Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb

[Robert Rentfro]

Looks like Kaleb took care of it for me. That's service plus!

Bob R
Off to Illinois in about 6 hours.

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Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> Its automated, I dont have a thing to do with it.

Does Bob still have his monthly reminder email in his trash folder?

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Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb

[Robert Rentfro]

No bob doesn't...
No worries. I'll manage

BobR

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Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> Its automated, I dont have a thing to do with it.

Does Bob still have his monthly reminder email in his trash folder?

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Re: [MBZ] i actually talk car stuff! (shocking, i know)`

[Archer]

> Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> All I know is that Marshall recommended Mobil 1 ATF ...
>
> Did he?  I recall him being somewhat hesitant to fully endorse it,
> since MB had not (maybe they now do?).  Or maybe he just did not
> endorse an extended change interval.  I can't remember.
> Allan
> 1983 300D

Marshall said the transmission in my '83 300D would soon have to be replaced 
after I told him what it was doing.  He said Mobil 1 ATF "might" help it but 
he doubted it.  That was in 2000.  I put Mobil 1 ATF it it then and have 
driven it 95,000 miles since.  It seems to gradually get better all the 
time.
Either then or later Marshall routinely used it in his cars and recommended 
it to everyone IIRC.
Gerry Archer
'83 300D and 240D


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Re: [MBZ] 87 MBZ 420 SEL Maintenance Manual

[Rick Knoble]

> Just bought an 87 MBZ 420 SEL. Could anyone recommend some good maintenance
> manuals and where to get them? Thanks,
> Ken


http://www.classictechlit.mbusa.com/MB/default.asp?catalog%5Fname=Retail

I did not see the Service CD's listed on the site. Your best bet would be to 
call MBUSA Classic Center @ 1-866-MBCLASSIC (622-5277). I bought my W123 
manuals online, however I had to call for my W201 manual.

Caveats,
YMMV
My 2¢

Rick Knoble 
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT

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Re: [MBZ] i actually talk car stuff! (shocking, i know)`

[Steve MacSween]

on 7/7/08 23:35, Allan Streib at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
>> All I know is that Marshall recommended Mobil 1 ATF ...
> 
> Did he?  I recall him being somewhat hesitant to fully endorse it,
> since MB had not (maybe they now do?).  Or maybe he just did not
> endorse an extended change interval.  I can't remember.

Marshall endorsed all Mobil 1 products AFAIR, however if he was hesitant to
endorse the ATF on occasion it was probably because some people promoted M1
ATF as a miracle cure-all (many inquiries about it come from people with
tranny performance problems and M1 is a help, not a fix).

Also I have seen some discussion about higher-mileage transmissions
developing loud clunks/clanks on downshift, after being switched to M1. I
had that experience, and it was disturbingly LOUD (on 3-2). I recently
switched back to regular Dex III after having the kickdown cable replaced,
and the clanks quieted down in about three months.

Mac


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Re: [MBZ] 1978 300D

[Steve MacSween]

on 7/7/08 12:23, Donald Snook at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Is the mileage a little worse on the non-turbo since you have to have your
> foot in it all the time?  Should I expect 24-26 on the highway? (that is what
> I got in my 123's).  Any other information would be great.

If you were used to the turbo assist for highway merging and passing you
will have to lower your expectations in that department.

That old climate control system really has nothing going for it. Both the
servo and the pushbutton panel are substandard pieces of work and while you
can pick up the pushbutton panels pretty cheap used, the servo is another
story

Mac


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Re: [MBZ] i actually talk car stuff! (shocking, i know)`

[Allan Streib]

Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> All I know is that Marshall recommended Mobil 1 ATF ...

Did he?  I recall him being somewhat hesitant to fully endorse it,
since MB had not (maybe they now do?).  Or maybe he just did not
endorse an extended change interval.  I can't remember.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] i actually talk car stuff! (shocking, i know)`

[Gary Hurst]

and when  your front seal leaks?

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:45:06 -0400 "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > yeah, dexron whatever they are up to that you can buy cheap by the case
> > at the auto parts store.  3, 4, i don't know.
>
> All I know is that Marshall recommended Mobil 1 ATF ...
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] i actually talk car stuff! (shocking, i know)`

[Craig McCluskey]

On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:45:06 -0400 "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> yeah, dexron whatever they are up to that you can buy cheap by the case
> at the auto parts store.  3, 4, i don't know.

All I know is that Marshall recommended Mobil 1 ATF ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] why do all ebay and craigslist MB's get 45 mpg?

[Wilton Strickland]

$100 a can!!!???  I may need to start selling Freon!

Wilton

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Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:17 PM
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> Run away...  The MPG is clearly a lie, and why would you go through
> the effort to replace the AC compressor and then not charge it.  The
> AC doesn't work, or won't hold a charge, is why.
> 
> 
> "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > 45 MPG 1979 300D Mercedes - $3000 (Keller)
> > Reply to: see below
> > Date: 2008-07-07, 5:34PM CDT
> >
> >
> > Yes, it gets great gas mileage! I just put in a new A/C compressor but 
> > have not charged it up as yet so I'll include 7 cans of R12 (that's 
> > about $100 a can now). It has approximately 200K miles and still runs 
> > great! The only reason I'm selling? Wife says we have too many cars, 
> > this is our 3rd car I love tinkering with. Call me if interested 
> > 682-561-9562 Tim CASH ONLY
> 
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Re: [MBZ] why do all ebay and craigslist MB's get 45 mpg?

[Tom Hargrave]

Their owners only drive them down hill?

Thanks, Tom
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Subject: [MBZ] why do all ebay and craigslist MB's get 45 mpg?

45 MPG 1979 300D Mercedes - $3000 (Keller)
Reply to: see below
Date: 2008-07-07, 5:34PM CDT


Yes, it gets great gas mileage! I just put in a new A/C compressor but 
have not charged it up as yet so I'll include 7 cans of R12 (that's 
about $100 a can now). It has approximately 200K miles and still runs 
great! The only reason I'm selling? Wife says we have too many cars, 
this is our 3rd car I love tinkering with. Call me if interested 
682-561-9562 Tim CASH ONLY
-- 
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
  94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL,
  89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] why do all ebay and craigslist MB's get 45 mpg?

[Tom Hargrave]

I've had two VW beetles, one with a 1500 & one with a 1600 engine. Both got
25 MPG with mixed driving.

A Mercedes diesel that literally weighs twice as much is doing good to get
about the same!

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] why do all ebay and craigslist MB's get 45 mpg?

on 7/7/08 20:59, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 45 MPG 1979 300D Mercedes - $3000 (Keller)
> Reply to: see below
> Date: 2008-07-07, 5:34PM CDT

The two times I have had MBz diesels for sale (one 300sd, one 240d), both
times about fifty percent of people who inquire are horrified when they hear
the cars are 'only' good for under 30 mpg.

"But VWs get way better than that!"

The concept that a Benz is slightly larger and heavier than a VW does not
seem to penetrate the grey matter at all.

mac


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Re: [MBZ] why do all ebay and craigslist MB's get 45 mpg?

[Wilton Strickland]

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From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] why do all ebay and craigslist MB's get 45 mpg?


> Run away...  The MPG is clearly a lie, and why would you go through
> the effort to replace the AC compressor and then not charge it.  The
> AC doesn't work, or won't hold a charge, is why.
> 
> 
> "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > 45 MPG 1979 300D Mercedes - $3000 (Keller)
> > Reply to: see below
> > Date: 2008-07-07, 5:34PM CDT
> >
> >
> > Yes, it gets great gas mileage! I just put in a new A/C compressor but 
> > have not charged it up as yet so I'll include 7 cans of R12 (that's 
> > about $100 a can now). It has approximately 200K miles and still runs 
> > great! The only reason I'm selling? Wife says we have too many cars, 
> > this is our 3rd car I love tinkering with. Call me if interested 
> > 682-561-9562 Tim CASH ONLY
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] why do all ebay and craigslist MB's get 45 mpg?

[Allan Streib]

Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> The two times I have had MBz diesels for sale (one 300sd, one 240d),
> both times about fifty percent of people who inquire are horrified
> when they hear the cars are 'only' good for under 30 mpg.
>
> "But VWs get way better than that!"
>
> The concept that a Benz is slightly larger and heavier than a VW
> does not seem to penetrate the grey matter at all.

Yeah I get the same reaction when I tell people that I get around 25
MPG, maybe a little better on the highway.

Sorry a 1.8 liter VW diesel is not the same as a 3 liter Mercedes
diesel in a car that probably has twice as much steel in the chassis.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb

[Tom Hargrave]

I owned one and want another. To me it's the ultimate 114 / 115 body
Mercedes.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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> I will keep my eye peeled for the elusive '72 200D I need.

Elusive indeed.  I have one, and I know there are a
very few out there.

