Re: [MBZ] Cheap fix for 124 front window regulator missing teeth?

[Jim Cathey]

> take the regulator out if I can help it.  You are lucky not to have a
> 124 in this particular instance.  (I thought you had a wagon out in
> the woods, though?  Or is that a 123?)

It's a 124 carcass.  But it's regulator-free!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power?

[Jim Cathey]

> A good place to start the inquiry is by asking how much of the gasoline
> which goes into the cylinders in your car exits unburnt. This arguably
> represents the maximum gain you can make by simply improving 
> combustion.
> It is a very small number in modern, fuel injected cars.

If you discount catalysis in the exhaust system, perhaps.
But if that combustion were to occur next to a piston where
it could do some good...

I'm skeptical, to be sure, but we don't know everything yet!

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Re: [MBZ] 190D goes to town

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

light comes on with key, but goes out when engine is started.  Lots of 
mice turds in the trunk, will check it out

Peter Frederick wrote:
> Does the low fuel light come on?  I'm guessing not, or you'd have put  
> a gallon or two in first.
> 
> Loose, broken, or mouse-eaten wire -- check the ground somewhere in  
> the left rear fender, probably near the taillight.
> 
> Peter
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power/Browns gas?

[Tom Hargrave]

Being a former Test Engineer, I've always liked this one:


Know what you get when you put 2 Test Engineers in a room?

Why, a pair of testees of course!


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power/Browns gas?

And that reminds me of a joke of course:  What do you have when you have a
moth ball in one hand and a moth ball in the other hand?
A REALLY big moth -probably ticked off, also.
BillR
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power/Browns gas?

hendrik wrote <>

Perhaps you could hire the people who "gather" (to put a kind spin on 
it) "Moth Balls".  I've always
admired those people who could catch what must be incredibly large moths and

then wrestle them to the ground
and get them flipped over before they .  well, better not go into the 
gory details.  It's enough to say the
moth and ball collector are never quite the same.  Luckily for the moth, 
they grow back - usually to be
harvested once again.  It must be terribly traumatic for all involved.

I would guess snake milking is equally difficult.  I've been told (*who*

tells me all these things?) the vipers
and other highly poisonous snakes provide the highest quality milk.  Of 
course there are often accidents where
the snake bites the milker sending them (the milker) to the hospital for 
anti-venom.  Naturally this causes
the milkers to be hesitant to milk the poisoness snakes - turnover in this 
industry is unusually high.  Perhaps they
could be lured to become Moth Ball Collectors while recovering from a severe

bite?  They are probably
pretty vulnerable when their arms/legs/whatever are still swollen 3 x's the 
normal size and the pain is second only to
childbirth and kidney stones.

Have a nice day -- 


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> No not possible in such a way that it would improve your mileage.
> Browns gas has been around for a long while but has never been gotten to
> work as advertised.
> There are heaps of websites that promise much the same thing.
> Anyway perhaps I could interest you Diesel people with some high zetane
> snake oil, guaranteed to get you 1000mpg.
>
> Hendrik
> with a large scale snake oil refinery in the back yard but catching the
> snakes and milking them is a tricky operation
>
> LarryT wrote:
>> http://runyourcarwithwater.youbetterreadthis.com/
>>
>> I immediately became suspicious when J Carter endorsed it -- 
>>
>> But some of you are super knowledgable about chemistry - tell me if this 
>> is
>> possible --
>>
>> Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D)
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Lawsuuit over a Mercedes

[Tom Hargrave]

In Alabama, cars are sold with a written warranty or "as is". And "as is" is
exactly as implied. You pay for the car and it's yours with no warranty.
After all, it's just a used machine, right? Warranties are clearly defined
contracts that state explicitly what is covered. Also, better dealers will
outline what is not covered so that there is no confusion later, but there
always is.

I have several friends in the car business and believe it or not, most
really aren't the scum of the earth. The issue with used cars off second
hand lots is that most newer ones have been traded in with some pre-existing
problems, which is why the car was traded to begin with. The used car lot
picks them up from a dealer only auction & he really knows nothing of the
history of the car. Then "Joe Public" comes along & buys the car, the engine
transmission or AC goes south a month later and all the sudden "he's a
crook, he sold me a &[EMAIL PROTECTED] car"!

Better used car dealers will offer a warranty & the cost of the warranty
will be reflected in a higher selling the price for the car. Also, better
used car dealers have some type of shop on site or a relationship with a
local garage and will check out cars as they come in. But like anything else
used, it's "buyer beware".

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We don't have a merchantability thingy as such but a dealer must ensure 
that the car is roadworthy. A while back there was a big stink over 
dealers selling bombs and the vehicle inspectors went into car yards and 
defected cars offered for sale, all of a sudden you saw a lot of cars in 
yards with 'not for sale' signs on them. I remember looking at a 123 
with one such sticker but after a quick chat with the dealer it came out 
that it was indeed for sale but he was waiting for a new headlight lens.

