date:20090109

Link? Is this a path to free software?

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 11:18 PM, OK Don  wrote:

>  I'm about to finish downloading Windows 7
> beta in both x86 and x64 varieties.
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Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, who is my...@netscape.net

2009-01-09 Thread OK Don

Yup - my TV still has a tube - as do my monitors.
To counter my backward ways, I'm about to finish downloading Windows 7
beta in both x86 and x64 varieties. Can't beat the cheap thrills of
beta S/W from M$!
No crackberry here either - too much email as it is, without carrying
it around with me.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Wonko the Sane  wrote:
> You won't get there until you get an HDTV and a Blackberry (neither of which
> I own).
>

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Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, who is my...@netscape.net

Witht that barn-size television that dominates your living room?

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> Im still stuck in the 80's but slowly working up to the 90's
>
> OK Don wrote:
>
>> I don't think I've made it to the 21st. century yet ---
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Wonko the Sane 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You are going to be so embarrassed about doing that! Proves that you too
>>> are
>>> stuck in 2004.
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database:
>>> 270.10.5/1884 - Release Date: 1/9/2009 8:38 AM
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>  84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D,
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Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, who is my...@netscape.net


Im still stuck in the 80's but slowly working up to the 90's

OK Don wrote:

I don't think I've made it to the 21st. century yet ---

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Wonko the Sane  wrote:

You are going to be so embarrassed about doing that! Proves that you too are
stuck in 2004.





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Re: [MBZ] OT - maple syrup

The jugs have Simpson's Sugar Shack labels.  'Talked to Mrs. Simpson several
days ago.  She told me about Max's tractor pulling.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: "Mitch Haley" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - maple syrup


> Wilton Strickland wrote:
> > 'Received maple syrup from Simpson's Sugar Shack, Charlotte, MI, this
> > afternoon.  'Couldn't wait for pancakes or waffles; 'made couple pieces
of
> > toast as substitute waffles, poured some syrup over 'em in a plate and
> > enjoyed some mighty (that's Southern for very) fine tasting syrup.  Plan
to
> > get appropriate pancakes and waffles tomorrow.  Thanks, Mitch
> > 'Said to SWMBO while I was sampling my maple syrup toast, "We can have
the
> > Simpsons send some syrup for Christmas gifts this year."
>
> Did Max have Simpson's Sugar Shack shipping labels, or did Simpson
Performance
> (hot rod tractor shop) ship it to you?
> Max Simpson is semi-famous in tractor pulling competition circles, I
forgot to
> tell Wilton that.
>
> Hey, Spudboy and Rolf, if you ever want a load sensitive water injection
system,
> there's a guy here in Charlotte, Michigan that makes a good one.
>
> Mitch.
>
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Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

Tried it, but when I try to go back to one of those it doesn't work.  I
think it might have on a backup of one or two days, but I think even then I
had to reinstall everything.
BillR

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On Behalf Of MG
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 9:18 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

Bill, You have to look back to an earlier month to find the last restore 
point. The dates that have restore points are in bold numbers. Also most 
installs and uninstalls of programs also set restore pointer.

Manfred

Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:31:27 -0500
From: "Bill R" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

Loren - I use XP, which does not have 'backup.' It has a system restore
feature, which I have set a few times, but any time I have needed it
  there
has not been a restore point even though I have created several.
   Should I
use one available on the internet?
BillR

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Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

Thus far I have been happier and had better luck with the free Avast!
program and automatic daily updates than the professional version of Norton
security provided to all the home computers by my wife's company.  Let me
know how the Avira lasts just in case.
BillR

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Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 9:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

Do you have the latest virus definitions or just the ones it came with 
originally. I just recently installed Avira personal which is also free. 
Don't know if this is a false positive find or not.

Manfred



Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:17:57 -0500
From: "Bill R" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive


I downloaded and ran it with no problems. I use Avast! free home
  computer
protection. It listed the key for all my MS stuff and a couple of other
things.
BillR

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Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, who is my...@netscape.net

You won't get there until you get an HDTV and a Blackberry (neither of which
I own).

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 9:09 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> I don't think I've made it to the 21st. century yet ---
>
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Wonko the Sane  wrote:
> > You are going to be so embarrassed about doing that! Proves that you too
> are
> > stuck in 2004.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 190d 2.2L w/Automatic - too slow?


Tyler wrote:

I think that manual cars are equipped with some sort of device
to smooth out the fuel delivery as to prevent the car from bucking hard...
Anyone know more about this?


Yep, Jim Cathey had to put the throttle shock absorber on his IP. Probably has a 
page on his web site devoted to it.


Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] OT - maple syrup


Wilton Strickland wrote:

'Received maple syrup from Simpson's Sugar Shack, Charlotte, MI, this
afternoon.  'Couldn't wait for pancakes or waffles; 'made couple pieces of
toast as substitute waffles, poured some syrup over 'em in a plate and
enjoyed some mighty (that's Southern for very) fine tasting syrup.  Plan to
get appropriate pancakes and waffles tomorrow.  Thanks, Mitch
'Said to SWMBO while I was sampling my maple syrup toast, "We can have the
Simpsons send some syrup for Christmas gifts this year."


Did Max have Simpson's Sugar Shack shipping labels, or did Simpson Performance 
(hot rod tractor shop) ship it to you?
Max Simpson is semi-famous in tractor pulling competition circles, I forgot to 
tell Wilton that.


Hey, Spudboy and Rolf, if you ever want a load sensitive water injection system, 
there's a guy here in Charlotte, Michigan that makes a good one.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, who is my...@netscape.net

2009-01-09 Thread OK Don

I don't think I've made it to the 21st. century yet ---

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Wonko the Sane  wrote:
> You are going to be so embarrassed about doing that! Proves that you too are
> stuck in 2004.
>
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[MBZ] 1978 240D craigslist ad


http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/986790643.html

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula

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Re: [MBZ] this is a test


Kaleb wrote: you failed

Hahahahaha!  I'm glad it's sorted out now.

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

2009-01-09 Thread MG

Bill, You have to look back to an earlier month to find the last restore 
point. The dates that have restore points are in bold numbers. Also most 
installs and uninstalls of programs also set restore pointer.


Manfred



Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:31:27 -0500
From: "Bill R" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

Loren - I use XP, which does not have 'backup.' It has a system restore
feature, which I have set a few times, but any time I have needed it
 there
has not been a restore point even though I have created several.
  Should I
use one available on the internet?
BillR

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Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

2009-01-09 Thread MG

Do you have the latest virus definitions or just the ones it came with 
originally. I just recently installed Avira personal which is also free. 
Don't know if this is a false positive find or not.


Manfred



Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:17:57 -0500
From: "Bill R" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive


I downloaded and ran it with no problems. I use Avast! free home
 computer
protection. It listed the key for all my MS stuff and a couple of other
things.
BillR

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[MBZ] OT - maple syrup

'Received maple syrup from Simpson's Sugar Shack, Charlotte, MI, this
afternoon.  'Couldn't wait for pancakes or waffles; 'made couple pieces of
toast as substitute waffles, poured some syrup over 'em in a plate and
enjoyed some mighty (that's Southern for very) fine tasting syrup.  Plan to
get appropriate pancakes and waffles tomorrow.  Thanks, Mitch
'Said to SWMBO while I was sampling my maple syrup toast, "We can have the
Simpsons send some syrup for Christmas gifts this year."

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 190d 2.2L w/Automatic - too slow?

My understanding is that most of the parts for the swap can be obtained
from a gasoline manual 190D. You might still need a diesel flywheel and
rear diff...

Also, I've noticed that 190D injector pumps provide a very rough
transition between coasting and power, as the fuel is suddenly turned on
and off to the engine as if it were shut off when you let off the
throttle. I think that manual cars are equipped with some sort of device
to smooth out the fuel delivery as to prevent the car from bucking hard...
Anyone know more about this?

I want to convert my 190DT to manual, once I find a suitable parts donor
in the junkyard, so I've started researching it a bit, and there are
several people out there that have already done the conversion.

Tyler

> I'm considering purchasing a '84 190D 2.2L with a bad automatic
> transmission.  I've never driven a 190D 2.2L but I hear they are quite
> slow, especially for town driving.  We currently have an '84 300D and I
> really don't want anything slower than the 300D.  Would converting the
> 190D to a 5 speed manual make a big difference in acceleration?  I've
> driven 240D manuals and automatics and the manual car was acceptable but
> the automatic was too slow.  Anyone know what is involved to convert the
> 190D auto to a manual?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Terry Geiger
> www.GeigerGarage.com


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Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

That one I have for sure.  I'll check it out.
Thanks
BillR
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I have only one thought on this thread and its the windows FAST. Which is 
the Files And Settings Transfer. This is on the install cd you are able to 
use this and burn copy to a thumb drive or cd. This is what you want to 
transfer. I have used it and it works..

Douglas 


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[MBZ] FINALLY !!!

Our son called us tonight to let us know that the two month "Yankee White"
background check [which can take as much as six months these days] was
finally completed and he has a start date with the White House
Communications Office  [he was told the 19th, which is a holiday, so he
expects to start on the following Monday after the inauguration].  That is a
big relief for him, as the job offer came on 11/11 and he has just been
waiting around in an empty apartment he leased up there.  He is finally
buying furniture and getting set up in his apartment.  Sue and I are flying
up in early Feb. to see the new place and DC.   Not a bad gig at all for a
25 YO's first civilian job after leaving the USAF.

BillR, Proud Dad

 

 

 

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Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

2009-01-09 Thread Douglas

I have only one thought on this thread and its the windows FAST. Which is 
the Files And Settings Transfer. This is on the install cd you are able to 
use this and burn copy to a thumb drive or cd. This is what you want to 
transfer. I have used it and it works..


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Re: [MBZ] New repair DVD's available

2009-01-09 Thread Craig McCluskey

On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:14:49 -0600 John Robbins  wrote:

> I called the 800 number to get my W211 DVD a while back.

What's the 800 number?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 190d 2.2L w/Automatic - too slow?

2009-01-09 Thread Craig McCluskey

On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:30:40 -0600 "Terry Geiger"
 wrote:

> Would converting the 190D to a 5 speed manual make a big difference in
> acceleration? 

I don't know the answer to that.

> I've driven 240D manuals and automatics and the manual car was
> acceptable but the automatic was too slow. 

You can manually shift the 240D automatic through the gears -- it's a lot
faster that way. Just be careful in shifting to "L" and then slowing down
-- that's what broke our 240D automatic.

> Anyone know what is involved to convert the 190D auto to a manual?

When our 240D's automatic transmission broke, I converted it to a 300D
with a manual transmission. Much better.

It's a lot of work. You need to change the flywheel and match-balance the
new one to the old (I did not on an OM617 and got away with it), put a
pilot bearing in the end of the crankshaft, mount the clutch plates to the
new flywheel, mate the transmission to the engine, change the rear support
member's location (and maybe the rear support member), change the
driveshaft, and change the differential (at least for 240D -> 300D). You
also need to get the pedal hanger and other hardware to operate the
clutch.

