Re: [MBZ] Deep water adventure, now dead starter?

[Craig]

On Sat, 7 Jun 2014 21:27:14 -0700 Jim Cathey 
wrote:

> Exactly analogous to putting your car up on jack stands and flooring
> it in high gear, and then telling all your friends that your econobox
> can go 180 MPH, because that's what the speedometer read at redline.

Excellent analogy!

Thanks, Jim.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Deep water adventure, now dead starter?

[Jim Cathey]

I disconnected the last wiring junction before the starter solenoid, 11
volts measured when the key was turned.  I don't think the NSS is the 
issue.


Open-circuit voltage measurements tell you _nothing_ significant.

Exactly analogous to putting your car up on jack stands and flooring
it in high gear, and then telling all your friends that your econobox
can go 180 MPH, because that's what the speedometer read at redline.

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Re: [MBZ] Deep water adventure, now dead starter?

[Craig]

On Sat, 7 Jun 2014 23:03:43 -0400 Meade Dillon 
wrote:

> What do you think may be the problem?
> 
> How do you think I should try to isolate the problem?

You may have already solved the problem by disconnecting and
reconnecting plugs in various places (including the Neutral Safety
Switch), as you mentioned in your post of 2257 EDT.

 
> On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 7:55 PM, Jim Cathey 
> wrote:
> 
> >
> > That will prove nothing.  The failure mechanism of wet
> > things is to develop increased contact resistance due
> > to corrosion.  That puts heat and voltage drop in places
> > where it should not be, and prevents power from being
> > fully delivered to the places it should be.
> >
> > -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody need a cheap idi turbo ford?

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Hmmm, K&N air filter installed and now starting to use oil   Hmmm.
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Re: [MBZ] Deep water adventure, now dead starter

[Meade Dillon]

This is a Bosch "re-manufactured" starter, only 2 years / 30k miles old.  I
don't think it has worn out yet.

I just had FLAPS test the starter, it failed the first test (solenoid) and
then passed the next five or so tests.

Solenoid seems to be the issue, and I cannot find any source for a
replacement solenoid.

Thanks,
Max

On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Marshall Field  wrote:

> I would be more suspect of excessive bearing wear in the bearings that
> "cup" the armature.  Once worn, flat spots and low spots result and can
> cause the kind of intermittent performance you are seeing
> Good standard practice is to read/record current draw of the starter during
> cranking over miles and time.  Like in the maintenance records.  MB has
> specs for maximum draw permitted, at which time overhaul or replacement is
> required.   Point in fact, a high amp current draw meter is a most useful
> tool and not that expensive.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Deep water adventure, now dead starter?

[Meade Dillon]

What do you think may be the problem?

How do you think I should try to isolate the problem?

On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 7:55 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

>
> That will prove nothing.  The failure mechanism of wet
> things is to develop increased contact resistance due
> to corrosion.  That puts heat and voltage drop in places
> where it should not be, and prevents power from being
> fully delivered to the places it should be.
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] Deep water adventure, now dead starter?

[Meade Dillon]

I disconnected the last wiring junction before the starter solenoid, 11
volts measured when the key was turned.  I don't think the NSS is the issue.

Now the solenoid wants to work every time.


Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
 On Jun 7, 2014 6:37 PM, "Meade Dillon"  wrote:

> Hmmm, I couldn't get to the contactors inside the solenoid to check/clean,
> and didn't test the coil(s).  May have to check that if I can't solve the
> low voltage.  I guess I could disconnect the ignition signal at the
> solenoid, see if I still only get ~9.5 volts?
>
> -Max
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Rich Thomas <
> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
>
>> Might be a short in the solenoid?  That would drop your voltage. Not sure
>> how the thing getting wet (unless it is still wet) would cause that.
>>
>> --R
>
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[MBZ] Deep water adventure, now dead starter

[Marshall Field]

I would be more suspect of excessive bearing wear in the bearings that
"cup" the armature.  Once worn, flat spots and low spots result and can
cause the kind of intermittent performance you are seeing
Good standard practice is to read/record current draw of the starter during
cranking over miles and time.  Like in the maintenance records.  MB has
specs for maximum draw permitted, at which time overhaul or replacement is
required.   Point in fact, a high amp current draw meter is a most useful
tool and not that expensive.

