Re: [MBZ] 300SDL almost-overheating...
I'll preface this by saying that my approach to fixing overheating issues is not too far from "replace parts from cheapest to most expensive until fixed". Sounds like you've eliminated the mechanical fan. Have you tested the electric fan(s)? That test is not too hard. Acid flush may help, next would be radiator or water pump. T-stat should be replaced every other coolant change. You could also try a new expansion tank cap. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Tim C Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 6:55 PM To: Mercedes List Subject: [MBZ] 300SDL almost-overheating... I feel like a newbie asking such a question. But I am not sure where to go. I don't see any coolant loss. I also don't seem to have super-high pressures, and didn't see any bubbles, though I didn't put the pressure meter on it yet. I think that would eliminate head stuff (which is a #22, relatively new)? No AC in this car. The electric fan does not come on at 105, but it isn't that hot usually so I have left that alone for now. Big fan tears up cardboard even at 80C, so I guess the viscous coupling is okay? Engine will peg at 85C on the interstate, mostly, and does not gain or lose temperature at idle in the shade; it starts to heat up slowly at idle in the sun, and heats up very quickly on low grades at low speed. My IR thermometer agrees with the gauge. I have let it get to about 110C as a test, though it has only broken 100C once on the road - but summer is just starting. Heater brings temperature back down at reasonable rate. The radiator inlet and outlet are about 20C different. I do not know the history of the radiator but it looks fairly new. As mentioned, no missing coolant. No obvious air blockage. Sudden onset worries me, but that could just be ambient temperatures - still, I didn't have any problem at 80F a few weeks ago. Acid flush and a new thermostat? What am I missing? Thanks for any clues, -Tim Newbie Yes, this means all three vehicles need something ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] late 560 engine question
I think you're confusing ASR with ASD, both options for traction control in
that era. ASR uses the ABS sensors and ABS pump to apply brakes on the
slipping wheel, I believe. ASD is basically a locking differential, with
hydraulically activated clutch packs, which takes cues from the ABS sensors
to decide when to lock the differential. It seems that ASD was the option
for oil burners and ASR was used for gassers, but I think one could also get
ASR with an OM; I think I remember reading one of Dave M's adventures
seeking and purchasing such a car specifically for the ASR option.
-Max
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Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 1:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] late 560 engine question
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think Alex is referring to the big shiny alu-min-ium (british
> pronunciation) gizmo behind the upper hose the CC actuator.
>
Yup, that's the gizmo.
Which then leads to another question: I ran the VIN for this car ('91
560SEC) through the Russian VIN decoder page, and it does indeed have
the ASR option. How does that work? I know there are clutch packs on
either side of the diff or some such to lock up the wheels
independently... are they driven hydraulically, off an existing pump,
off their own special pump, electrically somehow, or what?
Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Starts and dies - why? Because it was predicted by some &%^*wit with a book in his hand!!!
If the filters are that blocked that they can stop the engine at idle, the engine WILL not restart, in tank strainers may do this but rare on idle with a fullish tank. Eliminate the engine shut off mechanism from the equation. If it makes you feel better and the list, by pass the fuel tank by sticking a hose (cut at angle and preferably with a cheap in line filter at the end) in a can of Diesel. Hendrik who knows a little bit about OM's. andrew strasfogel wrote: Low hanging fruit - I'll replace both fuel filters first. On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Max Dillon wrote: A too-tight rack damper bolt will cause problems, chief among them is the hard start condition when cold that Kaleb asked about. You could try backing it off 1/4 turn or maybe 1/2, but pay attention so you can put it back if that doesn't help. Right now my money is on idle speed too low, timing out of adjustment, or valves needing adjusting. Strange behavior can also occur if you have messed up the routing of the vacuum lines to/from the ignition switch and the shut-off valve. Fuel filters may also be a problem - did you install new filters with the transplant engine? Usually fuel filter plugging will rob power at higher engine RPM's, and I think you did mention that high-end power seemed low compared to the recently removed engine. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Starts and dies - why? Because it was predicted by some &%^*wit with a book in his hand!!!
