Re: [MBZ] RIP Frankenheap

[arche...@embarqmail.com]

Wow!  Never realized there was that much to a trumpet / cornet. Always 
though it was just 3 or 4 little buttons to make flats and sharps and 
the musician puckered up for the rest.  Good luck on the trunk.

Gerry



On 3/9/2014 10:48 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

So today I sat in as 3rd trumpet on a concert my wife
was playing.  Unpaid, volunteer gig.  I have a tux,
and don't charge, so even though I kinda suck I still
get asked to dance once in awhile...

_Anyway_, there I am, in my tux in the parking lot going to
swap one trumpet for another, as I had to hurry to our concert
band's dress rehearsal immediately after the concert, and
I _need_ the other horn.

Only the heap's trunk won't unlock.  I had been rear-ended in
the snow a month earlier, and while the car was knocked back
together, and the trunk opened and closed just fine, I had
never locked it since the accident.  Well, it _locked_ just
fine, but would not unlock.

So I'm about to be late for the dress rehearsal, and I only
have a C horn.  Mind you, I only _have_ a C horn because
I basically can't transpose.  The conductor of today's
concert was there, and was the musical director of the
school it was held at.  He had a spare Bb cornet in the
band room.   "I don't know when it was last played.
There's no mouthpiece.  But you're welcome to borrow
it."

Well, I figure it's a step up from 'nothing', and just
has to be better than me flailing around on C, so I grab
it and dash off to the next school.  Which I find, only
there are no unlocked doors.  After a trip around the
building, gathering up other lost souls, we eventually
found the one door with a stooge, who had wandered away
for awhile.  In we all go, they're starting to play already.
So much for a little recovery time.

I hold my T mouthpiece into the cornet, a Conn Victor,
and it doesn't blow.  At all.  I look, and find that
the #1 and #2 slides are swapped.  That's not a good
sign, I swap them back.  I then check the valves, and
yes, somebody has swapped #1 & #2.  I put them back.
#2 promptly binds, it's not working right.  And the
horn is still blocked.  I look down the bell, somebody
has thoughtfully rammed a marble down there!  I can't
shake or blow it out, I think this horn is done for
the day!

Fortunately my stand-mate had brought her new old
Conn/Wurlitzer Bb/C cornet along for show and tell.
And a cornet mouthpiece.  We had to find the stooge
again, and go out to the parking lot to get it.  I
played that the rest of the rehearsal, trying to dial
in the (as-yet unknown) tuning, figure out which HP/LP
slides were what was needed, etc.  It was fairly grim,
she was still in the middle of polishing it, and
figuring out how it went together.  I don't think
she had really played it at all yet.  I think I just
played it _way_ more than she had.  Unfamiliar horn,
unfamiliar mouthpiece, didn't even have time to tune
it, except on the fly.  Oh, and my solo's coming up
fast.  Ugh.

Sigh.  And my trumpet is still locked in the trunk.
I have other horns, but I could really use the music
for the concert, and I'm supposed to return it then.
I will drill into it in the morning, I guess.  My
good horn, music, and good leather coat are still
trapped in there.

I think the settlement amount with the Insco just
went up.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Becker Replacement

[LarryT]

I went through our local pick & pull recently and came across a W140 
S320 which had a Becker head unit someone had tried to remove - looked 
like that used a crowbar - it looks like all that kind of stereo 
equipment of any value was destroyed trying to remove it. The trunk 
boxes were equally damaged.   they might be helpful as spare parts...   
  I guess they decided if they couldn't have it no one would...


LarryT

On 3/9/2014 8:53 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

If you're going to go aftermarket, Blaupunkt is definitely the way to go.
  Since the supply of Becker aftermarket has pretty much dried up, there
aren't too many choices left.

Jaime



On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:


I hate aftermarket units in MBs, too, but after having one for a short
time when I got the car I was spoiled with the iPod and phone integration.
  I can deal with the aesthetics, but I wouldn't go with anything that
didn't sound as good or better than the stock Becker.

I had my recently rebuilt Becker in the car with a GROM USB interface for
the iPod, but it just didn't give me the same sort of feature set that the
newer head units had.  When I saw some guys talking about the Blaupunkt
Toronto over at the BW R129 forum and saw how inexpensive they were, I
figured I would try it out and see.

With the ability to use the stock cell phone mic in the car, I was pretty
much set as far as functionality.

As I mentioned previously, if the "knob" illumination was amber it would
be perfect.  Otheriwise, It's so far beyond the stock Becker there is no
comparison.

And no, I'm not mad at Jaime.  For that matter, Becker sells the Toronto
as a stock head unit replacement - for $350.

Ouch.

Dan



On Mar 9, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:


he's pissed off at jaime.  that's why!


On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin 
Why did you replace the factory unit? I hate aftermarket units in a mb

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 9, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

Yes.

Here is a link to the Amazon listing for it:



http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008FYFBVG/ref=oh_details_o00_s01_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Dan



On Mar 9, 2014, at 2:56 PM, Max Dillon wrote:

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Re: [MBZ] RIP Frankenheap

[LarryT]

so, it all went smooth?  _ Sorry about all the rotten things happening 
;-)  That horn with the marble sounds like a lost cause - perhaps it was 
the butt of a few high school jokes?


