else comes up. How many of us are in the same situation? We fix, fix, and it's never fixed! Well, it's the Mercedes-Benz way of life... For a daily user basis, a pre-85 Mercedes does or doesn't worth never-ending fixings? Second question: wich is the best choice: a '85-'90 or the '90-95' year series? In the gas area, I've found a M-104 E-Klass the less expensive to have in maintenance terms. And David, i think it doesn't worth the money, sell the car and get a newer model. RSalles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] climate control
I have been lurking for quite some time and now have decided to repair my 1980 300D climate control, for the longest time it would only deliver defrost. The car would not turn off with the green vacuum line connected under the hood. I have removed and replace the push button and temp wheel. Now that is done the car turns off normally with the green vacuum line connected I am able to select the different push button selectors, with the correct air moving out of the vents. (floor, side vents, defrost vents) Now the problem is that it is always calling for heat I put another temp wheel in with the same results. I need help with what is calling for heat! TIA Douglas. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Euro plates
Hi Guys, Like I said earlier. I live in AZ w/a rear plate only! So, here's what my two cars look like. Hope the pic will get thru Kaleb's filter! Probably too big at 200kb! I like the looks.. But, that's just my opinion and I don't think it's pretentious Take care, Chuck -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSC00683.JPG Type: application/applefile Size: 50708 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071019/95a457dd/attachment.bin -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSC00683.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 137729 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071019/95a457dd/attachment.jpe -- next part -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Salvage door desiderata (MY 300 SD got hit)
The other issue with a door painted the same color is it really is not the same color. Two things drive this: 1. Color mixing varies from batch to batch, within accepted tolerances. A color painted this week will be slightly different from a color painted last week. There is no problem with cars coming off the assembly line but you can't mix and match body panels without doing a color comparison first. 2. Paints age and fade differently due to different exposure to UV (garage kept, not garage kept, northern car, southern car, etc). This is why your local body shop has to have every car matched for paint why they can't just order paint part number XXX from the Stealership. Even factory replacement parts are painted after they are installed on your car. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Bigham Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 8:39 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Salvage door desiderata (MY 300 SD got hit) Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:33:08 -0700 From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote Subject: Re: [MBZ] MY 1985 300SD got hit ... They are recommending finding a salvage door. Out side of inspecting the door before it is 'messed with' (to be sure it is cancer free), any suggestions? ___ Get one the same color as original, that'll minimize repaint problems. ___ -- Jim ___ Hello Jim I agree. It sounds like the most reasonable of notions. I also offer that when I tried for several months to find a 123 sedan driver's door painted Astral Silver Poly, a color that was used for many years (And it seems like I meet a different 123 painted that color on the road maybe twice weekly.), the persons with whom I corresponded (and a Want it Now on ebay) produced nothing but doors painted blue, white, and other colors. And they were all shells only, no hardware or glass. Clearly, some of the people thought I must be crazy to want a used door already painted my color. Color change would have cost maybe $150 at my favorite body shop. I gave up and repaired minor rust on the old door. I hope George has better luck than I. Robert ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell
These are the Mercedes I like to buy. Usually the owner gives up after a big ticket item and I drive the car for 150,000 miles, which is about 3 years for me. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Renato Salles Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 3:22 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell David Johson wrote: ... I hate to say to her that this is really the last big-ticket item, and then the next day something else comes up. How many of us are in the same situation? We fix, fix, and it's never fixed! Well, it's the Mercedes-Benz way of life... For a daily user basis, a pre-85 Mercedes does or doesn't worth never-ending fixings? Second question: wich is the best choice: a '85-'90 or the '90-95' year series? In the gas area, I've found a M-104 E-Klass the less expensive to have in maintenance terms. And David, i think it doesn't worth the money, sell the car and get a newer model. RSalles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell
