Re: [MBZ] stupid ebay

[Archer]

Hi Diana,
EBay has changed its rules and the sellers on this group are upset.  You 
might want to check out the new rules before you sell anything important 
there.
Love,   Pop
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From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Banned List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "mercedes Mailing List" 

> so I have unpaid buyers, cant do a damn thing to them, cant leave them
> negative feedback.  I would not be surprised if they didnt leave me
> negative even though THEY didnt pay.  Sellers are going to get screwed
> big time.
> -- 
> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>  94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL,
>  89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
> http://www.okiebenz.com


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Re: [MBZ] selling a 300SDL CHEAP

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ames -- get the college (professor) crowd.
>

Not Iowa City?  I thought U of Iowa, not Iowa State, was the
notoriously lefty one.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] '87 300D saga

[Harry Watkins]

Jim wrote:

"Standard compression test lore is to shoot some oil into the cylinder
and test it again, significant changes point to rings."

I asked about doing that many years ago because I always did it with
gasser's.  Someone on the old list warned that the oil could act as fuel and
a combustion could occur.  I decided to follow that advice so I still don't
know.  Is it a common practice with diesels?

Thanks
Harry

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:03 PM, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Also - since the white smoke stops as it gets hot - which state is
> > "correct", or does the difference tell us something?
>
> The difference could indeed tell someone something.  But perhaps
> not me.  I've just heard/read that a compression test is only
> meaningful when hot.  I interpret that to say that while it can
> pass when cold, 'failing' when cold isn't failure.  You could
> have a gunky valve that's not sealing when cold, etc.  Standard
> compression test lore is to shoot some oil into the cylinder
> and test it again, significant changes point to rings, else
> it's head gasket and/or valves at fault.
>
> I had bad white smoke on the 190D when I had the IP timed
> off by one spline.  A sticky centrifugal advance mechanism
> could cause some sorts of misbehavior, though that's certainly
> a robust enough mechanism not to be particularly prone to it.
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] Parkersburg IA tornado pics - and a long soapbox rant

[Rich Thomas]

I am really starting to wonder about you.  I think those flying 
eggbeaters addled your gulliver.  You might want to consider applying 
for full disability.

--R

Wonko the Sane wrote:
> I sent $25 to Biden.
>
> Don't get me wrong -- I like the guy, 
>

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Re: [MBZ] selling a 300SDL CHEAP

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

hahaha, if nobody buys it, I have plenty of things that need a good 
engine like that one.

OK Don wrote:
> I need that engine for the 300D - can I "borrow" it for a weekend?
> 

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  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] selling a 300SDL CHEAP

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

you should buy it back, you know you want it.  I even fixed the turn 
signal lens

OK Don wrote:
> That's how it was when I bought it -- AMG stuff???
> 
> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I dont know, ask Ok Don
>>
> :
>>> What's with the side skirts?
> 

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  89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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[MBZ] stupid ebay

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

so I have unpaid buyers, cant do a damn thing to them, cant leave them 
negative feedback.  I would not be surprised if they didnt leave me 
negative even though THEY didnt pay.  Sellers are going to get screwed 
big time.
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  94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL,
  89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
http://www.okiebenz.com

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Re: [MBZ] OT "That's HEDLEY!"

[JFreezn]

 
Him and Tim Conway used to break up Carol Burnette so bad she would have to 
hide her face.!!
We'll miss him!
 
Jim in Phoenix
 
n a message dated 5/29/2008 5:20:19 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Harvey Korman just passed.  Damn.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/TV/05/29/korman.obit/index.html





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Re: [MBZ] selling a 300SDL CHEAP

[JFreezn]

 
In a message dated 5/29/2008 4:50:12 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

What might another city be good to post this in?  Would some biodiesel 
idiot in seattle or somewhere come out here to buy this or have it shipped?

California buyers are paying premium prices for diesels.  Hit all the big 
cities!
 
 
JIm Friesen
Phoenix, AZ
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98 ML320, 126K miles



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Re: [MBZ] '87 300D saga

[Jim Cathey]

> Also - since the white smoke stops as it gets hot - which state is
> "correct", or does the difference tell us something?

The difference could indeed tell someone something.  But perhaps
not me.  I've just heard/read that a compression test is only
meaningful when hot.  I interpret that to say that while it can
pass when cold, 'failing' when cold isn't failure.  You could
have a gunky valve that's not sealing when cold, etc.  Standard
compression test lore is to shoot some oil into the cylinder
and test it again, significant changes point to rings, else
it's head gasket and/or valves at fault.

I had bad white smoke on the 190D when I had the IP timed
off by one spline.  A sticky centrifugal advance mechanism
could cause some sorts of misbehavior, though that's certainly
a robust enough mechanism not to be particularly prone to it.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Parkersburg IA tornado pics - and a long soapbox rant

[Wonko the Sane]

I rest my case.

I sent $25 to Biden. I am still getting "send title -- er, send money"
emails. Last one yesterday!

It has gone from "make me President" emails to "re-elect me to the Senate"
emails.

Don't get me wrong -- I like the guy, but I am not going to send money from
Iowa to help elect a Delaware Senator.

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:27 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > You mentioned having a garage sale and sending money. But to whom do
> > you send the money? Some are reluctant to send money because it is
> > unknown (unless one takes the time to do the research) how much of
> > that money actually gets to those in need and how much is siphoned
> > off as overhead.
>
> I sent money to the Red Cross after Katrina.  Figured you can't really
> go wrong there.  Incidentally they thanked me by sending me spam email
> twice a week begging for more for two years thereafter.
>
> Allan
> --
> 1983 300D
>
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Re: [MBZ] Parkersburg IA tornado pics - and a long soapbox rant

[OK Don]

That's what turns me off from donating ---

> Incidentally they thanked me by sending me spam email
> twice a week begging for more for two years thereafter.
>

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Re: [MBZ] '87 300D saga

[OK Don]

> Did you torque the delivery valves correctly?

Yes - according to Marshal's instructions.

>
> Did you check the chain for stretch?  You need to, it's probably 4
> degrees or more "long" and will give you all the late injection
> problems.
>
Not yet - first thing tomorrow though. Is replacing the chain any more
difficult than on a 617? (I've done that a couple of times).

> You will need to carefully inspect the head when it's off -- look for
> cracks around the valves and prechamber.  However, cracks are usually
> obvious, and almost always blow into the coolant, so if there is no
> oil in there and no cold pressure, the head is good.  The gasket is
> shot -- they typically leak between #3 and #4 and out #1 into the oil
> passage across the front and into the bolt holes on #6.
>
Good info - thanks.

> Compression isn't great, but it's not terrible either, should start
> right up.
>
It does start right up - hot or cold, when there's fuel in the lines :-)

> Check that you do get voltage on the glow plugs -- relays have been
> known to fail.
>
Another thing we haven't tested yet, but will.

> The head gasket isn't bad on that car if you have a lift.  Wire tie
> the cam sproket to the chain, remove intake and associated stuff,
> pull the pins for the top chain guide, drain coolant, remove line for
> the turbo oil feed from the side of the block, and pull cam sproket
> and head bolts.
>
Do you leave the exhaust manifold and turbo on the head? That would
explain the need for the lift (I do have one), and keep it simpler.
Do I remember something about the rear Exhaust manifold bolts breaking?

> You will need a set of new head bolts, they are "stretch" bolts and I
> would NOT re-use them, you are only asking for doing the job again.
>
Good advice.

> Test the nozzles while you are at it.

My testing resource passed on a few years ago - will have to search
out a new resource.

>
> If you have significant blowby, do the valves too if you have the $$
> -- you may end up with a nearly new engine.  Mine looked new except
> for the cracked head at 275,000.

I'm not sure about the blowby, though there is a LOT of carbon in the
intake manifold and the cross-over pipe.

>

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Re: [MBZ] Parkersburg IA tornado pics - and a long soapbox rant

[Allan Streib]

"Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> You mentioned having a garage sale and sending money. But to whom do
> you send the money? Some are reluctant to send money because it is
> unknown (unless one takes the time to do the research) how much of
> that money actually gets to those in need and how much is siphoned
> off as overhead.

I sent money to the Red Cross after Katrina.  Figured you can't really
go wrong there.  Incidentally they thanked me by sending me spam email
twice a week begging for more for two years thereafter.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] '87 300D saga

[OK Don]

I checked it three times, removed and checked the Shraeder valve each
time. Maybe the seat in the glow plug hole was dirty, though I tried
to clean it with a rag on the end of a Phillips screw driver. It did
hit 160 right away, for what that's worth.

