Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Yes I wired the chain to the sprocket. It does require two people and some finagling to put the head back on to work around the sprocket. -Rolf What about the chain guide on the IP side? After the pins are pulled, can it be slid out before the head is pulled? I am not worried about the banana rail the tensioner pushes on.it'll stay put as the head goes off and on. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Pull the keeper off, then pull out on pipe with o-ring. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: >Behind the injector pump is a coolant connection >with a 32mm nut at the head and a metal keeper >clip. Is it taking off by pulling the keeper and >sliding out an oring connection? Or, do you take >the nut(bushing) out of the head? > >Other than that, and crawling under to take loose >the oil supply and turbo oil drain, the trans >cooler lines and lower radiator hose, then I am >ready to pull the head bolts. > >Chain has maybe 1/2 º stretch or less. >Essentially it is negligible stretch. Some good >news. > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 747 D check
http://thelexicans.wordpress.com/2012/11/21/british-airways-boeing-747-400-victor-x-ray-undergoes-d-checks/ Roughly 72,000 man hours, according to the one poster who had worked on one. About 2.2 million greenies plus parts. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Behind the injector pump is a coolant connection with a 32mm nut at the head and a metal keeper clip. Is it taking off by pulling the keeper and sliding out an oring connection? Or, do you take the nut(bushing) out of the head? Other than that, and crawling under to take loose the oil supply and turbo oil drain, the trans cooler lines and lower radiator hose, then I am ready to pull the head bolts. Chain has maybe 1/2 º stretch or less. Essentially it is negligible stretch. Some good news. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Overhaul
Not as much work as a headgasket, I admit. http://thelexicans.wordpress.com/2012/11/21/british-airways-boeing-747-400-victor-x-ray-undergoes-d-checks/ RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
I found a cheapo set made of 1/2" hex stock at oreally? I am not thrilled, but I hope they do to get the bolts out. Nothing at HF, but I am sure I saw them at HF before. Maybe I just did not find them. I had a snappy socket. Big bucks. I thought it was in my tool box, but it is not. Wonder where it went? I may be looking for a snappy truck Its a triple square aka XZN bolt. I used the cheapo set from autozoo to pull mine and then the proper socket set came in from zdmak in time to put it back together. -Rolf Sent from my ASUS Pad Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: Crapola I don't have the special socket for the head bolts along. >What is it called? > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Its a triple square aka XZN bolt. I used the cheapo set from autozoo to pull mine and then the proper socket set came in from zdmak in time to put it back together. -Rolf Sent from my ASUS Pad Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > >Crapola I don't have the special socket for the head bolts along. >What is it called? > >I don't think it is a triple square. Is it a 12 point 10 mm? > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Looks like XZN-10. THat is triple square. No snappy at this hour. Will go on the prowl. Maybe HF or flaps? Crapola I don't have the special socket for the head bolts along. What is it called? I don't think it is a triple square. Is it a 12 point 10 mm? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Nope, just not enough time. Tomorrow Im buttoning it altogether with the stock pump and going to run as is until I get back from Germany in January. -Rolf Sent from my ASUS Pad Max Dillon wrote: >Why haven't you let it warm up? Some sort of break-in process? >-- >Max Dillon >Charleston SC >'95 E300 >'87 300TD > >Rolf wrote: > >>Yup. Not sure how it runs entirely yet, havent let it warm up all the >>way yet. >> >> >>Sent from my ASUS Pad >> >>Max Dillon wrote: >> >>>MLS = ? Multi-layer steel? >>>-- >>>Max Dillon >>>Charleston SC >>>'95 E300 >>>'87 300TD >>> >>>Rolf wrote: >>> The 606 HG is MLS instead of composite. Before anyone else jump on >>the bandwagon, maybe we see how it pans out for me. You do have to drill >>~7 holes or so in the 606 hg. -Rolf On 11/22/2012 7:23 PM, Dieselhead wrote: >> I used the copper spray on stuff based on the recommendations of >>our >> Finnish friends. >> >> Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE > > Rolf, > > What is the theory of using a 606 head gasket instead of a 603 > headgasket on a 603? > > A head gasket for a NA 606 set would explain why there was no >>gasket > for the turbo. By definition, no turbo on a NA 606. > > I have never used anything except a light coating of oil on head gaskets. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>___ >>>http://www.okiebenz.com >>>For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>>To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>___ >>http://www.okiebenz.com >>For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Crapola I don't have the special socket for the head bolts along. What is it called? I don't think it is a triple square. Is it a 12 point 10 mm? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] jabbahur...@gmail.com
