Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Agreed. It's fine for a lantern but too small for car panels.

Curt

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  On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 1:08 AM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:   Clear bothers me.  I am not happy with how rattle can spews forth in a 
clear.  The pattern is too small for the sort of coverage I would expect.  I 
tried doing PC case painting a number of years ago.  The base was pretty 
simple, but getting a clear coat that behaved out of a can was near impossible.



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> On Sep 17, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I figured that would be the advice of a professional paint person, but I’m 
> sure there are ways to “get around” this.  I’m doing some googling to see if 
> there are short cuts.
> 
> II realize it’s only delaying the inevitable, but I figure it’s worth looking 
> into if possible.  Heck, maybe Clay could come down and rattle can some clear 
> on it…
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 7:43 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> 
>> When my 240D had that problem I was told I'd have to strip all the clear and 
>> recoat, that it'd just keep peeling otherwise.
>> 
>> 
>> Curt
>> 
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>> On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> I am going to look at a W126 tomorrow that has clear coat peeling on the 
>> roof.  The rest of the car might be OK, so I’m trying to get a feel for what 
>> I might be getting into should I want to buy it.
>> 
>> As an interim approach, can the edges of the clear coat be feathered and 
>> just polished or buffed out so it blends into the surface?
>> 
>> I assume that clear coat could be reapplied to seal the area back up again?
>> 
>> Any paint enabled folks here who want to comment or make recommendations 
>> would be appreciated.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Wrecked 124

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I think it's less here.The state recently sold off an old trail groomer, got 
$40 for it which was the scrap price on a big heavy machine...

Curt

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wrote:   Current scrap price here for steel is $50 per ton... Hardly worth the 
trip
to the crusher... recently.. we've had a number of scrap yards go
bankrupt...

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wrote:

> local PNW pricing is under $100 for a rolling example in pretty complete
> condition.  When I got Gump crushed, the price was $300 for a complete car.
>
> clay
>
>
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> > On Sep 17, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yep, that's the last stage. If you are taking it to the crusher car
> bodies are at an all time low right now. If you have room I would store it
> until the price goes back up
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> >> On Sep 17, 2016, at 7:36 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Last stage of the disassembly will be rolling the body into Rich's
> trailer, then removing the wheels and probably the rear subframe.
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> >> Charleston SC
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> >>> cracked or bent?  I'm worried that it may be unsafe for continued use.
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Re: [MBZ] Curing paint on small painted objects

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Friend had a model A and a 1920s limousine he restored using lacquer. Each coat 
of lacquer dried very quickly, and then he would rub it out and spray on 
another coat. IIRC he said the Model A had 17 coats of lacquer. It was the 
deepest and most beautiful finish I've ever seen on a car. He won numerous 
prizes at auto shows for both cars. Lacquer doesn't hold up as well as newer 
finishes, but might hold up as well as rattle can finishes.
Last time I looked lacquer was available in rattle cans. If not:

http://www.hirschauto.com/Nitrocellulose-Lacquer/products/11/

Note the warning about spraying urethane finishes in the following article:

" Compared to the old lacquers and enamels, urethanes are much too shiny-almost 
plastic in appearance due to the clearcoat-and don't have the same depth of 
finish that a lacquer finish has. They are also very dangerous for the average 
home hobbyist to use because they contain isocyanides; unless a paint mask with 
a fresh-air feed is used, the isocyanides-contained overspray will harden in 
your lungs and kill you."

http://www.hemmings.com/magazine/hmn/2005/07/Restoring-Radiance/1281382.html

Instructions on lacquer finish for cars:
https://www.bing.com/search?q=how+to+hand+finish+a+car+with+lacquer&pc=MOZI&form=MOZSBR

I have a pipe frame canopy which came with a black plastic top (HF has them; 
not sure about color.) If you covered the whole frame with black plastic, the 
temps in the summer sun would probably reach well over 100F just like they do 
in a closed car. 


clay wrote:
> I would love to build a hot house and drive the dang car in it to bake.  I am 
> pretty sure one day would do the trick if it got over 70.
> clay
> 
> > On Sep 16, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > I recently painted a steel rod for a project I'm working on with several
> > coats of black rattle-can spray paing over 3 or 4 days. A few days later,
> > I found the paint hadn't really hardened, so I thought of heating the
> > piece up with a hair dryer/heat gun. That didn't work too well and I was
> > concerned about getting the paint too hot in the spot in front of the
> > heat gun.
> > 
> > I solved the problem by putting the piece on the dark blue dashboard of
> > our '82 240D/3.0 with the front window facing south. That worked like a
> > champ. It heated up the rod uniformly until it was almost too hot to hang
> > onto. The paint is good and hard now.
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

In the case of cars in hot places, do people get them repainted with a 
solid color after a couple years, or just drive around with the clear 
peeling?   Probably, it depends.  The old pickup does not get painted.  
But does the 2 yr old car used for business?


