[MBZ] Some more info on oil
HYPERLINK http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/brochures/gasoline/index.htmlhttp://www.e ia.doe.gov/bookshelf/brochures/gasoline/index.html Here’s an interesting excerpt from the page: Can I tell which country or State the gasoline at my local station comes from? The Energy Information Administration (EIA) cannot definitively say where gasoline at a given station originated since EIA does not collect data on the source of the gasoline sold at retail outlets. The name on the service station sign does not tell the whole story. The fact that you purchase gasoline from a given company does not necessarily mean that the gasoline was actually produced by that particular company’s refineries. While gasoline is sold at about 167,000 retail outlets across the nation, about one-third of these stations are “unbranded” dealers that may sell gasoline of any brand. The remainder of the outlets are “branded” stations, but may not necessarily be selling gasoline produced at that company’s refineries. This is because gasoline from different refineries is often combined for shipment by pipeline, and companies owning service stations in the same area may be purchasing gasoline at the same bulk terminal. In that case, the only difference between the gasoline at station X versus the gasoline at station Y may be the small amount of additives that those companies add to the gasoline before it gets to the pump. Even if we knew at which company’s refinery the gasoline was produced, the source of the crude oil used at that refinery may vary on a day-to-day basis. Most refiners use a mix of crude oils from various domestic and foreign sources. The mix of crude oils can change based on the relative cost and availability of crude oil from different sources. Thanks, Tom Hargrave HYPERLINK http://www.kegkits.comwww.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1480 - Release Date: 6/3/2008 7:00 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] An older brochure on diesel
HYPERLINK http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/brochures/diesel/http://www.eia.doe.gov/b ookshelf/brochures/diesel/ An interesting excerpt from this one: Why are diesel fuel prices higher than gasoline prices? Until several years ago, the average price of diesel fuel was usually lower than the average price of gasoline. In some winters when the demand for distillate heating oil was high, the price of diesel fuel rose above the gasoline price. Since September 2004, the price of diesel fuel has been generally higher than the price of regular gasoline all year round for several reasons. Worldwide demand for diesel fuel and other distillate fuel oils has been increasing steadily, with strong demand in China, Europe, and the U.S., putting more pressure on the tight global refining capacity. In the U.S., the transition to low-sulfur diesel fuel has affected diesel fuel production and distribution costs. Also, the Federal excise tax on diesel fuel is 6 cents higher per gallon (24.4 cents per gallon) than the tax on gasoline. Thanks, Tom Hargrave HYPERLINK http://www.kegkits.comwww.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1480 - Release Date: 6/3/2008 7:00 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Annoying Brake Squeal/Service Clowns
Brake squeal is caused by the brake pad oscillating is the result of gas being trapped between the pad and the rotor. Cutting a bevel in the leading edge helps sometimes. Another solution is a anti-squeal compound that most parts houses sell. The compound gets put on the back of the pads during install it acts like a shock absorber. GM used, and I assume still uses, an anti-squeal plate that is clipped over the back of the pads before install. Someone mentioned a Volvo 740 earlier. My wife drove one for years it had a terrible brake squeal, particularly when braking in reverse. I went by the Volvo Stealership they explained that the issue was the aftermarket rotors. I did not believe them but bought a set of rotors pads anyway. I installed them the squeal went away. Later, I installed a set of cheapo brake pads that I usually bought at the time and the squeal did not return. In other words, even the rotor material seems to have an effect on brake squeal. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 11:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Annoying Brake Squeal/Service Clowns I think it depends on which way the squealing happens - On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it the leading edge or the trailing edge of the pad that you grind a bevel on to stop the squeal? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1478 - Release Date: 6/2/2008 7:12 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1480 - Release Date: 6/3/2008 7:00 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A more graphic description of diesel gas prices
I just sent out another link with some of the answers. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig McCluskey Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 11:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] A more graphic description of diesel gas prices On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 21:33:37 -0500 Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A more graphic description of diesel gas prices, including a cost breakdown. http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/gdu/gasdiesel.asp They list the following info on the pumps to the right, Gasoline at $3.46/gallon Taxes 11% =$ 0.3806 DM6% =$ 0.2076 Refining 10% =$ 0.3460 Crude 73% =$ 2.5258 Diesel at 4.08/gallon Taxes 11% =$ 0.4488 DM7% =$ 0.2856 Refining 21% =$ 0.8568 Crude 61% =$ 2.4888 Something seems fishy here: Why is DM 38% higher for diesel? Why is Refining 148% higher for diesel? Surely the new refining techniques didn't make refining gasoline cost 40% of the cost of refining diesel, did it? Diesel still uses less crude than gasoline. Anyone have any answers? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1478 - Release Date: 6/2/2008 7:12 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1480 - Release Date: 6/3/2008 7:00 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] An older brochure on diesel
I'm convinced that the main reason diesel costs more now is hydrocracking. You can crack down the heavier molecules into gasoline and diesel. If you choose gasoline, you get more gallons than if you choose diesel. From now on, we'll be paying for fuel by the pound or by the BTU. 6 cents difference if FET is not the reason why regular is 3.99 while #2 is 4.89. (the heat content and taxes together can't fully explain it, so I expect diesel and gasoline to close the gap somewhat) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] German translation: Driveshaft?
I ask because apparently the 6 cyl w123 + manual 4 spd driveshaft is the same as the om617+ manual transmission. I just found that the om616 auto trans cross member is the correct one for om617+4spd. Trying to get this parts car ready for 24hours of LeMons. Rolf wrote: Anyone? Trying to locate the proper driveshaft on ebay.de. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1980 300 diesel wagon
They are great cars as long as you don't plan on getting anywhere via the interstate. The non turbos have a lower gearing and less noise dampening. Its quite loud at 65mph and tops out around 90. Beware a faulty SLS system, you can dump some serious money in there. Donald Snook wrote: I found an ad for a 1980 123 wagon. The seller listed it as a 300TD. But, does a 1980 wagon have a turbo? I thought the early ones were NA. Whether it is NA or turbo, what sort of mileage with these get? The price seems too low, so it might be a turd. According to the seller it only has 200K miles. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 80 123 Wagon
I just got more information from the seller of the 1980 300TD. He said the a/c was working last fall, but now does not blow cold. He also said the pass. Window doesn't work. I will probably go look at it. I have 2 pounds of R-12 and a small two ounce can with the compressor oil in it. I wonder if that would help with the a/c. I guess I would have to listen to it to see if the compressor is making noise. Could the window problem be the switch? Didn't someone say to spray some contact cleaner on the switch and cycle it a bunch of times? How hard are these window motors? I have never replaced one. Anyone know what the mileage would be? I would guess without turbo, you really have to drive it with a heavy foot. So, does that mean, about 23-24 mpg? Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 30 MPG? I already get it
I computed the mileage on my 300D (OM 617) the other day and was surprised to find that I was getting 26 MPG in-town. That's more than I remember -- I don't actually compute the mileage very often. I'm planning to keep a closer eye on it to see if that was just an anomaly. I agree, 30MPG from a new car in the year 2008 doesn't strike me as something for the manufacturer to crow about. Guess it depends on the car, if it's a big pickup or SUV that would be something Allan -- 1983 300D Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I could get 30-32 MPG with my 1962 190Dc Got 42-45 with my 82 Quantum, 5 speed, got 50 MPG with my 1984 Escort Diesel 5 speed Still get 32-34 with my 87 300D. At 06:28 PM 6/2/2008, you wrote: The Government is demanding 30 MPG and the car makers are proud of their cars which make it there. Heck My 1992 W-140 S350/300SD has been giving me 30 MPG since I bought it years ago. What I would like to see is a Diesel-Electric S Class (or any other class for that matter). Anyone know of a Natural Gas conversion for the Diesel? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 80 123 Wagon
How much does he want for it? On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Window is probably the switch -- easy enough to take apart (it just snaps together) and clean (put it in a baggie when you take it apart -- lots of little springs in there that like to fly around). Motors seem pretty bulletproof, but the first time you take it apart is 2 hr, the second time 30 min. A/C probably has a leak in the system, I would not waste your R12 until you find it. My 79 does maybe 23 or so, you use the pedal like a switch -- floored or not. Acceleration is stately. --R Donald Snook wrote: I just got more information from the seller of the 1980 300TD. He said the a/c was working last fall, but now does not blow cold. He also said the pass. Window doesn't work. I will probably go look at it. I have 2 pounds of R-12 and a small two ounce can with the compressor oil in it. I wonder if that would help with the a/c. I guess I would have to listen to it to see if the compressor is making noise. Could the window problem be the switch? Didn't someone say to spray some contact cleaner on the switch and cycle it a bunch of times? How hard are these window motors? I have never replaced one. Anyone know what the mileage would be? I would guess without turbo, you really have to drive it with a heavy foot. So, does that mean, about 23-24 mpg? Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 80 123 Wagon