On Nov 23, 2012 1:02 PM, "G. M. Brown" hotmail.com > wrote: > > > I sent a note to jabbahursty @ gmail.com on 11/17/12 and have yet to receive a response . . . does anyone know if he's still around? He was active on Facebook, might try there. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Why haven't you let it warm up? Some sort of break-in process? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Rolf wrote: >Yup. Not sure how it runs entirely yet, havent let it warm up all the >way yet. > > >Sent from my ASUS Pad > >Max Dillon wrote: > >>MLS = ? Multi-layer steel? >>-- >>Max Dillon >>Charleston SC >>'95 E300 >>'87 300TD >> >>Rolf wrote: >> >>>The 606 HG is MLS instead of composite. Before anyone else jump on >the >>>bandwagon, maybe we see how it pans out for me. You do have to drill >~7 >>> >>>holes or so in the 606 hg. >>> >>>-Rolf >>> >>>On 11/22/2012 7:23 PM, Dieselhead wrote: > I used the copper spray on stuff based on the recommendations of >our >>> > Finnish friends. > > Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE Rolf, What is the theory of using a 606 head gasket instead of a 603 headgasket on a 603? A head gasket for a NA 606 set would explain why there was no >gasket for the turbo. By definition, no turbo on a NA 606. I have never used anything except a light coating of oil on head >>>gaskets. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>>___ >>>http://www.okiebenz.com >>>For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>>To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>___ >>http://www.okiebenz.com >>For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Re: Mama Dip's?
Thanks. 'Bout what I thought. We'll check it out next time we're there with Grndson. His Mom, Dad and he are taking SWMBO and me to dinner this evening at a "swanky" restaurant near here - Goldsboro - actually the restaurant is in Kinston, NC, 20 miles away. I don't plan to wear a tux, though. ;<) Wilton - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 2:59 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT Re: Mama Dip's? Just got back from lunch there, good suthrun soul food. Yo butt will get big just walking in the door. My SIL is good friends with daughter dip and my nephews go to school with grandkids dip. Mama was a cook in a white fraternity for a long time (them boys ate good but apparently it was somewhat difficult for Mama given the times and place) and quit that job at some point to start this restaurant. Nice place, nice folks, tasty treats. Highly recommended. The other place down the street is Millstone, next to the surplus/junk shop, ok but nothing special. I liked Mama Dip's better, but be prepared for the kitchen time -- everything is made right then so it took awhile though it was not busy. --R On 11/21/2012 5:53 PM, WILTON wrote: BTW, Rich, have you ever eaten a Mama Dip's? On W. Rosemary St., Chapel ill, 'bout 4 1/2 blocks west of N. Columbia St. 'Took Grndson to lunch at Breadman's on Rosemary Sunday before last; 'bout 3 1/2 blocks west of Columbia St. Place was packed; 'think SWMBO and I were the only non-students there. Used to hear a lot about Mama Dip's, but we've never been there; 'thought we might try it next time we're there, 'less you go first and nix (nicht?) it. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Re: Mama Dip's?
Just got back from lunch there, good suthrun soul food. Yo butt will get big just walking in the door. My SIL is good friends with daughter dip and my nephews go to school with grandkids dip. Mama was a cook in a white fraternity for a long time (them boys ate good but apparently it was somewhat difficult for Mama given the times and place) and quit that job at some point to start this restaurant. Nice place, nice folks, tasty treats. Highly recommended. The other place down the street is Millstone, next to the surplus/junk shop, ok but nothing special. I liked Mama Dip's better, but be prepared for the kitchen time -- everything is made right then so it took awhile though it was not busy. --R On 11/21/2012 5:53 PM, WILTON wrote: BTW, Rich, have you ever eaten a Mama Dip's? On W. Rosemary St., Chapel ill, 'bout 4 1/2 blocks west of N. Columbia St. 'Took Grndson to lunch at Breadman's on Rosemary Sunday before last; 'bout 3 1/2 blocks west of Columbia St. Place was packed; 'think SWMBO and I were the only non-students there. Used to hear a lot about Mama Dip's, but we've never been there; 'thought we might try it next time we're there, 'less you go first and nix (nicht?) it. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 alignment
