[MBZ] Greetings

2013-12-31 Thread Dieselhead

Best wishes to all for a Happy New Year.

Ok, it is late for HeniFay

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Re: [MBZ] Bentley Engine

2013-12-31 Thread Scott Ritchey

That motor is an awesome beast.  But the thought of having to make repairs
after installation is depressing.

Scott

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> Here's a video of the assembly of the Bentley engine:
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Re: [MBZ] Seat Belt Mechanism W124 '91 300D 2.5Tynutyqu5

2013-12-31 Thread Mitch Haley

My first car was a 1975 Civic with gummy belt retractors and nonfunctional
inertial locks. I took them apart, don't remember what I cleaned all the crap
out of them with, but when I was done the drums and ratchets were clean and the
inertial weights swung freely. Belts worked like new after that.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Seat Belt Mechanism W124 '91 300D 2.5T

2013-12-31 Thread WILTON

Maybe it'll keep water out of 'em, anyway.  ;<)

Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Larry T" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Seat Belt Mechanism W124 '91 300D 2.5T



Thanks Dan --
Any idea what they were trying to accomplish with the WD40? Surely not 
Lubrication?  There are so many better products. Not trying to criticize 
the suggestions made - just wish to understand


And thanks for the great details on gaining access to the Retractor!

Sincerely,
Larry
'91 300D

On 12/30/2013 8:45 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
On the W124 I would remove the B pillar covering which would give you 
immediate access to the retractor.  You do that by pulling up the 
threshold panels in both door openings, pulling the door opening welting 
(that fuzzy strip that surrounds the door opening) off, taking the two 
screws out of the trim piece at the bottom and pulling it down to 
disengage it from the panel, and lifting up on the panel.  It has a hook 
at the top that anchors the top of it to the B pillar.


No need to remove the belt, just lay the panel out of the way and you'll 
see the belt retractor underneath.


>From what I have read regarding the W140 models (and I'm sure the 
>retractors are pretty much the same across the board) people are 
>spraying WD40 into the sides of the mechanisms where the springs are 
>mounted.  This avoids getting any on the belt and targets the springs 
>and the shaft which I presume the retractor rotates on.


It's not a 100% fix from what I'm hearing, but there are a number of 
people who have reported that it did make a difference.  Based on where 
these are located, I imagine they can accumulate a fair amount of cruft 
in them over the years


Dan

  On Dec 30, 2013, at 8:33 AM, Larry T wrote:

How would I access the retractor on a 4 dr W124, fully extend the belt 
and spray into the opening?No need to write at length - I'm sure I 
can figure it out -


Thx for the comments !

Sincerely,
Larry



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Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness

2013-12-31 Thread Dieselhead
have you tried flushing the CPS with water - if you can get to it 
with a hose stream?  may it has some dirt or trash on it?


Sincerely,
Larry
91 300D


No, I have not crawled under the car to find it.  Thanks for the 
idea.   Won't happen this trip.  Gotta leave tomorrow.   Brakes on 
the 107 are better, but the idle weirdness on the OM603 is no better. 
I have pretty much eliminated the easy things.


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Re: [MBZ] Seat Belt Mechanism W124 '91 300D 2.5T

2013-12-31 Thread Dan Penoff
Dunno.  I seem to recall that's what someone used.  Certainly not an 
endorsement on my part.  I try to avoid the stuff at all costs.  There are so 
many better products out there that are purpose made.

Glad it worked out for you.  I knew about this because both my W140 and the 
R129 need itI just need to move it up higher on my list.

Dan


On Dec 31, 2013, at 4:52 PM, Larry T wrote:

> Thanks Dan --
> Any idea what they were trying to accomplish with the WD40? Surely not 
> Lubrication?  There are so many better products. Not trying to criticize the 
> suggestions made - just wish to understand
> 
> And thanks for the great details on gaining access to the Retractor!
> 
> Sincerely,
> Larry
> '91 300D
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Seat Belt Mechanism W124 '91 300D 2.5T

2013-12-31 Thread Larry T

Sounds good - Thanks Don!

