Re: [MBZ] OT Dodge Caravan 3.3L V-6 engine Flex fuel

[Frederick W Moir]

Loren.
 Bravo! I'm sure that the Chrysler execs spent the 2 cents 
they saved on lube on their golf tees.

Fred Moir
Lynn MA

At 11:02 PM 12/3/2008, you wrote:

Fred and ALL:
Fred that was a great call.  It appears that the sensor took care of 
the problem.  It stumbled  a couple of times when i started it, but 
then seemed fine after that.  I figured the stumbling may have just 
been some residue from before the sensor was changed.



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Re: [MBZ] more skabe

[Redghost]

Roger, who lives a few blocks from me is blind.

I see the things all over my neighborhood and there are old and new  
ones rolling around.  Fewer than there used to be since those small C  
class benz are showing up more.  Guess I live in a more nordic block.


clay


On Dec 3, 2008, at 8:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...You're kidding, right?  Been to the Pacific Northwest or New  
England

lately?  I see as many older Saabs here as older BMWs or Benzes, and
nearly as many newer ones...

Well, I live in the Pacific NW and I see very few SAABs and the ones  
I do
notice are poorly cared for, even the rarely seen newer ones,  
whereas there are

LOTS more old MBs.

RLE/Seattle








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Re: [MBZ] Oh well, then

[RELNGSON]

> It is different in Iowa -- we are further east than you are. In Maine, 
> it
> would have been a 10 mph difference due to the rotation of the earth...
> 
And these were the navigational principles you used during your military 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Andrew's recycling

[andrew strasfogel]

I would figure out a way to kill them within 2 weeks, just like I did with
my gerbils.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You only need to buy them once.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
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> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Andrew's recycling
>
> But the worms cost a small fortune, like $30/lb.  find it offensive to pay
> for worms.
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Rich Thomas <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > You see what right thinking can do for you.  I do like that worm idea
> > though, some people apparently just put a 5 gal bucket under the sink and
> > throw their stuff right in there, the worms eat, poop, and, uh, do what
> > worms do, and you get good compost and more worms, sort of a
> self-sustaining
> > deal as long as you feed them.
> >
> > --R
> >
> >
> > andrew strasfogel wrote:
> >
> >> Hey Rich,
> >>
> >> You're gettting warmer - this is great research.  I enjoy the luxury of
> my
> >> own personal think tank.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Rich Thomas <
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> I think you need to add worms as an intermediate step.  They love
> coffee
> >>> grounds and whatever else.  I found my compost bin full of them the
> other
> >>> day, I guess in there keeping warm.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.terracycle.net/story.htm
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Re: [MBZ] Cimarron

[andrew strasfogel]

The 1953 Henry J.  Stalled on every hill in Cincinnati.  What a piece of
sh*t.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:24 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > the Worst Car ever made?...
> >
> When I saw this I immediately thought of the Cimarron. When Car & Driver
> tested one back in the day, they said that GM should send out a letter of
> apology
> with each one sold.
>
> And the Pontiac, Olds and Chev version of that turd were no better.
>
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Re: [MBZ] more skabe

[Gary Hurst]

when i lived in western new york in the early 90s, the saab 99 and 900 was
THE car of the rich kid old money set.  everyone called "trip" and "biff"
drove one.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 8:03 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > ...You're kidding, right?  Been to the Pacific Northwest or New England
> > lately?  I see as many older Saabs here as older BMWs or Benzes, and
> > nearly as many newer ones...
> >
> Well, I live in the Pacific NW and I see very few SAABs and the ones I do
> notice are poorly cared for, even the rarely seen newer ones, whereas there
> are
> LOTS more old MBs.
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Re: [MBZ] For I have sinned, I gave in to temptation

[andrew strasfogel]

Hey Don, my son's 300D did the same thing because the car had an incorrect
replacement speedometer!  I bet that's the case with yours.  Either that or
the wrong size tires...

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 9:03 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Did you hear me complaining? I have no problem with what I am driving.
>
> Figured out why the speedo on the 300E is off by 5 mph (you are going 5 mph
> faster than what the speedo shows, as checked with GPS). The "book" calls
> for 195/65/15 and the tires on the car are 195/70/15.
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >wrote:
>
> > I just got done unloading my latest purchase.  It is a 89 300E, its
> bright
> > red with tan interior.  It is in VERY nice shape, runs good, has new
> tires.
> >  Sorry Wacko, its in much better shape than the last one I had.  As soon
> as
> > I finish going thru it taking care of whatever it needs, it will be
> > available to purchase.
> > --
> > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
> >  92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
> >  87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
> >  84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
> >  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] OT Andrew's recycling

[Tom Hargrave]

You only need to buy them once.

Thanks,
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Andrew's recycling

But the worms cost a small fortune, like $30/lb.  find it offensive to pay
for worms.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Rich Thomas <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You see what right thinking can do for you.  I do like that worm idea
> though, some people apparently just put a 5 gal bucket under the sink and
> throw their stuff right in there, the worms eat, poop, and, uh, do what
> worms do, and you get good compost and more worms, sort of a
self-sustaining
> deal as long as you feed them.
>
> --R
>
>
> andrew strasfogel wrote:
>
>> Hey Rich,
>>
>> You're gettting warmer - this is great research.  I enjoy the luxury of
my
>> own personal think tank.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Rich Thomas <
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I think you need to add worms as an intermediate step.  They love coffee
>>> grounds and whatever else.  I found my compost bin full of them the
other
>>> day, I guess in there keeping warm.
>>>
>>> http://www.terracycle.net/story.htm
>>>
>>> --R
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] For I have sinned, I gave in to temptation

[andrew strasfogel]

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 9:03 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Did you hear me complaining? I have no problem with what I am driving.
>
> Figured out why the speedo on the 300E is off by 5 mph (you are going 5 mph
> faster than what the speedo shows, as checked with GPS). The "book" calls
> for 195/65/15 and the tires on the car are 195/70/15.
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >wrote:
>
> > I just got done unloading my latest purchase.  It is a 89 300E, its
> bright
> > red with tan interior.  It is in VERY nice shape, runs good, has new
> tires.
> >  Sorry Wacko, its in much better shape than the last one I had.  As soon
> as
> > I finish going thru it taking care of whatever it needs, it will be
> > available to purchase.
> > --
> > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
> >  92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
> >  87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
> >  84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
> >  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
> > http://www.okiebenz.com
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT Andrew's recycling

[andrew strasfogel]

But the worms cost a small fortune, like $30/lb.  find it offensive to pay
for worms.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Rich Thomas <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You see what right thinking can do for you.  I do like that worm idea
> though, some people apparently just put a 5 gal bucket under the sink and
> throw their stuff right in there, the worms eat, poop, and, uh, do what
> worms do, and you get good compost and more worms, sort of a self-sustaining
> deal as long as you feed them.
>
> --R
>
>
> andrew strasfogel wrote:
>
>> Hey Rich,
>>
>> You're gettting warmer - this is great research.  I enjoy the luxury of my
>> own personal think tank.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Rich Thomas <
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I think you need to add worms as an intermediate step.  They love coffee
>>> grounds and whatever else.  I found my compost bin full of them the other
>>> day, I guess in there keeping warm.
>>>
>>> http://www.terracycle.net/story.htm
>>>
>>> --R
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:37:08 -0600 "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> It is different in Iowa -- we are further east than you are. In Maine,
> it would have been a 10 mph difference due to the rotation of the earth.

Interesting theory. I wonder how the physics works out ...


Craig


> 
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 9:47 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > > ...Figured out why the speedo on the 300E is off by 5 mph (you are
> > > going
> > 5
> > > mph
> > > faster than what the speedo shows, as checked with GPS). The "book"
> > > calls for 195/65/15 and the tires on the car are 195/70/15...
> > >
> > Which calculates out to a 3.1% difference and a 24.6 revs per mile
> > difference. That's only 2mph off at 60.
> >
> > RLE
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires

[Wonko the Sane]

It is different in Iowa -- we are further east than you are. In Maine, it
would have been a 10 mph difference due to the rotation of the earth.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 9:47 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > ...Figured out why the speedo on the 300E is off by 5 mph (you are going
> 5
> > mph
> > faster than what the speedo shows, as checked with GPS). The "book" calls
> > for 195/65/15 and the tires on the car are 195/70/15...
> >
> Which calculates out to a 3.1% difference and a 24.6 revs per mile
> difference. That's only 2mph off at 60.
>
> RLE
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Dodge Caravan 3.3L V-6 engine Flex fuel

[harry watkins]

Two congrats.

Harry




Fred and ALL:

Fred that was a great call.  It appears that the sensor took care of 
the problem.  It stumbled  a couple of times when i started it, but 
then seemed fine after that.  I figured the stumbling may have just 
been some residue from before the sensor was changed.


