Re: [MBZ] Photos

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

So the short of it is - YES.

I feel vindicated.

On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 11:17 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> I haven't been that thin in over 10 years.
> And I'm not that gray yet.
> But he's got a bowtie on.
> Mitch.
> > On November 4, 2017 at 11:10 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Are you pranking us by any chance?
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Re: [MBZ] Photos

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I haven't been that thin in over 10 years. 
And I'm not that gray yet. 
But he's got a bowtie on. 
Mitch.
> On November 4, 2017 at 11:10 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> 
> Are you pranking us by any chance?

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Re: [MBZ] Photos

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Are you pranking us by any chance?

On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Awesome combo.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Nov 4, 2017 7:45 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
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> > Bowtie pic.
> > Just trying to blend in with the natives on the west coast.
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Re: [MBZ] Former W126/350SDL

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

If a bus worked for me I'd strongly consider it.  I used to drive to the
local airshow/open-house, which was _maddening_ because it closes with a
climax and then they push everybody off the base quickly.  I later found
the shuttle bus stop, and switched to using that.  Not any faster, really,
but _I_ could look out the window, read, etc.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Former W126/350SDL

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

When I lived in Houston, a very car-centric town, mass transit was viewed in 
the same way as liberals were. But where I worked they offered a similar deal, 
and parking fees were waived, for a buss pass. I worked with a guy who had 
about an hour commute in awful traffic. He decided to try the express bus and 
absolutely loved it from the first day. Picked him up close to his home, 
dropped him off at the front door to our building, opposite in the afternoon. 
He got to work rested, no agita, read the paper and books etc. saved money and 
his mental health. All around a great deal. 

--R
Sent from iPhone

> On Nov 4, 2017, at 7:49 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I’ll drive it to work a couple days a week, I doubt I would go totally public 
> transportation. There are times I want to run errands at lunch or after work, 
> so I would drive on those days.  I would drive it on the weekends as well.
> 
> Just giving it some thought now that the scheduling idiots made some sense 
> out of the express routes and I discovered that the normally $80/month pass 
> only costs me $16.00/month.
> 
> The routes that previously served my neighborhood used to take over an hour 
> to get downtown each way.  That’s a 30 minute drive at the times I commute.  
> I would end up being on a bus for nearly three hours a day with their old 
> routes/stops. Now they’ve pared the route down to two stops, which means they 
> leave around 6:00 am and drop me downtown around 6:40.  I can now leave the 
> office around 3:40 and be back at the park & ride by 4:30.
> 
> I could do that.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2017, at 7:40 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> If you do a one mile commute, use a bicycle or take a long drive every 
>> weekend to get the car good and hot. 
>> 
>> 
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Hoodstacked 1991 Mercedes 300D

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > Hoodstacked 1991 Mercedes 300D
> > 
> > https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/6338281656.html

> Fred wrote:

> Why!?

Hmmm.  Maybe to keep the windshield wiper well lubricated?  Or at
least the windshield.  Just a touch of oil blow-by and the
windshield and roof get oiled - not the taillights.

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Re: [MBZ] OH MAN!! I need this for my cars

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> On November 4, 2017 at 10:05 PM clay monroe via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=16&v=4nXp3VaM1FY

Good one, but I prefer trunk monkeys. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdeIpLTjD3M

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[MBZ] OH MAN!! I need this for my cars

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=16&v=4nXp3VaM1FY


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1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

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1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] Hoodstacked 1991 Mercedes 300D

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Because he can. You are just jealous. You'd love a stack  coming out of one
of your w201 diezels.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Nov 4, 2017 8:19 PM, "Fred Moir via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Why!?
>
>
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
>
>
> 
> From: nore...@craigslist.org 
> Sent: 04 November 2017 19:42
> To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
> Subject: Hoodstacked 1991 Mercedes 300D
>
>
> fredy4.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist:
>
> 
> Hoodstacked 1991 Mercedes 300D
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> https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/6338281656.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT: would you pay $1900 for a MGB?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On November 4, 2017 at 8:04 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I advertised my 66 MGB on ebay recently but pulled it after several 
> days.  The bidding got to $3500.  I used some incorrect words when I 
> described it and it wasn't accurate and allowed some people to assume to 
> things that were not correct.