On Nov 23, 2012 8:44 AM, "Jaime Kopchinski" wrote: > Very often the difference in cost between cheap parts and good ones is less > than a tank of fuel. For most parts, it just doesn't make sense to cheap > out. Doing the job again in a year doesn't save you much money in the end. > Especially if you're paying someone to do the work. Well put and very true. I once had a 3/4 ton Chevy truck with a worn out front end. I rebuilt it using Auto Zone warranted forever parts. A year later they made good on their warrantee. Front end work is simple, but heavy, dirty work. I am doing motor mounts again as a result of the combination of a OM617 with bad injectors and cheap motor mounts. Oops. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 alignment
I posted that link and a link from Jaime showing all the front end rebuild pictures he had done on a 1984 300D. Rick Sent from my iPhone On Nov 23, 2012, at 10:20 AM, "Rich Thomas" wrote: > It's on my web site I'll get the link chortly > > --R > On 11/22/2012 7:54 PM, Mountain Man wrote: >> --R wrote: >>> I have a writeup on the 123 rebuild, and I have piccies and notes on the 126 >>> but I have not done the writeup yet. >> Please send me a copy of the 123 rebuild - thanks. >> mao >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] jabbahur...@gmail.com
I pinged him for you... maybe he needs to check his spam mail filters! Jaime On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 1:02 PM, G. M. Brown wrote: > > I sent a note to jabbahur...@gmail.com on 11/17/12 and have yet to > receive a response . . . does anyone know if he's still around? > TIA. > > G. M. Brown > Brevard, NC > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] jabbahur...@gmail.com
Yes he is still around. Bob R On Nov 23, 2012 11:02 AM, "G. M. Brown" wrote: > > I sent a note to jabbahur...@gmail.com on 11/17/12 and have yet to > receive a response . . . does anyone know if he's still around? > TIA. > > G. M. Brown > Brevard, NC > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Maybe worth looking at?
Its across the river from me, will kick tires for beer. http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/3428668456.html Sent from my ASUS Pad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] jabbahur...@gmail.com
I sent a note to jabbahur...@gmail.com on 11/17/12 and have yet to receive a response . . . does anyone know if he's still around? TIA. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Yes I wired the chain to the sprocket. It does require two people and some finagling to put the head back on to work around the sprocket. -Rolf I don't have a second person. Thus the engine hoist It works for heads too. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Or an engine hoist... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Rolf wrote: >Yes I wired the chain to the sprocket. It does require two people and >some finagling to put the head back on to work around the sprocket. > >-Rolf > >Sent from my ASUS Pad > >Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>https://picasaweb.google.com/110184791268815842578/OffWithHerHead?authuser=0&feat=directlink >>> >>>Better? >>> >>>On 11/22/2012 4:30 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: Cannot see photos. It wants me to "sign in". Randy >> >>Yep! >> >> From the pics it looks like you might have been able to wire the >>timing chain to the cam sprocket and leave it sit when you pulled the >>head. Is this the case? It is unclear from the pictures. I have >>always broken the chain on iron head engines. But most of them were >>more serious work than just changing a head gasket. The only 616 I >>did was a complete rebuild with new sleeves, so obviously the chain >>was coming out anyway. >> >>___ >>http://www.okiebenz.com >>For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 alignment
It's on my web site I'll get the link chortly --R On 11/22/2012 7:54 PM, Mountain Man wrote: --R wrote: I have a writeup on the 123 rebuild, and I have piccies and notes on the 126 but I have not done the writeup yet. Please send me a copy of the 123 rebuild - thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Yes I wired the chain to the sprocket. It does require two people and some finagling to put the head back on to work around the sprocket. -Rolf Sent from my ASUS Pad Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: >>https://picasaweb.google.com/110184791268815842578/OffWithHerHead?authuser=0&feat=directlink >> >>Better? >> >>On 11/22/2012 4:30 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: >>> >>>Cannot see photos. It wants me to "sign in". >>> >>>Randy > >Yep! > > From the pics it looks like you might have been able to wire the >timing chain to the cam sprocket and leave it sit when you pulled the >head. Is this the case? It is unclear from the pictures. I have >always broken the chain on iron head engines. But most of them were >more serious work than just changing a head gasket. The only 616 I >did was a complete rebuild with new sleeves, so obviously the chain >was coming out anyway. > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Dunno about your wife, but mine takes alot of money to make happy... -Rolf. Sent from my ASUS Pad Max Dillon wrote: >How much would you charge to pull and replace head on