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Re: [MBZ] Deep water adventure, now dead starter?

[Craig]

On Sat, 7 Jun 2014 18:34:15 -0400 Meade Dillon 
wrote:

> Craig, it cranks the starter instantly, every time, when I short the
> solenoid "start" terminal to the battery hot terminal.
>   
> Looking at the wiring diagram, path seems to be from battery to switch
> to starter lock-out relay to NSS to solenoid, with a few connectors in
> between.
> 
> I'm going to start chasing that path for the voltage drop...

That sounds like the right thing to do.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - shredder/mulcher machines

[OK Don]

That's probably good advice, but I've not had good experiences with engine
powered rentals in the past ---


On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Larry Turner  wrote:

> For large piles or large branches of wood, consider a rental unit. Plenty
> of sizes available and no upkeep to worry about...
>
> LarryT
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] Deep water adventure, now dead starter?

[Jim Cathey]

I guess I could disconnect the ignition signal at the
solenoid, see if I still only get ~9.5 volts?


That will prove nothing.  The failure mechanism of wet
things is to develop increased contact resistance due
to corrosion.  That puts heat and voltage drop in places
where it should not be, and prevents power from being
fully delivered to the places it should be.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Deep water adventure, now dead starter?

[Meade Dillon]

Hmmm, I couldn't get to the contactors inside the solenoid to check/clean,
and didn't test the coil(s).  May have to check that if I can't solve the
low voltage.  I guess I could disconnect the ignition signal at the
solenoid, see if I still only get ~9.5 volts?

-Max


On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> Might be a short in the solenoid?  That would drop your voltage. Not sure
> how the thing getting wet (unless it is still wet) would cause that.
>
> --R
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Re: [MBZ] Deep water adventure, now dead starter?

[Meade Dillon]

Craig, it cranks the starter instantly, every time, when I short the
solenoid "start" terminal to the battery hot terminal.

However, today the no-crank condition has only presented on the first few
attempts, now no matter what the test, it cranks every time.

So, I think the starter ground path is fine.  I think the voltage to the
battery is fine.

The only issue I see is the low voltage to the solenoid.  After much
reading on solenoids over the last few days, I believe that the minimum
voltage required is about 8 volts, but if mine is still a little cranky
from getting wet, maybe now it needs a little more voltage to operate?

Looking at the wiring diagram, path seems to be from battery to switch to
starter lock-out relay to NSS to solenoid, with a few connectors in
between.

I'm going to start chasing that path for the voltage drop...

-Max


On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Craig  wrote:

>
> Yes. What does shorting the big, top terminal on the solenoid to the
> small, terminal on the solenoid?
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Deep water adventure, now dead starter?

[Rich Thomas]

Might be a short in the solenoid?  That would drop your voltage. Not 
sure how the thing getting wet (unless it is still wet) would cause that.


--R


On 6/7/14 5:59 PM, Meade Dillon wrote:

Ok, starter solenoid is only getting about 9.5 volts.

I added an additional ground path, used jumper cable from starter body to
battery negative, slight improvement, about a tenth of a volt.

So, could a bad neutral safety switch cause this?

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Waterless Coolant?

[Larry Turner]

I see a lot of talk about it in the European press which all seem to 
think it's the next best thing to sliced bread...


LarryT

On 6/6/2014 7:24 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Anyone have any experience with this stuff?

A guy on my generator list has been talking about how great it is and that he runs it in 
his "old Mercedes" (I'm asking for more details there.)

http://www.evanscooling.com/questions-and-answers/no-water/no-problems/

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] OT - shredder/mulcher machines

[Larry Turner]

For large piles or large branches of wood, consider a rental unit. 
Plenty of sizes available and no upkeep to worry about...


LarryT

On 6/6/2014 6:01 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:

I had one for 10-15 years.  It was a Sears, maybe 8HP.  It was useful for
converting small amounts of limb debris into wood chips but each stick had
to be smaller that a limit (2-3 inches, I think) and each had to be hand-fed
into the chute.  Too slow for big jobs (like hurricane debris) in my
opinion.  We also found that local tree people would deliver a truck load of
mulched/chipped wood for free although that contained some trash/debris.
Now that I live in the sticks (50 acres of woods) I sold the chipper
shredder for $50 and just haul stuff to the woods.