Hendrik
with mostly roadworthy cars

Donald Snook wrote:
> Gerry wrote: "In Florida older used cars will often have the words "AS
IS." in big letters on the cars window placard.  Does this relieve the
seller of the merchantibility requirement?"
>
> I don't know about Florida, but Kansas says a car is sold by a dealer with
an "implied warranty of merchantability."  The Court has said that is
possible to disclaim the warranty, but saying it is "as is" is not enough.
You have affirmatively and obviously tell the buyer that the there is not
implied warranty of merchantability. Just saying as is will not disclaim
this warranty.
>
> Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Refueling!

[Timothy Robinson]

Season has begun for me so that means 60 mi. r/t every day until November.

All I can do is just be amused as I watch diesel climb. Each week I fill...
but it seems to be escalating more and more! Just two weeks ago was $4.069
and today @ $4.469.

I've mentioned a perk is that I claim a good supply of WVO from the company
food outlets. I've two more sources open this year. I'd never want to alter
one of the cars but I'm (more) seriously considering building a processor.

I think just to pass the summer I'll have enough fuel delivered to get
through until Fall (at current price) then when there's time assess the
situation.

 

  on 5/18/08 20:49 Uhr, Wonko the Sane at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I did a 90 mile round trip yesterday (high school graduation party) and out
> of curiosity filled up (stuffing in as much diesel as possible) before I
> left and then when I returned. Just under $16 dollars, and that was driving
> very conservatively (55 mph) in a 240D. $4.46 per gallon!


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Re: [MBZ] OT Strange Ebay experience

[Wonko the Sane]

Doubtful. I am more inclined to say there was something going on unrelated
to your auction.

You sure eBay and not the seller canceled the auction?

On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Harry Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Few days ago I bid $9.95 on a clothing item, then remembered I was in a
> golf
> tournament this weekend and may not be here, so I placed a proxy bid of
> $22.  I checked about four hours before it ended and there were no other
> bids.  Then I get an email that EBay had pulled the item and cancelled the
> auction.  They said it could have been for a number of reason but nothing
> specific.
>
> The seller has a 100% rating with over 300 actions and I have 240 actions
> with 100% rating.  Just out of curiosity I went to the site to eyeball
> things and found the seller is in a small town about 15 miles from my small
> town.  Could that be it?  Maybe they think I'm a BIL pushing up prices and
> getting filthy rich.
>
> Anyway, I bid on another like item with the seller in Shanghai, China, not
> at all close to my small town.
>
> Harry
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[MBZ] OT Strange Ebay experience

[Harry Watkins]

Few days ago I bid $9.95 on a clothing item, then remembered I was in a golf
tournament this weekend and may not be here, so I placed a proxy bid of
$22.  I checked about four hours before it ended and there were no other
bids.  Then I get an email that EBay had pulled the item and cancelled the
auction.  They said it could have been for a number of reason but nothing
specific.

The seller has a 100% rating with over 300 actions and I have 240 actions
with 100% rating.  Just out of curiosity I went to the site to eyeball
things and found the seller is in a small town about 15 miles from my small
town.  Could that be it?  Maybe they think I'm a BIL pushing up prices and
getting filthy rich.

Anyway, I bid on another like item with the seller in Shanghai, China, not
at all close to my small town.

Harry
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Re: [MBZ] Lawsuuit over a Mercedes

[Hendrik & Fay]

We don't have a merchantability thingy as such but a dealer must ensure 
that the car is roadworthy. A while back there was a big stink over 
dealers selling bombs and the vehicle inspectors went into car yards and 
defected cars offered for sale, all of a sudden you saw a lot of cars in 
yards with 'not for sale' signs on them. I remember looking at a 123 
with one such sticker but after a quick chat with the dealer it came out 
that it was indeed for sale but he was waiting for a new headlight lens.

Hendrik
with mostly roadworthy cars

Donald Snook wrote:
> Gerry wrote: "In Florida older used cars will often have the words "AS IS." 
> in big letters on the cars window placard.  Does this relieve the seller of 
> the merchantibility requirement?"
>
> I don't know about Florida, but Kansas says a car is sold by a dealer with an 
> "implied warranty of merchantability."  The Court has said that is possible 
> to disclaim the warranty, but saying it is "as is" is not enough.  You have 
> affirmatively and obviously tell the buyer that the there is not implied 
> warranty of merchantability. Just saying as is will not disclaim this 
> warranty.
>
> Donald H. Snook
>   

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Re: [MBZ] 190D goes to town

[Peter Frederick]

Does the low fuel light come on?  I'm guessing not, or you'd have put  
a gallon or two in first.

Loose, broken, or mouse-eaten wire -- check the ground somewhere in  
the left rear fender, probably near the taillight.

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Re: [MBZ] 190D goes to town

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

they might have chewed the wires back there.