my wagon? >-- >Max Dillon >Charleston SC >'95 E300 >'87 300TD > >Rolf wrote: > >>Just the permatex stuff. Again, lets let me be the guinea pig, I've >>barely had the car running. >> >>On 11/23/2012 7:02 AM, Max Dillon wrote: >>> Where does one get the copper spray-on stuff? Brand name? >> >> >>___ >>http://www.okiebenz.com >>For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Yup. Not sure how it runs entirely yet, havent let it warm up all the way yet. Sent from my ASUS Pad Max Dillon wrote: >MLS = ? Multi-layer steel? >-- >Max Dillon >Charleston SC >'95 E300 >'87 300TD > >Rolf wrote: > >>The 606 HG is MLS instead of composite. Before anyone else jump on the >>bandwagon, maybe we see how it pans out for me. You do have to drill ~7 >> >>holes or so in the 606 hg. >> >>-Rolf >> >>On 11/22/2012 7:23 PM, Dieselhead wrote: I used the copper spray on stuff based on the recommendations of our >> Finnish friends. Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE >>> >>> Rolf, >>> >>> What is the theory of using a 606 head gasket instead of a 603 >>> headgasket on a 603? >>> >>> A head gasket for a NA 606 set would explain why there was no gasket >>> for the turbo. By definition, no turbo on a NA 606. >>> >>> I have never used anything except a light coating of oil on head >>gaskets. >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >>___ >>http://www.okiebenz.com >>For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
https://picasaweb.google.com/110184791268815842578/OffWithHerHead?authuser=0&feat=directlink Better? On 11/22/2012 4:30 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: Cannot see photos. It wants me to "sign in". Randy Yep! From the pics it looks like you might have been able to wire the timing chain to the cam sprocket and leave it sit when you pulled the head. Is this the case? It is unclear from the pictures. I have always broken the chain on iron head engines. But most of them were more serious work than just changing a head gasket. The only 616 I did was a complete rebuild with new sleeves, so obviously the chain was coming out anyway. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Where does one get the copper spray-on stuff? Brand name? I got mine at McFlaps. I used it on the Hercules motor in my genset, I had persistent head leakage problems. Don't really have enough hours on it to prove anything. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
How much would you charge to pull and replace head on my wagon? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Rolf wrote: >Just the permatex stuff. Again, lets let me be the guinea pig, I've >barely had the car running. > >On 11/23/2012 7:02 AM, Max Dillon wrote: >> Where does one get the copper spray-on stuff? Brand name? > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Rusty-Q pix
#36 is Rick MacJava and I looking under the hood of his wagon. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Rolf wrote: > >https://picasaweb.google.com/110184791268815842578/OffWithHerHead?authuser=0&feat=directlink > >Better? > >On 11/22/2012 4:30 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: >> >> Cannot see photos. It wants me to "sign in". >> >> Randy >> >> >> On 22/11/2012 2:31 PM, Rolf wrote: >>> In the process myself. I turned engine over this afternoon finally. >>> Some pics (seemed like I took way more). >>> >>> >http://picasaweb.google.com/m/viewer#album/110184791268815842578/5813450881345490977 >>> >>> Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE >>> >>> Max Dillon wrote: >>> Gasket for turbo to exhaust manifold. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Max Dillon wrote: > New copper nuts for the exhaust manifold. > Injector return line. > Gallon of fresh coolant if it's time. > New fuel filter. > Think about changing the oil immediately after you've run the new >head > a bit. > .001 dial gauge to check valve guide play. > Valve spring compressor and magnet to get the keepers out. I > rigged up > something using the OM606 injector tool, which has a nice hole in >the > side. Will send picture off list. Forceps was nice for putting >the > keepers back. > > I'll probably think of something else tomorrow. > > Head gasket kit from Rusty had new injector seals, new o-ring for > turbo > drain. Supply line for turbo needs no gasket. > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > '95 E300 > '87 300TD > > Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Special message to Max and anyone else who has recently BTDT: >> >> Looks like I get to change my first OM 603 head gasket. SDL has >oil >> smoke, and oil running out the exhaust. Turbo compressed air >outlet >> to the crossover pipe is clean as a whistle, so no turbo failure. >> >> So, I need the obvious: >> head gasket kit >> head bolts (or carefully measure stretch) >> valve seals >> turbo seal kit if not included in the head set (orings for >drain, >> gasket for supply) >> Injector nozzle heat shields (if not in head kit) >> Hose and a plastic bag to seal up nozzle holders and DV unions in >> lieu of a dozen capplugs of the right size. >> >> Things that I probably don't need as they are recent: >> valve cover gasket >> injector line clips >> Timing chain and guides >> >> Things I may need: >> 17 head or 22 head (have one in Boston. Just need to get it >west) >> >> Anything I am missing on these three lists? >> >> Any special tools needed aside from the special socket for the >head >> bolts? >> >> I may be taking the head off Fri or Sat. I won't get it back on >> until Christmas time. >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archi
