Re: [MBZ] Max's work list today

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Yes.  The OM621 shows a suspended reservoir that is hooked up to the 
fuel supply side of the IP.


I don't know why they dropped the drip tube method for the OM60x. 
Seems like it should work.  Biggest problem is there is no good way 
to turn the crank without taking out the radiator & etc.


Curly, I had to read that a couple times before I understood how it 
would work.  I think I've got it; while the IP plunger is rising but 
the chamber opening is still exposed, delivery hasn't started and 
the fuel flows out instead of up.  Once the chamber opening is 
covered, further movement of the plunger pushes the fuel up into the 
dv. 

As I see it, the trick for using a start-of-delivery method is 
"pressurizing" the IP circuit without a priming pump.  A gravity-fed 
reservoir would do it.

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'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 20, 2015 11:31:24 AM EDT, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I developed my own method for timing om621/616/617.  It does NOT
involve removing the pin on the DV.  I take a straw and blow the fuel
out of the flared part of the connector on the IP (DV holder) for the
#1 cyl.  turn the engine very slowly when you are coming up to the
timing mark.   When the fuel just begins to rise, the delivery is
starting.  I set the time 1 to 2 degrees in advance of the book spec
to allow for the fact that delivery actually started, and that the DV
spring had to be overcome.  It has always worked on the cast iron
head engines.

I don't like disturbing the DV just to do timing.  It increases the
possibility of introducing contaminants (grit etc) into the IP.
Plus I never had extra seals and orings around to reseal the DV.




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[MBZ] florida winter Q

[Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes]

Folks

i could be persuaded to go down to florida in say jan feb march…. try to plan 
it not on spring break holiday times, i guess

i'm considering getting a vintage early 90's RV … specifically an isuzu npr 
chassis Safari Trek 1991 isuzu chassis and 1992 model trek. The one i'm working 
on has been parked down in south alabama (in a shed) for 2 or 4 years … someone 
inherited it  and that is the seller

sort of a pig in a poke deal, but cheap, cheap for a class a 26 footer

my guess is that if it has relatively clean diesel that it will fire right up 
with some batteries

tires and brakes might be more problematic, but this is all speculation

they are supposed to have good fuel mileage (12.5 to 16 mpg owners claim which 
is about like my NPR with a 16 foot box)  and i can run one on WVO just like my 
NPR

so maybe i'll be riding around in that 

thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

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www.javacycles.com
LETTERPRESSES FOR SALE
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Re: [MBZ] Strange Brake Wear Indicator - 94 S420

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Single wire harness, or two?  I was expecting a single wire on my 124, but
there are two.  The sensor has only one, and the other provides a good
ground connection to the brake assembly I guess.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 9:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Interesting.
>
> Since the wear indicator circuit is nothing more than a wire that grounds
> out to light a lamp, I’m convinced I’ll find something like this where it’s
> rubbing or grounding out somewhere.
>
> I’ll get the car in the air tomorrow night after work and take a look
> around.
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Sep 20, 2015, at 9:48 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Then I'll bet there is a wire grounding out the wear sensor circuit
> > somewhere in the rear brake system, so that when the movement associated
> > with the cable happens, it causes the short which illuminates that light.
> >
> > I've got an issue with the brake pad wear light illuminating on the White
> > Whale (124.193), and I've pretty much convinced myself that the wiring
> > harness is the issue, as all the harness (in the wheel wells) outer
> rubber
> > insulation has fallen off and the inner insulation doesn't look too good
> > either.  I've unplugged the wear sensors, expecting that to clear the
> > problem, but that has no affect; light still comes one at odd times, like
> > when backing up, speeding up or slowing down without braking.  Pads are
> > new, sensors are new.
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] My new purchase

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Good one, had us going...

Just too easy to believe that you would buy ANY 30+ year-old MB in just
about ANY shape.

How much indoor car storage room do you have left?