Better luck during the solo - I played [poorly] a Conn cornet many years 
ago.  I remember the girl in the 1st chair had a chrome Haan Cornet -  
Man! She was really good


LarryT


On 3/9/2014 10:48 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

So today I sat in as 3rd trumpet on a concert my wife
was playing.  Unpaid, volunteer gig.  I have a tux,
and don't charge, so even though I kinda suck I still
get asked to dance once in awhile...

_Anyway_, there I am, in my tux in the parking lot going to
swap one trumpet for another, as I had to hurry to our concert
band's dress rehearsal immediately after the concert, and
I _need_ the other horn.

Only the heap's trunk won't unlock.  I had been rear-ended in
the snow a month earlier, and while the car was knocked back
together, and the trunk opened and closed just fine, I had
never locked it since the accident.  Well, it _locked_ just
fine, but would not unlock.

So I'm about to be late for the dress rehearsal, and I only
have a C horn.  Mind you, I only _have_ a C horn because
I basically can't transpose.  The conductor of today's
concert was there, and was the musical director of the
school it was held at.  He had a spare Bb cornet in the
band room.   "I don't know when it was last played.
There's no mouthpiece.  But you're welcome to borrow
it."

Well, I figure it's a step up from 'nothing', and just
has to be better than me flailing around on C, so I grab
it and dash off to the next school.  Which I find, only
there are no unlocked doors.  After a trip around the
building, gathering up other lost souls, we eventually
found the one door with a stooge, who had wandered away
for awhile.  In we all go, they're starting to play already.
So much for a little recovery time.

I hold my T mouthpiece into the cornet, a Conn Victor,
and it doesn't blow.  At all.  I look, and find that
the #1 and #2 slides are swapped.  That's not a good
sign, I swap them back.  I then check the valves, and
yes, somebody has swapped #1 & #2.  I put them back.
#2 promptly binds, it's not working right.  And the
horn is still blocked.  I look down the bell, somebody
has thoughtfully rammed a marble down there!  I can't
shake or blow it out, I think this horn is done for
the day!

Fortunately my stand-mate had brought her new old
Conn/Wurlitzer Bb/C cornet along for show and tell.
And a cornet mouthpiece.  We had to find the stooge
again, and go out to the parking lot to get it.  I
played that the rest of the rehearsal, trying to dial
in the (as-yet unknown) tuning, figure out which HP/LP
slides were what was needed, etc.  It was fairly grim,
she was still in the middle of polishing it, and
figuring out how it went together.  I don't think
she had really played it at all yet.  I think I just
played it _way_ more than she had.  Unfamiliar horn,
unfamiliar mouthpiece, didn't even have time to tune
it, except on the fly.  Oh, and my solo's coming up
fast.  Ugh.

Sigh.  And my trumpet is still locked in the trunk.
I have other horns, but I could really use the music
for the concert, and I'm supposed to return it then.
I will drill into it in the morning, I guess.  My
good horn, music, and good leather coat are still
trapped in there.

I think the settlement amount with the Insco just
went up.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Becker Replacement

[Craig]

On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 21:55:13 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:

> In both my W140 and R129, it's on the top windshield frame between the
> driver's sunvisor and the rear view mirror.

That's a good place to have it.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 1990 MB 300E - Replaced Fuel Distributor - Running rough...help needed again!

[Hendrik and Fay]

This may help http://www.benzshops.com/search?q=Westchester+County
However the KE-jet system was used in other cars, so a good Bosch 
service centre may be the go.
Overall the system is not that complicated but diagnoses is easier with 
the right tools and knowledge.
There are flow charts out there for the steps needed to diagnose the 
KE-jet but they assume the availability of the correct tools.
By the sounds of it there is something major wrong, even if the system 
goes into fail safe/limp home mode, it should still not bellow out 
smoke, especially white smoke. As the system falls back to K-jet mode 
and will be running a little rich.

White smoke is coolant being burned in the combustion chamber.
http://www.trustmymechanic.com/auto-repair/3662/car-smoking-from-exhaust-pipe/
A head gasket R&R on a M103 is not difficult and should not be that 
expensive.
The special tool required is a 12 point hex socket, which is not 
expensive and you'll need a head gasket kit, which is also not expensive.
I oil has not got into the coolant, you won't need to flush the system 
but grain the oil and remove the filter before doing the gasket, as the 
filter gets in the way.
I prefer to drop off the manifolds from the head, as that makes pulling 
the head off easier, some prefer to leave the manifolds on, works either 
way.


Hendrik
who had oil in the coolant

On 10/03/14 07:45, Robert Koziak wrote:

I parked the car away in the garage for the winter since putting back the old 
fuel distributor in January.  Weather is nice in the northeast so I decided to 
take the car out and give it another try.  The car runs rough and there is 
still excessive while smoke.  I rtealize the issue is beyond my capabilities 
and I need to find a good mechanic.