Re: [MBZ] W123 alignment
Blue wrench, heating them to a dull glow, would help prevent rusted bolts from breaking in the ends of the torsion arm. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Michael Canfield wrote: >Using cheap parts is sometimes the only way to get by. I agree, don't >rebuild the whole front end if all you can afford is cheap, just >replace >what you need to get by. > >Make sure the bolts in the swaybar aren't rusted so badly that they are >going to snap off if you try to replace the upper control arms on a >salt >belt car. > >Mike >On Nov 23, 2012 7:46 AM, "Jaime Kopchinski" wrote: > >> The problem is that if the rebuild was done with inferior parts, it >likely >> needs to be done again. It would be interesting to know what was >done, >> where the parts came from, and what brand they were. Or, the cost of >the >> parts may be a good indicator. >> >> In my experience with many W123s, you can tighten up the front end >quite >> nicely by replacing the upper control ams (pretty easy) and any >steering >> linkage that has play (usually idler arm bushing). Higher milage >cars >> (150k+), or those from extreme environments usually need more. >> >> Shot upper control arms will look something like this: >> http://images.jaimekop.com/2009_09_01_Front_End_Rebuild/large-2.html >> >> Note the gaps between the bushings and the arms, as well as the >distorted >> appearance of the left bushing. If you post some pictures of various >> parts, it might give us an idea of whats going on. >> >> A complete rebuild is always the best way to go, but doing it with >the >> parts that will last as long as the originals will cost you big. If >you're >> going to use cheap parts, don't bother. The car in those photos was >done >> 3 years ago and still drives perfect. >> >> Jaime >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Mountain Man >> wrote: >> >> > Max wrote: >> > > I think complete suspension rebuild, then alignment. >> > >> > I think that was done before we bought the car. I will ask. >> > mao >> > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Jaime Kopchinski >> http://www.jaimekop.com/ >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 alignment
Agreed. Mike On Nov 23, 2012 8:44 AM, "Jaime Kopchinski" wrote: > Very often the difference in cost between cheap parts and good ones is less > than a tank of fuel. For most parts, it just doesn't make sense to cheap > out. Doing the job again in a year doesn't save you much money in the end. > Especially if you're paying someone to do the work. > > Unless your car has one foot in the grave and you don't expect it to last > another year... then put all the garbage you want on it! > > Jaime > > > > On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Michael Canfield >wrote: > > > Using cheap parts is sometimes the only way to get by. I agree, don't > > rebuild the whole front end if all you can afford is cheap, just replace > > what you need to get by. > > > > Make sure the bolts in the swaybar aren't rusted so badly that they are > > going to snap off if you try to replace the upper control arms on a salt > > belt car. > > > > Mike > > On Nov 23, 2012 7:46 AM, "Jaime Kopchinski" wrote: > > > > > The problem is that if the rebuild was done with inferior parts, it > > likely > > > needs to be done again. It would be interesting to know what was done, > > > where the parts came from, and what brand they were. Or, the cost of > the > > > parts may be a good indicator. > > > > > > In my experience with many W123s, you can tighten up the front end > quite > > > nicely by replacing the upper control ams (pretty easy) and any > steering > > > linkage that has play (usually idler arm bushing). Higher milage cars > > > (150k+), or those from extreme environments usually need more. > > > > > > Shot upper control arms will look something like this: > > > http://images.jaimekop.com/2009_09_01_Front_End_Rebuild/large-2.html > > > > > > Note the gaps between the bushings and the arms, as well as the > distorted > > > appearance of the left bushing. If you post some pictures of various > > > parts, it might give us an idea of whats going on. > > > > > > A complete rebuild is always the best way to go, but doing it with the > > > parts that will last as long as the originals will cost you big. If > > you're > > > going to use cheap parts, don't bother. The car in those photos was > > done > > > 3 years ago and still drives perfect. > > > > > > Jaime > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Mountain Man > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Max wrote: > > > > > I think complete suspension rebuild, then alignment. > > > > > > > > I think that was done before we bought the car. I will ask. > > > > mao > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Jaime Kopchinski > > > http://www.jaimekop.com/ > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > Jaime Kopchinski > http://www.jaimekop.com/ > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 alignment