Window is probably the switch -- easy enough to take apart (it just snaps together) and clean (put it in a baggie when you take it apart -- lots of little springs in there that like to fly around). Motors seem pretty bulletproof, but the first time you take it apart is 2 hr, the second time 30 min. A/C probably has a leak in the system, I would not waste your R12 until you find it. My 79 does maybe 23 or so, you use the pedal like a switch -- floored or not. Acceleration is stately. --R Donald Snook wrote: I just got more information from the seller of the 1980 300TD. He said the a/c was working last fall, but now does not blow cold. He also said the pass. Window doesn't work. I will probably go look at it. I have 2 pounds of R-12 and a small two ounce can with the compressor oil in it. I wonder if that would help with the a/c. I guess I would have to listen to it to see if the compressor is making noise. Could the window problem be the switch? Didn't someone say to spray some contact cleaner on the switch and cycle it a bunch of times? How hard are these window motors? I have never replaced one. Anyone know what the mileage would be? I would guess without turbo, you really have to drive it with a heavy foot. So, does that mean, about 23-24 mpg? Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act
It's about time they did something useful. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Y'all might want to edumacate yourselves on this thing our Congresscritters are going to do for us. --R http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121244985951839615.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] America's Climate Security Act
Y'all might want to edumacate yourselves on this thing our Congresscritters are going to do for us. --R http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121244985951839615.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Annoying Brake Squeal/Service Clowns
I've gone through one set of pads on my 99E300. Used Textar. No squeals before or after. I did use the green MB anti-squeal paste that comes in a little foil pack. -Dave Walton On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I got the E320 back and the brakes still squeal. Youngest daughter was getting some time behind the wheel so I had her spin right around and I went in to see the service manager who, of course, was gone for the day. I was not a happy camper. I calmly voiced my displeasure with my service clown and told him I'd likely not be back. I think I'll call the other dealerships to see who says they can stop this noise. I'm bound to use dealers until my Loyalty VISA is spent. Very aggravating. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 1:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Annoying Brake Squeal/Service Clowns On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The trouble now is the girls are falling in love with this mad red C300 loaner. I'd watch your right foot if I were you... the good thing about red cars is that they are chick magnets, the bad thing is that they are cop magnets. Alex Chamberlain no red cars ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act
Would that were true. The problem I see with this is that it is yet another thing created by lobbyists and those looking to raise taxes with no clear point to it other than to screw the taxpayers, again, in a new way under the scare of global warming or climate change or whatever is the current fad name. (Back in the 70s, the gloom and doom was global cooling, we were all going to freeze and starve in the dark. Big ps by the scientists on that one I guess.) Things like this have no measurable effect on the ostensible goal but do have a way of taking lots money from one pot (that would be yours and mine) with taxes, either direct or indirect, and putting it in another pot (that would be those who feed at the trough) for programs. That is just the way it works, rhetoric and laudable goals are just lipstick on the pig. The real problem is that the developing world all wants to live like those of us in the developed world, and will do whatever they need to get there (e.g., building lots of cheap and dirty CFPPs as fast as they can build them). That is not good, and this legislation will do nothing to affect that. The Indians and Chinese really could not care less what we think about their practices in that regard -- they have their own people to answer to, and carbon emissions are pretty low on their scale of concerns. The real answer is not to tax us to death, it's to spend some money on actually trying to do something to develop practical alternatives, whether conservation, new sources of energy, better technology, or anything else. That gives us something to sell to those who want to be like us, and weans us from the wackos who sell us oil now. It's a lot easier to raise taxes for some dubious purpose though, and seem like they have done something. So far, none of the politicians have stepped up to the real hard problem, and I expect none of them will. More panem et circes for the masses though. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: It's about time they did something useful. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Y'all might want to edumacate yourselves on this thing our Congresscritters are going to do for us. --R http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121244985951839615.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OkieQ?
Ugh, since Kaleb's lazy, plan one :) Luther On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 18:17:09 -0500, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps another IowaQ? On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody seemed interested so I didnt plan one. Luther wrote: What's the plan? -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 'yard fulla diesels
http://providence.craigslist.org/car/705493389.html No interest, etc etc-but looked like an interesting sell off. Dwight (who now only has two diesels in his yard-but lusting.) Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles. Wickford, RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1980 300 diesel wagon
The 83 240d is more heavily sound proofed I believe as well. I am just relaying my experience with my 80 300TD and why I bought my wife and 84 300TD. -Rolf Curt Raymond wrote: I commuted 85 miles round trip for 2 years in an '83 240D and then a year at 90 miles round trip. The 240D only has a top speed of like 86mph. Who cares, how much of the car's life is spent going that fast? I have no idea the top speed of my 190D. I took it to around 90mph once, that was plenty. nbsp; The TDs are all great cruising cars, the SLS makes them very comfortable to ride in. nbsp; -Curt nbsp; Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 08:11:24 -0400 From: Rolf lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1980 300 diesel wagon To: Mercedes Discussion List lt;mercedes@okiebenz.comgt; Message-ID: lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed They are great cars as long as you don't plan on getting anywhere via the interstate. The non turbos have a lower gearing and less noise dampening. Its quite loud at 65mph and tops out around 90. Beware a faulty SLS system, you can dump some serious money in there. Donald Snook wrote: gt; I found an ad for a 1980 123 wagon.nbsp; The seller listed it as a 300TD.nbsp; But, does a 1980 wagon have a turbo?nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;I thought the early ones were NA.nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;Whether it is NA or turbo, what sort of mileage with these get? gt;nbsp; The price seems too low, so it might be a turd.nbsp; According to the seller it only has 200K miles. gt; gt; Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] not so private RANT about Kaleb
Sort by order received instead of order sent. The received timestamp is added by your email service, it doesn't matter what time zone or setting the sender is using. dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: To be honest, I never noticed the time difference until you mentioned it. It does not affect the sort order in Gmail. -Dave Walton On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When will you fix your computer time so we can stop reading the replies to your messages BEFORE you send them? I'm sure I speak for everyone on the list. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 30 MPG? I already get it
GM crows about 34mpg in the Aveo which is a tiny crapbox, crazy. nbsp; -Curt nbsp; Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 09:13:06 -0400 From: Allan Streib lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Re: [MBZ] 30 MPG? I already get it To: Mercedes Discussion List lt;mercedes@okiebenz.comgt; Message-ID: lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I computed the mileage on my 300D (OM 617) the other day and was surprised to find that I was getting 26 MPG in-town.nbsp; That's more than I remember -- I don't actually compute the mileage very often.nbsp; I'm planning to keep a closer eye on it to see if that was just an anomaly. I agree, 30MPG from a new car in the year 2008 doesn't strike me as something for the manufacturer to crow about.nbsp; Guess it depends on the car, if it's a big pickup or SUV that would be something Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1980 300 diesel wagon
I commuted 85 miles round trip for 2 years in an '83 240D and then a year at 90 miles round trip. The 240D only has a top speed of like 86mph. Who cares, how much of the car's life is spent going that fast? I have no idea the top speed of my 190D. I took it to around 90mph once, that was plenty. nbsp; The TDs are all great cruising cars, the SLS makes them very comfortable to ride in. nbsp; -Curt nbsp; Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 08:11:24 -0400 From: Rolf lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1980 300 diesel wagon To: Mercedes Discussion List lt;mercedes@okiebenz.comgt; Message-ID: lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed They are great cars as long as you don't plan on getting anywhere via the interstate. The non turbos have a lower gearing and less noise dampening. Its quite loud at 65mph and tops out around 90. Beware a faulty SLS system, you can dump some serious money in there. Donald Snook wrote: gt; I found an ad for a 1980 123 wagon.nbsp; The seller listed it as a 300TD.nbsp; But, does a 1980 wagon have a turbo?nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;I thought the early ones were NA.nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;Whether it is NA or turbo, what sort of mileage with these get? gt;nbsp; The price seems too low, so it might be a turd.nbsp; According to the seller it only has 200K miles. gt; gt; Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] not so private RANT about Kaleb
I've got a baseball bat that will fix it Luther On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 09:30:18 -0500, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's in an alternate universe, temporal distortions and tachyon bursts disrupting things, not sure that is fixable. --R Luther wrote: When will you fix your computer time so we can stop reading the replies to your messages BEFORE you send them? I'm sure I speak for everyone on the list. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] not so private RANT about Kaleb
He's in an alternate universe, temporal distortions and tachyon bursts disrupting things, not sure that is fixable. --R Luther wrote: When will you fix your computer time so we can stop reading the replies to your messages BEFORE you send them? I'm sure I speak for everyone on the list. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] not so private RANT about Kaleb
When will you fix your computer time so we can stop reading the replies to your messages BEFORE you send them? I'm sure I speak for everyone on the list. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Annoying Brake Squeal/Service Clowns