I take it you're suggesting a dented car with late 1970s bumpers is not a wise 
investment for $2k?

I only wanted it if it was below market and I could play with it for a while 
next spring then sell it for a profit. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Former W126/350SDL

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

True, but he didn’t overpay nearly as much as the nut job, either.

-D

> On Nov 4, 2017, at 7:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well at least you didn’t get a complete nut job like last time.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Hoodstacked 1991 Mercedes 300D

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> On November 4, 2017 at 8:19 PM Fred Moir via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Why!?

Free windshield tinting. 
And he gets to pretend he's an extra in a Mad Max movie. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 616 inj timing

[OK Don via Mercedes]

You are probably right, and my memory is way off . . .

On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 7:27 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> When done as per the book, the flow/drip stops when the injection stroke
> begins at the specified degrees BTDC.  Per the book, the delivery valve
> plunger is out for the drip tube method.  Thus fuel provided to the IP
> flows freely out of the drip tube when the #1 plunger is down.  As the
> plunger is raised by the IP camshaft, when the injection stroke begins, the
> fuel flow from the drip tube stops.   At least this if for the OM621.  I
> think the 616 drip tube method is the same.
>
> OK Don via Mercedes 
>> November 4, 2017 at 5:53 PM
>> However, with the drip tube method, you are watching for the drip to stop
>> -
>> not start, hence the ATDC timing.
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 616 inj timing

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

When done as per the book, the flow/drip stops when the injection stroke 
begins at the specified degrees BTDC.  Per the book, the delivery valve 
plunger is out for the drip tube method.  Thus fuel provided to the IP 
flows freely out of the drip tube when the #1 plunger is down.  As the 
plunger is raised by the IP camshaft, when the injection stroke begins, 
the fuel flow from the drip tube stops.   At least this if for the 
OM621.  I think the 616 drip tube method is the same.



OK Don via Mercedes 
November 4, 2017 at 5:53 PM
However, with the drip tube method, you are watching for the drip to 
stop -

not start, hence the ATDC timing.

On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <



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[MBZ] Hoodstacked 1991 Mercedes 300D

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Why!?


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: nore...@craigslist.org 
Sent: 04 November 2017 19:42
To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
Subject: Hoodstacked 1991 Mercedes 300D


fredy4.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist:


Hoodstacked 1991 Mercedes 300D

https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/6338281656.html

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[MBZ] William Shatner

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I am currently in the same building with William Shatner. He is doing a show at 
a local PAC. 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: would you pay $1900 for a MGB?

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

I advertised my 66 MGB on ebay recently but pulled it after several 
days.  The bidding got to $3500.  I used some incorrect words when I 
described it and it wasn't accurate and allowed some people to assume to 
things that were not correct.


If you're in the market I can send you the information?

LarryT


On 11/04/2017 8:37 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Looks like they rejected yesterday's high bid and put a buy it now on it.
I looked at it briefly the other day, there's a hole in the vinyl on the 
driver's seat bolster and it generally looks a bit tired, but it's rustfree, 
the paint's OK, and the top is good. I'm thinking 113k on the odometer given 
the wear on the seat. It looks like somebody's garage shelves fell across the 
hood and fenders, or maybe a 4x4 pole fell on it.
https://www.copart.com/lot/42465227

Should I buy it, stick it in the garage and fix the dents in the spring?
Immediately throw it on BAT as a project?
Get a wrecked four cylinder Camaro, Mustang or Miata and update the powertrain?
Stand aside and watch somebody else buy it?

I was looking up the specs on these things, 1800cc, 80hp, 2340lb. It looks so 
small, I can't believe it weighs 100lb less than a Saab 99 sedan, or 500lb more 
than a 1975 Civic hatchback. 19 seconds at 70mph in the 1/4 mile.