It helps to have a parts car available that's in the configuration to
which you want to change your car. I did.

Seeing

> www.GeigerGarage.com,

however, it seems you're up to the challenge.

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, who is my...@netscape.net

You are going to be so embarrassed about doing that! Proves that you too are
stuck in 2004.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 3:47 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> Ask - one is on it's way.
>
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:20 AM, LWB250  wrote:
> > For that matter, what does one have to do to get a GMail invite?
> >
> > I always wondered about that, not that I need another email addy, but
> >
> > Dan
>
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Re: [MBZ] Autoworkers

Not very far at all.  And between those two Chev dealers, is a Ford dealer,
a Chrysler dealer, a Toyota dealer, a Honda dealer, and oh yeah, more places
selling used Mercedes than I can count.  I suspect I'll stumble into one of
them before I make it as far as the next Chev dealer. ;-)

Ed
300E

2009/1/9 Mitch Haley 

> Here in the states, we can just go two miles down the street to the next GM
> dealership. How far is your next nearest Chebby dealer?
> Mitch.
>
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Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

I downloaded each of the two options on the MS site, and neither would work;
I went to the other site and it will not display on my computer.  I think I
need to be more diligent about backing up my files on the second drive.
BillR 

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Thanks Scott.  I have downloaded and will give this a try.  I don't recall
if I have the service packs on this one or not.
BillR

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Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 3:16 PM
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See: 

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=7da725e2-8b69-4c65-
afa3-2a53107d54a7&displaylang=en

or

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2005.05.ntbackup.aspx

I seem to recall that backup did not come with XP Home originally but was
part of one of the Service Pack updates (or was that ME?)

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Bill R
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 12:36
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

I'm adding all the management and file tools, so we will see what shows up.
Every possible Windows part has been added and still no backup program.
BillR


-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:03 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

that is a good idea.

At 08:52 AM 1/9/2009, you wrote:
>go into add/remove programs,then select windows options or something 
>like that, gives you a list of all the optional windows parts that 
>are installed.  Perhaps its just not selected.
>
>Bill R wrote:
>>Perhaps the problem is that mine is the Home Edition, not the Pro.  I can
>>get to system tools easily enough, but there is no 'backup' choice. I am
>>doing a search for the ntbackup.exe file at the moment ... no luck there
>>either.
>>BillR
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Re: [MBZ] Autoworkers


E M wrote:

I don't argue or haggle, I look at their asking price, make what I feel is a
reasonable out the door offer and leave it on the table for 1-2 days.

What can I say, I was happy to give them a cheque for $16,000, and I felt
that would have also given him a reasonable commission.


And you learned that they'd rather sit around playing euchre until they get laid 
off from their jobs than to deal with you. I don't think I'd set foot in that 
particular shop again. Here in the states, we can just go two miles down the 
street to the next GM dealership. How far is your next nearest Chebby dealer?


One method I've wanted to try is just bypass the salescritters entirely.
Get the name of the mew car manager or the fleet sales manager, and the fax 
number. Do this for every Brand X dealership within 100 miles or so. Send them 
all a nice fax at 8AM: "I am going to buy a HHR with the following options 
today. _ I am sending this fax to several dealers. Please respond with your 
best price."


The last new purchase I was involved with, there was a Dodge dealer advertising 
1.5% below invoice less incentives plus advertising surcharge on special orders.
I faxed the options list to that dealer's fleet manager, he faxed me the order 
sheet and price quote, and I gave it to my father. Dad wasn't too keen on buying 
from a dealer 80 miles away, even with free driveway delivery, so he went to a 
dealer 20 miles away and they ended up selling him one for invoice with free 
lifetime oil changes. So he paid $300 more, but they change his oil, with Mopar 
filter, every three months or 3,000 miles. So far he's gotten about 25 oil 
changes for that $300.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 190d 2.2L w/Automatic - too slow?

Yea they are slow but not too bad once you get used to it.  Converting 
to a 5 speed would be a big job.  It would require basically you have 
another 5 speed car sitting next to it so you can swap everything over.


Terry Geiger wrote:

I'm considering purchasing a '84 190D 2.2L with a bad automatic transmission.  
I've never driven a 190D 2.2L but I hear they are quite slow, especially for 
town driving.  We currently have an '84 300D and I really don't want anything 
slower than the 300D.  Would converting the 190D to a 5 speed manual make a big 
difference in acceleration?  I've driven 240D manuals and automatics and the 
manual car was acceptable but the automatic was too slow.  Anyone know what is 
involved to convert the 190D auto to a manual?

Thanks in advance,

Terry Geiger
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[MBZ] Mercedes 190d 2.2L w/Automatic - too slow?

2009-01-09 Thread Terry Geiger

I'm considering purchasing a '84 190D 2.2L with a bad automatic transmission.  
I've never driven a 190D 2.2L but I hear they are quite slow, especially for 
town driving.  We currently have an '84 300D and I really don't want anything 
slower than the 300D.  Would converting the 190D to a 5 speed manual make a big 
difference in acceleration?  I've driven 240D manuals and automatics and the 
manual car was acceptable but the automatic was too slow.  Anyone know what is 
involved to convert the 190D auto to a manual?

Thanks in advance,

Terry Geiger
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I received the following from a couple of sources (which makes it
particularly suspect) but some of you seem to have an inside perspective on
the Detroit auto industry and may want to comment. Also, in my experience
"labor cost" is 1.5x to 2x what employees actually receive in salary.

I'm still trying to verify the facts, but I think it is close,

According to Forbes:

Labor cost per hour, wages and benefits for hourly workers.

Ford: $70.51 ($141,020 per year)

GM: $73.26 ($146,520 per year)

Chrysler: $75.86 ($151,720 per year)

Toyota, Honda, Nissan (in U.S.): $48.00 ($96,000 per year)

According to AAUP and IES, the average annual compensation for a college
professor in 2006 was $92,973 (average salary nationally of $73,207 + 27%
benefits).

Bottom Line: The average UAW worker with a high school diploma earns 57.6%
more compensation than the average university professor with a Ph.D., and
52.6% more than the average worker at Toyota, Honda or Nissan.

Many industry analysts say the Detroit Three, need be on par with Toyota and
Honda to compete/survive. This year's contract, they say, must be
"transformational" in reducing pension and health care costs.

What would "transformational" mean? One way to think about
"transformational" would mean that UAW workers, most with a high school
diploma, would have to accept compensation equal to that of the average
university professor with a PhD.

Then there's the "Job Bank"

When a D3 (Detroit 3 carmaker) lays an employee off, that employee continues
to receive all benefits - medical, retirement, etc., etc., PLUS an hourly
wage of $31/hour.

Here's a typical story

Ken Pool is making good money. On weekdays, he shows up at 7 a.m. at Ford
Motor Co.'s Michigan Truck Plant in Wayne, signs in, and then starts working
-- on a crossword puzzle. Pool hates the monotony, but the pay is good: more
than $31 an hour, plus benefits.

"We just go in and play crossword puzzles, watch videos that someone brings
in or read the newspaper," he says. "Otherwise, I just sit."

Pool is one of more than 12,000 American autoworkers who, instead of
installing windshields or bending sheet metal, spend their days counting the
hours in a jobs bank set up by Detroit automakers as demanded by the United
Auto Workers Union - UAW - as part of an extraordinary job security
agreement.

Now the D3 wants Joe Taxpayer to pick up this tab in a $25 Billion bailout
package - soon to be increased to $45 Billion if Nancy Pelosi and Hillary
Clinton have their way.

The "Big 3" want this money - not to build better autos. No. They want it to
pay the tab for Medical and Retirement benefits for RETIRED auto workers.
Not ONE PENNY would be used to make them more competitive, or to improve the
quality of their cars.

We ALL have problems paying for our Medical Insurance - but the Democrat
leaders in Congress now want us to pay the Medical Insurance premiums of
folks who have RETIRED from Ford, GM and Chrysler.

Not a good deal for us.

How about Chapter 11 - and getting rid of these ridiculous union contracts?

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Re: [MBZ] this is a test


you failed

Kevin Kraly wrote:

I've been having problems sending mail, so I hope this goes through.
klatta klatta klatta!

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Re: [MBZ] this is a test

ATTABOY!!

Wilton

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Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] this is a test


> I found the problem.  It appears that the message sending unit was faulty.
> Rather than paying $579.97 to the Mercedes-Benz Stealership, I fixed it on
> my own! :D
>
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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Re: [MBZ] Autoworkers

Admin fee my etc.!  $500 to fill out a bill of sale and title application
that they have to fill out anyway, and these days they should be able to
punch a coupla buttons for a computer to spit 'em out.  When I bought my
showroom 124 few years ago, I finally got 'im to come down a measly $200;
made the deal, walked across the room to his desk, and the SOB tacked it
back on as admin fee.  'Made me damned mad.  Like I said, "Admin fee my
etc.!!!  Tell 'em where they can shove it.

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Autoworkers


> Well, I tried to do my bit and help, I really did.  Last week as you know,
I
> walked into a Chev dealer, test drove a year old, 39,000 kms Uplander that
> they were asking $15,988 for.  Ok, I said to the guy, I'll give you your
> price, $16,000 in face, and you take care of the taxes 12% and stick a
plate
> on it, $100, and I'll write you a check.  I'll leave the offer on the
table
> for a day or so, you go and check with you manager.
>
> As it turns out, they can't sell it for that, I'm being unrealistic.
Seems
> there are other fees.  Oh really, what?  Admin fees, and saftey package.
> Oh.  So, when I walked in, you and 5 guys were sitting around, talking
about
> the upcoming weekend, and yet, you want to charge me $500 for some admin
> fees?  I think you can eat those fees.  So what's this safety stuff?  Oh,
we
> etch a number on each panel so if the car is stolen, it can be traced, and
> we put nitrogen in the tires.  I see.  I take it the panels were already
> etched, being a used car, and I'll go out on a limb here and guess the
tires
> have the same nitrogen in them as when it arrived on your used car lot?
>
> So, being a large dealer, with zero people in the showroom but me, a lot
> full of cars, all your staff sitting around and chatting; offering you
your
> ASKING price, minus the taxes is unreasonable.  Ok.
>
> So guys, I need help finding my next Benz.  The old 300E was/is great, but
> this time, I'm thinking something along the lines of a newer E, no more
than
> 10 years old, and no more than 100,000 miles or so.  Thoughts and
> recommendations appreciated.
>
> Hey, I did my best to help out GM, I really did, but I'm only willing to
> help out so much.
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> 2009/1/9 Curt Raymond 
>
> > Lets still face that no other industry has anything this stupid. I get
laid
> > off, my unemployment runs out and NOBODY pays me anything... Why should
an
> > autoworker be any different?
> >
> > I sort of appreciate your continual standing up for the automakers, it
must
> > get to be a drag. Still I'll continue to beat them up for having the
GALL to
> > expect me to bail them out after 50 years of bad choices. Yeah their
legacy
> > costs are high, why haven't they done anything about it? Smart companies
> > look for things like this BEFORE they become an issue...
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:47:31 -0600
> > From: "Tom Hargrave" 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Autoworkers
> > To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> > Message-ID: <05e801c97282$58b3c0a0$3400a...@tomrmkj2yanjy9>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="windows-1250"
> >
> > The fourth case is what the author really meant when discussing the job
> > bank. It?s the SUB pay program. And yes, laid off workers qualify for
SUB
> > pay but the program only kicks in after unemployment, only pays up to
85%
> > after unemployment and the actual weekly benefit paid is scaled based on
> > years of service. In other words, the actual check received could be 40%
or
> > less, depending on years of service. And to qualify for unemployment,
all
> > states require you to look for a job. Find a replacement job and the
> > unemployment goes away, making the SUB pay disappear at the same time.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tom Hargrave
> > www.kegkits.com
> > 256-656-1924
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Re: [MBZ] OT more GM


Kevin Kraly wrote:

Is this the Ecotec 2.4L?


