[MBZ] The Hendrik and Roger show

[Hendrik Fay]

This would depend which model Toy hota one would consider to be 
equivalent in the C class bracket, over here we get two main flavors the 
Aurion which is a size of a E class and the Corolla (which no self 
respecting bloke would be caught dead owning) which is probably in the B 
or A class size I suppose.
Given that a base corolla starts at 20K Oz beans and the base C class 
starts a 60K beans I suppose I would have to amend my earlier statement 
to a 1/3 of the price, sorry for getting you all flustered Roger.
Actually the Aurion is not a bad looking car and has a 200KW V6 but is 
front wheel drive.

KHR

Roger rogered:

 That would be an extremely used Toyota.

 RLE





   

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Re: [MBZ] copper thieves

[Fmiser]

 Christopher McCann wrote:
   Alternatives - eliminating the penny, plastic.
 

Mitch wrote:
 Once upon a time, we eliminated the half penny. At that time,
 the penny became the lowest denomination coin, and AFAIK
 nobody had a problem with it. The quarter is probably worth as
 much now as the penny was then. I think we could do away with
 the penny AND the nickel. Mitch.

Are you running for office? I'll vote for you! *grin*

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 123 frontend rebuild

[Dave H...]

If your uncertain of the work, as I certainly would be, 3.5 hours away is 
not nearly as far as the stress you may cause yourself trying to tackle 
something your not comfortable with.


Dave H...

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 frontend rebuild

 John Robbins wrote:
  Wish
 I had a mechanic around here I could trust with such jobs.  The nearest
 one I know of is 3.5 hours away.

 Is AutoMedic in Tupelo still around?

 Tom

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Re: [MBZ] Conrad

[Mitch Haley]

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 William Conrad, as in, Jake and the fatman? Same guy, right?
 
 As in Gunsmoke.

I thought that was Robert Conrad, as in Baa Baa Black Sheep
(MB content = zero. I guess I should shut up or join banned)
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 123 frontend rebuild

[LarryT]

I replaced my upper control arms on the 78 240D (W123) with out a spring 
compressor.- it's been a few years so I need to look ar the drawings to 
refresh my memory -

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 frontend rebuild


I have, but I spoke with Rusty on the phone today and his thoughts were
 that the U/L control arms and brake track rod can be done withOUT using a
 (and only THE) spring compressor.  I'm wondering who has done the front
 end like this, and how they did it?  Thanks,
 Luther

 On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:22:11 -0600, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I presume Luther has been around enough to know to use THE spring
 compressor,
 not just any spring compressor.

 Mitch.




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 '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi)
 '82 300CD (170 kmi)
 '82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
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Re: [MBZ] Having to Slam Door

[LarryT]

My W123 240D had a probem with drivers door - had to slam it several times. 
Later found some debris in the hole in the bracket on the door post - it has 
a hole that receives the pin mounted on the door.Didn;t take much junk 
to prevent the pin going all the way in - due to the wedge design.

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From: Barry Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Having to Slam Door


 Bob -
 Not sure if it is the same latch but on my '81SL I had a similar problem 
 and
 it turned out to be a broken hairpin spring in the door latch assy. I 
 tried
 to make a replacement but it didn't work well and finally ended up 
 replacing
 the latch with new. FWIW I found the remnants of the spring in the bottom 
 of
 the door when I removed the inner panel. I drew a picture of it and may
 still have it if you want. If memory serves, the latch has to be in a 
 cocked
 position to close and completely latch. Try fiddling with the latch and 
 see
 if it appears to be cocked then close the door and see if that works. That
 should let you know if it is that spring.

 Barry

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Rentfro
 Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 7:51 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: [MBZ] Having to Slam Door


 When it's cold (well, cold for here.below 50 degrees) my drivers door
 requires more effort to get it closed. When it's in the 30's like it was
 this morning it requires great effort to get it closed. At first I 
 thought
 it was the new weatherstripping I put on but I installed that two
 years ago
 and last winter I didn't;\'t have this problem. Is there a means to 
 adjust
 the doors? It seems like it might be sagging a slight bit.
 Everything seems
 tight. This irritates me.



 Bob R.

 '77 300D 188K miles





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Re: [MBZ] 123 frontend rebuild

[Rich Thomas]

You can do that, put the car on stands, then put a floor jack under the 
LCA and push it up a bit (not enough to lift the car) then you can undo 
the UCA.  The spring sits in the LCA.

--R

LarryT wrote:
 I replaced my upper control arms on the 78 240D (W123) with out a spring 
 compressor.- it's been a few years so I need to look ar the drawings to 
 refresh my memory -

 Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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 Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
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 .

 - Original Message - 
 From: Luther - laptop [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 7:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 frontend rebuild


   
 I have, but I spoke with Rusty on the phone today and his thoughts were
 that the U/L control arms and brake track rod can be done withOUT using a
 (and only THE) spring compressor.  I'm wondering who has done the front
 end like this, and how they did it?  Thanks,
 Luther

 On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:22:11 -0600, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 I presume Luther has been around enough to know to use THE spring
 compressor,
 not just any spring compressor.

 Mitch.

   

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 '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case
 '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi)
 '82 300CD (170 kmi)
 '82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
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Re: [MBZ] Conrad

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

Was he on Gunsmoke? Didnt know that

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730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Conrad


 William Conrad, as in, Jake and the fatman? Same guy, right?
 
 As in Gunsmoke.
 
 RLE
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

cool

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 12:14 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers


 You may want to check this out.  Some pretty big heavy hitters putting 
 this
 together.  Lookout PayPal, Visa.

 http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/revolution_money_to_take_on_pa.php

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Re: [MBZ] copper thieves

[Curt Raymond]

It was last year or the year before in NH they did just that. Thought rubber 
gloves would protect them from the input to a substation.
Fifty gazillion volts and they were all done...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:30:54 -0800
From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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IIRC there was a large traffic jamming upgrade made to one of our  
usually clogged highways here in seattle.  Took a few days to put  
down a few miles of copper stuff and buckle up the roadway.  A few  
days latter some person decided to rent a digger machine and remove  
said copper, causing the state to once more block up traffic and  
install some more copper.

Wish the idiots would go after live wires

clay

   
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Re: [MBZ] Conrad

[Mitch Haley]

Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote:
 
 Was he on Gunsmoke? Didnt know that

Directed two episodes and narrated two episodes.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047736/fullcredits

Now what was the name of the series starring Robert Conrad?
Ah, yes. Wild, Wild West.
http://www.fiftiesweb.com/tv/wild-wild-west.htm

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Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers

[Gary Hurst]

if only they'd fund online gambling

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 You may want to check this out.  Some pretty big heavy hitters putting
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Re: [MBZ] copper thieves

[Tom Hargrave]

Kind of like a big Presto hotdog cooker?

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 7:49 AM
To: Diesel List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves


It was last year or the year before in NH they did just that. Thought rubber
gloves would protect them from the input to a substation.
Fifty gazillion volts and they were all done...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:30:54 -0800
From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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IIRC there was a large traffic jamming upgrade made to one of our  
usually clogged highways here in seattle.  Took a few days to put  
down a few miles of copper stuff and buckle up the roadway.  A few  
days latter some person decided to rent a digger machine and remove  
said copper, causing the state to once more block up traffic and  
install some more copper.

Wish the idiots would go after live wires

clay

   
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Re: [MBZ] Conrad

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

man that show has alot of cast members over the years

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Conrad


 
 
 Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote:
 
 Was he on Gunsmoke? Didnt know that
 
 Directed two episodes and narrated two episodes.
 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047736/fullcredits
 
 Now what was the name of the series starring Robert Conrad?
 Ah, yes. Wild, Wild West.
 http://www.fiftiesweb.com/tv/wild-wild-west.htm
 
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Re: [MBZ] Having to Slam Door

[Robert Rentfro]

Problem was solved with a new striker and a minor adjustment.
It closes like it should now.

Bob R

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On Behalf Of Barry Stark
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 7:27 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Having to Slam Door

Bob -
Not sure if it is the same latch but on my '81SL I had a similar problem and
it turned out to be a broken hairpin spring in the door latch assy. I tried
to make a replacement but it didn't work well and finally ended up replacing
the latch with new. FWIW I found the remnants of the spring in the bottom of
the door when I removed the inner panel. I drew a picture of it and may
still have it if you want. If memory serves, the latch has to be in a cocked
position to close and completely latch. Try fiddling with the latch and see
if it appears to be cocked then close the door and see if that works. That
should let you know if it is that spring.

Barry

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Rentfro
 Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 7:51 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: [MBZ] Having to Slam Door


 When it's cold (well, cold for here.below 50 degrees) my drivers door
 requires more effort to get it closed. When it's in the 30's like it was
 this morning it requires great effort to get it closed. At first I thought
 it was the new weatherstripping I put on but I installed that two
 years ago
 and last winter I didn't;\'t have this problem. Is there a means to adjust
 the doors? It seems like it might be sagging a slight bit.
 Everything seems
 tight. This irritates me.



 Bob R.

 '77 300D 188K miles





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Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers

[Robert Rentfro]

I BET they won't.

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if only they'd fund online gambling

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Re: [MBZ] copper thieves

[Hendrik Fay]

In Australia we did away with our 1 and 2 cent pieces many moons ago, 
the Government just one day said it's time to get rid of the small 
shrapnel and round up and down.
Although rounding up seemed to be the outcome.

Hendrik

Fmiser wrote:
 Christopher McCann wrote:
 
  Alternatives - eliminating the penny, plastic.
   

 Mitch wrote:
   
 Once upon a time, we eliminated the half penny. At that time,
 the penny became the lowest denomination coin, and AFAIK
 nobody had a problem with it. The quarter is probably worth as
 much now as the penny was then. I think we could do away with
 the penny AND the nickel. Mitch.
 