-- Jim


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[MBZ] FW: Today's Diesel Prices

[Tom Hargrave]

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   On-Highway Diesel Prices, by Week and PADD
(Self Service Cash Price in Dollars per Gallon, Including Taxes)

Diesel Prices Web URL:
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/wohdp/diesel.asp

   Average All Types

US
NATL   EASTNEWCENTLOWER   GULF   ROCKY   WEST
 DATE   AVGCOAST ENGLAND   ATL ATL   MIDWEST  COAST   MTN   COAST
CA

   PADD   PADDPADDPADDPADDPADD   PADDPADD
 I IA  IB  IC  II III IV  V
--  -  - ---  -   -  ---  -  -  -
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080707  4.727  4.789  4.863   4.887   4.741   4.654   4.697  4.672  4.886
5.001
080630  4.645  4.704  4.822   4.822   4.643   4.571   4.604  4.638  4.817
4.928
080623  4.648  4.711  4.833   4.831   4.648   4.574   4.602  4.652  4.816
4.922
080616  4.692  4.752  4.853   4.874   4.690   4.618   4.656  4.685  4.852
4.969
080609  4.692  4.743  4.834   4.879   4.677   4.615   4.658  4.698  4.874
4.992
080602  4.707  4.759  4.846   4.907   4.687   4.643   4.664  4.680  4.878
5.027
080526  4.723  4.779  4.843   4.913   4.717   4.667   4.673  4.653  4.883
5.027
080519  4.497  4.544  4.610   4.682   4.480   4.463   4.443  4.442  4.610
4.737
080512  4.331  4.377  4.463   4.516   4.310   4.298   4.268  4.276  4.454
4.547
080505  4.149  4.194  4.337   4.345   4.117   4.101   4.084  4.156  4.303
4.382
080428  4.177  4.230  4.346   4.376   4.157   4.133   4.113  4.141  4.312
4.390
080421  4.143  4.207  4.346   4.370   4.126   4.098   4.077  4.111  4.255
4.317
080414  4.059  4.117  4.239   4.266   4.043   4.013   4.000  4.039  4.176
4.234
080407  3.955  4.005  4.121   4.142   3.936   3.917   3.894  3.974  4.052
4.118
080331  3.964  4.014  4.130   4.160   3.941   3.929   3.907  3.972  4.049
4.112
080324  3.989  4.045  4.142   4.186   3.975   3.964   3.928  3.953  4.056
4.119
080317  3.974  4.035  4.119   4.177   3.967   3.958   3.914  3.892  4.018
4.083
080310  3.819  3.870  3.938   3.989   3.814   3.784   3.798  3.732  3.885
3.955
080303  3.658  3.700  3.813   3.825   3.636   3.639   3.609  3.573  3.736
3.803
080225  3.552  3.608  3.710   3.693   3.562   3.525   3.510  3.473  3.609
3.672
080218  3.396  3.444  3.588   3.526   3.396   3.365   3.367  3.350  3.454
3.511
080211  3.280  3.324  3.542   3.412   3.266   3.249   3.239  3.264  3.347
3.393
080204  3.280  3.338  3.566   3.438   3.275   3.243   3.247  3.260  3.325
3.377
080128  3.259  3.327  3.583   3.432   3.258   3.218   3.218  3.236  3.301
3.346
080121  3.270  3.343  3.594   3.472   3.264   3.228   3.222  3.229  3.327
3.360
080114  3.326  3.391  3.621   3.510   3.318   3.288   3.266  3.261  3.420
3.459
080107  3.376  3.436  3.644   3.554   3.366   3.345   3.318  3.276  3.474
3.526
071231  3.345  3.399  3.600   3.519   3.328   3.309   3.293  3.269  3.451
3.491
071224  3.308  3.356  3.584   3.497   3.275   3.277   3.246  3.268  3.411
3.434
071217  3.309  3.359  3.581   3.511   3.273   3.271   3.245  3.319  3.415
3.426
071210  3.325  3.372  3.570   3.514   3.293   3.276   3.265  3.397  3.440
3.455
071203  3.416  3.444  3.595   3.570   3.376   3.385   3.345  3.487  3.532
3.567
071126  3.444  3.453  3.590   3.574   3.389   3.423   3.360  3.527  3.587
3.620
071119  3.410  3.407  3.488   3.524   3.350   3.389   3.324  3.507  3.586
3.624
071112  3.425  3.415  3.484   3.523   3.362   3.403   3.347  3.532  3.608
3.663
071105  3.303  3.290  3.375   3.381   3.244   3.278   3.219  3.411  3.508
3.524
071029  3.157  3.148  3.250   3.251   3.095   3.122   3.062  3.281  3.394
3.406
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3.338
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3.249
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3.197
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3.143
070924  3.032  3.037  3.100   3.124   2.993   3.054   2.971  3.028  3.054

Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb

[Jim Cathey]

> The '83 300SD doesn't get driven at all, so I'm thinking of selling
> it.  Yes, Jim C, that's right!

Of course you are!  Just stop churning the collection on the
high end and you'll be fine.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb

[Jim Cathey]

> I will keep my eye peeled for the elusive '72 200D I need.

Elusive indeed.  I have one, and I know there are a
very few out there.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 1978 300D

[Jim Cathey]

> Both were turbo.  Anything special I should look for on this one?

A turbo!  That would be tres special.  Seriously?  If it has the
infamous Evil Chrysler ACC from Hell I'd think twice (or ten times)
about it.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 300SD Vac Pump Rebuild does not suck

[Jim Cathey]

> Oh, one other thing, I am wondering if the cam thingie on the engine is
> actually turning and driving the pump.

If the engine is running, that thing has to be turning.
You can discern how the check valves are supposed to be
in just by thinking about how the pump has to work.
And you can test it by stepping on it with the roller
against a board.  Mine 'honked' as the vacuum check valves
did their thing.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] why do all ebay and craigslist MB's get 45 mpg?

[Steve MacSween]

on 7/7/08 20:59, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 45 MPG 1979 300D Mercedes - $3000 (Keller)
> Reply to: see below
> Date: 2008-07-07, 5:34PM CDT

The two times I have had MBz diesels for sale (one 300sd, one 240d), both
times about fifty percent of people who inquire are horrified when they hear
the cars are 'only' good for under 30 mpg.

"But VWs get way better than that!"

The concept that a Benz is slightly larger and heavier than a VW does not
seem to penetrate the grey matter at all.

mac


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Re: [MBZ] why do all ebay and craigslist MB's get 45 mpg?

[Allan Streib]

Run away...  The MPG is clearly a lie, and why would you go through
the effort to replace the AC compressor and then not charge it.  The
AC doesn't work, or won't hold a charge, is why.


"Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> 45 MPG 1979 300D Mercedes - $3000 (Keller)
> Reply to: see below
> Date: 2008-07-07, 5:34PM CDT
>
>
> Yes, it gets great gas mileage! I just put in a new A/C compressor but 
> have not charged it up as yet so I'll include 7 cans of R12 (that's 
> about $100 a can now). It has approximately 200K miles and still runs 
> great! The only reason I'm selling? Wife says we have too many cars, 
> this is our 3rd car I love tinkering with. Call me if interested 
> 682-561-9562 Tim CASH ONLY


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Re: [MBZ] 300SD Vac Pump Rebuild does not suck

[Allan Streib]

If yours is like mine, one of the three check valves (the one by
itself) is inverted compared to the other two.  You'll notice that the
pump cover has a recess over that valve to accomodate it being "upside
down" compared to the others.

I made exactly the same mistake assembling mine.  I put all three
valves in the same way.  I should have, but did not, notice which way
they were oriented when I took the pump apart.  But on my first
attempt, I put it all back together, and NO vacuum.  I was able to
remove the cover and flip that one valve over without entirely
removing the pump, though getting the convoluted "o-ring" that seals
the cover back in place with the pump body on the car was a bit
touchy.  I had perfect vacuum after that.

Allan
--
1983 300D


Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Vac pump on the 84 300SD was not sucking, so the boy and I rebuilt it 
> this afternoon/evening.  Fired the car up and NO VACUUM!  Well, only 
> about 4psi on the MityVac gauge.  Not sure what the problem is now.  
> Looked like one of the check valves in the pump was munched, we replaced 
> everything in the kit -- piston ring, 3 check valves/seals, rubber "O 
> ring" (it really isn't an "O" but looks like one with a bunch of other 
> features).  All went back together well.  I do not have the repair 
> manual on this computer, I wonder if I got a check valve in backwards?  
> The old ones all appeared to be oriented all the same way, we put the 
> new ones in all the same way.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> --R
>
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Re: [MBZ] MBZ Spring Identification

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

The first number is for rear springs for a 129 chassis SL, the 2nd 
number is for the front springs for the same model.  In other words, 
will not fit your 124

Ken Rushing wrote:
> I'm getting some rear springs for my 87 MBZ 300D turbo and someone has
> offered to sell some to me off a 300E. I'm not sure which is front or back
> but here are the numbers and color code. First is the three pointed MB star,
> then, 1293240604, then a little anchor symbol (?), then 4106.  Blue dot, red
> dot, red dot, red dot, the a long blue dash on the next rung. The other set
> has the star, 1293210804 (anchor) 1204.  Grn dot grn dot red dot red dot and
> a long blue dash. Can anyone interpret this? Thanks,
> Ken
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  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] 300SD Vac Pump Rebuild does not suck

[Rich Thomas]

Oh, one other thing, I am wondering if the cam thingie on the engine is 
actually turning and driving the pump.  I would guess it is if it is 
developing a bit of vac, the cam thingie looks to be driven off the 
timing chain or crankshaft somehow?  Not sure what could break there 
that would not be catastrophic.