My only experience was with Livingston, CA and people there seemed to 
repaint the cars and trucks in a solid white.  But that was maybe 15 
years ago when clear was not as prevalent.  Made sense to me, it you 
were going to live in a hot place...



G Mann via Mercedes 
September 18, 2016 at 12:27 AM
Clear coat paint is a programmed failure. Mechanically, sunlight passes
through the clear coat, is reflected by the base coat, which is smooth and
reflective under the clear coat.. when the UV light is refracted back to
the surface of the clear coat, it is reflected back to the base coat,
because the surface of the clear coat "on the surface" is cloudy and 
the UV

light can't get out.. so it bounces back and forth, all the while
microscopically super heating the clear coating, which caused it to
separate from the base coat and fail...

Bad system design... Looks nice for a couple years.. then fails
progressively faster... By it's nature.. it "bonds" to the base coat.. so
can't be stripped as an individual coating...

In Arizona.. where clear coat failure only takes one year instead of two,
because the sun shines 353 days of the year..

Grant...

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clay via Mercedes 
September 18, 2016 at 12:05 AM
Gump had a massive case of clear coat Leprosy. I used a razor to cut 
away the really bad patches. I also did the sanding of edges to try to 
feather it in an attempt to get it to stop spreading. The stuff was 
resistant to my ministrations. I suspect there was a respray at one 
time and the coat was destined to fail. My suspicion would be that 
complete removal by sanding would give you a much better surface to 
begin with. Polei has a few spots of entrenched clear ( really small 
less than a folded dollar) that I sanded down the edges if I could not 
completely obliterate. I used 80 grit as a first phase, then went 
100/150 then 220/320 before I did a 400/600 sanding, which ended with 
800/1000 so that there were no hard edges or the stuff was gone.


clay





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Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
September 17, 2016 at 6:39 PM
I am going to look at a W126 tomorrow that has clear coat peeling on 
the roof. The rest of the car might be OK, so I’m trying to get a feel 
for what I might be getting into should I want to buy it.


As an interim approach, can the edges of the clear coat be feathered 
and just polished or buffed out so it blends into the surface?


I assume that clear coat could be reapplied to seal the area back up 
again?


Any paint enabled folks here who want to comment or make 
recommendations would be appreciated.


Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Wrecked 124

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Intent is to "leave no trace" at the "vast estate" so that there will be future 
opportunity for more "fun"...


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On September 18, 2016 6:33:58 AM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I think it's less here.The state recently sold off an old trail
>groomer, got $40 for it which was the scrap price on a big heavy
>machine...
>
>Curt
>
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>On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 1:35 AM, G Mann via
>Mercedes wrote:   Current scrap price here for
>steel is $50 per ton... Hardly worth the trip
>to the crusher... recently.. we've had a number of scrap yards
>go
>bankrupt...
>
>On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 10:10 PM, clay via Mercedes
>
>wrote:
>
>> local PNW pricing is under $100 for a rolling example in pretty
>complete
>> condition.  When I got Gump crushed, the price was $300 for a
>complete car.
>>
>> clay
>>
>>
>

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Re: [MBZ] Curing paint on small painted objects

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The old chevy pickups made in the 40s had something like 20 coats of 
built up lacquer.  The paint was beautiful on an original truck.   I 
don't remember the paint on the 50 chevy car being that nice ever.  But 
into the 70s and even 80s, you could find an original pickup with 
original paint once in a while.



archer75--- via Mercedes 
September 18, 2016 at 6:39 AM
Friend had a model A and a 1920s limousine he restored using lacquer. 
Each coat of lacquer dried very quickly, and then he would rub it out 
and spray on another coat. IIRC he said the Model A had 17 coats of 
lacquer. It was the deepest and most beautiful finish I've ever seen 
on a car. He won numerous prizes at auto shows for both cars. Lacquer 
doesn't hold up as well as newer finishes, but might hold up as well 
as rattle can finishes.