 Are you running for office? I'll vote for you! *grin*

 --   Philip


   

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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300DT

[tom savage]

Allan Streib wrote:

 Probably safer with a diesel tank, but don't do this with a gasser.
 Enough fumes can remain even after a washing to ignite and detonate.
 I recall a posting (maybe on one of the old mbz.org lists) where
 someone had tried to dry a gas tank with a hair dryer and all seemed
 OK for a while until boom and suddenly the gas tank looked like an
 overinflated football.

Be careful out there...

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 22:17:24 +
From: Colin Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Increasing Capacity of Gas Tank

Hello,

I was debating whether to share this story with you all but after the
'valve job' thread I think it would be appropriate.  This happened to me
on Monday:

I pulled the gas tank out of the old car to clean, rustproof and paint
it.  It had been sitting for about 10 years and it seemed like a good
idea.  I drained as much as I could from the fuel line before I removed
it and then turned it upside down and emptied the rest.  Then I dumped
some Marine Clean (industrial strength Fantastik, non-flammable) in and
sloshed it
around to dissolve the gum and varnish.  It was pretty brown when I
poured it out and there were a lot of rust flakes.  I thought it might
help
to just run some water through it for a while to at least get the flakes
out,
  so I stuck the hose in and let it run through for a few minutes.  Then
I
sloshed it around some more and rinsed with some more
Marine Clean.  I figured I had gotten most of it.

To dry it, I got a hair dryer and masking taped it to
the filler opening, figuring the air would blow out the fuel line and
the return line fittings.

I turned it on and walked around the other side of the tank to see how
much air was coming out the fittings.  Just then there was a really big
bang and a flash.  The hairdryer is now laying a short distance away not

running and there are little shiny flakes in the air glittering as
they catch the light.  And my tank that used to hold about 20
gallons now might hold about 30 gallons.  I guess there was still some
gasoline gum inside the tank.  Those little flakes were the insulation
from inside the hair dryer. Unfortunately the tank is now too round to
fit under the car with out dragging.
It looks very much like a bag of microwave popcorn that is done popping.

I now have another it seemed reasonable at the time stories.  Does
anyone have a good tank for a 108/109?  A local guy might have one but
if he doesn't I'll be looking.

Thanks,

Colin Miller

'72 280SE 4.5
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Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers

[Gary Hurst]

i am pretty sure they won't.  the gov't has a nasty habit of jumping anyone
involved in online gambling and all these guys are scared to bits.  they
were actually hoping to have it shut down by now, but the ACH system is so
huge and it is so easy to set up a domain, that the banks can't really know
where or from whom money is coming and going.   i mean, if you make or
receive a $200 payment with bluetailfin.com, how is the bank to know whether
that is online gambling or not?

my favorite story of them all is of a fella who tried to make a payment to
an online gambling site and got a call from bank of america saying that they
cannot approve the transaction because they suspect it involves online
gambling.  thinking quickly, the fella told them that he has no idea about
any sort of gambling, but that he is purchasing pornography, in particular
necrophelia and beastiality materials.  there was a moment's pause, after
which he was informed that bank of america can approve that transaction.

so we once again learn that prohibition doesn't work, that it is unamerican
and that it is flat stupid and counterproductive.



On Dec 20, 2007 9:30 AM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I BET they won't.

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 if only they'd fund online gambling

 On Dec 20, 2007 1:14 AM, Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  You may want to check this out.  Some pretty big heavy hitters putting
  this
  together.  Lookout PayPal, Visa.
 
  http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/revolution_money_to_take_on_pa.php
 
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Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers

[Tom Hargrave]

There is already plenty of funding for on-line gambling. The funding comes
from the gamblers themselves.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
 

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I BET they won't.

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if only they'd fund online gambling

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 You may want to check this out.  Some pretty big heavy hitters putting
 this
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 http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/revolution_money_to_take_on_pa.php

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Re: [MBZ] A Wicked Crazy Something

[Rich Thomas]

A real sleeper!

--R

Robert Rentfro wrote:
 Holy Moly

  http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/car/502857158.html
 http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/car/502857158.html 

 Bob R.

  

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Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers

[Gary Hurst]

but for the gamblers to fund it, they do require a mechanism to do so, no?
what the gamblers lack is not the money or desire to fund online gambling,
but the actual means for doing so as government thugs have terrorized nearly
everyone involved in the industry, in direct conflict with the WTO, btw.

On Dec 20, 2007 9:53 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There is already plenty of funding for on-line gambling. The funding comes
 from the gamblers themselves.

 Thanks,
 Tom Hargrave
 www.kegkits.com
 256-656-1924


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 I BET they won't.

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 Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 7:16 AM
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 if only they'd fund online gambling

 On Dec 20, 2007 1:14 AM, Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  You may want to check this out.  Some pretty big heavy hitters putting
  this
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Re: [MBZ] 123 frontend rebuild

[M G]

Luther,

At the risk of having people get upset with me, I
reply anyway. 

I have an 83 300D so I know this worked with my car. I
had to replace the lower ball joints, so I jacked up
the car and put jack stands under it near the front. 

Then I tried to put the spring compressor, which I
bought from HF, on the spring. There wasn't enough
room to use it so I decided to at least get the
springs out and have the ball joints pressed in while
I worry about getting another type of spring
compressor to put it all together later. Since I was
outside and knew that the springs could come out of
there with quite a bit of force I made sure that there
was nothing in the way to get damaged or no one there
to get hurt just in case. Mind you I don't recommend
that anyone do this as you could very likely get hurt
big time.

Then I put the floor jack right under the ball joint
and jacked up a bit so I could disconnected
everything. That done I got on the hood just to make
sure that I wouldn't be in the firing line (OK so I'm
a wimp and a scardy cat) and slowly let the jack down.
Total anticlimax in this case. Nothing happened other
then the jack went down and the spring relaxed. The
spring was all loose in place with no tension on it at
all. I made sure of that before I came down off the
hood by poking it with a stick (yes I used to poke
sleeping dogs also, I had to learn everything the hard
way). In order to get the spring out I had to push
down on the hub/control arm so that the control arm
would go down far enough for the bottom of the spring
to clear it's seat.

Like I said, that was on my car. If it will be the
same on yours I don't know. If anyone decides to try
it this way they need to be aware that they are taking
a risk of precipitating a catastrophic event that
might cause irreparable harm to life limb and
property! What can I say, I'm just a calculated risk
taker. Mind you I do not like to gamble so that should
tell you how closely I watch and assess the risks I
take.

Oh by the way, assembly was the reverse of disassembly
and also went without any problems.

Manfred



Luther wrote;

Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:36:53 -0600
From: Luther - laptop [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 frontend rebuild
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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I have, but I spoke with Rusty on the phone today and
his thoughts were
  
that the U/L control arms and brake track rod can be
done withOUT using
 a  
(and only THE) spring compressor.  I'm wondering who
has done the front
  
end like this, and how they did it?  Thanks,
Luther


  

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Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers

[Tom Hargrave]

They find through their losses. The funding you are referring to is the
initial seed money to launch a site.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:00 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers

but for the gamblers to fund it, they do require a mechanism to do so, no?
what the gamblers lack is not the money or desire to fund online gambling,
but the actual means for doing so as government thugs have terrorized nearly
everyone involved in the industry, in direct conflict with the WTO, btw.

On Dec 20, 2007 9:53 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There is already plenty of funding for on-line gambling. The funding comes
 from the gamblers themselves.

 Thanks,
 Tom Hargrave
 www.kegkits.com
 256-656-1924


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 I BET they won't.

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 7:16 AM
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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers

 if only they'd fund online gambling

 On Dec 20, 2007 1:14 AM, Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  You may want to check this out.  Some pretty big heavy hitters putting
  this
  together.  Lookout PayPal, Visa.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers

[Gary Hurst]

no, i'm referring to the question of how one gets the money in and out of
the site.  this becomes more difficult all the time.

On Dec 20, 2007 10:05 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 They find through their losses. The funding you are referring to is the
 initial seed money to launch a site.

 Thanks,
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 256-656-1924


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
 Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:00 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers

 but for the gamblers to fund it, they do require a mechanism to do so, no?
 what the gamblers lack is not the money or desire to fund online gambling,
 but the actual means for doing so as government thugs have terrorized
 nearly
 everyone involved in the industry, in direct conflict with the WTO, btw.

 On Dec 20, 2007 9:53 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  There is already plenty of funding for on-line gambling. The funding
 comes
  from the gamblers themselves.
 
  Thanks,
  Tom Hargrave
  www.kegkits.com
  256-656-1924
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
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  On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro
  Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 8:31 AM
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  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers
 
  I BET they won't.
 
  -Original Message-
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
  Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 7:16 AM
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  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers
 
  if only they'd fund online gambling
 
  On Dec 20, 2007 1:14 AM, Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   You may want to check this out.  Some pretty big heavy hitters putting
   this
   together.  Lookout PayPal, Visa.
  
  
 http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/revolution_money_to_take_on_pa.php
  
   Harry
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Re: [MBZ] 123 frontend rebuild

[John Robbins]

tom savage wrote:
 Is AutoMedic in Tupelo still around?

Now I have something to check!  How good of a shop are they?

Thanks!
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Re: [MBZ] Conrad

[Timothy Robinson]

William Conrad was Matt Dillon in the radio version of Gunsmoke. He was
considered for the role when it went to television but because of his
obesity they went with James Arness.

He was a fighter pilot in WWII.



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 Was he on Gunsmoke? Didnt know that
 
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 William Conrad, as in, Jake and the fatman? Same guy, right?
 
 As in Gunsmoke.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this '85 CD!

[andrew strasfogel]

Much as I dislike poodles, I hope FeeFee survived OK...

On Dec 17, 2007 11:45 AM, Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I had two of those aunts. OY! Grace and Lura. Saying their driving skills
 were lacking is an understatement. Their kids just encouraged them to
 drive
 big cars for their safety and hoped for the best.