For a daily user basis, a pre-85 Mercedes does or doesn't worth never-ending fixings? A brand-new car often ends up in the shop, sometimes a little, sometimes a lot. 'Free', but there is still the PITA factor. After a year or two you should be past that and coasting on its newness. For several years, effectively nothing beyond routine maintenance. If you require this in a vehicle, you will just have to pony up and pay for it. A neglected car, of any marque, will take some time to sort out. But unless it's a lemon things will eventually stabilize down to a relatively small (average) expense per year, for the indefinite future. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] climate control
I have removed and replace the push button and temp wheel. Now that is done the car turns off normally with the green vacuum line connected I am able to select the different push button selectors, with the correct air moving out of the vents. (floor, side vents, defrost vents) Now the problem is that it is always calling for heat I put another temp wheel in with the same results. Even when totally dead the pushbutton array shouldn't be able to sap vacuum to where the car wouldn't shut off. Something else has to be wrong, usually it's one of the vacuum pods that is leaking. Heat that just won't quit is often the monovalve insert. Four screws and you can pull it out to see if the rubber diaphragm is torn. It needs +12V applied to shut off heat, that's also an easy thing to check. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Salvage door desiderata (MY 300 SD got hit)
The other issue with a door painted the same color is it really is not the same color. Exactly. Starting with the same color, though, means that the usual (masking tape) repaint will still look decent, those little bits inside that somehow get missed won't be jarringly obvious. If you want it to look like pre-damage condition you will never be able to avoid repainting. It's just a question of how good the after-painting results will be, and/or how much effort you're willing to expend to get there. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MY 1985 300SD got hit ...
Then there is Okiebenz, who has plenty of doors available. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/19/2007 9:53:57 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They are recommending finding a salvage door. Out side of inspecting the door before it is 'messed with' (to be sure it is cancer free), any suggestions? You could try _www.car-parts.com_ (http://www.car-parts.com) and restrict your search to your area/range We have lots of 126 bodies in the Phoenix area Upull lots. They have half price days every week. Check your yellow pages for local self service yards with similar programs Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 152 K miles ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 94 E320, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Euro plates
Kaleb, Thanks for pushing those pics down the pipe Take care, Chuck Phoenix, AZ On Oct 19, 2007, at 4:15 PM, Chuck Landenberger wrote: Hi Guys, Like I said earlier. I live in AZ w/a rear plate only! So, here's what my two cars look like. Hope the pic will get thru Kaleb's filter! Probably too big at 200kb! I like the looks.. But, that's just my opinion and I don't think it's pretentious Take care, Chuck -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSC00683.JPG Type: application/applefile Size: 50708 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/ attachments/20071019/95a457dd/attachment.bin -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSC00683.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 137729 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/ attachments/20071019/95a457dd/attachment.jpe -- next part -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cavalier
I'm not a fan of the Cavalier at all, especially since the early ones were garbage. A friend has an '01 I think it is, nice enough car but plenty of stinkin little annoyances. I find the seats to be way too firm and the ride harsh. Given the choice I'd have a Focus or Escort, assuming I had to stay in that size class. Neon is much like the Cavalier although more powerful. Civic on the other hand, in my experience is 3x the car in comfort (although the seats are still a bit hard for my taste), ergonomics, economy and power. This is mostly from driving rental cars. Nissan Sentra is (was? I had one in about '03) also a pretty decent little box. All of them about as exciting as a toaster though, no, wait, the Civic was a blast... -Curt Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:48:52 -0500 From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] I know Glenn, he used to buy from us. To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 4-banger, auto tranny. BTW, there is a dark blue 2002 Cavalier on the local used car dealer's lot (very reliable guy, has been in business for 30 years, everyone seems to buy their cars from him) that is attracting the wife's interest. I must admit -- the Cavalier is a very comfortable car and has plenty of room for even someone as big (6'4) as me. MPG 22/30/25. Disappointing. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] climate control