It was a bear of a job!  I was unable to get the old sensor to turn 
in the hole.  the lug broke off before the thing turned.  then I 
broke off the plug.  then i tried to grab what was left with vice 
grips.  what was sticking out crumbled, but nothing budged.


it took me 5 hours of fiddling before I finally got the remains out. 
It is mounted on the backside of the engine where you can't see it 
aimed toward the front of the van.   I went in with a burr on a 
dremel, then tried to put  a screw in the hole and pull it.  The 
screw got it turning in the hole, but it would not extract.  I kept 
pulling out pieces of plastic with the screw.  Then i tried lag 
screws. Could not get them to stick.  Then I tried to rout out all 
the innards of the sensor with a burr.After I got most of the 
insides out of the shell, it finally came out.


I lubed the new sensor liberally.  I am sure that is a no-no, but I 
don't ever want to spend 6 hours on what should have been a 1 hour 
job again!  The bell housing is an Aluminum alloy, and it oxidized to 
lock in the old sensor.  I love never-seez.


you have to remove the air-intake between the air cleaner and the 
intake manifold/throttle body to get access.  It is done from the top.


Has anyone successfully changed the plugs on the back bank of a v-6 
in a 96-200? Dodge caravan?  are 2 of them accessible from 
underneath?  It looks like I can get the one on the driver's side 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Dodge Caravan 3.3L V-6 engine Flex fuel

[Loren Faeth]

Fred and ALL:

Fred that was a great call.  It appears that the sensor took care of 
the problem.  It stumbled  a couple of times when i started it, but 
then seemed fine after that.  I figured the stumbling may have just 
been some residue from before the sensor was changed.


It was a bear of a job!  I was unable to get the old sensor to turn 
in the hole.  the lug broke off before the thing turned.  then I 
broke off the plug.  then i tried to grab what was left with vice 
grips.  what was sticking out crumbled, but nothing budged.


it took me 5 hours of fiddling before I finally got the remains out. 
It is mounted on the backside of the engine where you can't see it 
aimed toward the front of the van.   I went in with a burr on a 
dremel, then tried to put  a screw in the hole and pull it.  The 
screw got it turning in the hole, but it would not extract.  I kept 
pulling out pieces of plastic with the screw.  Then i tried lag 
screws. Could not get them to stick.  Then I tried to rout out all 
the innards of the sensor with a burr.After I got most of the 
insides out of the shell, it finally came out.


I lubed the new sensor liberally.  I am sure that is a no-no, but I 
don't ever want to spend 6 hours on what should have been a 1 hour 
job again!  The bell housing is an Aluminum alloy, and it oxidized to 
lock in the old sensor.  I love never-seez.


you have to remove the air-intake between the air cleaner and the 
intake manifold/throttle body to get access.  It is done from the top.


Has anyone successfully changed the plugs on the back bank of a v-6 
in a 96-200? Dodge caravan?  are 2 of them accessible from 
underneath?  It looks like I can get the one on the driver's side 
from on top, and maybe the middle one.  Thanks to all!




At 10:42 PM 12/2/2008, you wrote:

Loren.
If 'twer me, I'd go with A NAPA part, I've never had a bad 
part from them. Should have bought the replacements from them, may 
not have had to buy more than 1!

Fred Moir
Lynn MA

At 07:12 PM 12/2/2008, you wrote:

Fred,
I was not able to find a used sensor.  Every 3.3 engine i found had 
the sensor gone.  Worldpac website shows what looks like a 
universal sensor with 2 ears and a pigtail wire.
I bought a new one from NAPA, (Echlin) but given your experience, 
I'd rather find a used one.  Do you know what the bad new ones you 
bought looked like?  The one from NAPA has one ear and has a socket 
for the wiring harness to plug into.  There is NO pigtail.
I think i trust it more than the worldpac sensor.  My junkyard 
experience tells me this is not a rare failure!

Thanks, hope to have this solved soon.
Loren


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Re: [MBZ] Opey

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Was twenty years agolol  You are correct on the spelling though.  My friend 
took his sister in law out drinking two weeks after i got it.apparently she 
was distracted and totalled it.gggrr.  So much for letting friends 
borrow cars.

Mike
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Opey

> ...I used to have a sweet Cadet wagon, several Mantas and almost a gt...
> 
And you loved it so much that you renamed it.

Kadett.

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Re: [MBZ] Worst, getting longer.

[Rich Thomas]

Did it have soft Corinthian leather?

http://archshrk.com/2006/05/ricardo-montalban-and-fine-corinthian-leather

--R

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ford Pinto (only the exploding models - I think the rest were okay 
junky little cars)

Plymouth Volare the rusted on the show room floor
Cadillac 8-6-4
Chevy Corvair
Ford Edsel
AMC Gremlin
Yugo
Vega
Renault Alliance (although my Aunt had the convertible version and loved 
it)...



It's not widely known, but before VanCleef's '86 420SEL (his only MB) he 
drove a six-cylinder Cordoba. Which would be on the list also, and near the top.


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Re: [MBZ] more skabe

[RELNGSON]

> ...You're kidding, right?  Been to the Pacific Northwest or New England
> lately?  I see as many older Saabs here as older BMWs or Benzes, and
> nearly as many newer ones...
> 
Well, I live in the Pacific NW and I see very few SAABs and the ones I do 
notice are poorly cared for, even the rarely seen newer ones, whereas there are 
LOTS more old MBs.

RLE/Seattle
>  
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Re: [MBZ] skabe

[RELNGSON]

> ..there is a rabid Saab following but I'd be curious how much money the 
> line makes...
> 
Doesn't make a damned bit of difference how rabid they are but how many new 
ones do they buy?

Not unlike this group, come to think of it.

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Re: [MBZ] Worst, getting longer.

[RELNGSON]

> Ford Pinto (only the exploding models - I think the rest were okay 
> junky little cars)
> Plymouth Volare the rusted on the show room floor
> Cadillac 8-6-4
> Chevy Corvair
> Ford Edsel
> AMC Gremlin
> Yugo
> Vega
> Renault Alliance (although my Aunt had the convertible version and loved 
> it)...
> 
It's not widely known, but before VanCleef's '86 420SEL (his only MB) he 
drove a six-cylinder Cordoba. Which would be on the list also, and near the top.

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Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires

[RELNGSON]

> ...Figured out why the speedo on the 300E is off by 5 mph (you are going 5 
> mph
> faster than what the speedo shows, as checked with GPS). The "book" calls
> for 195/65/15 and the tires on the car are 195/70/15...
> 
Which calculates out to a 3.1% difference and a 24.6 revs per mile 
difference. That's only 2mph off at 60.

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Re: [MBZ] Opey

[RELNGSON]

> ...I used to have a sweet Cadet wagon, several Mantas and almost a gt...
> 
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Kadett.

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Re: [MBZ] Cimarron

[RELNGSON]

> the Worst Car ever made?...
> 
When I saw this I immediately thought of the Cimarron. When Car & Driver 
tested one back in the day, they said that GM should send out a letter of 
apology 
with each one sold.

And the Pontiac, Olds and Chev version of that turd were no better.

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Re: [MBZ] An interesting story? [was: Re: OT Dodge Caravan 3.3L V-6 engine]

[Loren Faeth]

For the past 2 years I was trying to build up the hard cider 
business.  In Feb I was hauling a keg 200 miles, and I was almost 
there when the road got bad (rough)  I had previously hauled 2 keg 
over the road laid on their back, in case the bung blew, with no 
problem.  Since I had no problems previously, this time I set the keg 
up for the trip.  The rough road evidently shook the keg a little too 
much.  The bung blew, spraying the interior of the van and me with 
cider.  I washed out what i could, but I never tried to clean the 
headliner.  By mid summer, it didn't smell anymore.


I am out of the business now.  the land, orchard and equipment (and 7 
of my MBs) are all gone.  It was an incredible loss of a historic 
business.  Small greedy people are all over though.


At 08:35 PM 12/3/2008, you wrote:

On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:27:12 -0600 Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I am starting to look for a 2002 at kleb prices.  Actually, I want to
> buy one for about $3k  According to the "book" mine is worth about 3k.
>
> I am guessing the hard cider sprayed all over the headliner might
> bring down the value some...

So what's the story behind this?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Beware of the doghouse

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:31:54 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  http://www.maniacworld.com/Beware-of-the-Doghouse.html

Oh my!

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Re: [MBZ] O/T Chevies vrs GMC

[Loren Faeth]

Yep

And even in the 60s, the GMC pickups were built heavier.  I am not 
sure when they because the same fframe and the same tin, but it has 
been a while.