 Lura's son was with the state highway patrol and found a Ford Crown Vic
 with
 the police interceptor package at auction. The car was repainted a
 bright
 robin's egg blue. Stop signs and regulatory signs were only a
 suggestion
 for Aunt Lura. Luckily her range was only within a few miles of home,
 usually the local market and church on Sunday. She was given a wide path
 as she rounded off curves and ignored intersections. After all, she was in
 90s.

 Grace was the older sister with the 1978 red Mercury land yacht. As she
 got older and too frail to manage the heavy doors on the coupe she traded
 for a new Cadillac V-8 with the Northstar engine. She sat at a stop sign
 looking left, right, left, right, anticipating to cross the main four lane
 highway. Just as the Dodge Ram passed and she floored the accelerator she
 realised that she hadn't noticed the $30,000. bass boat he was towing. She
 sailed through it, splitting it in half.

 The prize must go to old Hazel though. She had a little balding dog which
 might have once been a toy poodle. FeeFee rode in the car whenever Hazel
 went out. Hazel had knitted the dog a little afghan which matched the
 pillows in the rear window of the 70's Chrysler Imperial. Returning one
 day
 from the grocery, Hazel pressed the garage door control and proceeded to
 manuever the tank into the basement garage. She glanced down and
 discovered FeeFee was cold and had shifted positions. Fearing to pinch
 the
 little dog with the brake pedal Hazel reacted in a split second to step on
 the accelerator. The Imperial lunged forward taking out the hot water
 heater, the oil furnace and exiting the other end of the basement through
 the cinderblocks.



  From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this '85 CD!
 
   ROFLMAO!!!  Good one!
  Gerry
  ..
  - Original Message -
  From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  OKJ so I have to tell another story.  Right after I got married we went
  to a (wife's) family reunion, mostly for her parents to show us off to
  everyone, a large family.  We hung around, had some food (no adult
  beverages, boo).  We were sitting there at a picnic table, and next to
  us at another picnic table (you know the standard kind, with the
 benches
  on either side, kinda A frame design), with two VERY large aunties
  sitting on one side, and 2 or 3 others sitting on the other side.  So
  the 2 or 3 others decide to get up and go get some more food, and when
  the last one raises up, the two large aunties tip the table, they go
 ass
  over and all the stuff on the table piles onto them.  Of course I
  started laughing like hell, which signaled our visit to the picnic was
  about over as it drew looks of disgust from the rest of the attendees
  who felt badly for the poor dears.  It was also pretty funny to watch
  them trying to extricate themselves and roll around trying to get up.
  My bad!
  --R
 
  Timothy Robinson wrote:
  I've seen too many of them park on a
  slope at a family picnic and have the door drag them out of the seat
 when
  they opened it.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] A Wicked Crazy Something

[Mitch Haley]

 http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/car/502857158.html
What's Craig's 240/300D doing on Craigslist in Orange County?
Love the dash cover. 

Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: John.. You still around??

[andrew strasfogel]

Everything Dubya does is political...

On Dec 8, 2007 4:43 PM, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What in creation is W doing chatting up Raul Castro?

 clay

 On 7 Dec 2007, at 20:16, Chuck Landenberger wrote:

  Don,
 
  Let's try this.
 
  Again.  This ain't a political statement...  Just
  Johnny B with a friend of his..
 
  Chuck,
 
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  On Dec 7, 2007, at 8:30 PM, Wonko the Sane wrote:
 
  Where's the photo?
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT, Suburban

[R A Bennell]

I have a client who used to run a big block 4X4 Suburban. This would have been 
old enough to be carb rather than
fi. He said it did about 6 mpg - summer, winter, highway, city, towing or not, 
loaded or empty. Almost no
variation - just a flat 6 mpg.

I don't think I can afford one of those.

Randy

-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, Suburban


Wonko the Sane wrote:

 My BIL (Jeff) has told me that the big SUV diesels get surprisingly good
 MPG., better than the smaller diesel blocks. That would lead me to believe
 that in the long run a 7.4 might actually be *more* fuel efficient than a
 5.7 version.

The 6.2 and 6.5 are decent diesels, and AFAIK, might be more efficient
than the original 5.7 conversion. However, the 454 gasser (AKA 7.4) is,
and always has been, a thirsty beast. IIRC a 454 Vette makes a 450SL look
thrifty, and a 'burb is worse.

Mitch.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers

[Tom Hargrave]

Getting money into a site is an issue with the site developer. Getting money
out of a site may be an issue with the developer or may be the owners
intentionally making the withdrawal a PIA (this is more likely).

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
 

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no, i'm referring to the question of how one gets the money in and out of
the site.  this becomes more difficult all the time.

On Dec 20, 2007 10:05 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 They find through their losses. The funding you are referring to is the
 initial seed money to launch a site.

 Thanks,
 Tom Hargrave
 www.kegkits.com
 256-656-1924


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 but for the gamblers to fund it, they do require a mechanism to do so, no?
 what the gamblers lack is not the money or desire to fund online gambling,
 but the actual means for doing so as government thugs have terrorized
 nearly
 everyone involved in the industry, in direct conflict with the WTO, btw.

 On Dec 20, 2007 9:53 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  There is already plenty of funding for on-line gambling. The funding
 comes
  from the gamblers themselves.
 
  Thanks,
  Tom Hargrave
  www.kegkits.com
  256-656-1924
 
 
  -Original Message-
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  On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro
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  I BET they won't.
 
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  if only they'd fund online gambling
 
  On Dec 20, 2007 1:14 AM, Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   You may want to check this out.  Some pretty big heavy hitters putting
   this
   together.  Lookout PayPal, Visa.
  
  
 http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/revolution_money_to_take_on_pa.php
  
   Harry
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Re: [MBZ] Johnny B pix

[andrew strasfogel]

I agree - such comparisons are disrespectful to the village idiot!
[Sorry - couldn't help myself.]
Diesel content:  Exxon idiesel s 25 cents/gal cheaper than any other seller
in NW D.C. @$3.25/gallon.  Chevron used to be the cheapest.  What's changed?

On Dec 8, 2007 5:03 PM, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes, I think the 'village idiot' stuff is not a good play here.
 BillR

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 On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:42:29 -0500 Glenn Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Johnny B. will be head and shoulders taller in historical stature than
  the dolt he's standing next to.

 There are those of us who strenuously disagree with that statement. This
 is probably a subject that's best left alone on this list.

 Craig

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Re: [MBZ] copper thieves

[LarryT]

Howdy,
ya know, rounding up on all transactions can mean millions of 
dollars/franc/whatever - years ago one of the 1st computer crime involved a 
programmer (or something) who added some code so each transaction was 
rounded down and the 1/2 penney, 3/4 penney/whatever was put into an account 
only he knew about - then as the money built up he would have that account 
issue checks to bogus companies he had created -

this was at a company that processed all the produce being picked in Ca 
(IIRC) so there were a LOT of transactions - every time a truck arrived full 
of tomatoes they'd pay them - and there were a lot of trucks.   The truck 
would get, say, $10,000.018  (based on weight) and the program would round 
the payment down to $10,000.01 and the extra $.008 would go his way.

This happened in the 60s or 70s I believe and not that many people were 
familiar with computers - and when the programmer was making things as 
complicated as possible it was even tougher to see what was happening.  Of 
course, he was eventually caught.

Also read that white collar criminals average $1million to $2Million 
dollars per crime while people who walk into a bank and say, Stick em up. 
get around $300.  Not very profitable considering the risk.

Copper stealing probably takes a lot of work considering the profit 
also.  Risk of getting caught would seem high also - although those on this 
list seem to keep getting hit -
;-)

Merry Christmas -
Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves


 In Australia we did away with our 1 and 2 cent pieces many moons ago,
 the Government just one day said it's time to get rid of the small
 shrapnel and round up and down.
 Although rounding up seemed to be the outcome.

 Hendrik

 Fmiser wrote:
 Christopher McCann wrote:

  Alternatives - eliminating the penny, plastic.


 Mitch wrote:

 Once upon a time, we eliminated the half penny. At that time,
 the penny became the lowest denomination coin, and AFAIK
 nobody had a problem with it. The quarter is probably worth as
 much now as the penny was then. I think we could do away with
 the penny AND the nickel. Mitch.


 Are you running for office? I'll vote for you! *grin*

 --   Philip




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Re: [MBZ] 123 frontend rebuild

[LarryT]

Whenever I mess with front suspensions I am always in fear of the spring. 
So anytime there is even the tinyist risk it might fly out, I put a chain 
though the spring and secure it.  That way, if the spring were to go 
Boooig! it wouldn;t go far.

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Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 frontend rebuild


 Luther,

 At the risk of having people get upset with me, I
 reply anyway.

 I have an 83 300D so I know this worked with my car. I
 had to replace the lower ball joints, so I jacked up
 the car and put jack stands under it near the front.

 Then I tried to put the spring compressor, which I
 bought from HF, on the spring. There wasn't enough
 room to use it so I decided to at least get the
 springs out and have the ball joints pressed in while
 I worry about getting another type of spring
 compressor to put it all together later. Since I was
 outside and knew that the springs could come out of
 there with quite a bit of force I made sure that there
 was nothing in the way to get damaged or no one there
 to get hurt just in case. Mind you I don't recommend
 that anyone do this as you could very likely get hurt
 big time.

 Then I put the floor jack right under the ball joint
 and jacked up a bit so I could disconnected
 everything. That done I got on the hood just to make
 sure that I wouldn't be in the firing line (OK so I'm
 a wimp and a scardy cat) and slowly let the jack down.
 Total anticlimax in this case. Nothing happened other
 then the jack went down and the spring relaxed. The
 spring was all loose in place with no tension on it at
 all. I made sure of that before I came down off the
 hood by poking it with a stick (yes I used to poke
 sleeping dogs also, I had to learn everything the hard
 way). In order to get the spring out I had to push
 down on the hub/control arm so that the control arm
 would go down far enough for the bottom of the spring
 to clear it's seat.