No, the 2.4L Twin Cam was the final evolution of the 2.3L Quad 4.

The 2.4L Ecotec is a grown up version of the 2.2L Saab Ecotec that started 
finding its way into Achievas, Grand Ams and Saturns around 2002.
I don't know of any service headaches on the Ecotec, but it has a bad reputation 
for cam chain lube failure on engines before the 2004 model year. They increased 
the oil delivery to the chain for 2004, but AFAIK never admitted responsibility 
for broken chains on the earlier engines. Gary had a Saturn L-series with the 
old Ecotec.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] this is a test

I found the problem.  It appears that the message sending unit was faulty. 
Rather than paying $579.97 to the Mercedes-Benz Stealership, I fixed it on 
my own! :D


Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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Re: [MBZ] this is a test

It arrived no problem here.

Ed
300E

2009/1/9 Kevin Kraly 

> I've been having problems sending mail, so I hope this goes through.
> klatta klatta klatta!
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT more GM

Is this the Ecotec 2.4L?  If so, I wonder if the design was changed on the 
later ones that were put into the Chevy HHR's?


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Re: [MBZ] W126 shift cable WAS Re: So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum


Good one, Mitch!  I do have an advantage working in areas where one can't
get enough light or when it's a job totally done by feel since it's way up
under the dash.  The windshield wiper linkage on one of our Pintos needed to
be changed out since one side was broken, and the parts car had one to
donate.  I decided to give it a try since I had nothing but time.  I was
able to get a hand up under the dashboard to maneuver a 1/4" ratchet and
socket in there to get the 3 bolts out on each side.  I had to drop the
radio and glovebox as well as the main defroster ducts to swap them which
was the easiest part of the job, 2.5 hours from start to finish.  I did have
quite the sense of accomplishment afterward, but It's making the scars and
remaining skin tissue on my knuckles ache just thinking about it!  Anyone
have a W115 heater blower motor replacement job that needs doing?  I'm ready
to try that next! :D

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[MBZ] this is a test


I've been having problems sending mail, so I hope this goes through.
klatta klatta klatta!

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Re: [MBZ] Autoworkers

Listen to Ed! This is the proper way to negotiate a good deal.

Generally I think that if it takes someone less than a day to accept an
offer, than you probably paid too much.

Tyler

> I don't argue or haggle, I look at their asking price, make what I feel is
> a
> reasonable out the door offer and leave it on the table for 1-2 days.
>
> What can I say, I was happy to give them a cheque for $16,000, and I felt
> that would have also given him a reasonable commission.
>
> Did my bit, tried to help, they weren't interested.  On to the next Benz I
> guess. ;-)
>
> Ed
> 300E


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Re: [MBZ] Autoworkers

I don't argue or haggle, I look at their asking price, make what I feel is a
reasonable out the door offer and leave it on the table for 1-2 days.

What can I say, I was happy to give them a cheque for $16,000, and I felt
that would have also given him a reasonable commission.

Did my bit, tried to help, they weren't interested.  On to the next Benz I
guess. ;-)

Ed
300E

2009/1/9 R A Bennell 

> According to the local paper this morning, you should be able to have a
> brand new 08 Uplander for $17K. I cannot
> recall if there was enough extra "9's" on the end of the number to make it
> essentially $18K but that sounds better
> than $16,000 for a used one. I "think" that included shipping and prep as
> well.
>
> I have learned to expect the silly $300 document fee and to calculate it
> into my offer up front rather than argue
> about it after I think I have a deal.
>
> I think I have only run into the etching thing once. Of course, they always
> try to sell you the extended warranty
> too.
>
> Randy
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of E M
> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 3:40 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Autoworkers
>
>
> Well, I tried to do my bit and help, I really did.  Last week as you know,
> I
> walked into a Chev dealer, test drove a year old, 39,000 kms Uplander that
> they were asking $15,988 for.  Ok, I said to the guy, I'll give you your
> price, $16,000 in face, and you take care of the taxes 12% and stick a
> plate
> on it, $100, and I'll write you a check.  I'll leave the offer on the table
> for a day or so, you go and check with you manager.
>
> As it turns out, they can't sell it for that, I'm being unrealistic.  Seems
> there are other fees.  Oh really, what?  Admin fees, and saftey package.
> Oh.  So, when I walked in, you and 5 guys were sitting around, talking
> about
> the upcoming weekend, and yet, you want to charge me $500 for some admin
> fees?  I think you can eat those fees.  So what's this safety stuff?  Oh,
> we
> etch a number on each panel so if the car is stolen, it can be traced, and
> we put nitrogen in the tires.  I see.  I take it the panels were already
> etched, being a used car, and I'll go out on a limb here and guess the
> tires
> have the same nitrogen in them as when it arrived on your used car lot?
>
> So, being a large dealer, with zero people in the showroom but me, a lot
> full of cars, all your staff sitting around and chatting; offering you your
> ASKING price, minus the taxes is unreasonable.  Ok.
>
> So guys, I need help finding my next Benz.  The old 300E was/is great, but
> this time, I'm thinking something along the lines of a newer E, no more
> than
> 10 years old, and no more than 100,000 miles or so.  Thoughts and
> recommendations appreciated.
>
> Hey, I did my best to help out GM, I really did, but I'm only willing to
> help out so much.
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> 2009/1/9 Curt Raymond 
>
> > Lets still face that no other industry has anything this stupid. I get
> laid
> > off, my unemployment runs out and NOBODY pays me anything... Why should
> an
> > autoworker be any different?
> >
> > I sort of appreciate your continual standing up for the automakers, it
> must
> > get to be a drag. Still I'll continue to beat them up for having the GALL
> to
> > expect me to bail them out after 50 years of bad choices. Yeah their
> legacy
> > costs are high, why haven't they done anything about it? Smart companies
> > look for things like this BEFORE they become an issue...
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:47:31 -0600
> > From: "Tom Hargrave" 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Autoworkers
> > To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> > Message-ID: <05e801c97282$58b3c0a0$3400a...@tomrmkj2yanjy9>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="windows-1250"
> >
> > The fourth case is what the author really meant when discussing the job
> > bank. It?s the SUB pay program. And yes, laid off workers qualify for SUB
> > pay but the program only kicks in after unemployment, only pays up to 85%
> > after unemployment and the actual weekly benefit paid is scaled based on
> > years of service. In other words, the actual check received could be 40%
> or
> > less, depending on years of service. And to qualify for unemployment, all
> > states require you to look for a job. Find a replacement job and the
> > unemployment goes away, making the SUB pay disappear at the same

[MBZ] Mercedes S600 V12 engine - $2000 (Boston)

2009-01-09 Thread fred . star

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Re: [MBZ] Autoworkers

2009-01-09 Thread R A Bennell

According to the local paper this morning, you should be able to have a brand 
new 08 Uplander for $17K. I cannot
recall if there was enough extra "9's" on the end of the number to make it 
essentially $18K but that sounds better
than $16,000 for a used one. I "think" that included shipping and prep as well.

I have learned to expect the silly $300 document fee and to calculate it into 
my offer up front rather than argue
about it after I think I have a deal.

I think I have only run into the etching thing once. Of course, they always try 
to sell you the extended warranty
too.

Randy

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Well, I tried to do my bit and help, I really did.  Last week as you know, I
walked into a Chev dealer, test drove a year old, 39,000 kms Uplander that
they were asking $15,988 for.  Ok, I said to the guy, I'll give you your
price, $16,000 in face, and you take care of the taxes 12% and stick a plate
on it, $100, and I'll write you a check.  I'll leave the offer on the table
for a day or so, you go and check with you manager.

As it turns out, they can't sell it for that, I'm being unrealistic.  Seems
there are other fees.  Oh really, what?  Admin fees, and saftey package.
Oh.  So, when I walked in, you and 5 guys were sitting around, talking about
the upcoming weekend, and yet, you want to charge me $500 for some admin
fees?  I think you can eat those fees.  So what's this safety stuff?  Oh, we
etch a number on each panel so if the car is stolen, it can be traced, and
we put nitrogen in the tires.  I see.  I take it the panels were already
etched, being a used car, and I'll go out on a limb here and guess the tires
have the same nitrogen in them as when it arrived on your used car lot?

So, being a large dealer, with zero people in the showroom but me, a lot
full of cars, all your staff sitting around and chatting; offering you your
ASKING price, minus the taxes is unreasonable.  Ok.

So guys, I need help finding my next Benz.  The old 300E was/is great, but
this time, I'm thinking something along the lines of a newer E, no more than
10 years old, and no more than 100,000 miles or so.  Thoughts and
recommendations appreciated.

Hey, I did my best to help out GM, I really did, but I'm only willing to
help out so much.

Ed
300E

2009/1/9 Curt Raymond 

> Lets still face that no other industry has anything this stupid. I get laid
> off, my unemployment runs out and NOBODY pays me anything... Why should an
> autoworker be any different?
>
> I sort of appreciate your continual standing up for the automakers, it must
> get to be a drag. Still I'll continue to beat them up for having the GALL to
> expect me to bail them out after 50 years of bad choices. Yeah their legacy
> costs are high, why haven't they done anything about it? Smart companies
> look for things like this BEFORE they become an issue...
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:47:31 -0600
> From: "Tom Hargrave" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Autoworkers
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Message-ID: <05e801c97282$58b3c0a0$3400a...@tomrmkj2yanjy9>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="windows-1250"
>
> The fourth case is what the author really meant when discussing the job
> bank. It?s the SUB pay program. And yes, laid off workers qualify for SUB
> pay but the program only kicks in after unemployment, only pays up to 85%
> after unemployment and the actual weekly benefit paid is scaled based on
> years of service. In other words, the actual check received could be 40% or
> less, depending on years of service. And to qualify for unemployment, all
> states require you to look for a job. Find a replacement job and the
> unemployment goes away, making the SUB pay disappear at the same time.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
> 256-656-1924
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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Recalibrate W126 Speedometer

2009-01-09 Thread Hendrik & Fay


My 89 124 is cable driven.

Hendrik

Jim Cathey wrote:

Is it electrical or cable driven?