Anyone know a good mechanic who works on older Mercedes with Bosch mechanical 
fuel injections?  I live in Westchester County (Hawthorne New York 10532) just 
outside of New York City.


Second questiondo you think it's safe to drive the car to a mechanic 
considering the smoke issue?  There is a liquid soming out of the exhaust too 
which appears to be a combination of water and fuel.


Thanks,


Bob


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Re: [MBZ] Becker Replacement

[Jim Cathey]

Many of these aftermarket units have adjustable
front-panel color schemes.  Or is blue now just 'too
cool' to avoid?  I hate blue lights.  Anywhere.
It's the antithesis of night-vision-friendly, and
is impossible to focus on.

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Re: [MBZ] RIP Frankenheap

[Jim Cathey]

So today I sat in as 3rd trumpet on a concert my wife
was playing.  Unpaid, volunteer gig.  I have a tux,
and don't charge, so even though I kinda suck I still
get asked to dance once in awhile...

_Anyway_, there I am, in my tux in the parking lot going to
swap one trumpet for another, as I had to hurry to our concert
band's dress rehearsal immediately after the concert, and
I _need_ the other horn.

Only the heap's trunk won't unlock.  I had been rear-ended in
the snow a month earlier, and while the car was knocked back
together, and the trunk opened and closed just fine, I had
never locked it since the accident.  Well, it _locked_ just
fine, but would not unlock.

So I'm about to be late for the dress rehearsal, and I only
have a C horn.  Mind you, I only _have_ a C horn because
I basically can't transpose.  The conductor of today's
concert was there, and was the musical director of the
school it was held at.  He had a spare Bb cornet in the
band room.   "I don't know when it was last played.
There's no mouthpiece.  But you're welcome to borrow
it."

Well, I figure it's a step up from 'nothing', and just
has to be better than me flailing around on C, so I grab
it and dash off to the next school.  Which I find, only
there are no unlocked doors.  After a trip around the
building, gathering up other lost souls, we eventually
found the one door with a stooge, who had wandered away
for awhile.  In we all go, they're starting to play already.
So much for a little recovery time.

I hold my T mouthpiece into the cornet, a Conn Victor,
and it doesn't blow.  At all.  I look, and find that
the #1 and #2 slides are swapped.  That's not a good
sign, I swap them back.  I then check the valves, and
yes, somebody has swapped #1 & #2.  I put them back.
#2 promptly binds, it's not working right.  And the
horn is still blocked.  I look down the bell, somebody
has thoughtfully rammed a marble down there!  I can't
shake or blow it out, I think this horn is done for
the day!

Fortunately my stand-mate had brought her new old
Conn/Wurlitzer Bb/C cornet along for show and tell.
And a cornet mouthpiece.  We had to find the stooge
again, and go out to the parking lot to get it.  I
played that the rest of the rehearsal, trying to dial
in the (as-yet unknown) tuning, figure out which HP/LP
slides were what was needed, etc.  It was fairly grim,
she was still in the middle of polishing it, and
figuring out how it went together.  I don't think
she had really played it at all yet.  I think I just
played it _way_ more than she had.  Unfamiliar horn,
unfamiliar mouthpiece, didn't even have time to tune
it, except on the fly.  Oh, and my solo's coming up
fast.  Ugh.

Sigh.  And my trumpet is still locked in the trunk.
I have other horns, but I could really use the music
for the concert, and I'm supposed to return it then.
I will drill into it in the morning, I guess.  My
good horn, music, and good leather coat are still
trapped in there.

I think the settlement amount with the Insco just
went up.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Becker Replacement

[Dan Penoff]

I can assure you I'll never be happy with the aesthetics of this radio, 
however, life is full of compromises, and this is one I'm willing to make to 
gain the more modern features.

I'm not getting rid of the Becker, I can tell you that

Dan

On Mar 9, 2014, at 10:38 PM, Tim Crone wrote:

> On Mar 9, 2014 4:00 PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:
>> 
>> I can deal with the aesthetics,
> 
> Wow.  I never saw -that- coming.
> 
> Best,
> Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Becker Replacement

[Tim Crone]

On Mar 9, 2014 4:00 PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:
>
> I can deal with the aesthetics,

Wow.  I never saw -that- coming.

Best,
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Re: [MBZ] Becker Replacement

[Dan Penoff]

In both my W140 and R129, it's on the top windshield frame between the driver's 
sunvisor and the rear view mirror.

Dan


On Mar 9, 2014, at 9:40 PM, Craig wrote:

> On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 21:20:35 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:
> 
>> For what little time I've used it so far, I'm very pleased, especially
>> with being able to use the stock cell phone microphone.
> 
> Where is the stock cell phone microphone located?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Becker Replacement

[Craig]

On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 21:20:35 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:

> For what little time I've used it so far, I'm very pleased, especially
> with being able to use the stock cell phone microphone.

Where is the stock cell phone microphone located?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OM603 head immersion test

[OK Don]

I bought one of those when I had to replace a muffler under a '92 300E. I
worked great, and continues to do so years later. It's well worth the $20.