 Like I said, that was on my car. If it will be the
 same on yours I don't know. If anyone decides to try
 it this way they need to be aware that they are taking
 a risk of precipitating a catastrophic event that
 might cause irreparable harm to life limb and
 property! What can I say, I'm just a calculated risk
 taker. Mind you I do not like to gamble so that should
 tell you how closely I watch and assess the risks I
 take.

 Oh by the way, assembly was the reverse of disassembly
 and also went without any problems.

 Manfred



 Luther wrote;

 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:36:53 -0600
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 I have, but I spoke with Rusty on the phone today and
 his thoughts were

 that the U/L control arms and brake track rod can be
 done withOUT using
 a
 (and only THE) spring compressor.  I'm wondering who
 has done the front

 end like this, and how they did it?  Thanks,
 Luther


 
 
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Re: [MBZ] copper thieves

[Luther]

I've got about 50-60 feet of  that I pulled from a construction dumpster.  
I'm thinking that I should strip the insulation and take it to the local 
recycler for some 's.

Luther, copper thief?

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:31:56 -0600, Bill  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Had breakfast with my pastor last week; thought he looked a bit like someone
 who had a bad day or so.  Turns out thieves destroyed  6 AC units from the
 church the morning before - including three we just had replaced for about
 $15k.  $33k damage this time [$5k deductable].  From talking to the police
 it seems that is going on a lot around here.  One church under construction
 in our area had 12 units demolished, replaced them, and lost the 12 again 2
 days later.  We have been trying to come up with good ways to make theft
 harder, but that is lots of $$ also.  I'm thinking a large rattlesnake in
 each unit might do the trick.   A couple of guys with a smoke wrench or a
 decent cutter can get into about anything.   Too bad I don't have any use
 for 6 compressors .  Is that sort of thing going on in the rest of the
 country also?  My guess is that the thieves made @$600 on the scrap copper
 for all the damage they caused.   Bummer.

 BillR

 Jacksonville FL

 1981 300SD  297k miles, and happy it is not made of copper.





-- 
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'85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi)
'82 300CD (166 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
'85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine

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Re: [MBZ] 123 frontend rebuild

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

Well then you need THE spring compressor.

---
Kaleb C. Striplin
Cox Auto Trader
730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor

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 (#$(@)%^#)($ $  That's the reason Dad's TD is out of alignment.

 On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:57:22 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers

[Robert Rentfro]

I bet those online gambler guys feel rested and festive after they've done
their gambling since most of those places are like in Fiji and Guam and the
Bahamas, right? I now I'd feel refreshed after dropping 100Gs thru a
Caribbean bank.

Bob R.

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but for the gamblers to fund it, they do require a mechanism to do so, no?
what the gamblers lack is not the money or desire to fund online gambling,
but the actual means for doing so as government thugs have terrorized nearly
everyone involved in the industry, in direct conflict with the WTO, btw.

On Dec 20, 2007 9:53 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There is already plenty of funding for on-line gambling. The funding comes
 from the gamblers themselves.

 Thanks,
 Tom Hargrave
 www.kegkits.com
 256-656-1924


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 I BET they won't.

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 Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 7:16 AM
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 if only they'd fund online gambling

 On Dec 20, 2007 1:14 AM, Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  You may want to check this out.  Some pretty big heavy hitters putting
  this
  together.  Lookout PayPal, Visa.
 
  http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/revolution_money_to_take_on_pa.php
 
  Harry
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Re: [MBZ] Johnny B pix

[Gary Hurst]

you don't like johnny B that much?

On Dec 8, 2007 11:54 AM, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:42:29 -0500 Glenn Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Johnny B. will be head and shoulders taller in historical stature than
  the dolt he's standing next to.

 There are those of us who strenuously disagree with that statement. This
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Re: [MBZ] copper thieves

[Rich Thomas]

The good places will strip it for you for free.  Competition and all...

--R

Luther wrote:
 I've got about 50-60 feet of  that I pulled from a construction dumpster. 
  I'm thinking that I should strip the insulation and take it to the local 
 recycler for some 's.

 Luther, copper thief?

   


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Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers

[Gary Hurst]

if this were banned, i'd be calling you all kind of really vile names right
now

On Dec 20, 2007 11:44 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Getting money into a site is an issue with the site developer. Getting
 money
 out of a site may be an issue with the developer or may be the owners
 intentionally making the withdrawal a PIA (this is more likely).

 Thanks,
 Tom Hargrave
 www.kegkits.com
 256-656-1924


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
 Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:13 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers

 no, i'm referring to the question of how one gets the money in and out of
 the site.  this becomes more difficult all the time.

 On Dec 20, 2007 10:05 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  They find through their losses. The funding you are referring to is the
  initial seed money to launch a site.
 
  Thanks,
  Tom Hargrave
  www.kegkits.com
  256-656-1924
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
  Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:00 AM
  To: Mercedes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers
 
  but for the gamblers to fund it, they do require a mechanism to do so,
 no?
  what the gamblers lack is not the money or desire to fund online
 gambling,
  but the actual means for doing so as government thugs have terrorized
  nearly
  everyone involved in the industry, in direct conflict with the WTO, btw.
 
  On Dec 20, 2007 9:53 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   There is already plenty of funding for on-line gambling. The funding
  comes
   from the gamblers themselves.
  
   Thanks,
   Tom Hargrave
   www.kegkits.com
   256-656-1924
  
  
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   On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro
   Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 8:31 AM
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   Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers
  
   I BET they won't.
  
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   if only they'd fund online gambling
  
   On Dec 20, 2007 1:14 AM, Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
You may want to check this out.  Some pretty big heavy hitters
 putting
this
together.  Lookout PayPal, Visa.
   
   
  http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/revolution_money_to_take_on_pa.php
   
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Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers

[Gary Hurst]

more like antigua and costa rica.  i'm just one of the millions of nickel
and dime players out there, but there are guys who contest for five and six
figures every day.

On Dec 20, 2007 1:29 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I bet those online gambler guys feel rested and festive after they've done
 their gambling since most of those places are like in Fiji and Guam and
 the
 Bahamas, right? I now I'd feel refreshed after dropping 100Gs thru a
 Caribbean bank.

 Bob R.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
 Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 8:00 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers

 but for the gamblers to fund it, they do require a mechanism to do so, no?
 what the gamblers lack is not the money or desire to fund online gambling,
 but the actual means for doing so as government thugs have terrorized
 nearly
 everyone involved in the industry, in direct conflict with the WTO, btw.

 On Dec 20, 2007 9:53 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  There is already plenty of funding for on-line gambling. The funding
 comes
  from the gamblers themselves.
 
  Thanks,
  Tom Hargrave
  www.kegkits.com
  256-656-1924
 
 
  -Original Message-
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  On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro
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  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers
 
  I BET they won't.
 
  -Original Message-
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  On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
  Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 7:16 AM
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  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers
 
  if only they'd fund online gambling
 
  On Dec 20, 2007 1:14 AM, Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   You may want to check this out.  Some pretty big heavy hitters putting
   this
   together.  Lookout PayPal, Visa.
  
  
 http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/revolution_money_to_take_on_pa.php
  
   Harry
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Re: [MBZ] A Wicked Crazy Something

[Kevin Kraly]

http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/car/502857158.html

My parents are flying down there today, and if I had the $2100, I would be 
AWEFULLY TEMPTED to have them drive it back.  That would be a fun car!

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula 


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[MBZ] unimog

[tony . bateman]

I'd like to have this stump puller
http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/car/510215777.html

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Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers

[Tom Hargrave]

Why? I have a friend who's been playing on-line poker with real money. He
has discovered that it's very difficult to get his money from the site. I
poked around  it sure looks intentional to me.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 12:39 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers

if this were banned, i'd be calling you all kind of really vile names right
now

On Dec 20, 2007 11:44 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Getting money into a site is an issue with the site developer. Getting
 money
 out of a site may be an issue with the developer or may be the owners
 intentionally making the withdrawal a PIA (this is more likely).

 Thanks,
 Tom Hargrave
 www.kegkits.com
 256-656-1924


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
 Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:13 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers

 no, i'm referring to the question of how one gets the money in and out of
 the site.  this becomes more difficult all the time.

 On Dec 20, 2007 10:05 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  They find through their losses. The funding you are referring to is the
  initial seed money to launch a site.
 
  Thanks,
  Tom Hargrave
  www.kegkits.com
  256-656-1924
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
  Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:00 AM
  To: Mercedes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers
 
  but for the gamblers to fund it, they do require a mechanism to do so,
 no?
  what the gamblers lack is not the money or desire to fund online
 gambling,
  but the actual means for doing so as government thugs have terrorized
  nearly
  everyone involved in the industry, in direct conflict with the WTO, btw.
 
  On Dec 20, 2007 9:53 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   There is already plenty of funding for on-line gambling. The funding
  comes
   from the gamblers themselves.
  
   Thanks,
   Tom Hargrave
   www.kegkits.com
   256-656-1924
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
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   On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro
   Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 8:31 AM
   To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
   Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers
  
   I BET they won't.
  
   -Original Message-
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   On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
   Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 7:16 AM
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   Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers
  
   if only they'd fund online gambling
  
   On Dec 20, 2007 1:14 AM, Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
You may want to check this out.  Some pretty big heavy hitters
 putting
this
together.  Lookout PayPal, Visa.
   
   
  http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/revolution_money_to_take_on_pa.php
   
Harry
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Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers

[Tom Hargrave]

Those who own the gambling site love collecting  spending your American
money. And even though it may be nickels  dimes, I bet that they drag
hundreds out of your wallet every year.