Douglas, Is your system an ACCII with the Chrysler servo? One of the DIY tests for going to full heat is to unplug the ambient sensor.? Because it is easy to get to.? It sounds like you have an open in the loop.? Did you remember to plug in the 2 pin connector for the sensor wheel?? The in car sensor in the dash could be unpluged too. Jim in Phoenix I have been lurking for quite some time and now have decided to repair my 1980 300D climate control, for the longest time it would only deliver defrost. The car would not turn off with the green vacuum line connected under the hood. I have removed and replace the push button and temp wheel. Now that is done the car turns off normally with the green vacuum line connected I am able to select the different push button selectors, with the correct air moving out of the vents. (floor, side vents, defrost vents) Now the problem is that it is always calling for heat I put another temp wheel in with the same results. I need help with what is calling for heat! TIA Douglas. r new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] climate control 1980 300D Chrys servo
I also changed the in car sensor, the a/c amplifier. All with the same results all heat all the time. Now I have a Temp Control Regulator though I don't see it in my car? Would just like to change it and see if it makes a difference. Though I don't see where it is on my car! Can someone help me find this box? TIA Douglas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] climate control 1980 300D Chrys servo
Douglas - For good reason I think as it does not exist that I know of. The temperature regulation is performed by a resistor bridge that consists of an ambient temp sensor, outside the cabin mounted on the firewall, an inside temp sensor (likely the one that you replaced, most likely unnecessarily), and the variable resistor in the control unit. The two sensors are thermistors where the resistance changes with temperature. They are situated in the configuration of a Wheatstone bridge. There is a variable resistor, the one in the temperature control dial, and a fixed resistor in the control unit. The four resistors make up the bridge. The bridge seeks equilibrium and the system moves the servo one way or another(i.e. towards heating or cooling)till the equilibrium is achieved. When you move the temperature dial it unbalances the bridge and the control unit then moves the servo as required to compensate and re-balance the bridge. It is really quite a simple system. The whole thing falls down though if the servo is not moving. That is why I said that making sure the servo is moving is the very first step, and the easiest as well. S...is your servo moving? BTW, when you replaced the servo amplifier, was the resistor crispy crittered? Barry Now I have a Temp Control Regulator though I don't see it in my car? Would just like to change it and see if it makes a difference. Though I don't see where it is on my car! Can someone help me find this box? TIA Douglas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] climate control
Not sure that this post went out my first attempt. If it did then sorry for the duplication Douglas - A somewhat common failure mode of the servo units, is that something gums up and jams the internal works, but the servo motor tries to move anyway, forcing the linkage against the side of the case usually cracking the plastic case. The very first test to make on this system, before anything else, is to see if the servo is indeed moving. It is very simple. In a very quiet environment, start the engine and let it run for a few minutes. Next, turn off the engine and listen carefully for the servo motor running as it returns to the park position. Did you hear it running? It takes at least 5 or 10 seconds to park. You may want to raise the hood and listen closely right next to the servo in case you don't hear it from the driver's seat. If you don't hear it running, examine the exterior of the body of the servo and detect any coolant leaking. Get back to us with the results of this test and we will go to the next step. Barry I need help with what is calling for heat! TIA Douglas. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] climate control
Douglas - A somewhat common failure mode of the servo units, is that something gums up and jams the internal works, but the servo motor tries to move anyway, forcing the linkage against the side of the case usually cracking the plastic case. The very first test to make on this system, before anything else, is to see if the servo is indeed moving. It is very simple. In a very quiet environment, start the engine and let it run for a few minutes. Next, turn off the engine and listen carefully for the servo motor running as it returns to the park position. Did you hear it running? It takes at least 5 or 10 seconds to park. You may want to raise the hood and listen closely right next to the servo in case you don't hear it from the driver's seat. If you don't hear it running, examine the exterior of the body of the servo and detect any coolant leaking. Get back to us with the results of this test and we will go to the next step. Barry I need help with what is calling for heat! TIA Douglas. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell
It ehlps if working on your old Mercedes is your hobby --- you'd be spending the time/money on something else if you weren't spending it on the car. On 10/20/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For a daily user basis, a pre-85 Mercedes does or doesn't worth never-ending fixings? A brand-new car often ends up in the shop, sometimes a little, sometimes a lot. 'Free', but there is still the PITA factor. After a year or two you should be past that and coasting on its newness. For several years, effectively nothing beyond routine maintenance. If you require this in a vehicle, you will just have to pony up and pay for it. A neglected car, of any marque, will take some time to sort out. But unless it's a lemon things will eventually stabilize down to a relatively small (average) expense per year, for the indefinite future. -- Jim -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 prechamber cross-threaded