At 03:23 PM 12/3/2008, you wrote:

No takers on this?  I'm surprised.

Shared engine design, stovebolt 6.   GMC's had oil pumps, Chevies 
were splash lubed.


Nice to be old sometimes.

Pete, who keeps the 1.5L bottle of Makers Marks which was the Grand Prize.



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> Anybody remember what the functional difference between a Chevy 
and GMC truck

> was 60 years ago?
> Hint;  What made GMC a 'Premium' Chevrolet?
>
> Pete
>
>
>  -- Original message --
> From: Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > GMC Truck was merged with White years ago.  Volvo bought White
> > GMC.  White used to make Freightliner, and when Freightliner went
> > independent, White struggled.  DB courted White for a while, but
> > failed to buy White.  White then merged with GMC.  Ford sold the
> > Louisville line to DB, and it was renamed Sterling.  DB bought
> > Freightliner.  Ford bought Volvo.
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Re: [MBZ] M119 broken timing chain

[Hendrik & Fay]

Ahh yes but is the timing chain broken? If the motor turns over this 
would indicate that the chain is still intact, what usually happens is 
that piece of the upper guide rail breaks loose and goes under the chain 
and as it comes around the top it cracks the rocker cover.
You won't know until the rocker cover is removed but sounds like 
complete disassembly of the front of the engine and renewal of the 
guides, chain and tensioner. With a bit of luck the valves will be straight.
I would not be cranking the motor over in case the chain jumps another 
tooth but rather turn the motor by hand and see if the valves move.
From memory the recommended interval for guides, chain and tensioner is 
100K miles. Guess this was not done, which may well mean this vehicle 
was not maintained that well.


Hendrik

Tom Savage wrote:

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Well as a matter of fact said car is up your way, which does not mean 
you can steal it out from under me.  Im fixing to break my buying 
freeze I think.  The guy bought it off a bank, who repoed it when the 
owner quit paying.  I guess they blew it up.  It only has 144k on it. 
Guy said if you pull the air cleaner the cam case is cracked.  Im 
figuring this to mean the valve covers are cracked from a broken 
timing chain.  He said it turns over fine but he has not tried to 
start it.


Interesting.  The air cleaner doesn't really obscure the timing chest, 
where a broken chain would hit.  I'll try to make it out there and 
have a peek.  That has got to be a new world record for cheapest 140.


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Re: [MBZ] For I have sinned, I gave in to temptation

[Wonko the Sane]

I came really close to buying Gene's boss's E420. Forget the year but it was
the last year of the W124. Black & black, showroom condition (not so much as
a door ding). He wanted $6000 and that would have required a loan and car
payments.

He ended up letting his teen daughter drive it to school and then traded it
on a BMW SUV, to go along with their G500.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 8:37 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Oh no, you have a good car, it was a good cheap car.  This is just at least
> a notch or 2 up the scale from that car, so far anyway at least from a
> cosmetic standpoint.  Will know more about the mechanics soon.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] For I have sinned, I gave in to temptation

[Wonko the Sane]

Yea, when you were doing 80 you were really doing 90.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> The tires are the wrong size?  I didnt even notice.  I guess that would
> explain it then.
>
> Wonko the Sane wrote:
>
>> Did you hear me complaining? I have no problem with what I am driving.
>>
>> Figured out why the speedo on the 300E is off by 5 mph (you are going 5
>> mph
>> faster than what the speedo shows, as checked with GPS). The "book" calls
>> for 195/65/15 and the tires on the car are 195/70/15.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >wrote:
>>
>>  I just got done unloading my latest purchase.  It is a 89 300E, its
>>> bright
>>> red with tan interior.  It is in VERY nice shape, runs good, has new
>>> tires.
>>>  Sorry Wacko, its in much better shape than the last one I had.  As soon
>>> as
>>> I finish going thru it taking care of whatever it needs, it will be
>>> available to purchase.
>>> --
>>> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>>>  92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
>>>  87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
>>>  84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>>>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] For I have sinned, I gave in to temptation

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

The tires are the wrong size?  I didnt even notice.  I guess that would 
explain it then.


Wonko the Sane wrote:

Did you hear me complaining? I have no problem with what I am driving.

Figured out why the speedo on the 300E is off by 5 mph (you are going 5 mph
faster than what the speedo shows, as checked with GPS). The "book" calls
for 195/65/15 and the tires on the car are 195/70/15.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:


I just got done unloading my latest purchase.  It is a 89 300E, its bright
red with tan interior.  It is in VERY nice shape, runs good, has new tires.
 Sorry Wacko, its in much better shape than the last one I had.  As soon as
I finish going thru it taking care of whatever it needs, it will be
available to purchase.
--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D,
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Re: [MBZ] For I have sinned, I gave in to temptation

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Oh no, you have a good car, it was a good cheap car.  This is just at 
least a notch or 2 up the scale from that car, so far anyway at least 
from a cosmetic standpoint.  Will know more about the mechanics soon.


Wonko the Sane wrote:

Did you hear me complaining? I have no problem with what I am driving.

Figured out why the speedo on the 300E is off by 5 mph (you are going 5 mph
faster than what the speedo shows, as checked with GPS). The "book" calls
for 195/65/15 and the tires on the car are 195/70/15.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:


I just got done unloading my latest purchase.  It is a 89 300E, its bright
red with tan interior.  It is in VERY nice shape, runs good, has new tires.
 Sorry Wacko, its in much better shape than the last one I had.  As soon as
I finish going thru it taking care of whatever it needs, it will be
available to purchase.
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 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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[MBZ] An interesting story? [was: Re: OT Dodge Caravan 3.3L V-6 engine]

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:27:12 -0600 Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I am starting to look for a 2002 at kleb prices.  Actually, I want to 
> buy one for about $3k  According to the "book" mine is worth about 3k.
> 
> I am guessing the hard cider sprayed all over the headliner might 
> bring down the value some...

So what's the story behind this?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Next car

[OK Don]

The fins are too small ---

> Here's another one, just a little bit nicer.
>
> http://tiny.cc/tyYWr
>

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Re: [MBZ] the Worst Car ever made?

[Rich Thomas]

I lusted after those Biturbos  ("beeturbo"), a wheezing POS in a box 
with an Eyetalyun name.  The only think neat about it was the trident.  
Somebody in my hood in Mass had one I would see occasionally, a guido 
with gold chains and pinky rings, "A Touch Of Class."


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LWB250 wrote:

http://mars.superlink.net/~rriegler/sml/

Scroll down.

It amazes me that this is still up after 12 years

Dan


--- On Wed, 12/3/08, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

From: Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [MBZ] the Worst Car ever made?
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 3:34 PM
http://tiny.cc/Q5488

One reason GM lost some customers!

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Re: [MBZ] For I have sinned, I gave in to temptation

[Mitch Haley]

Wonko the Sane wrote:


Figured out why the speedo on the 300E is off by 5 mph (you are going 5 mph
faster than what the speedo shows, as checked with GPS). The "book" calls
for 195/65/15 and the tires on the car are 195/70/15.


That explains the difference between 60mph and 62mph.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] For I have sinned, I gave in to temptation

[Wonko the Sane]

We could perhaps talk if it was blue. But red is a deal-killer for a Debbie
car.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I just got done unloading my latest purchase.  It is a 89 300E, its bright
> red with tan interior.  It is in VERY nice shape, runs good, has new tires.
>  Sorry Wacko, its in much better shape than the last one I had.  As soon as
> I finish going thru it taking care of whatever it needs, it will be
> available to purchase.
> --
> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>  92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
>  87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
>  84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
> http://www.okiebenz.com
>
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Re: [MBZ] For I have sinned, I gave in to temptation

[Wonko the Sane]

Did you hear me complaining? I have no problem with what I am driving.

Figured out why the speedo on the 300E is off by 5 mph (you are going 5 mph
faster than what the speedo shows, as checked with GPS). The "book" calls
for 195/65/15 and the tires on the car are 195/70/15.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I just got done unloading my latest purchase.  It is a 89 300E, its bright
> red with tan interior.  It is in VERY nice shape, runs good, has new tires.
>  Sorry Wacko, its in much better shape than the last one I had.  As soon as
> I finish going thru it taking care of whatever it needs, it will be
> available to purchase.
> --
> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>  92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
>  87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
>  84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
> http://www.okiebenz.com
>
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Re: [MBZ] Next car

[Redghost]

I heard something about these things.  They are used to replace the  
spent chemistry in the system.  Not sure how you spend it, but IIRC  
Marshall talked of this sort of thing four years ago.  Not sure where  
he stood, but I would expect it was against.  Just change the fuses,  
use proper coolant and Mobil 1


clay

On Dec 3, 2008, at 1:47 PM, Donald Snook wrote:


Allen wrote: "GM Coolant pellets"  ?? what are these?