I have nothing against gambling - I'll go to a casino  play cards against
other players for money. I have an issue with online games where you can't
see the other players  can't know if the odds have been artificially
stacked against you.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 12:47 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers

more like antigua and costa rica.  i'm just one of the millions of nickel
and dime players out there, but there are guys who contest for five and six
figures every day.

On Dec 20, 2007 1:29 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I bet those online gambler guys feel rested and festive after they've done
 their gambling since most of those places are like in Fiji and Guam and
 the
 Bahamas, right? I now I'd feel refreshed after dropping 100Gs thru a
 Caribbean bank.

 Bob R.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
 Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 8:00 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers

 but for the gamblers to fund it, they do require a mechanism to do so, no?
 what the gamblers lack is not the money or desire to fund online gambling,
 but the actual means for doing so as government thugs have terrorized
 nearly
 everyone involved in the industry, in direct conflict with the WTO, btw.

 On Dec 20, 2007 9:53 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  There is already plenty of funding for on-line gambling. The funding
 comes
  from the gamblers themselves.
 
  Thanks,
  Tom Hargrave
  www.kegkits.com
  256-656-1924
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro
  Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 8:31 AM
  To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers
 
  I BET they won't.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
  Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 7:16 AM
  To: Mercedes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers
 
  if only they'd fund online gambling
 
  On Dec 20, 2007 1:14 AM, Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   You may want to check this out.  Some pretty big heavy hitters putting
   this
   together.  Lookout PayPal, Visa.
  
  
 http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/revolution_money_to_take_on_pa.php
  
   Harry
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Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers

[Gary Hurst]

it is difficult because the government makes it difficult

On Dec 20, 2007 2:14 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Why? I have a friend who's been playing on-line poker with real money. He
 has discovered that it's very difficult to get his money from the site. I
 poked around  it sure looks intentional to me.

 Thanks,
 Tom Hargrave
 www.kegkits.com
 256-656-1924


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
 Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 12:39 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers

 if this were banned, i'd be calling you all kind of really vile names
 right
 now

 On Dec 20, 2007 11:44 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Getting money into a site is an issue with the site developer. Getting
  money
  out of a site may be an issue with the developer or may be the owners
  intentionally making the withdrawal a PIA (this is more likely).
 
  Thanks,
  Tom Hargrave
  www.kegkits.com
  256-656-1924
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
  Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:13 AM
  To: Mercedes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers
 
  no, i'm referring to the question of how one gets the money in and out
 of
  the site.  this becomes more difficult all the time.
 
  On Dec 20, 2007 10:05 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   They find through their losses. The funding you are referring to is
 the
   initial seed money to launch a site.
  
   Thanks,
   Tom Hargrave
   www.kegkits.com
   256-656-1924
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
   Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:00 AM
   To: Mercedes Discussion List
   Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers
  
   but for the gamblers to fund it, they do require a mechanism to do so,
  no?
   what the gamblers lack is not the money or desire to fund online
  gambling,
   but the actual means for doing so as government thugs have terrorized
   nearly
   everyone involved in the industry, in direct conflict with the WTO,
 btw.
  
   On Dec 20, 2007 9:53 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
There is already plenty of funding for on-line gambling. The funding
   comes
from the gamblers themselves.
   
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
   
   
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
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On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 8:31 AM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers
   
I BET they won't.
   
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
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On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 7:16 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty, Kaleb, retailers
   
if only they'd fund online gambling
   
On Dec 20, 2007 1:14 AM, Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 You may want to check this out.  Some pretty big heavy hitters
  putting
 this
 together.  Lookout PayPal, Visa.


  
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Re: [MBZ] Good Omen

[andrew strasfogel]

Bloomsburg and Milton Wyoming?  Mass.?
On Dec 11, 2007 4:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Tuesday, Dec 10, 2007 about 4:00 AM Eastbound on Route 80 somewhere
 between
 Bloomsburg and Milton,  Saw a car carrier pulling a mid 1960 MB 110
 Chassis
 I think.  About a mile down the road passed a 1983 or so 123 chassis 300D
 chugging along too. Thought it was neat to see them so close.  The 110
 chassis looked to be in great shape.

 Regards Tom Scordato



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Re: [MBZ] Regina back

[andrew strasfogel]

I am curious as to how the kids are reacting to this turn of events so far.
Excited?  Quiet?  Glum?

On Dec 13, 2007 8:56 AM, Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Kaleb,

 Thanks for letting us know.  I was beginning to wonder about the children
 and your wife's status.


 Dave H...

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 Subject: [MBZ] Regina back

  Regina got back last night with the kids.  We still do not have power
 but
  I was able to borrow a generator to run the basics.  Came in to work for
 a
  little bit this morning, but will be off the rest of the week so I wont
 be
  able to get email unless the power comes back on.  Well, that and my
  internet access.  The gen will run the computer but my ISP is also down.
  Anyway, more updates later.
 
  ---
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Re: [MBZ] Regina back

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

Well they are still a bit wild and out of control so to speak.  Will take 
some work to get them to behave properly.

---
Kaleb C. Striplin
Cox Auto Trader
730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor

- Original Message - 
From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Regina back


I am curious as to how the kids are reacting to this turn of events so far.
 Excited?  Quiet?  Glum?

 On Dec 13, 2007 8:56 AM, Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Kaleb,

 Thanks for letting us know.  I was beginning to wonder about the children
 and your wife's status.


 Dave H...

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 From: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:52 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; Banned List
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [MBZ] Regina back

  Regina got back last night with the kids.  We still do not have power
 but
  I was able to borrow a generator to run the basics.  Came in to work 
  for
 a
  little bit this morning, but will be off the rest of the week so I wont
 be
  able to get email unless the power comes back on.  Well, that and my
  internet access.  The gen will run the computer but my ISP is also 
  down.
  Anyway, more updates later.
 
  ---
  Kaleb C. Striplin
  Cox Auto Trader
  730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor
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Re: [MBZ] Regina back

[Rusty Cullens]

Did you get my check?


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- Original Message - 
From: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Regina back


 Well they are still a bit wild and out of control so to speak.  Will take
 some work to get them to behave properly.

 ---
 Kaleb C. Striplin
 Cox Auto Trader
 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor

 - Original Message - 
 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 2:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Regina back


I am curious as to how the kids are reacting to this turn of events so 
far.
 Excited?  Quiet?  Glum?

 On Dec 13, 2007 8:56 AM, Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Kaleb,

 Thanks for letting us know.  I was beginning to wonder about the 
 children
 and your wife's status.


 Dave H...

 --
 From: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:52 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; Banned List
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [MBZ] Regina back

  Regina got back last night with the kids.  We still do not have power
 but
  I was able to borrow a generator to run the basics.  Came in to work
  for
 a
  little bit this morning, but will be off the rest of the week so I 
  wont
 be
  able to get email unless the power comes back on.  Well, that and my
  internet access.  The gen will run the computer but my ISP is also
  down.
  Anyway, more updates later.
 
  ---
  Kaleb C. Striplin
  Cox Auto Trader
  730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor
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Re: [MBZ] Good Omen

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

No-central PA-my old stomping grounds. 

Bissell Cove Quahog  Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 2:59 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Good Omen

Bloomsburg and Milton Wyoming?  Mass.?
On Dec 11, 2007 4:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Tuesday, Dec 10, 2007 about 4:00 AM Eastbound on Route 80 somewhere
 between
 Bloomsburg and Milton,  Saw a car carrier pulling a mid 1960 MB 110
 Chassis
 I think.  About a mile down the road passed a 1983 or so 123 chassis 300D
 chugging along too. Thought it was neat to see them so close.  The 110
 chassis looked to be in great shape.

 Regards Tom Scordato



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Re: [MBZ] Theres a use for a K car

[andrew strasfogel]

Sorry about John Inman.  Are You Being Served is stricly a show for my
SWMBO sig oth.

On Dec 14, 2007 2:11 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 And http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Inman

 On Dec 14, 2007 12:04 PM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Red Green is right up there in TV Land firmament with Fawlty Towers and
  Monty Python as our favorite comedies.
 
  On Dec 14, 2007 12:15 PM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   I didn't think it possible...
   http://youtube.com/watch?v=c-Lnfpulwjcfeature=related
  
   -Curt
  
  
   -
   Never miss a thing.   Make Yahoo your homepage.
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Re: [MBZ] Regina back

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

If you mailed one Im sure I did.  I have a pile of mail to go thru which I 
will probably do tonight.  I will thank you in advance though!!!  I will 
also thank you when I go thru the pile.

Kaleb

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- Original Message - 
From: Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Regina back


 Did you get my check?


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 - Original Message - 
 From: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 3:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Regina back


 Well they are still a bit wild and out of control so to speak.  Will take
 some work to get them to behave properly.

 ---
 Kaleb C. Striplin
 Cox Auto Trader
 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor

 - Original Message - 
 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 2:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Regina back


I am curious as to how the kids are reacting to this turn of events so
far.
 Excited?  Quiet?  Glum?

 On Dec 13, 2007 8:56 AM, Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Kaleb,

 Thanks for letting us know.  I was beginning to wonder about the
 children
 and your wife's status.


 Dave H...

 --
 From: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:52 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; Banned List
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [MBZ] Regina back

  Regina got back last night with the kids.  We still do not have power
 but
  I was able to borrow a generator to run the basics.  Came in to work
  for
 a
  little bit this morning, but will be off the rest of the week so I
  wont
 be
  able to get email unless the power comes back on.  Well, that and my
  internet access.  The gen will run the computer but my ISP is also
  down.
  Anyway, more updates later.
 
  ---
  Kaleb C. Striplin
  Cox Auto Trader
  730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor
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Re: [MBZ] Keeping Warm!

[andrew strasfogel]

If it's this cold now, what will it be like in February in Winnipeg?  One
shudders to think about it...