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:44 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> #3: Why should the gauge leak down from 160?
> Was there a chunk of soot in the shraeder valve?
> I'd definitely retest that cylinder, since the gauge was working
> fine for the later cylinders. I bet Kleb is right and you've got
> a head gasket problem, right up front where it's common to fail.
>

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Re: [MBZ] '87 300D saga

[Peter Frederick]

You have a blown head gasket.  Replace it before you hydrolock #1 and  
bend the rods.

Did you torque the delivery valves correctly?

Did you check the chain for stretch?  You need to, it's probably 4  
degrees or more "long" and will give you all the late injection  
problems.

You will need to carefully inspect the head when it's off -- look for  
cracks around the valves and prechamber.  However, cracks are usually  
obvious, and almost always blow into the coolant, so if there is no  
oil in there and no cold pressure, the head is good.  The gasket is  
shot -- they typically leak between #3 and #4 and out #1 into the oil  
passage across the front and into the bolt holes on #6.

Compression isn't great, but it's not terrible either, should start  
right up.

Check that you do get voltage on the glow plugs -- relays have been  
known to fail.

The head gasket isn't bad on that car if you have a lift.  Wire tie  
the cam sproket to the chain, remove intake and associated stuff,  
pull the pins for the top chain guide, drain coolant, remove line for  
the turbo oil feed from the side of the block, and pull cam sproket  
and head bolts.

You will need a set of new head bolts, they are "stretch" bolts and I  
would NOT re-use them, you are only asking for doing the job again.

Test the nozzles while you are at it.

If you have significant blowby, do the valves too if you have the $$  
-- you may end up with a nearly new engine.  Mine looked new except  
for the cracked head at 275,000.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] '87 300D saga

[Mitch Haley]

#3: Why should the gauge leak down from 160? 
Was there a chunk of soot in the shraeder valve?
I'd definitely retest that cylinder, since the gauge was working
fine for the later cylinders. I bet Kleb is right and you've got
a head gasket problem, right up front where it's common to fail. 

OK Don wrote:
> 
> This is about the 300D that my son bought (cheap - Kaleb prices) with
> a crunched fender (fixed now). It blows white smoke until it's about
> warmed up, misses about every second when idling, and Kaleb says (he
> was PO twice removed) that it needs a head gasket.
> It is also hard to start sometimes - acts like an air leak in a Diesel
> line. We replaces all the rubber hoses under the hood (some were
> original), and routed the lines properly (supply and return lines were
> reversed, as were the lines to the fuel pre-heater). Still had a leak.
> There was always standing fuel on top of the IP, so we pulled the
> manifold today, and replaced the o-rings around the delivery valves.
> Since we were there, we pulled all the glow plugs (all measured 1.1
> Ohms), bought a Diesel compression tester at Harbor Freight, and
> measured the compression (very cold engine, not started for a week).
> The results were:
> #1 - 200psi
> #2 - 360psi
> #3 - hit 160, then back to zero before the next compression stroke
> #4 - 360psi
> #5 - 360psi
> #6 - 360psi
> So - what to do next?  Look for another head (this is a #14, bit no
> pressure in the top radiator hose), look for another engine, buy a
> head gasket set from Rusty, pull the head and see what we find?
> 
> Kaleb - what do you have to sell/trade? want a 240D for the SDL?
> 
> --
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> Norman, OK
> "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics."
> -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain
> '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply
> Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go)
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Re: [MBZ] Parkersburg IA tornado pics - and a long soapbox rant

[Bill R]

We could always ask them what they prefer ..


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> raisin farms [those are retirement communities for the uninitiated]

I always heard them as the more alliterative "raisin ranch."

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] '87 300D saga

[OK Don]

Crap - the means we have to put it all back together, get it hot, then
take it back apart (can't get to all the glow plugs with the intake
on).
Also - since the white smoke stops as it gets hot - which state is
"correct", or does the difference tell us something?

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> measured the compression (very cold engine, not started for a week).
>> The results were:
>> #1 - 200psi
>> #2 - 360psi
>> #3 - hit 160, then back to zero before the next compression stroke
>> #4 - 360psi
>> #5 - 360psi
>> #6 - 360psi
>> So - what to do next?
>
> Test it again hot.  Cold compression tests aren't necessarily
> indicative of the true state of things.
>
> -- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] Parkersburg IA tornado pics - and a long soapbox rant

[Jim Cathey]

> raisin farms [those are retirement communities for the uninitiated]

I always heard them as the more alliterative "raisin ranch."

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Re: [MBZ] '87 300D saga

[Jim Cathey]

> measured the compression (very cold engine, not started for a week).
> The results were:
> #1 - 200psi
> #2 - 360psi
> #3 - hit 160, then back to zero before the next compression stroke
> #4 - 360psi
> #5 - 360psi
> #6 - 360psi
> So - what to do next?

Test it again hot.  Cold compression tests aren't necessarily
indicative of the true state of things.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Parkersburg IA tornado pics - and a long soapbox rant

[Bill R]

Your comments are right on.  People do want to help, and in my opinion much
of my job was trying to put faces and personal stories to the headlines and
lesser known situations around the world.  My frustration is that often
'wanting to help' means cleaning out the junk in the closet and garage and
sending it to someone who doesn't need it, can't use it, costs more to ship
than it is worth, or which harms the locals more than it helps. People then
feel like something good has been done for those in need.  There is no other
way to say it - cash is the biggest help. Just do your homework and send it
to a decent charity that is careful about overhead and how it helps folks.
http://charitynavigator.org is one site that can help with that. The
accepted rule is 35% max overhead, but personally I'd stick to around 20%
overhead before I am willing to contribute. One of my friends heard a
director of an international aid group who thought it helpful that the
people they sent didn't speak the language as that would stop them from
being influenced by the locals.  Absurd. Your church is the largest of the
36 denominations that make up Church World Service [Gee - you helped pay my
salary!] The horror stories have not come from your giving through your
church, especially that part that went to CWS. Just about all of our foreign
staff are native to the countries we work in and have the contacts and
background to know what people need and how to get assistance where it is
needed. That matters. During the days Afghanistan was controlled by the
Taliban CWS had schools for girls and Taliban approved health clinics for
women because our staff were locals and not an 'outside' group coming in.
As far as overhead let's start from the other end of things:  if you
want almost zero overhead drive to a poor area and hand your money to
someone who looks like they need it.  Overhead is the cost of fuel. If you
want people who have spent their lives working to help others and who have
college loans to pay off and kids to feed then some reasonable salaries are
to be expected.  Expertise costs - but not as much as trying to get the job
done with untrained help. I'd mention Iraq as an example of that. The half
million $ salaries and fancy parties that some organizations are known for
don't happen in the responsible ones.  One of the  things I appreciated
about my organization was how flat the salary ranges were.  Our regional
director made a bit more than I did, and the director of our international
organization [based in New York] made less than twice what I did.  It is
still expensive to have an organization that covers most of the globe,
though.  BTW, the lowest overhead is still the nuns who do charity work, of
course.  Can't beat them at that.
Those flood relief kits are probably designed from a CWS kit
brochure - and we send kits all over the world [but not the ones with the
mops...],  and the donor is paying for the shipping.  I have been in some
pretty backwater places and seen health and personal kits stockpiled for
emergencies.  Honestly, a lot of what it does is let people have a 'hands
on' experience that is important to them.  Disaster / flood relief cleanup
kits are difficult and expensive to ship, and with most of the kits there is
a note that says what the value of the kit is and gives an option to send
that $ instead so supplies can be purchased locally.   
Obviously a topic I could go on about for some time, but probably
already enough for this forum.
BillR

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Parkersburg IA tornado pics - and a long soapbox rant

On a more serious note, I think that when a disaster hits (anywhere) folks
want to help but simply don't know how to. Some of the issues you mentioned
are nothing more than the result of well intentioned groups and individuals
grasping at straws to do *something*.

You mentioned having a garage sale and sending money. But to whom do you
send the money? Some are reluctant to send money because it is unknown
(unless one takes the time to do the research) how much of that money
actually gets to those in need and how much is siphoned off as overhead.

Sending stuff, even the wrong stuff, is just a gut reaction to a feeling of
helplessness on the part of the well-meaning. It isn't that we don't CARE
(pun intended) -- we want to SAVE THE CHILDREN.