GM makes these little pellets I don't know what they are made of,  
but you crush them with a hammer and put them in the radiator.  They  
are supposed to accomplish the same thing as Bars Leak (and other  
similar products).  A lot of Cadillac owners with the 4.1, 4.5, 4.9  
and Northstar use them as a preventative measure for minor leaks.   
My car doesn't have any leaks, but they cost about $5 and offer some  
measure of extra protection for water pump, intake gasket, or head  
gasket leaks.



Donald H. Snook

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[MBZ] Beware of the doghouse

[RELNGSON]

 http://www.maniacworld.com/Beware-of-the-Doghouse.html


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Re: [MBZ] the Worst Car ever made?

[LWB250]

http://mars.superlink.net/~rriegler/sml/

Scroll down.

It amazes me that this is still up after 12 years

Dan


--- On Wed, 12/3/08, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [MBZ] the Worst Car ever made?
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 3:34 PM
> http://tiny.cc/Q5488
> 
> One reason GM lost some customers!
> 
> Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] O/T adult bevvies

[Rich Thomas]

Where'd my piccie go?

--R

Rich Thomas wrote:
Although Makers Mark does very well in Mint Juleps at the Derby.  I 
speak from experience.


--R




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Re: [MBZ] What do you think of this...

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Could be decent, but always try to get it cheaper.  Watch out for evap 
problems, and bad wiring harness.  Also, head gasket.


Allan Streib wrote:

http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/940494981.html

Too expensive? About right??

What are common problems with this model/year?

Allan



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Re: [MBZ] M1 ATF in PS Pmp...coinkydink?

[Peter Frederick]

I suspect that AFT does something nasty to the seals -- my steering  
box on the "new" 300D dribbles, but now that I've been putting only  
PS fluid in for a year, I only fill it every 3000 miles or so instead  
of every 600 or so  Not perfect, of course, but vastly better.


It was filled with ATF...

Peter

On Dec 2, 2008, at 10:31 PM, Robert Rentfro wrote:

As I was swapping out the PS pumps tonight I was thinking that this  
stupid
leak on the PS pump started about the time I flushed everything  
out, changed

filter, lid gasket and swapped to M1  ATF.



Co-inky-dink or no?



Bob R

'77 300D 198K

'87 Acura Legend 199K

'05 E320 64K

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Re: [MBZ] Was OT Biodiesel *processor*, then coffee grounds, now Starbucks fire starters

[Tom Hargrave]

If customers will pay $15.00 for a box of six generic brand coffee then what
will they pay for Starbucks logs? Even more important, would Starbucks be
willing to sell them?  Looks like potential to me.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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On Behalf Of Redghost
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was OT Biodiesel *processor*, then coffee grounds,now
Starbucks fire starters

yep.  They sell for $15 a box of six.  Last three hours each

just overpriced presto logs

clay

On Dec 2, 2008, at 7:36 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

> In Seattle?
>
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Already have Javalogs for that use here.  Cost way too much, but  
>> smell
>> great.  Ash is good for the garden too
>>
>> clay
>>
>>
>> On Dec 2, 2008, at 4:47 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote:
>>
>> Maybe the answer is to dry them & then compress them into pellets  
>> with a
>>> little wax & sell the pellets to people with wood stoves as starter
>>> pellets?
>>>
>>> They could be Starbucks fire starters - fire starters with snob  
>>> appeal!
>>>
>>> Now, before anyone bashes me about CO2 emissions, the same amount  
>>> of CO2
>>> is
>>> released into the air when something decomposes.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Tom Hargrave
>>> www.kegkits.com
>>> 256-656-1924
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> ]
>>> On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:30 AM
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT business idea - was Biodiesel *processor*  
>>> for under
>>> $3k
>>>
>>> I see.  Maybe that's why they smell so rank...
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> andrew strasfogel wrote:

 I thought most of the oil is in the brew.
>
>
 I thought this discussion started with the revelation that spent  
 grounds
 are 15% oil by weight.

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[MBZ] What do you think of this...

[Allan Streib]

http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/940494981.html

Too expensive? About right??

What are common problems with this model/year?

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] For I have sinned, I gave in to temptation

[Tom Hargrave]

Fair enough.

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] For I have sinned, I gave in to temptation

I would probably do some trading.  Once I get it ready you can see what 
you think.

Tom Hargrave wrote:
> Trade for a 300SDL?
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
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> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 5:23 PM
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> Subject: [MBZ] For I have sinned, I gave in to temptation
> 
> I just got done unloading my latest purchase.  It is a 89 300E, its 
> bright red with tan interior.  It is in VERY nice shape, runs good, has 
> new tires.  Sorry Wacko, its in much better shape than the last one I 
> had.  As soon as I finish going thru it taking care of whatever it 
> needs, it will be available to purchase.

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Re: [MBZ] For I have sinned, I gave in to temptation

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Rich Thomas wrote:
Well, he made it to like step 2 of the 12-step Benzanon program.  Or 
maybe just the first, admitting he had a problem.  Perhaps we should 
have an intervention, go take away all his addictive substances.


--R

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Re: [MBZ] For I have sinned, I gave in to temptation

[Rich Thomas]

Well, he made it to like step 2 of the 12-step Benzanon program.  Or 
maybe just the first, admitting he had a problem.  Perhaps we should 
have an intervention, go take away all his addictive substances.


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Re: [MBZ] Just another day...

[Hendrik & Fay]

I see you have the same colored S124, that blue/black color that is a 
pain to keep clean.


Hendrik
with a filthy TE

John Robbins wrote:

Working on the MB's.

The E300 and SDL (hood up) are a friend's...

John
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Re: [MBZ] O/T adult bevvies

[Rich Thomas]

Although Makers Mark does very well in Mint Juleps at the Derby.  I 
speak from experience.


--R





Rich Thomas wrote:
You need to try Old Weller, Basil Hayden's, Rebel Yell, Knob Creek, 
Blanton's, and some of the others, and get out of the same old rut.  I 
think you will be pleasantly surprised.  MM, while plenty tasty, is 
sorta the Chebbie of that group!


I like that style though.  "Honey I need to by my bro a bottle for 
Christmas."  "Don't you buy any for you, we can't afford it!"  "OK"  
Then you both end up with gift bottles!!!


--R

Donald Snook wrote:
Pete wrote: "Pete, who keeps the 1.5L bottle of Makers Marks which 
was the Grand Prize."


WOW! My favorite!  Makers Mark is a tradition at our house.  Every 
year for Christmas, my brother and I give each other a bottle (and a 
gift subscription to Car And Driver)!  I wish I would have known that 
was the prize, I might have googled the answer.



Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] For I have sinned, I gave in to temptation

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I would probably do some trading.  Once I get it ready you can see what 
you think.


Tom Hargrave wrote:

Trade for a 300SDL?

Thanks,
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Subject: [MBZ] For I have sinned, I gave in to temptation

I just got done unloading my latest purchase.  It is a 89 300E, its 
bright red with tan interior.  It is in VERY nice shape, runs good, has 
new tires.  Sorry Wacko, its in much better shape than the last one I 
had.  As soon as I finish going thru it taking care of whatever it 
needs, it will be available to purchase.


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 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] For I have sinned, I gave in to temptation

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

No, this is it, I swear.  Well, except maybe for that cheap 140.  There 
is also a cheap 87 300D Im looking at but I dont know if its sold or 
what, guy has not emailed me back again.


The way I figure it, I spent what I made off of one of the junker 
project cars I sold, and this one I can resell and turn a decent profit 
on, so I will be ahead.  OR, maybe I will keep it for a while since gas 
is cheaper than diesel.


Kevin wrote:

I figured it wasn't going to take long. Your buying freezes last about as long
as mine do.

On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 05:22:30PM -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
I just got done unloading my latest purchase.  It is a 89 300E, its 
bright red with tan interior.  It is in VERY nice shape, runs good, has 
new tires.  Sorry Wacko, its in much better shape than the last one I 
had.  As soon as I finish going thru it taking care of whatever it 
needs, it will be available to purchase.


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 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] For I have sinned, I gave in to temptation

[Tom Hargrave]

Trade for a 300SDL?

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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256-656-1924
 

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Subject: [MBZ] For I have sinned, I gave in to temptation

I just got done unloading my latest purchase.  It is a 89 300E, its 
bright red with tan interior.  It is in VERY nice shape, runs good, has 
new tires.  Sorry Wacko, its in much better shape than the last one I 
had.  As soon as I finish going thru it taking care of whatever it 
needs, it will be available to purchase.
-- 
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  92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
  87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
  84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
http://www.okiebenz.com

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Re: [MBZ] If I were running GM . . .