Can we predict a new dealer in your future? BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 1:00 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Annoying Brake Squeal/Service Clowns So not only do the brakes still squeal I looked at the detail job they did for me and all over the right front fender there is over spray from what ever product they used on the tires. And the carpets were still damp from shampooing and of course I wasn't thinking so by the time we got home my and my daughters shoes were completely clean on the bottom with the damp carpets acting as the cleaning agent. Now they are ten time more dirty than when I too it in. I am tight. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 1:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Annoying Brake Squeal/Service Clowns On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The trouble now is the girls are falling in love with this mad red C300 loaner. I'd watch your right foot if I were you... the good thing about red cars is that they are chick magnets, the bad thing is that they are cop magnets. Alex Chamberlain no red cars ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 80 123 Wagon
Andrew S. wrote: How much does he want for it? $2500. I had planned to talk him down from that. The prices on these has been crazy high and $2500 seemed low. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] not so private RANT about Kaleb
To be honest, I never noticed the time difference until you mentioned it. It does not affect the sort order in Gmail. -Dave Walton On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When will you fix your computer time so we can stop reading the replies to your messages BEFORE you send them? I'm sure I speak for everyone on the list. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 30 MPG? I already get it
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GM crows about 34mpg in the Aveo which is a tiny crapbox, crazy. Crapbox is right, it's an inferior modern version of the old Chevy Sprint/Suzuki Swift/Geo Metro design, which was actually a pretty good car for its price. The Aveo is built by Daewoo (Daewoo?!?) and looks like they took the Metro and added safety equipment, increased the power output by half, and ended up with something half as good to drive and getting 34 mpg instead of 50. No bargain, says I. I expect to get 30+ mpg average and 35 highway from the Acura RSX I'm thinking of buying, which will be a heck of a lot more fun to drive than an Aveo and safer too. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fwd: Credit card oops....
Need a free credit report/monitor? --- Forwarded message --- From: Al Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: Credit card oops Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 09:06:53 -0500 http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicarticleId=9092238pageNumber=1 -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Annoying Brake Squeal/Service Clowns
20 years ago when I was riding a bike regularly (bicycle, not motorcycle), the solution to squeal was to angle the pads in their carriers so that the leading edge contacted the rim first. I've often wondered why car brakes aren't set up the same way---the caliper could be designed to hold the pad at a slight angle, or maybe the pad itself could be ground at the factory with the face out of parallel with the backing plate. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act
The real anwer is to 1) agree we have a problem, and 2) do the hard work necessary to solve it, which must necessarily include at least some sacrifice for everyone on the planet. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would that were true. The problem I see with this is that it is yet another thing created by lobbyists and those looking to raise taxes with no clear point to it other than to screw the taxpayers, again, in a new way under the scare of global warming or climate change or whatever is the current fad name. (Back in the 70s, the gloom and doom was global cooling, we were all going to freeze and starve in the dark. Big ps by the scientists on that one I guess.) Things like this have no measurable effect on the ostensible goal but do have a way of taking lots money from one pot (that would be yours and mine) with taxes, either direct or indirect, and putting it in another pot (that would be those who feed at the trough) for programs. That is just the way it works, rhetoric and laudable goals are just lipstick on the pig. The real problem is that the developing world all wants to live like those of us in the developed world, and will do whatever they need to get there (e.g., building lots of cheap and dirty CFPPs as fast as they can build them). That is not good, and this legislation will do nothing to affect that. The Indians and Chinese really could not care less what we think about their practices in that regard -- they have their own people to answer to, and carbon emissions are pretty low on their scale of concerns. The real answer is not to tax us to death, it's to spend some money on actually trying to do something to develop practical alternatives, whether conservation, new sources of energy, better technology, or anything else. That gives us something to sell to those who want to be like us, and weans us from the wackos who sell us oil now. It's a lot easier to raise taxes for some dubious purpose though, and seem like they have done something. So far, none of the politicians have stepped up to the real hard problem, and I expect none of them will. More panem et circes for the masses though. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: It's about time they did something useful. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Y'all might want to edumacate yourselves on this thing our Congresscritters are going to do for us. --R http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121244985951839615.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 80 123 Wagon
I am selling a real turbo wagon for that price although it isn't local for you. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew S. wrote: How much does he want for it? $2500. I had planned to talk him down from that. The prices on these has been crazy high and $2500 seemed low. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Annoying Brake Squeal/Service Clowns
That would change the angle of the pad slightly from perpendicular, but any area that contacted first would soon be worn down negating the leading edge contact, right? Might give you a couple days worth of silence - at most. -Dave Walton On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 20 years ago when I was riding a bike regularly (bicycle, not motorcycle), the solution to squeal was to angle the pads in their carriers so that the leading edge contacted the rim first. I've often wondered why car brakes aren't set up the same way---the caliper could be designed to hold the pad at a slight angle, or maybe the pad itself could be ground at the factory with the face out of parallel with the backing plate. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Annoying Brake Squeal/Service Clowns
Alex Chamberlain wrote: 20 years ago when I was riding a bike regularly (bicycle, not motorcycle), the solution to squeal was to angle the pads in their carriers so that the leading edge contacted the rim first. Two things I should add here: The front edge of the pad is actually the trailing edge when the brake is on the top of the disk(rim). The idea there was that the brake arms would twist under braking forces, and you were trying to set the brake so that the pad would be roughly parallel (or still slightly toed in) during braking. I suspect that if taking a grinder to a brake pad will help squeal, you'd want to do it at the leading edge (back if caliper is on top, top if caliper is in front, and bottom if caliper is behind the hub) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 80 123 Wagon
Dang all these turbo wagons for sale and me broke:( Dave H... Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 12:08:53 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 80 123 Wagon I am selling a real turbo wagon for that price although it isn't local for you. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act
andrew strasfogel wrote: The real anwer is to 1) agree we have a problem, and 2) do the hard work necessary to solve it, which must necessarily include at least some sacrifice for everyone on the planet. The trick there is to actually have a solution, not just subject the populace to pain/sacrifice in order to convince them you're doing something and it's for their own good. Example: The Unpatriotic Act. The population discovers that the world is a dangerous place and Big Brother isn't protecting them from it (because he can't). The solution: Infringe their rights and tell them that they will be safe if they let you abuse them some more. Net increase in safety = zero, but the sheep are placated because they can see you did something. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 80 123 Wagon
Donald Snook wrote: Tell me more. What year? Mileage? Condition? Does the a/c work, etc. Where are you located? http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/car/701114420.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] not so private RANT about Kaleb
There is nothing wrong with my computer. Luther wrote: When will you fix your computer time so we can stop reading the replies to your messages BEFORE you send them? I'm sure I speak for everyone on the list. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Annoying Brake Squeal/Service Clowns
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:11 AM, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would change the angle of the pad slightly from perpendicular, but any area that contacted first would soon be worn down negating the leading edge contact, right? Might give you a couple days worth of silence - at most. What if there were a roller bearing between the piston and the backing plate, so that the angle between the pad surface and the disc started out at a few degrees, but approached zero with increasing pressure? Then squeal would be reduced under light breaking, but hard breaking would tend to wear the pads in the way that they had already been ground, rather than undoing the angle effect. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Annoying Brake Squeal/Service Clowns
Won't take long for the pad surface to wear flat to the rotor I don't think you want to re-dress your brake pads every 200 miles. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 10:56 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Annoying Brake Squeal/Service Clowns 20 years ago when I was riding a bike regularly (bicycle, not motorcycle), the solution to squeal was to angle the pads in their carriers so that the leading edge contacted the rim first. I've often wondered why car brakes aren't set up the same way---the caliper could be designed to hold the pad at a slight angle, or maybe the pad itself could be ground at the factory with the face out of parallel with the backing plate. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1480 - Release Date: 6/3/2008 7:00 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1480 - Release Date: 6/3/2008 7:00 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] not so private RANT about Kaleb
I've not noticed but I sort emails by date / time received. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luther Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:22 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] not so private RANT about Kaleb When will you fix your computer time so we can stop reading the replies to your messages BEFORE you send them? I'm sure I speak for everyone on the list. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1480 - Release Date: 6/3/2008 7:00 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1480 - Release Date: 6/3/2008 7:00 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act