Our local church as been assembling flood relief kits (it must be a
Methodist thing -- deathly afraid of water at the time of baptism (use the
minimum wetness possible) and that carries through even to social and
charitable projects) and I swear that half of the stuff included would be
worthless to someone who is suddenly homeless and jobless.
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[MBZ] '87 300D saga

[OK Don]

This is about the 300D that my son bought (cheap - Kaleb prices) with
a crunched fender (fixed now). It blows white smoke until it's about
warmed up, misses about every second when idling, and Kaleb says (he
was PO twice removed) that it needs a head gasket.
It is also hard to start sometimes - acts like an air leak in a Diesel
line. We replaces all the rubber hoses under the hood (some were
original), and routed the lines properly (supply and return lines were
reversed, as were the lines to the fuel pre-heater). Still had a leak.
There was always standing fuel on top of the IP, so we pulled the
manifold today, and replaced the o-rings around the delivery valves.
Since we were there, we pulled all the glow plugs (all measured 1.1
Ohms), bought a Diesel compression tester at Harbor Freight, and
measured the compression (very cold engine, not started for a week).
The results were:
#1 - 200psi
#2 - 360psi
#3 - hit 160, then back to zero before the next compression stroke
#4 - 360psi
#5 - 360psi
#6 - 360psi
So - what to do next?  Look for another head (this is a #14, bit no
pressure in the top radiator hose), look for another engine, buy a
head gasket set from Rusty, pull the head and see what we find?

Kaleb - what do you have to sell/trade? want a 240D for the SDL?


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Re: [MBZ] selling a 300SDL CHEAP

[Wonko the Sane]

Ames -- get the college (professor) crowd.

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> What might another city be good to post this in?  Would some biodiesel
> idiot in seattle or somewhere come out here to buy this or have it shipped?
>
> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> > Got my E420 put back together and will be able to start driving in soon.
> >   Also about have my 190D ready to go and will soon have my 91 2.5turbo
> > back on the road.  So, I really dont need this SDL really.  Its a great
> > car, has a few minor problems etc which any old car will but its selling
> > cheap.  Here is the info.  Somebody here needs to buy this.
> >
> > http://tulsa.craigslist.org/car/700291762.html
> >
> >
>
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>  89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] selling a 300SDL CHEAP

[OK Don]

I need that engine for the 300D - can I "borrow" it for a weekend?

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Re: [MBZ] selling a 300SDL CHEAP

[OK Don]

That's how it was when I bought it -- AMG stuff???

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I dont know, ask Ok Don
>
:
>> What's with the side skirts?

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Re: [MBZ] fat man in the heat question

[MG]

I kind of like 'The Balled of Ruben Clamso and his Strange Daughter in 
the key of G'. For G that's a big clam, or maybe do it in C for I hope 
he don't see me, or in F for  he sees me,

Manfred



Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:33:39 -0400
From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Curt Raymond wrote:
 >
 > Alice doesn't live in the restaurant, she lives in a church nearby
  the
 > restaurant with her husband Ray and Fouchia (sp?) the dog.

I bet there's someplace on the net you can look up all 22 minutes of
the lyrics. But "I don't want a pickle, I just want to ride on my
motor-sickle" would be less longwinded and just as funny.

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Re: [MBZ] Parkersburg IA tornado pics - and a long soapbox rant

[Wonko the Sane]

On a more serious note, I think that when a disaster hits (anywhere) folks
want to help but simply don't know how to. Some of the issues you mentioned
are nothing more than the result of well intentioned groups and individuals
grasping at straws to do *something*.

You mentioned having a garage sale and sending money. But to whom do you
send the money? Some are reluctant to send money because it is unknown
(unless one takes the time to do the research) how much of that money
actually gets to those in need and how much is siphoned off as overhead.

Sending stuff, even the wrong stuff, is just a gut reaction to a feeling of
helplessness on the part of the well-meaning. It isn't that we don't CARE
(pun intended) -- we want to SAVE THE CHILDREN.

Our local church as been assembling flood relief kits (it must be a
Methodist thing -- deathly afraid of water at the time of baptism (use the
minimum wetness possible) and that carries through even to social and
charitable projects) and I swear that half of the stuff included would be
worthless to someone who is suddenly homeless and jobless.
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Re: [MBZ] [Banned] "That's HEDLEY!"

[M. Mitchell Marmel]

At 5:19 PM -0700 5/29/08, LWB250 wrote:
>Harvey Korman just passed.  Damn.
>
>http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/TV/05/29/korman.obit/index.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJIh70IZua8&feature=related

He'll be missed.

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Re: [MBZ] selling a 300SDL CHEAP

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I dont know, ask Ok Don

Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> http://tulsa.craigslist.org/car/700291762.html
>>
> 
> What's with the side skirts?
> 
> Alex
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  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] Parkersburg IA tornado pics - and a long soapbox rant

[Wonko the Sane]

Probably appropriate but too late, since they were already ... well, never
mind.

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:00 PM, Bill R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The county AIDS coordinating council I was a member of sent two cases of
> condoms, ...
>



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Re: [MBZ] selling a 300SDL CHEAP

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://tulsa.craigslist.org/car/700291762.html
>

What's with the side skirts?

Alex

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[MBZ] "That's HEDLEY!"

[LWB250]

Harvey Korman just passed.  Damn.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/TV/05/29/korman.obit/index.html

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Re: [MBZ] Parkersburg IA tornado pics - and a long soapbox rant

[Bill R]

Yes, I'm sure the Andrew stories being so widespread and long lived had some
influence by being in Florida, but neither Homestead nor Florida City are
tourist areas.  People going to the Keys drive by on the Turnpike, but don't
often stop or go into those cities.  Another part of it was how wide a swath
[at times 100 miles or more wide] and relatively slow moving a hurricane is
- a few days at least knowing it might be coming then it veered away from
the central part of Miami and hit the un-prepared and un-warned agricultural
and immigrant communities and a few raisin farms [those are retirement
communities for the uninitiated].  The devastation cost the communities
about a third of their population [IIRC] - many people just couldn't get
over the memories and moved North right into the path of the four that hit a
few years later. While the frozen dinners left on the side of the road and
the piles of blankets and used sweaters and winter coats and mittens donated
to help out in Homestead in the 90+ degree heat of August might have been
sent with good intentions - even the fur stole someone sent, but for some
reason a person who has just lost there home doesn't have a used t-shirt as
a priority item. I mention losing a home both literally and figuratively as
some lifelong residents could not find the land their homes had been on with
no street signs, trees or buildings left standing or recognizable for a
mile. I did work to get some stuff there myself.  The county AIDS
coordinating council I was a member of sent two cases of condoms, and my
congregation send a load of food and feminine products. These were needed by
a local family planning center and not available locally if folks still had
transportation, and we knew enough people in the area so that we could meet
unmet needs away from the aid centers.
   
SOAPBOX RANT TIME:  When there is a disaster and you want to help, gather
everything anyone wants to donate and have a garage sale and send the money.
The world has never had a disaster [in so far as our records show] that
there was not enough food in the larger area to feed people. The problem is
that the people can't afford to buy the food.  The main effect of dumping
our excess commodities is to help our farmers [not a bad thing in itself]
and our shippers [also not a bad thing in itself] and put the local farmers
and food sellers out of business.  Ditto with clothing - imagine trying to
run a clothing shop or factory when a truck comes through on a regular basis
and gives free clothes to anyone.  Fine for during the immediate aftermath
of a disaster [sometimes], but it destroys local economies and makes things
worse when public focus moves elsewhere. Many charities will buy food and
supplies locally [and if they don't do not send them your money or your
goods].  Support those that do.  I did fund raising for international and
national hunger for Church World Service for 11 years.  I've been to some of
the disaster areas and know some of the people who do the work and have seen
it in action.  It works far better than the 600 - 1000 cargo containers that
sat on the docks in Honduras for months after the hurricane induced
mudslides there. The sad thing is that in addition to the fact that it would
have required every social service worker in the country to stop their aid
work and come to the docks to unload those containers, was that so much of
it was simply inappropriate or actually cost much needed money to bury or
burn. Images of a football sized field of soggy clothing and other items
being buried by bulldozers do stick in the brain [happened in West Central
Florida].  The organization I worked for sent a memo about the @ $4 Million
needed to dispose of just-outdated medical supplies that some US
pharmaceutical companies got tax write-offs for sending to Bosnia when they
were in the news.
OK... I'll stop my rant now.  Some things I just really do care about, and
'aid' that isn't, or only helps the giver, is one of them.
BillR, now retired Associate Regional Director, covering South Florida for
Church World Service

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 5:35 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Parkersburg IA tornado pics

That is exactly what I said.  The difference is that we heard about 
Homestead for years in the media, because it was 
Florida.  Parkersburg won't be heard outside of Iowa after this weekend.

When I was in college one of my favorite professors lived in Jordan 
Iowa, which was destroyed by the last F5 to land in Iowa, 32 years 
ago.  Jordan was not much of a town, but the damage was 
unbelievable.  I saw that firsthand.  Fortunately, there were no 
lives lost in that one, and it was hard to believe everyone lived 
through it.  The stories that are coming out of Parkersburg are really wild.

At 01:20 PM 5/29/2008, you wrote:
>Wow.  I have not seen scenes like that si

Re: [MBZ] 124 evapectomy

[Wilton Strickland]

I'll need to pay local ref. guy to do that with my R-12.