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Re: [MBZ] Photos

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Awesome combo.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Nov 4, 2017 7:45 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 
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> Bowtie pic.
> Just trying to blend in with the natives on the west coast.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Former W126/350SDL

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ll drive it to work a couple days a week, I doubt I would go totally public 
transportation. There are times I want to run errands at lunch or after work, 
so I would drive on those days.  I would drive it on the weekends as well.

Just giving it some thought now that the scheduling idiots made some sense out 
of the express routes and I discovered that the normally $80/month pass only 
costs me $16.00/month.

The routes that previously served my neighborhood used to take over an hour to 
get downtown each way.  That’s a 30 minute drive at the times I commute.  I 
would end up being on a bus for nearly three hours a day with their old 
routes/stops. Now they’ve pared the route down to two stops, which means they 
leave around 6:00 am and drop me downtown around 6:40.  I can now leave the 
office around 3:40 and be back at the park & ride by 4:30.

I could do that.

-D




> On Nov 4, 2017, at 7:40 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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> 
> 
> If you do a one mile commute, use a bicycle or take a long drive every 
> weekend to get the car good and hot. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Former W126/350SDL

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well at least you didn’t get a complete nut job like last time.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 4, 2017, at 6:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Finally heard from the new owner.  He sent me a picture of it in its new 
> “stable” - an outdoor area completely covered with trees.  Sad.  Those cowl 
> drains will be clogged in a week.
> 
> Said the drive up to Laurel, MD was uneventful and the car ran great, which I 
> would expect.
> 
> Eh, whatever.
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Photos

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Bowtie pic. 
Just trying to blend in with the natives on the west coast. 

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Re: [MBZ] 300CD

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Naughty pins that are full of gunk and a key that has lopsided wear?  I need to 
pull my tumbler out of Allen and take it to a locksmith to clean and rebuild


clay 

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1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

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1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers




> On Nov 4, 2017, at 3:32 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> OK, but the point still stands.  I've had keys that only work in one of
> their two possible insertion orientations.
> 
> — Jim 

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Re: [MBZ] Former W126/350SDL

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

If you do a one mile commute, use a bicycle or take a long drive every weekend 
to get the car good and hot. 


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Former W126/350SDL

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Nope.  The only state in the Union I’ve never set foot on, and I don’t care to. 
 This time of year I might consider going to SE Wisconsin for some brats, deer 
sausage and colorful trees.

You’ve got a new neighbor, Andrew.  Not sure how far you are from Laurel, but 
the car is there now.  Watch out for strangers in auto parts store parking lots 
offering you filters….

-D


> On Nov 4, 2017, at 7:33 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> When one flies the coop, Dan flies off to Hawaii.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Former W126/350SDL

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

None.  Down to the minimums.  Anything below what is currently in place would 
cause the transportation situation to go into criticality.

Our local public transit has finally gotten it’s act together and they are now 
running express busses downtown and back from my neighborhood that don’t take 
two hours to get home.  I’m seriously considering riding them on occasion, as I 
can get a monthly pass for $16.00 as a County employee.  I have to drive about 
a mile to the “park & ride”, but it wouldn’t add significantly to my current 
commute time and it would save a boatload on expenses, like gas and tolls. I 
pay $3.50/day in round trip tolls alone.  I’m getting about 23 mpg out of the 
W210 wagon, but if I factor in wear and tear I would be well ahead of the game.

They have wifi on the busses, too.  I like the idea of someone else driving.

Hmm.

-D
 
> On Nov 4, 2017, at 7:26 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Which will be the next one to fly the coop?
> 
> Bob R
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Nov 4, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Finally heard from the new owner.  He sent me a picture of it in its new 
>> “stable” - an outdoor area completely covered with trees.  Sad.  Those cowl 
>> drains will be clogged in a week.
>> 
>> Said the drive up to Laurel, MD was uneventful and the car ran great, which 
>> I would expect.
>> 
>> Eh, whatever.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Former W126/350SDL

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

When one flies the coop, Dan flies off to Hawaii.