All 126's are electrical, IIRC.  As are late-model 107 SL's.
201's are mechanical, I think 124's might be mechanical but I
could easily be wrong on that.  I thought everything else newer
than that was electrical, and everything else older than that
was mechanical.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] New clock

2009-01-09 Thread andrew strasfogel

The math is all wrong - should have multiplied X 8 yrs.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:40 PM, E M  wrote:

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Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, who is my...@netscape.net

2009-01-09 Thread OK Don

Ask - one is on it's way.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:20 AM, LWB250  wrote:
> For that matter, what does one have to do to get a GMail invite?
>
> I always wondered about that, not that I need another email addy, but
>
> Dan


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Re: [MBZ] New clock

lmao!!

Ed
300E

2009/1/9 

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Re: [MBZ] Autoworkers

Well, I tried to do my bit and help, I really did.  Last week as you know, I
walked into a Chev dealer, test drove a year old, 39,000 kms Uplander that
they were asking $15,988 for.  Ok, I said to the guy, I'll give you your
price, $16,000 in face, and you take care of the taxes 12% and stick a plate
on it, $100, and I'll write you a check.  I'll leave the offer on the table
for a day or so, you go and check with you manager.

As it turns out, they can't sell it for that, I'm being unrealistic.  Seems
there are other fees.  Oh really, what?  Admin fees, and saftey package.
Oh.  So, when I walked in, you and 5 guys were sitting around, talking about
the upcoming weekend, and yet, you want to charge me $500 for some admin
fees?  I think you can eat those fees.  So what's this safety stuff?  Oh, we
etch a number on each panel so if the car is stolen, it can be traced, and
we put nitrogen in the tires.  I see.  I take it the panels were already
etched, being a used car, and I'll go out on a limb here and guess the tires
have the same nitrogen in them as when it arrived on your used car lot?

So, being a large dealer, with zero people in the showroom but me, a lot
full of cars, all your staff sitting around and chatting; offering you your
ASKING price, minus the taxes is unreasonable.  Ok.

So guys, I need help finding my next Benz.  The old 300E was/is great, but
this time, I'm thinking something along the lines of a newer E, no more than
10 years old, and no more than 100,000 miles or so.  Thoughts and
recommendations appreciated.

Hey, I did my best to help out GM, I really did, but I'm only willing to
help out so much.

Ed
300E

2009/1/9 Curt Raymond 

> Lets still face that no other industry has anything this stupid. I get laid
> off, my unemployment runs out and NOBODY pays me anything... Why should an
> autoworker be any different?
>
> I sort of appreciate your continual standing up for the automakers, it must
> get to be a drag. Still I'll continue to beat them up for having the GALL to
> expect me to bail them out after 50 years of bad choices. Yeah their legacy
> costs are high, why haven't they done anything about it? Smart companies
> look for things like this BEFORE they become an issue...
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:47:31 -0600
> From: "Tom Hargrave" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Autoworkers
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Message-ID: <05e801c97282$58b3c0a0$3400a...@tomrmkj2yanjy9>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="windows-1250"
>
> The fourth case is what the author really meant when discussing the job
> bank. It?s the SUB pay program. And yes, laid off workers qualify for SUB
> pay but the program only kicks in after unemployment, only pays up to 85%
> after unemployment and the actual weekly benefit paid is scaled based on
> years of service. In other words, the actual check received could be 40% or
> less, depending on years of service. And to qualify for unemployment, all
> states require you to look for a job. Find a replacement job and the
> unemployment goes away, making the SUB pay disappear at the same time.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
> 256-656-1924
>
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Re: [MBZ] Today's crack addict

>From the looks of it, I think Mother Earth has taken quite an interest in
it. :-)

Ed
300E

2009/1/9 Redghost 

> So offer him $120 and see how far he lets you go.  Bound to not have many
> offers
>
> clay
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2009, at 6:39 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
>
>
>>  1961 Mercedes - $2500 (Andrews, SC)
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[MBZ] New clock

http://obamaclock.org/

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Re: [MBZ] floods

> ...yeah, how are you doing?  Meadowbrook usually turns into a raging 
> river and takes out roads.  You still high and dry?..
> 
No problem this time. The city caught so much heat for letting Thornton Creek 
plug up at 97th and 44th that they kept an eye on it this week.

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Re: [MBZ] add nav?

> > Indeed so. I just ordered a navigation update DVD for my C-300's hard 
> drive
> > Comand system and the price went up 25% on 1/1/2009.
> 
> .How much did it cost?  If I ever add the nav brain box I'd have to buy 
> the navigation DVDs as well.
> 
I think you are talking about a W211 which has the older Comand and uses DVDs 
for the navigation data. Comand for the current models (W221, W204 and the 
GLK plus the 2010 W212 store all their data on an internal hard drive, with a 
separate partition for customer loaded music. The DVD I ordered ($249) updates 
the nav database

It's true that when cost is no factor you can do anything, but retrofitting 
Comand is a huge project considering the wiring and the remote units and so on.

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Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

Thanks Scott.  I have downloaded and will give this a try.  I don't recall
if I have the service packs on this one or not.
BillR

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

See: 

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=7da725e2-8b69-4c65-
afa3-2a53107d54a7&displaylang=en

or

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2005.05.ntbackup.aspx

I seem to recall that backup did not come with XP Home originally but was
part of one of the Service Pack updates (or was that ME?)

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I'm adding all the management and file tools, so we will see what shows up.
Every possible Windows part has been added and still no backup program.
BillR


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

that is a good idea.

At 08:52 AM 1/9/2009, you wrote:
>go into add/remove programs,then select windows options or something 
>like that, gives you a list of all the optional windows parts that 
>are installed.  Perhaps its just not selected.
>
>Bill R wrote:
>>Perhaps the problem is that mine is the Home Edition, not the Pro.  I can
>>get to system tools easily enough, but there is no 'backup' choice. I am
>>doing a search for the ntbackup.exe file at the moment ... no luck there
>>either.
>>BillR
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Re: [MBZ] snow survival

Yep, that's what I was wondering.

I would imagine that the slicker the surface, the less front->rear weight
transfer before lockup, and therefore the greater importance of the rear
brakes in stopping the vehicle. I would think that a true 4 channel system
would give quicker stops on patchy ice, in particular. I have no idea if
this effect is significant though in the real world.

I could think of an imaginary situation where the right two tires are on
the side of the road a bit on ice, and the left two are on dry pavement.
If the front->rear weight balance of the car were about equal during
braking because the car is balanced, and the max possible braking was very
light then in this situation the maximum stopping force would be almost
double with a 4 channel ABS system than with a 3 channel, because the 3
channel could only provide significant braking torque to a single wheel.

Tyler

> Tyler wrote:
>> Anyone know anything about the ABS system on 80s MBs? Is it 3 or 4
>> channel?
>
> My W201s have a single rear ABS sensor on the pinion shaft, was that what
> you
> were asking? Most of the braking is done with the front wheels, so you
> don't
> lose much if both rear brakes get modulated when only one wheel was
> skidding.
> You might say the purpose of front ABS is to maximize braking and the
> purpose of
> rear ABS is to prevent loss of stability.
>
> Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Old news

In re: my post:

> MBUSA has released 2 new DVD's for W203 & W211 chassis...first time they 
> have
> released customer(client) repair info before the models were replaced!
> 
Forget this. it's very old news and I didn't see the date when I sent it.

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Re: [MBZ] More pics of my o309d Motoroam nightmare.

2009-01-09 Thread Rolf Martin-Hoster

Anyone know if om314 is 24v starter?

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Rolf Martin-Hoster wrote:

> I am going to strip it. Not gut but get all the upholstery, carpet,
> fixtures etc etc. Clean and paint. I may end up gutting but I would like to
> avoid that. Certainly will be the hawtness for the Drive-In movies.
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Re: [MBZ] snow survival


Tyler wrote:

Anyone know anything about the ABS system on 80s MBs? Is it 3 or 4 channel?


My W201s have a single rear ABS sensor on the pinion shaft, was that what you 
were asking? Most of the braking is done with the front wheels, so you don't 
lose much if both rear brakes get modulated when only one wheel was skidding.
You might say the purpose of front ABS is to maximize braking and the purpose of 
rear ABS is to prevent loss of stability.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Autoworkers

2009-01-09 Thread Scott Ritchey

According to AAUP and IES, the average annual compensation for a college
professor in 2006 was $92,973 (average salary nationally of $73,207 + 27%
benefits).

Bottom Line: The average UAW worker with a high school diploma earns 57.6%
more compensation than the average university professor with a Ph.D., and
52.6% more than the average worker at Toyota, Honda or Nissan.

Many industry analysts say the Detroit Three, need be on par with Toyota and
Honda to compete/survive. This year's contract, they say, must be
"transformational" in reducing pension and health care costs.

What would "transformational" mean? One way to think about
"transformational" would mean that UAW workers, most with a high school
diploma, would have to accept compensation equal to that of the average
university professor with a PhD.

Then there's the "Job Bank" 

When a D3 (Detroit 3 carmaker) lays an employee off, that employee continues
to receive all benefits - medical, retirement, etc., etc., PLUS an hourly
wage of $31/hour.

Here's a typical story 

Ken Pool is making good money. On weekdays, he shows up at 7 a.m. at Ford
Motor Co.'s Michigan Truck Plant in Wayne, signs in, and then starts working
-- on a crossword puzzle. Pool hates the monotony, but the pay is good: more
than $31 an hour, plus benefits.

"We just go in and play crossword puzzles, watch videos that someone brings
in or read the newspaper," he says. "Otherwise, I just sit."

Pool is one of more than 12,000 American autoworkers who, instead of
installing windshields or bending sheet metal, spend their days counting the
hours in a jobs bank set up by Detroit automakers as demanded by the United
Auto Workers Union - UAW - as part of an extraordinary job security
agreement. 

Now the D3 wants Joe Taxpayer to pick up this tab in a $25 Billion bailout
package - soon to be increased to $45 Billion if Nancy Pelosi and Hillary
Clinton have their way. 

The "Big 3" want this money - not to build better autos. No. They want it to
pay the tab for Medical and Retirement benefits for RETIRED auto workers.
Not ONE PENNY would be used to make them more competitive, or to improve the
quality of their cars. 

We ALL have problems paying for our Medical Insurance - but the Democrat
leaders in Congress now want us to pay the Medical Insurance premiums of
folks who have RETIRED from Ford, GM and Chrysler. 

Not a good deal for us. 

How about Chapter 11 - and getting rid of these ridiculous union contracts?

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Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

2009-01-09 Thread Scott Ritchey

See: 

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=7da725e2-8b69-4c65-
afa3-2a53107d54a7&displaylang=en

or

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2005.05.ntbackup.aspx

I seem to recall that backup did not come with XP Home originally but was
part of one of the Service Pack updates (or was that ME?)

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Bill R
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 12:36
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

I'm adding all the management and file tools, so we will see what shows up.
Every possible Windows part has been added and still no backup program.
BillR


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On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:03 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

that is a good idea.