OK Don wrote:
> Impressive - I mean getting Regina to drive the SDL again!
> Fuel sender sounds like more mouse work --
> 
> On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 7:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I changed the oil and fuel filters on the 190D today, vacuum all the rat
>> turds out of the car, put the exhaust back together and take off toward
>> town to fill it up with diesel.  It of course runs out about a mile from
>> the house.  I thought ahead and brought a diesel can in case it did run
>> out.  So I hop out, add a couple of gallons, and continue on my way.
>> Had the wife bring the SDL also so I could fill them both  up.  For some
>> reason, the local wal mart is still at 4.17, guess they forgot to raise
>> their price along with everyone else.  Got about 30 gallons of diesel,
>> was 130 bucks.  Geez.  Got back home, car drives great.  Think its going
>> to need shocks though, but the suspension feels pretty good.
>>
>> Gas guage does not work, needle does not move off of the bottom.  Will
>> check that out soon.
>> --
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>>  94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D,
>>  89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>>  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] Refueling!

[Wonko the Sane]

I did a 90 mile round trip yesterday (high school graduation party) and out
of curiosity filled up (stuffing in as much diesel as possible) before I
left and then when I returned. Just under $16 dollars, and that was driving
very conservatively (55 mph) in a 240D. $4.46 per gallon!

Did same experiment today. 185 miles, hauling stuff home from my daughter's
university dorm. $28 to top the tank back off.

Thinking seriously about brewing my own during the summer.

On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Wilton Strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Wife just refueled the 350SDL for $97!!!
>
> Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Refueling!

[Wonko the Sane]

Install a smaller fuel tank.

On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Wilton Strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Wife just refueled the 350SDL for $97!!!
>
> Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 190D goes to town

[OK Don]

Impressive - I mean getting Regina to drive the SDL again!
Fuel sender sounds like more mouse work --

On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 7:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I changed the oil and fuel filters on the 190D today, vacuum all the rat
> turds out of the car, put the exhaust back together and take off toward
> town to fill it up with diesel.  It of course runs out about a mile from
> the house.  I thought ahead and brought a diesel can in case it did run
> out.  So I hop out, add a couple of gallons, and continue on my way.
> Had the wife bring the SDL also so I could fill them both  up.  For some
> reason, the local wal mart is still at 4.17, guess they forgot to raise
> their price along with everyone else.  Got about 30 gallons of diesel,
> was 130 bucks.  Geez.  Got back home, car drives great.  Think its going
> to need shocks though, but the suspension feels pretty good.
>
> Gas guage does not work, needle does not move off of the bottom.  Will
> check that out soon.
> --
> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>  94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D,
>  89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
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>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Refueling!

[Mitch Haley]

"Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:
> 
> I bet they didnt even give her any lube
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Re: [MBZ] OT, windows fax

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

ok, great

Russ Williams wrote:
> Drat and Double Drat.
> Gateway the makers of the eMachine must have taken it
> out of their Distro.
> I don't have a Vista machine at home.
> I'll call a friend and see if he can send me the file for you.
> 
> Russ
> 
> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>> windows cant find file
>>   
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Re: [MBZ] Refueling!

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I bet they didnt even give her any lube

Wilton Strickland wrote:
> Wife just refueled the 350SDL for $97!!!
> 
> Wilton
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[MBZ] 190D goes to town

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I changed the oil and fuel filters on the 190D today, vacuum all the rat 
turds out of the car, put the exhaust back together and take off toward 
town to fill it up with diesel.  It of course runs out about a mile from 
the house.  I thought ahead and brought a diesel can in case it did run 
out.  So I hop out, add a couple of gallons, and continue on my way. 
Had the wife bring the SDL also so I could fill them both  up.  For some 
reason, the local wal mart is still at 4.17, guess they forgot to raise 
their price along with everyone else.  Got about 30 gallons of diesel, 
was 130 bucks.  Geez.  Got back home, car drives great.  Think its going 
to need shocks though, but the suspension feels pretty good.

Gas guage does not work, needle does not move off of the bottom.  Will 
check that out soon.
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Re: [MBZ] OT, windows fax

[Gary Hurst]

15 gigs and it doesn't work, yet guys like kleb keep trying to put the
square peg into the round hole.

now that's marketing!

On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> They must be able to find some filesisn't their latest OS 15
> gigs?? You'd think they got paid by the pound for software. Sheesh!
>
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Re: [MBZ] Lawsuuit over a Mercedes

[Donald Snook]

Gerry wrote: "In Florida older used cars will often have the words "AS IS." in 
big letters on the cars window placard.  Does this relieve the seller of the 
merchantibility requirement?"

I don't know about Florida, but Kansas says a car is sold by a dealer with an 
"implied warranty of merchantability."  The Court has said that is possible to 
disclaim the warranty, but saying it is "as is" is not enough.  You have 
affirmatively and obviously tell the buyer that the there is not implied 
warranty of merchantability. Just saying as is will not disclaim this warranty.