Scott


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Subject: [MBZ] OT - shredder/mulcher machines

Has anyone had experiences with these, other than watching Fargo?

We have been collecting a lot of branches and leaves lately due to the
cutting down of several Eastern Red Cedar trees (they almost explode in a
fire), and my wife would rather have mulch than ashes.

I see 10HP models in the $500 - 600 range on CL.

Do they work as advertised, or are they an expensive piece of junk?

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Re: [MBZ] Deep water adventure, now dead starter?

[Craig]

On Sat, 7 Jun 2014 17:59:29 -0400 Meade Dillon 
wrote:

> Ok, starter solenoid is only getting about 9.5 volts.
> 
> I added an additional ground path, used jumper cable from starter body
> to battery negative, slight improvement, about a tenth of a volt.
> 
> So, could a bad neutral safety switch cause this?

Yes. What does shorting the big, top terminal on the solenoid to the
small, terminal on the solenoid?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Deep water adventure, now dead starter?

[Meade Dillon]

Ok, starter solenoid is only getting about 9.5 volts.

I added an additional ground path, used jumper cable from starter body to
battery negative, slight improvement, about a tenth of a volt.

So, could a bad neutral safety switch cause this?

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] finally & VA

[G Mann]

Larry,

Sorry, at that level, every move is above my pay grade.  Currently there
have been a large number of high level bank officials arrested due to their
attempts to manipulate the Global Currency Reset to their personal
advantage via insider trading [so I am advised].

The BRIC countries have now been joined by a number of European countries
and the USD reserve currency status is slipping quickly.  The "Reserve
Currency USD is tied to the Petro dollar [energy being the driving element
in global money markets]. So, to answer you correctly, I can't.

The best I can do is study the active elements in financial markets and
draw [perhaps ] logical conclusions.  That presumes actions will be
logical... but not whose logic it will follow.. ha.

Persuant to your question re Federal Reserve.  It appears the fed is dead..
the "great financial crash of 2008" was caused by the principles of the Fed
robbing the public one last time through gross manipulation of the housing
market [home is the greatest family investment , thus MOG [money on ground]
for the vultures who rape and rob [federal reserve].

"Trust everyone but always cut the cards"

Grant...​


On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Larry Turner  wrote:

> Thanks for that Grant.   Do you think (or have heard anything) the Federal
> Reserve will be chartered for another 100 years and are the politicians
> pushing for a audit?  For an organization to control so much of what is
> spent and by whom, it is atrocious that there has only been 1 half hearted
> effort to do a audit on the Fed's activities!
>
> Larry
>
> On 6/6/2014 10:47 AM, G Mann wrote:
>
>> Great questions.
>>
>> Not so great answers.
>>
>> Under Basal III agreement [by all the controlling bankers] there is to be
>> a
>> Global Currency Reset this summer. 198 of the 204 currencies of the world
>> are to be revalued with each currency backed by "asset" rather than "fiat"
>> [current federal reserve "dollars" are "fiat currency" backed the the
>> paper
>> it's printed on and "full faith and credit of the USA" [which has been now
>> downgraded twice under current administration]. This has now started, but
>> far from completion.
>>
>> BRIC is making a strong play to become the world reserve currency, and the
>> US Dollar as the petro dollar is fading fast. [to buy oil, you must pay in
>> USD, which means you take your Yuan, buy dollars [at exchange rate of the
>> day] then pay Russia, or Saudi, or Iran, or whoever has oil, in USD.. The
>> world isn't happy with that arrangement presently.
>>
>> The FRN [Federal Reserve Note, fiat currency "dollar"] is now being phased
>> out and replaced with TRN [Treasury Reserve Note] which is "asset backed"
>> as required by Basal III agreement.  As of 2013 the 100 year charter of
>> the
>> "Federal Reserve" [a private corporation, not federal, not a reserve] is
>> finished [1913 federal reserve act, google it, read it].
>>
>> The value of your savings and FRN dollars you hold will be "reset"
>> sometime
>> during this GCR.  Early scuttlebutt said FRN's would be valued at 50% of
>> face value.. later scuttlebutt says no, it will be held at higher
>> value
>> above my pay grade in any case.. it is and will be a closely held and
>> guarded secret until "released" to keep currency traders in check.
>>
>> The good news is: Through it all, my Mercedes continue to function as
>> built
>> and I expect to continue to afford to buy parts for them as needed.
>>
>> Grant...
>>
>> ​
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
>>
>>  arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>   Domestically you may be right, but I am looking at Americas position
>>>
 among the nations of the world.
 All nations eventually decline.  The problem is that we have no way of
 knowing when our nation will do so.  Looking at the data link on my
 email
 to Scott:

  It may be difficult to impossible to predict, but now that it's
>>> happening,
>>> it's easy enough to see.
>>>
>>> Remember when the British Pound was the world's reserve currency?
>>> (well, I doubt anybody alive has a personal memory, but you know what I
>>> mean)
>>> That was when jolly old England was the predominate world power.
>>>
>>> Remember when the US Dollar was the world's reserve currency?
>>> That was before about 2008.
>>> The transition isn't complete because we don't have a replacement world
>>> monetary standard yet. Will it be the Yuan, the Euro, or maybe we'll have
>>> different commodities priced in different dominate currencies?
>>>
>>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Respite Care

[Dan Penoff]

Sorry to hear about that, Rich.  With the aging population here you can be sure 
there's plenty of things like that going on, too.  However, they seem to go 
after the people pretty aggressively, but I suspect that's due to the large 
population of older people around here

These folks are great in that they will even do light housework, pick up 
groceries, etc.  If you allow them to spend money for you they have to receipt 
it out no matter how it's done.  That is, if you give them your debit card to 
go pick up some groceries, they'll fill out a receipt and it gets recorded back 
at the HQ in your records.

They're bonded and insured as well.

They swapped out the first caregiver they sent.  I got a voice mail from their 
supervisor after the first visit saying that they didn't think the first person 
they sent out was a "good fit" for some reason.  I called and asked what was 
up, fearing that the FIL had gotten verbally abusive as he is prone to do so.  
They said that he had been just fine, but that they felt that another one of 
their employees would be a better fit for him and they would be sending her the 
next week.

I'm not sure what the deal was, but the second one they sent has been working 
out just fine.

I would add that they do a home visit up front before you sign on, and spend a 
fair amount of time talking to everyone, explaining their services, and 
inspecting the home to make sure the place is safe and appropriate.  They even 
made some recommendations about furniture placement so my FIL can get around 
the house easier.

Dan

 
On Jun 7, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

> My parents were getting unable to take care of themselves and hired various 
> random people to come help out and care for them.  Got a call from my cousin 
> who ran a bank branch for the bank they had money at, he was a retired cop 
> and had received a call from a cop in another little town who had arrested 
> some lowlife woman for trying to alter a check they had given her to go get 
> groceries.  He recalled another incident where some other lowlife they had at 
> one point had come to his bank with a forged check for $5000 and just so 
> happened to present it to him, saying it was for a roofing job. That one got 
> busted.  So my cousin (somewhat contrary to policy, but as family...) checked 
> their bank acct and it had like $117 left in it.  These various (3 I could 
> document) people had been stealing money for about a year, writing checks in 
> the same amount as checks they were given, so if the bank called to ask if 
> they written a check for whatever, they said yes they had.  Total was like 
> $42k, aft
 er a coupla years of going back and forth to KY to court hearings and such I 
finally ended up getting about half of it back and the miscreants had no 
ongoing felonious record.  It was a long painful process and the prosecutor 
(small town, she knew various of my relatives) had minimal interest in the 
crimes as they were not violent or rapes of 5 year olds and such (which 
constituted a good part of her load).  Great country, America.
> 
> When I found out about it I flew up there the next day, and was sitting 
> outside doing something and the original woman comes driving up with some guy 
> and asks if she could go see my dad, she knew him and had worked for him.  I 
> did not know who she was so OK...  After a few minutes I go inside to check 
> up, she is asking him to borrow money, and I ask who she is, my dad tells me, 
> he has no idea she is the one who got this whole thing going.  Turns out she 
> was basically a crack ho, my dad is a softie, she had been "borrowing" money 
> from him now and again for awhile in addition to forging checks.  I told her 
> to GTF out of the house and she got real sh*tty with me, I went to the back 
> room and got a shotgun and told her I would ask one more time politely.  That 
> got her attention and they took off.  Of course my dad was all upset, "You 
> didn't have to do that, she's nice!"  My mom was going on about it all too... 
> lots of fun.
> 
> So, the point is, going through an agency is a very good idea, at least you 
> know who to go after if things go bad.  Hope it works out well, seems like it 
> is.
> 
> --R
> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Respite Care