Sincerely,
Larry

On 12/30/2013 6:13 PM, OK Don wrote:

I did what Dan suggested on my 124's, 123, 201 -- remove the B pillor
cover, spray with brake cleaner to clean, followed by a good spray lube.
That fixed every one of them.


On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:


On the W124 I would remove the B pillar covering which would give you
immediate access to the retractor.  You do that by pulling up the threshold
panels in both door openings, pulling the door opening welting (that fuzzy
strip that surrounds the door opening) off, taking the two screws out of
the trim piece at the bottom and pulling it down to disengage it from the
panel, and lifting up on the panel.  It has a hook at the top that anchors
the top of it to the B pillar.

No need to remove the belt, just lay the panel out of the way and you'll
see the belt retractor underneath.





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Re: [MBZ] Prince of darkness

2013-12-31 Thread Larry T
have you tried flushing the CPS with water - if you can get to it with a 
hose stream?  may it has some dirt or trash on it?


Sincerely,
Larry
91 300D

On 12/30/2013 3:18 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

I can't see any way of getting to the crank position sensor from above.

Kaleb, when you pulled 124 300D engines, do you remember seeing a 
sensor on top of the bell housing?


There is no space at all behind the engine in a 124, and the hmp is 
within and inch of the transmission pretty much all around.  I tried 
pulling fuses while it was racing.  no fuse seemed to matter.



PRIOR POST:

When the car settles down, it idles around 600 -650 RPM.   When it is 
flakey it goes from maybe 400 rpm, just barely running, to 1000 or 
1200 rpm with some instances of 600.  THe electrics seem to settle 
down when the engine warms up.  THis is a rust free southern car too. 
124 300D  OM603



Thanks!

I pulled the OVP relay from the SDL, popped out the 124 OVP and put in 
the SDL OVP.  Started up the 300D, no joy!  Rats!  I was hoping that 
might be a simple fix, if not cheap.


Battery terminals are snug.  I did not take them off, clean and 
replace.  Working on the 107 brakes first.


Is this Crank position sensor on the trans accessible on a 124/OM603 
without taking out the trans?  I don't remember ever seeing anything 
like that on a diesel.  Why would that cause the lights inside the car 
to flash off and on?  I could see idle speed and tach funkiness being 
caused there.


Working on it.  The idle control system has failed, and there are 
several causes.


OVP

crank position sensor (obviously, if it's bad or has intermittent 
connection, no tach, no idle speed control).  Usual cause is a 
corroded connector behind the engine, as the sensor is on the 
transmission housing.  The sensor at the front is only for setting 
injection timing.


Failed rack actuator (won't cause no tach)

Bad wiring

Bad idle speed computor

Cracked solder at the rack actuator

Bad rack position sensor

The FSM as a twenty page diagnostics procedure I've not started yet 
due to the crappy weather.


Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Seat Belt Mechanism W124 '91 300D 2.5T

2013-12-31 Thread Larry T

Thanks Dan --
Any idea what they were trying to accomplish with the WD40? Surely not 
Lubrication?  There are so many better products. Not trying to criticize 
the suggestions made - just wish to understand


And thanks for the great details on gaining access to the Retractor!

Sincerely,
Larry
'91 300D

On 12/30/2013 8:45 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:

On the W124 I would remove the B pillar covering which would give you 
immediate access to the retractor.  You do that by pulling up the threshold 
panels in both door openings, pulling the door opening welting (that fuzzy 
strip that surrounds the door opening) off, taking the two screws out of the 
trim piece at the bottom and pulling it down to disengage it from the panel, 
and lifting up on the panel.  It has a hook at the top that anchors the top of 
it to the B pillar.

No need to remove the belt, just lay the panel out of the way and you'll see 
the belt retractor underneath.

>From what I have read regarding the W140 models (and I'm sure the retractors 
are pretty much the same across the board) people are spraying WD40 into the sides 
of the mechanisms where the springs are mounted.  This avoids getting any on the 
belt and targets the springs and the shaft which I presume the retractor rotates 
on.