At 08:52 AM 1/9/2009, you wrote:
>go into add/remove programs,then select windows options or something 
>like that, gives you a list of all the optional windows parts that 
>are installed.  Perhaps its just not selected.
>
>Bill R wrote:
>>Perhaps the problem is that mine is the Home Edition, not the Pro.  I can
>>get to system tools easily enough, but there is no 'backup' choice. I am
>>doing a search for the ntbackup.exe file at the moment ... no luck there
>>either.
>>BillR
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[MBZ] OT- for the Legal brothers


Subject: FW: UFO hits Wind turbine

In case any of your wind clients experience unexplained fallen turbines
or blades.  Howard and I settled this type of case earlier this year, we
never thought of impleading the Martians.


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iDJpvzoh1Iw


SWMBA's firm is big on energy work and she forwarded this to me.   
Maybe Don Snook needs to get into energy work on plaintiff side for  
when the martians hit the midwest turbines





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Re: [MBZ] Autoworkers

2009-01-09 Thread PM7088

These payments are negotiated in good faith by the Autoworkers and MANAGEMENT.

If management gave the farm away, shame on them!  I suggest THEY were greedy 
and/or stupid to make those concessions.

When they want to get tough is before the negotiations, not after it's signed.

BTW, I've been in manufacturing management for 30+ years.  I'm thinking of 
writing a book from both sides.

Pete


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From: Curt Raymond 
> Lets still face that no other industry has anything this stupid. I get laid 
> off, 
> my unemployment runs out and NOBODY pays me anything... Why should an 
> autoworker 
> be any different?
> 
> I sort of appreciate your continual standing up for the automakers, it must 
> get 
> to be a drag. Still I'll continue to beat them up for having the GALL to 
> expect 
> me to bail them out after 50 years of bad choices. Yeah their legacy costs 
> are 
> high, why haven't they done anything about it? Smart companies look for 
> things 
> like this BEFORE they become an issue...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:47:31 -0600
> From: "Tom Hargrave" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Autoworkers
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Message-ID: <05e801c97282$58b3c0a0$3400a...@tomrmkj2yanjy9>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="windows-1250"
> 
> The fourth case is what the author really meant when discussing the job
> bank. It?s the SUB pay program. And yes, laid off workers qualify for SUB
> pay but the program only kicks in after unemployment, only pays up to 85%
> after unemployment and the actual weekly benefit paid is scaled based on
> years of service. In other words, the actual check received could be 40% or
> less, depending on years of service. And to qualify for unemployment, all
> states require you to look for a job. Find a replacement job and the
> unemployment goes away, making the SUB pay disappear at the same time.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
> 256-656-1924
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Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, who is my...@netscape.net

I wasn't paying attention, I guess. But at least I am stuck in 2004 rather
than 1954.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Did we go back to 2004 when I wasn't looking? AFAIK you can just sign up
> for GMail now..
>
> Yeah, gmail.com "Sign up for Gmail"...
>
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] I get a job today, and I get a memo from the pres of my company

And, if they can't give your $$ back you can always take it in merchandise,
though some of that you will have to feed...
BillR

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On Behalf Of Redghost
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] I get a job today, and I get a memo from the pres of my
company

This is why I invested heavily in a sin fund a number of years ago.   
Bullets, booze and boobs.  Had not been doing all that great, but I  
expect much more from it in the coming years.

clay

On Jan 8, 2009, at 9:01 AM, Bill R wrote:

> Entertainment always does well in a bad economy [or so I have been  
> told].
> People need something to take their minds off problems.  I suppose  
> they
> could drink ...
> BillR
>
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> ]
> On Behalf Of Mountain Man
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:24 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] I get a job today, and I get a memo from the pres  
> of my
> company
>
> Kaleb wrote:
>> Well, I got a job offer at one of the leading sat tv providers
>
> What is with DISH and other providers? - why are they hiring?
> I guess they are paying real well for new trainees here, but I can't
> imagine people spending money for entertainment when jobs are being
> lost, etc - the economy.  So, why does sat tv get the boost?
> mao
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[MBZ] OT - Wicked cool base jumping.

2009-01-09 Thread dave walton

http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=1778399&server=vimeo.com&show_title=1&show_byline=1&show_portrait=0&color=&fullscreen=1

Duuude!

I don't make OT posts very often, but this is exceptional. Added a line to
my Bucket List.

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Re: [MBZ] snow survival

Anyone know anything about the ABS system on 80s MBs? Is it 3 or 4 channel?

I've always avoided ABS cars (especially 80s ones) because poor ABS is
worse than none, yet the 80s MB system seems to work VERY well. I had
people in newer SUVs stop suddenly in front of me while driving on 6" of
snow without snow tires, and I was able to stop much quicker than them!

Tyler

>> ..The ABS on my W201 and my Olds aren't too bad. The ABS on my Taurus
>> made
>> me feel
>> like the brakes were deactivated in the winter, so I did a lot of quick
>> key-off
>> for stop signs at slippery intersections


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Re: [MBZ] snow survival

yeah, how are you doing?  Meadowbrook usually turns into a raging  
river and takes out roads.  You still high and dry?


clay

On Jan 8, 2009, at 7:18 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:

..The ABS on my W201 and my Olds aren't too bad. The ABS on my  
Taurus made

me feel
like the brakes were deactivated in the winter, so I did a lot of  
quick

key-off
for stop signs at slippery intersections

My C300, having MB's latest iteration of ESP, did quite well in our  
big snow
two weeks ago (just melted) even though it's not a 4-Matic but  
without my

Nokian WRg2 snow tires, it would have been different.

I learned long ago to descend snowy hills slowly and in neutral to  
let the

ABS work.

And now, the floods.

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Re: [MBZ] Today's crack addict

2009-01-09 Thread Rich Thomas

Even if I got it for free the price to pay when I got it home would be 
wayyy higher.


--R

Redghost wrote:
So offer him $120 and see how far he lets you go.  Bound to not have 
many offers


clay


On Jan 8, 2009, at 6:39 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:



  1961 Mercedes - $2500 (Andrews, SC)


http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/983216772.html

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Re: [MBZ] I get a job today, and I get a memo from the pres of my company

This is why I invested heavily in a sin fund a number of years ago.   
Bullets, booze and boobs.  Had not been doing all that great, but I  
expect much more from it in the coming years.


clay

On Jan 8, 2009, at 9:01 AM, Bill R wrote:

Entertainment always does well in a bad economy [or so I have been  
told].
People need something to take their minds off problems.  I suppose  
they

could drink ...
BillR

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On Behalf Of Mountain Man
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of my

company

Kaleb wrote:

Well, I got a job offer at one of the leading sat tv providers


What is with DISH and other providers? - why are they hiring?
I guess they are paying real well for new trainees here, but I can't
imagine people spending money for entertainment when jobs are being
lost, etc - the economy.  So, why does sat tv get the boost?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Today's crack addict

So offer him $120 and see how far he lets you go.  Bound to not have  
many offers


clay


On Jan 8, 2009, at 6:39 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:



  1961 Mercedes - $2500 (Andrews, SC)


http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/983216772.html

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Re: [MBZ] Previa


Meant strainer, not filter.  Just simpler to say filter

clay


On Jan 8, 2009, at 1:19 AM, Jeff Zedic wrote:


Actually the Previa did not have a trans fluid filter originally. It
had a strainer which was meant for the life of the vehicle.

Many people thought it was a filter and replaced it with some Fram
shit so now you have to keep changing it.

The price for a strainer was high...about three or four times that of
a filter kit.

Zedic

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Re: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum

Not I, I very much enjoy my internet connection and my Mercedes. For one,
I wouldn't be able to visit or talk to most of my friends and family
without them because they've moved all around the USA and the world.

I don't think this is what the quote was getting at. He (and I) wasn't
saying to avoid spending money on things not required to survival, but
rather a re-ordering of priorities to think of money as a tool to help you
meet your life goals, rather than the goal itself.

Their is an illusion/myth in our culture that happiness comes from having
enough money and material possessions. People keep wanting more, but their
desire is endless so they are never satisfied or happy regardless of what
they get.

This is well illustrated by the concept of a hungry ghost in ancient
Buddhist mythology. A hungry ghost is a being with endless hunger, but a
tiny throat that only allows it to eat a small amount of food, so it is
eternally experiencing endless desire and unhappy/dissatisfied.

Tyler

> Ok, who want's to be the first to sell their Mercedes and unplug their
> connection to the internet?  Neither fall under "basic needs" as far as
> I'm
> aware.
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> 2009/1/9 Tyler 
>
>> Mao,
>>
>> I like that quote quite a bit. It seems that recently people have begun
>> to
>> accept without question that the purpose of life is to make money,
>> instead
>> of the purpose of money being to help one trade with others to meet
>> their
>> basic needs for survival. I find the idea of a life purposed around
>> extracting a profit from the world to be a very depressing and dull
>> prospect.
>>
>> Tyler



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[MBZ] Anybody near Whitehall (MD)?

2009-01-09 Thread andrew strasfogel

Does someone want to check out a 1983 300D for me?  It's off I-83 N of
Baltimore, in Whitehall (MD) just south of the PA line.

Andrew
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Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

2009-01-09 Thread Loren Faeth

It is not in public beta as far as I can tell.

There may be some copies available to MSDN subscribers.  That will 
cost you $750 per year.  The official word seems to be that win7 is pre-beta.

see:
http://www.windowsvienna.com/how-to-download-windows-7-beta-a23.html

It looks like you can sign up now, and if they select you, then you 
will get to download.  I probably don't have hardware hefty enough to 
run it if it is a resource-hogging jump like vista was from XP.

Rather than buying a bunch of new hardware, I may become an ubutnick 
like LT Don whenever XP is unserviceable
I did prove to my satisfaction that Wizzta will run on minimal 
hardware when you configure it to the 2000 interface.  I found i 
could even install it on a 10 gig drive, but that left almost no room 
for patches and SW.  Patches have really bloated winders OS since Winders 2000.

At 12:09 PM 1/9/2009, you wrote:
I was at my last remaining car dealer a little while ago and he was 
on the internet I assume at microsoft where they had a deal you 
could try out the new windows thats coming out now.  Need to see if 
I can find that and try it out.

Loren Faeth wrote:
That could be.  I have never seen the home edition.  I know the 
consumer big boxes foisted it on unsuspecting customers, but I have 
stayed far, far away from that and the virus formerly known as 
Winders ME.  I have played with vista business some, but found no 
functional relevance to justify its existence.
Just another reason to buy a Mac.  The mac OS is the Mac OS.  They 
don't sell crippled versions.  (yeah, I know LT DON says I should 
be running 6 or 8 different versions of ubutnix or some such thing) 
If you choose to upgrade the Mac OS, it costs something like $100 
for a full version, not $400 to $500 or more.  a 3-4 yr old Mac 
generally performs as well as a new windows machine in the 
experience i have had.  I currently still use an ibook 400 mhz for 
my on the road computer.  It will connect to any windows machine 
and gives me the windows screen via remote desktop.  I would like 
to upgrade to one of the early macbooks some year, as they are 
about 3 years old now.  I got a newer, faster Powerbook G4, but I 
find myself using the ibook still, even though it is 7-8 years 
old.  I like the small light machine that the old ibook is.  The 
powerbook and even a new macbook are bigger and heavier.  Yeah, I 
know there is the "air" but I often need a cd/dvd, and they are still bigger.