[Rich Thomas]

My parents were getting unable to take care of themselves and hired 
various random people to come help out and care for them.  Got a call 
from my cousin who ran a bank branch for the bank they had money at, he 
was a retired cop and had received a call from a cop in another little 
town who had arrested some lowlife woman for trying to alter a check 
they had given her to go get groceries.  He recalled another incident 
where some other lowlife they had at one point had come to his bank with 
a forged check for $5000 and just so happened to present it to him, 
saying it was for a roofing job. That one got busted.  So my cousin 
(somewhat contrary to policy, but as family...) checked their bank acct 
and it had like $117 left in it.  These various (3 I could document) 
people had been stealing money for about a year, writing checks in the 
same amount as checks they were given, so if the bank called to ask if 
they written a check for whatever, they said yes they had.  Total was 
like $42k, after a coupla years of going back and forth to KY to court 
hearings and such I finally ended up getting about half of it back and 
the miscreants had no ongoing felonious record.  It was a long painful 
process and the prosecutor (small town, she knew various of my 
relatives) had minimal interest in the crimes as they were not violent 
or rapes of 5 year olds and such (which constituted a good part of her 
load).  Great country, America.


When I found out about it I flew up there the next day, and was sitting 
outside doing something and the original woman comes driving up with 
some guy and asks if she could go see my dad, she knew him and had 
worked for him.  I did not know who she was so OK...  After a few 
minutes I go inside to check up, she is asking him to borrow money, and 
I ask who she is, my dad tells me, he has no idea she is the one who got 
this whole thing going.  Turns out she was basically a crack ho, my dad 
is a softie, she had been "borrowing" money from him now and again for 
awhile in addition to forging checks.  I told her to GTF out of the 
house and she got real sh*tty with me, I went to the back room and got a 
shotgun and told her I would ask one more time politely.  That got her 
attention and they took off.  Of course my dad was all upset, "You 
didn't have to do that, she's nice!"  My mom was going on about it all 
too... lots of fun.


So, the point is, going through an agency is a very good idea, at least 
you know who to go after if things go bad.  Hope it works out well, 
seems like it is.


--R


On 6/7/14 2:49 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Just wanted to toss this out for those on the list who might have relatives 
caring for a loved one or spouse.

My father in-law is 85 years old and suffers from senile dementia, among other 
things.  None of these are debilitating enough for him to require placement in 
a care facility or to allow him to qualify for home care.  That means my mother 
in-law is essentially a full time caregiver.

She's been doing this for a number of years, but as he approaches the end of 
his life it's become more and more of her existence.

As one might expect, this takes a real toll on her, as she is still in good 
health and fully capable of getting out and socializing, going to church, etc.  
Father in-law has become a real ball and chain for her (and I mean that in the 
most caring way possible.)

Since he doesn't qualify for any kind of home care, I was trying to find some 
alternatives for respite care - someone who could come in and just provide 
companionship and general care for Father in-law so Mother in-law could get out 
and do some things on her own, like get her hair done or visit some friends.

I found a really great service called "Visiting Angels".  It's a national franchise that 
has local services for respite care on an hourly basis.  The caregivers are all CNAs at minimum and 
thoroughly vetted.  There is no obligation as far as a contract, and you have the ability to 
specify in advance the type of caregiver you want.  If they don't seem to be a good "fit" 
you can have another.

We have an "Angel" come in once a week for three hours.  Mother in-law gets out 
and can pretty much do as she pleases during that time.  The cost is actually pretty 
reasonable (I think) with ours being a little under $20/hour.  They have a sliding scale 
that decreases the hourly rate as you increase the hours.

This has done so much to improve her self esteem and general well being.  It 
gives her something to look forward to every week and a chance to get out and 
interact with others.  It is the best $60/week I have ever spent (so far.)