Exactly, but the ones wanting to be like us want us to reduce our consumption/standards/lifestyles/whatever so they will have more to get our consumption/standards/lifestyles/whatever. They have been sacrificing (in a manner of speaking I suppose, if not having is the same as giving up but that has more to do with their own political systems and lack of progress) and don't want to be that way any more. None of our politicians will do the hard work, they want to get re-elected. They want quick and easy solutions that sound good while giving them more money to piss away. If I knew that paying another 10% on fuel and whatever was going to save me down the road, I would be first in line, but we all know that just ain't gonna happen. Same as it ever was. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: The real anwer is to 1) agree we have a problem, and 2) do the hard work necessary to solve it, which must necessarily include at least some sacrifice for everyone on the planet. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would that were true. The problem I see with this is that it is yet another thing created by lobbyists and those looking to raise taxes with no clear point to it other than to screw the taxpayers, again, in a new way under the scare of global warming or climate change or whatever is the current fad name. (Back in the 70s, the gloom and doom was global cooling, we were all going to freeze and starve in the dark. Big ps by the scientists on that one I guess.) Things like this have no measurable effect on the ostensible goal but do have a way of taking lots money from one pot (that would be yours and mine) with taxes, either direct or indirect, and putting it in another pot (that would be those who feed at the trough) for programs. That is just the way it works, rhetoric and laudable goals are just lipstick on the pig. The real problem is that the developing world all wants to live like those of us in the developed world, and will do whatever they need to get there (e.g., building lots of cheap and dirty CFPPs as fast as they can build them). That is not good, and this legislation will do nothing to affect that. The Indians and Chinese really could not care less what we think about their practices in that regard -- they have their own people to answer to, and carbon emissions are pretty low on their scale of concerns. The real answer is not to tax us to death, it's to spend some money on actually trying to do something to develop practical alternatives, whether conservation, new sources of energy, better technology, or anything else. That gives us something to sell to those who want to be like us, and weans us from the wackos who sell us oil now. It's a lot easier to raise taxes for some dubious purpose though, and seem like they have done something. So far, none of the politicians have stepped up to the real hard problem, and I expect none of them will. More panem et circes for the masses though. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: It's about time they did something useful. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Y'all might want to edumacate yourselves on this thing our Congresscritters are going to do for us. --R http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121244985951839615.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Annoying Brake Squeal/Service Clowns
The squeal is not caused by the angle. It's caused by the brake pad oscillating as the rotor passes underneath. The squeal you hear is the high pitch oscillation. That's why brakes don't squeal when you apply the brakes at 60 MPH. The answer is to find the right pad material composition and / or rotors and / or compound to put on the back of the pads to quite them down. I mentioned earlier that going back to factory rotors solved my Wife's Volvo 740 brake pad squeal. Maybe Rusty can help with this? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Annoying Brake Squeal/Service Clowns On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:11 AM, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would change the angle of the pad slightly from perpendicular, but any area that contacted first would soon be worn down negating the leading edge contact, right? Might give you a couple days worth of silence - at most. What if there were a roller bearing between the piston and the backing plate, so that the angle between the pad surface and the disc started out at a few degrees, but approached zero with increasing pressure? Then squeal would be reduced under light breaking, but hard breaking would tend to wear the pads in the way that they had already been ground, rather than undoing the angle effect. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1480 - Release Date: 6/3/2008 7:00 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1480 - Release Date: 6/3/2008 7:00 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act
And while we on the topic of gummint, here's what is working its way thru the Senate Foreign Relations Committee (Sen. Biden is Chairman) S. 2433: Global Poverty Act of 2007 (introduced by Sen. Barack Obama in December, 2007) A bill to require the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day. For more info Google S. 2433... In my opinion, it's an attempt to get the world to like us by sharing our wealth. And it is due to be managed by the UN, that does not have a stellar record on financial management nor getting the stuff to the people that need it. . Off the rant box Chuck Phoenix AZ On Jun 3, 2008, at 9:07 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: The real anwer is to 1) agree we have a problem, and 2) do the hard work necessary to solve it, which must necessarily include at least some sacrifice for everyone on the planet. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would that were true. The problem I see with this is that it is yet another thing created by lobbyists and those looking to raise taxes with no clear point to it other than to screw the taxpayers, again, in a new way under the scare of global warming or climate change or whatever is the current fad name. (Back in the 70s, the gloom and doom was global cooling, we were all going to freeze and starve in the dark. Big ps by the scientists on that one I guess.) Things like this have no measurable effect on the ostensible goal but do have a way of taking lots money from one pot (that would be yours and mine) with taxes, either direct or indirect, and putting it in another pot (that would be those who feed at the trough) for programs. That is just the way it works, rhetoric and laudable goals are just lipstick on the pig. The real problem is that the developing world all wants to live like those of us in the developed world, and will do whatever they need to get there (e.g., building lots of cheap and dirty CFPPs as fast as they can build them). That is not good, and this legislation will do nothing to affect that. The Indians and Chinese really could not care less what we think about their practices in that regard -- they have their own people to answer to, and carbon emissions are pretty low on their scale of concerns. The real answer is not to tax us to death, it's to spend some money on actually trying to do something to develop practical alternatives, whether conservation, new sources of energy, better technology, or anything else. That gives us something to sell to those who want to be like us, and weans us from the wackos who sell us oil now. It's a lot easier to raise taxes for some dubious purpose though, and seem like they have done something. So far, none of the politicians have stepped up to the real hard problem, and I expect none of them will. More panem et circes for the masses though. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: It's about time they did something useful. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Y'all might want to edumacate yourselves on this thing our Congresscritters are going to do for us. --R http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121244985951839615.html? mod=opinion_main_commentaries ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change
Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act
Simply a reminder that the truth of your statement 2) do the hard work necessary to solve it, which must necessarily include at least some sacrifice for everyone on the planet. hits folks differently if it means driving your SUV to a closer mall you don't like as much or not quite being able to feed all your children this year. Many of those subsistence level folks would suggest that the problem they have with pollution is that they don't have enough of it [too few jobs]. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act The real anwer is to 1) agree we have a problem, and 2) do the hard work necessary to solve it, which must necessarily include at least some sacrifice for everyone on the planet. To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 80 123 Wagon
Andrew S. wrote: I am selling a real turbo wagon for that price although it isn't local for you. Tell me more. What year? Mileage? Condition? Does the a/c work, etc. Where are you located? Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act
nearly all of the terrorism we will ever encounter in our lives will be at the hands of our own government. and the more you let them get away with, the worse it will get. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: The real anwer is to 1) agree we have a problem, and 2) do the hard work necessary to solve it, which must necessarily include at least some sacrifice for everyone on the planet. The trick there is to actually have a solution, not just subject the populace to pain/sacrifice in order to convince them you're doing something and it's for their own good. Example: The Unpatriotic Act. The population discovers that the world is a dangerous place and Big Brother isn't protecting them from it (because he can't). The solution: Infringe their rights and tell them that they will be safe if they let you abuse them some more. Net increase in safety = zero, but the sheep are placated because they can see you did something. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act
I like what a local resident had to say about Senator Osama: From Rock LaBerge of Clarksville: I, too, have been struck by the similarity between Mr. Obama's campaign, and that of President Kennedy. Both candidates make large promises of a very general nature. Both generate much enthusiasm from very young people who don't really know too much about the real world, and it's quite possible that both will result in the election of a president. http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080602/COLUMNISTS09/806020336/1016/COLUMNISTS09 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Annoying Brake Squeal/Service Clowns
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The squeal is not caused by the angle. It's caused by the brake pad oscillating as the rotor passes underneath. The squeal you hear is the high pitch oscillation. That's why brakes don't squeal when you apply the brakes at 60 MPH. I don't have a squeal problem because when I've bought pads from Rusty, they always come with the little single-use packet of the gray grease to put on the back. FLAPS sells it too for lesser cars in a similar packet at the checkout, but without the M-B star on it. My hypothetical ramblings about maintaining pad angle were just that. :) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act