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 evapectomy


> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Wilton Strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > 'Ordered ACM evaporator with exp. valve, 6 vac pods, rec/dryer,
compressor
> > manifold, several seals/o-rings, antifreeze.
> >
> > 'Need to get a bit of compressor oil (R-12 compatible) locally.
> >
>
> Do you have the equipment to purge and recharge the A/C system or will
> you be paying somebody else to do that?
>
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Re: [MBZ] selling a 300SDL CHEAP

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

What might another city be good to post this in?  Would some biodiesel 
idiot in seattle or somewhere come out here to buy this or have it shipped?

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> Got my E420 put back together and will be able to start driving in soon. 
>   Also about have my 190D ready to go and will soon have my 91 2.5turbo 
> back on the road.  So, I really dont need this SDL really.  Its a great 
> car, has a few minor problems etc which any old car will but its selling 
> cheap.  Here is the info.  Somebody here needs to buy this.
> 
> http://tulsa.craigslist.org/car/700291762.html
> 
> 

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  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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[MBZ] selling a 300SDL CHEAP

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Got my E420 put back together and will be able to start driving in soon. 
  Also about have my 190D ready to go and will soon have my 91 2.5turbo 
back on the road.  So, I really dont need this SDL really.  Its a great 
car, has a few minor problems etc which any old car will but its selling 
cheap.  Here is the info.  Somebody here needs to buy this.

http://tulsa.craigslist.org/car/700291762.html


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  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] Parkersburg IA tornado pics

[LWB250]

In the mid 80s we had a tornado pass just south of the
house in Greenwood, IN.  You could hear it from the
house, but it was so dark outside you couldn't see
anything.  We didn't have a basement, so we hunkered
down in the corner of the house and covered ourselves
with some heavy blankets.

The devastation was similar to what you described
below - it was like a giant lawn mower or bulldozer
went through.  The rolling hills south of us, around
Martinsville, IN, had this neat path about 100 feet
wide just wandering over the hills and fields.  Stuff
on either side appeared untouched.

Nasty stuff, tornadoes.

Dan



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wrote:

> About 1974  a huge tornado blew about 30mi through
> Indiana, went through 
> a little town called Monticello and picked up 2
> spans of a steel truss 
> bridge, lifted them INTACT and dropped them in the
> river about 200yd 
> away.  Lot of the town destroyed.  I was in college
> in W. Lafayette, and 
> in the flying club.  Was out at the little airport
> washing/waxing a 
> plane, when my buddy and I noticed it was getting
> really weird outside 
> -- yellow sky, hot/humid, no bugs buzzing, no birds
> to be seen, the 
> airport dogs were digging in, hairs on our arms
> standing up, everyone 
> had left and forgot to tell us to go home or get
> underground.  Se we 
> decided to leave, got about halfway back to campus
> (maybe 8 miles), 
> black as night, when it hit, could not see the hood
> of the car it was 
> raining so hard.  I pulled over to what I thought
> was the side of the 
> road to make sure I did not get rear-ended or
> something, we rode it out 
> (ride was the word too) for a few minutes til it
> passed and sun came out. 
> 
> Got back to campus, tornado had lifted off the
> ground just before 2 8- 
> or 10-story dorms and went over them, then back down
> to ground.  Lot of 
> guys in the dorm were watching it, too dumb I guess
> to go to the 
> basement, and were amazed it did that.  Heard about
> what else it did 
> later on the news, was like Armageddon around there.
>  My buddy and I 
> realized too that we were not too smart (and that is
> really something 
> when you are 20 yr old!), could have been slung
> about in the car like a 
> foam cup.  We figured we had been real close to
> where it went but it was 
> raining so hard we could not see or hear.
> 
> A couple of days later we took the plane up and flew
> the whole path of 
> the tornado.  Looked like a D1100 (that would be a
> real big one) Cat had 
> plowed about 30miles of farmland, town, woods,
> bridges, anything else.  
> It was incredible.  Did not have a good camera at
> the time (or video!), 
> that would have been something to have.  In some
> places you could see 
> where it went between a barn and house, maybe 100
> ft, leaving the 
> furrow, but nothing hurt.  In other places, houses
> and barns just 
> exploded but a tree sitting there OK.  There was
> debris over about 100 
> sqmi, junk everywhere -- cars, trucks, tractors,
> building bits, trees, 
> lotsa mobile homes.  Saw a couple of 2x4s stuck
> through phone poles like 
> a skewer through a mushroom.  We flew low and slow
> for an hour or two, 
> finally came back and just said, "ohshit."  Talk
> about humility.
> 
> I've been near a couple other small ones, but
> nothing like that.  Now I 
> have hurricanes to worry about, not sure which is
> worse.



  

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Re: [MBZ] Parkersburg IA tornado pics

[Wonko the Sane]

Naw, that is just Todd's yard as it normally looks.

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> I just heard that they are finding stuff from Parkersburg in Wisconsin.
>


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Re: [MBZ] 124 evapectomy

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Wilton Strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 'Ordered ACM evaporator with exp. valve, 6 vac pods, rec/dryer, compressor
> manifold, several seals/o-rings, antifreeze.
>
> 'Need to get a bit of compressor oil (R-12 compatible) locally.
>

Do you have the equipment to purge and recharge the A/C system or will
you be paying somebody else to do that?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] 124 evapectomy

[Wilton Strickland]

Yep, and lub as necessary.

Wilton

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> It'll never fly Orville!
> 
>  Where's the mechanic's lubrication??
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 evapectomy

[Jeff Zedic]

It'll never fly Orville!

 Where's the mechanic's lubrication??

Zedic

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[MBZ] Doors

[Wilton Strickland]

On my 126, I could easily tell by the markings on/in the paint, etc., where
the orig. hinges were.

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] 124 evapectomy

[Wilton Strickland]

'Ordered ACM evaporator with exp. valve, 6 vac pods, rec/dryer, compressor
manifold, several seals/o-rings, antifreeze.

'Need to get a bit of compressor oil (R-12 compatible) locally.

'Have several tools ready:  large notebook of MB CD pdf's and
okiebenz/mercedesshop tips, digital camera, ziplock bags, zip ties as
necessary, several small bottles of different bright colors acrylic paint
(from wife's artist paint kit) for marking/coding wires/tubes, stick-on
labels, pen for writing, 3 flat screwdrivers (different sizes for prying and
screwing as necessary), 3 Phillips screwdrivers, awl/icepick, ratchet with
extensions, 8 mm socket (others as necessary), inst cluster & radio
extraction tools (from coat hangers), needle nose pliers (straight and
angled), channel lock pliers, 4.5 mm allen wrench, flat tool (much like
angled butter knife) to aid removal of center console sides, flat crowbar
for prying evap box from firewall, caulking as necessary, masking & duct
tape as/if necessary, coupla old terrycloth towels, flashlight.

'Getting IVIG treatment tomorrow.  'May start evapectomy Sat. if I'm feeling
OK by then - we'll see - 'don't need to hurry, 'cept to beat summer heat,
humidity and 'sqeeters.

Wilton

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> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Wilton Strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > 'Just ordered stuff for my 87 300D evapectomy from Rusty & Crew.
> >
>
> Care to give us the shopping list if you have time, Wilton?  I'm
> assuming some heater hoses, some clamps, the evaporator itself, and
> all the climate control vacuum pods... what else are you replacing
> while you're in there?  (Sooner or later I will have to do this job,
> so I'm taking lots of notes.)
>
> Alex Chamberlain
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Re: [MBZ] 124 suspension ?

[Peter Frederick]

The suspension is still in use, but the new links last much longer, I  
think.

Peter

On May 28, 2008, at 7:06 PM, LarryT wrote:

> Do the newer W124s suffer similar suspension problems?  Like the  
> early 90s
> W124s?
>
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 6:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 suspension ?
>
>
>> Ah - that changes things considerably.
>>
>> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Loren Faeth  
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>> Yes, I toyed with that approach, but when i looked underneath, some
>>> of the links had fairly new tags, indicating fairly recent
>>> replacement.  So, I decided to try to figure out where the real
>>> problem(s) are.
>>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 124 suspension ?

[Peter Frederick]

Replace subframe mounts (four), differential mounts (one two piece up  
front, two that press into the subframe), and all the links in the  
rear suspension except the spring (control arm) link -- it gets new  
bushings inner and outer.

You will think you have a new car.

Rusty used to sell a complete set of links and bushings at a decent  
discount, I think.