On Dec 14, 2007 5:36 PM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, I didn't walk to work. I used the Supercrew in 4 wheel drive and
 stopped for coffee on the way even though I
 can essentially see the office from my house if I try hard enough.

 Randy

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
 Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 4:01 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keeping Warm!


 And I was proud of walking to work (then home for lunch, and then back to
 work) in +4F temps!

 On Dec 14, 2007 3:59 PM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Need to keep warm here today. A bit on the cool side and windy to boot.
 A
  blizzard yesterday morning which
  essentially just means cold and blowing snow that reduces visibility
  enough that they close most of the highways.
  Not bad inside the City but pretty bad in the open areas outside of the
  City. Sort of flat and open in all
  directions out of Winnipeg.  Fellow on the radio this morning says it
 was
  -25F this AM and with windchill more
  like -40F.
 



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Re: [MBZ] Regina back

[Rusty Cullens]

I just wanted to check because it hasn't cleared yet and it has been 10 
days.


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- Original Message - 
From: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Regina back


 If you mailed one Im sure I did.  I have a pile of mail to go thru which I
 will probably do tonight.  I will thank you in advance though!!!  I will
 also thank you when I go thru the pile.

 Kaleb

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 - Original Message - 
 From: Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 2:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Regina back


 Did you get my check?


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 - Original Message - 
 From: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 3:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Regina back


 Well they are still a bit wild and out of control so to speak.  Will 
 take
 some work to get them to behave properly.

 ---
 Kaleb C. Striplin
 Cox Auto Trader
 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor

 - Original Message - 
 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 2:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Regina back


I am curious as to how the kids are reacting to this turn of events so
far.
 Excited?  Quiet?  Glum?

 On Dec 13, 2007 8:56 AM, Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Kaleb,

 Thanks for letting us know.  I was beginning to wonder about the
 children
 and your wife's status.


 Dave H...

 --
 From: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:52 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; Banned List
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [MBZ] Regina back

  Regina got back last night with the kids.  We still do not have 
  power
 but
  I was able to borrow a generator to run the basics.  Came in to work
  for
 a
  little bit this morning, but will be off the rest of the week so I
  wont
 be
  able to get email unless the power comes back on.  Well, that and my
  internet access.  The gen will run the computer but my ISP is also
  down.
  Anyway, more updates later.
 
  ---
  Kaleb C. Striplin
  Cox Auto Trader
  730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor
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Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT

[andrew strasfogel]

I had two fireplace inserts (with blowers) in the old house and they worked
great, although by burning a couple cord of yellow pine I managed to ignite
a chimney fire...



On Dec 15, 2007 12:01 AM, Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sounds like a version of a ram pump.

  From: John M McIntosh  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List
  mercedes@okiebenz.com 
  Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:05:26 -0800
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT
 
   I was watching a home improvement show where they showed an
  alternative to
  this for the sump pump. It's a special pump which uses pressurized
  water to suck in water then off
  to the waste line.  When the power is off and the sump pump called for
  it opens the water line and away it goes...
 
  wastes *lots* of drinkable water, but does provide sump pump action in
  a power failure.
  was not cheap $700.
 
  On Dec 14, 2007, at 6:07 PM, Timothy Robinson wrote:
 
  So...Check the current your furnace (blower) demands. Buy a small
  inverter.
  I got a 1,500W one online for about $69.00 a few years ago for sump
  pump
  (just in case). Get a deep cell battery. You're set. I keep the
  battery on a
  trickle charge. Before investing in the generator I'd use the
  inverter in
  power outtages and recharge the battery with one of the crs if
  necessary.
 
  John
  1983 300TDt  384k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
  1990's 300TDt  214k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
  1993 500SEL 202k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
 
 
 
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[MBZ] ebay auction of the week

[Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT)]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-Mercedes-Benz-300-Series_W0QQitemZ170179857155QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item170179857155

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Re: [MBZ] Wooo

[andrew strasfogel]

I got a kick out of this:

Born and raised in San Jose California, been in mass for just over a year.
possibly working radio. She runs fine is in good condition and I'm asking
$3000 or best offer. SERIOUS INQUIRIES ONLY please

If the car really was born and raised in San Jose this must be a US model.


On Dec 17, 2007 11:10 PM, Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Curt, Dwight.
 You two are going to be the death of me!
 Thanks guys. I had a 220D in 1976 and enjoyed it in my solitary newly
 divorced state 1978.
 Not the car that I would waste in a NE salt laden winter. Like it though.
 Fred Moir
 Lynn MA
 Diesel deprived.


 On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
 Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 9:35 PM
 To: Diesel List
 Subject: [MBZ] Wooo
 
 http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/car/512574683.html
 
 Hey Fred maybe you wanna check this one out...
 -Curt



At 10:05 PM 12/17/2007, you wrote:
 Yes, this is a definite Fred mobile. Classy.
 
 Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
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[MBZ] if this stays cheap, it would be worth messing with

[Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT)]

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Re: [MBZ] CL Crack Smoker

[andrew strasfogel]

If he has all the records he could probably get that figure from an ebay
bidding war.

On Dec 15, 2007 6:29 PM, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Wow!  15K for a NA 300D?  It may only have 30Kmi on it, but all of the
 rubber bits from the door/window/trunk seals to the engine mounts and susp
 bushings still age with time.  I guess I'll have to pass on this one. :-)

 Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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Re: [MBZ] 1986 190D 2.5 on Portland OR CL $1500

[andrew strasfogel]

nevermind - posting was deleted.

On Dec 15, 2007 7:05 PM, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This may be a good, cheap driver or a money pit, anyone's guess.

 http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/510126760.html

 It does have an ATS rebuilt tranny in it which, IIRC, didn't have a good
 reputation.

 Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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Re: [MBZ] Strange Smell from Crankcase - Snake Oil Suspicion

[andrew strasfogel]

Antifreeze has a sickly sweet smell but that's is something you probably
didn't want to hear...



On Dec 16, 2007 1:13 AM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You know, I thought about doing that. But I have to ask myself what I'd do
 with bad news. I am not prepared to put any money into the vehicle. So
 maybe
 I'll stay blissfully ignorant? Hmmm.
 Brian

 On Dec 15, 2007 4:03 PM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  I wouldn't worry about it.
  But to find out whats going on in the engine theres only one word you
 need
  to know analysis, as in oil analysis.
  www.youroil.net Larry would love to hear from you.
 
  Speaking of which I need to get on the stick and put in an order.
 
  -Curt
 
  Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:51:50 -0800
  From: John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Strange Smell from Crankcase - Snake Oil Suspicion
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
 
 
  On Dec 15, 2007, at 2:50 AM, Zoltan Finks wrote:
 
   This smell sound familiar? Boy, that sentence sounds weird - rather
   - looks
   weird.
  
   Any thoughts?
  
   Brian
 
  some evil telfon based product?
 
  I'd say you've some gallons of really cheap CF rated oil you'll need
  to buy and run for 20 miles or so to
  help flush out what ever it is before you stick in some decent oil for
 
  longer term (thousand? mile) usage.
  likely change that new filter too? Mind be interesting to see what's
  in it...
 
  John
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  1990's 300TDt  214k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
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Re: [MBZ] if this stays cheap, it would be worth messing with

[Allan Streib]

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Better read his feedback.

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Re: [MBZ] if this stays cheap, it would be worth messing with

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

yea, you got a point.

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- Original Message - 
From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 4:04 PM
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 Better read his feedback.

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Re: [MBZ] Keeping Warm!

[R A Bennell]

Well, one never knows. Today it is much warmer but that makes it very messy. 
Would like to have the royalties from
the sale of windshield washer fluid today. Sand spread on the snow/ice is 
making things very dirty looking. No
fresh white snow now. February can be cold or not so cold. Usually, the worst 
of the cold weather is right around
the first couple of weeks of January. Once we get beyond that we usually think 
we are on the way to spring. The
days get longer and it is light later. This time of year, it is getting dark by 
4:30 or 5 PM. By the end of
January, we will have gained a half hour or more of light and that makes one 
feel like there is hope for better
things to come even if it does stay cold. A lot of it is a mental thing. It 
really does not feel all that bad at
minus 30 at noon when the sun is shining and the sky is blue but at 5 PM when 
it is dark, that feels real cold.

Randy

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 2:23 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keeping Warm!


If it's this cold now, what will it be like in February in Winnipeg?  One
shudders to think about it...

On Dec 14, 2007 5:36 PM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, I didn't walk to work. I used the Supercrew in 4 wheel drive and
 stopped for coffee on the way even though I
 can essentially see the office from my house if I try hard enough.

 Randy

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
 Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 4:01 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keeping Warm!


 And I was proud of walking to work (then home for lunch, and then back to
 work) in +4F temps!

 On Dec 14, 2007 3:59 PM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Need to keep warm here today. A bit on the cool side and windy to boot.
 A
  blizzard yesterday morning which
  essentially just means cold and blowing snow that reduces visibility
  enough that they close most of the highways.
  Not bad inside the City but pretty bad in the open areas outside of the
  City. Sort of flat and open in all
  directions out of Winnipeg.  Fellow on the radio this morning says it
 was
  -25F this AM and with windchill more
  like -40F.
 



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[MBZ] Alternative energy news

[David Bruckmann]

Gang,

Two amazing pieces of news today in alternative energy:

At $1 per Watt, the iTunes of Solar Energy Has Arrived

http://www.solveclimate.com/blog/20071219/1-watt-itunes-solar-energy-has-arrived


and

Stanford researcher claims lithium ion breakthrough

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/12/19/stanford-researcher-claims-lithium-ion-breakthrough/


Wonder if anyone's ever done an electric W123!

D.

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[MBZ] 300TD man-tran has a harsh growl in neutral

[Euan]

Hi there folks

My 1985 300TD 5-spd manual developed a harsh metallic growl yesterday. 
It growls when the engine is running, with the clutch (unfamiliar to 
most of you, I guess) out and the gearbox in neutral (of course). 
Happened all of a sudden, and is most audible (read, very audible) at idle.