On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

>
> On sale for $20:
>
> http://www.harborfreight.com/6-amp-reciprocating-saw-with-
> rotating-handle-65570.html
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] Becker Replacement

[Dan Penoff]

For what little time I've used it so far, I'm very pleased, especially with 
being able to use the stock cell phone microphone.

Dan

On Mar 9, 2014, at 8:53 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

> If you're going to go aftermarket, Blaupunkt is definitely the way to go.
> Since the supply of Becker aftermarket has pretty much dried up, there
> aren't too many choices left.
> 
> Jaime


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Re: [MBZ] Water Pump R&R 602-962 engine

[OK Don]

I always use a sealant on old engines, figuring that there's a chance that
the front case is warped a bit. It only hurts when you go to replace the
pump again - hopefully that will be someone else's problem by then . . .


On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Max Dillon wrote:

> Regarding the gasket, follow the factory service manual.  Usually they
> don't require sealant.
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] Becker Replacement

[Jon Agne]

Jaime,

What about the Nakamichi’s?


On Mar 9, 2014, at 8:53 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:

> If you're going to go aftermarket, Blaupunkt is definitely the way to go.
> Since the supply of Becker aftermarket has pretty much dried up, there
> aren't too many choices left.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> 
>> I hate aftermarket units in MBs, too, but after having one for a short
>> time when I got the car I was spoiled with the iPod and phone integration.
>> I can deal with the aesthetics, but I wouldn't go with anything that
>> didn't sound as good or better than the stock Becker.
>> 
>> I had my recently rebuilt Becker in the car with a GROM USB interface for
>> the iPod, but it just didn't give me the same sort of feature set that the
>> newer head units had.  When I saw some guys talking about the Blaupunkt
>> Toronto over at the BW R129 forum and saw how inexpensive they were, I
>> figured I would try it out and see.
>> 
>> With the ability to use the stock cell phone mic in the car, I was pretty
>> much set as far as functionality.
>> 
>> As I mentioned previously, if the "knob" illumination was amber it would
>> be perfect.  Otheriwise, It's so far beyond the stock Becker there is no
>> comparison.
>> 
>> And no, I'm not mad at Jaime.  For that matter, Becker sells the Toronto
>> as a stock head unit replacement - for $350.
>> 
>> Ouch.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 9, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>> 
>>> he's pissed off at jaime.  that's why!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin >> wrote:
>>> 
 Why did you replace the factory unit? I hate aftermarket units in a mb
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 9, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> 
> Yes.
> 
> Here is a link to the Amazon listing for it:
> 
> 
 
>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008FYFBVG/ref=oh_details_o00_s01_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Mar 9, 2014, at 2:56 PM, Max Dillon wrote:
>> 
>> Is volume a dial control?
>> --
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Re: [MBZ] Becker Replacement

[Jaime Kopchinski]

If you're going to go aftermarket, Blaupunkt is definitely the way to go.
 Since the supply of Becker aftermarket has pretty much dried up, there
aren't too many choices left.

Jaime



On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> I hate aftermarket units in MBs, too, but after having one for a short
> time when I got the car I was spoiled with the iPod and phone integration.
>  I can deal with the aesthetics, but I wouldn't go with anything that
> didn't sound as good or better than the stock Becker.
>
> I had my recently rebuilt Becker in the car with a GROM USB interface for
> the iPod, but it just didn't give me the same sort of feature set that the
> newer head units had.  When I saw some guys talking about the Blaupunkt
> Toronto over at the BW R129 forum and saw how inexpensive they were, I
> figured I would try it out and see.
>
> With the ability to use the stock cell phone mic in the car, I was pretty
> much set as far as functionality.
>
> As I mentioned previously, if the "knob" illumination was amber it would
> be perfect.  Otheriwise, It's so far beyond the stock Becker there is no
> comparison.
>
> And no, I'm not mad at Jaime.  For that matter, Becker sells the Toronto
> as a stock head unit replacement - for $350.
>
> Ouch.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
> > he's pissed off at jaime.  that's why!
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  >wrote:
> >
> >> Why did you replace the factory unit? I hate aftermarket units in a mb
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Mar 9, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yes.
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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> >>>
> >>> Dan
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Becker Replacement

[Dan Penoff]

Dunno.  I checked their we site but they list pretty much everything but that 
for the tuner.  I can tell you it's better than the Becker's.

Dan


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> What is the FM sensitivity?  (In dB)
> 
> Crutchfield lists for $149, but out of stock.
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Re: [MBZ] 1990 MB 300E - Replaced Fuel Distributor - Running rough...help needed again!

[Dan Penoff]

Mat is in Maine, I believe.

Dan


On Mar 9, 2014, at 9:36 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

> Star Motors, Binghamton, NYBest  in the state.
> 
> Where is Mathieu Cama?  Isn't he around NY somewhere?  Mathieu would be 
> excellent too.
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Anyone know a good mechanic who works on older Mercedes with Bosch 
>> mechanical fuel injections?  I live in Westchester County (Hawthorne New 
>> York 10532) just outside of New York City.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1990 MB 300E - Replaced Fuel Distributor - Running rough...help needed again!