I need to do this to the "new" 300D -- I was half way through it on  
the old one.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] CD JOB 83-40

[Peter Frederick]

Not on a W124.  It's not really difficult, just long and tedious.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Parkersburg IA tornado pics

[Rich Thomas]

About 1974  a huge tornado blew about 30mi through Indiana, went through 
a little town called Monticello and picked up 2 spans of a steel truss 
bridge, lifted them INTACT and dropped them in the river about 200yd 
away.  Lot of the town destroyed.  I was in college in W. Lafayette, and 
in the flying club.  Was out at the little airport washing/waxing a 
plane, when my buddy and I noticed it was getting really weird outside 
-- yellow sky, hot/humid, no bugs buzzing, no birds to be seen, the 
airport dogs were digging in, hairs on our arms standing up, everyone 
had left and forgot to tell us to go home or get underground.  Se we 
decided to leave, got about halfway back to campus (maybe 8 miles), 
black as night, when it hit, could not see the hood of the car it was 
raining so hard.  I pulled over to what I thought was the side of the 
road to make sure I did not get rear-ended or something, we rode it out 
(ride was the word too) for a few minutes til it passed and sun came out. 

Got back to campus, tornado had lifted off the ground just before 2 8- 
or 10-story dorms and went over them, then back down to ground.  Lot of 
guys in the dorm were watching it, too dumb I guess to go to the 
basement, and were amazed it did that.  Heard about what else it did 
later on the news, was like Armageddon around there.  My buddy and I 
realized too that we were not too smart (and that is really something 
when you are 20 yr old!), could have been slung about in the car like a 
foam cup.  We figured we had been real close to where it went but it was 
raining so hard we could not see or hear.

A couple of days later we took the plane up and flew the whole path of 
the tornado.  Looked like a D1100 (that would be a real big one) Cat had 
plowed about 30miles of farmland, town, woods, bridges, anything else.  
It was incredible.  Did not have a good camera at the time (or video!), 
that would have been something to have.  In some places you could see 
where it went between a barn and house, maybe 100 ft, leaving the 
furrow, but nothing hurt.  In other places, houses and barns just 
exploded but a tree sitting there OK.  There was debris over about 100 
sqmi, junk everywhere -- cars, trucks, tractors, building bits, trees, 
lotsa mobile homes.  Saw a couple of 2x4s stuck through phone poles like 
a skewer through a mushroom.  We flew low and slow for an hour or two, 
finally came back and just said, "ohshit."  Talk about humility.

I've been near a couple other small ones, but nothing like that.  Now I 
have hurricanes to worry about, not sure which is worse.

--R

Loren Faeth wrote:
> That is exactly what I said.  The difference is that we heard about 
> Homestead for years in the media, because it was 
> Florida.  Parkersburg won't be heard outside of Iowa after this weekend.
>
> When I was in college one of my favorite professors lived in Jordan 
> Iowa, which was destroyed by the last F5 to land in Iowa, 32 years 
> ago.  Jordan was not much of a town, but the damage was 
> unbelievable.  I saw that firsthand.  Fortunately, there were no 
> lives lost in that one, and it was hard to believe everyone lived 
> through it.  The stories that are coming out of Parkersburg are really wild.
>
> At 01:20 PM 5/29/2008, you wrote:
>   
>> Wow.  I have not seen scenes like that since Homestead/Florida City after
>> hurricane Andrew.  It does give some appreciation for the stability of the
>> 'golf ball & tee' water towers though.
>> BillR
>>
>> -Original Message-
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>> On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
>> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:24 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Parkersburg IA tornado pics
>>
>> Wow - what chaos.  Anybody hurt?
>>
>> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> http://tinyurl.com/3zkq6r
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Doors, was: Home made Differential and (transmission?) jack

[R A Bennell]

In your experience, how uniform are the doors and hinges? IE - if one is taking 
off and then reinstalling the same
door in the same spot, then marking the hinge placement by scratching around 
the outside of them probably makes a
lot of sense. Doing so for another door may not be perfect but should get one 
close to a reasonable fit if the
doors and hinges are reasonably uniform from the factory.

Randy

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jack


If the bolts are not terribly rusty, you want about a 12" handle on
the wrench.  They should come right out.  Rust changes
everything.  As for bolting on a door, you should be able to get it
fairly close.  You WILL need help.  Put in all the bolts loosely,
then try to align them where the old bolts were.  Snug the bolts, but
don't tighten.  try closing the door gently and see where you
are.  Make adjustments as needed.  Tighten the bolts when you have it
where you want the door.

You may want to leave final alignment to the paint shop.

At 03:58 PM 5/29/2008, you wrote:

>I'm curious about this too. We want to make my soon to be reaquired
>240D into a pretty nice car and one part of that will be replacing
>one rear door.
>I've always been concerned about getting the replacement on and
>aligned correctly. Getting it off the car I'm not so worried about ;)
>
>-Curt
>
>Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:28:42 -0400
>From: "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Home made Differential and (transmission?) jack
>To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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>Thanks!
>
>While we're on the subject (sort of), how difficult is it to remove a
>  W123
>300D front door?  I know how to dismantle the wires and lines that run
>through the door gromets, but how tightly torqued are the hinge bolts?
>   Once
>removed, how challenging is it to attach a door to another car and
>  adjust
>the connections so that the door will close cleanly?  Should I leave
>  this
>job to a body shop?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Parkersburg IA tornado pics

[Loren Faeth]

I just heard that they are finding stuff from Parkersburg in Wisconsin.

At 04:35 PM 5/29/2008, you wrote:
>That is exactly what I said.  The difference is that we heard about
>Homestead for years in the media, because it was
>Florida.  Parkersburg won't be heard outside of Iowa after this weekend.
>
>When I was in college one of my favorite professors lived in Jordan
>Iowa, which was destroyed by the last F5 to land in Iowa, 32 years
>ago.  Jordan was not much of a town, but the damage was
>unbelievable.  I saw that firsthand.  Fortunately, there were no
>lives lost in that one, and it was hard to believe everyone lived
>through it.  The stories that are coming out of Parkersburg are really wild.
>
>At 01:20 PM 5/29/2008, you wrote:
> >Wow.  I have not seen scenes like that since Homestead/Florida City after
> >hurricane Andrew.  It does give some appreciation for the stability of the
> >'golf ball & tee' water towers though.
> >BillR
> >
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> >
> >Wow - what chaos.  Anybody hurt?
> >
> >On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > http://tinyurl.com/3zkq6r
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Re: [MBZ] Parkersburg IA tornado pics

[OK Don]

With that much damage, you'd think it was Moore, OK  sorry to see
it happen elsewhere as well.

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That is exactly what I said.  The difference is that we heard about
> Homestead for years in the media, because it was
> Florida.  Parkersburg won't be heard outside of Iowa after this weekend.
>
> When I was in college one of my favorite professors lived in Jordan
> Iowa, which was destroyed by the last F5 to land in Iowa, 32 years
> ago.  Jordan was not much of a town, but the damage was
> unbelievable.  I saw that firsthand.  Fortunately, there were no
> lives lost in that one, and it was hard to believe everyone lived
> through it.  The stories that are coming out of Parkersburg are really wild.
>
> At 01:20 PM 5/29/2008, you wrote:
>>Wow.  I have not seen scenes like that since Homestead/Florida City after
>>hurricane Andrew.  It does give some appreciation for the stability of the
>>'golf ball & tee' water towers though.
>>BillR
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
>>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:24 PM
>>To: Mercedes Discussion List
>>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Parkersburg IA tornado pics
>>
>>Wow - what chaos.  Anybody hurt?
>>
>>On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > http://tinyurl.com/3zkq6r
>> >
>> > --
>> > LT Don
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>> >
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Re: [MBZ] Doors, was: Home made Differential and (transmission?) jack

[Loren Faeth]

If the bolts are not terribly rusty, you want about a 12" handle on 
the wrench.  They should come right out.  Rust changes 
everything.  As for bolting on a door, you should be able to get it 
fairly close.  You WILL need help.  Put in all the bolts loosely, 
then try to align them where the old bolts were.  Snug the bolts, but 
don't tighten.  try closing the door gently and see where you 
are.  Make adjustments as needed.  Tighten the bolts when you have it 
where you want the door.

You may want to leave final alignment to the paint shop.

At 03:58 PM 5/29/2008, you wrote:

>I'm curious about this too. We want to make my soon to be reaquired 
>240D into a pretty nice car and one part of that will be replacing 
>one rear door.
>I've always been concerned about getting the replacement on and 
>aligned correctly. Getting it off the car I'm not so worried about ;)
>
>-Curt
>
>Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:28:42 -0400
>From: "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Home made Differential and (transmission?) jack
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>Thanks!
>
>While we're on the subject (sort of), how difficult is it to remove a
>  W123
>300D front door?  I know how to dismantle the wires and lines that run
>through the door gromets, but how tightly torqued are the hinge bolts?
>   Once
>removed, how challenging is it to attach a door to another car and
>  adjust
>the connections so that the door will close cleanly?  Should I leave
>  this
>job to a body shop?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Parkersburg IA tornado pics

[Loren Faeth]

That is exactly what I said.  The difference is that we heard about 
Homestead for years in the media, because it was 
Florida.  Parkersburg won't be heard outside of Iowa after this weekend.