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

One of those, Cobalt or Aveo, I cant remember which is actually made by 
some other company.  In Korea maybe?  I know the VIN format is different 
and it says it was made by such and such company.


Curt Raymond wrote:

Hear hear! Bankruptcy is the only way to save GM in any lasting sense.

My plan would be different, file bankruptcy, close Pontiac, and Buick. Kill 
Chevy trucks, all trucks are now GMC but there will be no separate dealerships, 
GMC will be a business unit of Chevrolet. Saab I haven't decided on, there is a 
rabid Saab following but I'd be curious how much money the line makes.

I'd eliminate most of the cross between Chevy and Cadillac, maybe one or two bridge cars but not many. I'd streamline the lines, fewer models done well. I'd focus on smaller cars and return to making a small station wagon. 


HAIL the return of the station wagon that American family tradition!

I HATE the Cobalt, everything about it screams cheap. I've never driven one but 
I've sat in an Aveo and been absolutely shocked about how good a cheap crappy 
little car it felt like...

I'm with you on Hyundai making a nice car now. I had an Elantra as a rental and 
really enjoyed it. I'm not with you on GM buying anybody, they need to get 
smaller and better not bigger. If they could steal some of Hyundai's 
management...

-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] For I have sinned, I gave in to temptation

[Kevin]

I figured it wasn't going to take long. Your buying freezes last about as long
as mine do.

On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 05:22:30PM -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> I just got done unloading my latest purchase.  It is a 89 300E, its 
> bright red with tan interior.  It is in VERY nice shape, runs good, has 
> new tires.  Sorry Wacko, its in much better shape than the last one I 
> had.  As soon as I finish going thru it taking care of whatever it 
> needs, it will be available to purchase.

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[MBZ] For I have sinned, I gave in to temptation

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I just got done unloading my latest purchase.  It is a 89 300E, its 
bright red with tan interior.  It is in VERY nice shape, runs good, has 
new tires.  Sorry Wacko, its in much better shape than the last one I 
had.  As soon as I finish going thru it taking care of whatever it 
needs, it will be available to purchase.

--
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 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
http://www.okiebenz.com

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Re: [MBZ] OT Andrew's recycling

[Rich Thomas]

You see what right thinking can do for you.  I do like that worm idea 
though, some people apparently just put a 5 gal bucket under the sink 
and throw their stuff right in there, the worms eat, poop, and, uh, do 
what worms do, and you get good compost and more worms, sort of a 
self-sustaining deal as long as you feed them.


--R

andrew strasfogel wrote:

Hey Rich,

You're gettting warmer - this is great research.  I enjoy the luxury of my
own personal think tank.



On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Rich Thomas <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

I think you need to add worms as an intermediate step.  They love coffee
grounds and whatever else.  I found my compost bin full of them the other
day, I guess in there keeping warm.

http://www.terracycle.net/story.htm

--R

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Re: [MBZ] Next car

[Rich Thomas]

Hey, a buddy of mine has or had one of those he bought off a guy for 
scrap value, project he never got to, and it was in surprisingly good 
shape.  He was going to ebay parts off it, but then decided he might 
drop a Cad 500 in it for grins.


--R

Donald Snook wrote:

Allan wrote: 'Speaking of old Cadillacs.

http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/934062194.html

Here's another one, just a little bit nicer.

http://tiny.cc/tyYWr

This one is perfect for me as a Mizzou fan. It's black and gold!  I could put 8 
people in it and drive it to the games. With that size trunk, we could carry 
everything we need to tailgate.  I can just see a HUGE Mizzou Tiger Logo on the 
sides/hood!

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] O/T adult bevvies

[Rich Thomas]

You need to try Old Weller, Basil Hayden's, Rebel Yell, Knob Creek, 
Blanton's, and some of the others, and get out of the same old rut.  I 
think you will be pleasantly surprised.  MM, while plenty tasty, is 
sorta the Chebbie of that group!


I like that style though.  "Honey I need to by my bro a bottle for 
Christmas."  "Don't you buy any for you, we can't afford it!"  "OK"  
Then you both end up with gift bottles!!!


--R

Donald Snook wrote:

Pete wrote: "Pete, who keeps the 1.5L bottle of Makers Marks which was the Grand 
Prize."

WOW! My favorite!  Makers Mark is a tradition at our house.  Every year for 
Christmas, my brother and I give each other a bottle (and a gift subscription 
to Car And Driver)!  I wish I would have known that was the prize, I might have 
googled the answer.


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Re: [MBZ] the Worst Car ever made?

[Mitch Haley]

Donald Snook wrote:

Randy wrote: "Pretty bad, but I don't know as though I would agree that it was the 
worst. There are certainly a fair number of contenders for that title."

Ok maybe there are others that would contend for the Title, but the Cimmaron 
has to be included in the list. I would also add the:

Ford Pinto (only the exploding models - I think the rest were okay junky little 
cars)
Plymouth Volare the rusted on the show room floor
Cadillac 8-6-4

Engine reliability problems

Chevy Corvair
A better car than it gets credit for, Triumphs and MBZs had jacking problems 
back then too IIRC.

Ford Edsel

Name one thing wrong with this, other than lack of sales.

AMC Gremlin
Wasn't any more or less reliable than other AMC product of the early 70's. Back 
seat was a pain to get in and out of. My sister had two of them. Nearly died 
totaling the first one when she was 18, but what small 1972 car was made to take 
a Buick 225 Electra in the driver's door at high speed?

Yugo
Pile of crap. I worked with somebody who bought one about the same time I bought 
my Horizon. 50,000 miles later the Horizon was like new, the Yugo was blowing 
oil smoke and running poorly, and I think it had suspension problems too.

Vega
Good car after they put a Pontiac engine in it (1976 I think). Monza was much 
the same car but prettier IMO.

Renault Alliance (although my Aunt had the convertible version and loved it).

Ok, so it was less reliable than a VW Rabbit..

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Next car

[Donald Snook]

Allan wrote: 'Speaking of old Cadillacs.

http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/934062194.html

Here's another one, just a little bit nicer.

http://tiny.cc/tyYWr

This one is perfect for me as a Mizzou fan. It's black and gold!  I could put 8 
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everything we need to tailgate.  I can just see a HUGE Mizzou Tiger Logo on the 
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Re: [MBZ] the Worst Car ever made?

[Kevin Kraly]

Chevy Corvair

I enjoyed the '62 Monza Convertible and the '64 Greenbrier van that we had 
for cruisin' around town.  They definitely had their quirks as old cars do, 
but it was easy to tinker on them.


Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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Re: [MBZ] Next car

[Donald Snook]

Allan wrote: "Do they manage to somehow avoid clogging the radiator and heater 
cores?"

I guess so.  A lot of the techs at the dealership recommend and use them.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] O/T Chevies vrs GMC

[Donald Snook]

Pete wrote: "Pete, who keeps the 1.5L bottle of Makers Marks which was the 
Grand Prize."

WOW! My favorite!  Makers Mark is a tradition at our house.  Every year for 
Christmas, my brother and I give each other a bottle (and a gift subscription 
to Car And Driver)!  I wish I would have known that was the prize, I might have 
googled the answer.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] the Worst Car ever made?

[E M]

What was that old joke, you know you're going to have a really crap day
when, "You find yourself on a Dutch fary, with a Pinto in front of you, and
an Audi 5000 behind you. hee hee

Ed
300E

2008/12/3 Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Randy wrote: "Pretty bad, but I don't know as though I would agree that it
> was the worst. There are certainly a fair number of contenders for that
> title."
>
> Ok maybe there are others that would contend for the Title, but the
> Cimmaron has to be included in the list. I would also add the:
>
> Ford Pinto (only the exploding models - I think the rest were okay junky
> little cars)
> Plymouth Volare the rusted on the show room floor
> Cadillac 8-6-4
> Chevy Corvair
> Ford Edsel
> AMC Gremlin
> Yugo
> Vega
> Renault Alliance (although my Aunt had the convertible version and loved
> it).
>
> My list only includes cars that were sold here. I am sure there are many
> others worldwide.
>
> Donald H. Snook
>
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Re: [MBZ] Next car

[Mitch Haley]

Allan Streib wrote:

http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/934062194.html


When I was 16, I found an ad for a rusty 1963 Caddy Convertible (it was 16 years 
old too). Something like $250, needed a top, rust repair, and who knows what 
else. I thought it was a great idea, my dad knew better, so I missed out on that 
experience. Looking back on it, what my brother wanted for a first car was an 
early Mustang with rusty floors and bad brakes. Dad nixed that too. Mike ended 
up with a really nice powder blue Galaxie 500 Fastback. I ended up buying a '75 
CVCC Civic with a weak 2 speed tranny for $200. Had several unsolicited offers 
for the Honda the first summer I owned it, as high as $600.