-
Max
Charleston SC

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> Ok well I guess I will fess up, I was at this guys house to pick up a 140
> diesel and he has this 600 that is undergoing a complete restoration,
>
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Re: [MBZ] Strange Brake Wear Indicator - 94 S420

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Interesting.

Since the wear indicator circuit is nothing more than a wire that grounds out 
to light a lamp, I’m convinced I’ll find something like this where it’s rubbing 
or grounding out somewhere.

I’ll get the car in the air tomorrow night after work and take a look around.

Dan

 
> On Sep 20, 2015, at 9:48 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Then I'll bet there is a wire grounding out the wear sensor circuit
> somewhere in the rear brake system, so that when the movement associated
> with the cable happens, it causes the short which illuminates that light.
> 
> I've got an issue with the brake pad wear light illuminating on the White
> Whale (124.193), and I've pretty much convinced myself that the wiring
> harness is the issue, as all the harness (in the wheel wells) outer rubber
> insulation has fallen off and the inner insulation doesn't look too good
> either.  I've unplugged the wear sensors, expecting that to clear the
> problem, but that has no affect; light still comes one at odd times, like
> when backing up, speeding up or slowing down without braking.  Pads are
> new, sensors are new.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Fw: 2015 ChowdahQ Eight fast approaching

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Dan,

I'd be interested, but can't make any promises until closer to the date.
February or later would work for me (maybe).  I think we are about a seven
hour drive, so maybe drive down part way on a Friday after work, spend
night and then get there for the event on Saturday, spend another night and
head north.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sep 20, 2015 4:12 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
>
> > I have offered several times to have a WinterQ in Florida in the winter
> > months.  No one seem to express an interest, but if anyone is, I’ll be
> more
> > than happy to host.
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Strange Brake Wear Indicator - 94 S420

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Then I'll bet there is a wire grounding out the wear sensor circuit
somewhere in the rear brake system, so that when the movement associated
with the cable happens, it causes the short which illuminates that light.

I've got an issue with the brake pad wear light illuminating on the White
Whale (124.193), and I've pretty much convinced myself that the wiring
harness is the issue, as all the harness (in the wheel wells) outer rubber
insulation has fallen off and the inner insulation doesn't look too good
either.  I've unplugged the wear sensors, expecting that to clear the
problem, but that has no affect; light still comes one at odd times, like
when backing up, speeding up or slowing down without braking.  Pads are
new, sensors are new.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes.
>
> There is the red “BRAKE” indicator that will light when the parking brake
> is applied or the reservoir is low.  Then there is a the (: :) yellow light
> that comes on when the wear indicator(s) ground out.
>
> The yellow light is coming on (as is the red one as expected) when he
> applies the parking brake.
>
> That’s what’s strange about it.  The yellow light has nothing to do with
> the parking brake.
>
> Dan
>
> > On Sep 20, 2015, at 5:33 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Are you sure about the meaning of the light?  All my star cars have a
> brake light that illuminates when the parking brake is engaged.
> > --
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> > '87 300TD
> > '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] 2015 ChowdahQ Eight

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

You don't see 'em?  I'm getting them just fine, must be your WAN link not
tuned right...  ;)

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Max
Charleston SC

On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 7:20 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So where are the pictures?!
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 10:00 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> ...
> Stay tuned all for links to pictures.
> Dwight
>
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: ALERT: VW accused of using software in 482, 000 diesels to skirt U.S. clean-air rules

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

CARB refused to renew our registration in 2014 on our 2010 touareg TDI
until the dealer completed a software update. When I took it down there,
the dealer said it was some emission related software update and would not
affect performance at all. In retrospect it seems like it was probably
related to this. I had to send an official certificate from vw to the dmv.
The notice I saw says it only affects cars but it seems there was a big
issue with the Touareg also at least in CA.
Curly wrote:
> We need to elect congresscritters with enough spine to cut the emissions
of
> the EPA to ZERO.