When I was in college one of my favorite professors lived in Jordan 
Iowa, which was destroyed by the last F5 to land in Iowa, 32 years 
ago.  Jordan was not much of a town, but the damage was 
unbelievable.  I saw that firsthand.  Fortunately, there were no 
lives lost in that one, and it was hard to believe everyone lived 
through it.  The stories that are coming out of Parkersburg are really wild.

At 01:20 PM 5/29/2008, you wrote:
>Wow.  I have not seen scenes like that since Homestead/Florida City after
>hurricane Andrew.  It does give some appreciation for the stability of the
>'golf ball & tee' water towers though.
>BillR
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>Wow - what chaos.  Anybody hurt?
>
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Re: [MBZ] 124 evapectomy

[JFreezn]

 
In a message dated 5/29/2008 1:25:09 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Wilton Strickland wrote:
> 'Just ordered stuff for my 87 300D evapectomy from Rusty & Crew.

Take pictures and/or video as you go deeper into the dash.  I did the one on 
my 79 about 5 years ago and have been rewarded with a leak free AC system ever 
since.  Still has R-12 in it!  The evaporator had started to disintegrate due 
to dirt and moisture build up and was about 1/3 (dare I say) occluded.   
 
Just a note for all you want to avoid this task.  Keep the area in the 
passenger's foot well scrupulously clean to avoid lint and trash from being 
sucked 
up and collected by the evaporator when on recirc.  Also, don't park under 
dirty trees.  They will crud up your AC system from the fresh air side--I don;t 
care if your screen is intact, stuff just gets through there!  You will be 
amazed at what can get through the blower!
 
I actually drove my car for about a week, with the dash removed, while 
waiting for parts to come in.  Just had to plug the mechanical oil pressure 
line and 
a couple vacuum lines.
 
Wishing you success,
 
JIm Friesen
Phoenix, AZ
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Re: [MBZ] Doors, was: Home made Differential and (transmission?) jack

[Curt Raymond]

I'm curious about this too. We want to make my soon to be reaquired 240D into a 
pretty nice car and one part of that will be replacing one rear door.
I've always been concerned about getting the replacement on and aligned 
correctly. Getting it off the car I'm not so worried about ;)

-Curt

Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:28:42 -0400
From: "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Home made Differential and (transmission?) jack
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Thanks!

While we're on the subject (sort of), how difficult is it to remove a
 W123
300D front door?  I know how to dismantle the wires and lines that run
through the door gromets, but how tightly torqued are the hinge bolts?
  Once
removed, how challenging is it to attach a door to another car and
 adjust
the connections so that the door will close cleanly?  Should I leave
 this
job to a body shop?

   
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap 240D for sale

[R A Bennell]

Never say never. A friend killed one when an oil pump failed.

Randy

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On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> mine runs like a top.
>

Exactly, you can't kill 'em if you try, so any supposedly dead one is
worth a look.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] 124 evapectomy

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Wilton Strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 'Just ordered stuff for my 87 300D evapectomy from Rusty & Crew.
>

Care to give us the shopping list if you have time, Wilton?  I'm
assuming some heater hoses, some clamps, the evaporator itself, and
all the climate control vacuum pods... what else are you replacing
while you're in there?  (Sooner or later I will have to do this job,
so I'm taking lots of notes.)

Alex Chamberlain
124s galore

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap 240D for sale

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> mine runs like a top.
>

Exactly, you can't kill 'em if you try, so any supposedly dead one is
worth a look.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap 240D for sale

[Gary Hurst]

mine runs like a top.

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Kevin Kraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > There's a cheap W115 '75 240D for $600.  If I had a parking space and
> $600
> > to throw around...?
>
> > http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/car/698398663.html
>
> "Won't start, needs to be towed away..."  Those words are an
> irresistable challenge when they're about an old diesel, aren't they?
> You just want to go over there and put in a new fuel filter, jump the
> GP relay, and drive off.
>
> Alex Chamberlain
> 124s galore
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap 240D for sale

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Kevin Kraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There's a cheap W115 '75 240D for $600.  If I had a parking space and $600
> to throw around...?

> http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/car/698398663.html

"Won't start, needs to be towed away..."  Those words are an
irresistable challenge when they're about an old diesel, aren't they?
You just want to go over there and put in a new fuel filter, jump the
GP relay, and drive off.

Alex Chamberlain
124s galore

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Re: [MBZ] 124 evapectomy

[John Robbins]

Wilton Strickland wrote:
> 'Just ordered stuff for my 87 300D evapectomy from Rusty & Crew.

Best of luck on the journey ahead!

John


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[MBZ] 124 evapectomy

[Wilton Strickland]

'Just ordered stuff for my 87 300D evapectomy from Rusty & Crew.

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] UBUNDON'T thus far for me

[Gary Hurst]

it's not that at all.  you just move from junk software that costs a lot of
money from people who are ultimately just out to make a fool of you to
decent software from people who are trying to expand the ability to use PCs
to all people.

more than anything, it's just about the company you wish to keep.

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Bill R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I await the bliss of Linux enlightenment 
>  ... greatly assisted by the support group of Linuxites on the list.
> BillR
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>
> send him a bootable 7.10 and the pclinux.  if that doesn't create
> happiness,
> i'm not sure what else can be done
>
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> > He probably won't need it. But the work-around is to load 7.10 first, get
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> >
> > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >
> > > aren't you anti 8.04 as it isn't supported by advantix?
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap 240D for sale

[Rich Thomas]

You can't use that word "retard" -- you have to say 
"mentally-challenged" or "differently-enabled" people.

That is all.

--R

Gary Hurst wrote:
> i had a nice running 240D i couldn't get any of you guys to spend $600 for,
> so i had to sell it to some local retard on layaway.
>
> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> Ad says not running, but its cheap.
>>
>> http://wichita.craigslist.org/car/699148598.html
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[MBZ] Home made diff and tranny

[Wilton Strickland]

Andrew, I R&R'd driver door  and LF fender on my 91 350SDL (125) 12 years
ago after bad meeting with a deer.  R&R and adjustment to align were really
very simple and straightforward.  123 should be even easier.

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] Cheap 240D for sale

[Gary Hurst]

i had a nice running 240D i couldn't get any of you guys to spend $600 for,
so i had to sell it to some local retard on layaway.

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ad says not running, but its cheap.
>
> http://wichita.craigslist.org/car/699148598.html
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> No affiliation.
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap 240D for sale

[Kevin Kraly]

There's a cheap W115 '75 240D for $600.  If I had a parking space and $600 
to throw around...?

Here it is.

http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/car/698398663.html

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula 


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Re: [MBZ] Home made Differential and (transmission?) jack

[andrew strasfogel]

Thanks!

While we're on the subject (sort of), how difficult is it to remove a W123
300D front door?  I know how to dismantle the wires and lines that run
through the door gromets, but how tightly torqued are the hinge bolts?  Once
removed, how challenging is it to attach a door to another car and adjust
the connections so that the door will close cleanly?  Should I leave this
job to a body shop?

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mine was 185lbs shipped from Cali.  That's carton, torque convertor, and
> transmission.
>
> Luther
>
> On Thu, 29 May 2008 12:26:09 -0500, andrew strasfogel <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Just out of curiosity, what does a transmission weigh?
> >
> > On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] Home made Differential and (transmission?) jack

[R A Bennell]

Sort of depends what it comes out of. The 5 speed in my 4Runner is heavy as the 
transfer case is attached. I know
it was not easy to drag out from under the truck after I had it down. Had to 
slide it off of the jack in order to
have enough clearance, then drag it out from under in order to clean up the 
bellhousing etc. Two of us lift it OK
to move it about the garage but I wouldn't be able to do it by myself. Have had 
it out 3 times for the clutch.
First one wore out. Second was a factory dud. Should have gone with original 
equipment parts as still not happy
with the 2nd version of the aftermarket unit. Then put the Toyota parts in last 
fall. Have not driven it since so
no idea if this is the one true fix or not.

Randy

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Just out of curiosity, what does a transmission weigh?