--R

Rich Thomas wrote:
> Vac pump on the 84 300SD was not sucking, so the boy and I rebuilt it 
> this afternoon/evening.  Fired the car up and NO VACUUM!  Well, only 
> about 4psi on the MityVac gauge.  Not sure what the problem is now.  
> Looked like one of the check valves in the pump was munched, we replaced 
> everything in the kit -- piston ring, 3 check valves/seals, rubber "O 
> ring" (it really isn't an "O" but looks like one with a bunch of other 
> features).  All went back together well.  I do not have the repair 
> manual on this computer, I wonder if I got a check valve in backwards?  
> The old ones all appeared to be oriented all the same way, we put the 
> new ones in all the same way.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> --R
>
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[MBZ] MBZ Spring Identification

[Ken Rushing]

I'm getting some rear springs for my 87 MBZ 300D turbo and someone has
offered to sell some to me off a 300E. I'm not sure which is front or back
but here are the numbers and color code. First is the three pointed MB star,
then, 1293240604, then a little anchor symbol (?), then 4106.  Blue dot, red
dot, red dot, red dot, the a long blue dash on the next rung. The other set
has the star, 1293210804 (anchor) 1204.  Grn dot grn dot red dot red dot and
a long blue dash. Can anyone interpret this? Thanks,
Ken
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[MBZ] 87 MBZ 420 SEL Maintenance Manual

[Ken Rushing]

Just bought an 87 MBZ 420 SEL. Could anyone recommend some good maintenance
manuals and where to get them? Thanks,
Ken
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[MBZ] why do all ebay and craigslist MB's get 45 mpg?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

45 MPG 1979 300D Mercedes - $3000 (Keller)
Reply to: see below
Date: 2008-07-07, 5:34PM CDT


Yes, it gets great gas mileage! I just put in a new A/C compressor but 
have not charged it up as yet so I'll include 7 cans of R12 (that's 
about $100 a can now). It has approximately 200K miles and still runs 
great! The only reason I'm selling? Wife says we have too many cars, 
this is our 3rd car I love tinkering with. Call me if interested 
682-561-9562 Tim CASH ONLY
-- 
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  94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL,
  89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
http://www.okiebenz.com

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[MBZ] 300SD Vac Pump Rebuild does not suck

[Rich Thomas]

Vac pump on the 84 300SD was not sucking, so the boy and I rebuilt it 
this afternoon/evening.  Fired the car up and NO VACUUM!  Well, only 
about 4psi on the MityVac gauge.  Not sure what the problem is now.  
Looked like one of the check valves in the pump was munched, we replaced 
everything in the kit -- piston ring, 3 check valves/seals, rubber "O 
ring" (it really isn't an "O" but looks like one with a bunch of other 
features).  All went back together well.  I do not have the repair 
manual on this computer, I wonder if I got a check valve in backwards?  
The old ones all appeared to be oriented all the same way, we put the 
new ones in all the same way.

Any ideas?

--R

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Re: [MBZ] OT biofuels impact on food prices much higher than previously reported.

[Curt Raymond]

Biofuels didn't create a food crisis. Abnormally low food prices created an 
underclass of people who could only barely survive at those insanely low 
prices. The price of corn hadn't risen squat in 50 years.
Now demand for biofuels has made food prices rise to somewhere near (but 
probably still below) what they should be so that underclass can't afford to 
exist.

Biofuels didn't create the problem, decades of stupid agriculture did. Biofuels 
may have aggrevated the issue or brought it up sooner rather than later but 
we'd have gotten here no matter what...

I'll know theres a real fuel crisis when somebody asks to rent my fields. Half 
of northern Maine is fallow, New Brunswick is the same way. In Massachusetts 
farmland is converted to houses. Does it make more sense to burn our food or 
live ontop of it?

-Curt

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 17:15:58 -0400
From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [MBZ] OT biofuels impact on food prices much higher than
    previously    reported.
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

claims that biofuel initiatives have forced world food prices up by 75%.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jul/03/biofuels.renewableenergy

I think this is pretty much common sense and shows the foolishness of
using food crops as a fuel source.

Allan
--
1983 300D


  
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Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I changed bob to digest for him

Mitch Haley wrote:
> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>> Its automated, I dont have a thing to do with it.
> 
> Does Bob still have his monthly reminder email in his trash folder?
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  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb

[Mitch Haley]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> Its automated, I dont have a thing to do with it.

Does Bob still have his monthly reminder email in his trash folder?

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Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Its automated, I dont have a thing to do with it.

Robert Rentfro wrote:
> I did...you haven't sent it to me yet.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 4:24 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb
> 
> go to the list page and click the button to have it emailed to you
> 
> Robert Rentfro wrote:
>> I want to switch to digest mode while I'm gone but I forgot my password.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 3:53 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb
>>
>> FYI, if you dont want to switch to digest mode, all you have to do is 
>> switch delivery to off rather than unsubscribe.
>>
>> Robert Rentfro wrote:
>>> I should have said '72 220D
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro
>>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 11:56 AM
>>> To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb
>>>
>>> A...digest mode. I almost forgot.
>>> We're going to East Peoria for my 30th HS Class Reunion.
>>> We will visit a few relatives, spend a little money on the gambling boat,
>>> eat Steak-n-Shake daily, and I will keep my eye peeled for the elusive
> '72
>>> 200D I need.
>>>
>>> Bob R.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> On Behalf Of John Robbins
>>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:52 AM
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb
>>>
>>> Robert Rentfro wrote:
 Do Outlook mailboxes have a limit on how much unread mail can sit in
>> them?
>>> Outlook isn't the limiting factor... it is your ISP.  Usually they have 
>>> a couple of megabytes as the limit, which should be plenty of room for 
>>> all of the text based messages on this list.
>>>
 While gone I do plan to check my email through my provider. If I delete
 unwanted stuff when checking through my provider (Cox cable) those
> things
 will stay on my home machine, right?
>>> When you use webmail to check your email does it already have everything 
>>> that is on your computer or is it just the new emails you've received? 
>>> If it mirrors your inbox, deleting in webmail will delete in your inbox. 
>>>If it is just new email, deleting in webmail will prevent it from 
>>> being downloaded to you computer.
>>>
>>> Worst case is you can always go to digest while on your vacation.  What 
>>> part of Illinois are you going to?
>>>
>>> HTH!
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
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  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb

[Robert Rentfro]

I did...you haven't sent it to me yet.

-Original Message-
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go to the list page and click the button to have it emailed to you

Robert Rentfro wrote:
> I want to switch to digest mode while I'm gone but I forgot my password.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 3:53 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb
> 
> FYI, if you dont want to switch to digest mode, all you have to do is 
> switch delivery to off rather than unsubscribe.
> 
> Robert Rentfro wrote:
>> I should have said '72 220D
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro
>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 11:56 AM
>> To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb
>>
>> A...digest mode. I almost forgot.
>> We're going to East Peoria for my 30th HS Class Reunion.
>> We will visit a few relatives, spend a little money on the gambling boat,
>> eat Steak-n-Shake daily, and I will keep my eye peeled for the elusive
'72
>> 200D I need.
>>
>> Bob R.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Behalf Of John Robbins
>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:52 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb
>>
>> Robert Rentfro wrote:
>>> Do Outlook mailboxes have a limit on how much unread mail can sit in
> them?
>>
>> Outlook isn't the limiting factor... it is your ISP.  Usually they have 
>> a couple of megabytes as the limit, which should be plenty of room for 
>> all of the text based messages on this list.
>>
>>> While gone I do plan to check my email through my provider. If I delete
>>> unwanted stuff when checking through my provider (Cox cable) those
things
>>> will stay on my home machine, right?
>> When you use webmail to check your email does it already have everything 
>> that is on your computer or is it just the new emails you've received? 
>> If it mirrors your inbox, deleting in webmail will delete in your inbox. 
>>If it is just new email, deleting in webmail will prevent it from 
>> being downloaded to you computer.
>>
>> Worst case is you can always go to digest while on your vacation.  What 
>> part of Illinois are you going to?
>>
>> HTH!
>>
>> John
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] eBay Auction 1972 280SEL 4.5

[Gary Hurst]

biofuels, i think.

i think he is saying that mpg isn't a consideration on a car you really
wouldn't drive.  on a driveable car, thought, it's very important.  his car
isn't a driver though, so it doesn't matter.

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Tyler Backman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If MPG isn't a consideration on classics, than why has the price of
> diesel pontons shot up so much recently?
>
> Tyler
>
> On Jul 7, 2008, at 11:04 AM, Chuck Landenberger wrote:
>
> > Gary,
> >
> > An earlier auction did not meet the Reserve.  Reserve has been
> > reduced.  As to gas crunch, etc., IMHO, if you want this kind of
> > classic, MPG is not a consideration.  Besides, it ain't a daily
> > driver.
> >
> > I haven't seen it, but been told it in VG condition  As
> > described
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> > Chuck
>
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Re: [MBZ] eBay Auction 1972 280SEL 4.5

[Tyler Backman]

If MPG isn't a consideration on classics, than why has the price of  
diesel pontons shot up so much recently?