[Dieselhead]

Star Motors, Binghamton, NYBest  in the state.

Where is Mathieu Cama?  Isn't he around NY somewhere?  Mathieu would 
be excellent too.






Anyone know a good mechanic who works on older Mercedes with Bosch 
mechanical fuel injections?  I live in Westchester County (Hawthorne 
New York 10532) just outside of New York City.





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Re: [MBZ] OM603 head immersion test

[Mitch Haley]

Max Dillon wrote:

Thanks for the idea, my jig saw is currently out of commission, but your 
correct that it would be a much cleaner and controlled cut.  Have to see about 
repairing that saw...


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Re: [MBZ] 1990 MB 300E - Replaced Fuel Distributor - Running rough...help needed again!

[Max Dillon]

I know someone in MBCA in New York, will ask for mechanic recommendation.
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Re: [MBZ] 1990 MB 300E - Replaced Fuel Distributor - Running rough...help needed again!

[Robert Koziak]

No very clear no change in level.   The original owner had records that the 
headgasket was changed at 73K by Mercedes, not to say it couldn't happen again. 
 Thanks for the input!



-Original Message-
From: Max Dillon 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Sun, Mar 9, 2014 7:37 pm
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1990 MB 300E - Replaced Fuel Distributor - Running 
rough...help needed again!


Coolant level?  Oil milky looking? Blown head gasket?
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Re: [MBZ] Becker Replacement

[Max Dillon]

What is the FM sensitivity?  (In dB)

Crutchfield lists for $149, but out of stock.
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Re: [MBZ] 1990 MB 300E - Replaced Fuel Distributor - Running rough...help needed again!

[Max Dillon]

Coolant level?  Oil milky looking? Blown head gasket?
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Re: [MBZ] A brace of rodbenders

[WILTON]

'Spose there's a good engine between 'em?

Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 3:15 PM
Subject: [MBZ] A brace of rodbenders



https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/4352337375.html

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Re: [MBZ] 1990 MB 300E - Replaced Fuel Distributor - Running rough...help needed again!

[Robert Koziak]

I parked the car away in the garage for the winter since putting back the old 
fuel distributor in January.  Weather is nice in the northeast so I decided to 
take the car out and give it another try.  The car runs rough and there is 
still excessive while smoke.  I rtealize the issue is beyond my capabilities 
and I need to find a good mechanic. 


Anyone know a good mechanic who works on older Mercedes with Bosch mechanical 
fuel injections?  I live in Westchester County (Hawthorne New York 10532) just 
outside of New York City.  


Second questiondo you think it's safe to drive the car to a mechanic 
considering the smoke issue?  There is a liquid soming out of the exhaust too 
which appears to be a combination of water and fuel.


Thanks,


Bob






-Original Message-
From: Robert Koziak 
To: mercedes 
Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2014 6:11 pm
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1990 MB 300E - Replaced Fuel Distributor - Running   
rough...help!


Since changing the fuel distributor is really not difficult I decided to put 
the 
old one back on and see what happens.  It started up pretty quick and ran rough 
with excessive white smoke.  I assume that's the excess fuel in the system 
burning off.  Have a party to attend so can't wait for it to burn 
off...hopefully it's not too long.


I will resume the quest tomorrow.


Thanks to all!



-Original Message-
From: Peter Frederick 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2014 12:32 pm
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1990 MB 300E - Replaced Fuel Distributor - Running   
rough...help!


Thanks Mitch.

I'm still battling mine, I suspect I need to bite the bullet and take  
the fuel distributor off and clean everything up.  Just put a new  
regulator on the alternator today, battery went flat between Monday  
(when it started at -4) and Friday night.  Good thing it didn't poop  
out on me in the cold.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Hey Max Mama called

[Dan Penoff]

Between the clear coat issue, the potential rocker panel rust and mileage, 
they're asking a bit high, if you ask me.

1984 is by far the best year for the 380SL, maybe as good as 1983, but that's a 
$2500-$3500 car in my opinion.

Dan


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> Looks pretty decent, but the mention of rust off-puts me.
> 
> I'll bet that hood clear-coat issue would buff right out...
> 
> Much better car than the "red folly" I posted last week.
> 
> 
> On March 9, 2014 3:13:30 PM EDT, Rich Thomas 
>  wrote:
>> and said to go get this for her
>> 
>> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/4362000418.html
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Re: [MBZ] Water Pump R&R 602-962 engine

[Max Dillon]

Regarding the gasket, follow the factory service manual.  Usually they don't 
require sealant.

1 gallon of coolant is sufficient, make up the rest with tap water.
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Re: [MBZ] A brace of rodbenders

[Max Dillon]

A steal at half the price!

On March 9, 2014 3:15:36 PM EDT, Rich Thomas 
 wrote:
>https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/4352337375.html
>
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Max Mama called

[Max Dillon]

Looks pretty decent, but the mention of rust off-puts me.