are you joking? andrew strasfogel wrote: It's about time they did something useful. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Y'all might want to edumacate yourselves on this thing our Congresscritters are going to do for us. --R http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121244985951839615.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 124 evapectomy
'Tried to remove inst cluster this morning with extraction tool on each side. It's VERY stubborn. VERY hard to move it at all at first. 'Comes out about 3/16 to 1/4 and stalls. Speedo cable is free of clip near floor by steering column and seems to have PLENTY of slack. Unable to get hand in behind cluster so far. Gonna try again this afternoon with thin putty knife under/around it, push on speedo cable, more jiggling, etc. Any tips? BTW, 'easily removed clusters from coupla 123's years ago; both slipped right out. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Brake squeal
50 yrs ago, C-124, KC-97, maybe B-29 and others had a VERY loud, screaming brake squeal while taxing. 'Seems to be more acceptable on large aircraft. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1980 300 diesel wagon
My first MB was an 80 diesel wagon. While it was a slug performance-wise, it was an extremely reliable car and cheap/easy to maintain. As for the SLS system, unless it's already boogered up, you should be fine. More likely than not, it probably needs new spheres, which aren't expensive in the long run, considering the difference they make in the suspension. Dan --- Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are great cars as long as you don't plan on getting anywhere via the interstate. The non turbos have a lower gearing and less noise dampening. Its quite loud at 65mph and tops out around 90. Beware a faulty SLS system, you can dump some serious money in there. Donald Snook wrote: I found an ad for a 1980 123 wagon. The seller listed it as a 300TD. But, does a 1980 wagon have a turbo? I thought the early ones were NA. Whether it is NA or turbo, what sort of mileage with these get? The price seems too low, so it might be a turd. According to the seller it only has 200K miles. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act
No, that was not an oops. It was just a less extreme over-reaction about normal climate variation than the current version. IF those who believe in global warming or global freezing are Darwinians, then they are acting and thinking counter to their own manifesto. We are supposed to be able to adapt. You know... survival of the fittest, and all that. If they are of Judeo-Christian faith, then they must believe that God controls our destiny, or at least the climate, or else their thinking and actions are at odds with their faith. Regardless of belief, the records and science shows 30 year heating and cooling cycles related to sun activity. We have been in a cooling cycle for 6-8 years. In another 12 years or so, we will be in a heating cycle. Just take a look at the scale of stuff spewed into the atmosphere by various volcanoes over recorded history. Mt. St. Helens, Penetubo or others. IF a little stuff from our industry can change climate , then these volcanoes should have ended life on earth. Last time I checked, I was still alive! In Iowa we were told that no way any ash from the St Helens volcano would get to us. But, the fallout sounded like rain on the trees. I did not entirely cover the ground, but there was no problem finding plenty of the ash/lava. I stuck some to a piece of 2 packing tape and I still have it. experts often are pushing an agenda. Albore is not even an expert. He is a drip, but not a drip under pressure. Kilauea has been in continuous eruptive phase since 1984. How much SOx and NOx has come from Kilauea alone in the past 24 years? Not to mention particulate. Yet, I loved my years living in Hawaii, and the best of all was my time at Volcano, HI. The most beautiful day in the world I can describe, is simply what I call like a beautiful day in Volcano because there is nothing on the planet better than that. Humans, particularly politicians, place way too much emphasis on their value in proportion to the power of nature or the power of God. It is a matter of magnitude, and we are on a micro scale, while nature/God are on a macro scale. At 11:07 AM 6/3/2008, you wrote: (Back in the 70s, the gloom and doom was global cooling, we were all going to freeze and starve in the dark. Big ps by the scientists on that one I guess.) Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act
The UN DOES have a stellar record of getting the stuff to those who need it. You just have the wrong point of view. The UN point of view is that the people who need the Stuff are the UN Secretary General and his relatives. The UN believes in trickle Down Economics too. Once the Secretary General has all the stuff, some things will trickle down to UN employees and the dictators that put them there. At 12:59 PM 6/3/2008, you wrote: And it is due to be managed by the UN, that does not have a stellar record on financial management nor getting the stuff to the people that need it. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] booting off of a usb flash drive
at the risk of sounding stupid, i don't get how you are supposed to boot off the usb flash drive. i presume you would need to somehow make the usb drive the top priority in the boot order in the bios, but that isn't one of my choices. so how then can i boot off the usb? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act
You paint with a brush that is entirely too large when you attempt to speak for all Christians/Jews on this stuff. I can assure you that you are not describing the beliefs of a lot of self-described Christians or Jews. Think of it like saying Americans believe... Not really a statement that is possibly correct no matter if you just mean those Americans in the USA or include Central / South / all of N. America. Little in Christianity is that cut and dried. All this has nothing to do with your major point, however. Just keeping some of the edges tucked in. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 4:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act No, that was not an oops. It was just a less extreme over-reaction about normal climate variation than the current version. IF those who believe in global warming or global freezing are Darwinians, then they are acting and thinking counter to their own manifesto. We are supposed to be able to adapt. You know... survival of the fittest, and all that. If they are of Judeo-Christian faith, then they must believe that God controls our destiny, or at least the climate, or else their thinking and actions are at odds with their faith. Regardless of belief, the records and science shows 30 year heating and cooling cycles related to sun activity. We have been in a cooling cycle for 6-8 years. In another 12 years or so, we will be in a heating cycle. Just take a look at the scale of stuff spewed into the atmosphere by various volcanoes over recorded history. Mt. St. Helens, Penetubo or others. IF a little stuff from our industry can change climate , then these volcanoes should have ended life on earth. Last time I checked, I was still alive! In Iowa we were told that no way any ash from the St Helens volcano would get to us. But, the fallout sounded like rain on the trees. I did not entirely cover the ground, but there was no problem finding plenty of the ash/lava. I stuck some to a piece of 2 packing tape and I still have it. experts often are pushing an agenda. Albore is not even an expert. He is a drip, but not a drip under pressure. Kilauea has been in continuous eruptive phase since 1984. How much SOx and NOx has come from Kilauea alone in the past 24 years? Not to mention particulate. Yet, I loved my years living in Hawaii, and the best of all was my time at Volcano, HI. The most beautiful day in the world I can describe, is simply what I call like a beautiful day in Volcano because there is nothing on the planet better than that. Humans, particularly politicians, place way too much emphasis on their value in proportion to the power of nature or the power of God. It is a matter of magnitude, and we are on a micro scale, while nature/God are on a macro scale. At 11:07 AM 6/3/2008, you wrote: (Back in the 70s, the gloom and doom was global cooling, we were all going to freeze and starve in the dark. Big ps by the scientists on that one I guess.) Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] booting off of a usb flash drive
Do you have a listing in the bios that says allow boot from other devices?. If not, you're out of luck, I think. Maybe check for an updated bios that has this feature added? Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 evapectomy
There are two little rubber pads on top near the corners that hold it in place. Some leverage with a putty knife downwards at the top outside helps, those pads are getting hard. They are not as easy to get out as the older ones. Don't damage the dash Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Annoying Brake Squeal/Service Clowns
You must also rough up the surface of rotors that are turned rather than ground, else the spiral gets telegraphed to the pad and causes squeal and groans. OEM pads also have a thick layer of hard plastic on the back -- this is to dampen vibration and eliminate squeal. Also, make SURE the slots the pads fit in are perfectly clean and the pad can move in and out freely. If one side of the pad is binding on the caliper, it will allow space between the piston and the backing plate on one side, and it will howl. Peter -Original Message- From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jun 3, 2008 1:36 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Annoying Brake Squeal/Service Clowns The squeal is not caused by the angle. It's caused by the brake pad oscillating as the rotor passes underneath. The squeal you hear is the high pitch oscillation. That's why brakes don't squeal when you apply the brakes at 60 MPH. The answer is to find the right pad material composition and / or rotors and / or compound to put on the back of the pads to quite them down. I mentioned earlier that going back to factory rotors solved my Wife's Volvo 740 brake pad squeal. Maybe Rusty can help with this? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Annoying Brake Squeal/Service Clowns On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:11 AM, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would change the angle of the pad slightly from perpendicular, but any area that contacted first would soon be worn down negating the leading edge contact, right? Might give you a couple days worth of silence - at most. What if there were a roller bearing between the piston and the backing plate, so that the angle between the pad surface and the disc started out at a few degrees, but approached zero with increasing pressure? Then squeal would be reduced under light breaking, but hard breaking would tend to wear the pads in the way that they had already been ground, rather than undoing the angle effect. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1480 - Release Date: 6/3/2008 7:00 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1480 - Release Date: 6/3/2008 7:00 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] not so private RANT about Kaleb
Apple Mail defaults to sorting by time received, and I leave it set that way. I get emails with rather wild time sent data It may not be the sender's computer, either, could easily be something screwy on the mail server. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] German translation: Driveshaft?