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Good idea.  I'll do that next time I use it.
> Thanks,
> Gerry
> --
>  > Looks good - very similar to the one I bought. Don't mean to sound
> > critical but you might consider changing the
> > piece of 2X10 for a couple of layers of 3/4" plywood. I would be
> concerned
> > that the wood might split if the weight
> > was sufficient.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> > -Original Message-
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> > Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 5:53 AM
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> > Subject: [MBZ] Home made Differential and (transmission?) jack
> >
> >
> > This is a "differential jack" I made in  about 20 minutes using 4 old
> > office
> > chair casters, an old scissors jack, 2" by 12" by 14" pine for base,
> piece
> > of 5/8" plywood to set diff on,  a piece of 1" by 3/16" steel bar, 5 1/4"
> > FH
> > bolts, and fender washers to fit.  The bar steel was bent to fit the the
> > differential at about its balance point.  The diff could then be rotated,
> > tilted, and raised up and down as needed.  It worked pretty well.
> > With a different size piece of plywood on top and another steel bar bent
> > appropriately, it could possibly be used as a transmission jack as well.
> >
> > This sort of rig might not be necessary for younger fellows who can
> easily
> > muscle a diff or transmission around underneath a car, but it came in
> > handy
> > for this old guy who tires more easily than he used
> > to. (g)
> > Gerry (pushing 80)
>
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Re: [MBZ] Parkersburg IA tornado pics

[Bill R]

Wow.  I have not seen scenes like that since Homestead/Florida City after
hurricane Andrew.  It does give some appreciation for the stability of the
'golf ball & tee' water towers though.
BillR

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Wow - what chaos.  Anybody hurt?

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Re: [MBZ] Parkersburg IA tornado pics

[Wonko the Sane]

Six killed.

http://blogs.trb.com/news/weather/weblog/wgnweather/2008/05/the_devastating_sunday_parkers.html

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> Wow - what chaos.  Anybody hurt?
>
> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
> > http://tinyurl.com/3zkq6r
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Re: [MBZ] Home made Differential and (transmission?) jack

[Luther]

Mine was 185lbs shipped from Cali.  That's carton, torque convertor, and 
transmission.

Luther

On Thu, 29 May 2008 12:26:09 -0500, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Just out of curiosity, what does a transmission weigh?
>
> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>

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Re: [MBZ] UBUNDON'T thus far for me

[Bill R]

Bless you my son ...


-Original Message-
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You are on the wrong site then. Ubuntu is free.

https://shipit.ubuntu.com/

But sit back and wait for the mail next week. Your CDs are in Des Moines
right now, being processed and sent your direction.

D.


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> The site referred me to Amazon to get CD's at @ $12 I think.  Did see some
> free, but 6 -610 weeks delivery.
> BillR
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:00 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] UBUNDON'T thus far for me
>
> Ubuntu is cool. You just "ask" them to send you CDs and they ask how many.
> NO charge. Donations accepted but voluntary. I ordered 6 of the 6.04 CDs a
> while back and they magically appeared in my mailbox one day. Passed them
> out like a Pentecostal preaching Jesus.
>
> Ubuntu is the Obama of LInux. Guess both names are African.
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:26 PM, MG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Bill,
> >
> > I just went online yesterday and am having them send me a copy of the
> > two disk set to get Edunbunto running on a computer for my
> > granddaughter. It seems to have a bunch of programs that are for 3 to 12
> > year old kids. Should last her a long time. I'll let you know when I get
> > them and make you a copy.
> >
> > Manfred
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 14:22:50 -0400
> > From: "Bill R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >
> > If I can get it usable for me I would like to put it on the new hard
> >  drive
> > for my daughters computer.  For that I will need a bootable disk I am
> >  sure.
> > Get me a shipping / materials cost [I'll PayPal it to you if you have
> >  an
> > account] and I'd appreciate having one.
> > Thanks -
> > BillR
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Re: [MBZ] Home made Differential and (transmission?) jack

[andrew strasfogel]

Just out of curiosity, what does a transmission weigh?

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Good idea.  I'll do that next time I use it.
> Thanks,
> Gerry
> --
>  > Looks good - very similar to the one I bought. Don't mean to sound
> > critical but you might consider changing the
> > piece of 2X10 for a couple of layers of 3/4" plywood. I would be
> concerned
> > that the wood might split if the weight
> > was sufficient.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of archer
> > Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 5:53 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Subject: [MBZ] Home made Differential and (transmission?) jack
> >
> >
> > This is a "differential jack" I made in  about 20 minutes using 4 old
> > office
> > chair casters, an old scissors jack, 2" by 12" by 14" pine for base,
> piece
> > of 5/8" plywood to set diff on,  a piece of 1" by 3/16" steel bar, 5 1/4"
> > FH
> > bolts, and fender washers to fit.  The bar steel was bent to fit the the
> > differential at about its balance point.  The diff could then be rotated,
> > tilted, and raised up and down as needed.  It worked pretty well.
> > With a different size piece of plywood on top and another steel bar bent
> > appropriately, it could possibly be used as a transmission jack as well.
> >
> > This sort of rig might not be necessary for younger fellows who can
> easily
> > muscle a diff or transmission around underneath a car, but it came in
> > handy
> > for this old guy who tires more easily than he used
> > to. (g)
> > Gerry (pushing 80)
>
> http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080524/efe53bf9/attachment.jpe
>
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Re: [MBZ] Parkersburg IA tornado pics

[andrew strasfogel]

Wow - what chaos.  Anybody hurt?

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> http://tinyurl.com/3zkq6r
>
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Re: [MBZ] UBUNDON'T thus far for me

[Bill R]

I await the bliss of Linux enlightenment 
  ... greatly assisted by the support group of Linuxites on the list.
BillR

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send him a bootable 7.10 and the pclinux.  if that doesn't create happiness,
i'm not sure what else can be done

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> He probably won't need it. But the work-around is to load 7.10 first, get
> the stuff you need, then do a dist-upgrade to 8.04.
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > aren't you anti 8.04 as it isn't supported by advantix?
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Home made Differential and (transmission?) jack

[Archer]

Good idea.  I'll do that next time I use it.
Thanks,
Gerry
--
> Looks good - very similar to the one I bought. Don't mean to sound 
> critical but you might consider changing the
> piece of 2X10 for a couple of layers of 3/4" plywood. I would be concerned 
> that the wood might split if the weight
> was sufficient.
>
> Randy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of archer
> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 5:53 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: [MBZ] Home made Differential and (transmission?) jack
>
>
> This is a "differential jack" I made in  about 20 minutes using 4 old 
> office
> chair casters, an old scissors jack, 2" by 12" by 14" pine for base, piece
> of 5/8" plywood to set diff on,  a piece of 1" by 3/16" steel bar, 5 1/4" 
> FH
> bolts, and fender washers to fit.  The bar steel was bent to fit the the
> differential at about its balance point.  The diff could then be rotated,
> tilted, and raised up and down as needed.  It worked pretty well.
> With a different size piece of plywood on top and another steel bar bent
> appropriately, it could possibly be used as a transmission jack as well.
>
> This sort of rig might not be necessary for younger fellows who can easily
> muscle a diff or transmission around underneath a car, but it came in 
> handy
> for this old guy who tires more easily than he used
> to. (g)
> Gerry (pushing 80)
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Re: [MBZ] Home made Differential and (transmission?) jack

[R A Bennell]

Looks good - very similar to the one I bought. Don't mean to sound critical but 
you might consider changing the
piece of 2X10 for a couple of layers of 3/4" plywood. I would be concerned that 
the wood might split if the weight
was sufficient.

Randy

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Subject: [MBZ] Home made Differential and (transmission?) jack


This is a "differential jack" I made in  about 20 minutes using 4 old office
chair casters, an old scissors jack, 2" by 12" by 14" pine for base, piece
of 5/8" plywood to set diff on,  a piece of 1" by 3/16" steel bar, 5 1/4" FH
bolts, and fender washers to fit.  The bar steel was bent to fit the the
differential at about its balance point.  The diff could then be rotated,
tilted, and raised up and down as needed.  It worked pretty well.
With a different size piece of plywood on top and another steel bar bent
appropriately, it could possibly be used as a transmission jack as well.

This sort of rig might not be necessary for younger fellows who can easily
muscle a diff or transmission around underneath a car, but it came in handy
for this old guy who tires more easily than he used
to. (g)
Gerry (pushing 80)
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Re: [MBZ] Bad reinstallation disk

[Archer]

Hi Fred,
It's a desktop and I would like to save the files on OE if at all possible. 
Glad to know about Wipe Drive.
Thanks,
Gerry


> Gerry.
> Laptop or Desktop? When re installing Dell disks, Wipe Drive works
> well giving a pristine disk to start with. No OS,  no leftovers, no
> virii. There a number of programs for doing this, some free, some for
> a nominal fee.
> Fred Moir
> Lynn MA
> " I love the smell of diesel in the morning"
>
> At 09:18 AM 5/29/2008, you wrote:
>>Dell sent the wrong reinstallation disk with a computer I've had for
>>3 years.  I just received the correct WinXP disk from them and
>>halfway through reinstallation the disk stopped loading on a blank
>>screen.  Now the computer will not boot at all.  The disk was in the
>>middle of loading the OS when it stopped.  I'm guessing that the OS
>>is still on the HD but nothing I've tried to load it has
>>worked.  Does anyone know of a program that might salvage it?  All
>>suggestions greatly appreciated.
>>Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] Bad reinstallation disk

[Frederick W Moir]

Gerry.
Laptop or Desktop? When re installing Dell disks, Wipe Drive works 
well giving a pristine disk to start with. No OS,  no leftovers, no 
virii. There a number of programs for doing this, some free, some for 
a nominal fee.
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
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At 09:18 AM 5/29/2008, you wrote:
>Dell sent the wrong reinstallation disk with a computer I've had for 
>3 years.  I just received the correct WinXP disk from them and 
>halfway through reinstallation the disk stopped loading on a blank 
>screen.  Now the computer will not boot at all.  The disk was in the 
>middle of loading the OS when it stopped.  I'm guessing that the OS 
>is still on the HD but nothing I've tried to load it has 
>worked.  Does anyone know of a program that might salvage it?  All 
>suggestions greatly appreciated.
>Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] SuperTurboDiesel.com to race in 24 hours of LeMons.