On Nov 4, 2017 7:26 PM, "Bob Rentfro via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Which will be the next one to fly the coop?
>
> Bob R
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Nov 4, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> > Finally heard from the new owner.  He sent me a picture of it in its new
> “stable” - an outdoor area completely covered with trees.  Sad.  Those cowl
> drains will be clogged in a week.
> >
> > Said the drive up to Laurel, MD was uneventful and the car ran great,
> which I would expect.
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Re: [MBZ] Former W126/350SDL

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Which will be the next one to fly the coop?

Bob R

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> On Nov 4, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Finally heard from the new owner.  He sent me a picture of it in its new 
> “stable” - an outdoor area completely covered with trees.  Sad.  Those cowl 
> drains will be clogged in a week.
> 
> Said the drive up to Laurel, MD was uneventful and the car ran great, which I 
> would expect.
> 
> Eh, whatever.
> 
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[MBZ] Former W126/350SDL

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Finally heard from the new owner.  He sent me a picture of it in its new 
“stable” - an outdoor area completely covered with trees.  Sad.  Those cowl 
drains will be clogged in a week.

Said the drive up to Laurel, MD was uneventful and the car ran great, which I 
would expect.

Eh, whatever.

-D


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Re: [MBZ] Fun With Beckers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Lol

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On Nov 4, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

>> If I take one apart what would the encoder look like?
> 
> This?
> 
> File:Enigma_(crittografia)_-_Museo_scienza_e_tecnologia_Milano.jpg
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Re: [MBZ] 616 inj timing

[OK Don via Mercedes]

However, with the drip tube method, you are watching for the drip to stop -
not start, hence the ATDC timing.

On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> Nope, the injection stroke has to start BTDC in order to inject on time.
>
> Thanks Peter!  24º BTDC it is.
>
> As I recall, the WAY is to set crank tdc with the engine camshaft marks
> aligned.  Align the 2 IP marks and shove the IP in.  Is that right?
>
>> OK Don via Mercedes 
>> November 4, 2017 at 5:44 PM
>> Isn't the drip tube method AFTER TDC, or am I remembering it wrong?
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 616 inj timing

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Nope, the injection stroke has to start BTDC in order to inject on time.

Thanks Peter!  24º BTDC it is.

As I recall, the WAY is to set crank tdc with the engine camshaft marks 
aligned.  Align the 2 IP marks and shove the IP in.  Is that right?

OK Don via Mercedes 
November 4, 2017 at 5:44 PM
Isn't the drip tube method AFTER TDC, or am I remembering it wrong?

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Re: [MBZ] 616 inj timing

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Isn't the drip tube method AFTER TDC, or am I remembering it wrong?

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> 24 degrees is correct.  26 degrees for the turbo models.  Assuming drip
> tube method..
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Re: [MBZ] Fred's W108 250S on BAT?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes i realized that when i looked more carefully at the pix. Lord Won't you
buy me ...

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Nov 4, 2017 6:39 PM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:

> Wrong color and Jon's was an automatic.
>
> Curt
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> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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> On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> Don't think it is Fred's. He lives North of Boston. Could it be Jon Agne's?
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Nov 4, 2017 12:50 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Or someone on this list from MA.  Too bad it has crank windows.  As a
> > concours winner it is worth over $20K.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Fred's W108 250S on BAT?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Wrong color and Jon's was an automatic.
Curt

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  On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Dwight Giles via 
Mercedes wrote:   Don't think it is Fred's. He lives 
North of Boston. Could it be Jon Agne's?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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> Or someone on this list from MA.  Too bad it has crank windows.  As a
> concours winner it is worth over $20K.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 300CD

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

OK, but the point still stands.  I've had keys that only work in one of
their two possible insertion orientations.