Just thought I would put this out there as I know some of you have similar 
situations.

Dan
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[MBZ] OT - Respite Care

[Dan Penoff]

Just wanted to toss this out for those on the list who might have relatives 
caring for a loved one or spouse.

My father in-law is 85 years old and suffers from senile dementia, among other 
things.  None of these are debilitating enough for him to require placement in 
a care facility or to allow him to qualify for home care.  That means my mother 
in-law is essentially a full time caregiver.

She's been doing this for a number of years, but as he approaches the end of 
his life it's become more and more of her existence.

As one might expect, this takes a real toll on her, as she is still in good 
health and fully capable of getting out and socializing, going to church, etc.  
Father in-law has become a real ball and chain for her (and I mean that in the 
most caring way possible.)

Since he doesn't qualify for any kind of home care, I was trying to find some 
alternatives for respite care - someone who could come in and just provide 
companionship and general care for Father in-law so Mother in-law could get out 
and do some things on her own, like get her hair done or visit some friends.

I found a really great service called "Visiting Angels".  It's a national 
franchise that has local services for respite care on an hourly basis.  The 
caregivers are all CNAs at minimum and thoroughly vetted.  There is no 
obligation as far as a contract, and you have the ability to specify in advance 
the type of caregiver you want.  If they don't seem to be a good "fit" you can 
have another.

We have an "Angel" come in once a week for three hours.  Mother in-law gets out 
and can pretty much do as she pleases during that time.  The cost is actually 
pretty reasonable (I think) with ours being a little under $20/hour.  They have 
a sliding scale that decreases the hourly rate as you increase the hours.

This has done so much to improve her self esteem and general well being.  It 
gives her something to look forward to every week and a chance to get out and 
interact with others.  It is the best $60/week I have ever spent (so far.)

Just thought I would put this out there as I know some of you have similar 
situations.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] finally & VA

[Scott Ritchey]

This may be a matter of: "don't ask the question if you can't stand the
answer."

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Larry
> Turner
> Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2014 12:26 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally & VA
> 
> Thanks for that Grant.   Do you think (or have heard anything) the
> Federal Reserve will be chartered for another 100 years and are the
> politicians pushing for a audit?  For an organization to control so much
> of what is spent and by whom, it is atrocious that there has only been 1
> half hearted effort to do a audit on the Fed's activities!
> 
> Larry
> 


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[MBZ] 123 Stuff.

[Fred Moir]

Manfred, Allan, et al.Manfred.Your parts are packed and will be posted 
Monday.Allan.I hope the link works. It is for 123 throttle linkage from an 1982 
and 1983 300TD.
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/sredir?uname=102611827594937512974&target=ALBUM&id=6022256349194433329&authkey=Gv1sRgCJK9lLnwoo3rbQ&invite=CP33-O0E&feat=email

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.   
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Re: [MBZ] Waterless Coolant?

[Dan Penoff]

I have no intention of changing, I was just interested in what others might 
know about this stuff.

I go strictly by the book when it comes to maintaining my cars.

Dan


On Jun 7, 2014, at 1:09 PM, OK Don wrote:

> Straight water is the standard for heat transfer capability, and specific
> heat of 1.0 Anti-freeze has a lower specific heat, many engines will over
> heat if run on pure anti-freeze. It doesn't have the heat transfer
> capability that the cooling system was engineered for. I see no reason to
> change from MB specifies.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Hendrik and Fay  wrote:
> 
>> This stuff was discussed a while back, basically if it's as good as
>> advertised why are manufacturers not using it?
>> You may argue it comes down to cost but they're happy enough to use M1 for
>> some things and remember MB and the sealed for life/extended service
>> interval transmissions?
>> Manufacturers are looking for ways to cut service costs, especially if
>> they offer free servicing.
>> I think further research indicated that basically this stuff is a from of
>> standard coolant but run undiluted.
>> Would you get the same effect if you ran undiluted MB approved coolant?
>> 
>> Hendrik
>> who uses the old school 50/50 stuff
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
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> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
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> 
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Re: [MBZ] Waterless Coolant?

[Mitch Haley]

OK Don wrote:

Straight water is the standard for heat transfer capability, and specific
heat of 1.0 Anti-freeze has a lower specific heat, many engines will over
heat if run on pure anti-freeze. It doesn't have the heat transfer
capability that the cooling system was engineered for. I see no reason to
change from MB specifies.


