Re: [MBZ] OT - Lease-to-Own

2008-03-09 Thread LWB250
Around here we have a large number of military folks
who are typically career officers who are on their
last tour/assignment and are looking to find a place
to live more or less permanently.  The big problem
right now is that even with the housing market in the
dumper, prices haven't dropped to a point where they
are affordable for people like this, especially
because they usually don't have the money for a decent
down payment.  Prior to the big balloon in home prices
this area was very popular with military folks and
highly recommended by the base housing office.

I think that at least three houses in my neighborhood
have gone lease to buy in the last year, all to
military people, most of which had a three year lease.

We're looking at various means of selling our place in
the near future, mainly because my youngest will be
graduating from high school in a couple of years, and
we're ready for a condo.

One of the nice things about having lessees like this
is that you know they're a captive audience, if the
military decides to move them they will buy out the
lease, they're not going to trash the place, and in a
lot of cases they're looking for someplace to land
permanently.

FWIW, Florida has a law that prevents the lessee from
selling or transferring their interest.  That is, the
lease cannot be assigned by the lessee.

Dan

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 In my case, Dan, I was young and paid in earnest a
 ridiculously generous
 amount with the contract (realtor submitted).


  

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Re: [MBZ] OT: about the coolest thing I've seen in awhile

2008-03-09 Thread LWB250
Sure.  When you consider the weekly rental for one of
these was close to $1,000 and a replacement unit was
$900, they were still coming out ahead.

During the spring and summer months, when road
construction was at its peak, we usually kept about
15-20 of these on the shelf.

Usage dropped considerably outside of this time, so it
wasn't like they were out 100% of the time, or
year-round.  It was a seasonal business for the most
part, at least in that part of the world (midwest.)

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: about the coolest thing I've seen in awhile

2008-03-09 Thread Curt Raymond

Utterpower.com

George is apparently THE guy when it comes the the Lister clones.

If I had a good source of WVO one of these would rock for pulling down the 
electric bill...

-Curt

Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 18:32:54 -0500
From: Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'd like to find one of those cast iron Lister type diesel engines. I
 saw
some on the web imported from India? That would be kewl to use in a
generator setup.

Anyone know a source?

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 Subject: [MBZ] OT: about the coolest thing I've seen in awhile
 
 http://otherpower.com/steamengine.shtml
 
 Where does one get a $150 steam engine? If I ever decide its time to
 live at
 camp full time something like this would be the best thing since
 sliced
 bread...
 
 -Curt
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: about the coolest thing I've seen in awhile

2008-03-09 Thread Curt Raymond

You're right about the Listeroids being a copy but rather than rebuilding one 
when you get it I'd say you finish the thing.
So you've got to clean out the casting sand and repaint and maybe replace a 
couple of crappy gaskets. The thing is the price vs a real lister...

-Curt

Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 21:53:50 -0500
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I think the India imports (Listeroids) are the copy of the Brit version
which was discontinued in the early 80s.

What I like most about these is the quiet and long life are due to the
 slow,
like 650 RPM. I think the Petter units are faster RPM. From what I've
 read
the Indian manufacturing quality is lacking much by our expectations.
 Seems
like you acquire the new Indian unit then basically rebuild and machine
 it.

   
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Re: [MBZ] 80 - 85 degrees and beautiful

2008-03-09 Thread Curt Raymond

Fantastic, this is where it all starts...

Yeah the ticking could definately have been something not as warm as it should 
be. My car ticks a bit when cold expecially if its been run without warming up 
a couple times (like moving it around while plowing snow).
I need to get the green nasties out this year. I don't know if I'll do it or 
have my Indy do it, I've got some travel coming up which is usually a handy 
time to send the car in for repairs...

-Curt

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 21:13:17 -0800
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I actually replaced the thermostat this evening! (87 190D) It was much
easier than I thought. See, initially I thought it was located at the
 engine
end of the upper radiator hose. And that looked quite nasty to get at.
I have run straight water through to get most of the green stuff out.

The gauge is reading what the engine should be at!

We'll see if this is a fluke, but once the engine was warmed up, the
 ticking
that the engine normally does was gone.

Also: is Behr factory equipment? The old thermo. had the MB star and
 also
Behr on it. For that matter, my radiator is Behr. Does this mean it is
 a
replacement?