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Re: [MBZ] 300CD

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I hadta think about this for a second. For any given pin only one side of the 
key is actuating at any moment but the pins alternate so you do need both sides 
of the key...

Curt

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  On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Jim Cathey via 
Mercedes wrote:   >
> For some reason the key wouldn't turn the button to open the trunk this
> time, it worked before


Did you try it in both ways?  Only one of the key's two faces is used to
move the pins in the lock.

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Re: [MBZ] Photos

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I haven't, I meant to and forgot it. That reminds me Dad has a .50cal flintlock 
pistol he wants me to shoot...

Curt

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Mercedes wrote:   Have you shot the pistol/derringer 
they sent you yet?  I’m curious to hear how that does.

-D


> On Nov 3, 2017, at 4:08 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I was out shooting today, no time for bow ties. Need to find some of the pics 
> from b-i-l's wedding.
> Shot the "from a friend" Kentucky rifle some more today. Its fun to shoot but 
> hasn't been performing as I'd expect. The trigger is really rough and that 
> was part of it but...
> Well, lets see if you can spot the 
> trouble:https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4572/38114770192_ecaf499023_b.jpg
> 
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Photos

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

It's a .45 cal CVA Kentucky rifle. I'm told it was built from a kit in the '80s 
and never shot. I'll post some better pics Monday.
I worked on the trigger some. It's short but very heavy. A little touch with a 
450 grit diamond hone helped. There's more to get there but trigger work is 
fiddly, do too much and the gun won't not fire...

Curt

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  On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Greg Fiorentino via 
Mercedes wrote:   What rifle and caliber is it with that 
nice octagonal barrel?  I have a .54 T/C Hawken I built from a kit. Fun stuff! 
I scared a whitetail with it once :-)

Greg

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Photos

I was out shooting today, no time for bow ties. Need to find some of the pics 
from b-i-l's wedding.
Shot the "from a friend" Kentucky rifle some more today. Its fun to shoot but 
hasn't been performing as I'd expect. The trigger is really rough and that was 
part of it but...
Well, lets see if you can spot the 
trouble:https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4572/38114770192_ecaf499023_b.jpg

-Curt

 

    On Friday, November 3, 2017, 12:20:28 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 No one but Don is prepared to post a photo?
I will. I just need to get one onto this computer so I can forward it.Tried to 
get one off my phone yesterday but it did not cooperate.
I know why but did not have time to mess with it. Phone was not connecting to 
the same wifi and as a result my photo transfer app would not connect.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Fun With Beckers

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> If I take one apart what would the encoder look like?


This?

File:Enigma_(crittografia)_-_Museo_scienza_e_tecnologia_Milano.jpg


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Re: [MBZ] Fun With Beckers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Like one of these:

https://www.digikey.com/products/en/sensors-transducers/encoders/507 


-D


> On Nov 4, 2017, at 5:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> If I take one apart what would the encoder look like?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2017, at 4:16 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> So my fix-it guy says the digital encoders used on the older Beckers are 
>> NLA. But - he says he uses the same one that’s used on later model radios 
>> common to the W210, which would be the 3303, 3306 and others. He said it’s 
>> backwards compatible.
>> 
>> So I guess you’ll need to tear a later model Becker apart to get a part 
>> number.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Fun With Beckers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

If I take one apart what would the encoder look like?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 4, 2017, at 4:16 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So my fix-it guy says the digital encoders used on the older Beckers are NLA. 
> But - he says he uses the same one that’s used on later model radios common 
> to the W210, which would be the 3303, 3306 and others. He said it’s backwards 
> compatible.
> 
> So I guess you’ll need to tear a later model Becker apart to get a part 
> number.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2017, at 1:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Have you seen any sort of fix for the volume knob issue other that sending 
>> it in to get the radio rebuilt?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Fun With Beckers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

So my fix-it guy says the digital encoders used on the older Beckers are NLA. 
But - he says he uses the same one that’s used on later model radios common to 
the W210, which would be the 3303, 3306 and others. He said it’s backwards 
compatible.