Doesn't sound to me as though the growl originates in the gearbox 
anywhere near the cabin. Sounds much further forward than that, well 
into the engine bay.

Any ideas?

Cheers, and Happy (growl-free) Christmas to you all.

Euan
1985 300TD 5-spd manual
208K mi





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Re: [MBZ] Theres a use for a K car

[Donald Snook]

Andrew S. wrote: 

 

Are You Being Served is stricly a show for my SWMBO sig oth.

 

I LOVE that show.  Captain Peacock, Young Mr. Grace, Mrs. Slocum.  What
a great show! 

 

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Re: [MBZ] Glow light - '90 300D 2.5

[OK Don]

OK - I'm calling it a relay, and you're calling it an amp - that's
what was confusing me.

On Dec 20, 2007 7:30 AM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yep, the GP amp that's mounted on the left front inner fender near the ABS
 equipment.  New one lasted about 2 weeks. The replacement has been going
 strong for 2+ years.  both came from MB.

 I checked my GP first - using the battery charger method - attaching battery
 charger to each GP and counting the time until the tip was cherry red. 12-15
 sec was my target.  They all checked out leaving the Amp as the only
 possiblility.  BTW, I also confirmed the wiring between amp and GPs was good
 using the WSM method.

 Good luck -

 Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)

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Re: [MBZ] Keeping Warm!

[Curt Raymond]

I checked and I'm sure I don't want to hear it.
We've got 18-20 of snow on the ground right now and they're saying we might 
get another 6. I've NEVER seen this kind of snow in MA before Christmas...

And to think I've got a new-to-me snowmobile, and I took a sick day today 
(cough cough) and I can't go outside because I've got this stupid video to 
finish.
Somehow I thought editing a 2 hour dance showcase would be a bit less 
boring. This is brutal, I've been at it all day and I've still got 5 dances 
left to go.

Some of the dancers are sure fun to look at though.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:22:38 -0500
From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keeping Warm!
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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If it's this cold now, what will it be like in February in Winnipeg?
  One
shudders to think about it...



   
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Re: [MBZ] Keeping Warm!

[Robert Rentfro]

Woo Hoo...dance showcase videos. I got a million of them on my shelves from
two daughters with a total of 18 years of dance time 'tween them.

Bob R.

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 4:55 PM
To: Diesel List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keeping Warm!


I checked and I'm sure I don't want to hear it.
We've got 18-20 of snow on the ground right now and they're saying we might
get another 6. I've NEVER seen this kind of snow in MA before Christmas...

And to think I've got a new-to-me snowmobile, and I took a sick day today
(cough cough) and I can't go outside because I've got this stupid video to
finish.
Somehow I thought editing a 2 hour dance showcase would be a bit less
boring. This is brutal, I've been at it all day and I've still got 5 dances
left to go.

Some of the dancers are sure fun to look at though.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:22:38 -0500
From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keeping Warm!
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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If it's this cold now, what will it be like in February in Winnipeg?
  One
shudders to think about it...



   
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Re: [MBZ] 123 frontend rebuild

[OK Don]

Or someone else to do it ;-)

On Dec 20, 2007 12:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well then you need THE spring compressor.


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Re: [MBZ] Regina back

[OK Don]

He hasn't had power, so couldn't see to open snail mail ;-)

On Dec 20, 2007 2:28 PM, Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I just wanted to check because it hasn't cleared yet and it has been 10
 days.


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Re: [MBZ] 300TD man-tran has a harsh growl in neutral

[archer]

Do you service/repair the car yourself?  If so, these would be the first 
things to try:

The first things to do immediately after a several km trip are:
1. Check the oil level and the color of the oil in the transmission.  The 
oil in the transmission should be the color of automatic transmission fluid. 
Who changed it or added to it last?  Was Mobil 1 or another brand of ATF 
used?  Is oil leaking around the transmission?  Have you noticed any 
difference in the way the car shifts?
2. Check the oil level in the steering pump.
3. Listen under the car and under the hood to try and pinpoint the noise. 
When you jack up the car to listen to the transmission, be sure and use a 
good quality jack on a firm surface and block the wheels with the emergency 
brake on.

Others on the list will have more suggestions after you report back.
Good luck,
Gerry Archer
'83 300D and 240D

--
 Hi there folks
 My 1985 300TD 5-spd manual developed a harsh metallic growl yesterday.
 It growls when the engine is running, with the clutch (unfamiliar to
 most of you, I guess) out and the gearbox in neutral (of course).
 Happened all of a sudden, and is most audible (read, very audible) at 
 idle.

 Doesn't sound to me as though the growl originates in the gearbox
 anywhere near the cabin. Sounds much further forward than that, well
 into the engine bay.

 Any ideas?

 Cheers, and Happy (growl-free) Christmas to you all.

 Euan
 1985 300TD 5-spd manual
 208K mi





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Re: [MBZ] unimog

[tom savage]

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 I'd like to have this stump puller
 http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/car/510215777.html

Those are great stump pullers.  Put it in first (normally start in 
third), let the clutch out, and wonder exactly how much slack was in 
that chain as I haven't yet felt any resistance from the tree uprooting. 
  Turned out I'd pulled the (admittedly not very big) dead tree five 
feet.  Who needs horsepower when you've got gears?

I think 1956 is still a non-synchro transmission.  Might want to hold 
out for a newer one.

Tom

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Re: [MBZ] 123 frontend rebuild

[tom savage]

John Robbins wrote:
 tom savage wrote:
 Is AutoMedic in Tupelo still around?
 
 Now I have something to check!  How good of a shop are they?

Well, my experience is ten years old and I didn't know anything about 
cars then, but they did a good job on the fuel pump and wonky idle on my 
450SEL.  They were nice and didn't mess up anything else while they were 
working on it.

There used to be a guy in Yoknapatawpha who was reputed to be a real 
whiz.  I stopped by his (very nice) shop once, but he was having severe 
health problems at the time and I don't know if he's still around or 
not; might be worth checking into.

Tom

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Re: [MBZ] ebay auction of the week

[Hendrik Fay]

Hmmnh, phantom lake YMCA? More like phantom car and 100% of the sale 
proceeds will go to Mr Scammer for his spiritual growth.

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Re: [MBZ] Regina back

[Wonko the Sane]

Look to the east, young man -- up rises the magic sphere of light!

On 12/20/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 He hasn't had power, so couldn't see to open snail mail ;-)

 On Dec 20, 2007 2:28 PM, Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I just wanted to check because it hasn't cleared yet and it has been 10
  days.
 

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Re: [MBZ] Toyota

[RELNGSON]

Given that a base corolla starts at 20K Oz beans and the base C class 
starts a 60K beans I suppose I would have to amend my earlier statement to a 
1/3 of 
the price, sorry for getting you all flustered Roger. Actually the Aurion is 
not a bad looking car and has a 200KW V6 but is front wheel drive.

I am not the least flustered   because your price comparisons have nothing to 
do with the US market. The Toyotas are built in this country and the MB is 
not, obviously. And no sane person would compare A Corolla with any new MB sold 
here. And, I have driven the current Corolla as a free dealer service loaner 
and it is a wretched machine. Noisy, tippy, and uncomfortable. The base price 
on my C300 Luxury (stupid name, admittedly) was $34375. The Corolla 1.8 auto is 
$16315 according to Edmunds, about 48% of the C's base. Both of these before 
negotiations. 

The Corolla is just the thing for a girl's first car and there are plenty of 
them on the used market. Of course, when one buys with price as the only 
factor, sacrifices must be made. Do you reacll the old quote about knowing the 
price of everything and the value of nothing?

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Re: [MBZ] the first Mr. Dillon

[RELNGSON]

 I thought that was Robert Conrad, as in Baa Baa Black Sheep
 
Nope.

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Re: [MBZ] Theres a use for a K car

[Wonko the Sane]

I love it too. I have the supervisory skills of Captain Peacock and
walk/remember like Young Mr. Grace!

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 I LOVE that show.  Captain Peacock, Young Mr. Grace, Mrs. Slocum.  What
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Re: [MBZ] the first Mr. Dillon

[Wonko the Sane]

One of the Washington DC PBS stations used to play old radio shows every
Sunday night.

I'd listen to Robert Conrad as Matt Dillon in ... (cue music) ...
GUNSMOKE every
Sunday. It came on late enough (I think midnight) that I'd fall asleep
listening, since I had to bet up at 4:00 am to go to work in DC.


Gotta find those on
CD.  Haven't heard Radio Gunsmoke since I moved to the midwest.

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Re: [MBZ] Marshal Dillon

[RELNGSON]

William Conrad played Marshal Dillon on the radio from 1952 to 1961. Once in 
a while these episodes can be heard on the local PBS radio station.

http://comp.uark.edu/~tsnyder/gunsmoke/gun-radio.html

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Re: [MBZ] Toyota

[Hendrik Fay]

Looks like where getting ripped off on the price of Mercs over here, not 
that I am in the market for one of the new plastic fantastics.
I suppose the bonnets are sealed and can only be opened by a certified 
technician with a special tool.
Also loved ones don't let loved ones drive death traps like the corolla.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Given that a base corolla starts at 20K Oz beans and the base C class 
 starts a 60K beans I suppose I would have to amend my earlier statement to a 
 1/3 of 
 the price, sorry for getting you all flustered Roger. Actually the Aurion is 
 not a bad looking car and has a 200KW V6 but is front wheel drive.

 I am not the least flustered   because your price comparisons have nothing to 
 do with the US market. The Toyotas are built in this country and the MB is 
 not, obviously. And no sane person would compare A Corolla with any new MB 
 sold 
 here. And, I have driven the current Corolla as a free dealer service loaner 
 and it is a wretched machine. Noisy, tippy, and uncomfortable. The base price 
 on my C300 Luxury (stupid name, admittedly) was $34375. The Corolla 1.8 auto 
 is 
 $16315 according to Edmunds, about 48% of the C's base. Both of these before 
 negotiations. 