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Re: [MBZ] Refueling!

[Bill R]

Wilton, that is terrible.  You should not put up with that.  I'll come and
pick it up and you won't have to do that any more.  No charge for the
service.
BillR, who would love one of those or a 300SDL 

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Subject: [MBZ] Refueling!

Wife just refueled the 350SDL for $97!!!

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] OT, windows fax

[Russ Williams]

Ok Don then I won't send him the one I got from buddy.

Russ

OK Don wrote:
> I sent him the one from Vista business ---
>
> On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Russ Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Drat and Double Drat.
>> Gateway the makers of the eMachine must have taken it
>> out of their Distro.
>> I don't have a Vista machine at home.
>> I'll call a friend and see if he can send me the file for you.
>>
>> Russ
>>
>> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>> 
>>> windows cant find file
>>>
>>>   

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Re: [MBZ] OT, windows fax

[Jeff Zedic]

They must be able to find some filesisn't their latest OS 15
gigs?? You'd think they got paid by the pound for software. Sheesh!

Zedic

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Re: [MBZ] OT, windows fax

[Gary Hurst]

i'm surprised when windoze finds any files at all

On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> windows cant find file
>
> Russ Williams wrote:
> > It's there Kaleb just not turned on.
> >
> > To start Windows Fax and Scan, click *Start*, type wfs.exe in the *Start
> > Search* box, and then click *wfs.exe* in the *Programs* list.
> >
> >  If you are prompted for an administrator password or confirmation, type
> > the password, or click *Continue*.
> >
> > Russ W.
> >
> > Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> >> I discovered the premium home edition does not have fax.
> >>
> >> Wonko the Sane wrote:
> >>
> >>> Perhaps Vista is faux XP.
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
>  OK, needing to setup fax on this Vista.  With XP and previous versions
>  of windows, I had fax setup to receive fax automatically.  Have a
> switch
>  box installed that will automatically switch to fax if one is coming
> in.
>   Well, I cant for the life of me find anything about fax in this
> vista.
>   Anybody know where its hid or what the deal is?
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Re: [MBZ] OT, windows fax

[Gary Hurst]

now that i'm back from travelling, i think i'll get to work on that triple
boot linux, xp, hacked os x machine i've always desired.

On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have one laptop -- dual booted Win XP Pro and Ubuntu 8.04 (dist-upgrade
> from 7.10). When I absolutely MUST use WinXP, I reboot and go into WinXP.
> Doesn't happen often but it occasionally does. 99.99% I am working in
> Linux.
> Online, 100% of the time.
>
> On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > it just doesn't make any sense.  listen, it's hard to be microsoft free.
>  i
> > tried it and did it for a few months, but there are just many things out
> > there you need to be on windoze to use effectively.  however, to suffer
> the
> > other 98% of the time for the 2% you need windoze for is insane.
> >
> > right now i'm about 70% linux, 25% os x and maybe 5% windoze xp.  it
> seems
> > a
> > reasonable balance.  given the present availability and ease of use of
> > linux
> > systems, i'm pretty surprised it isn't more popular.  maybe it's just a
> > matter of propaganda, but kleb has us so he has no excuse for what he is
> > doing.
> >
> > On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > He can't make the break. Sad. XP is bad enough (but usable) -- but
> Vista?
> > > Next thing you know, he will be parting out Yugos on eBay.
> > >
> > > On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > or decontented xp with an os x knockoff shell?
> > > >
> > > > for a guy who runs a linux mailing list, kleb sure does have strange
> > > tastes
> > > > in OS
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 7:50 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Perhaps Vista is faux XP.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > OK, needing to setup fax on this Vista.  With XP and previous
> > > versions
> > > > > > of windows, I had fax setup to receive fax automatically.  Have a
> > > > switch
> > > > > > box installed that will automatically switch to fax if one is
> > coming
> > > > in.
> > > > > >  Well, I cant for the life of me find anything about fax in this
> > > vista.
> > > > > >  Anybody know where its hid or what the deal is?
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> > > > > >  89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
> > > > > >  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
> > > > > >  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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> > > http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/> <
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> > > > >
> > > > > apt-get update
> > > > > apt-get upgrade
> > > > > The following packages will be replaced
> > > > > Prez
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Re: [MBZ] OT, windows fax

[OK Don]

I sent him the one from Vista business ---

On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Russ Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Drat and Double Drat.
> Gateway the makers of the eMachine must have taken it
> out of their Distro.
> I don't have a Vista machine at home.
> I'll call a friend and see if he can send me the file for you.
>
> Russ
>
> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>> windows cant find file
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT, windows fax

[Russ Williams]

Drat and Double Drat.
Gateway the makers of the eMachine must have taken it
out of their Distro.
I don't have a Vista machine at home.
I'll call a friend and see if he can send me the file for you.

Russ

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> windows cant find file
>   

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Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power?