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Re: [MBZ] Car buying Calculus was Re: OT 87 Isuzu trooper

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Also, I think GM owns Saab.  Of course, the market presence here in the US 
> is minimal,

You're kidding, right?  Been to the Pacific Northwest or New England
lately?  I see as many older Saabs here as older BMWs or Benzes, and
nearly as many newer ones.  Saab has TREMENDOUS intangible value in
its brand name and heritage, though GM management has done its best to
destroy that as only it can by selling badge-engineered Opels,
Subarus, and Trailblazers as Saabs.  I would expect one of the
emerging-markets players, perhaps Mahindra or Tata, to snap up Saab
sooner or later.  If they're really smart they will buy Volvo from
Ford at the same time and build some fantastic cars with the resulting
critical mass of Scandinavian technology---a sterling safety record,
and the best-driving front-drive chassis besides the Mini.

Alex Chamberlain

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Re: [MBZ] If I were running GM . . .

[Curt Raymond]

Hear hear! Bankruptcy is the only way to save GM in any lasting sense.

My plan would be different, file bankruptcy, close Pontiac, and Buick. Kill 
Chevy trucks, all trucks are now GMC but there will be no separate dealerships, 
GMC will be a business unit of Chevrolet. Saab I haven't decided on, there is a 
rabid Saab following but I'd be curious how much money the line makes.

I'd eliminate most of the cross between Chevy and Cadillac, maybe one or two 
bridge cars but not many. I'd streamline the lines, fewer models done well. I'd 
focus on smaller cars and return to making a small station wagon. 

HAIL the return of the station wagon that American family tradition!

I HATE the Cobalt, everything about it screams cheap. I've never driven one but 
I've sat in an Aveo and been absolutely shocked about how good a cheap crappy 
little car it felt like...

I'm with you on Hyundai making a nice car now. I had an Elantra as a rental and 
really enjoyed it. I'm not with you on GM buying anybody, they need to get 
smaller and better not bigger. If they could steal some of Hyundai's 
management...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:13:09 -0600
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Loren wrote: "If I were running GM, I'd close Brick, Poncho and Jimmy"

If
I were running GM, I would give up on this bailout nonsense and go for
Bankruptcy. Really.  If they took this course, they could break all of
the Union contracts that are killing GM. They could cut wages, cut out
the health care for life, the fairly massive salaries for factory line
workers and could likely emerge as a profitable enterprise.  Before
they do that, though, they should figure out a way to massively
leverage the company (if there is any room left) and buy Hyundai.  I
think Hyundai has a great formula for success right now. They are
making better and better cars, they are showing profit and eating into
Honda and Toyotas dominance.  GM could also learn something about
Hyundai's plan to offer 100,000 mile warranties.

I would also
HEAVILY invest in the smaller cars.  Keep making the Cobalt, but make
the interior finish nicer. I would also continue to partner with Honda
to put Honda engines in the small SUV's. Currently, the Saturn Vue has
a Honda engine in it.  Why not license Honda's excellent 4 and 6
cylinder engines for use in small cars.  Finally, I would beef up the
performance sectors of Cadillac (they are already doing a lot with the
new "V" cars), and also continue to promote the excitement and fun of
Pontiac.  They also need to push the heck out sales of big American
cars like the Park Avenue and the Cadillac Deville to China (they are
already doing this, but need to do more).


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Re: [MBZ] the Worst Car ever made?

[Peter Arnold]

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:59:38 -0600, you wrote:

>Randy wrote: "Pretty bad, but I don't know as though I would agree that it was 
>the worst. There are certainly a fair number of contenders for that title."
>
>Ok maybe there are others that would contend for the Title, but the Cimmaron 
>has to be included in the list. I would also add the:
>
>Ford Pinto (only the exploding models - I think the rest were okay junky 
>little cars)
>Plymouth Volare the rusted on the show room floor
>Cadillac 8-6-4
>Chevy Corvair
We owned a Monza 4spd, 110HP, a great car for us.  Good mileage, easy
to keep it running.  Like most of it's foreign rivals, it would fall
apart if not maintained.
>Ford Edsel
Good car, very wrong time.
>AMC Gremlin
>Yugo
>Vega
>Renault Alliance (although my Aunt had the convertible version and loved it).
>
>My list only includes cars that were sold here. I am sure there are many 
>others worldwide.
>
>Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Opel, here?

[E M]

Yeah, the Cimmaron was probably the most expensive badge ever stuck on a
car.;-) lol

Ed
300E

2008/12/3 gary hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Back in the day, there were a lot of fellas in NYC who would only drive
> caddys and trade them in for a new one every two years.  This process would
> take all of 15 minutes as they'd just buy whatever the salesman told them to
> get.
>
> Then all these guys ended up getting put into cimmarons.  GM pissed on
> their very best customers and ended up losing most of these guys in the
> process
>
>
> --Original Message--
> From: Donald Snook
> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Opel, here?
>
> Allen wrote: "They (GM/Cadillac) also tried selling a Cavalier with leather
> called a "Cinnamon" or something.  Nobody was fooled."
>
> It was the Cimmaron.  See my previous post labeled Worst car ever?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Car buying Calculus was Re: OT 87 Isuzu trooper

[Curt Raymond]

I do.
Remember as George Carlin said (I think it was Carlin anyway) "Think how stupid 
the average American is, then remember half the people are dumber than that!"

I think your average hipster has no idea that Scion is owned by Toyota and 
Acura is owned by Honda and Saturn is owned by GM.

I suspect loads of the hipsters buying the TC would never buy a Camry.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:44:04 -0500
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"Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> Gotta have a hip and trendy line too, Scion has made Toyota a bunch of
> money.

You really think the name, and not the vehicle, is what made the
difference?  The "box on wheels" thing would not have done well if it
had a Toyota badge?

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Re: [MBZ] Next car

[Allan Streib]

"R A Bennell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> Same story. Don't fix it if it still moves forward when in gear. It is an
> old Cadillac. No one expects it to work. 

Speaking of old Cadillacs.

http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/934062194.html



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Re: [MBZ] Opel, here?

[gary hurst]

Back in the day, there were a lot of fellas in NYC who would only drive caddys 
and trade them in for a new one every two years.  This process would take all 
of 15 minutes as they'd just buy whatever the salesman told them to get.

Then all these guys ended up getting put into cimmarons.  GM pissed on their 
very best customers and ended up losing most of these guys in the process


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Allen wrote: "They (GM/Cadillac) also tried selling a Cavalier with leather 
called a "Cinnamon" or something.  Nobody was fooled."

It was the Cimmaron.  See my previous post labeled Worst car ever?

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Re: [MBZ] the Worst Car ever made?

[Donald Snook]

Randy wrote: "Pretty bad, but I don't know as though I would agree that it was 
the worst. There are certainly a fair number of contenders for that title."

Ok maybe there are others that would contend for the Title, but the Cimmaron 
has to be included in the list. I would also add the:

Ford Pinto (only the exploding models - I think the rest were okay junky little 
cars)
Plymouth Volare the rusted on the show room floor
Cadillac 8-6-4
Chevy Corvair
Ford Edsel
AMC Gremlin
Yugo
Vega
Renault Alliance (although my Aunt had the convertible version and loved it).

My list only includes cars that were sold here. I am sure there are many others 
worldwide.

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Re: [MBZ] Next car

[R A Bennell]

Same story. Don't fix it if it still moves forward when in gear. It is an old 
Cadillac. No one expects it to work. 

Randy

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I mis-wrote.  What I meant was the cost of  fixing things that break.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:46 PM, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Maintenance? On a 15 year old Cadillac that cost less than $2K? No worries
> man. Just drive it for a while and sell
> it to someone else. Why worry about maintenance? It is not like it is an
> old MB or something that one might wish to
> keep.
>
> Randy (who is not REALLY tongue in cheek on that one)
>
> -Original Message-
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>
>
> It will  be interesting to learn what the maintenance costs are...
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Randy wrote: "Boy, when I saw "next car" I just assumed it was Snook
> > again."
> >
> > Not yet, I still love the Cadillac.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Opel, here?

[Donald Snook]

Allen wrote: "They (GM/Cadillac) also tried selling a Cavalier with leather 
called a "Cinnamon" or something.  Nobody was fooled."

It was the Cimmaron.  See my previous post labeled Worst car ever?