Be realistic.
That AIN'T gonna happen.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Max's work list today

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks Scott, I think in my next attempt (if there is one) I'll try using
diesel instead of air.  I need to figure out a cheap way to provide low
pressure fuel into the injection pump.

Just changed the oil in the White Whale, took just over an hour from "open
garage door" to cleaned up, old oil poured into empty jugs, tools put away
and entry made in car's maintenance log.

I started the car up to check for oil leaks, and wow! She starts so much
better now after the work yesterday.  I don't know if I've got the IP
timing as good as it can get, but it sure is much better than it was.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 6:20 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The bubble method works exactly the same way (as drip) except air (being
> much less viscous than DF2) can leak past the plunger if the pressure is
> too
> high making it hard to see when the plunger closes off the fill hole in the
> cylinder.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: 2015 ChowdahQ Eight fast approaching

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Dan,
I might be able to do that. It  would be fun. I would be sans Benz unless I
could find a  nice rust free southern  beauty there  to drive back north.
Can you get clams there? Or we could get Karen to modify her Chowdah recepe
for conch chowder.
Dwight
On Sep 20, 2015 4:12 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I have offered several times to have a WinterQ in Florida in the winter
> months.  No one seem to express an interest, but if anyone is, I’ll be more
> than happy to host.
>
> I have a very nice private park that would easily accommodate a good sized
> group of people and cars at my disposal. (It helps when you’re the
> president of the homeowner’s association!)
>
> We’re a short distance from Tampa, and around an hour from Orlando if
> you’re looking to hang out with the Mouse.
>
> Lemme know.  The spousal unit would go berserk, as she loves to cook for
> large groups.
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Sep 19, 2015, at 8:38 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Curly wrote:
> >> That sounds like fun.  I might join in for the lake michigan part of
> that,
> >> and maybe even the Q.
> >
> > Randy said he needs to stop in OH on the way home.  This will probably
> > be several vehicles so it will work if some want to meander home,
> > others rush.  I like meander.  Add another name to the Rick list -
> > Tommy who used to manage an MB museum in St Louis but is now married
> > with children.
> > mao
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Re: [MBZ] W108 Hydro-pneumatic Compensating Spring

[Jon Agne via Mercedes]

Thanks, Jaime!  


> On Sep 20, 2015, at 7:53 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jon,
> I have no idea... its been a while since I've needed one.  Off the top of
> my head, I'd say $400-500.  I could be way off, but that seems fair to me.
> I have a dead one in storage, waiting for them to appreciate!
> 
> They're all the same for all cars.  It'll make a big difference. Back in
> 2002 I put one in my 250S, along with new rubber bits and shocks.  It
> really changed the car:
> http://images.jaimekop.com/2002_05_27_250S_Rear_Suspension/pages/IMG_2617.htm
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Jaime,
>> 
>> How much is a good one worth in the used market.  Guy says he can
>> push/pull on it as hard as he can and it will hardly move.  Are there
>> different units for different cars?  I was thinking about swapping in one
>> for the HD spring …
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W108 Hydro-pneumatic Compensating Spring

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Hi Jon,
I have no idea... its been a while since I've needed one.  Off the top of
my head, I'd say $400-500.  I could be way off, but that seems fair to me.
I have a dead one in storage, waiting for them to appreciate!

They're all the same for all cars.  It'll make a big difference. Back in
2002 I put one in my 250S, along with new rubber bits and shocks.  It
really changed the car:
http://images.jaimekop.com/2002_05_27_250S_Rear_Suspension/pages/IMG_2617.htm

Jaime


On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Jaime,
>
> How much is a good one worth in the used market.  Guy says he can
> push/pull on it as hard as he can and it will hardly move.  Are there
> different units for different cars?  I was thinking about swapping in one
> for the HD spring …
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jon
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Strange Brake Wear Indicator - 94 S420

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yes.

There is the red “BRAKE” indicator that will light when the parking brake is 
applied or the reservoir is low.  Then there is a the (: :) yellow light that 
comes on when the wear indicator(s) ground out.