[MG]

Well that's what I'm not sure about hence the experiment, when I get the 
time.

As far as the propane, I'm not talking about with gas but with diesel in 
a turbo application. The amount of propane used is very minor but the 
diesel burn is a lot cleaner and there is an increase of power 
disproportionate to the amount of propane used. A friend did this on a 
Dodge pickup and documented an improvement of power on a chassis dyno. I 
can't remember how much it was but I do remember him telling me about 
the improvement in power and in mileage. Obviously not at the same time.

I did the water thing also but never had any good results with it. The 
amount of water that was used is just to small to do much. Though in a 
big supercharged engine it can bring down combustion temps and provide a 
little longer run time at full power before the engine overheats. That 
was shown on the fighters in WW2. Once the limited amount of water ran 
out they were more or less out of the fight.

Manfred



Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 09:11:58 -0500
From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power?
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="windows-1250"

A small amount of hydrogen & oxygen (brown's gas) will improve the
combustion process and will provide more power. Then you'll use that
additional power plus extra to make more Brown's gas.

Propane injection also works but its false economics. You burn less gas
  &
more propane.

All of these solutions were tried in the 70's & they finally
  disappeared
when the public figured out that they were BS.

The real issue is that whenever there is money to be made, there are
  more
than just a few crooks out there waiting to take your hard earned
  dollars.


That said, there is a way to use water to improve mileage, but not by
  much.
We experimented with water injection in the late 70s. The idea was to
  spray
a small stream of water through the carb when it was running. The water
would mix with the air & would convert to steam in the engine,
  providing a
little extra "push". The idea worked - I documented a 1 MPG improvement
  in
my 1974 Olds Cutlass Supreme. Problem was, 1 MPG was not worth the
  trouble
of maintaining the system.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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[MBZ] Refueling!

[Wilton Strickland]

Wife just refueled the 350SDL for $97!!!

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] OT - RRBV's, cost of fuel, etc.

[Mitch Haley]

Robert Rentfro wrote:
> 
> I still see plenty of these on the road, but it's fun to listen to the
> owners carp when they are filling them up at the filling station.

We've got to come up with a good retort for that one. Something like
"Don't blame me, I didn't buy that POS" but wittier.

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Re: [MBZ] Octane rating of Cars

[OK Don]

OK -  the manual for teh '78 450SLC stated regular.

On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 7:47 AM, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not according to my owner's manual it doesn't.  1972 280 SE 4.5,
> requires premium -- min 93 octane I think.  It knocks on regular.
>
> It might have been detuned for the 73 to 78 models though.
>
> Peter



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Re: [MBZ] OT - RRBV's, cost of fuel, etc.

[Robert Rentfro]

I still see plenty of these on the road, but it's fun to listen to the
owners carp when they are filling them up at the filling station. I have
noticed that when my girl and I go out to eat we almost never have to wait
for a table anywhere anymore.

Bob R. 

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Subject: [MBZ] OT - RRBV's, cost of fuel, etc.

Coupla nights ago, the "thirty-something" family across the street had a
party.  I looked out my kitchen window and counted 15 vehicles parked on the
street between our 2 houses.  Only one - ONE - of the vehicles was a sedan -
an RSV (reasonably-sized vehicle).  ALL of the rest were RRBV's (really
ridiculously-big vehicles - some people call 'em SUV's).  Most of 'em were
Escalades, Navigators, Hummers, Suburbans, etc.  My point:  as I've said for
many years, way too-few people are concerned about the cost & availability
of fuel!

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] NY times article

[Robert Rentfro]

Are you the guy in the article who bought the car for $50?

Bob R

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Subject: [MBZ] NY times article

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/automobiles/collectibles/18SMOKE.html?_r=1
&ref=todayspaper&oref=slogin
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Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power/Browns gas?

[Bill R]

And that reminds me of a joke of course:  What do you have when you have a
moth ball in one hand and a moth ball in the other hand?
A REALLY big moth -probably ticked off, also.
BillR
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power/Browns gas?

hendrik wrote <>

Perhaps you could hire the people who "gather" (to put a kind spin on 
it) "Moth Balls".  I've always
admired those people who could catch what must be incredibly large moths and

then wrestle them to the ground
and get them flipped over before they .  well, better not go into the 
gory details.  It's enough to say the
moth and ball collector are never quite the same.  Luckily for the moth, 
they grow back - usually to be
harvested once again.  It must be terribly traumatic for all involved.

I would guess snake milking is equally difficult.  I've been told (*who*

tells me all these things?) the vipers
and other highly poisonous snakes provide the highest quality milk.  Of 
course there are often accidents where
the snake bites the milker sending them (the milker) to the hospital for 
anti-venom.  Naturally this causes
the milkers to be hesitant to milk the poisoness snakes - turnover in this 
industry is unusually high.  Perhaps they
could be lured to become Moth Ball Collectors while recovering from a severe

bite?  They are probably
pretty vulnerable when their arms/legs/whatever are still swollen 3 x's the 
normal size and the pain is second only to
childbirth and kidney stones.