Eliminate the engine shut off mechanism from the equation. I agree. It's a trivial test, too. If the two lines to the keyswitch valve got swapped the line to the IP is blocked (rather than vented) when the car is running, and it might be possible for there to be leakage, or weird crankcase vs atmospheric pressure effects. (Oh, and you'll have a vacuum leak while running, too.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SDL almost-overheating...
Shouldn't matter once the car is moving... My '85's fan clutch didn't work at all and as long as it didn't sit still for a long time. -Curt Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 23:37:12 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300SDL almost-overheating... Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What about the fan clutch - have you checked it? On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > I'm in a similar boat with my '84 190D. When I asked last week many folks > suggested the radiator needs replacing. I haven't done any more > troubleshooting since then as the car was with my Indy for a window > regulator, I'll be picking it up tomorrow AM. > > The suggestion was that a radiator flush with citric acid couldn't hurt and > was inexpensive in everything but time. I'll try it in a couple weeks. > > -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SDL almost-overheating...
I have a question about the inlet - outlet temp testing. In theory - even if a significant drop is noted, (such as 20C), wouldn't a blocked radiator reduce the volume of water being cycled? So even with an effective water pump, the cooling system would be unable to keep up with the heat producd by the engine. The only accurate way to do the test is to mimic the conditions in which the car overheats. The best way I have found to measure the radiators effectivness is using the IR thermomter and splitting the radiator into 6 sections, and drawing it on a pice of paper. Then using the IR thermometer maping the temps. As discussed, you almost always find a cool spot. A small differential in temp will be greatly amplified when the engine is producing alot of heat. On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > Shouldn't matter once the car is moving... > > My '85's fan clutch didn't work at all and as long as it didn't sit still > for a long time. > > -Curt > > Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 23:37:12 -0400 > From: andrew strasfogel > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300SDL almost-overheating... > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > What about the fan clutch - have you checked it? > > On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Curt Raymond > wrote: > > > I'm in a similar boat with my '84 190D. When I asked last week many folks > > suggested the radiator needs replacing. I haven't done any more > > troubleshooting since then as the car was with my Indy for a window > > regulator, I'll be picking it up tomorrow AM. > > > > The suggestion was that a radiator flush with citric acid couldn't hurt > and > > was inexpensive in everything but time. I'll try it in a couple weeks. > > > > -Curt > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Starts and dies - why? Because it was predicted by some &%^*wit with a book in his hand!!!
Would this also account for low power and general sluggishness above 35 mph? On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: > Eliminate the engine shut off mechanism from the equation. >> > > I agree. It's a trivial test, too. If the two lines to the > keyswitch valve got swapped the line to the IP is blocked > (rather than vented) when the car is running, and it might > be possible for there to be leakage, or weird crankcase vs > atmospheric pressure effects. (Oh, and you'll have a vacuum > leak while running, too.) > > -- Jim > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Starts and dies - why? Because it was predicted by some &%^*wit with a book in his hand!!!
It could - LT Don aka Wanko the Sane had similar problem on his 240D which the Late Dr. M. B. helped him figure out. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 10:21 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Starts and dies - why? Because it was predicted by some &%^*wit with a book in his hand!!! Would this also account for low power and general sluggishness above 35 mph? On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: > Eliminate the engine shut off mechanism from the equation. >> > > I agree. It's a trivial test, too. If the two lines to the > keyswitch valve got swapped the line to the IP is blocked > (rather than vented) when the car is running, and it might > be possible for there to be leakage, or weird crankcase vs > atmospheric pressure effects. (Oh, and you'll have a vacuum > leak while running, too.) > > -- Jim > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Starts and dies - why? Because it was predicted by some &%^*wit with a book in his hand!!!