Last time I looked lacquer was available in rattle cans. If not:

http://www.hirschauto.com/Nitrocellulose-Lacquer/products/11/

Note the warning about spraying urethane finishes in the following 
article:


" Compared to the old lacquers and enamels, urethanes are much too 
shiny-almost plastic in appearance due to the clearcoat-and don't have 
the same depth of finish that a lacquer finish has. They are also very 
dangerous for the average home hobbyist to use because they contain 
isocyanides; unless a paint mask with a fresh-air feed is used, the 
isocyanides-contained overspray will harden in your lungs and kill you."


http://www.hemmings.com/magazine/hmn/2005/07/Restoring-Radiance/1281382.html

Instructions on lacquer finish for cars:
https://www.bing.com/search?q=how+to+hand+finish+a+car+with+lacquer&pc=MOZI&form=MOZSBR

I have a pipe frame canopy which came with a black plastic top (HF has 
them; not sure about color.) If you covered the whole frame with black 
plastic, the temps in the summer sun would probably reach well over 
100F just like they do in a closed car.





clay via Mercedes 
September 17, 2016 at 11:51 PM
I would love to build a hot house and drive the dang car in it to 
bake. I am pretty sure one day would do the trick if it got over 70.


clay




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Re: [MBZ] Curing paint on small painted objects

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Thats what a lot of the Coleman guys do. Some keep a special toaster oven just 
for the job.

Curt

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Mercedes wrote:   When I restored this Corgi 
Monkeemobile, I baked the rattlecan resprayed
diecast body in a toaster oven at 250° for an hour.  Worked great!

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[MBZ] ?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

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Re: [MBZ] ?

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Nope . . .

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Re: [MBZ] ?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep

W

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Nope . . .

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who

learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
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2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] ?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

So I was traveling from DCA to CHS this morning, we get on the plane, 
everyone is ready to go, the young lady pilot steps out to the 
microphone at the front to tell us they have to turn the plane off, wait 
5 minutes, then back on to reboot it.  Aside from how bizarre this is, I 
tell my daughter this will not end well, in about 15min they will 
determine that plane isn't going anywhere, and finding another plane is 
going to be problematic.


Shonuff after turning the airplane off, then waiting, then turning it 
back on and fooling around with it again, she comes back out and tells 
us the airplane is broken and is not going anywhere, they are going to 
have to try find another airplane. This is going to take about an hour.  
We can sit there or go into the terminal if we want.  No one gets up.  
So then a few minutes later she comes back and tells us we have to get 
off, so we do that.


Then a little while later they change the gate to another one across the 
way, there is another plane there I guess they stole from some other 
flight.  We finally load up that one, it is kinda weird as it is all the 
same people in all the same places, same crew, like a Twilight Zone 
thing.  It got off OK, we were about 1.5hr late arriving in CHS.


We rented something called a Lincoln MKZ or MKT or something, it was 
like a big wagon but said "Town Car" on it.  Somehow I do not see the 
guidos driving that around Boston with the "A Touch of Class" plate on 
the front.  Nice enough vehicle but the controls were extremely 
strange.  The fan control was a metal bar detail that had LED lights 
behind, you swiped on the bar to make it go up or down.  I only figured 
that out trying to push everything on the dash to get the AC working 
better and inadvertently swiped on it. You could also do it from the 
touch scree, which required something close to a hammer blow to get to 
respond.  I never did figure out how to get the electric hatch to close 
itself except with the fob.  There was a touch button under the bumper 
to open it (a stupid location) but nothing to push to close it.


--FT


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Yep

W

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Nope . . .

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Re: [MBZ] ?

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I would never fly to / from DCA and CHS, that was your first mistake
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On September 18, 2016 3:50:54 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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>So I was traveling from DCA to CHS this morning, we get on the plane

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Re: [MBZ] ?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Correctomundo.  One time I tried it and it took 2 days, got stranded 
overnight in CLT as I had missed my CHS flight, so tried to go from DCA 
to CLT to CHS but my bag made it on the plane I didn't make it on from 
CLT to CHS.  Go figure.