Brian

   
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Re: [MBZ] 190D status

2008-03-09 Thread Jim Cathey
Friday I removed the vacuum pump, chain tensioner, intake manifold,
and injector lines.  I also removed the lift pump from the injection
pump, saving some fuel spillage and affording a later opportunity to
re-prime the system with it.  I then turned the engine over to the
lock position, 15 degrees ATDC, and removed the tensioner and
injection pump.  (Back to square one!)  I used a spare injection timer
as a handle to rotate the IP into its lock position, which was _much_
easier and safer than using padded vise grips like last time, and used
the pin I made Thursday to lock it in place.  I inserted the IP into
the engine and loosely bolted it in place.  I then put the tensioner
back and turned the engine over twice and checked the timing, it's
pretty close.  Unfortunately I was running late so I wasn't able to
check it additional times to make absolutely sure it's in the right
place.  (And then, of course, comes putting it all back together.)

Saturday I ended up making a mistake and tried to loosen the IP hub
bolt while the chain tensioner was loosened, which caused the chain to
shift a bit which in turn prevented the tensioner from being
reinserted.  I took off the valve cover so that I could better see
what I was doing, and got it put right again.  I then checked to see
that the cam timing was still OK (still about 4-6 degrees of stretch,
it's a little hard to be exactly sure), and removed and re-timed the
IP.  With the fasteners all secure again I checked the 'final'
numbers, and came up with about 14 degrees ATDC for the IP.  The slot
in the locking pin is a bit wide, I can get it to drop in over about a
2 degree span, but 14 degrees is about the center of the range and is
just about where I want it (slightly advanced from specification).  I
guess we'll see.  In any event the IP is now in the center of its
adjustable range using the shifting screw, so minor changes can be
made without taking the engine half apart, should that be necessary.

I then re-reassembled the engine.  It all went fairly smoothly, except
that my Sears ratchet wrench finally gave up.  (While trying to fix it
to keep the release button from falling out I managed to lose
something, I guess I'll check out that lifetime warrantee.  If I hate
the proposed replacement I'll pass on the swap, though.)  I re-primed
the fuel system by mashing the lift pump's plunger repeatedly against
the side of the IP before I bolted it back on.  That saves a bunch of
time and wear and tear on the starting system.  I then cranked the
engine, as before, until all the injector lines were wet.  Then I
started the engine.  It started easily and this time without all the
stinky white smoke.  After only a few seconds of rough running it ran
and revved smoothly.  Cool.  I then buttoned up the cooling system and
filled it with water.  (Incremental flush.)

We took a test drive to meet my wife.  It ran well, no smoke, about as
much power as I recall from before.  I think we'll call it good for
now.  The coolant is again dirty-looking, but less opaque than last
time.  I'm going to have to do the water drain/fill thing a few more
times in order to get it all cleaned out.  Then I'll put real coolant
in.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 190D status

2008-03-09 Thread Jim Cathey
I drained the coolant again and re-filled it with water.  I then
removed the crap battery, returning it to the generator, and put in
the new Group 49 battery I'd bought last year.  (It's been on a tender
this entire time.)  I bolted it down using the hold-down plate I found
under the tray.  Then I set the car's clock, and cleaned up some of
the tools that have gotten scattered everywhere.  No more time today.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 190D status

2008-03-09 Thread Peter Frederick
This sounds much better!  Remember, the engine can actually RUN with  
the pump 180 degrees out -- so long as the timing is fast, there will  
be fuel in the cylinders and it will ignite.  Won't run well, though!

Thanks for the hint on the tool, I may make one to set the timing on  
my brother's SDL.

See of you can find a supply of citric acid somewhere (you need about  
2.5 lbs) and do a citric acid flush -- will clean things out much  
better than plain water or cheap coolant.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] OT: about the coolest thing I've seen in awhile

2008-03-09 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 6:11 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  You're right about the Listeroids being a copy but rather than rebuilding 
 one when you get it I'd say you finish the thing.
  So you've got to clean out the casting sand and repaint and maybe replace a 
 couple of crappy gaskets.

I thought that was part of the fun!

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Insurance Company is Stupid

2008-03-09 Thread LarryT
I'd get a TIG welder - no question or hesitation. ;-)

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Subject: [MBZ] OT Insurance Company is Stupid


 51 weeks ago, a girl being taught to drive stops in the street in front
 
 of me, I was driving my dad's car while visiting him.  I stop.  I see 
 the backup lights come on, I think OHNO (well OH something), and she 
 proceeds to start backing up to parallel park in the spot next to me.  
 Kinda hard to do with a big Caddy sitting behind.  I honk the horn, she 
 keeps moving, slowly, I hold the horn, then BUMP! into the right front 
 of the bumper.  I notice some kind of cop standing across the street 
 watching this drama unfold, her attention drawn by the horn.  I get out 
 of the car, see the cop woman shaking her head, we all sorta congregate 
 there looking at the bumper -- the girl, the girl's mother, me, and the 
 cop. 
 