Tyler

On Jul 7, 2008, at 11:04 AM, Chuck Landenberger wrote:

> Gary,
>
> An earlier auction did not meet the Reserve.  Reserve has been
> reduced.  As to gas crunch, etc., IMHO, if you want this kind of
> classic, MPG is not a consideration.  Besides, it ain't a daily
> driver.
>
> I haven't seen it, but been told it in VG condition  As
> described
>
> Take care,
>
> Chuck

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Re: [MBZ] Selling a couple of cars

[M. Mitchell Marmel]

At 8:57 PM -0500 7/6/08, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>One of you should buy one of them.  Both are very nice.

Having seen them, I concur...

-MMM-

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Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

go to the list page and click the button to have it emailed to you

Robert Rentfro wrote:
> I want to switch to digest mode while I'm gone but I forgot my password.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 3:53 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb
> 
> FYI, if you dont want to switch to digest mode, all you have to do is 
> switch delivery to off rather than unsubscribe.
> 
> Robert Rentfro wrote:
>> I should have said '72 220D
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro
>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 11:56 AM
>> To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb
>>
>> A...digest mode. I almost forgot.
>> We're going to East Peoria for my 30th HS Class Reunion.
>> We will visit a few relatives, spend a little money on the gambling boat,
>> eat Steak-n-Shake daily, and I will keep my eye peeled for the elusive '72
>> 200D I need.
>>
>> Bob R.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Behalf Of John Robbins
>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:52 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb
>>
>> Robert Rentfro wrote:
>>> Do Outlook mailboxes have a limit on how much unread mail can sit in
> them?
>>
>> Outlook isn't the limiting factor... it is your ISP.  Usually they have 
>> a couple of megabytes as the limit, which should be plenty of room for 
>> all of the text based messages on this list.
>>
>>> While gone I do plan to check my email through my provider. If I delete
>>> unwanted stuff when checking through my provider (Cox cable) those things
>>> will stay on my home machine, right?
>> When you use webmail to check your email does it already have everything 
>> that is on your computer or is it just the new emails you've received? 
>> If it mirrors your inbox, deleting in webmail will delete in your inbox. 
>>If it is just new email, deleting in webmail will prevent it from 
>> being downloaded to you computer.
>>
>> Worst case is you can always go to digest while on your vacation.  What 
>> part of Illinois are you going to?
>>
>> HTH!
>>
>> John
>>
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  89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jeremy Hart out on bail?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I guess until the flakes decide he is fit to raise them again.  They are 
doing good out there, its just matter of if his parents decide to give 
them back to jeremy or not.  I dont think they will assuming he somehow 
gets off, but then again, I didnt think they would be bailing h im out 
of jail either.  In fact, that was part of the deal with us taking the 
kids, they were not going to be bailing him out or supporting him etc. 
Well that changed so it was time to change something here.  Kind of hard 
to take care of somebody elses kids when the grandparents are too 
worried about their murdering son. 3 really screwed up kids is just too 
much to deal with when A, the grandparents are now in support of the 
father, B, you cant get the kids to do a damn thing they are supposed to 
even when they know the rules etc but choose to break them, and C, when 
you have a baby of your own on the way.  Something had to give and that 
was it. Also not to mention the fact that our 2 kids starting failing 
school because of all the problems this has caused.  Was good to get 
them out of the initial bad situation but there was just so much we 
could do.

Mitch Haley wrote:
> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>> Kids are in california.
> 
> 
> Judas, Sensi, and the other one are with Jeremy's parents?
> Permanently or visiting?
> 
> Mitch.
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  89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb

[Robert Rentfro]

I want to switch to digest mode while I'm gone but I forgot my password.


-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 3:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb

FYI, if you dont want to switch to digest mode, all you have to do is 
switch delivery to off rather than unsubscribe.

Robert Rentfro wrote:
> I should have said '72 220D
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 11:56 AM
> To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb
> 
> A...digest mode. I almost forgot.
> We're going to East Peoria for my 30th HS Class Reunion.
> We will visit a few relatives, spend a little money on the gambling boat,
> eat Steak-n-Shake daily, and I will keep my eye peeled for the elusive '72
> 200D I need.
> 
> Bob R.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of John Robbins
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:52 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb
> 
> Robert Rentfro wrote:
>> Do Outlook mailboxes have a limit on how much unread mail can sit in
them?
> 
> 
> Outlook isn't the limiting factor... it is your ISP.  Usually they have 
> a couple of megabytes as the limit, which should be plenty of room for 
> all of the text based messages on this list.
> 
>> While gone I do plan to check my email through my provider. If I delete
>> unwanted stuff when checking through my provider (Cox cable) those things
>> will stay on my home machine, right?
> 
> When you use webmail to check your email does it already have everything 
> that is on your computer or is it just the new emails you've received? 
> If it mirrors your inbox, deleting in webmail will delete in your inbox. 
>If it is just new email, deleting in webmail will prevent it from 
> being downloaded to you computer.
> 
> Worst case is you can always go to digest while on your vacation.  What 
> part of Illinois are you going to?
> 
> HTH!
> 
> John
> 
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  89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jeremy Hart out on bail?

[Mitch Haley]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> Kids are in california.


Judas, Sensi, and the other one are with Jeremy's parents?
Permanently or visiting?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jeremy Hart out on bail?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Kids are in california. It was time for them to go about the time his 
parents decided to start trying to bail him out.  Already have enough 
problems as it is without that mess.

Robert Rentfro wrote:
> Really? He's not at all concerned about his kids? 
> (maybe concerned isn't the right word)
> 
> Bob R
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 11:39 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Jeremy Hart out on bail?
> 
> Naw, he wont show up here
> 
> LWB250 wrote:
>> Does that mean you're building up the armory in anticipation of a visit?
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> --- On Sun, 7/6/08, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Jeremy Hart out on bail?
>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>>> Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 8:09 PM
>>> Well, he has a hearing in a couple of weeks to see if he can
>>> leave the 
>>> state or not. Regardless, he will either be taken out, or
>>> he will flee. 
>>>   I almost guarantee it.
>>>
>>> Mitch Haley wrote:
 Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> funny thing happened just the other day.  Guess
>>> Jeremy has been out at 
> the crime scene cleaning it up etc.  Then the
>>> house burned down.  Guess 
> somebody must have accidentally set fire to it.
 Too bad he's prohibited from leaving the state. I
>>> think that boy would be safer 
 in Commiefornia with mommy and daddy. (of course,
>>> he'd have to go past Okieland 
 to get there, and you don't want that)

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>>>   84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>>>   76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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  89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

FYI, if you dont want to switch to digest mode, all you have to do is 
switch delivery to off rather than unsubscribe.

Robert Rentfro wrote:
> I should have said '72 220D
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 11:56 AM
> To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb
> 
> A...digest mode. I almost forgot.
> We're going to East Peoria for my 30th HS Class Reunion.
> We will visit a few relatives, spend a little money on the gambling boat,
> eat Steak-n-Shake daily, and I will keep my eye peeled for the elusive '72
> 200D I need.
> 
> Bob R.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of John Robbins
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:52 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb
> 
> Robert Rentfro wrote:
>> Do Outlook mailboxes have a limit on how much unread mail can sit in them?
> 
> 
> Outlook isn't the limiting factor... it is your ISP.  Usually they have 
> a couple of megabytes as the limit, which should be plenty of room for 
> all of the text based messages on this list.
> 
>> While gone I do plan to check my email through my provider. If I delete
>> unwanted stuff when checking through my provider (Cox cable) those things
>> will stay on my home machine, right?
> 
> When you use webmail to check your email does it already have everything 
> that is on your computer or is it just the new emails you've received? 
> If it mirrors your inbox, deleting in webmail will delete in your inbox. 
>If it is just new email, deleting in webmail will prevent it from 
> being downloaded to you computer.
> 
> Worst case is you can always go to digest while on your vacation.  What 
> part of Illinois are you going to?
> 
> HTH!
> 
> John
> 
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  89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] MORE on AT fluids

[Peter Frederick]

Type F fluid went out of usage (by Ford or anyone else) about 20  
years ago, or longer.

The difference is in the friction modifiers, the only real result of  
switching them was firmer shifts with Type F.

Mobil 1 (or any other full synthetic) ATF is vastly better, and what  
I use.

Peter

On Jul 7, 2008, at 5:28 PM, R A Bennell wrote:

> I just changed the AT fluid in my F150 and note that the dipstick  
> says to use Mercon V. I had to look around to
> find fluid that said it was rated that way and it appears that  
> means it is synthetic fluid. I am assuming that
> would be the case with the newest Dexron as well given my  
> understanding that Mercon and Dexron are essentially the
> same thing. Around here, it is getting hard to find much type F  
> fluid. I had an old LTD a few years back that used
> type F and the only way I could find it was in 1 liter containers.  
> No one seemed to keep any 4 liter or larger
> containers. Maybe folks with Fords that old don't change fluid.  
> They just add some when it is low.
>
> Randy
>
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Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb

[Robert Rentfro]

You bet.