Ok, so today I sacrificed the prechamber tool and forced it farther down into the prechamber. Success, the cross-threaded prechamber is now out of the head. The prechamber tool is about $45, unless someone can tell me what the die size is to re-thread my tool. Is that possible? Luther On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:33:23 -0500, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone have any suggestions for how to remove a cross-threaded prechamber? I can't get the prechamber knockout tool in more than one thread HELP!!! ??? -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (169 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great Lakes car ads
On Oct 20, 2007, at 9:39 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: 91 350sdl, dealer, $5695 http://www.auto-rv.com/browse.aspx?AdName=BMI2361656D Rodbender, no?? 87 SDL, 170k, $6900 http://auto-rv.com/browse.aspx?AdName=BMIH2191637D This one would not be, correct? OM603.961? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cavalier
On Oct 20, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Given the choice I'd have a Focus or Escort, assuming I had to stay in that size class. Neon is much like the Cavalier although more powerful. We have an '04 Focus wagon, it's a tin can but so far trouble free except the wheels seem prone to bending. The Zetec engine is smooth and peppy. The Focus has sold in large numbers for Ford, so finding good cheap used ones should not be difficult. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 prechamber cross-threaded
Luther - I'm guessing the die for that would be more than a new tool. If you have a friend with a lathe that knows how to single point threads that may be a way to go, but to pay a machinist to do that would be way more than the tool. How about using a metric thread file? Barry The prechamber tool is about $45, unless someone can tell me what the die size is to re-thread my tool. Is that possible? Luther ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cavalier
The reason I like the Cavalier is that it is sort of the Mini Me to Debbie's Buick Regal -- both are very comfortable on long (2 hour each way) trips. No tin can feel to it. Plenty of power, cruises comfortably at 65 mph (I am 54, not 14) and that is 'nuff for me. On 10/20/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 20, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Given the choice I'd have a Focus or Escort, assuming I had to stay in that size class. Neon is much like the Cavalier although more powerful. We have an '04 Focus wagon, it's a tin can but so far trouble free except the wheels seem prone to bending. The Zetec engine is smooth and peppy. The Focus has sold in large numbers for Ford, so finding good cheap used ones should not be difficult. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Climate control unit interchangeability
Does anyone know if I can put the climate control unit out of my 88 TE into my 87 300D? I need to check to see if I have a bad unit or something else going on. They both use the later two wire coolant temp sensor. The problem in intermittant operation -- fan runs on low only no matter which button is pushed for fan speed, AC compressor only comes on for a few seconds (up to 15 or twenty seconds once in a while) at the same time the fan speeds up to normal. I have a spare PBCU, but don't want to fry it if it's not compatible. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Salvage door desiderata MY 1985 300SD got hit
Sat, 20 Oct 2007 09:57:32 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Subject: Re: [MBZ] MY 1985 300SD got hit ... Then there is Okiebenz, who has plenty of doors available. ___ I'm do not doubt that okiebenz has plenty of good used doors. Okiebenz was my ace in the hole in my search for a used 123 sedan driver's door painted Astral Silver Poly. Alas, okiebenz didn't have the door I wanted. I almost cried big tears to have my childlike faith shaken and my parade rained on by that. Then I said, Oh well, what the hell? and got on with my life. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] FW: RE: Salvage door desiderata (MY 300 SD got hit)
Subject: RE: [MBZ] Salvage door desiderata (MY 300 SD got hit) Here we go again, folks. Enjoy the ride. It is absolutely not true that your local body shop has to have every car matched for paint why they can't just order paint part number XXX from the Stealership Not so. I do not doubt that some may match every job, perhaps for reasons they may not disclose. It is true that the factory paint weathers and fades to some extent, and the color today is not identical to what it was, say 24 yr and 2 mo ago on my 1983 Mercedes produced in August 1983 or nearly 26 yr ago on my 1981 Volkswagen. Some of the people who obviously thought I must be crazy to want a salvage door already painted my color tried to enlighten me on this point. I already knew, perhaps better than they. I wanted to minimize color match problems, not finesse them