 The girl is crying, the mother is like, duh what just happened, the cop 
 asks if I need a real cop to come and fill out forms, and I am trying to 
 figure out why the girl and her mother A) didn't see the big Caddy or B) 
 hear the horn.  Anyway, no visible damage other than the bumper shock 
 absorber has been compressed so the bumper is against the tire.  I yank 
 on it enough to get it off the tire, a real cop comes, we fill out 
 papers, the girl continues to cry, I'm on my way.  Later I stop at the 
 recommended body shop in this small town and get a quote of $610 to 
 replace the shock thingie.
 
 So, today, finally, after months of half-dealing with this, I get hold 
 of the insurance people and after various issues they tell me they will 
 send $1100 to fix the car, $520 for the part, the rest labor and 
 painting and whatever else.  I say, no you only need to pay for 
 replacing the shock thingie, there was no other damage.  The woman tells 
 me that well this is what the adjuster says, and we appreciate your 
 honesty, but that is what we have to pay.  No argument with her will 
 help them save $500 on this.  Oh well, I tried.
 
 So, my question is, what kind of welder should I buy with the extra $580 
 after I take 20 min to replace the shock thingie?
 
 --R
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Only driven to church on Sundays

2008-03-09 Thread Timothy Robinson
Last Fall at end of season a sweet little snowbird approached me and said,
You know, I have a car like those you drive in my garage at home. It was my
husband's... ...I should sell it as it's never driven, but no one would want
a car with such high mileage.

Come to find out, she was concerned that the mileage was approaching 100K.

I asked the sweet little lady if she decided to sell would she let me know
first and I would promise to make a fair offer to her.

I have yet to see the car. (Her winter home is four hours away.) The little
lady called yesterday asking if I was still interested in the car. She's
decided she will sell before coming back to the mountains for the season.
She'd had the car service my the local Benz dealer. Since it had sat in the
garage for the winter she also had the car detailed. She was upset that it
looked like some of the varnish (clearcoat) was coming off of the trunk
lid.

Otherwise she describes the car as flawless. She was terrible upset to
discover the car actually had over 100,000 miles... still she can't recall
exactly, 106K, 126K?

I'm not sure and she wouldn't know the difference if it is a turbo or not. I
belive from her description that it is a non-turbo and possibly a gray
market Euro import. Again, I haven't seen the car.

Anyone want to fill me in as to the difference in the 1984 300D (turbo) and
a Euro import 300D (non-turbo)?

As far as price, I think she and I both have around $3,000. in mind. If it
indeed is quite clean and flawless I would trust her sight unseen. As
original and one owner... 'couldn't be too wrong.

Thanks! 


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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Only driven to church on Sundays

2008-03-09 Thread LWB250
If it's a Euro a lot will depend on who did the
compliance work at the port, but you can figure that
it will probably have cloth/velour upholstery, might
have roll up windows (not a bad thing) and if you're
really living right, a manual climate control system.

Other than that I don't think you'll find much
different from a US spec model.

Dan

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 the 1984 300D (turbo) and
 a Euro import 300D (non-turbo)?



  

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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Only driven to church on Sundays

2008-03-09 Thread Timothy Robinson
Again, I haven't seen the car yet. The little widow lady keeps saying it's
an import perhaps meaning, it wasn't an American (is a German) car. I
don't know if she knows what gray market would be. Apparently her husband
did purchase the vehicle new from a MB dealer so I can't imagine it wasn't
US specs. 

I don't think it's real leather probably means the MB Tex interior.

 From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 11:07:39 -0700 (PDT)
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Only driven to church on Sundays
 
 If it's a Euro a lot will depend on who did the
 compliance work at the port, but you can figure that
 it will probably have cloth/velour upholstery, might
 have roll up windows (not a bad thing) and if you're
 really living right, a manual climate control system.
 
 Other than that I don't think you'll find much
 different from a US spec model.
 
 Dan
 
 --- Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Anyone want to fill me in as to the difference in
 the 1984 300D (turbo) and
 a Euro import 300D (non-turbo)?
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Only driven to church on Sundays

2008-03-09 Thread LWB250
You know, if she's got all the paperwork and the build
card, she's got numerous items that have the VIN.  Get
that - it's a giveaway as to whether it's a domestic
or Euro model.