--FT


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I would never fly to / from DCA and CHS, that was your first mistake


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Re: [MBZ] ?

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

What kind of aircraft was it? Not Boeing I hope!

Greg

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Thursby via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 12:51 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Floyd Thursby
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ?

So I was traveling from DCA to CHS this morning, we get on the plane, 
everyone is ready to go, the young lady pilot steps out to the 
microphone at the front to tell us they have to turn the plane off, wait 
5 minutes, then back on to reboot it.  Aside from how bizarre this is, I 
tell my daughter this will not end well, in about 15min they will 
determine that plane isn't going anywhere, and finding another plane is 
going to be problematic.

Shonuff after turning the airplane off, then waiting, then turning it 
back on and fooling around with it again, she comes back out and tells 
us the airplane is broken and is not going anywhere, they are going to 
have to try find another airplane. This is going to take about an hour.  
We can sit there or go into the terminal if we want.  No one gets up.  
So then a few minutes later she comes back and tells us we have to get 
off, so we do that.

Then a little while later they change the gate to another one across the 
way, there is another plane there I guess they stole from some other 
flight.  We finally load up that one, it is kinda weird as it is all the 
same people in all the same places, same crew, like a Twilight Zone 
thing.  It got off OK, we were about 1.5hr late arriving in CHS.

We rented something called a Lincoln MKZ or MKT or something, it was 
like a big wagon but said "Town Car" on it.  Somehow I do not see the 
guidos driving that around Boston with the "A Touch of Class" plate on 
the front.  Nice enough vehicle but the controls were extremely 
strange.  The fan control was a metal bar detail that had LED lights 
behind, you swiped on the bar to make it go up or down.  I only figured 
that out trying to push everything on the dash to get the AC working 
better and inadvertently swiped on it. You could also do it from the 
touch scree, which required something close to a hammer blow to get to 
respond.  I never did figure out how to get the electric hatch to close 
itself except with the fob.  There was a touch button under the bumper 
to open it (a stupid location) but nothing to push to close it.

--FT


On 9/18/16 2:01 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
> Yep
>
> W
>
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> 
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>> Nope . . .
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 11:44 AM, WILTON via Mercedes 
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>> many of
>> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>>
>> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The 
>> few who
>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
>> for themselves."
>>
>> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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[MBZ] OT: Question for the Martha S of laundry

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

We have a stacked Kenmore HE2 washer dryer.  Someone gifted us half a tub
of Kirkland powdered detergent - industrial strength but not HE rated.

http://harrisburgstore.com/kirkland-laundry-detergent-super-concentrate-powder-kirkland-laundry-soap/?gclid=CJ-RufmBms8CFYckhgodSacDfQ

My thinking is that I would be OK to use small measures of the Kirkland
because there is nothing intrinsically different about HE certified soap
other than its low sudsing characteristics.  Any thoughts?
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Re: [MBZ] ?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

One of those regional jets, Embraer maybe?  I really didn't even pay 
attention.


--FT


On 9/18/16 5:23 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:

What kind of aircraft was it? Not Boeing I hope!

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Floyd 
Thursby via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 12:51 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Floyd Thursby
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ?

So I was traveling from DCA to CHS this morning, we get on the plane,
everyone is ready to go, the young lady pilot steps out to the
microphone at the front to tell us they have to turn the plane off, wait
5 minutes, then back on to reboot it.  Aside from how bizarre this is, I
tell my daughter this will not end well, in about 15min they will
determine that plane isn't going anywhere, and finding another plane is
going to be problematic.

Shonuff after turning the airplane off, then waiting, then turning it
back on and fooling around with it again, she comes back out and tells
us the airplane is broken and is not going anywhere, they are going to
have to try find another airplane. This is going to take about an hour.
We can sit there or go into the terminal if we want.  No one gets up.
So then a few minutes later she comes back and tells us we have to get
off, so we do that.

Then a little while later they change the gate to another one across the
way, there is another plane there I guess they stole from some other
flight.  We finally load up that one, it is kinda weird as it is all the
same people in all the same places, same crew, like a Twilight Zone
thing.  It got off OK, we were about 1.5hr late arriving in CHS.