[Rolf]

http://superturbodiesel.com/std/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=94

I am donating my parts 300D for the race.

We are looking for sponsors with a few loose pennies to donate safety
equipment and or cash for race fees or fuel. Most of the money has
already been provided by the organizers company.
We are also looking for cheerleaders (spectators) and a mechanic or 2.
Pit fee is $75.

Anyone who is interested in helping out email me directly (rolf @nospam@
winmutt.com) or post on the board.

Thanks to Kaleb for letting me get the word out.

-Rolf


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Re: [MBZ] Home made Differential and (transmission?) jack

[Rich Thomas]

I don't know, some of those folks I see sitting in office chairs are 
loading them up with lots more weight than a Benz diff, tranny, and 
maybe even an engine.

--R

Mitch Haley wrote:
> The operative phrase here is "old office chair casters".
> I wouldn't bother with the crappy plastic ones on a lot of
> newer chairs, even though four of them could probably hold up
> a differential.
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[MBZ] Cheap 240D for sale

[Donald Snook]

Ad says not running, but its cheap.

http://wichita.craigslist.org/car/699148598.html

No affiliation.

Donald H. Snook

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[MBZ] OT Rat Rod project car for sale

[Donald Snook]

http://wichita.craigslist.org/car/699184107.html

Not mine, no affiliation, etc. Looks interesting if you are into these old cars.

Donald H. Snook



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Re: [MBZ] Home made Differential and (transmission?) jack

[Mitch Haley]

The operative phrase here is "old office chair casters".
I wouldn't bother with the crappy plastic ones on a lot of
newer chairs, even though four of them could probably hold up
a differential.

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Re: [MBZ] Home made Differential and (transmission?) jack

[Harry Watkins]

Very well done.  You old guys do good work.

Harry, (pushing 74)

On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 6:52 AM, archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is a "differential jack" I made in  about 20 minutes using 4 old
> office
> chair casters, an old scissors jack, 2" by 12" by 14" pine for base, piece
> of 5/8" plywood to set diff on,  a piece of 1" by 3/16" steel bar, 5 1/4"
> FH
> bolts, and fender washers to fit.  The bar steel was bent to fit the the
> differential at about its balance point.  The diff could then be rotated,
> tilted, and raised up and down as needed.  It worked pretty well.
> With a different size piece of plywood on top and another steel bar bent
> appropriately, it could possibly be used as a transmission jack as well.
>
> This sort of rig might not be necessary for younger fellows who can easily
> muscle a diff or transmission around underneath a car, but it came in handy
> for this old guy who tires more easily than he used
> to. (g)
> Gerry (pushing 80)
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[MBZ] Home made Differential and (transmission?) jack

[archer]

This is a "differential jack" I made in  about 20 minutes using 4 old office 
chair casters, an old scissors jack, 2" by 12" by 14" pine for base, piece 
of 5/8" plywood to set diff on,  a piece of 1" by 3/16" steel bar, 5 1/4" FH 
bolts, and fender washers to fit.  The bar steel was bent to fit the the 
differential at about its balance point.  The diff could then be rotated, 
tilted, and raised up and down as needed.  It worked pretty well.
With a different size piece of plywood on top and another steel bar bent 
appropriately, it could possibly be used as a transmission jack as well.

This sort of rig might not be necessary for younger fellows who can easily 
muscle a diff or transmission around underneath a car, but it came in handy 
for this old guy who tires more easily than he used
to. (g)
Gerry (pushing 80) 
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[MBZ] Moose day photo

[OK Don]

OK - it's a couple of days late, but I thought it was a cool moose picture.

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Re: [MBZ] 107 cds for Kaleb

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I dont swear I have one but I will look

OK Don wrote:
> I was going to trade you a CD for an emergency medical kit for a 124 ---
> 
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Ok, not huge hurry or anything.
>>
>> Jeff Zedic wrote:
>>> Kaleb,
>>>
>>> I've done some looking around but have been unable to find the 107
>>> cds...yet! I'm back in Canadia as I need to sort out the last bits of
>>> stuff back here.
>>>
>>> I'll keep  a sharp eye out an send them on once I find them.
>>> Sorry
>>>
>>> Zedic
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>>  94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D,
>>  89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>>  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
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  89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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[MBZ] Bad reinstallation disk

[Archer]

Dell sent the wrong reinstallation disk with a computer I've had for 3 years.  
I just received the correct WinXP disk from them and halfway through 
reinstallation the disk stopped loading on a blank screen.  Now the computer 
will not boot at all.  The disk was in the middle of loading the OS when it 
stopped.  I'm guessing that the OS is still on the HD but nothing I've tried to 
load it has worked.  Does anyone know of a program that might salvage it?  All 
suggestions greatly appreciated.
Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Oil prices

[Rich Thomas]

$80 if the USDollar was still worth what it was a year or two ago. 

I am counting on the stellar presidential candidates, any one of the 3 
or 5, to establish strong fiscal, energy, defense, and educational 
policies to get things sorted out.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA  I am just too funny!  I am killing myself!

--R

Mitch Haley wrote:
> Donald Snook wrote:
>   
>> OPEC says oil should be $60-70 per barrel 
>> 
>
> And daily extraction (I refuse to say petroleum is "produced")
> is quite high, not far off the January peak. 
> http://europe.theoildrum.com/node/4007
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Re: [MBZ] Oil prices

[Mitch Haley]

Donald Snook wrote:
> 
> OPEC says oil should be $60-70 per barrel 

And daily extraction (I refuse to say petroleum is "produced")
is quite high, not far off the January peak. 
http://europe.theoildrum.com/node/4007

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[MBZ] Oil prices

[Donald Snook]

OPEC says oil should be $60-70 per barrel (or about half of what it is at 
currently).

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91211-1317363,00.html

Donald H. Snook

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[MBZ] Parkersburg IA tornado pics

[Wonko the Sane]

http://tinyurl.com/3zkq6r

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apt-get update
apt-get upgrade
The following packages will be replaced
Prez
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y
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Re: [MBZ] Adventures in AutoZone

[Gary Hurst]

i'd have gotten autozone brand oil instead

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:44 PM, tom savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I went to AutoZone today to get a car battery.  When I pulled up there
> was a jalopy 911 SC idling in the lot.  Inside, a rednecky woman has the
> owner's manual out trying to figure out what sort of oil to get.  I
> overheard her asking the salesguy "It says 'Poorsh recommends multigrade
> oil;' where's that at?"  She left with five quarts of Pennzoil 10W-40,
> most of which were already poured into the engine when I left.
>
> Yikes.  I'm trying to think of the last time I saw someone so poorly
> matched to (or overmatched by) their car.
>
> Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Adventures in AutoZone

[Rolf]

Sounds like a 24hrs of LeMons candidate!

tom savage wrote:
> I went to AutoZone today to get a car battery.  When I pulled up there 
> was a jalopy 911 SC idling in the lot.  Inside, a rednecky woman has the 
> owner's manual out trying to figure out what sort of oil to get.  I 
> overheard her asking the salesguy "It says 'Poorsh recommends multigrade 
> oil;' where's that at?"  She left with five quarts of Pennzoil 10W-40, 
> most of which were already poured into the engine when I left.
>
> Yikes.  I'm trying to think of the last time I saw someone so poorly 
> matched to (or overmatched by) their car.
>
> Tom
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[MBZ] How crude becomes fuel

[Mitch Haley]

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4038

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Re: [MBZ] UBUNDON'T thus far for me

[Jeff Zedic]

On 28/05/2008, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> this is actually why i support ubuntu.  they are really doing everything
>  they can to open a solid third front and i don't care if it is not "the
>  best" or whatever.  if they are going to make this effort, i'm going to join
>  them in that effort


Why Hursty you communist you! Underming the evil corporate empire!

Kudos!

Zedic

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