I've heard this before and I believe the proper translation for driveshaft is Getriebewelle Harry 69 280 SEL 72 350SL ? 04 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata ? -Original Message- From: Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 3:49 pm Subject: [MBZ] German translation: Driveshaft? Anyone? Trying to locate the proper driveshaft on ebay.de. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] German translation: Driveshaft?
I forgot to mention the word Getrebewelle means transmission shaft? Harry 69 280 SEL 72 350SL ? 04 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata ? -Original Message- From: Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 3:49 pm Subject: [MBZ] German translation: Driveshaft? Anyone? Trying to locate the proper driveshaft on ebay.de. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] booting off of a usb flash drive
hard drive, optical drive, floppy drive and network is it. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have a listing in the bios that says allow boot from other devices?. If not, you're out of luck, I think. Maybe check for an updated bios that has this feature added? Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 evapectomy
Try pushing more from behind? All other gauges have been disconnected? Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] booting off of a usb flash drive
this is the bios BIOS Properties: VendorPhoenix Technologies LTD Version R0110X1 Release Date 05/19/2004 Size 512 KB Boot Devices Floppy Disk, Hard Disk, CD-ROM Capabilities Flash BIOS, Shadow BIOS, Selectable Boot, EDD, BBS, Smart Battery Supported Standards DMI, ACPI, ESCD, PnP Expansion CapabilitiesPCI, AGP, PCMCIA, USB On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have a listing in the bios that says allow boot from other devices?. If not, you're out of luck, I think. Maybe check for an updated bios that has this feature added? Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 evapectomy
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Tried to remove inst cluster this morning with extraction tool on each side. It's VERY stubborn. VERY hard to move it at all at first. 'Comes out about 3/16 to 1/4 and stalls. When I first tried to remove the cluster from my 300D I had exactly the same symptoms. Turned out the upper edge of the cluster was catching on the hidden inner edge of a Coverlay that had been so neatly installed by a previous owner that I had never before noticed it was there. I felt a little dumb then---should have guessed it sooner since it was a SoCal car originally and heavily sun-damaged (so more likely than not the original dash under the Coverlay is cracked like crazy). Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act
Chuck Landenberger wrote: elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day. For more info Google S. 2433... In my opinion, it's an attempt to get the world to like us by sharing our wealth. And it is due to be managed by the UN, that does not have a stellar record on financial management nor getting the stuff to the people that need it. . You could also accomplish a lot of this with birth control (voluntary... not China style). Not all of it can be done that way, but providing free birth control would certainly help. Besides, the only reason 99% of us have the wealth that we do is because we were *lucky* to be born on US soil. If you were born elsewhere and worked twice as hard, you would probably not even have close to the amount of wealth you have here. There are folks who have earned the right to that wealth (ie, the folks who defend our country), but the rest of us (myself included) are just lucky. My $.02 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 124 evapectomy
Radio came out VERY easily with inst cluster extraction tool (coathanger hook). Still no success with inst cluster. 'Used coupla putty knives across bottom and top. 'Gonna try to find narrower and stiffer putty knife to get nearer upper corners along top and pry up/down, etc. It feels like it's hanging up on something along top and/or bottom. Does anything other than the rubber grippers protrude outward beyond the planes of the bottom and top, etc. of the cluster box? Running putty knife under bottom, I hit something with metallic sound in coupla places. NO gages are disconnected - can't get behind it with enough hand to do anything, even with underdash panel removed. Dash is original, NO cracks; looks showroom - always parked in darkened garage 'till I got it 4 yrs ago. Thanks, guys. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] German translation: Driveshaft?
If you still have no luck, email David Bruckmann. He's on this list and speaks German. He'll definitely know what you need to search for. I'm surprised he hasn't responded yet. Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Door handles
Trying to get serious about fixing the stuck door locks on my '83 240D... Tonight I figured I'd pull the door handle clean out, the Haynes book says to pull the 3 screws, push the door handle forward and pull it out. Okay I got the screws, pushed it forward (I presume this means the front of the car but it doesn't specify) and pulled. The handle comes out about 1/4 and stops. Theres a bar in there that runs from the lock to the latch mechanism that doesn't seem to want to come out. HELP! Thanks -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] [Fwd: 30 mpg W-140]
Original Message Subject:30 mpg W-140 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 23:44:29 GMT From: W140 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know any tricks other than carrying 5 lbs more in the tires and that's because of tire wear on the edges, 5 lbs more seen to produce more equal wear for me. I keep the 140 in 3rd gear in town but I don't think that has as much to do with mileage as saving the brakes. I try not to use my brakes. I keep that chunk of metal moving as much as possible. Trying to get 2 1/2 tons of metal moving from a dead stop uses a lot of fuel. I follow about 4-5 seconds behind the car in front so if the mass slows down I have plenty of room to just let off the accelerator rather than applying the break. I can drive from Seattle to Everett and/or Everett to Marysville during the Boeing rush and never hit the brakes once, except for the rare complete stop due to someone upside down because the road is wet. Off the freeway I anticipate the red lights, even a little forward roll helps when the green light comes on. My town mileage is between 26-28 depending on how many time I have to come to a complete stop (which I try NOT to do). REMEMBER, 90% of the time you hit your breaks (except for a complete stop) YOU did something wrong and it costs YOU money. Tailgating eats up fuel. Speed doesn't seem to be a factor in a Diesel. On level ground 45 or 65 seems to produce the same mileage once you get to that speed. Yes, I'm eying an electric car but will keep the 140 until I find one. My driving habits have changed and I rarely get out of town any more. Walt Lasher Seattle W-140 Need name badges? Click here to find great name badge solutions! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2132/fc/Ioyw6iigeUUb5plEJIe55JefuzYmg2YUPIpvUkSnJM9yeNe62uYjLh/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Door handles
you have to turn the key a little to get it to release Curt Raymond wrote: Trying to get serious about fixing the stuck door locks on my '83 240D... Tonight I figured I'd pull the door handle clean out, the Haynes book says to pull the 3 screws, push the door handle forward and pull it out. Okay I got the screws, pushed it forward (I presume this means the front of the car but it doesn't specify) and pulled. The handle comes out about 1/4 and stops. Theres a bar in there that runs from the lock to the latch mechanism that doesn't seem to want to come out. HELP! Thanks -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] booting off of a usb flash drive
UGH a phoenix bios...yech-poo! Is this a Sony Vaio? It loks like they've never offered an update since 2004 so you're stuck. Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] not so private RANT about Kaleb
I think Kaleb is on moderation status and all his emails have to be checked before they are sent through. Hendrik with email at the speed of light Luther wrote: When will you fix your computer time so we can stop reading the replies to your messages BEFORE you send them? I'm sure I speak for everyone on the list. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 124 evapectomy
'May be the rubber gripper pads (2 on bottom, 3 across top) that I hit with putty knife around edges of cluster. I'll confirm positions of the obstructions tomorrow. The rubber may have gotten hard enough to sound metallic when the putty knife hits 'em. 'Wonder if I may have to free them with hammer and stiff, sharp-edged putty knife? 'Just realized steering wheel may restrict use of hammer. 'Course, I'll try prying first. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] booting off of a usb flash drive
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UGH a phoenix bios...yech-poo! I remember when Phoenix was literally the only BIOS for PCs other than the real thing in IBMs. What happened to them? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Door handles
Uh oh Key won't turn more than 1/32 or so on the passenger's side, the drivers is worse. They used to stick when I had the car before and I'd hit 'em with PB Blaster once in awhile when they got bad. Looks like guy who owned it for the last 3 years didn't... I'll keep soaking them and keep trying... -Curt Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:05:31 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Re: [MBZ] Door handles To: Mercedes Discussion List lt;mercedes@okiebenz.comgt; Message-ID: lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed you have to turn the key a little to get it to release Curt Raymond wrote: gt; Trying to get serious about fixing the stuck door locks on my '83 240D... gt; gt; Tonight I figured I'd pull the door handle clean out, the Haynes book says to pull the 3 screws, push the door handle forward and pull it out. gt; Okay I got the screws, pushed it forward (I presume this means the front of the car but it doesn't specify) and pulled. The handle comes out about 1/4 and stops. Theres a bar in there that runs from the lock to the latch mechanism that doesn't seem to want to come out. gt; gt; HELP! gt; gt; Thanks gt; -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] you can easily find numerous (maybe 1000 or so?) such posts on the internet. (more saturn whining)