We rented something called a Lincoln MKZ or MKT or something, it was
like a big wagon but said "Town Car" on it.  Somehow I do not see the
guidos driving that around Boston with the "A Touch of Class" plate on
the front.  Nice enough vehicle but the controls were extremely
strange.  The fan control was a metal bar detail that had LED lights
behind, you swiped on the bar to make it go up or down.  I only figured
that out trying to push everything on the dash to get the AC working
better and inadvertently swiped on it. You could also do it from the
touch scree, which required something close to a hammer blow to get to
respond.  I never did figure out how to get the electric hatch to close
itself except with the fob.  There was a touch button under the bumper
to open it (a stupid location) but nothing to push to close it.

--FT


On 9/18/16 2:01 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:

Yep

W

- Original Message - From: "OK Don via Mercedes"

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "OK Don" 
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ?



Nope . . .

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 11:44 AM, WILTON via Mercedes

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our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The
few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Wrecked 124

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yeah, mama's patience is about 3 days if that, we're pushing it way past 
its expiration date.


I'm taking the hit for Max.

--FT


On 9/18/16 9:12 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Intent is to "leave no trace" at the "vast estate" so that there will be future 
opportunity for more "fun"...




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Re: [MBZ] ?

[Larry T via Mercedes]

Ahh.. I see a C182 in your sig lines. I had the pleasure once and recall it 
climbing "like a homesick Angel" as the saying goes. It would climb like crazy 
and fly fast and heavily loaded as well! Awesome airplane. The W123 of Cessna's 
IMO. 

LarryT 
91 300D 


- Original Message -

From: "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes"  
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: "Floyd Thursby"  
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 3:50:54 PM 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ? 

So I was traveling from DCA to CHS this morning, we get on the plane, 
everyone is ready to go, the young lady pilot steps out to the 
microphone at the front to tell us they have to turn the plane off, wait 
5 minutes, then back on to reboot it. Aside from how bizarre this is, I 
tell my daughter this will not end well, in about 15min they will 
determine that plane isn't going anywhere, and finding another plane is 
going to be problematic. 

Shonuff after turning the airplane off, then waiting, then turning it 
back on and fooling around with it again, she comes back out and tells 
us the airplane is broken and is not going anywhere, they are going to 
have to try find another airplane. This is going to take about an hour. 
We can sit there or go into the terminal if we want. No one gets up. 
So then a few minutes later she comes back and tells us we have to get 
off, so we do that. 

Then a little while later they change the gate to another one across the 
way, there is another plane there I guess they stole from some other 
flight. We finally load up that one, it is kinda weird as it is all the 
same people in all the same places, same crew, like a Twilight Zone 
thing. It got off OK, we were about 1.5hr late arriving in CHS. 

We rented something called a Lincoln MKZ or MKT or something, it was 
like a big wagon but said "Town Car" on it. Somehow I do not see the 
guidos driving that around Boston with the "A Touch of Class" plate on 
the front. Nice enough vehicle but the controls were extremely 
strange. The fan control was a metal bar detail that had LED lights 
behind, you swiped on the bar to make it go up or down. I only figured 
that out trying to push everything on the dash to get the AC working 
better and inadvertently swiped on it. You could also do it from the 
touch scree, which required something close to a hammer blow to get to 
respond. I never did figure out how to get the electric hatch to close 
itself except with the fob. There was a touch button under the bumper 
to open it (a stupid location) but nothing to push to close it. 

--FT 


On 9/18/16 2:01 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: 
> Yep 
> 
> W 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "OK Don via Mercedes" 
>  
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List"  
> Cc: "OK Don"  
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 1:37 PM 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ? 
> 
> 
>> Nope . . . 
>> 
>> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 11:44 AM, WILTON via Mercedes 
>> >> wrote: 
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>> -- 
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>> 
>> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and 
>> many of 
>> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain 
>> 
>> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The 
>> few who 
>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence 
>> for themselves." 
>> 
>> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 
>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg 
>> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 
>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! 
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Re: [MBZ] ?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

At least the old ones like mine - the newer ones have too much added
complexity - electric this and that, retracting gear, etc. I think of it
more as the '57 Chevy of aircraft - not up to Mercedes standards of
elegance. I do regularly see 1400 fpm climbs out of pattern, but stick with
500 - 700 to cruise altitude to keep the cylinder heads cool (pre- cowl
flaps model). I didn't think it was fast on this last trip (Traverse City,
MI - Boston - Utica NY - home) as we had head winds on EVERY leg. Ground
speeds were 120 - 125 most of the way.