Bob R

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb

220D, you mean?

i'd like one too.  if you can find a cheap pair, keep me in mind for the one
you don't want

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Robert Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> A...digest mode. I almost forgot.
> We're going to East Peoria for my 30th HS Class Reunion.
> We will visit a few relatives, spend a little money on the gambling boat,
> eat Steak-n-Shake daily, and I will keep my eye peeled for the elusive '72
> 200D I need.
>
> Bob R.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of John Robbins
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:52 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb
>
> Robert Rentfro wrote:
> > Do Outlook mailboxes have a limit on how much unread mail can sit in
> them?
>
>
> Outlook isn't the limiting factor... it is your ISP.  Usually they have
> a couple of megabytes as the limit, which should be plenty of room for
> all of the text based messages on this list.
>
> > While gone I do plan to check my email through my provider. If I delete
> > unwanted stuff when checking through my provider (Cox cable) those
things
> > will stay on my home machine, right?
>
> When you use webmail to check your email does it already have everything
> that is on your computer or is it just the new emails you've received?
> If it mirrors your inbox, deleting in webmail will delete in your inbox.
>   If it is just new email, deleting in webmail will prevent it from
> being downloaded to you computer.
>
> Worst case is you can always go to digest while on your vacation.  What
> part of Illinois are you going to?
>
> HTH!
>
> John
>
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[MBZ] MORE on AT fluids

[R A Bennell]

I just changed the AT fluid in my F150 and note that the dipstick says to use 
Mercon V. I had to look around to
find fluid that said it was rated that way and it appears that means it is 
synthetic fluid. I am assuming that
would be the case with the newest Dexron as well given my understanding that 
Mercon and Dexron are essentially the
same thing. Around here, it is getting hard to find much type F fluid. I had an 
old LTD a few years back that used
type F and the only way I could find it was in 1 liter containers. No one 
seemed to keep any 4 liter or larger
containers. Maybe folks with Fords that old don't change fluid. They just add 
some when it is low.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb

[Gary Hurst]

220D, you mean?

i'd like one too.  if you can find a cheap pair, keep me in mind for the one
you don't want

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Robert Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> A...digest mode. I almost forgot.
> We're going to East Peoria for my 30th HS Class Reunion.
> We will visit a few relatives, spend a little money on the gambling boat,
> eat Steak-n-Shake daily, and I will keep my eye peeled for the elusive '72
> 200D I need.
>
> Bob R.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of John Robbins
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:52 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb
>
> Robert Rentfro wrote:
> > Do Outlook mailboxes have a limit on how much unread mail can sit in
> them?
>
>
> Outlook isn't the limiting factor... it is your ISP.  Usually they have
> a couple of megabytes as the limit, which should be plenty of room for
> all of the text based messages on this list.
>
> > While gone I do plan to check my email through my provider. If I delete
> > unwanted stuff when checking through my provider (Cox cable) those things
> > will stay on my home machine, right?
>
> When you use webmail to check your email does it already have everything
> that is on your computer or is it just the new emails you've received?
> If it mirrors your inbox, deleting in webmail will delete in your inbox.
>   If it is just new email, deleting in webmail will prevent it from
> being downloaded to you computer.
>
> Worst case is you can always go to digest while on your vacation.  What
> part of Illinois are you going to?
>
> HTH!
>
> John
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT biofuels impact on food prices much higher than previously reported.

[Gary Hurst]

that's my guess.  this "blame biofuels" is so much just subterfuge to
confuse you.

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I wonder if land has been taken out of the Crop Reserve Program? If not,
> that is part of the problem. I know the claim is that this is often marginal
> land that should not be under cultivation. Well, the marginal land can grow
> crops that do not cause much erosion (NOT CORN), like jatropha. And the non
> marginal land can grow whatever.
>
> Fact of the matter is that the prices of ALL commodities are going up. Are
> we making ethanol and biodiesel out of steel, copper and aluminum? No. The
> problem with food price is much deeper than biofuels. The current economic
> problem gives big oil the opportunity to blame biofuels.
>
> In the end, it will all be algae and there will still be high food prices.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i don't get it still.  we have
> been hitherto told that we grow "too much"
> crop.  using that too much leads to desperate price increases in food?
>
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
>
> > claims that biofuel initiatives have forced world food prices up by 75%.
> >
> >
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jul/03/biofuels.renewableenergy
> >
> > I think this is pretty much common sense and shows the foolishness of
> > using food crops as a fuel source.
> >
> > Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT biofuels impact on food prices much higher than previously reported.

[Christopher McCann]

I wonder if land has been taken out of the Crop Reserve Program? If not, that 
is part of the problem. I know the claim is that this is often marginal land 
that should not be under cultivation. Well, the marginal land can grow crops 
that do not cause much erosion (NOT CORN), like jatropha. And the non marginal 
land can grow whatever.

Fact of the matter is that the prices of ALL commodities are going up. Are we 
making ethanol and biodiesel out of steel, copper and aluminum? No. The problem 
with food price is much deeper than biofuels. The current economic problem 
gives big oil the opportunity to blame biofuels.

In the end, it will all be algae and there will still be high food prices.

Chris



Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i don't get it still.  we have been 
hitherto told that we grow "too much"
crop.  using that too much leads to desperate price increases in food?

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:

> claims that biofuel initiatives have forced world food prices up by 75%.
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jul/03/biofuels.renewableenergy
>
> I think this is pretty much common sense and shows the foolishness of
> using food crops as a fuel source.
>
> Allan
> --
> 1983 300D
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-1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 60K mi, "Der Abschleppwagen"
-'75 240D, '80 300SD, '82 300Dt, '83 240D, '84 300Dt & '85 300Dt
   
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Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Question/ignition misfire

[R A Bennell]

You are absolutely right. The cylinders are 1 through 4 on the passenger side 
and 5 through 8 on the driver's side,
front to back.

So far, I have changed out the front 3 on the p side and the front 2 on the d 
side. None of those were too hard to
do. 7 and 8 don't look like fun. 4 does not look too bad.

The plugs have been changed before as the ones I am taking out are NGK and not 
Motorcraft. They are worn with a gap
of more than 80 thou so it was time to do this. Gap is supposed to be 54 to 56 
thou. Apart from that they don't
look too bad and are even so far. Changing the boots too. Some cracked at the 
bottom and some normal so maybe some
were changed previously.

Hope it solves my problem. Looking on a Ford forum reveals lots of folks 
suffering hesitation etc and not getting a
solution by changing plugs.

Randy

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Question/ignition misfire


#4 is the rear plug on the passenger side, and that is the one that we found? 
fouled.??And my son reminds s me,?it
was?a 2001 F150 with the 5.4 COP (coil on plug) engine.


?


4??? 8


?


3??? 7


?


2??? 6


?


1??? 5


? front


?


Jim in Phoenix




?


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Sent: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 8:31 am

Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Question/ignition misfire





It is the 5.4 with the COP setup. I hear that there is often a leak over #4 but 
  that would be the back cylinder
on  the driver's side of the vehicle. The heater hose apparently often drips 
onto   that spot if the clamp is not
tight  enough. Was looking on a Ford forum last evening. Have not done anything 
about   it yet - just driving the
300D but  need to see if I can have a look tonight. Have a scan tool so will 
see what it   says first. Should buy a
set of  plugs at the very least and install them anyway - but I hear that is 
not a fun   job - especially the first
time one  does it.Randy-Original Message-  From: [EMAIL 
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mercedes@okiebenz.com  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Question/ignition misfire 
 You didn't say which engine, but
assuming the mod V8 with coil on plug, we found   signs of standing water in 
one of  the plug holes on the
passenger side of the engine, almost like the under hood   design had funneled 
water to that  cylinder.? Anyway,
the crud buildup from evaporating the water was fouling that   plug.? this was 
on a 99 F150, here  in Phoenix,
where opportunities for driving through standing water are   infrequent.
Jim In Phoenix
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Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb

[Kevin Kraly]

I should have said '72 220D

Not MY '72 220D!  During the 5 years I've been scanning Craigslist Portland, 
I've seen 3 '72 220D's come up, one with a totally trashed/taken apart 
interior and dash, one that was hit in the driver's side, and one for $4400 
that was roadworthy and partially restored.  There have been a couple '69's, 
a couple of '70's, a '71, and a '73 as well.  I won't be in the market for 
one for a while since we haven't any parking spots for what we have right 
now.  The '83 300SD doesn't get driven at all, so I'm thinking of selling 
it.  Yes, Jim C, that's right!

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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Re: [MBZ] OT biofuels impact on food prices much higher than previously reported.

[Gary Hurst]

i don't get it still.  we have been hitherto told that we grow "too much"
crop.  using that too much leads to desperate price increases in food?

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> claims that biofuel initiatives have forced world food prices up by 75%.
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jul/03/biofuels.renewableenergy
>
> I think this is pretty much common sense and shows the foolishness of
> using food crops as a fuel source.
>
> Allan
> --
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[MBZ] OT biofuels impact on food prices much higher than previously reported.

[Allan Streib]

claims that biofuel initiatives have forced world food prices up by 75%.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jul/03/biofuels.renewableenergy

I think this is pretty much common sense and shows the foolishness of
using food crops as a fuel source.

Allan
--
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jeremy Hart out on bail?

[Robert Rentfro]

Really? He's not at all concerned about his kids? 
(maybe concerned isn't the right word)

Bob R

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Jeremy Hart out on bail?