Have a nice day -- 


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power/Browns gas?


> No not possible in such a way that it would improve your mileage.
> Browns gas has been around for a long while but has never been gotten to
> work as advertised.
> There are heaps of websites that promise much the same thing.
> Anyway perhaps I could interest you Diesel people with some high zetane
> snake oil, guaranteed to get you 1000mpg.
>
> Hendrik
> with a large scale snake oil refinery in the back yard but catching the
> snakes and milking them is a tricky operation
>
> LarryT wrote:
>> http://runyourcarwithwater.youbetterreadthis.com/
>>
>> I immediately became suspicious when J Carter endorsed it -- 
>>
>> But some of you are super knowledgable about chemistry - tell me if this 
>> is
>> possible --
>>
>> Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D)
>>
>>
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[MBZ] NY times article

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/automobiles/collectibles/18SMOKE.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper&oref=slogin
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Re: [MBZ] OT, windows fax

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

windows cant find file

Russ Williams wrote:
> It's there Kaleb just not turned on.
> 
> To start Windows Fax and Scan, click *Start*, type wfs.exe in the *Start 
> Search* box, and then click *wfs.exe* in the *Programs* list.
> 
>  If you are prompted for an administrator password or confirmation, type 
> the password, or click *Continue*.
> 
> Russ W.
> 
> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>> I discovered the premium home edition does not have fax.
>>
>> Wonko the Sane wrote:
>>   
>>> Perhaps Vista is faux XP.
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
 OK, needing to setup fax on this Vista.  With XP and previous versions
 of windows, I had fax setup to receive fax automatically.  Have a switch
 box installed that will automatically switch to fax if one is coming in.
  Well, I cant for the life of me find anything about fax in this vista.
  Anybody know where its hid or what the deal is?
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Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power?

[Lee Einer]

A local mechanic here is selling a snake-oil contraption which makes
"browns gas" as well as tinkering with the ignition timing and he claims
it gets mileage improvements of over 100%. It is Dennis Lee's device,
and it is BS.

A good place to start the inquiry is by asking how much of the gasoline
which goes into the cylinders in your car exits unburnt. This arguably
represents the maximum gain you can make by simply improving combustion.
It is a very small number in modern, fuel injected cars.

Are internal combustion engines energy efficient? Not really. A lot of
energy is released not in the form of kinetic energy but of heat which
must be dissipated by the cooling system. But the 'browns gas" devices
do nothing to change that.

Lee


Tom Hargrave wrote:
> A small amount of hydrogen & oxygen (brown's gas) will improve the
> combustion process and will provide more power. Then you'll use that
> additional power plus extra to make more Brown's gas.
> 
> Propane injection also works but its false economics. You burn less gas &
> more propane.
> 
> All of these solutions were tried in the 70's & they finally disappeared
> when the public figured out that they were BS.
> 
> The real issue is that whenever there is money to be made, there are more
> than just a few crooks out there waiting to take your hard earned dollars.
> 
> 
> That said, there is a way to use water to improve mileage, but not by much.
> We experimented with water injection in the late 70s. The idea was to spray
> a small stream of water through the carb when it was running. The water
> would mix with the air & would convert to steam in the engine, providing a
> little extra "push". The idea worked - I documented a 1 MPG improvement in
> my 1974 Olds Cutlass Supreme. Problem was, 1 MPG was not worth the trouble
> of maintaining the system. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
> 256-656-1924
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of MG
> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 8:07 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power?
> 
> I've been looking at that and thinking about it for a while. I can't see 
> it either. On the other hand I can see that it might be possible that a 
> small amount of Brown's gas (hydrogen and the oxygen that it was split 
> from) burned in conjunction with gasoline or diesel may possibly improve 
> the combustion process enough to actually give more power and thus more 
> mileage from each gallon of fuel. I have seen the power increase from 
> propane injection on a diesel truck so I can't say that this won't work. 
> Probably will try it sometime once I get some time to play just to see. 
> After all I have a good test bed.
> 
> Manfred
> 
> 
> 
> Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 15:55:02 -0500
> From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> They are burning hydrogen in the engine.
> 
> They are using power from the battery to split water into hydrogen &
>   oxygen.
> 
> But where does the power come from that's stored in the battery?
> 
>  >From the alternator, right?
> 
> And the alternator is powered by (drum roll please), the engine?
> 
> So, it goes like this..
> 
> They are using power from the engine to generate electricity, which is
>   used
> to generate hydrogen, which is then fed back into the engine to
>   generate
> more power.
> 
> The issue with this system is that in an absolute perfect, no loss
>   system,
> the results would be a net zero! In other words, no gain!
> 
> In the real world, you loose energy with every step in the process
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
> 256-656-1924
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power?