 The Corolla is just the thing for a girl's first car and there are plenty of 
 them on the used market. Of course, when one buys with price as the only 
 factor, sacrifices must be made. Do you reacll the old quote about knowing 
 the 
 price of everything and the value of nothing?

 RLE

   

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Re: [MBZ] Keeping Warm!

[EDWARD DENNIS]

Hi,
  Just wait for MORE global warming!!
  Ed in Chicago 34F

Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
I checked and I'm sure I don't want to hear it.
We've got 18-20 of snow on the ground right now and they're saying we might 
get another 6. I've NEVER seen this kind of snow in MA before Christmas...

And to think I've got a new-to-me snowmobile, and I took a sick day today 
(cough cough) and I can't go outside because I've got this stupid video to 
finish.
Somehow I thought editing a 2 hour dance showcase would be a bit less 
boring. This is brutal, I've been at it all day and I've still got 5 dances 
left to go.

Some of the dancers are sure fun to look at though.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:22:38 -0500
From: andrew strasfogel 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keeping Warm!
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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If it's this cold now, what will it be like in February in Winnipeg?
One
shudders to think about it...




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Re: [MBZ] Keeping Warm!

[Curt Raymond]

These are mostly adults. I got drafted because my friend who made the last 
video for this studio wanted to dance in this showcase.

DVDs will be about $30 a pop... Theres always a silver lining, the extra cash 
will be handy.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:57:08 -0700
From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keeping Warm!
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Woo Hoo...dance showcase videos. I got a million of them on my shelves
 from
two daughters with a total of 18 years of dance time 'tween them.

Bob R.

   
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Re: [MBZ] Keeping Warm!

[Wonko the Sane]

You didn't live there in '78, did you? I did.

That was the winter that you could walk from Cape Cod to Nantucket w/out
getting your feet wet.

On 12/20/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I checked and I'm sure I don't want to hear it.
 We've got 18-20 of snow on the ground right now and they're saying we
 might get another 6. I've NEVER seen this kind of snow in MA before
 Christmas...


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Re: [MBZ] if this stays cheap, it would be worth messing with

[andrew strasfogel]

Sounds fishy.  Worst scenario probably applies:  tired engine due to high
miles and questionable maintenance.

On Dec 20, 2007 5:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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Re: [MBZ] Are you?

[RELNGSON]

I love it too. I have the supervisory skills of Captain Peacock and 
walk/remember like young Mr Grace.

Must be no truth to the story that you walk like John Inman, then?

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Re: [MBZ] Dillon

[RELNGSON]

I'd listen to Robert Conrad as Matt Dillon in ... (cue music) ...
GUNSMOKE every
Sunday.

William Conrad

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Re: [MBZ] Glow light - '90 300D 2.5

[Richard Smith]

Sorry to ask a dumb question, but what is the WSM method?

On 12/20/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yep, the GP amp that's mounted on the left front inner fender near the ABS
 equipment.  New one lasted about 2 weeks. The replacement has been going
 strong for 2+ years.  both came from MB.

 I checked my GP first - using the battery charger method - attaching
 battery
 charger to each GP and counting the time until the tip was cherry red.
 12-15
 sec was my target.  They all checked out leaving the Amp as the only
 possiblility.  BTW, I also confirmed the wiring between amp and GPs was
 good
 using the WSM method.

 Good luck -

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  Glow plug amp? Is this the relay, or something else? It has worked
  fine for six or so months since I last worked on it -- but that
  doesn't mean that one of the recently new glow plugs isn't burnt out,
  or that the relay or amp (?) didn't go South ---
 
  On Dec 19, 2007 9:02 AM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  My Indicator light (91 300D 2,5) did not operate correctly either after
  replacing all of the GPs and the GP Amp - turned out the Amp I got from
  MB
  was bad --  they gave me a new one with no problem - then it worked
  correctly.
 
  One or the other in your system has a problem -either 1 or more GPs are
  not
  operating properly or the Amp is not working properly.
 
  Good luck - at least the car starts!
 
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Re: [MBZ] unimog

[Zach]

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think 1956 is still a non-synchro transmission.  Might want to hold
 out for a newer one.


As far as I know all 404 Unimogs are synchro gearboxes.  In any case I
would be surprised if the trans hasnt been replaced in which case it
would have any upgrades.

This is however a early french 404, no real meaning in that other than
it probably tuns a little quicker due to the shorter wheelbase and
there are some other nitpicky differences like the wooden bedsides,
different hood latches, etc.  It also has the nifty safari windshield
that tilts out at the bottom for ventilation.

  -Zach (many benzes, 1.75 unimogs)




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Re: [MBZ] Dillon

[Wonko the Sane]

Do'h.

On 12/20/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'd listen to Robert Conrad as Matt Dillon in ... (cue music) ...
 GUNSMOKE every
 Sunday.

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Re: [MBZ] rant - was: 123 frontend rebuild

[Fmiser]

** Caution - rant ahead **

What's with abbreviations only for the important words?


 If you are going to take the time to do all the other stuff
 you might as well do the LCA bushings too.

 You might need to
 find an indy to help with the ball joints, though some report
 having done them with the autoparts store rental bj presses.

 I have, but I spoke with Rusty on the phone today and his
 thoughts were that the U/L control arms and brake track rod
 can be done withOUT using a (and only THE) spring compressor.


So why is it that an abbreviation gets used for the focal point
of the sentence? All the other words are fully spelled out, but
not the most important one - the core reason for the sentence.

Why not:

f yu going d all tos do t lower control arm bushings too.

or

Ih, I sw Rusty otp td his thoughts wtt upper and lower control arms a brake 
track rod cbd without t spring compressor

At least then if I misinterpret the abbreviation, it's for one
of the filler words. I can still glean the useful data out of
the sentence. But if I can't figure out what U/LCA  BTR mean -
it's useless.

--  end of rant. Philip (I feel better...)

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Re: [MBZ] Keeping Warm!

[Fmiser]

 Somehow I thought
 editing a 2 hour dance showcase would be a bit less
 boring. This is brutal, I've been at it all day and I've still
 got 5 dances left to go.
 
 -Curt

Dance recitals, piano recitals, etc. are _tough_ editing!!

I've got one that's going to be particularly rough. I have two
tapes. One from a camera that was not run continuously, and
the other from a camera that occasionally had major video
garbage (not a tape problem - video CCD chip amp in the camera
is dieing)

And it's for a friend...

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] copper thieves

[Fmiser]

 IIRC there was a large traffic jamming upgrade made to one of
 our usually clogged highways here in seattle.  Took a few days
 to put down a few miles of copper stuff and buckle up the
 roadway.  A few days latter some person decided to rent a
 digger machine and remove said copper, causing the state to
 once more block up traffic and install some more copper.
 
 Wish the idiots would go after live wires
 
 clay

They have.

My local electric coop has reported that a number of people have
been killed by messing with live, high-voltage lines and live
sub-stations.

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Re: [MBZ] copper thieves

[Mitch Haley]

Fmiser wrote:
 
 My local electric coop has reported that a number of people have
 been killed by messing with live, high-voltage lines and live
 sub-stations.
 

Hey, it's cheaper than shooting them. And you don't have to catch
them in the act, you only need to find the bodies and have them
removed before they stink too much. Seems like a win-win to me. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] rant - was: 123 frontend rebuild

[Rich Thomas]

You need a nice single malt, pour a wee dram and sip it slowly while 
staring at the fire.  I would suggest a Dalwhinnie or Balvenie Double 
Wood if you are wound up, a Lagavulin 16 if you are feeling a bit more 
mellow.  Repeat as needed.

But to answer your question, when those words are repeated over and 
over, at some point it becomes redundant to write them out.

--R

Fmiser wrote:
 ** Caution - rant ahead **

 What's with abbreviations only for the important words?

 
   
 If you are going to take the time to do all the other stuff
 you might as well do the LCA bushings too.
 
 
   
 You might need to
 find an indy to help with the ball joints, though some report
 having done them with the autoparts store rental bj presses.
 
 
   
 I have, but I spoke with Rusty on the phone today and his
 thoughts were that the U/L control arms and brake track rod
 can be done withOUT using a (and only THE) spring compressor.
 
 

 So why is it that an abbreviation gets used for the focal point
 of the sentence? All the other words are fully spelled out, but
 not the most important one - the core reason for the sentence.

 Why not:

 f yu going d all tos do t lower control arm bushings too.

 or

 Ih, I sw Rusty otp td his thoughts wtt upper and lower control arms a brake 
 track rod cbd without t spring compressor

 At least then if I misinterpret the abbreviation, it's for one
 of the filler words. I can still glean the useful data out of
 the sentence. But if I can't figure out what U/LCA  BTR mean -
 it's useless.

 --  end of rant. Philip (I feel better...)

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Re: [MBZ] copper thieves

[Rich Thomas]

Hey didn't some incident like that in Paris suburbs spark Muslim 
outrage a few months back, in addition to sparking a coupla Muslim yutes?

I don't mean that to be a political statement -- everybody got all up 
about a coupla guys who were doing something in a power substation, 
reportedly running from the cops, but it looked like the cops found them 
trying to steal copper from the substation, they ran and got a taste of 
old sparkie, and then the rioting started.

--R

Mitch Haley wrote:
 Fmiser wrote:
   
 My local electric coop has reported that a number of people have
 been killed by messing with live, high-voltage lines and live
 sub-stations.

 

 Hey, it's cheaper than shooting them. And you don't have to catch
 them in the act, you only need to find the bodies and have them
 removed before they stink too much. Seems like a win-win to me. 

 Mitch.

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