Naw, he wont show up here

LWB250 wrote:
> Does that mean you're building up the armory in anticipation of a visit?
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> --- On Sun, 7/6/08, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> From: Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Jeremy Hart out on bail?
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 8:09 PM
>> Well, he has a hearing in a couple of weeks to see if he can
>> leave the 
>> state or not. Regardless, he will either be taken out, or
>> he will flee. 
>>   I almost guarantee it.
>>
>> Mitch Haley wrote:
>>> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 funny thing happened just the other day.  Guess
>> Jeremy has been out at 
 the crime scene cleaning it up etc.  Then the
>> house burned down.  Guess 
 somebody must have accidentally set fire to it.
>>> Too bad he's prohibited from leaving the state. I
>> think that boy would be safer 
>>> in Commiefornia with mommy and daddy. (of course,
>> he'd have to go past Okieland 
>>> to get there, and you don't want that)
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Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb

[Robert Rentfro]

I should have said '72 220D

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A...digest mode. I almost forgot.
We're going to East Peoria for my 30th HS Class Reunion.
We will visit a few relatives, spend a little money on the gambling boat,
eat Steak-n-Shake daily, and I will keep my eye peeled for the elusive '72
200D I need.

Bob R.

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb

Robert Rentfro wrote:
> Do Outlook mailboxes have a limit on how much unread mail can sit in them?


Outlook isn't the limiting factor... it is your ISP.  Usually they have 
a couple of megabytes as the limit, which should be plenty of room for 
all of the text based messages on this list.

> While gone I do plan to check my email through my provider. If I delete
> unwanted stuff when checking through my provider (Cox cable) those things
> will stay on my home machine, right?

When you use webmail to check your email does it already have everything 
that is on your computer or is it just the new emails you've received? 
If it mirrors your inbox, deleting in webmail will delete in your inbox. 
   If it is just new email, deleting in webmail will prevent it from 
being downloaded to you computer.

Worst case is you can always go to digest while on your vacation.  What 
part of Illinois are you going to?

HTH!

John


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Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb

[Mitch Haley]

Robert Rentfro wrote:
> A...digest mode. I almost forgot.

Switch to digest, and set your traveling computer to "download new messages 
only" and "leave messages on server". When you get home, you can download the 
digests to your main computer.

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Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb

[Robert Rentfro]

I shall make that change so I can see them while I'm away.

Bob R

-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb

I would guess that you have your home machine set to delete messages off 
your mail server once you download them to that machine.  If you leave 
that machine (or Outlook) running you will need to set it to leave msgs 
on the server if you want to be able to see them while you are 
traveling.  Or shut your home machine (or Outlook) off and it won't be 
getting the msgs at all, and you can read/delete/leave your msgs on the 
server until you get home and turn that machine back on (or Outlook back 
on) and then it will get everything off the server that is there.

--R

John Robbins wrote:
> Robert Rentfro wrote:
>   
>> Do Outlook mailboxes have a limit on how much unread mail can sit in
them? 
>> 
>
> Outlook isn't the limiting factor... it is your ISP.  Usually they have 
> a couple of megabytes as the limit, which should be plenty of room for 
> all of the text based messages on this list.
>
>   
>> While gone I do plan to check my email through my provider. If I delete
>> unwanted stuff when checking through my provider (Cox cable) those things
>> will stay on my home machine, right?
>> 
>
> When you use webmail to check your email does it already have everything 
> that is on your computer or is it just the new emails you've received? 
> If it mirrors your inbox, deleting in webmail will delete in your inbox. 
>If it is just new email, deleting in webmail will prevent it from 
> being downloaded to you computer.
>
> Worst case is you can always go to digest while on your vacation.  What 
> part of Illinois are you going to?
>
> HTH!
>
> John
>
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Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb

[Robert Rentfro]

A...digest mode. I almost forgot.
We're going to East Peoria for my 30th HS Class Reunion.
We will visit a few relatives, spend a little money on the gambling boat,
eat Steak-n-Shake daily, and I will keep my eye peeled for the elusive '72
200D I need.

Bob R.

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb

Robert Rentfro wrote:
> Do Outlook mailboxes have a limit on how much unread mail can sit in them?


Outlook isn't the limiting factor... it is your ISP.  Usually they have 
a couple of megabytes as the limit, which should be plenty of room for 
all of the text based messages on this list.

> While gone I do plan to check my email through my provider. If I delete
> unwanted stuff when checking through my provider (Cox cable) those things
> will stay on my home machine, right?

When you use webmail to check your email does it already have everything 
that is on your computer or is it just the new emails you've received? 
If it mirrors your inbox, deleting in webmail will delete in your inbox. 
   If it is just new email, deleting in webmail will prevent it from 
being downloaded to you computer.

Worst case is you can always go to digest while on your vacation.  What 
part of Illinois are you going to?

HTH!

John


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[MBZ] Mobil 1

[LarryT]

Was browsing the Mobil  website today and noticed they have an extensive 
"Do-it-yourself" library located at 
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/DIY/Steering_Rack_Replacement.aspx

There are some excellent procedures listed - many are not oil related - 
brake, paint, Throttle Bodies, etc are all covered.

Enjoy -

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jeremy Hart out on bail?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Naw, he wont show up here

LWB250 wrote:
> Does that mean you're building up the armory in anticipation of a visit?
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> --- On Sun, 7/6/08, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> From: Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Jeremy Hart out on bail?
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 8:09 PM
>> Well, he has a hearing in a couple of weeks to see if he can
>> leave the 
>> state or not. Regardless, he will either be taken out, or
>> he will flee. 
>>   I almost guarantee it.
>>
>> Mitch Haley wrote:
>>> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 funny thing happened just the other day.  Guess
>> Jeremy has been out at 
 the crime scene cleaning it up etc.  Then the
>> house burned down.  Guess 
 somebody must have accidentally set fire to it.
>>> Too bad he's prohibited from leaving the state. I
>> think that boy would be safer 
>>> in Commiefornia with mommy and daddy. (of course,
>> he'd have to go past Okieland 
>>> to get there, and you don't want that)
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>>   94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL,
>>   89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>>   84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>>   76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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  89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
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Re: [MBZ] eBay Auction 1972 280SEL 4.5

[Gary Hurst]

i'd really only be interested in one sound enough to be a daily driver
anyway.  i used to drive a 280sel every day, but then i sold it to rusty.
man, i miss that car!

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Gary,
>
> An earlier auction did not meet the Reserve.  Reserve has been
> reduced.  As to gas crunch, etc., IMHO, if you want this kind of
> classic, MPG is not a consideration.  Besides, it ain't a daily
> driver.
>
> I haven't seen it, but been told it in VG condition  As
> described
>
> Take care,
>
> Chuck
>  On Jul 7, 2008, at 10:58 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
> > how does the market look for those cars?  they were making a big
> > comeback
> > before the gas crunch and hope they haven't collapsed like the 126
> > v8s have
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Chuck Landenberger
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>  Hi all,
> >>
> >> The Mercedes-Benz Club of America Educational Foundation is
> >> auctioning a 1972 280SEL 4.5 for the benefit of the Foundation-
> >>
> >> Go to this link for more info:  http://mbca.cartama.net/
> >> showthread.php?p=144422#post144422
> >>
> >> And go to this link for more info about the MBCA Educational
> >> Foundation and its goals...http://mbcaef.org/info/
> >>
> >> Take care and good luck if you decide to bid..
> >>
> >> Chuck Landenberger
> >> Phoenix AZ
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] eBay Auction 1972 280SEL 4.5

[Chuck Landenberger]

Gary,

An earlier auction did not meet the Reserve.  Reserve has been  
reduced.  As to gas crunch, etc., IMHO, if you want this kind of  
classic, MPG is not a consideration.  Besides, it ain't a daily  
driver.

I haven't seen it, but been told it in VG condition  As  
described

Take care,

Chuck
On Jul 7, 2008, at 10:58 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:

> how does the market look for those cars?  they were making a big  
> comeback
> before the gas crunch and hope they haven't collapsed like the 126  
> v8s have
>
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Chuck Landenberger  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>  Hi all,
>>
>> The Mercedes-Benz Club of America Educational Foundation is
>> auctioning a 1972 280SEL 4.5 for the benefit of the Foundation-
>>
>> Go to this link for more info:  http://mbca.cartama.net/
>> showthread.php?p=144422#post144422
>>
>> And go to this link for more info about the MBCA Educational
>> Foundation and its goals...http://mbcaef.org/info/
>>
>> Take care and good luck if you decide to bid..
>>
>> Chuck Landenberger
>> Phoenix AZ
>>
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Re: [MBZ] eBay Auction 1972 280SEL 4.5

[Gary Hurst]

how does the market look for those cars?  they were making a big comeback
before the gas crunch and hope they haven't collapsed like the 126 v8s have

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Hi all,
>
> The Mercedes-Benz Club of America Educational Foundation is
> auctioning a 1972 280SEL 4.5 for the benefit of the Foundation-
>
> Go to this link for more info:  http://mbca.cartama.net/
> showthread.php?p=144422#post144422
>
> And go to this link for more info about the MBCA Educational
> Foundation and its goals...http://mbcaef.org/info/
>
> Take care and good luck if you decide to bid..
>
> Chuck Landenberger
> Phoenix AZ
>
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[MBZ] eBay Auction 1972 280SEL 4.5

[Chuck Landenberger]

  Hi all,

The Mercedes-Benz Club of America Educational Foundation is  
auctioning a 1972 280SEL 4.5 for the benefit of the Foundation-

Go to this link for more info:  http://mbca.cartama.net/ 
showthread.php?p=144422#post144422

And go to this link for more info about the MBCA Educational  
Foundation and its goals...http://mbcaef.org/info/

Take care and good luck if you decide to bid..