[Scott Ritchey]

Hydrogen is a fine fuel aside for the fact it's hard to store.  But hydrogen
is only an energy storage medium, not an energy source (free hydrogen is not
just lying around somewhere).  So you need some other energy source to
produce hydrogen.

Scott Ritchey

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http://runyourcarwithwater.youbetterreadthis.com/

I immediately became suspicious when J Carter endorsed it -- 

But some of you are super knowledgable about chemistry - tell me if this is
possible --

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Re: [MBZ] OT - RRBV's, cost of fuel, etc.

[LWB250]

Heh.  Wait until gas hits $4/gallon in a few weeks. 
They'll be crying big-time then...

Dan


--- Wilton Strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Coupla nights ago, the "thirty-something" family
> across the street had a
> party.  I looked out my kitchen window and counted
> 15 vehicles parked on the
> street between our 2 houses.  Only one - ONE - of
> the vehicles was a sedan -
> an RSV (reasonably-sized vehicle).  ALL of the rest
> were RRBV's (really
> ridiculously-big vehicles - some people call 'em
> SUV's).  Most of 'em were
> Escalades, Navigators, Hummers, Suburbans, etc.  My
> point:  as I've said for
> many years, way too-few people are concerned about
> the cost & availability
> of fuel!
> 
> Wilton
> 2 MB's, one bigun (126), one mid-size (124)
> 


  

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[MBZ] OT - RRBV's, cost of fuel, etc.

[Wilton Strickland]

Coupla nights ago, the "thirty-something" family across the street had a
party.  I looked out my kitchen window and counted 15 vehicles parked on the
street between our 2 houses.  Only one - ONE - of the vehicles was a sedan -
an RSV (reasonably-sized vehicle).  ALL of the rest were RRBV's (really
ridiculously-big vehicles - some people call 'em SUV's).  Most of 'em were
Escalades, Navigators, Hummers, Suburbans, etc.  My point:  as I've said for
many years, way too-few people are concerned about the cost & availability
of fuel!

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power?

[Tom Hargrave]

A small amount of hydrogen & oxygen (brown's gas) will improve the
combustion process and will provide more power. Then you'll use that
additional power plus extra to make more Brown's gas.

Propane injection also works but its false economics. You burn less gas &
more propane.

All of these solutions were tried in the 70's & they finally disappeared
when the public figured out that they were BS.

The real issue is that whenever there is money to be made, there are more
than just a few crooks out there waiting to take your hard earned dollars.


That said, there is a way to use water to improve mileage, but not by much.
We experimented with water injection in the late 70s. The idea was to spray
a small stream of water through the carb when it was running. The water
would mix with the air & would convert to steam in the engine, providing a
little extra "push". The idea worked - I documented a 1 MPG improvement in
my 1974 Olds Cutlass Supreme. Problem was, 1 MPG was not worth the trouble
of maintaining the system. 

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 8:07 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power?

I've been looking at that and thinking about it for a while. I can't see 
it either. On the other hand I can see that it might be possible that a 
small amount of Brown's gas (hydrogen and the oxygen that it was split 
from) burned in conjunction with gasoline or diesel may possibly improve 
the combustion process enough to actually give more power and thus more 
mileage from each gallon of fuel. I have seen the power increase from 
propane injection on a diesel truck so I can't say that this won't work. 
Probably will try it sometime once I get some time to play just to see. 
After all I have a good test bed.

Manfred



Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 15:55:02 -0500
From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

They are burning hydrogen in the engine.

They are using power from the battery to split water into hydrogen &
  oxygen.

But where does the power come from that's stored in the battery?

 >From the alternator, right?

And the alternator is powered by (drum roll please), the engine?

So, it goes like this..

They are using power from the engine to generate electricity, which is
  used
to generate hydrogen, which is then fed back into the engine to
  generate
more power.

The issue with this system is that in an absolute perfect, no loss
  system,
the results would be a net zero! In other words, no gain!

In the real world, you loose energy with every step in the process

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924


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Re: [MBZ] Welding Wire -- WAS: update on the cracked frame rail

[dave walton]

You are able to use thinner wire and stay on the same spot longer to
create a larger pool of melted metal - which helps offset the higher
power you can use with a thicker wire. If you are filling in material,
the larger wire deposits more metal quicker so you use less gas. If
you have small cylinders the gas will be the largest expense. You can
still get an effective weld with thinner wire - on a butt weld just
bevel the edges and make 2 or 3 passes, and/or weld both sides if you
can get to it, for example. The guy who taught me started in the Navy
then worked for the gas company welding natural gas mains. He uses a
Lincoln now.