Very often the difference in cost between cheap parts and good ones is less than a tank of fuel. For most parts, it just doesn't make sense to cheap out. Doing the job again in a year doesn't save you much money in the end. Especially if you're paying someone to do the work. Unless your car has one foot in the grave and you don't expect it to last another year... then put all the garbage you want on it! Jaime On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Michael Canfield wrote: > Using cheap parts is sometimes the only way to get by. I agree, don't > rebuild the whole front end if all you can afford is cheap, just replace > what you need to get by. > > Make sure the bolts in the swaybar aren't rusted so badly that they are > going to snap off if you try to replace the upper control arms on a salt > belt car. > > Mike > On Nov 23, 2012 7:46 AM, "Jaime Kopchinski" wrote: > > > The problem is that if the rebuild was done with inferior parts, it > likely > > needs to be done again. It would be interesting to know what was done, > > where the parts came from, and what brand they were. Or, the cost of the > > parts may be a good indicator. > > > > In my experience with many W123s, you can tighten up the front end quite > > nicely by replacing the upper control ams (pretty easy) and any steering > > linkage that has play (usually idler arm bushing). Higher milage cars > > (150k+), or those from extreme environments usually need more. > > > > Shot upper control arms will look something like this: > > http://images.jaimekop.com/2009_09_01_Front_End_Rebuild/large-2.html > > > > Note the gaps between the bushings and the arms, as well as the distorted > > appearance of the left bushing. If you post some pictures of various > > parts, it might give us an idea of whats going on. > > > > A complete rebuild is always the best way to go, but doing it with the > > parts that will last as long as the originals will cost you big. If > you're > > going to use cheap parts, don't bother. The car in those photos was > done > > 3 years ago and still drives perfect. > > > > Jaime > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Mountain Man > > wrote: > > > > > Max wrote: > > > > I think complete suspension rebuild, then alignment. > > > > > > I think that was done before we bought the car. I will ask. > > > mao > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Jaime Kopchinski > > http://www.jaimekop.com/ > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Road kill
Hell, what's new about that? Been huntin deer with a 12ga Ford for years here in rural NY. Mike On Nov 22, 2012 6:15 PM, "Tim C" wrote: > FYI: > > http://cap-news.com/story.php?id=200601017 > > Best, > Tim > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 alignment
Using cheap parts is sometimes the only way to get by. I agree, don't rebuild the whole front end if all you can afford is cheap, just replace what you need to get by. Make sure the bolts in the swaybar aren't rusted so badly that they are going to snap off if you try to replace the upper control arms on a salt belt car. Mike On Nov 23, 2012 7:46 AM, "Jaime Kopchinski" wrote: > The problem is that if the rebuild was done with inferior parts, it likely > needs to be done again. It would be interesting to know what was done, > where the parts came from, and what brand they were. Or, the cost of the > parts may be a good indicator. > > In my experience with many W123s, you can tighten up the front end quite > nicely by replacing the upper control ams (pretty easy) and any steering > linkage that has play (usually idler arm bushing). Higher milage cars > (150k+), or those from extreme environments usually need more. > > Shot upper control arms will look something like this: > http://images.jaimekop.com/2009_09_01_Front_End_Rebuild/large-2.html > > Note the gaps between the bushings and the arms, as well as the distorted > appearance of the left bushing. If you post some pictures of various > parts, it might give us an idea of whats going on. > > A complete rebuild is always the best way to go, but doing it with the > parts that will last as long as the originals will cost you big. If you're > going to use cheap parts, don't bother. The car in those photos was done > 3 years ago and still drives perfect. > > Jaime > > > > On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Mountain Man > wrote: > > > Max wrote: > > > I think complete suspension rebuild, then alignment. > > > > I think that was done before we bought the car. I will ask. > > mao > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > Jaime Kopchinski > http://www.jaimekop.com/ > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Busy eating Turkey???