Does this car have the vacuum control hose coming off the back of the intake manifold? --R On 5/27/2011 10:20 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Would this also account for low power and general sluggishness above 35 mph? On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: Eliminate the engine shut off mechanism from the equation. I agree. It's a trivial test, too. If the two lines to the keyswitch valve got swapped the line to the IP is blocked (rather than vented) when the car is running, and it might be possible for there to be leakage, or weird crankcase vs atmospheric pressure effects. (Oh, and you'll have a vacuum leak while running, too.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Ian Frazier
He does it again not as good as his "Lamentations of the Father", but still entertaining. http://www.newyorker.com/humor/2009/09/14/090914sh_shouts_frazier?currentPage=1 Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] late 560 engine question
It runs off the power steering pump using the same fluid as the
self leveling system.
On 5/27/2011 12:25 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Dieselhead<126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
I think Alex is referring to the big shiny alu-min-ium (british
pronunciation) gizmo behind the upper hose the CC actuator.
Yup, that's the gizmo.
Which then leads to another question: I ran the VIN for this car ('91
560SEC) through the Russian VIN decoder page, and it does indeed have
the ASR option. How does that work? I know there are clutch packs on
either side of the diff or some such to lock up the wheels
independently... are they driven hydraulically, off an existing pump,
off their own special pump, electrically somehow, or what?
Alex
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[MBZ] Fwd: Diesel Fuel Injector Balance Pressure Tester - $100 (Newport)
Not mine etc. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred Original Message Subject:Diesel Fuel Injector Balance Pressure Tester - $100 (Newport) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 19:11:10 -0700 (PDT) From: fred.s...@yahoo.com To: fred.s...@verizon.net fred.s...@yahoo.com has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. Visit the posting at http://providence.craigslist.org/pts/2399142483.html to contact the person who posted this. Diesel Fuel Injector Balance Pressure Tester Date: 2011-05-23, 11:30PM Diesel Fuel Injector Balance Pressure Tester This tester is required for proper IDI (indirect injection) diesel fuel injector testing and overhaul. It will work on any mechanical Bosch type fuel injector with adjustable pressure release function. I bought this to tune up my Diesel Mercedes, and so only used it for one afternoon, and now don't need it anymore. Call Mike (401) 935-3184 * Location: Newport * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://providence.craigslist.org/pts/2399142483.html /this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: /http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/U2FsdGVkX182NTYxNjU2MVW88yeBCu1q75_Y0pHGUYCiZXvAEIaM1eEccNvf4HgCRcbkxNqWTf6LoOMcxKP0-Q ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fwd: mercedes 300d - $400 (georgia)
Not mine,etc. Georgia, Vermont. North of Burlington. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred Original Message Subject:mercedes 300d - $400 (georgia) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 19:34:59 -0700 (PDT) From: fred.s...@yahoo.com To: fred.s...@verizon.net fred.s...@yahoo.com has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. Visit the posting at http://burlington.craigslist.org/pts/2406889589.html to contact the person who posted this. mercedes 300d Date: 2011-05-27, 9:01PM mercedes 300d diesel , auto , great conds , in and out . run's and drive's need's a muffler . fix and drive . 343-3811 * Location: georgia * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://burlington.craigslist.org/pts/2406889589.html /this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: /http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/U2FsdGVkX18yNzg1MTI3OP0FiBbagu8eXbyP0M-hV30JhqyvByLeyzRmWz0AOEhVf4sw2hdSyx9C_KL5mObJXA ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Today at the Museum of Flight/Seattle
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: mercedes 300d - $400 (georgia)
Man, if that was in my area, I'd be all over it! I've got the perfect place to park it and work on it. Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: mercedes 300d - $400 (georgia)
On Fri, 27 May 2011 21:43:54 -0700 "Kevin Kraly" wrote: > Man, if that was in my area, I'd be all over it! I've got the perfect > place to park it and work on it. Yes, and then you could correct his usage of apostrophes! :-) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today at the Museum of Flight/Seattle
On Fri, 27 May 2011 23:12:37 EDT relng...@aol.com wrote: > http://www.kodakgallery.com/gallery/creativeapps/slideShow/Main.jsp > > Click on full screen Hmmm... All I get is a white page in both Seamonkey and Firefox Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