I'll bet that hood clear-coat issue would buff right out...

Much better car than the "red folly" I posted last week.


On March 9, 2014 3:13:30 PM EDT, Rich Thomas 
 wrote:
>and said to go get this for her
>
>https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/4362000418.html
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Re: [MBZ] Water Pump R&R 602-962 engine

[Larry T]

Thanks - it's probably not a big deal to pull the radiator and once 
that's out the alt and WP should be easy..


What about gasket sealant?   I suspect it's never been apart & I don't 
think the factory used sealant...


Also, about how much new coolant should I have on hand?  1 gal? 2 G?

Thanks -

Sincerely,
Larry

On 3/9/2014 3:05 PM, clay wrote:

You can probably slither around to get access, but taking the stuff out will 
allow you much better reach and ability to wrench.

clay


On Mar 9, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Larry T wrote:


Howdy -
I need to replace my water pump as it's leaking and starting to squeak.  i 
read the WSM Procedure but ir seems they may be doing more than is needed - if 
someone who has done this on a 91 300D 602-962 engine, I'd really like to hear 
from you.

The WSM called for removing the radiator, alternator and a few other things 
i don't normally remove.  Also, the WSM  didn't say anything about putting 
permatex, etc on the gasket - would you recommend it?

   I know the serpentine belt tensioner needs to be released so the water pump 
bolts can be accessed but am not aware of a reason to pull the alternator.  but 
if it needs to come off I'll take it off - same with the radiator although I 
don't mind leaving  it installed and working over the radiator.

Please let me know what other "gotch ya's" are waiting for me

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Re: [MBZ] Water Pump R&R 602-962 engine

[Max Dillon]

Second that.  Seems like too much effort, but will give you all the room you 
need.

Caveat: haven't done a water pump on a OM60x, but I have on a OM617.  Tried to 
get by leaving the radiator in place, ended up removing it.

On March 9, 2014 3:05:27 PM EDT, clay  wrote:
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>will allow you much better reach and ability to wrench.  
>

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Re: [MBZ] Becker Replacement

[Larry T]

When you say it's a "head unit" - is that in the sense the w124s are 
head units with the tuner and amp in the trunk?  Just curious -- my OEM 
head unit is starting to do funny things (funny as in strange, not haha) 
;-) but I doubt its a head unit in the purest sense?


Always looking for alternatives

Sincerely,
Larry

On 3/9/2014 3:11 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

R129 (1997 SL500).

Dan


On Mar 9, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Larry T wrote:


What MB was this installed in?

Sincerely,
Larry



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Re: [MBZ] Becker Replacement

[Dan Penoff]

No, but neither will any other aftermarket head units that I know of.

I never use the CD changer as it is, and the one in my R129 doesn't work anyway.

Dan

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> Will it operated the trunk cd changer? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Becker Replacement

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Will it operated the trunk cd changer? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2014, at 3:00 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> 
> I hate aftermarket units in MBs, too, but after having one for a short time 
> when I got the car I was spoiled with the iPod and phone integration.  I can 
> deal with the aesthetics, but I wouldn't go with anything that didn't sound 
> as good or better than the stock Becker.
> 
> I had my recently rebuilt Becker in the car with a GROM USB interface for the 
> iPod, but it just didn't give me the same sort of feature set that the newer 
> head units had.  When I saw some guys talking about the Blaupunkt Toronto 
> over at the BW R129 forum and saw how inexpensive they were, I figured I 
> would try it out and see.
> 
> With the ability to use the stock cell phone mic in the car, I was pretty 
> much set as far as functionality.
> 
> As I mentioned previously, if the "knob" illumination was amber it would be 
> perfect.  Otheriwise, It's so far beyond the stock Becker there is no 
> comparison.
> 
> And no, I'm not mad at Jaime.  For that matter, Becker sells the Toronto as a 
> stock head unit replacement - for $350.
> 
> Ouch.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 9, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>> 
>> he's pissed off at jaime.  that's why!
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>> 
>>> Why did you replace the factory unit? I hate aftermarket units in a mb
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 9, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
 
 Yes.
 
 Here is a link to the Amazon listing for it:
>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008FYFBVG/ref=oh_details_o00_s01_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 
 Dan
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Becker Replacement

[Gary Hurst]

i hear AZ sells the same thing for 59 bucks and calls it "sanyo" for some
odd reason