Dan


--- Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Again, I haven't seen the car yet. The little widow
 lady keeps saying it's
 an import perhaps meaning, it wasn't an American
 (is a German) car. I
 don't know if she knows what gray market would be.
 Apparently her husband
 did purchase the vehicle new from a MB dealer so I
 can't imagine it wasn't
 US specs. 
 
 I don't think it's real leather probably means the
 MB Tex interior.



  

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[MBZ] Off Topic: 2001.5 Passat for sale

2008-03-09 Thread Limon276
I am selling my 2001.5 Passat. I have 59,000 miles on it. I am the second  
owner and always synthetic oil. Features include Leather, monsoon stereo, power 
 
everything, Tipronic, moon roof, rear wing, 17 inch custom alloy wheels,  
stainless door handels, new front axles, new coil packs. I am selling due to an 
 
expanding family. I am located on Long Island, New York. I am also selling  my 
1984 Honda VF1000F If you are interested please contact me at 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])  for pics and info. Thanks,  Sam 



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Re: [MBZ] Off Topic: 2001.5 Passat for sale

2008-03-09 Thread LWB250
Price?

Dan

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am selling my 2001.5 Passat. I have 59,000 miles
 on it. I am the second  
 owner and always synthetic oil. Features include
 Leather, monsoon stereo, power  
 everything, Tipronic, moon roof, rear wing, 17 inch
 custom alloy wheels,  
 stainless door handels, new front axles, new coil
 packs. I am selling due to an  
 expanding family. I am located on Long Island, New
 York. I am also selling  my 
 1984 Honda VF1000F If you are interested please
 contact me at 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])  for
 pics and info. Thanks,  Sam 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Only driven to church on Sundays

2008-03-09 Thread Hendrik Fay
Perhaps you could get in touch with the service agent at the Benz dealer 
where it was serviced, although with privacy laws you might have to get 
the little old lady to give him/her a call and ask him/her to give you a 
call about the car.
Any good dealer will give a car a test run to ensure it is safe and has 
no apparent faults.

Hendrik

Timothy Robinson wrote:

 I have yet to see the car. (Her winter home is four hours away.) The little
 lady called yesterday asking if I was still interested in the car. She's
 decided she will sell before coming back to the mountains for the season.
 She'd had the car service my the local Benz dealer. Since it had sat in the
 garage for the winter she also had the car detailed. She was upset that it
 looked like some of the varnish (clearcoat) was coming off of the trunk
 lid.


   

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Re: [MBZ] 190D status

2008-03-09 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 08:30:08 -0700 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 It all went fairly smoothly, except that my Sears ratchet wrench finally
 gave up.  (While trying to fix it to keep the release button from
 falling out I managed to lose something, I guess I'll check out that
 lifetime warrantee.  If I hate the proposed replacement I'll pass on the
 swap, though.)

In the two or three times I've had to take advantage of it in the 40 years
I've had my Craftsman rachet, they've given me a box of replacement
innards. I take the old innards out and put the new innards in.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 190D status

2008-03-09 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:16:21 -0700 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I drained the coolant again and re-filled it with water.  I then
 removed the crap battery, returning it to the generator, and put in
 the new Group 49 battery I'd bought last year.  (It's been on a tender
 this entire time.)  I bolted it down using the hold-down plate I found
 under the tray.  Then I set the car's clock, and cleaned up some of
 the tools that have gotten scattered everywhere.  No more time today.

Don't forget to drain the water so it doesn't freeze and crack something!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 190D status

2008-03-09 Thread Jim Cathey
 See of you can find a supply of citric acid somewhere (you need about
 2.5 lbs) and do a citric acid flush -- will clean things out much
 better than plain water or cheap coolant.

Yes, I've done this before.  Unfortunately the baking supply
house I got it from before has closed their doors to the
general public.  The neighbor just bought 20# for a good
price online, and asked me if I wanted in on the deal.
Sure, says I.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 190D status

2008-03-09 Thread Jim Cathey
 In the two or three times I've had to take advantage of it in the 40 
 years
 I've had my Craftsman rachet, they've given me a box of replacement
 innards. I take the old innards out and put the new innards in.

Dropped by Sears today, and they had a replacement (refurbished)
that looks a lot like what I turned in.  Not exactly the same,
marginally less nice on the thumb flipper, but tolerable.  Some of
their new ones were nasty.

 Don't forget to drain the water so it doesn't freeze and crack 
 something!

It's just enough above freezing here (most of the time) that the car
will be fine with just water, so long as it isn't parked outside
overnight.  It's going to get real coolant within the week.

-- Jim


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