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 6:52 PM, Larry T via Mercedes  wrote:

> Ahh.. I see a C182 in your sig lines. I had the pleasure once and recall
> it climbing "like a homesick Angel" as the saying goes. It would climb like
> crazy and fly fast and heavily loaded as well! Awesome airplane. The W123
> of Cessna's IMO.
>
> LarryT
> 91 300D
>
>
> --
>
OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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[MBZ] Q for Larry

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Larry,

do you have any info or insight on how the valvoline full synthretic 
compares to M1?   I am curious if the base stocks are similar, and if 
the performance is similar.  I think I will use the Valvoline in the 
Merkun engines, but after the bad experience with castrol so-called 
synthetic, I am not sure I want to try  it in an OM603.   My 616s get so 
few miles that I leave them  on Mobil Dino oil.


uhOh!  Nuther oel thread

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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I love oil threads. Larry can I still send an oil sample using that test
kit I got from you?

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI

On Sep 18, 2016 9:23 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Larry,
>
> do you have any info or insight on how the valvoline full synthretic
> compares to M1?   I am curious if the base stocks are similar, and if the
> performance is similar.  I think I will use the Valvoline in the Merkun
> engines, but after the bad experience with castrol so-called synthetic, I
> am not sure I want to try  it in an OM603.   My 616s get so few miles that
> I leave them  on Mobil Dino oil.
>
> uhOh!  Nuther oel thread
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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I would also be curious about comparing to Delo full synthetic which is what I 
have been using in the 606

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> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:23 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Larry,
> 
> do you have any info or insight on how the valvoline full synthretic compares 
> to M1?   I am curious if the base stocks are similar, and if the performance 
> is similar.  I think I will use the Valvoline in the Merkun engines, but 
> after the bad experience with castrol so-called synthetic, I am not sure I 
> want to try  it in an OM603.   My 616s get so few miles that I leave them  on 
> Mobil Dino oil.
> 
> uhOh!  Nuther oel thread
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Re: [MBZ] ?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

I like a C182, also.

Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Larry T via Mercedes" 

To: "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes" 
Cc: "Larry T" 
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ?


Ahh.. I see a C182 in your sig lines. I had the pleasure once and recall 
it climbing "like a homesick Angel" as the saying goes. It would climb 
like crazy and fly fast and heavily loaded as well! Awesome airplane. The 
W123 of Cessna's IMO.


LarryT
91 300D


- Original Message -

From: "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes" 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: "Floyd Thursby" 
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 3:50:54 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ?

So I was traveling from DCA to CHS this morning, we get on the plane,
everyone is ready to go, the young lady pilot steps out to the
microphone at the front to tell us they have to turn the plane off, wait
5 minutes, then back on to reboot it. Aside from how bizarre this is, I
tell my daughter this will not end well, in about 15min they will
determine that plane isn't going anywhere, and finding another plane is
going to be problematic.

Shonuff after turning the airplane off, then waiting, then turning it
back on and fooling around with it again, she comes back out and tells
us the airplane is broken and is not going anywhere, they are going to
have to try find another airplane. This is going to take about an hour.
We can sit there or go into the terminal if we want. No one gets up.
So then a few minutes later she comes back and tells us we have to get
off, so we do that.

Then a little while later they change the gate to another one across the
way, there is another plane there I guess they stole from some other
flight. We finally load up that one, it is kinda weird as it is all the
same people in all the same places, same crew, like a Twilight Zone
thing. It got off OK, we were about 1.5hr late arriving in CHS.

We rented something called a Lincoln MKZ or MKT or something, it was
like a big wagon but said "Town Car" on it. Somehow I do not see the
guidos driving that around Boston with the "A Touch of Class" plate on
the front. Nice enough vehicle but the controls were extremely
strange. The fan control was a metal bar detail that had LED lights
behind, you swiped on the bar to make it go up or down. I only figured
that out trying to push everything on the dash to get the AC working
better and inadvertently swiped on it. You could also do it from the
touch scree, which required something close to a hammer blow to get to
respond. I never did figure out how to get the electric hatch to close
itself except with the fob. There was a touch button under the bumper
to open it (a stupid location) but nothing to push to close it.