I know a single mother that that happened to. It really fucked her up financially. I feel for you. Chris On Apr 28, 2008, at 10:52 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: I have a 2001 Saturn http://www.my3cents.com/showReview.cgi?id=12021#Sedan with less than 37,000 miles on it and it just stopped last week, of course 30 miles from home. I was informed that the timing chain broke with repair to be over $2,000.00. The Saturn dealership disowned any problems with the issue. Saying I must not have changed the oil properly. Well, I have a record of oil changeshttp://www.my3cents.com/showReview.cgi?id=12021#and maintenance so that is not the reason. On getting it repaired the new part has been improved from the original and there is now an Oil valve (or something to that effect) that helps lubricate the new timing chain. This diffently tells me something. I am in the process of getting the carhttp://www.my3cents.com/showReview.cgi?id=12021#repaired and plan to pursue this further with Saturn Company. Has any one else had this problem. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Annoying Brake Squeal/Service Clowns
Yes. No doubt. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill R Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:40 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Annoying Brake Squeal/Service Clowns Can we predict a new dealer in your future? BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 1:00 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Annoying Brake Squeal/Service Clowns So not only do the brakes still squeal I looked at the detail job they did for me and all over the right front fender there is over spray from what ever product they used on the tires. And the carpets were still damp from shampooing and of course I wasn't thinking so by the time we got home my and my daughters shoes were completely clean on the bottom with the damp carpets acting as the cleaning agent. Now they are ten time more dirty than when I too it in. I am tight. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 1:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Annoying Brake Squeal/Service Clowns On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The trouble now is the girls are falling in love with this mad red C300 loaner. I'd watch your right foot if I were you... the good thing about red cars is that they are chick magnets, the bad thing is that they are cop magnets. Alex Chamberlain no red cars ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Door handles
It's a rod that goes from the back of the lock tumbler to the door latch mechanism. If you can't turn the key in the lock to disengage this, you've got a problem. The end of this rod is peened flat to make sort of a tab on the end, which indexes in a slot in the latch mechanism. It turns freely to some extent, so you have to be able to turn the lock to get the tab lined up with the slot before you can withdraw the door handle assembly. Dan --- Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trying to get serious about fixing the stuck door locks on my '83 240D... Tonight I figured I'd pull the door handle clean out, the Haynes book says to pull the 3 screws, push the door handle forward and pull it out. Okay I got the screws, pushed it forward (I presume this means the front of the car but it doesn't specify) and pulled. The handle comes out about 1/4 and stops. Theres a bar in there that runs from the lock to the latch mechanism that doesn't seem to want to come out. HELP! Thanks -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] you can easily find numerous (maybe 1000 or so?) such posts on the internet. (more saturn whining)
what bothers me is that they won't just fess up and admit it is their fault. they go through this charade of what? we never heard of that before! you must not change your oil very much! when they know full well exactly what is going on. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Christopher Kueny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know a single mother that that happened to. It really fucked her up financially. I feel for you. Chris On Apr 28, 2008, at 10:52 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: I have a 2001 Saturn http://www.my3cents.com/showReview.cgi?id=12021#Sedan with less than 37,000 miles on it and it just stopped last week, of course 30 miles from home. I was informed that the timing chain broke with repair to be over $2,000.00. The Saturn dealership disowned any problems with the issue. Saying I must not have changed the oil properly. Well, I have a record of oil changeshttp://www.my3cents.com/showReview.cgi?id=12021#and maintenance so that is not the reason. On getting it repaired the new part has been improved from the original and there is now an Oil valve (or something to that effect) that helps lubricate the new timing chain. This diffently tells me something. I am in the process of getting the carhttp://www.my3cents.com/showReview.cgi?id=12021#repaired and plan to pursue this further with Saturn Company. Has any one else had this problem. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] you can easily find numerous (maybe 1000 or so?) suchposts on the internet. (more saturn whining)
That's exactly what MB said when timing chain on my 91 350SDL broke at 89 kmi. Wilton - Original Message - From: Christopher Kueny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] you can easily find numerous (maybe 1000 or so?) suchposts on the internet. (more saturn whining) I know a single mother that that happened to. It really fucked her up financially. I feel for you. Chris On Apr 28, 2008, at 10:52 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: I have a 2001 Saturn http://www.my3cents.com/showReview.cgi?id=12021#Sedan with less than 37,000 miles on it and it just stopped last week, of course 30 miles from home. I was informed that the timing chain broke with repair to be over $2,000.00. The Saturn dealership disowned any problems with the issue. Saying I must not have changed the oil properly. Well, I have a record of oil changeshttp://www.my3cents.com/showReview.cgi?id=12021#and maintenance so that is not the reason. On getting it repaired the new part has been improved from the original and there is now an Oil valve (or something to that effect) that helps lubricate the new timing chain. This diffently tells me something. I am in the process of getting the carhttp://www.my3cents.com/showReview.cgi?id=12021#repaired and plan to pursue this further with Saturn Company. Has any one else had this problem. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] booting off of a usb flash drive
when i first started shopping for a computer in the mid eightees, this kid who was quite the smart told me that if i got something other than an IBM that i needed to make sure it had a phoenix bios. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UGH a phoenix bios...yech-poo! I remember when Phoenix was literally the only BIOS for PCs other than the real thing in IBMs. What happened to them? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] you can easily find numerous (maybe 1000 or so?) suchposts on the internet. (more saturn whining)
were a large number of those breaking as well? On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's exactly what MB said when timing chain on my 91 350SDL broke at 89 kmi. Wilton - Original Message - From: Christopher Kueny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] you can easily find numerous (maybe 1000 or so?) suchposts on the internet. (more saturn whining) I know a single mother that that happened to. It really fucked her up financially. I feel for you. Chris On Apr 28, 2008, at 10:52 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: I have a 2001 Saturn http://www.my3cents.com/showReview.cgi?id=12021#Sedan with less than 37,000 miles on it and it just stopped last week, of course 30 miles from home. I was informed that the timing chain broke with repair to be over $2,000.00. The Saturn dealership disowned any problems with the issue. Saying I must not have changed the oil properly. Well, I have a record of oil changeshttp://www.my3cents.com/showReview.cgi?id=12021#and maintenance so that is not the reason. On getting it repaired the new part has been improved from the original and there is now an Oil valve (or something to that effect) that helps lubricate the new timing chain. This diffently tells me something. I am in the process of getting the carhttp://www.my3cents.com/showReview.cgi?id=12021#repaired and plan to pursue this further with Saturn Company. Has any one else had this problem. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] booting off of a usb flash drive
That might have been true in the mid-80s. They didn't anticipate stuff like booting off of a flash drive back then. What did a pocket calculator cost in the mid-80s? On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: when i first started shopping for a computer in the mid eightees, this kid who was quite the smart told me that if i got something other than an IBM that i needed to make sure it had a phoenix bios. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UGH a phoenix bios...yech-poo! I remember when Phoenix was literally the only BIOS for PCs other than the real thing in IBMs. What happened to them? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 evapectomy
They come out without too much trouble IF you pull on both sides at the same time -- back and forth won't work, the cluster sticks. There are four pads, but they are too far back to reach with a putty knife. Hook the cluster just below the corner where the slope starts on each side, and pull STRAIGHT out, not up or down. Should come free enough to let you grab the side and pull harder. Coat hanger wire isn't tough enough, really, you need something larger and stiffer. Bend a right angle a couple mm long, then hammer partially flat so that it's thinner than the wire by a goodly amount. You can then slip it between the dash and cluster without denting the dash cover, turn toward the cluster, and hook firmly. Coat hanger wire will just straighten out at the force required to get the cluster out, they are rather tight. The MB tools pull it right out. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] German translation: Driveshaft?