The yellow light is coming on (as is the red one as expected) when he applies 
the parking brake.

That’s what’s strange about it.  The yellow light has nothing to do with the 
parking brake.

Dan

> On Sep 20, 2015, at 5:33 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Are you sure about the meaning of the light?  All my star cars have a brake 
> light that illuminates when the parking brake is engaged.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Max's work list today

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Craig, your question highlights another uncertainty in my method. I haven't 
found anywhere in the MB literature that there is a specification for the OM603 
for the start-of-delivery method. I'm making an assumption that the same spec 
from the OM617 is applicable
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'95 E300

On September 20, 2015 5:39:40 PM EDT, Max Dillon  wrote:
>Nothing about drip timing.  Manual says to either use the A-B light to
>static tune, or there is a dynamic tune tool that uses the same port on
>the IP as the A-B light and I think also a pick-up sensor for input
>from the pin on the harmonic balancer disk.
>
>Last of the OM617 engines had the same port on the IP, and offered both
>drip timing or use of the aforementioned special tools.
>-- 
>Max Dillon
>Charleston SC
>'87 300TD
>'95 E300
>
>On September 20, 2015 10:21:30 AM EDT, Craig via Mercedes
> wrote:
>>What does the shop manual say to do?
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: 2015 ChowdahQ Eight fast approaching

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well I'm in.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2015, at 3:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I have offered several times to have a WinterQ in Florida in the winter 
> months.  No one seem to express an interest, but if anyone is, I’ll be more 
> than happy to host.
> 
> I have a very nice private park that would easily accommodate a good sized 
> group of people and cars at my disposal. (It helps when you’re the president 
> of the homeowner’s association!)
> 
> We’re a short distance from Tampa, and around an hour from Orlando if you’re 
> looking to hang out with the Mouse.
> 
> Lemme know.  The spousal unit would go berserk, as she loves to cook for 
> large groups.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 8:38 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Curly wrote:
>>> That sounds like fun.  I might join in for the lake michigan part of that,
>>> and maybe even the Q.
>> 
>> Randy said he needs to stop in OH on the way home.  This will probably
>> be several vehicles so it will work if some want to meander home,
>> others rush.  I like meander.  Add another name to the Rick list -
>> Tommy who used to manage an MB museum in St Louis but is now married
>> with children.
>> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Max's work list today

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

The bubble method works exactly the same way (as drip) except air (being
much less viscous than DF2) can leak past the plunger if the pressure is too
high making it hard to see when the plunger closes off the fill hole in the
cylinder.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Max Dillon via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 5:50 PM
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> Cc: Max Dillon 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Max's work list today
> 
> Curly, I had to read that a couple times before I understood how it would
> work.  I think I've got it; while the IP plunger is rising but the chamber
opening
> is still exposed, delivery hasn't started and the fuel flows out instead
of up.
> Once the chamber opening is covered, further movement of the plunger
> pushes the fuel up into the dv.
> 
> As I see it, the trick for using a start-of-delivery method is
"pressurizing" the IP
> circuit without a priming pump.  A gravity-fed reservoir would do it.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
> On September 20, 2015 11:31:24 AM EDT, Curly McLain via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >I developed my own method for timing om621/616/617.  It does NOT
> >involve removing the pin on the DV.  I take a straw and blow the fuel
> >out of the flared part of the connector on the IP (DV holder) for the
> >#1 cyl.  turn the engine very slowly when you are coming up to the
> >timing mark.   When the fuel just begins to rise, the delivery is
> >starting.  I set the time 1 to 2 degrees in advance of the book spec to
> >allow for the fact that delivery actually started, and that the DV
> >spring had to be overcome.  It has always worked on the cast iron head
> >engines.
> >
> >I don't like disturbing the DV just to do timing.  It increases the
> >possibility of introducing contaminants (grit etc) into the IP.
> >Plus I never had extra seals and orings around to reseal the DV.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Max's work list today

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Bubble method uses air, not fuel, and priming pump is not used.  I think maybe 
my IP is worn and allows air to pass regardless of plunger position?  I wonder 
if a priming pump could be retrofitted?