Sault Ste. Marie, MI/ON. The Soo. Wilton - Original Message - From: "andrew strasfogel" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Busy eating Turkey??? Where? On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: I was there from 1990 to 1993, doing a post-doc at Forestry Canada. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
MLS = ? Multi-layer steel? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Rolf wrote: >The 606 HG is MLS instead of composite. Before anyone else jump on the >bandwagon, maybe we see how it pans out for me. You do have to drill ~7 > >holes or so in the 606 hg. > >-Rolf > >On 11/22/2012 7:23 PM, Dieselhead wrote: >>> I used the copper spray on stuff based on the recommendations of our > >>> Finnish friends. >>> >>> Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE >> >> Rolf, >> >> What is the theory of using a 606 head gasket instead of a 603 >> headgasket on a 603? >> >> A head gasket for a NA 606 set would explain why there was no gasket >> for the turbo. By definition, no turbo on a NA 606. >> >> I have never used anything except a light coating of oil on head >gaskets. >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
How does it run? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Rolf wrote: >Just the permatex stuff. Again, lets let me be the guinea pig, I've >barely had the car running. > >On 11/23/2012 7:02 AM, Max Dillon wrote: >> Where does one get the copper spray-on stuff? Brand name? > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
The 606 HG is MLS instead of composite. Before anyone else jump on the bandwagon, maybe we see how it pans out for me. You do have to drill ~7 holes or so in the 606 hg. -Rolf On 11/22/2012 7:23 PM, Dieselhead wrote: I used the copper spray on stuff based on the recommendations of our Finnish friends. Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE Rolf, What is the theory of using a 606 head gasket instead of a 603 headgasket on a 603? A head gasket for a NA 606 set would explain why there was no gasket for the turbo. By definition, no turbo on a NA 606. I have never used anything except a light coating of oil on head gaskets. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
https://picasaweb.google.com/110184791268815842578/OffWithHerHead?authuser=0&feat=directlink Better? On 11/22/2012 4:30 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: Cannot see photos. It wants me to "sign in". Randy On 22/11/2012 2:31 PM, Rolf wrote: In the process myself. I turned engine over this afternoon finally. Some pics (seemed like I took way more). http://picasaweb.google.com/m/viewer#album/110184791268815842578/5813450881345490977 Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE Max Dillon wrote: Gasket for turbo to exhaust manifold. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Max Dillon wrote: New copper nuts for the exhaust manifold. Injector return line. Gallon of fresh coolant if it's time. New fuel filter. Think about changing the oil immediately after you've run the new head a bit. .001 dial gauge to check valve guide play. Valve spring compressor and magnet to get the keepers out. I rigged up something using the OM606 injector tool, which has a nice hole in the side. Will send picture off list. Forceps was nice for putting the keepers back. I'll probably think of something else tomorrow. Head gasket kit from Rusty had new injector seals, new o-ring for turbo drain. Supply line for turbo needs no gasket. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: Special message to Max and anyone else who has recently BTDT: Looks like I get to change my first OM 603 head gasket. SDL has oil smoke, and oil running out the exhaust. Turbo compressed air outlet to the crossover pipe is clean as a whistle, so no turbo failure. So, I need the obvious: head gasket kit head bolts (or carefully measure stretch) valve seals turbo seal kit if not included in the head set (orings for drain, gasket for supply) Injector nozzle heat shields (if not in head kit) Hose and a plastic bag to seal up nozzle holders and DV unions in lieu of a dozen capplugs of the right size. Things that I probably don't need as they are recent: valve cover gasket injector line clips Timing chain and guides Things I may need: 17 head or 22 head (have one in Boston. Just need to get it west) Anything I am missing on these three lists? Any special tools needed aside from the special socket for the head bolts? I may be taking the head off Fri or Sat. I won't get it back on until Christmas time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 alignment
The problem is that if the rebuild was done with inferior parts, it likely needs to be done again. It would be interesting to know what was done, where the parts came from, and what brand they were. Or, the cost of the parts may be a good indicator. In my experience with many W123s, you can tighten up the front end quite nicely by replacing the upper control ams (pretty easy) and any steering linkage that has play (usually idler arm bushing). Higher milage cars (150k+), or those from extreme environments usually need more. Shot upper control arms will look something like this: http://images.jaimekop.com/2009_09_01_Front_End_Rebuild/large-2.html Note the gaps between the bushings and the arms, as well as the distorted appearance of the left bushing. If you post some pictures of various parts, it might give us an idea of whats going on. A complete rebuild is always the best way to go, but doing it with the parts that will last as long as the originals will cost you big. If you're going to use cheap parts, don't bother. The car in those photos was done 3 years ago and still drives perfect. Jaime On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Mountain Man wrote: > Max wrote: > > I think complete suspension rebuild, then alignment. > > I think that was done before we bought the car. I will ask. > mao > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Just the permatex stuff. Again, lets let me be the guinea pig, I've barely had the car running. On 11/23/2012 7:02 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Where does one get the copper spray-on stuff? Brand name? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Busy eating Turkey???
Where? On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: > I was there from 1990 to 1993, doing a post-doc at Forestry Canada. > > Peter > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chuffed!