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Re: [MBZ] Next car

[Allan Streib]

"Donald Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> Allen wrote: "GM Coolant pellets"  ?? what are these?
> 
> GM makes these little pellets I don't know what they are made of, but you
> crush them with a hammer and put them in the radiator.  They are supposed
> to accomplish the same thing as Bars Leak (and other similar products). 
> A lot of Cadillac owners with the 4.1, 4.5, 4.9 and Northstar use them as
> a preventative measure for minor leaks.  My car doesn't have any leaks,
> but they cost about $5 and offer some measure of extra protection for
> water pump, intake gasket, or head gasket leaks.

Do they manage to somehow avoid clogging the radiator and heater cores?

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Re: [MBZ] Next car

[Donald Snook]

Allen wrote: "GM Coolant pellets"  ?? what are these?

GM makes these little pellets I don't know what they are made of, but you crush 
them with a hammer and put them in the radiator.  They are supposed to 
accomplish the same thing as Bars Leak (and other similar products).  A lot of 
Cadillac owners with the 4.1, 4.5, 4.9 and Northstar use them as a preventative 
measure for minor leaks.  My car doesn't have any leaks, but they cost about $5 
and offer some measure of extra protection for water pump, intake gasket, or 
head gasket leaks.


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Re: [MBZ] Next car

[andrew strasfogel]

I mis-wrote.  What I meant was the cost of  fixing things that break.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:46 PM, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Maintenance? On a 15 year old Cadillac that cost less than $2K? No worries
> man. Just drive it for a while and sell
> it to someone else. Why worry about maintenance? It is not like it is an
> old MB or something that one might wish to
> keep.
>
> Randy (who is not REALLY tongue in cheek on that one)
>
> -Original Message-
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>
>
> It will  be interesting to learn what the maintenance costs are...
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Randy wrote: "Boy, when I saw "next car" I just assumed it was Snook
> > again."
> >
> > Not yet, I still love the Cadillac.
> >
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[MBZ] O/T Chevies vrs GMC

[PM7088]

No takers on this?  I'm surprised.

Shared engine design, stovebolt 6.   GMC's had oil pumps, Chevies were splash 
lubed.

Nice to be old sometimes.

Pete, who keeps the 1.5L bottle of Makers Marks which was the Grand Prize.



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> Anybody remember what the functional difference between a Chevy and GMC truck 
> was 60 years ago?
> Hint;  What made GMC a 'Premium' Chevrolet?
> 
> Pete
> 
> 
>  -- Original message --
> From: Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > GMC Truck was merged with White years ago.  Volvo bought White 
> > GMC.  White used to make Freightliner, and when Freightliner went 
> > independent, White struggled.  DB courted White for a while, but 
> > failed to buy White.  White then merged with GMC.  Ford sold the 
> > Louisville line to DB, and it was renamed Sterling.  DB bought 
> > Freightliner.  Ford bought Volvo.
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Andrew's recycling

[andrew strasfogel]

Hey Rich,

You're gettting warmer - this is great research.  I enjoy the luxury of my
own personal think tank.



On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Rich Thomas <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I think you need to add worms as an intermediate step.  They love coffee
> grounds and whatever else.  I found my compost bin full of them the other
> day, I guess in there keeping warm.
>
> http://www.terracycle.net/story.htm
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Re: [MBZ] Opel, here?

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I used to have a sweet Cadet wagon, several Mantas and almost a gt.  They were 
fun little cars, rusted bad here in all of the salt.  Had to hold one subframe 
together with bumper jacks and seatbelts to get it homelol  Guy on the 
other side of the lake has a 502 BB Chevy in a GT.fastest regged street car 
in NY he claims

Mike
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Opel, here?

> ...If I saw "Opel" for sale here I'd definitely check them out...
> 
GM tried that, called it the Catera, and it flopped.

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] M119 broken timing chain

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

hell, maybe I should just take a chance and go after it this weekend anyway.

Tom Savage wrote:

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Well as a matter of fact said car is up your way, which does not mean 
you can steal it out from under me.  Im fixing to break my buying 
freeze I think.  The guy bought it off a bank, who repoed it when the 
owner quit paying.  I guess they blew it up.  It only has 144k on it. 
Guy said if you pull the air cleaner the cam case is cracked.  Im 
figuring this to mean the valve covers are cracked from a broken 
timing chain.  He said it turns over fine but he has not tried to 
start it.


Interesting.  The air cleaner doesn't really obscure the timing chest, 
where a broken chain would hit.  I'll try to make it out there and have 
a peek.  That has got to be a new world record for cheapest 140.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] Opel, here?

[Allan Streib]

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:35:54 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

> > ...If I saw "Opel" for sale here I'd definitely check them out...
> > 
> GM tried that, called it the Catera, and it flopped.

But it was badged as a Cadillac, not an "Opel", so anyone who knew what
an Opel was and might be interested never checked it out.  They also
made it heavier with luxury accessories and softened the suspension, so
it felt like driving a La-Z-Boy not a Euro sedan.

They also tried selling a Cavalier with leather called a "Cinnamon" or
something.  Nobody was fooled.

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Re: [MBZ] the Worst Car ever made?

[R A Bennell]

Pretty bad, but I don't know as though I would agree that it was the worst. 
There are certainly a fair number of
contenders for that title.

Randy

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http://tiny.cc/Q5488

One reason GM lost some customers!

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[MBZ] the Worst Car ever made?

[Donald Snook]

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Re: [MBZ] Opel, here?

[RELNGSON]

> ...If I saw "Opel" for sale here I'd definitely check them out...
> 
GM tried that, called it the Catera, and it flopped.

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] Next car

[R A Bennell]

Maintenance? On a 15 year old Cadillac that cost less than $2K? No worries man. 
Just drive it for a while and sell
it to someone else. Why worry about maintenance? It is not like it is an old MB 
or something that one might wish to
keep.

Randy (who is not REALLY tongue in cheek on that one)

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It will  be interesting to learn what the maintenance costs are...

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Randy wrote: "Boy, when I saw "next car" I just assumed it was Snook
> again."
>
> Not yet, I still love the Cadillac.
>
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Re: [MBZ] if I were running GM

[Donald Snook]

I must be prophetic!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28030726


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Re: [MBZ] If I were running GM . . .

[Peter Frederick]

GM's problems are, and have been as long as I've known anything about them, 
exceedingly poor management.  The reason their cars cost so much to make isn't 
the union contracts, but sloppy design, bad parts, badly planned and executed 
assembly, their notorious penny pinching, ancient equipment, and gross overload 
of un-needed and incompetent managerial staff run by financial people instead 
of engineers.

If they has spend half of what they spend every year on lobbying to prevent EPA 
milage limits on engine research and design they would have met all the 
mandated mileage increases and then some, and raised their profits quite a bit 
at the time.

My brother left GM shortly after he joined them -- no hope of the company 
surviving long term.  After all, they never managed to respond the the VW 
Bettle with an adequate automobile, and that showed up in 1949 for heaven's 
sake.

The only way I would ever give them a dime is for them to build NEW 
manufacturing facilities on the site of the old ones, using their own Union 
workers, reduce their management head count by at least 80%, and pay GS scale 
for salaried jobs.  No perks, no bonuses, no stock options (which should be 
illegal anyway).  Welcome to reality!

Would that work?  Probably at least as well as propping up the South Vietmanese 
Government in the 1960s.

Peter

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>From: Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Dec 3, 2008 12:56 PM
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>Subject: Re: [MBZ] If I were running GM . . .
>
>i don't think anyone wants "change", snook.  they just want business as
>usual and would like someone else to supply the money.
>
>On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Loren wrote: "If I were running GM, I'd close Brick, Poncho and Jimmy"
>>
>> If I were running GM, I would give up on this bailout nonsense and go for
>> Bankruptcy. Really.  If they took this course, they could break all of the
>> Union contracts that are killing GM. They could cut wages, cut out the
>> health care for life, the fairly massive salaries for factory line workers
>> and could likely emerge as a profitable enterprise.  Before they do that,
>> though, they should figure out a way to massively leverage the company (if
>> there is any room left) and buy Hyundai.  I think Hyundai has a great
>> formula for success right now. They are making better and better cars, they
>> are showing profit and eating into Honda and Toyotas dominance.  GM could
>> also learn something about Hyundai's plan to offer 100,000 mile warranties.
>>
>> I would also HEAVILY invest in the smaller cars.  Keep making the Cobalt,
>> but make the interior finish nicer. I would also continue to partner with
>> Honda to put Honda engines in the small SUV's. Currently, the Saturn Vue has
>> a Honda engine in it.  Why not license Honda's excellent 4 and 6 cylinder
>> engines for use in small cars.  Finally, I would beef up the performance
>> sectors of Cadillac (they are already doing a lot with the new "V" cars),
>> and also continue to promote the excitement and fun of Pontiac.  They also
>> need to push the heck out sales of big American cars like the Park Avenue
>> and the Cadillac Deville to China (they are already doing this, but need to
>> do more).
>>
>>
>> Donald H. Snook
>>
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[MBZ] OT Andrew's recycling

[Rich Thomas]

I think you need to add worms as an intermediate step.  They love coffee 
grounds and whatever else.  I found my compost bin full of them the 
other day, I guess in there keeping warm.


http://www.terracycle.net/story.htm

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Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes

[Rich Thomas]

I quit going to HD a few years ago after they refused to replace a 
lifetime guarantee router bit (satisfaction guaranteed!  free 
replacement!), $20, and the parking lot started filling up with nails 
and trash (cutback on sweeping) and Mexicans aggressively begging for 
work.  I took my considerable business to Lowes.  I think the pres of HD 
cashed out for hundreds of million$ after the company tanked, he's now 
begging in DC after a stellar job at one of the car companies.  I keep 
trying to figure out how to get a job like that, so far no luck.