So I guess you’ll need to tear a later model Becker apart to get a part number.

-D


> On Nov 4, 2017, at 1:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Have you seen any sort of fix for the volume knob issue other that sending it 
> in to get the radio rebuilt?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] OT: would you pay $1900 for a MGB?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I agree with the assessment that it likely went under the back of a large
truck. Look closely at the leading edge of the trunk lid.. Looks to me like
it opened on impact and over pivoted on the hinges enough to bend the
trunk, forward edge..

I would inspect the car closely before taking it in for bid... Hands on ...
From the pictures I see front fenders and door space compromised..
"perhaps" door mis-alignment... MG was not a "strong car" impact wise..
could be a boat load of hidden damage away from being a nice car.

On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Alles.
>
> The B has had the carb/intake/exhaust parts upgraded, so it may be quicker
> than stock.
>
> Looks like Dan is correct, submarine.
>
> Fred.
>
>
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
>
>
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Dan Penoff
> via Mercedes 
> Sent: 04 November 2017 09:07
> To: Mercedes List
> Cc: Dan Penoff
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: would you pay $1900 for a MGB?
>
> One of the least desirable MGs there is.
>
> That car submarined under the bumper of a large car or SUV.  That’s what
> caused the damage.
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Re: [MBZ] Fun With Beckers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

No, unless you locate a source for the digital encoder they use.  I know a guy 
that replaces them for something like $60 if you send him the whole faceplate.  
I’ll ask him if he can give me the part number and a source.

Got any decent knobs?  Looks like they are mistaking them for being gold plated 
on eBay and elsewhere.  $25 for one of them.  Yikes!

I have the part number from Mercedes, but I’m betting they’re NLA.  I’ll find 
out Monday.

-D


> On Nov 4, 2017, at 1:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> Have you seen any sort of fix for the volume knob issue other that sending it 
> in to get the radio rebuilt?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Fred's W108 250S on BAT?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Don't think it is Fred's. He lives North of Boston. Could it be Jon Agne's?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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> Or someone on this list from MA.  Too bad it has crank windows.  As a
> concours winner it is worth over $20K.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Fun With Beckers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Have you seen any sort of fix for the volume knob issue other that sending it 
in to get the radio rebuilt?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 4, 2017, at 12:34 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I really wanted to get the original Becker back in my wagon, so I put a WTB 
> thread up on Benzworld.
> 
> Got a response from a guy in Louisiana who had two of them, condition 
> unknown.  I paid shipping ($15) and he sent me the pair. One was sort of 
> ratty and had a loose “Seek” button, the other looked pretty nice.
> 
> Got the codes from the radio code website in Lithuania and powered both up 
> OK.  The nicer one didn’t want to recognize my CD changer for some reason.  
> The rattier one did, but it has a really rough volume knob and the typical 
> “turn the knob and guess where the volume will end up?” issue.
> 
> So I started to tinker…
> 
> After about 10 minutes of work, I swapped the good faceplate from the nice 
> unit onto the radio that played nice with the CD changer.  I also noticed 
> that the volume control on this faceplate had been updated with the newer 
> stepper switch, so it will never develop the volume control issue.  I cleaned 
> the tape mechanism - on this radio it looks as if it’s never been used.  
> Capstans and rollers were clean, as was the head.
> 
> So now I’ve got a fully functional BE 1692 with a CD changer in my 98 E320 
> wagon.  While it doesn’t sound *quite* as nice as the aftermarket head unit 
> that had a display that looked like Jimi Hendrix threw up on it, it works 
> great and all the features are functional.  I just need to find a new volume 
> knob for it as both of them were kind of ratty.
> 
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[MBZ] Fun With Beckers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I really wanted to get the original Becker back in my wagon, so I put a WTB 
thread up on Benzworld.