--FT


On 9/18/16 2:01 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:

Yep

W

- Original Message - From: "OK Don via Mercedes"

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "OK Don" 
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ?



Nope . . .

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 11:44 AM, WILTON via Mercedes

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"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The
few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] ?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

I usta enjoy puddle jumper trips occasionally to Traverse  City, too.

Wilt

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "OK Don" 
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ?



At least the old ones like mine - the newer ones have too much added
complexity - electric this and that, retracting gear, etc. I think of it
more as the '57 Chevy of aircraft - not up to Mercedes standards of
elegance. I do regularly see 1400 fpm climbs out of pattern, but stick 
with

500 - 700 to cruise altitude to keep the cylinder heads cool (pre- cowl
flaps model). I didn't think it was fast on this last trip (Traverse City,
MI - Boston - Utica NY - home) as we had head winds on EVERY leg. Ground
speeds were 120 - 125 most of the way.

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 6:52 PM, Larry T via Mercedes 

wrote:



Ahh.. I see a C182 in your sig lines. I had the pleasure once and recall
it climbing "like a homesick Angel" as the saying goes. It would climb 
like

crazy and fly fast and heavily loaded as well! Awesome airplane. The W123
of Cessna's IMO.

LarryT
91 300D


--


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*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few 
who

learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Wow, look what I just found from several years ago:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1305596

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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

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> On September 18, 2016 at 9:43 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I would also be curious about comparing to Delo full synthetic which is what I
> have been using in the 606
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:23 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Larry,
> > 
> > do you have any info or insight on how the valvoline full synthretic
> > compares to M1?   I am curious if the base stocks are similar, and if the
> > performance is similar.  I think I will use the Valvoline in the Merkun
> > engines, but after the bad experience with castrol so-called synthetic, I am
> > not sure I want to try  it in an OM603.   My 616s get so few miles that I
> > leave them  on Mobil Dino oil.
> > 
> > uhOh!  Nuther oel thread
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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Hmm, my beloved 0W40 got thinner and less TBN:

http://www.gtrlife.com/forums/topic/177466-new-formulation-mobil-1-fs-0w-40-oil-does-not-meet-gt-r-specifications/

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4028326/Mobil_1_M1_0W-40_%22FS%22#Post4028326

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3001485/1

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Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question

[clay via Mercedes]

Not sure about hot spaces, but in the wet PNW, if the dang paint failed in two 
years, the car was off to the dealer under warrantee.   I had a few neighbors 
who had the chrysler POS paint and ended up with new paint on the car.  The 
newer coating lasted more than a few years.

Though a black or dark car is pretty spiffy, in a warm environment, the lighter 
colors are more in vogue.  Or at least they were when I lived in warm 
environments.   A blue was more pastel, reds were .. well, red.  Light green, 
orange, white, silver, all colors that would not suck up calories, which might 
scorch a kid should it touch it.  AT that time, not too many cars were AC 
equipped, so interiors were light if not fabric.