The $10 tool sets seem pretty good, the locking pliers' screws are a bit 
rough, but at $2.50 each I can't complain.  The slip joint pliers are 
pretty nice.  All have good grippy rubber handles and lifetime no 
questions asked free replacement at Lowes.


--R

andrew strasfogel wrote:

Home Despot had some pretty amazing bargains in their main aisle (not the
tool corral).  Like std. or metric ratchet sets for $10 or a nice little
stubby combo (1/4" and 3/8" drive)ratchet for $5.  Great quality, too.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

  

I never look at lowes tools anymore.  They have always been high priced.  I
guess they changed to a chinese supplier.  Maybe I should look again.


At 09:51 AM 12/3/2008, you wrote:



Lowes has some good deals on tools until Dec 8.  3-pack of Kobalt slip
joint pliers (nice rubber handles), 4 pack of locking pliers, and some
others, for $10.  I kinda like their tools, the handles are easy on the
hands, and they seem pretty solid.  Better than the HF stuff, prices not
much different.  They might be $5 next week, who knows with prices these
days.

--R

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Re: [MBZ] Next car

[Allan Streib]

"Donald Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> GM Coolant pellets

?? what are these?

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Re: [MBZ] Next car

[Donald Snook]

Andrew wrote: "It will  be interesting to learn what the maintenance costs 
are..."

It will be interesting, you are right. But, I suspect it will be interesting in 
the sense that maintenance is lower than expected.  The one common failure on 
the 4.9 L engine in my car is the water pump - which was just replaced by the 
seller.  Otherwise, it is typical GM stuff. It will need an alternator every 
50-60,000 miles (which is easy to change and not very expensive). I am getting 
the transmission "flush" today for $79. I think I can do the brakes, if 
necessary, but they look pretty good.  The spark plugs have been changed 
recently as was the fuel filter.  Unless something catastrophic happens (knock 
wood), it should be a fairly low maintenance vehicle for the next 1-2 years (at 
least during my ownership).

I am also going to do my own coolant flush this weekend (making sure there is 
NO more Dex cool junk in it) and I think I will use the G-05 and will add the 
GM Coolant pellets also.

Donald H. Snook


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Re: [MBZ] Just another day...

[andrew strasfogel]

Well, if it doesn't come this week I guess that means it's still sitting in
OK.


On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Yea, I said I would
>
> andrew strasfogel wrote:
>
>> Kaleb, you were going to check whether the SR I ordered had been shipped.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >wrote:
>>
>> Well, now its getting cold so i desperatly need to clean out my garage so
>>> I
>>> can get cars in there to work on during the winter
>>>
>>> Luther wrote:
>>>
>>> You HAVE a 2.5 IF you'll get off your lazy arse and INSTALL THE ENGINE!
  Sheesh.

 Luther

 Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

 I need that 2.5
>
> John Robbins wrote:
>
> Working on the MB's.
>>
>> The E300 and SDL (hood up) are a friend's...
>>
>> John
>>
>> --
>
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 '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast
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Re: [MBZ] Car buying Calculus was Re: OT 87 Isuzu trooper

[Donald Snook]

Loren wrote: "the light and medium Chev/GMC trucks are the same except the 
badges."

That is not quite true.  There are some GMC only features and options.  But, 
you are right for the most part, they are identical.  One other difference is 
the dealership. When we had GMC, we had customers who refused to buy a chevy 
because they hated the Chevy dealer.  MOST GMC dealerships are also paired with 
Pontiac Dealership IF a local dealer does not have all of the lines i.e. Chevy, 
Pontiac, Cadillac, and GMC.


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Re: [MBZ] Tools at Lowes

[andrew strasfogel]

Home Despot had some pretty amazing bargains in their main aisle (not the
tool corral).  Like std. or metric ratchet sets for $10 or a nice little
stubby combo (1/4" and 3/8" drive)ratchet for $5.  Great quality, too.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I never look at lowes tools anymore.  They have always been high priced.  I
> guess they changed to a chinese supplier.  Maybe I should look again.
>
>
> At 09:51 AM 12/3/2008, you wrote:
>
>> Lowes has some good deals on tools until Dec 8.  3-pack of Kobalt slip
>> joint pliers (nice rubber handles), 4 pack of locking pliers, and some
>> others, for $10.  I kinda like their tools, the handles are easy on the
>> hands, and they seem pretty solid.  Better than the HF stuff, prices not
>> much different.  They might be $5 next week, who knows with prices these
>> days.
>>
>> --R
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Re: [MBZ] Next car

[andrew strasfogel]

It will  be interesting to learn what the maintenance costs are...

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Randy wrote: "Boy, when I saw "next car" I just assumed it was Snook
> again."
>
> Not yet, I still love the Cadillac.
>
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Re: [MBZ] If I were running GM . . .

[Gary Hurst]

i don't think anyone wants "change", snook.  they just want business as
usual and would like someone else to supply the money.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Loren wrote: "If I were running GM, I'd close Brick, Poncho and Jimmy"
>
> If I were running GM, I would give up on this bailout nonsense and go for
> Bankruptcy. Really.  If they took this course, they could break all of the
> Union contracts that are killing GM. They could cut wages, cut out the
> health care for life, the fairly massive salaries for factory line workers
> and could likely emerge as a profitable enterprise.  Before they do that,
> though, they should figure out a way to massively leverage the company (if
> there is any room left) and buy Hyundai.  I think Hyundai has a great
> formula for success right now. They are making better and better cars, they
> are showing profit and eating into Honda and Toyotas dominance.  GM could
> also learn something about Hyundai's plan to offer 100,000 mile warranties.
>
> I would also HEAVILY invest in the smaller cars.  Keep making the Cobalt,
> but make the interior finish nicer. I would also continue to partner with
> Honda to put Honda engines in the small SUV's. Currently, the Saturn Vue has
> a Honda engine in it.  Why not license Honda's excellent 4 and 6 cylinder
> engines for use in small cars.  Finally, I would beef up the performance
> sectors of Cadillac (they are already doing a lot with the new "V" cars),
> and also continue to promote the excitement and fun of Pontiac.  They also
> need to push the heck out sales of big American cars like the Park Avenue
> and the Cadillac Deville to China (they are already doing this, but need to
> do more).
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] If I were running GM . . .

[Rich Thomas]

http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2008/12/02/mean-street-why-gm-is-doomed/

Allan Streib wrote:

"Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

  
But we need to support the UAW members who have worked and are working 
so hard for their pay and benefits!  Are you forgetting these people?



Oh I forgot, it's OK to take my pay and benefits so that someone else
who's ALREADY BEEN PAID for their work can get more.

I know, let's just set standard salaries for everyone, and fix the
prices of goods and services so that everyone can afford what they need.
 I wonder why nobody's ever tried that before?  Sounds fair to me.


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Re: [MBZ] If I were running GM . . .

[E M]

Trying to. hee hee.

Ed
300E

2008/12/3 Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> But we need to support the UAW members who have worked and are working so
> hard for their pay and benefits!  Are you forgetting these people?
>
> --R
>
>
> Allan Streib wrote:
>
>> "Donald Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>>
>>
>>
>>> If I were running GM, I would give up on this bailout nonsense and go for
>>> Bankruptcy. Really.  If they took this course, they could break all of
>>> the Union contracts that are killing GM. They could cut wages, cut out
>>> the health care for life, the fairly massive salaries for factory line
>>> workers and could likely emerge as a profitable enterprise.  Before they
>>> do that, though, they should figure out a way to massively leverage the
>>> company (if there is any room left) and buy Hyundai.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Since they claim they will be out of cash before the end of the year
>> unless they get $4 billion NOW, I can't see how they could possibly pull
>> of an acquisition.
>>
>> A more likely scenario would be Hyundai cherry picking the assets of GM
>> that are still worth something, buying those, and the remainder of the
>> company could just go into Chapter 7.
>>
>> Allan
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