It's not a 100% fix from what I'm hearing, but there are a number of people who 
have reported that it did make a difference.  Based on where these are located, 
I imagine they can accumulate a fair amount of cruft in them over the years

Dan

  
On Dec 30, 2013, at 8:33 AM, Larry T wrote:



How would I access the retractor on a 4 dr W124, fully extend the belt and 
spray into the opening?No need to write at length - I'm sure I can figure 
it out -

Thx for the comments !

Sincerely,
Larry



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Re: [MBZ] MB vs. BMW

2013-12-31 Thread Tim Crone
On Dec 29, 2013 11:43 PM, "Craig"  wrote:
>
> On Sun, 29 Dec 2013 23:03:12 -0500

> Other than its vulnerabilities, nothing, I suppose.

IE10 was a vast improvement in that department, from what I've read.  Given
my recent compatibility experiences with Firefox I made IE the #2 browser
on the kids' computer, and Firefox is now #3.

Best,
Tim
Not the banned kind of #2 browser
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Battery reportynutyqu5

2013-12-31 Thread Mitch Haley

Mitch Haley wrote:

Most of the 49s I see lately are $140-150. Not buying that unless I've 
got a $50

coupon from Advance Auto parts to turn $144 for their Gold model into $94.

The 93s are often much cheaper, and I have no idea why, unless the 49s are
turning into a specialty battery for rare antique mbz.


A little browsing at Autozone shows that most of their batteries are now "H8", 
which has 3/8" less length and 1/16" more width than a Group 49/93.
That 1/16" might be a problem in some cars, like W201. It's a wrestling match 
for me to get a Group 49 Interstate Megatron in or out of a 190D.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Battery reportynutyqu5

2013-12-31 Thread Mitch Haley

John Ingram wrote:

Hello Everyone.

A while ago I put a note on the list about finding a battery for my 
240D.  I got a lot of good advice as always from the list (Thank you).  
My problem was that some of the batteries had lower CCA than I wanted.  
Also, the big parts stores say "yes, we have it" but they don't HAVE 
it.  I need to travel to the far away store that does have it.  The 
Sears website does not work on my computer etc.  I called the old 
run-down service center and parts store Pep Boys and they had a Bosch 
Premium battery in the store.  1000CA at 32 degrees and 850 CCA and a 
good warranty.  For $113. 


Is that a group 49 or 93?

Most of the 49s I see lately are $140-150. Not buying that unless I've got a $50
coupon from Advance Auto parts to turn $144 for their Gold model into $94.

The 93s are often much cheaper, and I have no idea why, unless the 49s are
turning into a specialty battery for rare antique mbz.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] 240D Battery report

2013-12-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
ATTABOY!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 31, 2013, at 10:49 AM, John Ingram  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone.
> 
> A while ago I put a note on the list about finding a battery for my 240D.  I 
> got a lot of good advice as always from the list (Thank you).  My problem was 
> that some of the batteries had lower CCA than I wanted.  Also, the big parts 
> stores say "yes, we have it" but they don't HAVE it.  I need to travel to the 
> far away store that does have it.  The Sears website does not work on my 
> computer etc.  I called the old run-down service center and parts store Pep 
> Boys and they had a Bosch Premium battery in the store.  1000CA at 32 degrees 
> and 850 CCA and a good warranty.  For $113.  I have a battery that fits 
> perfectly and spins the engine faster than any battery I've ever had in the 
> car.  The old diesel springs to life in mid 20s temps.  It all worked out 
> well.  They would have put it in for me but of course, the car wouldn't run.
> 
> A very Happy New Year to all!
> 
> John Ingram
> 83  240D  309K
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Battery report

2013-12-31 Thread Dan Penoff
I had one of the Bosch batteries you describe in my 82 300SD.  Worked great, 
fit perfectly, and lasted a long time.

Still probably made in Milwaukee by Johnson Controls like darned near every 
other battery is, but it did the job.