Car started more easily this a.m., far less smoke.  I'm eager to see if fuel 
consumption has decreased.
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 20, 2015 11:45:18 AM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>That's right the drip/bubble method only works on 617 and older because
>you have to have the hand pump. For 60x you need the 2 light tester
>deal which is what I use.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Max's work list today

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Curly, I had to read that a couple times before I understood how it would work. 
 I think I've got it; while the IP plunger is rising but the chamber opening is 
still exposed, delivery hasn't started and the fuel flows out instead of up.  
Once the chamber opening is covered, further movement of the plunger pushes the 
fuel up into the dv.  

As I see it, the trick for using a start-of-delivery method is "pressurizing" 
the IP circuit without a priming pump.  A gravity-fed reservoir would do it.
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 20, 2015 11:31:24 AM EDT, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I developed my own method for timing om621/616/617.  It does NOT 
>involve removing the pin on the DV.  I take a straw and blow the fuel 
>out of the flared part of the connector on the IP (DV holder) for the 
>#1 cyl.  turn the engine very slowly when you are coming up to the 
>timing mark.   When the fuel just begins to rise, the delivery is 
>starting.  I set the time 1 to 2 degrees in advance of the book spec 
>to allow for the fact that delivery actually started, and that the DV 
>spring had to be overcome.  It has always worked on the cast iron 
>head engines.
>
>I don't like disturbing the DV just to do timing.  It increases the 
>possibility of introducing contaminants (grit etc) into the IP. 
>Plus I never had extra seals and orings around to reseal the DV.
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] Max's work list today

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Nothing about drip timing.  Manual says to either use the A-B light to static 
tune, or there is a dynamic tune tool that uses the same port on the IP as the 
A-B light and I think also a pick-up sensor for input from the pin on the 
harmonic balancer disk.

Last of the OM617 engines had the same port on the IP, and offered both drip 
timing or use of the aforementioned special tools.
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'95 E300

On September 20, 2015 10:21:30 AM EDT, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>What does the shop manual say to do?
>


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Re: [MBZ] Strange Brake Wear Indicator - 94 S420

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Are you sure about the meaning of the light?  All my star cars have a brake 
light that illuminates when the parking brake is engaged.
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[MBZ] Strange Brake Wear Indicator - 94 S420

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Youngest son tells me when I got home today that his brake wear indicator is 
coming on - but only when he puts the parking brake on?

We checked the pads on both front and back and they’ve got maybe 25% left, so I 
wouldn’t expect to see a wear indicator light.  Either way, I’m not sure why it 
would come on when he puts the parking brake on - it has nothing to do with the 
wear indicators, nor does anything in the owner’s manual contradict that line 
of thought.

Only thing I can think of is the wire is out of place for some reason, but even 
that wouldn’t typically have any effect on the parking brake.

Ideas?

I’m not going to have time to pull a wheel until tomorrow night.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: 2015 ChowdahQ Eight fast approaching

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

While conch come from farther south, we could certainly do a “ConchQ”.

Dan


> On Sep 20, 2015, at 4:26 PM, Jon Agne  wrote:
> 
> Conch Chowder….
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Fw: 2015 ChowdahQ Eight fast approaching

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That’s always an option.  I think either Dwight or Fred said something about a 
relative in Lakeland they visit in March.

The weather doesn’t get really unpleasant (consistently) until about mid April, 
so we could easily do it then.

There are some Benzworld folks in the area who would probably be interested as 
well.  I’ll check with them.

For those who are into airplanes, the EAA “Sun and Fun” event is in Lakeland 
every year and is usually in March or April.  Supposedly the second largest EAA 
gathering after Oshkosh.