On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> I hate aftermarket units in MBs, too, but after having one for a short
> time when I got the car I was spoiled with the iPod and phone integration.
>  I can deal with the aesthetics, but I wouldn't go with anything that
> didn't sound as good or better than the stock Becker.
>
> I had my recently rebuilt Becker in the car with a GROM USB interface for
> the iPod, but it just didn't give me the same sort of feature set that the
> newer head units had.  When I saw some guys talking about the Blaupunkt
> Toronto over at the BW R129 forum and saw how inexpensive they were, I
> figured I would try it out and see.
>
> With the ability to use the stock cell phone mic in the car, I was pretty
> much set as far as functionality.
>
> As I mentioned previously, if the "knob" illumination was amber it would
> be perfect.  Otheriwise, It's so far beyond the stock Becker there is no
> comparison.
>
> And no, I'm not mad at Jaime.  For that matter, Becker sells the Toronto
> as a stock head unit replacement - for $350.
>
> Ouch.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
> > he's pissed off at jaime.  that's why!
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  >wrote:
> >
> >> Why did you replace the factory unit? I hate aftermarket units in a mb
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Mar 9, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yes.
> >>>
> >>> Here is a link to the Amazon listing for it:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008FYFBVG/ref=oh_details_o00_s01_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
> >>>
> >>> Dan
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Mar 9, 2014, at 2:56 PM, Max Dillon wrote:
> 
>  Is volume a dial control?
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Re: [MBZ] Becker Replacement

[Dan Penoff]

I hate aftermarket units in MBs, too, but after having one for a short time 
when I got the car I was spoiled with the iPod and phone integration.  I can 
deal with the aesthetics, but I wouldn't go with anything that didn't sound as 
good or better than the stock Becker.

I had my recently rebuilt Becker in the car with a GROM USB interface for the 
iPod, but it just didn't give me the same sort of feature set that the newer 
head units had.  When I saw some guys talking about the Blaupunkt Toronto over 
at the BW R129 forum and saw how inexpensive they were, I figured I would try 
it out and see.

With the ability to use the stock cell phone mic in the car, I was pretty much 
set as far as functionality.

As I mentioned previously, if the "knob" illumination was amber it would be 
perfect.  Otheriwise, It's so far beyond the stock Becker there is no 
comparison.

And no, I'm not mad at Jaime.  For that matter, Becker sells the Toronto as a 
stock head unit replacement - for $350.

Ouch.

Dan



On Mar 9, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

> he's pissed off at jaime.  that's why!
> 
> 
> On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> 
>> Why did you replace the factory unit? I hate aftermarket units in a mb
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 9, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes.
>>> 
>>> Here is a link to the Amazon listing for it:
>>> 
>>> 
>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008FYFBVG/ref=oh_details_o00_s01_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 9, 2014, at 2:56 PM, Max Dillon wrote:
 
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Re: [MBZ] Becker Replacement

[Gary Hurst]

he's pissed off at jaime.  that's why!


On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> Why did you replace the factory unit? I hate aftermarket units in a mb
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 9, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > Here is a link to the Amazon listing for it:
> >
> >
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008FYFBVG/ref=oh_details_o00_s01_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >> On Mar 9, 2014, at 2:56 PM, Max Dillon wrote:
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Becker Replacement

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Why did you replace the factory unit? I hate aftermarket units in a mb

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> 
> Yes.
> 
> Here is a link to the Amazon listing for it:
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008FYFBVG/ref=oh_details_o00_s01_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Mar 9, 2014, at 2:56 PM, Max Dillon wrote:
>> 
>> Is volume a dial control?  
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[MBZ] A brace of rodbenders

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[MBZ] Hey Max Mama called

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and said to go get this for her

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Re: [MBZ] Becker Replacement

[Dan Penoff]

Yes.

Here is a link to the Amazon listing for it:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008FYFBVG/ref=oh_details_o00_s01_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Dan


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Re: [MBZ] Becker Replacement

[Dan Penoff]

R129 (1997 SL500).

Dan


On Mar 9, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Larry T wrote:

> What MB was this installed in?
> 
> Sincerely,
> Larry
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Re: [MBZ] Water Pump R&R 602-962 engine

[clay]

You can probably slither around to get access, but taking the stuff out will 
allow you much better reach and ability to wrench.  

clay


On Mar 9, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Larry T wrote:

> Howdy -
>I need to replace my water pump as it's leaking and starting to squeak.  i 
> read the WSM Procedure but ir seems they may be doing more than is needed - 
> if someone who has done this on a 91 300D 602-962 engine, I'd really like to 
> hear from you.
> 
>The WSM called for removing the radiator, alternator and a few other 
> things i don't normally remove.  Also, the WSM  didn't say anything about 
> putting permatex, etc on the gasket - would you recommend it?
> 
>   I know the serpentine belt tensioner needs to be released so the water pump 
> bolts can be accessed but am not aware of a reason to pull the alternator.  
> but if it needs to come off I'll take it off - same with the radiator 
> although I don't mind leaving  it installed and working over the radiator.
> 
>Please let me know what other "gotch ya's" are waiting for me
> 
> TIA,
> 
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[MBZ] Mercedes watch

[OK Don]

*Two topics in one!*

Mercedes-Benz Pebble smartwatch

Wearable tech was one of the hottest trends at CES 2014, and Mercedes-Benz
was among the companies showing off gadgets for the body in the form
of a Pebble
smartwatchconcept.
The device can communicate with the Mercedes-Benz Digital
DriveStyle app to allow an owner to keep track of a vehicle's location and
fuel level, access navigation features such as Google local search and get
social network feeds from Facebook and Twitter when away from the car. And
while driving it could tap into vehicle-to-vehicle communication to warn a
driver about accidents, road construction or stalled vehicles -- all via
vibration.
http://t.autos.msn.com/car-tech/latest-and-best-high-tech-car-gadgets#image=13

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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] Becker Replacement

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[MBZ] Water Pump R&R 602-962 engine

[Larry T]

Howdy -
I need to replace my water pump as it's leaking and starting to 
squeak.  i read the WSM Procedure but ir seems they may be doing more 
than is needed - if someone who has done this on a 91 300D 602-962 
engine, I'd really like to hear from you.