Glad it worked out for you!

Dan

On Dec 31, 2013, at 11:49 AM, John Ingram wrote:

> Hello Everyone.
> 
> A while ago I put a note on the list about finding a battery for my 240D.  I 
> got a lot of good advice as always from the list (Thank you).  My problem was 
> that some of the batteries had lower CCA than I wanted.  Also, the big parts 
> stores say "yes, we have it" but they don't HAVE it.  I need to travel to the 
> far away store that does have it.  The Sears website does not work on my 
> computer etc.  I called the old run-down service center and parts store Pep 
> Boys and they had a Bosch Premium battery in the store.  1000CA at 32 degrees 
> and 850 CCA and a good warranty.  For $113.  I have a battery that fits 
> perfectly and spins the engine faster than any battery I've ever had in the 
> car.  The old diesel springs to life in mid 20s temps.  It all worked out 
> well.  They would have put it in for me but of course, the car wouldn't run.
> 
> A very Happy New Year to all!
> 
> John Ingram
> 83  240D  309K
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[MBZ] 240D Battery report

2013-12-31 Thread John Ingram

Hello Everyone.

A while ago I put a note on the list about finding a battery for my  
240D.  I got a lot of good advice as always from the list (Thank  
you).  My problem was that some of the batteries had lower CCA than I  
wanted.  Also, the big parts stores say "yes, we have it" but they  
don't HAVE it.  I need to travel to the far away store that does have  
it.  The Sears website does not work on my computer etc.  I called  
the old run-down service center and parts store Pep Boys and they had  
a Bosch Premium battery in the store.  1000CA at 32 degrees and 850  
CCA and a good warranty.  For $113.  I have a battery that fits  
perfectly and spins the engine faster than any battery I've ever had  
in the car.  The old diesel springs to life in mid 20s temps.  It all  
worked out well.  They would have put it in for me but of course, the  
car wouldn't run.


A very Happy New Year to all!

John Ingram
83  240D  309K

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Re: [MBZ] S600 eBay Deal upe1ujyz

2013-12-31 Thread Hendrik and Fay

Ahh you be wanting the V10 for extra giddy up and go.

Hendrik
who does not own a V10

On 31/12/13 15:00, Mitch Haley wrote:

Dan Penoff wrote:
I remember when they came out, but I have no interest in them so I 
never paid any attention.


Well, maybe if they had a TDI version in this country, or if somebody 
wanted to give me a Phaeton with an unhappy engine and a Toerag TDI 
that some fool rolled at freeway speeds in the snow...


Mitch




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Re: [MBZ] S600 eBay Deal VW phathetic

2013-12-31 Thread Hendrik and Fay

Yeah one of those, why bother type things.
Far as I (well wikipedia) knows, VW already had vehicles in the luxury 
bracket, such as the Audi A8 and Bentley. I think the would have been 
better off to put money into the Bentley brand to build it up to be a 
competitor to BMW and MB. Or build Audi into a more fancy brand, trying 
to get a third horse in the race is a waste of resources.
You're quite right that VW is seen as a value for money brand and trying 
to be everything for everybody can soon leave you as being nothing to 
nobody.


Hendrik
who has never owned a VW

On 31/12/13 14:06, Dieselhead wrote:
 What the? is VW thinking, trying to make a fattylac? GM screwed them 
up plenty already.  No wonder Vdubs are a POS anymore.   They are 
supposed to be simple, folks cars, easy to work on, cheap to buy, 
cheap to own, cheap to operate, cheap to fix.   That is part of why 
bugs were so popular.


The other part was because they dared to be different, had great 
advertising by DDB, emphasizing the differences, and they were so 
homely they were cute.   "It was the only thing to do after the mule 
died"  "Think small"  I have a bunch of those ads I saved from my desk 
surroundings in college, along with toaster tank BMW ads and the MB 
108 ad that was also brilliant.  "some people think buying a house is 
the most important investment they will ever make"


A VW fattylac deserves to be a resounding flop.



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