Dan




> On Sep 20, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Hmmm. I only come to Florida for Amelia Island concours so maybe if it's in 
> the spring. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have offered several times to have a WinterQ in Florida in the winter 
>> months.  No one seem to express an interest, but if anyone is, I’ll be more 
>> than happy to host.
>> 
>> I have a very nice private park that would easily accommodate a good sized 
>> group of people and cars at my disposal. (It helps when you’re the president 
>> of the homeowner’s association!)
>> 
>> We’re a short distance from Tampa, and around an hour from Orlando if you’re 
>> looking to hang out with the Mouse.
>> 
>> Lemme know.  The spousal unit would go berserk, as she loves to cook for 
>> large groups.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 8:38 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Curly wrote:
 That sounds like fun.  I might join in for the lake michigan part of that,
 and maybe even the Q.
>>> 
>>> Randy said he needs to stop in OH on the way home.  This will probably
>>> be several vehicles so it will work if some want to meander home,
>>> others rush.  I like meander.  Add another name to the Rick list -
>>> Tommy who used to manage an MB museum in St Louis but is now married
>>> with children.
>>> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: 2015 ChowdahQ Eight fast approaching

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Hmmm. I only come to Florida for Amelia Island concours so maybe if it's in the 
spring. 

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> On Sep 20, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I have offered several times to have a WinterQ in Florida in the winter 
> months.  No one seem to express an interest, but if anyone is, I’ll be more 
> than happy to host.
> 
> I have a very nice private park that would easily accommodate a good sized 
> group of people and cars at my disposal. (It helps when you’re the president 
> of the homeowner’s association!)
> 
> We’re a short distance from Tampa, and around an hour from Orlando if you’re 
> looking to hang out with the Mouse.
> 
> Lemme know.  The spousal unit would go berserk, as she loves to cook for 
> large groups.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 8:38 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Curly wrote:
>>> That sounds like fun.  I might join in for the lake michigan part of that,
>>> and maybe even the Q.
>> 
>> Randy said he needs to stop in OH on the way home.  This will probably
>> be several vehicles so it will work if some want to meander home,
>> others rush.  I like meander.  Add another name to the Rick list -
>> Tommy who used to manage an MB museum in St Louis but is now married
>> with children.
>> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: 2015 ChowdahQ Eight fast approaching

[Jon Agne via Mercedes]

Conch Chowder….


> On Sep 20, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I have offered several times to have a WinterQ in Florida in the winter 
> months.  No one seem to express an interest, but if anyone is, I’ll be more 
> than happy to host.
> 
> I have a very nice private park that would easily accommodate a good sized 
> group of people and cars at my disposal. (It helps when you’re the president 
> of the homeowner’s association!)
> 
> We’re a short distance from Tampa, and around an hour from Orlando if you’re 
> looking to hang out with the Mouse.
> 
> Lemme know.  The spousal unit would go berserk, as she loves to cook for 
> large groups.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 8:38 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Curly wrote:
>>> That sounds like fun.  I might join in for the lake michigan part of that,
>>> and maybe even the Q.
>> 
>> Randy said he needs to stop in OH on the way home.  This will probably
>> be several vehicles so it will work if some want to meander home,
>> others rush.  I like meander.  Add another name to the Rick list -
>> Tommy who used to manage an MB museum in St Louis but is now married
>> with children.
>> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: 2015 ChowdahQ Eight fast approaching

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I have offered several times to have a WinterQ in Florida in the winter months. 
 No one seem to express an interest, but if anyone is, I’ll be more than happy 
to host.

I have a very nice private park that would easily accommodate a good sized 
group of people and cars at my disposal. (It helps when you’re the president of 
the homeowner’s association!)

We’re a short distance from Tampa, and around an hour from Orlando if you’re 
looking to hang out with the Mouse.

Lemme know.  The spousal unit would go berserk, as she loves to cook for large 
groups.