I don't think we're talking about 100% Prestone, but rather something much more 
expensive, with a multi-decade track record:


http://www.evanscooling.com/



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Re: [MBZ] Waterless Coolant?

[OK Don]

Straight water is the standard for heat transfer capability, and specific
heat of 1.0 Anti-freeze has a lower specific heat, many engines will over
heat if run on pure anti-freeze. It doesn't have the heat transfer
capability that the cooling system was engineered for. I see no reason to
change from MB specifies.


On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Hendrik and Fay  wrote:

> This stuff was discussed a while back, basically if it's as good as
> advertised why are manufacturers not using it?
> You may argue it comes down to cost but they're happy enough to use M1 for
> some things and remember MB and the sealed for life/extended service
> interval transmissions?
> Manufacturers are looking for ways to cut service costs, especially if
> they offer free servicing.
> I think further research indicated that basically this stuff is a from of
> standard coolant but run undiluted.
> Would you get the same effect if you ran undiluted MB approved coolant?
>
> Hendrik
> who uses the old school 50/50 stuff
>
>


-- 
OK Don

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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] finally & VA

[Larry Turner]

Thanks for that Grant.   Do you think (or have heard anything) the 
Federal Reserve will be chartered for another 100 years and are the 
politicians pushing for a audit?  For an organization to control so much 
of what is spent and by whom, it is atrocious that there has only been 1 
half hearted effort to do a audit on the Fed's activities!


Larry

On 6/6/2014 10:47 AM, G Mann wrote:

Great questions.

Not so great answers.

Under Basal III agreement [by all the controlling bankers] there is to be a
Global Currency Reset this summer. 198 of the 204 currencies of the world
are to be revalued with each currency backed by "asset" rather than "fiat"
[current federal reserve "dollars" are "fiat currency" backed the the paper
it's printed on and "full faith and credit of the USA" [which has been now
downgraded twice under current administration]. This has now started, but
far from completion.

BRIC is making a strong play to become the world reserve currency, and the
US Dollar as the petro dollar is fading fast. [to buy oil, you must pay in
USD, which means you take your Yuan, buy dollars [at exchange rate of the
day] then pay Russia, or Saudi, or Iran, or whoever has oil, in USD.. The
world isn't happy with that arrangement presently.

The FRN [Federal Reserve Note, fiat currency "dollar"] is now being phased
out and replaced with TRN [Treasury Reserve Note] which is "asset backed"
as required by Basal III agreement.  As of 2013 the 100 year charter of the
"Federal Reserve" [a private corporation, not federal, not a reserve] is
finished [1913 federal reserve act, google it, read it].

The value of your savings and FRN dollars you hold will be "reset" sometime
during this GCR.  Early scuttlebutt said FRN's would be valued at 50% of
face value.. later scuttlebutt says no, it will be held at higher value
above my pay grade in any case.. it is and will be a closely held and
guarded secret until "released" to keep currency traders in check.

The good news is: Through it all, my Mercedes continue to function as built
and I expect to continue to afford to buy parts for them as needed.

Grant...

​


On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:


arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:

  Domestically you may be right, but I am looking at Americas position

among the nations of the world.
All nations eventually decline.  The problem is that we have no way of
knowing when our nation will do so.  Looking at the data link on my email
to Scott:


It may be difficult to impossible to predict, but now that it's happening,
it's easy enough to see.

Remember when the British Pound was the world's reserve currency?
(well, I doubt anybody alive has a personal memory, but you know what I
mean)
That was when jolly old England was the predominate world power.

Remember when the US Dollar was the world's reserve currency?
That was before about 2008.
The transition isn't complete because we don't have a replacement world
monetary standard yet. Will it be the Yuan, the Euro, or maybe we'll have
different commodities priced in different dominate currencies?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] June Jamboree

[Gary Hurst]

i am!


On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 11:49 PM, Jaime Kopchinski 
wrote:

> Hi Guys,
> Anyone going to the June Jamboree at MBUSA in Montvale tomorrow?  I'll be
> there with my W109, and rumor has I'll be doing some judging.
>
> Jaime
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