At 08:41 AM 1/9/2009, you wrote:

Perhaps the problem is that mine is the Home Edition, not the Pro.  I can
get to system tools easily enough, but there is no 'backup' choice. I am
doing a search for the ntbackup.exe file at the moment ... no luck there
either.
BillR

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 12:38 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

Backup is there in XP Pro.  If you use the bubble gum interface as it
comes out of the box, there should still be a way to get to
accessories through the programs button.  Look for "accessories" or
"system tools."  backup is in system tools.

Or just do a search for ntbackup.exe that should find it for you.

At 05:31 PM 1/8/2009, you wrote:
>Loren - I use XP, which does not have 'backup.' It has a system restore
>feature, which I have set a few times, but any time I have needed it there
>has not been a restore point even though I have created several.
Should I
>use one available on the internet?
>BillR
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
>On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
>Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:52 PM
>To: Mercedes Discussion List
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive
>
>In Windows:
>GO to Start then programs
>then accessories
>then system tools
>then backup
>that launches the backup program.  CHoose to configure it manually,
>and in the process, you can schedule backups
>with that, you can schedule it to backup every night while you sleep,
>or once a week or whatever you want.  DO back up "system state" as
>that will help to recover if you have a hard drive failure.
>
>Most USB drives also come with some form of backup software.  I
>prefer to let the builtin backup do the work, as it stays the same
>regardless of what/where i backup to.
>
>At 05:43 PM 1/7/2009, you wrote:
> >I have a WiFi net work at home, run WinXP.
> >
> >I'd like to buy one of the plug in hard drives and configure to auto
> >backup the 2 PC and one Laptop.
> >
> >Is this possible to do?  Software?
> >
> >
> >--
> >
> >Peter T. Arnold, Quality Mgr.
> >Ultracast, LLC
> >199 Freshwater Blvd.
> >Enfield, CT 06082
> >(860) 253-5015
> >
> >"A problem well stated is a problem half solved." - Charles F. Kettering
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Autoworkers

2009-01-09 Thread Curt Raymond

Lets still face that no other industry has anything this stupid. I get laid 
off, my unemployment runs out and NOBODY pays me anything... Why should an 
autoworker be any different?

I sort of appreciate your continual standing up for the automakers, it must get 
to be a drag. Still I'll continue to beat them up for having the GALL to expect 
me to bail them out after 50 years of bad choices. Yeah their legacy costs are 
high, why haven't they done anything about it? Smart companies look for things 
like this BEFORE they become an issue...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:47:31 -0600
From: "Tom Hargrave" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Autoworkers
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Message-ID: <05e801c97282$58b3c0a0$3400a...@tomrmkj2yanjy9>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="windows-1250"

The fourth case is what the author really meant when discussing the job
bank. It?s the SUB pay program. And yes, laid off workers qualify for SUB
pay but the program only kicks in after unemployment, only pays up to 85%
after unemployment and the actual weekly benefit paid is scaled based on
years of service. In other words, the actual check received could be 40% or
less, depending on years of service. And to qualify for unemployment, all
states require you to look for a job. Find a replacement job and the
unemployment goes away, making the SUB pay disappear at the same time.


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
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Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, who is my...@netscape.net

2009-01-09 Thread Curt Raymond

Did we go back to 2004 when I wasn't looking? AFAIK you can just sign up for 
GMail now..

Yeah, gmail.com "Sign up for Gmail"...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:38:50 -0600
From: "Wonko the Sane" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, who is my...@netscape.net
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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Just ask someone using GMail to send you an invite. I have 86 left.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:20 AM, LWB250  wrote:

> For that matter, what does one have to do to get a GMail invite?
>
> I always wondered about that, not that I need another email addy, but
>
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Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

I was at my last remaining car dealer a little while ago and he was on 
the internet I assume at microsoft where they had a deal you could try 
out the new windows thats coming out now.  Need to see if I can find 
that and try it out.

Loren Faeth wrote:
That could be.  I have never seen the home edition.  I know the consumer 
big boxes foisted it on unsuspecting customers, but I have stayed far, 
far away from that and the virus formerly known as Winders ME.  I have 
played with vista business some, but found no functional relevance to 
justify its existence.

Just another reason to buy a Mac.  The mac OS is the Mac OS.  They don't 
sell crippled versions.  (yeah, I know LT DON says I should be running 6 
or 8 different versions of ubutnix or some such thing) If you choose to 
upgrade the Mac OS, it costs something like $100 for a full version, not 
$400 to $500 or more.  a 3-4 yr old Mac generally performs as well as a 
new windows machine in the experience i have had.  I currently still use 
an ibook 400 mhz for my on the road computer.  It will connect to any 
windows machine and gives me the windows screen via remote desktop.  I 
would like to upgrade to one of the early macbooks some year, as they 
are about 3 years old now.  I got a newer, faster Powerbook G4, but I 
find myself using the ibook still, even though it is 7-8 years old.  I 
like the small light machine that the old ibook is.  The powerbook and 
even a new macbook are bigger and heavier.  Yeah, I know there is the 
"air" but I often need a cd/dvd, and they are still bigger.

At 08:41 AM 1/9/2009, you wrote:

Perhaps the problem is that mine is the Home Edition, not the Pro.  I can
get to system tools easily enough, but there is no 'backup' choice. I am
doing a search for the ntbackup.exe file at the moment ... no luck there
either.
BillR

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com 
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]

On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 12:38 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

Backup is there in XP Pro.  If you use the bubble gum interface as it
comes out of the box, there should still be a way to get to
accessories through the programs button.  Look for "accessories" or
"system tools."  backup is in system tools.

Or just do a search for ntbackup.exe that should find it for you.

At 05:31 PM 1/8/2009, you wrote:
>Loren - I use XP, which does not have 'backup.' It has a system restore
>feature, which I have set a few times, but any time I have needed it 
there
>has not been a restore point even though I have created several.  
Should I

>use one available on the internet?
>BillR
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com 
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]

>On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
>Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:52 PM
>To: Mercedes Discussion List
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive
>
>In Windows:
>GO to Start then programs
>then accessories
>then system tools
>then backup
>that launches the backup program.  CHoose to configure it manually,
>and in the process, you can schedule backups
>with that, you can schedule it to backup every night while you sleep,
>or once a week or whatever you want.  DO back up "system state" as
>that will help to recover if you have a hard drive failure.
>
>Most USB drives also come with some form of backup software.  I
>prefer to let the builtin backup do the work, as it stays the same
>regardless of what/where i backup to.
>
>At 05:43 PM 1/7/2009, you wrote:
> >I have a WiFi net work at home, run WinXP.
> >
> >I'd like to buy one of the plug in hard drives and configure to auto
> >backup the 2 PC and one Laptop.
> >
> >Is this possible to do?  Software?
> >
> >
> >--
> >
> >Peter T. Arnold, Quality Mgr.
> >Ultracast, LLC
> >199 Freshwater Blvd.
> >Enfield, CT 06082
> >(860) 253-5015
> >
> >"A problem well stated is a problem half solved." - Charles F. 
Kettering

> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Autoworkers

2009-01-09 Thread Tom Hargrave

nsformational" would mean that UAW workers, most with a high school
diploma, would have to accept compensation equal to that of the average
university professor with a PhD.

Then there's the "Job Bank" 

When a D3 (Detroit 3 carmaker) lays an employee off, that employee continues
to receive all benefits - medical, retirement, etc., etc., PLUS an hourly
wage of $31/hour.

Here's a typical story 

Ken Pool is making good money. On weekdays, he shows up at 7 a.m. at Ford
Motor Co.'s Michigan Truck Plant in Wayne, signs in, and then starts working
-- on a crossword puzzle. Pool hates the monotony, but the pay is good: more
than $31 an hour, plus benefits.

"We just go in and play crossword puzzles, watch videos that someone brings
in or read the newspaper," he says. "Otherwise, I just sit."

Pool is one of more than 12,000 American autoworkers who, instead of
installing windshields or bending sheet metal, spend their days counting the
hours in a jobs bank set up by Detroit automakers as demanded by the United
Auto Workers Union - UAW - as part of an extraordinary job security
agreement. 

Now the D3 wants Joe Taxpayer to pick up this tab in a $25 Billion bailout
package - soon to be increased to $45 Billion if Nancy Pelosi and Hillary
Clinton have their way. 

The "Big 3" want this money - not to build better autos. No. They want it to
pay the tab for Medical and Retirement benefits for RETIRED auto workers.
Not ONE PENNY would be used to make them more competitive, or to improve the
quality of their cars. 

We ALL have problems paying for our Medical Insurance - but the Democrat
leaders in Congress now want us to pay the Medical Insurance premiums of
folks who have RETIRED from Ford, GM and Chrysler. 

Not a good deal for us. 

How about Chapter 11 - and getting rid of these ridiculous union contracts?

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Re: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum

Ok, who want's to be the first to sell their Mercedes and unplug their
connection to the internet?  Neither fall under "basic needs" as far as I'm
aware.

Ed
300E

2009/1/9 Tyler 

> Mao,
>
> I like that quote quite a bit. It seems that recently people have begun to
> accept without question that the purpose of life is to make money, instead
> of the purpose of money being to help one trade with others to meet their
> basic needs for survival. I find the idea of a life purposed around
> extracting a profit from the world to be a very depressing and dull
> prospect.
>
> Tyler
>
> > Here's the quote from Adam Smith:
> > I mean we may get back to a saner kind of world -- what Adam
> > Smith called "cultivation" or "civilization" -- where we don't all
> > sort of spend our life trying to make money, to buy things we don't
> > really need to impress the neighbors, and so on. Where we actually do
> > work -- not 60 hours a week, but 40 hours a week. Where we actually do
> > take holidays. Where we actually get to know our kids again. Where it
> > actually becomes smart to have a tiny car, to walk and bicycle and
> > these sorts of things. And we may find we enjoy it actually just as
> > much as the hectic pace that we've seen in recent years. I've often
> > said that capitalism, particularly in America, is a very exhausting
> > business. It tires people out.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, who is my...@netscape.net

2009-01-09 Thread Frederick W Moir


Um. mail.google.com will let you sign up, gratis.
Fred Moir
Lynn MA

At 12:38 PM 1/9/2009, you wrote:

Just ask someone using GMail to send you an invite. I have 86 left.



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Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

The early macbooks are a dream for people who do their own repairs,
they're very easy to disassemble and very simple inside- almost like a
desktop pc!

I like mine quite a bit, but I also wish they had made it a bit smaller.
12" is a perfect size in my opinion, because it leaves room for a full
sized desktop keyboard.