Dan

 
> On Sep 19, 2015, at 8:38 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Curly wrote:
>> That sounds like fun.  I might join in for the lake michigan part of that,
>> and maybe even the Q.
> 
> Randy said he needs to stop in OH on the way home.  This will probably
> be several vehicles so it will work if some want to meander home,
> others rush.  I like meander.  Add another name to the Rick list -
> Tommy who used to manage an MB museum in St Louis but is now married
> with children.
> mao
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[MBZ] W108 Hydro-pneumatic Compensating Spring

[Jon Agne via Mercedes]

Jaime,

How much is a good one worth in the used market.  Guy says he can push/pull on 
it as hard as he can and it will hardly move.  Are there different units for 
different cars?  I was thinking about swapping in one for the HD spring …

Thanks,

Jon



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Re: [MBZ] Another use for the tractor

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Having a tractor is cool!  Looks like you may have needed that box blade for
counter-weight.  In case you haven't experienced it, you don't want to lift
your rear wheels off the ground because you lose all control: if there is
any lateral slope or imbalance, the front axle will pivot on the trunnions
and there is a real risk of flipping the tractor on its side.  Flipping is
quite dangerous for the operator and the motor and you may need another
tractor (or crane) to get it upright again.

> -Original Message-
> From:  Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 9:23 PM
> 
> To move the huge 12' work bench that zippy built for me.
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Re: [MBZ] Max's work list today

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

That's right the drip/bubble method only works on 617 and older because you 
have to have the hand pump. For 60x you need the 2 light tester deal which is 
what I use.

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> On Sep 20, 2015, at 10:31 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The drip method is described in the OM621 manual, and I think it may be in 
> the 616/617 manuals.  I used the primer pump to provide pressure.  It is done 
> with Diesel fuel.  I have never used air for timing the Ip.  On the OM603, I 
> have only used the static timing lock.
> 
> The theory of the drip method is that when the plunger is not in delivery 
> mode, the fuel flows freely out the drip tube. At the start of delivery, the 
> plunger blocks the chamber and the free flow stops. At that point, you read 
> the position on the crank pointer.
> 
> I developed my own method for timing om621/616/617.  It does NOT involve 
> removing the pin on the DV.  I take a straw and blow the fuel out of the 
> flared part of the connector on the IP (DV holder) for the #1 cyl.  turn the 
> engine very slowly when you are coming up to the timing mark.   When the fuel 
> just begins to rise, the delivery is starting.  I set the time 1 to 2 degrees 
> in advance of the book spec to allow for the fact that delivery actually 
> started, and that the DV spring had to be overcome.  It has always worked on 
> the cast iron head engines.
> 
> I don't like disturbing the DV just to do timing.  It increases the 
> possibility of introducing contaminants (grit etc) into the IP. Plus I never 
> had extra seals and orings around to reseal the DV.
> 
> 
>> My approach may have been flawed, I was using my air compressor with the 
>> regulator turned down really low, maybe I should have used lung power?
>> 
>> Maybe air is the wrong working medium, and one should use diesel fuel 
>> instead?
>> --
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Max's work list today

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

The drip method is described in the OM621 manual, and I think it may 
be in the 616/617 manuals.  I used the primer pump to provide 
pressure.  It is done with Diesel fuel.  I have never used air for 
timing the Ip.  On the OM603, I have only used the static timing lock.


The theory of the drip method is that when the plunger is not in 
delivery mode, the fuel flows freely out the drip tube. At the start 
of delivery, the plunger blocks the chamber and the free flow stops. 
At that point, you read the position on the crank pointer.


I developed my own method for timing om621/616/617.  It does NOT 
involve removing the pin on the DV.  I take a straw and blow the fuel 
out of the flared part of the connector on the IP (DV holder) for the 
#1 cyl.  turn the engine very slowly when you are coming up to the 
timing mark.   When the fuel just begins to rise, the delivery is 
starting.  I set the time 1 to 2 degrees in advance of the book spec 
to allow for the fact that delivery actually started, and that the DV 
spring had to be overcome.  It has always worked on the cast iron 
head engines.