Chuck Landenberger
Phoenix AZ
  

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Re: [MBZ] Looking for a van.

[Rolf]

Should have been more clear. Looking for a *Mercedes* van. 206/207/307
are the only models I am aware of. Anyone else?

-Rolf

Christopher McCann wrote:
> Don't know what a 207/206/307 van is. I think I'll be selling my Ram Van 
> (Wagon - has the seats). 15 passenger, 1 ton, good condition, $3,000, gasser, 
> obviously.
>
> new tires, w/w motor, just changed oil and filter, some other things I can't 
> remember right now.
>
> Needs blower motor (a/c works - both front and rear)...blower motor works, 
> but not well. fuel gauge/sending unit intermittent.
>
> Replacing with manny diesel Vanagon I recently ran across.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Preferably in need of a lot of TLC.
> Preferably cheap.
> Preferably in the Southeast.
>
> 207/206/307 type vehicles. Looking to make an RV conversion so I can
> take my ladies camping.
>
> -Rolf
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for a van.

[Christopher McCann]

Don't know what a 207/206/307 van is. I think I'll be selling my Ram Van (Wagon 
- has the seats). 15 passenger, 1 ton, good condition, $3,000, gasser, 
obviously.

new tires, w/w motor, just changed oil and filter, some other things I can't 
remember right now.

Needs blower motor (a/c works - both front and rear)...blower motor works, but 
not well. fuel gauge/sending unit intermittent.

Replacing with manny diesel Vanagon I recently ran across.

Chris





Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Preferably in need of a lot of TLC.
Preferably cheap.
Preferably in the Southeast.

207/206/307 type vehicles. Looking to make an RV conversion so I can
take my ladies camping.

-Rolf

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[MBZ] Looking for a van.

[Rolf]

Preferably in need of a lot of TLC.
Preferably cheap.
Preferably in the Southeast.

207/206/307 type vehicles. Looking to make an RV conversion so I can
take my ladies camping.

-Rolf

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[MBZ] 1978 300D

[Donald Snook]

I found a 1978 300D here in Wichita cheap. It has working a/c. so, I may buy it 
before someone snatches it up.  It only has 175,000 miles.  I am trying to get 
pics of the interior or schedule a time to go see it this evening.

I don't know anything about the 300D that early.  I had two 123's diesels, but 
they were 82, 83.  Both were turbo.  Anything special I should look for on this 
one?

Is the mileage a little worse on the non-turbo since you have to have your foot 
in it all the time?  Should I expect 24-26 on the highway? (that is what I got 
in my 123's).  Any other information would be great.

Thanks,

Donald H. Snook

P.S. anyone want to buy a Buick?


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Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb

[Rich Thomas]

I would guess that you have your home machine set to delete messages off 
your mail server once you download them to that machine.  If you leave 
that machine (or Outlook) running you will need to set it to leave msgs 
on the server if you want to be able to see them while you are 
traveling.  Or shut your home machine (or Outlook) off and it won't be 
getting the msgs at all, and you can read/delete/leave your msgs on the 
server until you get home and turn that machine back on (or Outlook back 
on) and then it will get everything off the server that is there.

--R

John Robbins wrote:
> Robert Rentfro wrote:
>   
>> Do Outlook mailboxes have a limit on how much unread mail can sit in them? 
>> 
>
> Outlook isn't the limiting factor... it is your ISP.  Usually they have 
> a couple of megabytes as the limit, which should be plenty of room for 
> all of the text based messages on this list.
>
>   
>> While gone I do plan to check my email through my provider. If I delete
>> unwanted stuff when checking through my provider (Cox cable) those things
>> will stay on my home machine, right?
>> 
>
> When you use webmail to check your email does it already have everything 
> that is on your computer or is it just the new emails you've received? 
> If it mirrors your inbox, deleting in webmail will delete in your inbox. 
>If it is just new email, deleting in webmail will prevent it from 
> being downloaded to you computer.
>
> Worst case is you can always go to digest while on your vacation.  What 
> part of Illinois are you going to?
>
> HTH!
>
> John
>
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Re: [MBZ] Online EPC down?

[dave walton]

It's back up now.

Thanks

-Dave Walton

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Alex Chamberlain
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 6:25 AM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I can't bring up the Online EPC:
>> https://epc.startekinfo.com/epc/home.jsp
>>
>> I log in okay, but can't start it. Anyone else having problems, or is
>> my computer flaking out?
>>
>
> Dave, did you recently upgrade Java?  On the machine I use to get to
> that site (running XP SP2) it won't work with the latest version of
> Java; I had to force a downgrade to a previous version.  The failure
> mode is exactly as you've described. I don't know the relevant version
> numbers offhand, but will check when I get home in about 10 hours.
>
> Alex Chamberlain
> '87 300D Turbo et al.
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Re: [MBZ] Online EPC down?

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 6:25 AM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can't bring up the Online EPC:
> https://epc.startekinfo.com/epc/home.jsp
>
> I log in okay, but can't start it. Anyone else having problems, or is
> my computer flaking out?
>

Dave, did you recently upgrade Java?  On the machine I use to get to
that site (running XP SP2) it won't work with the latest version of
Java; I had to force a downgrade to a previous version.  The failure
mode is exactly as you've described. I don't know the relevant version
numbers offhand, but will check when I get home in about 10 hours.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jeremy Hart out on bail?

[LWB250]

Does that mean you're building up the armory in anticipation of a visit?

Dan


--- On Sun, 7/6/08, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Jeremy Hart out on bail?
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 8:09 PM
> Well, he has a hearing in a couple of weeks to see if he can
> leave the 
> state or not. Regardless, he will either be taken out, or
> he will flee. 
>   I almost guarantee it.
> 
> Mitch Haley wrote:
> > Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> >> funny thing happened just the other day.  Guess
> Jeremy has been out at 
> >> the crime scene cleaning it up etc.  Then the
> house burned down.  Guess 
> >> somebody must have accidentally set fire to it.
> > 
> > Too bad he's prohibited from leaving the state. I
> think that boy would be safer 
> > in Commiefornia with mommy and daddy. (of course,
> he'd have to go past Okieland 
> > to get there, and you don't want that)
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Re: [MBZ] 53rd Porsche Parade

[LarryT]

Thx for the link to the photos - didn't the Parade have some 
functions/visits to Biltmore?  Awesome Plantation -

I wish I could have made it also - maybe next yext - at least I have a 
shorter drive than you - Va to NC would have been a 3-4 hr trip.
Yours woud've been considerably longer.

Perhaps I can make Parade 09 -

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Subject: [MBZ] 53rd Porsche Parade


> This year's Porsche Parade (PCA's annual convention, the 53rd)) was held 
> last
> week in Charlotte, NC. About 2000 registrants from all over the country 
> and
> Europe spent the week doing things Porsche which included the Concours on
> Uptown Charlotte's closed streets, two rallies, one a gimmick and one a
> Navigational, the autocross held in the infield at Charlotte Motor 
> Speedway, numerous
> technical sessions and tours of several NASCAR shops including Penske's 
> which is
> almost a palace in landscaped grounds. Plus a good deal of eating and
> drinking. How does a sit-down dinner for 2000 in the Convention Center 
> sound?
>
> NASCAR is presently constructing a new high-rise headquarters building in
> downtown Charlotte and the NASCAR presence is everywhere.
>
> The Parade website (www.paradecharlotte.org) contains links to hundreds of
> event photos plus TV coverage videos.
>
> Guests from Porsche AG included Hans Peter Porsche, one of the sons of 
> Ferry
> Porsche attending his 30th Parade, and Norbert Singer, a huge figure in
> Porsche's competition history who spoke at a seminar and signed his new 
> book.
>
> The grand doorprize, as usual, was an all-expenses VIP trip for two to
> Porsche/Zuffenhausen with the unlimited use of a new car.
>
> No, I did not drive the nearly 6000 mile roundtrip from Seattle. There 
> were
> some California cars attending but the long distance driving award was won 
> by a
> 356 driver from Anchorage, Alaska. Unbelievable.
>
> RLE
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb

[John Robbins]

Robert Rentfro wrote:
> Do Outlook mailboxes have a limit on how much unread mail can sit in them? 

Outlook isn't the limiting factor... it is your ISP.  Usually they have 
a couple of megabytes as the limit, which should be plenty of room for 
all of the text based messages on this list.

> While gone I do plan to check my email through my provider. If I delete
> unwanted stuff when checking through my provider (Cox cable) those things
> will stay on my home machine, right?

When you use webmail to check your email does it already have everything 
that is on your computer or is it just the new emails you've received? 
If it mirrors your inbox, deleting in webmail will delete in your inbox. 
   If it is just new email, deleting in webmail will prevent it from 
being downloaded to you computer.

Worst case is you can always go to digest while on your vacation.  What 
part of Illinois are you going to?

HTH!

John


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[MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb

[Robert Rentfro]

Do Outlook mailboxes have a limit on how much unread mail can sit in them? 

I can't decide if I want to unsubscribe for a week. 

While gone I do plan to check my email through my provider. If I delete
unwanted stuff when checking through my provider (Cox cable) those things
will stay on my home machine, right?

I am a computer short bus rider.