Tyler

> I would like to upgrade to one of
> the early macbooks some year, as they are about 3 years old now.  I
> got a newer, faster Powerbook G4, but I find myself using the ibook
> still, even though it is 7-8 years old.  I like the small light
> machine that the old ibook is.  The powerbook and even a new macbook
> are bigger and heavier.  Yeah, I know there is the "air" but I often
> need a cd/dvd, and they are still bigger.


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Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, who is my...@netscape.net

Just ask someone using GMail to send you an invite. I have 86 left.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:20 AM, LWB250  wrote:

> For that matter, what does one have to do to get a GMail invite?
>
> I always wondered about that, not that I need another email addy, but
>
> Dan
>
> --- On Thu, 1/8/09, OK Don  wrote:
>
> From: OK Don 
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> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 10:55 PM
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Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

This computer is about 4 years old, and I have survived a couple of hard
drive failures by using my older hard drives as storage.  Nothing at all in
the system tools folder for backup, though.  I'll work something out.
BillR

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:02 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

That could be.  I have never seen the home edition.  I know the 
consumer big boxes foisted it on unsuspecting customers, but I have 
stayed far, far away from that and the virus formerly known as 
Winders ME.  I have played with vista business some, but found no 
functional relevance to justify its existence.

Just another reason to buy a Mac.  The mac OS is the Mac OS.  They 
don't sell crippled versions.  (yeah, I know LT DON says I should be 
running 6 or 8 different versions of ubutnix or some such thing) If 
you choose to upgrade the Mac OS, it costs something like $100 for a 
full version, not $400 to $500 or more.  a 3-4 yr old Mac generally 
performs as well as a new windows machine in the experience i have 
had.  I currently still use an ibook 400 mhz for my on the road 
computer.  It will connect to any windows machine and gives me the 
windows screen via remote desktop.  I would like to upgrade to one of 
the early macbooks some year, as they are about 3 years old now.  I 
got a newer, faster Powerbook G4, but I find myself using the ibook 
still, even though it is 7-8 years old.  I like the small light 
machine that the old ibook is.  The powerbook and even a new macbook 
are bigger and heavier.  Yeah, I know there is the "air" but I often 
need a cd/dvd, and they are still bigger.

At 08:41 AM 1/9/2009, you wrote:
>Perhaps the problem is that mine is the Home Edition, not the Pro.  I can
>get to system tools easily enough, but there is no 'backup' choice. I am
>doing a search for the ntbackup.exe file at the moment ... no luck there
>either.
>BillR
>
>-Original Message-
>From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
>On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
>Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 12:38 AM
>To: Mercedes Discussion List
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive
>
>Backup is there in XP Pro.  If you use the bubble gum interface as it
>comes out of the box, there should still be a way to get to
>accessories through the programs button.  Look for "accessories" or
>"system tools."  backup is in system tools.
>
>Or just do a search for ntbackup.exe that should find it for you.
>
>At 05:31 PM 1/8/2009, you wrote:
> >Loren - I use XP, which does not have 'backup.' It has a system restore
> >feature, which I have set a few times, but any time I have needed it
there
> >has not been a restore point even though I have created several.  Should
I
> >use one available on the internet?
> >BillR
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> >On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:52 PM
> >To: Mercedes Discussion List
> >Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive
> >
> >In Windows:
> >GO to Start then programs
> >then accessories
> >then system tools
> >then backup
> >that launches the backup program.  CHoose to configure it manually,
> >and in the process, you can schedule backups
> >with that, you can schedule it to backup every night while you sleep,
> >or once a week or whatever you want.  DO back up "system state" as
> >that will help to recover if you have a hard drive failure.
> >
> >Most USB drives also come with some form of backup software.  I
> >prefer to let the builtin backup do the work, as it stays the same
> >regardless of what/where i backup to.
> >
> >At 05:43 PM 1/7/2009, you wrote:
> > >I have a WiFi net work at home, run WinXP.
> > >
> > >I'd like to buy one of the plug in hard drives and configure to auto
> > >backup the 2 PC and one Laptop.
> > >
> > >Is this possible to do?  Software?
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >
> > >Peter T. Arnold, Quality Mgr.
> > >Ultracast, LLC
> > >199 Freshwater Blvd.
> > >Enfield, CT 06082
> > >(860) 253-5015
> > >
> > >"A problem well stated is a problem half solved." - Charles F.
Kettering
> > >
> > >
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> >
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Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

I'm adding all the management and file tools, so we will see what shows up.
Every possible Windows part has been added and still no backup program.
BillR


-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:03 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

that is a good idea.

At 08:52 AM 1/9/2009, you wrote:
>go into add/remove programs,then select windows options or something 
>like that, gives you a list of all the optional windows parts that 
>are installed.  Perhaps its just not selected.
>
>Bill R wrote:
>>Perhaps the problem is that mine is the Home Edition, not the Pro.  I can
>>get to system tools easily enough, but there is no 'backup' choice. I am
>>doing a search for the ntbackup.exe file at the moment ... no luck there
>>either.
>>BillR
>
>--
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>  92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
>  89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
>  84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D,
>http://www.okiebenz.com
>
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Re: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum

Mao,

I like that quote quite a bit. It seems that recently people have begun to
accept without question that the purpose of life is to make money, instead
of the purpose of money being to help one trade with others to meet their
basic needs for survival. I find the idea of a life purposed around
extracting a profit from the world to be a very depressing and dull
prospect.

Tyler

> Here's the quote from Adam Smith:
> I mean we may get back to a saner kind of world -- what Adam
> Smith called "cultivation" or "civilization" -- where we don't all
> sort of spend our life trying to make money, to buy things we don't
> really need to impress the neighbors, and so on. Where we actually do
> work -- not 60 hours a week, but 40 hours a week. Where we actually do
> take holidays. Where we actually get to know our kids again. Where it
> actually becomes smart to have a tiny car, to walk and bicycle and
> these sorts of things. And we may find we enjoy it actually just as
> much as the hectic pace that we've seen in recent years. I've often
> said that capitalism, particularly in America, is a very exhausting
> business. It tires people out.


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Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

I downloaded and ran it with no problems. I use Avast! free home computer
protection. It listed the key for all my MS stuff and a couple of other
things.
BillR

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of MG
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 10:34 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

Dave,

I went and downloaded this thing cause I thought it would be neat to 
have. When I unpacked it my virus guard had a problem with it. Something 
about it contains the SPR tool passview XPA whatever that is. I'm 
thinking it may be as little as the engine that looks for the keys or as 
big as something that looks for the keys and sends them back to someone 
somewhere. Does anyone know anything on this?

Manfred

Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:30:40 -0500
From: "dave walton" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

It's a good idea to record your activation codes before the shit hits
  the
fan. You can use Magical Jelly Bean Keyfinder to get them if you don't
  have
the original codes. And don't just put them in a file on your hard disk
  - if
it dies you can't get to them.

http://magicaljellybean.com/keyfinder/

-Dave Walton

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[MBZ] Autoworkers

2009-01-09 Thread Scott Ritchey

I'm still trying to verify the facts, but I think it is close,

According to Forbes:

Labor cost per hour, wages and benefits for hourly workers.

Ford: $70.51 ($141,020 per year)

GM: $73.26 ($146,520 per year)

Chrysler: $75.86 ($151,720 per year)

Toyota, Honda, Nissan (in U.S.): $48.00 ($96,000 per year)

According to AAUP and IES, the average annual compensation for a college
professor in 2006 was $92,973 (average salary nationally of $73,207 + 27%
benefits).

Then there's the "Job Bank"

When a D3 (Detroit 3 carmaker) lays an employee off, that employee continues
to receive all benefits - medical, retirement, etc., etc., PLUS an hourly
wage of $31/hour.

Here's a typical story

"We just go in and play crossword puzzles, watch videos that someone brings
in or read the newspaper," he says. "Otherwise, I just sit."

Now the D3 wants Joe Taxpayer to pick up this tab in a $25 Billion bailout
package - soon to be increased to $45 Billion if Nancy Pelosi and Hillary
Clinton have their way.

We ALL have problems paying for our Medical Insurance - but the Democrat
leaders in Congress now want us to pay the Medical Insurance premiums of
folks who have RETIRED from Ford, GM and Chrysler.

Not a good deal for us.

How about Chapter 11 - and getting rid of these ridiculous union contracts?

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Re: [MBZ] Loctite Freeze and Release

2009-01-09 Thread Curt Raymond

Thats why I said sometimes.

Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:36:07 -0500
From: Mitch Haley 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Loctite Freeze and Release
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Curt Raymond wrote:
> Sometimes breaking a bolt is the best result,

...if it's threaded into a nut that you can also replace.

Mitch.


  
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Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

2009-01-09 Thread Loren Faeth

That could be.  I have never seen the home edition.  I know the 
consumer big boxes foisted it on unsuspecting customers, but I have 
stayed far, far away from that and the virus formerly known as 
Winders ME.  I have played with vista business some, but found no 
functional relevance to justify its existence.

Just another reason to buy a Mac.  The mac OS is the Mac OS.  They 
don't sell crippled versions.  (yeah, I know LT DON says I should be 
running 6 or 8 different versions of ubutnix or some such thing) If 
you choose to upgrade the Mac OS, it costs something like $100 for a 
full version, not $400 to $500 or more.  a 3-4 yr old Mac generally 
performs as well as a new windows machine in the experience i have 
had.  I currently still use an ibook 400 mhz for my on the road 
computer.  It will connect to any windows machine and gives me the 
windows screen via remote desktop.  I would like to upgrade to one of 
the early macbooks some year, as they are about 3 years old now.  I 
got a newer, faster Powerbook G4, but I find myself using the ibook 
still, even though it is 7-8 years old.  I like the small light 
machine that the old ibook is.  The powerbook and even a new macbook 
are bigger and heavier.  Yeah, I know there is the "air" but I often 
need a cd/dvd, and they are still bigger.

At 08:41 AM 1/9/2009, you wrote:

Perhaps the problem is that mine is the Home Edition, not the Pro.  I can
get to system tools easily enough, but there is no 'backup' choice. I am
doing a search for the ntbackup.exe file at the moment ... no luck there
either.
BillR

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 12:38 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

Backup is there in XP Pro.  If you use the bubble gum interface as it
comes out of the box, there should still be a way to get to
accessories through the programs button.  Look for "accessories" or
"system tools."  backup is in system tools.

Or just do a search for ntbackup.exe that should find it for you.