Got a response from a guy in Louisiana who had two of them, condition unknown.  
I paid shipping ($15) and he sent me the pair. One was sort of ratty and had a 
loose “Seek” button, the other looked pretty nice.

Got the codes from the radio code website in Lithuania and powered both up OK.  
The nicer one didn’t want to recognize my CD changer for some reason.  The 
rattier one did, but it has a really rough volume knob and the typical “turn 
the knob and guess where the volume will end up?” issue.

So I started to tinker…

After about 10 minutes of work, I swapped the good faceplate from the nice unit 
onto the radio that played nice with the CD changer.  I also noticed that the 
volume control on this faceplate had been updated with the newer stepper 
switch, so it will never develop the volume control issue.  I cleaned the tape 
mechanism - on this radio it looks as if it’s never been used.  Capstans and 
rollers were clean, as was the head.

So now I’ve got a fully functional BE 1692 with a CD changer in my 98 E320 
wagon.  While it doesn’t sound *quite* as nice as the aftermarket head unit 
that had a display that looked like Jimi Hendrix threw up on it, it works great 
and all the features are functional.  I just need to find a new volume knob for 
it as both of them were kind of ratty.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] OT: would you pay $1900 for a MGB?

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Alles.

The B has had the carb/intake/exhaust parts upgraded, so it may be quicker than 
stock.

Looks like Dan is correct, submarine.

Fred.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes  on behalf of Dan Penoff via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 04 November 2017 09:07
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Cc: Dan Penoff
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: would you pay $1900 for a MGB?

One of the least desirable MGs there is.

That car submarined under the bumper of a large car or SUV.  That’s what caused 
the damage.

-D
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[MBZ] Fred's W108 250S on BAT?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Or someone on this list from MA.  Too bad it has crank windows.  As a
concours winner it is worth over $20K.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-mercedes-benz-250s/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2017-11-04
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[MBZ] Beautiful W108 280SE 4.5 on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Arabian gray with dark blue LEATHER interior and a working s/r.
Droolworthy car, except for the stupid bolts through the rubber strip on
the front bumper.  What's that about??

I also wonder about the lack of plates and - apparently - a title.  Huh?

The short video with the dark music is quite unusual - goose-bumpy.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-mercedes-benz-280sel-4-5/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2017-11-04

This will achieve over $20 k easily IMHO.
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Re: [MBZ] 616 inj timing

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

24 degrees is correct.  26 degrees for the turbo models.  Assuming drip tube 
method..
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Re: [MBZ] OT: would you pay $1900 for a MGB?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On November 4, 2017 at 11:48 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> I'll admit I didn't look at it closely, but from what I can remember the 
> damage looked more downward than rearward. I could probably tell for sure if 
> I go back and open the hood. 

I think Dan's correct, low speed submarine crash. All the missing paint is on 
the bottom front of the dent where it'd be scraped off in a underbumper 
incident.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: would you pay $1900 for a MGB?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On November 4, 2017 at 9:08 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> And the BIN I see is $1400.  ?

Plus $489 in fees, so if I go there Monday with a cashier's check for $1889 
plus 6% tax on $1400, I can leave in half an hour with the MBG.
Or I can bid $1200 on it and see what happens. 
I'll admit I didn't look at it closely, but from what I can remember the damage 
looked more downward than rearward. I could probably tell for sure if I go back 
and open the hood. 
Mitch.

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[MBZ] 616 inj timing

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

What is the start of injection timing for OM616  I believe the spec is 
24º BTDC.  I always remember the OM621 is 27º BTDC but I keep forgetting 
the OM616.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: would you pay $1900 for a MGB?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

And the BIN I see is $1400.  ?