 

Bob R  

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Re: [MBZ] A Bit O.T. Acura AC Comp Lock Up

[Robert Rentfro]

It's an '87 Legend, four door, auto, no sunroof (I think that makes it a
base).

Bob R

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] A Bit O.T. Acura AC Comp Lock Up


I need to know if 2 or 4 door, L LS or base.


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Subject: [MBZ] A Bit O.T. Acura AC Comp Lock Up

Wifey was driving the '87 Acura Legend today (109, 30% humidity). She said
she heard a noise, something started smelling hot so she shut off the AC and
continued on home. When she got home, I started the engine and it idles
fine. When I switch on the AC, the belt stop and the pulley on the
compressor freezes. When I switch the AC off, everything turns once again.

 

Never having this happen before, is this a clutch that has failed or does it
have one? Is it the compressor that is bad? I've only messed with the 300D's
AC compressor before. 

 

Bob R. 

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Re: [MBZ] 280CE

[Donald Snook]

Gary wrote: "a lot of people don't like the us spec m110 as it is over thirsty 
and low powered.  it is a very pleasant underpowered gas guzzler."

That is close to how I felt about mine, except mine was a Euro model.  It was 
not a CE, but an E.  I don't know if mine was a US Spec, but it was a M110.  It 
was not underpowered for me, but it was certainly thirsty. I hated the Euro 
seats (with the cloth because it was very rough on the legs if you had shorts 
on).  I did like the way it drove. It had a very tight suspension.  Mine was a 
1983 with 150,000 miles on it.  I guess the only real complaint was how bad the 
fuel mileage was.

I like the looks of the CE better.

Donald H. Snook




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Re: [MBZ] A Bit O.T. Acura AC Comp Lock Up

[rusty]

I need to know if 2 or 4 door, L LS or base.


--Original Message--
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Sent: Jul 7, 2008 12:42 AM
Subject: [MBZ] A Bit O.T. Acura AC Comp Lock Up

Wifey was driving the '87 Acura Legend today (109, 30% humidity). She said
she heard a noise, something started smelling hot so she shut off the AC and
continued on home. When she got home, I started the engine and it idles
fine. When I switch on the AC, the belt stop and the pulley on the
compressor freezes. When I switch the AC off, everything turns once again.

 

Never having this happen before, is this a clutch that has failed or does it
have one? Is it the compressor that is bad? I've only messed with the 300D's
AC compressor before. 

 

Bob R. 

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Re: [MBZ] always on blower motor 1981 300SD

[Donald Snook]

Ok Don wrote: "My brother bought a Corolla with a rattly blower - turned out to 
be a dead mouse."

I am just getting back from vacation, so I am a little behind in the emails.

BUT, it is funny that you mentioned this because I just had a similar 
experience.  We were with some of my relatives in St. Simon's Island, Georgia 
this past week and my brother in law's little SUV suddenly started making an 
awful racket and smelling VERY bad.   So, for a day we tried not to drive at 
all. By July 4, we knew we had to do something.  So, I checked to see what 
tools he had. He had only a Phillips head screwdriver and somebody else had a 
swiss army knife.  I searched all over for the blower motor and located it 
under the dash/glove box. The evaporator was under behind the glove box and it 
said "Evaporator and Blower Motor." While I was searching for tools, my BIL 
nearly started taking the evap apart (this vehicle had working A/C, so that 
would have been bad).  Anyway, after I stopped him, I showed him where the 
blower motor was and we removed it. The funny thing was all we needed was the 
Phillips head screwdriver.  I took the motor/cage out and there was the 
problem.  A dead mouse.  We took it out cleaned the squirrel cage and 
everything worked great.  We did have some nasty smell for an hour or so, but 
we bought some Lysol and sprayed it into the fresh air intake and it cleared it 
right up.


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Re: [MBZ] i actually talk car stuff! (shocking, i know)`

[Gary Hurst]

yeah, dexron whatever they are up to that you can buy cheap by the case at
the auto parts store.  3, 4, i don't know.

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 12:48 AM, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>  on 7/6/08 23:04, Gary Hurst at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > most people use dexron type ATF in their older mercedes, probably mostly
> > because that is the stuff you find everywhere that is known simply as
> > "automatic transmission fluid."  i'm coming across the idea, however,
> that
> > type F is better stuff to use as it produces crisper shifts and therefore
> > less friction.  any thoughts?
>
> My mechanic was asked about this a few months ago by the owner of an early
> 80s vintage BMW 733i who was told it by the tranny shop that did a minor
> overhaul on his autobox.
>
> Apparently it is gaining credence in older European cars, but I am not sure
> why. I had to use it in my old Volvo 164, with its old-tech (ugh)
> BorgWarner
> 35 autobox.
>
> Incidentally, the big indy benz shop here specifies Dextron III, not
> straight Dextron. Is this what you meant? I only use straight Dex in my PS
> pump.
>
> --
> "Mac"
> Steve MacSween
> Aylmer, Quebec (Canada)
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[MBZ] Online EPC down?

[dave walton]

I can't bring up the Online EPC:
https://epc.startekinfo.com/epc/home.jsp

I log in okay, but can't start it. Anyone else having problems, or is
my computer flaking out?

Thanks

-Dave Walton

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 8:57 AM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You wrote << you should keep your state police department's drunk driver
> hotline
>> on speed dial>>
>
> In Va, the SP are available on #77 IIRC - to make it easy to reach them.
> Dont know if this is a national movement but it should be standardized,
> IMHO.
>
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 5:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hands no mo
>
>
>> Wilton Strickland wrote:
>>>  we came up behind a vehicle weaving back and
>>> forth from left of center to the right edge of the pavement and up and
>>> down
>>> from 60 mph to 40 mph.
>>
>> That's why you should keep your state police department's drunk driver
>> hotline
>> on speed dial. I'd report her in an instant.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT SC

[LarryT]

We lived in Summerville, SC (just outside of C'ton) back in early 80s./ 
Beautiful people,beautiful country.  The people made it a wonderful place to 
live.

Then we moved to Greenville - another place of great people.
When I think about it - of the 12-15 cities we've lived in - all have been 
full of amazing people!

But I'm glad our moving days are over - when we were young and someone else 
was paying for the moving van it was fun - almost like a vacation.Now, 
we'll have to move ourselves or pay someone - wouldn;t mind finding some 
acres farther west of here - in the mountains of Va.

Need to stay kinda close to see the kids and G-kids -

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- Original Message - 
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Subject: [MBZ] OT SC


> Yep, moved to the Low Country, a beautiful area.  Would be nice if our
> stuff shows up sometime, was supposed to be here Thursday but now maybe
> Mon or Tues.  It is sitting here somewhere but they can't get a crew to
> offload it onto shuttle trucks to get down the drive to our house, so
> they say.  Idiots.
>
> Benz content:  Fri night some friends who live on Kiawah (median home
> price $2.5M, two gates to get in) invited us over to drinks dinner and
> fireworks.  I drove Brunnhilde, and the moat dragons there must have
> thought we were some kind of trash washing up, they harassed us for
> awhile til finally giving us the pass to get in.  I figured driving my
> Benz would put us in the high-fidelity first-class traveling set.
>
> Sitting across the road is a 60SEL (I think the 5 broke off), nice body,
> sorta ratty interior, been sitting there along the road for sale for at
> least 3 months now.  Wife would kill me if I dragged it home, but I
> gotta check on it...
>
> Yep Meade and I are gonna hook up at some point.
>
> --R
>
> Royce Engler wrote:
>> Rich said.
>>
>> I just moved to the Charleston SC area...
>>
>> --R
>>
>>
>> *** So you up and left Houston, huh?  IIR Max Dillon is in the Charleston
>> area...
>>
>> Royce
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Hands no mo

[LarryT]

You wrote << you should keep your state police department's drunk driver 
hotline
> on speed dial>>

In Va, the SP are available on #77 IIRC - to make it easy to reach them. 
Dont know if this is a national movement but it should be standardized, 
IMHO.

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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hands no mo


> Wilton Strickland wrote:
>>  we came up behind a vehicle weaving back and
>> forth from left of center to the right edge of the pavement and up and 
>> down
>> from 60 mph to 40 mph.
>
> That's why you should keep your state police department's drunk driver 
> hotline
> on speed dial. I'd report her in an instant.
>
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Re: [MBZ] [Banned] i actually talk car stuff! (shocking, i know)`

[LarryT]

Dexron was used mostly in GM which had auto trans that traditionally shiftly 
more smoothly - i.e., they  slipped the clutches - than the Ford ATs which 
shifted more firmly - so the Dex for GM contributed to the smooth shifting 
and the Type F contributed to the more firm shifts.

While MB had very firm shifts (I'm only familiar with pre 90s - but I think 
they have moved toward more smooth shifting) - which is little to *no* 
clutch slipping which produced longer life in their trans. they could use 
the Dexron and because the ATs were designed to shift firmly the Dex did 
little to contribute to shifting.

YMMY -

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Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 12:41 AM
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>I have never heard this before
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
>> most people use dexron type ATF in their older mercedes, probably mostly
>> because that is the stuff you find everywhere that is known simply as
>> "automatic transmission fluid."  i'm coming across the idea, however, 
>> that
>> type F is better stuff to use as it produces crisper shifts and therefore
>> less friction.  any thoughts?
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