-Dave Walton

On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Peter T. Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In theory, the larger the work, the more power and that follow the
> thicker wire.
>
> In home duty, you are usually power limited so you make several
> passes, stopping to chip off slag between each pass.  Works ok but
> time consuming.
>
> Pete
>
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 08:14:01 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>A, that makes sense  - I assume the heat from welding reacts with the
>>flux and a gas is created?
>>
>>One more question please - how is the correct diameter of wire selected?
>>larger wire for thicker metal?
>>
>>Thx -
>>
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>>
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>>To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
>>Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 8:33 AM
>>Subject: Re: [MBZ] update on the cracked frame rail
>>
>>
>>> Flux filled wire creates its own shielding gas.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
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>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power?

[MG]

I've been looking at that and thinking about it for a while. I can't see 
it either. On the other hand I can see that it might be possible that a 
small amount of Brown's gas (hydrogen and the oxygen that it was split 
from) burned in conjunction with gasoline or diesel may possibly improve 
the combustion process enough to actually give more power and thus more 
mileage from each gallon of fuel. I have seen the power increase from 
propane injection on a diesel truck so I can't say that this won't work. 
Probably will try it sometime once I get some time to play just to see. 
After all I have a good test bed.

Manfred



Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 15:55:02 -0500
From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

They are burning hydrogen in the engine.

They are using power from the battery to split water into hydrogen &
  oxygen.

But where does the power come from that's stored in the battery?

 >From the alternator, right?

And the alternator is powered by (drum roll please), the engine?

So, it goes like this..

They are using power from the engine to generate electricity, which is
  used
to generate hydrogen, which is then fed back into the engine to
  generate
more power.

The issue with this system is that in an absolute perfect, no loss
  system,
the results would be a net zero! In other words, no gain!

In the real world, you loose energy with every step in the process

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924


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Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power/Browns gas?

[LarryT]

hendrik wrote <>

Perhaps you could hire the people who "gather" (to put a kind spin on 
it) "Moth Balls".  I've always
admired those people who could catch what must be incredibly large moths and 
then wrestle them to the ground
and get them flipped over before they .  well, better not go into the 
gory details.  It's enough to say the
moth and ball collector are never quite the same.  Luckily for the moth, 
they grow back - usually to be
harvested once again.  It must be terribly traumatic for all involved.

I would guess snake milking is equally difficult.  I've been told (*who* 
tells me all these things?) the vipers
and other highly poisonous snakes provide the highest quality milk.  Of 
course there are often accidents where
the snake bites the milker sending them (the milker) to the hospital for 
anti-venom.  Naturally this causes
the milkers to be hesitant to milk the poisoness snakes - turnover in this 
industry is unusually high.  Perhaps they
could be lured to become Moth Ball Collectors while recovering from a severe 
bite?  They are probably
pretty vulnerable when their arms/legs/whatever are still swollen 3 x's the 
normal size and the pain is second only to
childbirth and kidney stones.

Have a nice day -- 


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power/Browns gas?


> No not possible in such a way that it would improve your mileage.
> Browns gas has been around for a long while but has never been gotten to
> work as advertised.
> There are heaps of websites that promise much the same thing.
> Anyway perhaps I could interest you Diesel people with some high zetane
> snake oil, guaranteed to get you 1000mpg.
>
> Hendrik
> with a large scale snake oil refinery in the back yard but catching the
> snakes and milking them is a tricky operation
>
> LarryT wrote:
>> http://runyourcarwithwater.youbetterreadthis.com/
>>
>> I immediately became suspicious when J Carter endorsed it -- 
>>
>> But some of you are super knowledgable about chemistry - tell me if this 
>> is
>> possible --
>>
>> Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D)
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Octane rating of Cars

[Peter Frederick]

Not according to my owner's manual it doesn't.  1972 280 SE 4.5,  
requires premium -- min 93 octane I think.  It knocks on regular.

It might have been detuned for the 73 to 78 models though.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Welding Wire -- WAS: update on the cracked frame rail

[Peter T . Arnold]

In theory, the larger the work, the more power and that follow the
thicker wire.

In home duty, you are usually power limited so you make several
passes, stopping to chip off slag between each pass.  Works ok but
time consuming.

Pete

On Sun, 18 May 2008 08:14:01 -0400, you wrote:

>A, that makes sense  - I assume the heat from welding reacts with the 
>flux and a gas is created?
>
>One more question please - how is the correct diameter of wire selected? 
>larger wire for thicker metal?
>
>Thx -
>
>Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D)
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>- Original Message - 
>From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
>Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 8:33 AM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] update on the cracked frame rail
>
>
>> Flux filled wire creates its own shielding gas.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom Hargrave
>> www.kegkits.com
>> 256-656-1924
>>
>>
>[SNIP] 
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[MBZ] Welding Wire -- WAS: update on the cracked frame rail

[LarryT]

A, that makes sense  - I assume the heat from welding reacts with the 
flux and a gas is created?

One more question please - how is the correct diameter of wire selected? 
larger wire for thicker metal?

Thx -

Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D)
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- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] update on the cracked frame rail


> Flux filled wire creates its own shielding gas.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
> 256-656-1924
>
>
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