-D


> On Nov 4, 2017, at 8:37 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Looks like they rejected yesterday's high bid and put a buy it now on it. 
> I looked at it briefly the other day, there's a hole in the vinyl on the 
> driver's seat bolster and it generally looks a bit tired, but it's rustfree, 
> the paint's OK, and the top is good. I'm thinking 113k on the odometer given 
> the wear on the seat. It looks like somebody's garage shelves fell across the 
> hood and fenders, or maybe a 4x4 pole fell on it. 
> https://www.copart.com/lot/42465227
> 
> Should I buy it, stick it in the garage and fix the dents in the spring?
> Immediately throw it on BAT as a project?
> Get a wrecked four cylinder Camaro, Mustang or Miata and update the 
> powertrain?
> Stand aside and watch somebody else buy it?
> 
> I was looking up the specs on these things, 1800cc, 80hp, 2340lb. It looks so 
> small, I can't believe it weighs 100lb less than a Saab 99 sedan, or 500lb 
> more than a 1975 Civic hatchback. 19 seconds at 70mph in the 1/4 mile.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: would you pay $1900 for a MGB?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

One of the least desirable MGs there is.

That car submarined under the bumper of a large car or SUV.  That’s what caused 
the damage.

-D

> On Nov 4, 2017, at 8:37 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Looks like they rejected yesterday's high bid and put a buy it now on it. 
> I looked at it briefly the other day, there's a hole in the vinyl on the 
> driver's seat bolster and it generally looks a bit tired, but it's rustfree, 
> the paint's OK, and the top is good. I'm thinking 113k on the odometer given 
> the wear on the seat. It looks like somebody's garage shelves fell across the 
> hood and fenders, or maybe a 4x4 pole fell on it. 
> https://www.copart.com/lot/42465227
> 
> Should I buy it, stick it in the garage and fix the dents in the spring?
> Immediately throw it on BAT as a project?
> Get a wrecked four cylinder Camaro, Mustang or Miata and update the 
> powertrain?
> Stand aside and watch somebody else buy it?
> 
> I was looking up the specs on these things, 1800cc, 80hp, 2340lb. It looks so 
> small, I can't believe it weighs 100lb less than a Saab 99 sedan, or 500lb 
> more than a 1975 Civic hatchback. 19 seconds at 70mph in the 1/4 mile.
> 
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[MBZ] OT: would you pay $1900 for a MGB?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Looks like they rejected yesterday's high bid and put a buy it now on it. 
I looked at it briefly the other day, there's a hole in the vinyl on the 
driver's seat bolster and it generally looks a bit tired, but it's rustfree, 
the paint's OK, and the top is good. I'm thinking 113k on the odometer given 
the wear on the seat. It looks like somebody's garage shelves fell across the 
hood and fenders, or maybe a 4x4 pole fell on it. 
https://www.copart.com/lot/42465227

Should I buy it, stick it in the garage and fix the dents in the spring?
Immediately throw it on BAT as a project?
Get a wrecked four cylinder Camaro, Mustang or Miata and update the powertrain?
Stand aside and watch somebody else buy it?

I was looking up the specs on these things, 1800cc, 80hp, 2340lb. It looks so 
small, I can't believe it weighs 100lb less than a Saab 99 sedan, or 500lb more 
than a 1975 Civic hatchback. 19 seconds at 70mph in the 1/4 mile.

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Re: [MBZ] 300CD

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I did not know that. I’ll have to check. 

--R
Sent from iPhone

On Nov 3, 2017, at 9:12 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

>> For some reason the key wouldn't turn the button to open the trunk this 
>> time, it worked before
> 
> Did you try it in both ways?  Only one of the key's two faces is used to move 
> the pins in the lock.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] 300CD

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

--R
Sent from iPhone

> On Nov 3, 2017, at 10:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Does it have the burlwood dash?
> 
> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>>> 
>>> For some reason the key wouldn't turn the button to open the trunk this
>>> time, it worked before
>> 
>> 
>> Did you try it in both ways?  Only one of the key's two faces is used to
>> move the pins in the lock.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Dealership techs

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

My absolute favorite characters.

Yup, yup, yup, yup…brrring!

-D


> On Nov 3, 2017, at 10:31 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=82&v=aBK9O5nDJlM
> 
> clay 
> 
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
> 
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
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