clay


> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> In the case of cars in hot places, do people get them repainted with a solid 
> color after a couple years, or just drive around with the clear peeling?   
> Probably, it depends.  The old pickup does not get painted.  But does the 2 
> yr old car used for business?
> 
> My only experience was with Livingston, CA and people there seemed to repaint 
> the cars and trucks in a solid white.  But that was maybe 15 years ago when 
> clear was not as prevalent.  Made sense to me, it you were going to live in a 
> hot place...
> 
>> G Mann via Mercedes 
>> September 18, 2016 at 12:27 AM
>> Clear coat paint is a programmed failure. Mechanically, sunlight passes
>> through the clear coat, is reflected by the base coat, which is smooth and
>> reflective under the clear coat.. when the UV light is refracted back to
>> the surface of the clear coat, it is reflected back to the base coat,
>> because the surface of the clear coat "on the surface" is cloudy and the UV
>> light can't get out.. so it bounces back and forth, all the while
>> microscopically super heating the clear coating, which caused it to
>> separate from the base coat and fail...
>> 
>> Bad system design... Looks nice for a couple years.. then fails
>> progressively faster... By it's nature.. it "bonds" to the base coat.. so
>> can't be stripped as an individual coating...
>> 
>> In Arizona.. where clear coat failure only takes one year instead of two,
>> because the sun shines 353 days of the year..
>> 
>> Grant...
>> 
>> On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 10:05 PM, clay via Mercedes 
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>> clay via Mercedes 
>> September 18, 2016 at 12:05 AM
>> Gump had a massive case of clear coat Leprosy. I used a razor to cut away 
>> the really bad patches. I also did the sanding of edges to try to feather it 
>> in an attempt to get it to stop spreading. The stuff was resistant to my 
>> ministrations. I suspect there was a respray at one time and the coat was 
>> destined to fail. My suspicion would be that complete removal by sanding 
>> would give you a much better surface to begin with. Polei has a few spots of 
>> entrenched clear ( really small less than a folded dollar) that I sanded 
>> down the edges if I could not completely obliterate. I used 80 grit as a 
>> first phase, then went 100/150 then 220/320 before I did a 400/600 sanding, 
>> which ended with 800/1000 so that there were no hard edges or the stuff was 
>> gone.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
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>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> September 17, 2016 at 6:39 PM
>> I am going to look at a W126 tomorrow that has clear coat peeling on the 
>> roof. The rest of the car might be OK, so I’m trying to get a feel for what 
>> I might be getting into should I want to buy it.
>> 
>> As an interim approach, can the edges of the clear coat be feathered and 
>> just polished or buffed out so it blends into the surface?
>> 
>> I assume that clear coat could be reapplied to seal the area back up again?
>> 
>> Any paint enabled folks here who want to comment or make recommendations 
>> would be appreciated.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Curing paint on small painted objects

[clay via Mercedes]

Did you have to remove the plastic bits?

On Sep 17, 2016, at 3:11 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
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> When I restored this Corgi Monkeemobile, I baked the rattlecan resprayed
> diecast body in a toaster oven at 250° for an hour.  Worked great!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Question for the Martha S of laundry

[clay via Mercedes]

Go ahead.  the powder does not work all that perfectly, but a low dose will 
dissolve just fine and clean the clothing.  You could make a slurry of the 
powder, if that makes you feel better.   My stacked units have no issue with 
oxi type powders

clay



> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:11 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We have a stacked Kenmore HE2 washer dryer.  Someone gifted us half a tub
> of Kirkland powdered detergent - industrial strength but not HE rated.
> 
> http://harrisburgstore.com/kirkland-laundry-detergent-super-concentrate-powder-kirkland-laundry-soap/?gclid=CJ-RufmBms8CFYckhgodSacDfQ
> 
> My thinking is that I would be OK to use small measures of the Kirkland
> because there is nothing intrinsically different about HE certified soap
> other than its low sudsing characteristics.  Any thoughts?
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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

[clay via Mercedes]

I had the oil debate over Polei.  I figured that all the extra pennies for full 
synth would not be economical in the SDL, and standard diesel oil would be 
fine.  The 20-50 is like hen’s teeth now.  FLAPS guy said the call for 
something that thick is waning.  Used only in diesels.  My response was of the 
DUH! sort, as I was purchasing Diesel oil at the time and wanted to know if the 
20-40 was going to be good enough

clay


> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would also be curious about comparing to Delo full synthetic which is what 
> I have been using in the 606
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:23 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Larry,
>> 
>> do you have any info or insight on how the valvoline full synthretic 
>> compares to M1?   I am curious if the base stocks are similar, and if the 
>> performance is similar.  I think I will use the Valvoline in the Merkun 
>> engines, but after the bad experience with castrol so-called synthetic, I am 
>> not sure I want to try  it in an OM603.   My 616s get so few miles that I 
>> leave them  on Mobil Dino oil.
>> 
>> uhOh!  Nuther oel thread
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[MBZ] o'bungler's chickens coming home to roost

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

3 attacks on Sat, 2 in NYC and one in St Cloud, new somalia  (formerly 
known as Minnie sota).   As rev Wright said, "Your chickens are comin' 
home to roost" only this time it refers to his buddy bungler, who has 
been busy bringing in as many hajis as he can to wreak havoc on us all.


How y'all likin' that "hope and change?"

Where are all the call for registering and banning pressure cookers and 
knives?   We have to ban nails, new or used also.


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