I don't like disturbing the DV just to do timing.  It increases the 
possibility of introducing contaminants (grit etc) into the IP. 
Plus I never had extra seals and orings around to reseal the DV.



My approach may have been flawed, I was using my air compressor with 
the regulator turned down really low, maybe I should have used lung 
power?


Maybe air is the wrong working medium, and one should use diesel fuel instead?
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'87 300TD
'95 E300


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Re: [MBZ] Max's work list today

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 09:47:35 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> My approach may have been flawed, I was using my air compressor with
> the regulator turned down really low, maybe I should have used lung
> power?
> 
> Maybe air is the wrong working medium, and one should use diesel fuel
> instead?

What does the shop manual say to do?


Craig

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[MBZ] Another use for the tractor

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

To move the huge 12' work bench that zippy built for me.

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Re: [MBZ] Max's work list today

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

My approach may have been flawed, I was using my air compressor with the 
regulator turned down really low, maybe I should have used lung power?

Maybe air is the wrong working medium, and one should use diesel fuel instead?
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'95 E300

On September 20, 2015 9:15:33 AM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>For some reason I am thinking the bubble method does not work on the
>603.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 7:54 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm, bubble method didn't work so well. The stream of bubbles never
>came to a complete stop, but there was a distinct reduction.  Initially
>that drop-off was at about 19° BTDC.  Ah hah!  The IP timing was too
>retarded, if the start of delivery is supposed to be 24° BTDC for an
>OM603, same as the OM617.
>> 
>> I checked with the locking tool method to validate, and found that to
>be over 16° ATDC.  FSM says it should be 15° ATDC, +/- 1°.  
>> 
>> I didn't want to set the timing using the bubble method due to the
>lack of a clear cut-off in the bubble stream and the disparity versus
>the locking tool method, so I set the IP to ~21° BTDC (start of
>delivery) by bubble method, which was about 13.5° ATDC by locking tool.
>> 
>> Rebuilt all the delivery valves, Lubro Moly Diesel Purge treatment,
>put it all together and clean up, then test.
>> 
>> 0-60 time improved from 13s to 12.25s, and less smoke.
>> -- 
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>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] Max's work list today

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

For some reason I am thinking the bubble method does not work on the 603.

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> On Sep 19, 2015, at 7:54 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Hmm, bubble method didn't work so well. The stream of bubbles never came to a 
> complete stop, but there was a distinct reduction.  Initially that drop-off 
> was at about 19° BTDC.  Ah hah!  The IP timing was too retarded, if the start 
> of delivery is supposed to be 24° BTDC for an OM603, same as the OM617.
> 
> I checked with the locking tool method to validate, and found that to be over 
> 16° ATDC.  FSM says it should be 15° ATDC, +/- 1°.  
> 
> I didn't want to set the timing using the bubble method due to the lack of a 
> clear cut-off in the bubble stream and the disparity versus the locking tool 
> method, so I set the IP to ~21° BTDC (start of delivery) by bubble method, 
> which was about 13.5° ATDC by locking tool.
> 
> Rebuilt all the delivery valves, Lubro Moly Diesel Purge treatment, put it 
> all together and clean up, then test.
> 
> 0-60 time improved from 13s to 12.25s, and less smoke.
> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] 2015 ChowdahQ Eight

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

So where are the pictures?!

On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 9:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The ChowdahQ was great fun, and we really enjoyed the time we spent with
> everyone.  It's always great to get to put names to faces, and for that
> matter, cars to names, too.
>
> Special thanks to Dwight, Curt, Angie, Buster, and all the others who
> helped out to make an especially tasty event!
>
> I have been advised by the Social Secretary that we must block out time to
> attend next year's Q as soon as the date is set, so Dwight, let me know
> when you make the reservation.
>
> Dan
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