entirely. That's also all that Jim said. The factory colors are close to the car colors or new paint colors today. In almost all cases they are close enough. I just replaced the hatch on the VW and changed the replacement hatch color from red to white. Factory white paint code used to change color. I think it looks like new, and it no longer pours water where the pinch weld was rusted away, which is even better. It is possible to match existing paint today with new paint, and for a while that may be short, the matched color and the original color, assuming they are side by side, will appear the same. The match may not last long, depending on the color and exposure. After a while, (I have a 21 yr long experimental case on a house.), the matched paint may appear only to be from the same general part of the spectrum as the original, and not be a match except in the roughest of ways. Across the street in the dark, perhaps. Not in daylight, not at a reasonable distance. The original and matched paints have different compositions and will not weather identically. That is the bottom line. Reds and colors containing reds are the worst. I believe that if you check, you will find that most auto paint used in the custom and/or collison repair business does not come from the car dealers; it comes from independent paint suppliers. Good shops that have the necessary volume mix their own paint, and buy mixing colors from the independent paint suppliers. The dealers can be a good source of spray can quantities of paint for touchup, and they may be the only practical source of the actual factory paint if you want that (Glasso brand and similar). Even factory replacement parts are painted after they are installed on your car. is true, perhaps with rare exceptions. This may be because new replacement parts from any source nearly alway acquire a ding or two in shipping/handling, and often require fitting to match the car. This does not even consider the multitude of factory colors and that some colors may be single year specific while the underlying part may fit a fairly large number of year models. We can match any color and similar, while true, is no more than puffery and surely an attempt to snare customers who may somewhat instinctively believe matching paint is a good desirable thing.. It can also be a way to disguise a rebuild from the inexpert eye I would never advise other than full disclosure. I know a retired man who made a fortune buying and rebuilding wrecked cars and selling them He made a practice of requiring all his buyers to sign and date a picture or pictures of the wreck before repair and a picure or pictures of the repaired car. He told me he never had a successrul lawsuit over the facts or disclosure, although he did have some that were dismissed. Reputable shops that I know about will preferentially use the factory paint codes to order or mix. The match of new factory code paint beside original paint in good condition is almost always quite good, except that reds and colors containing reds can be a problem. No reputable shop I have ever encountered disdained the factory paint code, saying Don't worry, we can match any color or similar. They want the factory paint code. I spent half a day off and on exposing it on my European Mercedes. It's coded on on the data plate on the top radiator brace, not the bright metal printed and stamped plate that anyone can read, but the perforated other plate painted body color. The owner's manual tells that, and the paint vendor worked it out for me. My chosen shop, with whom I have dealt for years, mixed from the factory paint code. They did not match existing paint, which would have been the last choice way to do things, simply because of the lack of a sufficiently large sample of unweathered factory paint, and (or so they told me) the paint, say, on door jambs is not the same as that on the exterior. I don't know if that is true. Matching is a legitimate way to
Re: [MBZ] Climate control unit interchangeability
According to Rusty's web site - no. I just looked up both cars in his catalog and the web site shows different part numbers. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 9:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Climate control unit interchangeability Does anyone know if I can put the climate control unit out of my 88 TE into my 87 300D? I need to check to see if I have a bad unit or something else going on. They both use the later two wire coolant temp sensor. The problem in intermittant operation -- fan runs on low only no matter which button is pushed for fan speed, AC compressor only comes on for a few seconds (up to 15 or twenty seconds once in a while) at the same time the fan speeds up to normal. I have a spare PBCU, but don't want to fry it if it's not compatible. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great Lakes car ads
Allan Streib wrote: On Oct 20, 2007, at 9:39 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: 91 350sdl, dealer, $5695 http://www.auto-rv.com/browse.aspx?AdName=BMI2361656D Rodbender, no?? Yes. Unless it's been fixed already. I figured it would provide a price reference for the '91 in Florida. I think JF bid $7k on that one, which has a replacement engine. 87 SDL, 170k, $6900 http://auto-rv.com/browse.aspx?AdName=BMIH2191637D This one would not be, correct? OM603.961? Not rodbender. Maybe headcracker. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