I found a gentlemen in need of the SD om617 engine mounts. He is on the hunt for what I need. -Rolf Jeff Zedic wrote: If you still have no luck, email David Bruckmann. He's on this list and speaks German. He'll definitely know what you need to search for. I'm surprised he hasn't responded yet. Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] booting off of a usb flash drive
by the mid eightees, you could find them for a few dollars. first one i ever saw was in the mid seventies that didn't do much and cost several hundred dollars. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That might have been true in the mid-80s. They didn't anticipate stuff like booting off of a flash drive back then. What did a pocket calculator cost in the mid-80s? On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: when i first started shopping for a computer in the mid eightees, this kid who was quite the smart told me that if i got something other than an IBM that i needed to make sure it had a phoenix bios. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UGH a phoenix bios...yech-poo! I remember when Phoenix was literally the only BIOS for PCs other than the real thing in IBMs. What happened to them? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] An older brochure on diesel
On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 07:55:41 -0400 Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm convinced that the main reason diesel costs more now is hydrocracking. You can crack down the heavier molecules into gasoline and diesel. If you choose gasoline, you get more gallons than if you choose diesel. That's what I've heard as justification for the cost differential, but as shown in my first email, Gasoline at $3.46/gallon Crude 73% =$ 2.5258 Diesel at 4.08/gallon Crude 61% =$ 2.4888 diesel uses LESS crude. From now on, we'll be paying for fuel by the pound or by the BTU. 6 cents difference if FET is not the reason why regular is 3.99 while #2 is 4.89. (the heat content and taxes together can't fully explain it, so I expect diesel and gasoline to close the gap somewhat) Hard to say what's going to happen ... (or as someone else said, It's hard to make predictions, especially about the future.) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: 30 mpg W-140]
I can drive from Seattle to Everett and/or Everett to Marysville during the Boeing rush and never hit the brakes once, except... As a student I used to try to see if I could make it home from Pullman to north of Portland without using the brakes once. Around 400 miles. Managed to do it a time or two. The real trick was timing the (few) lights. The rest was easy with a stick shift. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brake squeal
... and others had a VERY loud, screaming brake squeal while taxing. If the Dems get in, expect some more very loud, broke, squealing while taxing! :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] booting off of a usb flash drive
'Bout $10 I started college with a slipstick. It cost me $21, a small fortune then, but I figured on using it for years. For reference, the university cost me $200 a quarter for fees and I lived on $10 a week, including housing, food and transportation. And Diesel Fuel was $.27.9 most places. Then the next year calculators came out. I could not afford the $300 calculator, Remember that was as much as half a year's fees. So I transferred to the ag college. Before I graduated, I was able to buy a TI30 for $16, and it did everything the $300 calculators of a few years earlier did. The OLD, thick TI 30 of 1978 ran off a 9volt battery, not the hugely expensive and failure prone NiCads. I used it for years and years, before it died. I could often save a little here and there and save up $10 every month or two. That would buy me a weekend trip. It was enough money to fill the 190Dc once or twice (300 to 600 miles) and have some money left for food. We'd camp out or stay at somebody's house. Like Simon Estes, I never forgot where I came from. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Estes No, I am not an opera fan, but I do appreciate Simon Estes voice. It is magnificent. He sang for my daughter's 4-H group and it was fantastic. Wassa matter with phoenix bios? I have worked with about all of em over the years. each is a little different, but they all have improved. Kinda sounds to me like the comparison typically used to disparage Macs. My new winders box is way better than my Mac Not disclosing that the Mac was 10 years old! Put a 10 yr old wintel box against a new Mac and tell me which is better. At least now the wintel boxes have improved to where a 10 year old one might actually RUN! My old AMD K6-350 is still running! I have barely every even turned on the monitor since I loaded Server 2003 on it. It is now 9 yrs old. I even set it for automatic updates several years ago. It is amazing that the M$ patches have not messed it up yet. I think Server 2003 has reached a novell-like reliability for some applications. I have had my share of trouble with it in other applications. At 09:21 PM 6/3/2008, you wrote: That might have been true in the mid-80s. They didn't anticipate stuff like booting off of a flash drive back then. What did a pocket calculator cost in the mid-80s? On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: when i first started shopping for a computer in the mid eightees, this kid who was quite the smart told me that if i got something other than an IBM that i needed to make sure it had a phoenix bios. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UGH a phoenix bios...yech-poo! I remember when Phoenix was literally the only BIOS for PCs other than the real thing in IBMs. What happened to them? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 12:07:57 -0400 andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The real anwer is to 1) agree we have a problem, Yes, and that is a whole bunch of half-cocked, scientifically ignorant publicizers trying to get rich off the anxieties of others, and 2) do the hard work necessary to solve it, which must necessarily include at least some sacrifice for everyone on the planet Particularly for the Al Gore types who have fleeced their pockets at the expense of the little guys. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] booting off of a usb flash drive
Where the hell were you going to school, Liberia? Panama? Argentina? For reference, the university cost me $200 a quarter for fees and I lived on $10 a week, including housing, food and transportation. And Diesel Fuel was $.27.9 most places. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 evapectomy
'Been pulling and jiggling VERY hard on BOTH sides at same time 'bout 1/2 down from upper, side corners with vise grips attached to the pullers - pulling with both arms - one on each side with feet firmly braced; arms pulling, legs pushing. Also, one side at a time occasionally. I'm far from any weight lifter-type strong man, but I've put a helluva lota force on it - parallel with appropriate line of travel. MB CD shows 3 pads on top and 2 on bottom; I'll find whatever's there and their exact locations with probes tomorrow. I'm trying to be careful not to damage dash, of course. BTW, putty knife goes all the way through and out the back in the free areas. Thanks, Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 evapectomy They come out without too much trouble IF you pull on both sides at the same time -- back and forth won't work, the cluster sticks. There are four pads, but they are too far back to reach with a putty knife. Hook the cluster just below the corner where the slope starts on each side, and pull STRAIGHT out, not up or down. Should come free enough to let you grab the side and pull harder. Coat hanger wire isn't tough enough, really, you need something larger and stiffer. Bend a right angle a couple mm long, then hammer partially flat so that it's thinner than the wire by a goodly amount. You can then slip it between the dash and cluster without denting the dash cover, turn toward the cluster, and hook firmly. Coat hanger wire will just straighten out at the force required to get the cluster out, they are rather tight. The MB tools pull it right out. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brake squeal
Yea, I meant TAXIING, of course. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake squeal ... and others had a VERY loud, screaming brake squeal while taxing. If the Dems get in, expect some more very loud, broke, squealing while taxing! :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] not so private RANT about Kaleb
don't ASSuME you speak for me (or for that matter, for anyone else). wazza big deal? sort by subject. who cares what time anything says it came in... don't you read everything in a subject thread before you reply anyway? cheers/73! e n6zes Luther wrote: When will you fix your computer time so we can stop reading the replies to your messages BEFORE you send them? I'm sure I speak for everyone on the list. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