At 05:31 PM 1/8/2009, you wrote:
>Loren - I use XP, which does not have 'backup.' It has a system restore
>feature, which I have set a few times, but any time I have needed it there
>has not been a restore point even though I have created several.  Should I
>use one available on the internet?
>BillR
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
>On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
>Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:52 PM
>To: Mercedes Discussion List
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive
>
>In Windows:
>GO to Start then programs
>then accessories
>then system tools
>then backup
>that launches the backup program.  CHoose to configure it manually,
>and in the process, you can schedule backups
>with that, you can schedule it to backup every night while you sleep,
>or once a week or whatever you want.  DO back up "system state" as
>that will help to recover if you have a hard drive failure.
>
>Most USB drives also come with some form of backup software.  I
>prefer to let the builtin backup do the work, as it stays the same
>regardless of what/where i backup to.
>
>At 05:43 PM 1/7/2009, you wrote:
> >I have a WiFi net work at home, run WinXP.
> >
> >I'd like to buy one of the plug in hard drives and configure to auto
> >backup the 2 PC and one Laptop.
> >
> >Is this possible to do?  Software?
> >
> >
> >--
> >
> >Peter T. Arnold, Quality Mgr.
> >Ultracast, LLC
> >199 Freshwater Blvd.
> >Enfield, CT 06082
> >(860) 253-5015
> >
> >"A problem well stated is a problem half solved." - Charles F. Kettering
> >
> >
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>Loren Faeth
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

2009-01-09 Thread Loren Faeth


that is a good idea.

At 08:52 AM 1/9/2009, you wrote:
go into add/remove programs,then select windows options or something 
like that, gives you a list of all the optional windows parts that 
are installed.  Perhaps its just not selected.


Bill R wrote:

Perhaps the problem is that mine is the Home Edition, not the Pro.  I can
get to system tools easily enough, but there is no 'backup' choice. I am
doing a search for the ntbackup.exe file at the moment ... no luck there
either.
BillR


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 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D,
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Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

2009-01-09 Thread MG


Dave,

I went and downloaded this thing cause I thought it would be neat to 
have. When I unpacked it my virus guard had a problem with it. Something 
about it contains the SPR tool passview XPA whatever that is. I'm 
thinking it may be as little as the engine that looks for the keys or as 
big as something that looks for the keys and sends them back to someone 
somewhere. Does anyone know anything on this?


Manfred



Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:30:40 -0500
From: "dave walton" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive



It's a good idea to record your activation codes before the shit hits
 the
fan. You can use Magical Jelly Bean Keyfinder to get them if you don't
 have
the original codes. And don't just put them in a file on your hard disk
 - if
it dies you can't get to them.

http://magicaljellybean.com/keyfinder/

-Dave Walton

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Re: [MBZ] Daily driving old cars (was 2005 Magnum)

2009-01-09 Thread slozuk...@htva.net

S, are you saying that you are gonna sell me my 240d back for what you 
payed me for it?  I shall not be kept down by the lack of parts.I am 
stubborn and i know several welders and machinists...lol

Mike
-Original Message-
Date: Friday, January 09, 2009 1:53:18 am
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
From: Steve MacSween 
Subject: [MBZ] Daily driving old cars (was 2005 Magnum)

on 1/8/09 21:34, Mountain Man at maontin@gmail.com wrote:

> I think it applies to the dialog.  We are a culture that has gotten
> waaay beyond the necessity of living and are hurting ourselves for it.
> mao

I read these discussions with great interest.

One of the main reasons I stuck with the older cars for years was my belief
in the fact that there is a certain nobility in keeping something that was
built to last and serve a useful purpose, active and useful. Just as, for
example, my parents always purchased the high-end furniture and had it
refinished/recovered/rebuilt as the decades passed.

Unfortunately, you can only be the salmon who decides to swim against the
current up to a certain point.

In my part of the northeast/rustbelt there is simply no interest in older
cars anymore, as far as the auto industry is concerned. There are virtually
no wrenches left who have the inclination to work on even the most pristine
older Benz for anything resembling sane money.

The markups on working on the newer European models are just too alluring.
They see a 126 as a bothersome anachronism. A turbodiesel 126 drips oil on
their shop floor to boot. The guy who gave me the $440 bill for my tranny
cable actually had the brass balls to complain about that. I kid you not.
And that car did not leak much.

Oh, there were bright spots. My local import parts dealer always helped me
out. But they are getting frustrated. Every last significant part I ordered
over the last year was either wrong (listing problem) or failed right out of
the box and had to be exchanged. Not sustainable for them.

The manager of the parts counter of one of our local dealers is a great guy.
He always helped me out. But over the last few months I have been hearing
something I never before experienced with Mercedes: "Sorry, that's NLA" (or
backordered forever, in Mercedes parlance).

Kaleb suffers from the conceit common to many people who are knowledgeable
about working on older cars. If I understand it, it cannot be hard.
Unfortunately I was born with two left thumbs, I am not naturally
mechanically inclined and what I have learned came really, really hard over
many hours of trial, error and more error. Yeah, in the parlance of my high
school years, I'm a five-star dork. And I got into wrenching my own stuff
way too late in life. My bad on that.

When you take the attitude that you should not be driving an older car if
you cannot do this or that job, then this community starts to sound like a
religious cult. It makes me very uncomfortable.

Most of the people I have corresponded with on these assorted MB lists (and
I have been around since Hurst was looking for his first Mercedes on Dave
L's original one) relied on some level of shop support to keep their cars on
the road. When that is no longer there, you are at the mercy of people's
memories as you troll multiple lists for advice, in the hope that someone
has had the same situation as you in the past. I can tell you have had
numerous instances where I either came up empty-handed, or worse got bad
advice from someone whose memory had evidently faded.

As usual I have rambled a bit. So yes, I miss my 126 and I miss making a
statement against the consumer culture. But the man will get you in the end,
as we used to say in the 70s.

So will trying to drive 25-yr old cars in a region whose climate ranges from
-35 deg C in the worst of the winter, to 35 deg C or more with punishing
humidity in the summers. Old equipment creaks, groans and fails when asked
to tackle that.

And so, finally, did I :)

Cheers
Mac

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Welders, again

2009-01-09 Thread Jim Cathey


Did he throw in some old microwave ovens as a bonus?


Nah, I've still got plenty left!

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Recalibrate W126 Speedometer


Jim Cathey wrote:
I think 124's might be mechanical 


Unfortunately, yes.  I hate removing instrument clusters with speedo cables!

John


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Re: [MBZ] Recalibrate W126 Speedometer


Electrical

Hendrik & Fay wrote:

Is it electrical or cable driven?

Hendrik
who has adjusted cable driven speedos

John Robbins wrote:
Is there a way to re-calibrate a W126 speedometer?  The one in the 
500SE is kind of wonky compared to GPS.  Could something like this 
cause the cruise control to be messed up?


John




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Re: [MBZ] New repair DVD's available


relng...@aol.com wrote:
MBUSA has released 2 new DVD's for W203 & W211 chassis...first time they have 
released customer(client) repair info before the models were replaced!



For the W211 chassis P-2700-211-06



I called the 800 number to get my W211 DVD a while back.  It is a *lot* 
better than the older manuals, but it still isn't super straight 
forward.  There is a lot of extra info as well... it goes through the 
theory on a lot of the systems, which is very helpful!


John


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Re: [MBZ] MBUSA price bumps


relng...@aol.com wrote:
Indeed so. I just ordered a navigation update DVD for my C-300's hard drive 
Comand system and the price went up 25% on 1/1/2009.


How much did it cost?  If I ever add the nav brain box I'd have to buy 
the navigation DVDs as well...


John


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Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

go into add/remove programs,then select windows options or something 
like that, gives you a list of all the optional windows parts that are 
installed.  Perhaps its just not selected.


Bill R wrote:

Perhaps the problem is that mine is the Home Edition, not the Pro.  I can
get to system tools easily enough, but there is no 'backup' choice. I am
doing a search for the ntbackup.exe file at the moment ... no luck there
either.
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Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

Perhaps the problem is that mine is the Home Edition, not the Pro.  I can
get to system tools easily enough, but there is no 'backup' choice. I am
doing a search for the ntbackup.exe file at the moment ... no luck there
either.
BillR

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 12:38 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive

Backup is there in XP Pro.  If you use the bubble gum interface as it 
comes out of the box, there should still be a way to get to 
accessories through the programs button.  Look for "accessories" or 
"system tools."  backup is in system tools.

Or just do a search for ntbackup.exe that should find it for you.

At 05:31 PM 1/8/2009, you wrote:
>Loren - I use XP, which does not have 'backup.' It has a system restore
>feature, which I have set a few times, but any time I have needed it there
>has not been a restore point even though I have created several.  Should I
>use one available on the internet?
>BillR
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
>On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
>Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:52 PM
>To: Mercedes Discussion List
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T BAck up Harddrive
>
>In Windows:
>GO to Start then programs
>then accessories
>then system tools
>then backup
>that launches the backup program.  CHoose to configure it manually,
>and in the process, you can schedule backups
>with that, you can schedule it to backup every night while you sleep,
>or once a week or whatever you want.  DO back up "system state" as
>that will help to recover if you have a hard drive failure.
>
>Most USB drives also come with some form of backup software.  I
>prefer to let the builtin backup do the work, as it stays the same
>regardless of what/where i backup to.
>
>At 05:43 PM 1/7/2009, you wrote:
> >I have a WiFi net work at home, run WinXP.
> >
> >I'd like to buy one of the plug in hard drives and configure to auto
> >backup the 2 PC and one Laptop.
> >
> >Is this possible to do?  Software?
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Daily driving old cars (was 2005 Magnum)

2009-01-09 Thread LWB250

Well put, Steve.

I agree with you totally.  While I was formally trained as a mechanic, working 
on these older cars becomes more and more problematic as they age.  Parts are 
getting harder to find, and unless you have a legacy shop in your area, forget 
finding someone to work on them when something comes up that you don't want to 
do or don't have the means or ability to do.

Despite being able to service and repair these cars if I chose to, my 
priorities and interests have shifted to the point where I don't care to spend 
hours of my weekends underneath them or buried up to my elbows in one.  I guess 
if my kids took an interest in them (they don't) or I had some other compelling 
reason to do it, I would.  Otherwise, I have gotten to the point where a car is 
transportation and should not require constant upkeep on my part.

That being said, the day will come that I will probably find one to tinker with 
as a "fun" car, but I have no expectation that I will ever have one as a daily 
driver again.  There just isn't enough time in the day.

My youngest son has it in his mind that he would like to have a 300E.  I have 
been gently directing him elsewhere, as he is not a mechanical sort, although 
he's willing to learn and does have the ability if he chose to do so.  I don't 
think he would have the tolerance for the time and effort involved for 
maintaining a car of this vintage.  I would also like to see him in something 
newer, as newer = safer, even taking the MB safety record into account.

Dan

--- On Fri, 1/9/09, Steve MacSween  wrote:

From: Steve MacSween 
Subject: [MBZ] Daily driving old cars (was 2005 Magnum)
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 1:53 AM

on 1/8/09 21:34, Mountain Man at maontin@gmail.com wrote:

> I think it applies to the dialog.  We are a culture that has gotten
> waaay beyond the necessity of living and are hurting ourselves for it.
> mao

I read these discussions with great interest.

One of the main reasons I stuck with the older cars for years was my belief
in the fact that there is a certain nobility in keeping something that was
built to last and serve a useful purpose, active and useful. Just as, for
example, my parents always purchased the high-end furniture and had it
refinished/recovered/rebuilt as the decades passed.

Unfortunately, you can only be the salmon who decides to swim against the
current up to a certain point.

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Re: [MBZ] Loctite Freeze and Release