Don't get me wrong, I love the show and find it educational as well as slightly entertaining. On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:59 PM, OK Don wrote: > The TV show is the point, not the profit from selling a car -- > > On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 7:56 PM, wrote: > >> Yeah they make a thousand or so profit for a week of work. Not worth it. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Nov 22, 2012, at 8:46 PM, andrew strasfogel >> wrote: >> >> > Problem is that the math never adds up because they value their time >> > and labor at ZERO. >> > >> > On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote: >> >> That tall fella who does all the work is pretty handy. I just watched >> the >> >> episode where the did a 914. The bloke the yappy guy bought it from >> ended >> >> up buying it back. Made me kinda want a 914. >> >> >> >> Bob R >> >> On Nov 22, 2012 4:21 AM, "Mitch Haley" wrote: >> >> >> >>> clay monroe wrote: >> >>> >> getting caught up on the british discovery channel "wheeler dealers" >> >> They have done a couple US cars. Their take on new world electronics >> is >> the same as ours for Lucas. Just bad mouthing quality left and right >> as >> they tackle issues. Corvette seems to be the worst of the US cars >> they >> have done yet. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> The digital dash on the 1984 Corvette was said to be unreliable in >> 1990, I >> >>> can imagine what another 20 years would do for it. >> >>> >> >>> Mitch. >> >>> >> >>> __**_ >> >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/< >> http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> >> >>> >> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com< >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com> >> >> ___ >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > > -- > OK Don > 2001 ML320 > 2012 Passat TDI DSG > 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager > 1957 C182A > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Where does one get the copper spray-on stuff? Brand name? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Rolf wrote: >I used the copper spray on stuff based on the recommendations of our >Finnish friends. > >Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE > >dave walton wrote: > >>Yes. Weak point in front of #1 cylinder leaks oil into cylinder when >it >>blows. If you don't catch it soon enough it will bend the #1 >connecting >>rod. Can use dial gauge to measure distance pistons protrude from head >at >>top of stroke. You have to pull engine and transmission together, then >>remove transmission to get to the bottom end. >> >>Specifications during reassembly say to torque head bolts wet as I >recall. >> >>Dr. Booth was proponent of using Hylomar on the head gasket. >> >>-Dave Walton >> >>On Thursday, November 22, 2012, Rick Knoble wrote: >> >>> A bad head gasket makes oil smoke? Oil from the oil passages gets >into the >>> combustion chambers? >>> >>> Rick >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Nov 21, 2012, at 9:52 PM, "Dieselhead" ><126die...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Not doing rings for a head gasket. >>> > >>> >> On Nov 21, 2012, at 4:41 PM, "Dieselhead" ><126die...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Looks like I get to change my first OM 603 head gasket. SDL has >oil >>> smoke, and oil running out the exhaust. >>> >> >>> >>> Anything I am missing on these three lists? >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Piston rings? >>> >> >>> >> Rick >>> >> Sent from my iPhone >>> > >>> > ___ >>> > http://www.okiebenz.com >>> > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> > >>> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>___ >>http://www.okiebenz.com >>For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM 603 head gasket
Looks like you removed the exhaust manifold before pulling the head? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Rolf wrote: >In the process myself. I turned engine over this afternoon finally. >Some pics (seemed like I took way more). >http://picasaweb.google.com/m/viewer#album/110184791268815842578/5813450881345490977 > > >Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE > >Max Dillon wrote: > >>Gasket for turbo to exhaust manifold. >>-- >>Max Dillon >>Charleston SC >>'95 E300 >>'87 300TD >> >>Max Dillon wrote: >> >>>New copper nuts for the exhaust manifold. >>>Injector return line. >>>Gallon of fresh coolant if it's time. >>>New fuel filter. >>>Think about changing the oil immediately after you've run the new >head >>>a bit. >>>.001 dial gauge to check valve guide play. >>>Valve spring compressor and magnet to get the keepers out. I rigged >up >>>something using the OM606 injector tool, which has a nice hole in the >>>side. Will send picture off list. Forceps was nice for putting the >>>keepers back. >>> >>>I'll probably think of something else tomorrow. >>> >>>Head gasket kit from Rusty had new injector seals, new o-ring for >turbo >>>drain. Supply line for turbo needs no gasket. >>>-- >>>Max Dillon >>>Charleston SC >>>'95 E300 >>>'87 300TD >>> >>>Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Special message to Max and anyone else who has recently BTDT: Looks like I get to change my first OM 603 head gasket. SDL has oil > smoke, and oil running out the exhaust. Turbo compressed air outlet > to the crossover pipe is clean as a whistle, so no turbo failure. So, I need the obvious: head gasket kit head bolts (or carefully measure stretch) valve seals turbo seal kit if not included in the head set (orings for drain, gasket for supply) Injector nozzle heat shields (if not in head kit) Hose and a plastic bag to seal up nozzle holders and DV unions in lieu of a dozen capplugs of the right size. Things that I probably don't need as they are recent: valve cover gasket injector line clips Timing chain and guides Things I may need: 17 head or 22 head (have one in Boston. Just need to get it west) Anything I am missing on these three lists? Any special tools needed aside from the special socket for the head bolts? I may be taking the head off Fri or Sat. I won't get it back on until Christmas time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>___ >>>http://www.okiebenz.com >>>For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>>To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>___ >>http://www.okiebenz.com >>For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