The WSM called for removing the radiator, alternator and a few 
other things i don't normally remove.  Also, the WSM  didn't say 
anything about putting permatex, etc on the gasket - would you recommend it?


   I know the serpentine belt tensioner needs to be released so the 
water pump bolts can be accessed but am not aware of a reason to pull 
the alternator.  but if it needs to come off I'll take it off - same 
with the radiator although I don't mind leaving  it installed and 
working over the radiator.


Please let me know what other "gotch ya's" are waiting for me

TIA,

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Re: [MBZ] Becker Replacement

[Larry T]

What MB was this installed in?

Sincerely,
Larry

On 3/9/2014 9:47 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Bought a Blaupunkt "Toronto" on Thursday for my last Amazon Prime item before 
my free membership expired.  Saw a bunch of people over at Benzworld who had them and 
were pleased.  The Blau was $169.99 shipped.  Here are my observations:

Amazing.

The Blaupunkt is literally plug and play.  The connector matches up perfectly 
with the stock harness, so you need nothing in the way of wiring to be done or 
modified, from what I can see.

I pulled the Toronto out of the box, installed the faceplate and plugged it in. 
 WIthin seconds I was able to set it up and have FM.  10 minutes later I had it 
paired with my iPhone 4 and my phone book downloaded to the unit.

The EQ is a little thin, which was about the only criticism I saw online, but I 
was able to tinker with it for a minute or two and get it to nearly perfectly 
match the Becker that I removed, so I'm happy.  This was the determining factor 
in whether or not I would keep the Toronto.

I'm keeping the Toronto.

The only complaint I have is the blue lighting.  I wish the color on the knobs 
could be changed to amber to better match the aesthetics of the interior, but 
other than that I am very happy with it.

So it's back out to the garage to run the USB cable to the center console and 
find a place to mount the accessory BT microphone.

I would add that I haven't tried the BT phone functions as far as calling, but 
that wasn't a big feature for me, so I'll play with it later when I can set 
something up with another caller.  I bought it for the tunes and integration 
with my iPod.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Rear brake lines

[Larry T]

No,I ended up using some high-end wireless electrical connector crimpers 
I had in my tool box.  it has a 1/4" wide half moon shape on one side 
and a semi sharp opposing piece that actually makes the crimp.   It was 
a perfect fit for the bleed valve.


I attached a image of them if Kaleb will let it through...   It was the 
same principle that someone suggested using vise grips would 
accomplish.   As I squeezed the pliers the "teeth helped hold the 
bleeder and break it loose.


Sincerely,
Larry

On 3/9/2014 10:37 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Larry T wrote:

Hi Gang,
I finally removed the passenger rear side bleeder valve today, 


Did you buy those Irwin nut/stud removers?

Mitch.

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[MBZ] Car pR0n of the day

[Rich Thomas]

including an S-class coupe

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Re: [MBZ] Rear brake lines

[Mitch Haley]

Larry T wrote:

Hi Gang,
I finally removed the passenger rear side bleeder valve today, 


Did you buy those Irwin nut/stud removers?

Mitch.

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[MBZ] Becker Replacement

[Dan Penoff]

Bought a Blaupunkt "Toronto" on Thursday for my last Amazon Prime item before 
my free membership expired.  Saw a bunch of people over at Benzworld who had 
them and were pleased.  The Blau was $169.99 shipped.  Here are my observations:

Amazing.

The Blaupunkt is literally plug and play.  The connector matches up perfectly 
with the stock harness, so you need nothing in the way of wiring to be done or 
modified, from what I can see.

I pulled the Toronto out of the box, installed the faceplate and plugged it in. 
 WIthin seconds I was able to set it up and have FM.  10 minutes later I had it 
paired with my iPhone 4 and my phone book downloaded to the unit.

The EQ is a little thin, which was about the only criticism I saw online, but I 
was able to tinker with it for a minute or two and get it to nearly perfectly 
match the Becker that I removed, so I'm happy.  This was the determining factor 
in whether or not I would keep the Toronto.

I'm keeping the Toronto.

The only complaint I have is the blue lighting.  I wish the color on the knobs 
could be changed to amber to better match the aesthetics of the interior, but 
other than that I am very happy with it.

So it's back out to the garage to run the USB cable to the center console and 
find a place to mount the accessory BT microphone.

I would add that I haven't tried the BT phone functions as far as calling, but 
that wasn't a big feature for me, so I'll play with it later when I can set 
something up with another caller.  I bought it for the tunes and integration 
with my iPod.

Dan
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