Re: [MBZ] Broken Balusters [was: Re: Merry Christmas}

2017-12-25 Thread Kevin Kraly via Mercedes
35F and cloudy today. We had a little bit of snow/sleet yesterday, just enough 
to race around and do some donuts with the 1/5 scale 2-stroke RC car. It was a 
wonderful Christmas though, great food (home grilled filet mignon steaks and 
Maine lobstah tails), great gifts and awesome company!
Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon 

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> On Dec 25, 2017, at 8:47 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The ones I had turned were replacements for the ones that they broke. 
> 
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>> On Dec 25, 2017, at 10:46 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Mon, 25 Dec 2017 16:23:36 -0500 Dimitri via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Blizzard like conditions here in Brunswick, ME. About 9 inches total.
>>> Was installing some balusters that I had turned. Punk ass college
>>> students broke them. 
>> 
>> Were the ones you were installing the replacements for the ones the
>> college students broke, or did they break the ones you turned?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Broken Balusters [was: Re: Merry Christmas}

2017-12-25 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes
The ones I had turned were replacements for the ones that they broke. 

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> On Dec 25, 2017, at 10:46 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 25 Dec 2017 16:23:36 -0500 Dimitri via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Blizzard like conditions here in Brunswick, ME. About 9 inches total.
>> Was installing some balusters that I had turned. Punk ass college
>> students broke them. 
> 
> Were the ones you were installing the replacements for the ones the
> college students broke, or did they break the ones you turned?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Owners Manual

2017-12-25 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
I tried download ing the 2000 manual for grins, it sez E320, E420 and 
Ewhaterver it is AMG.  NO DISSEL!


I looked at 2001 through 2006, and no R models.  I thought there were AT 
LEAST R Dissels somewhere in those model years.






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[MBZ] Broken Balusters [was: Re: Merry Christmas}

2017-12-25 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Mon, 25 Dec 2017 16:23:36 -0500 Dimitri via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Blizzard like conditions here in Brunswick, ME. About 9 inches total.
> Was installing some balusters that I had turned. Punk ass college
> students broke them. 

Were the ones you were installing the replacements for the ones the
college students broke, or did they break the ones you turned?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Merry Christmas!

2017-12-25 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
We got 5" of snow this morning. Light powdery stuff so easy to clean the 
driveway. The first time we've gotten snow on Christmas in several years. Last 
time we did we got slammed so this is nice, looks pretty.
-Curt
 

On Monday, December 25, 2017, 3:10:51 PM EST, OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 It's pouring sunshine here in Okieland, but is a good Christmas - hope you
all are having the same.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> >
> > seeing our first snow for a surprise White Christmas in the PNW
>
>
> Snowing today here in Spokane too.  Beautiful, and we don't have to go
> anywhere today.
>
> Merry ho-ho's!
>
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Re: [MBZ] Christmas

2017-12-25 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
I’m going to check with my tax guy. My wife will not be working, but now she’s 
not entirely certain that she’s going to go with me. I’ll likely be there 
anywhere from 3 to 5 years. I’m just waiting to find out what they’re going to 
offer me. Will probably know something in about two weeks.

Bob R

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> On Dec 25, 2017, at 3:45 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob, been meaning to give you the news since I checked on it a couple of 
> weeks ago. 
> No material changes to the foreign earned income exclusion are currently 
> proposed for 2018.
> You can exclude $104,100, your wife can exclude the same. 
> 
> This is a long term assignment, right?
> You'll want to look at the residency requirements. 330 day rule and all that. 
> Email me if you have questions. 
> https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/foreign-earned-income-exclusion
> 
> Probably want to check your state residency requirements and make sure you 
> aren't considered a resident of a state that charges income tax while you're 
> away. 
> 
> 
>> On December 25, 2017 at 12:01 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Merry Christmas all you knuckleheads. I trust you are all warm and happy 
>> gathered with your families. This is the first Christmas I haven’t been 
>> making electricity at the old nuke plant in many years. And, as luck would 
>> have it, all my family somewhere else. SWMBO is in Donna, TX with her pop in 
>> hospice, Oldest girl child is in Hollywood having to work the next three 
>> days, boy child is probably hungover at someone’s house, and youngest girl 
>> child is in Tucson getting ready to work tonight. So it’s just me and the 
>> dogs. 
>> I hope Herr Claus brought you exactly what you wanted.
>> 
>> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Christmas

2017-12-25 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Hi Bob, been meaning to give you the news since I checked on it a couple of 
weeks ago. 
No material changes to the foreign earned income exclusion are currently 
proposed for 2018.
You can exclude $104,100, your wife can exclude the same. 

This is a long term assignment, right?
You'll want to look at the residency requirements. 330 day rule and all that. 
Email me if you have questions. 
https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/foreign-earned-income-exclusion

Probably want to check your state residency requirements and make sure you 
aren't considered a resident of a state that charges income tax while you're 
away. 


> On December 25, 2017 at 12:01 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Merry Christmas all you knuckleheads. I trust you are all warm and happy 
> gathered with your families. This is the first Christmas I haven’t been 
> making electricity at the old nuke plant in many years. And, as luck would 
> have it, all my family somewhere else. SWMBO is in Donna, TX with her pop in 
> hospice, Oldest girl child is in Hollywood having to work the next three 
> days, boy child is probably hungover at someone’s house, and youngest girl 
> child is in Tucson getting ready to work tonight. So it’s just me and the 
> dogs. 
> I hope Herr Claus brought you exactly what you wanted.
> 
> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Merry Christmas

2017-12-25 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

14°F here, been snowing since dawn at least. 
About 6" today, sometimes whiteout visibility, sometimes the sun shows up for 
5-10 minutes then the blizzard comes back. 
Got home from the parents' house about an hour ago, still have a roaster oven 
with half a turkey breast in the trunk of the car to deal with.

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Re: [MBZ] Owners Manual

2017-12-25 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes
Yup. And it’s been that way for about 3-4 years at least. Nothing older than MY 
2000 vehicles.

-D

> On Dec 25, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> Nice gesture but only goes back to the year 2000.
> 
> On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes <
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> 
>> Ya'll probably know about this but MB is giving away something for FREE!
>> Ain't that unique?  But I'd bet they'll make it up elsewhere ;-)
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/service_and_parts/owners_manuals
>> 
>> Select your OM and download to your computer...
>> 
>> Enjoy -
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Merry Christmas

2017-12-25 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes
Shoveled sunshine today and enjoyed the brisk (70F) temperatures.

-D

> On Dec 25, 2017, at 5:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> I’m at the local Indian casino eating Christmas buffet. It’s about 32 and 
> cloudy here.
> 
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>> On Dec 25, 2017, at 3:04 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 52ºF   (11ºC) here and sunny!Baking sugar cookies , then off to Tommy's 
>> in Mobile.
>> 
>> Filled up with 1.979 Benzin yesterday.   87 proof   (with the shell oil 
>> nickel off card.
>> 
>> Dizzel has been all over, but around here mostly 2.25 to 2.35.  I have seen 
>> it over $3 in the past couple weeks traveling around.
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Re: [MBZ] Merry Christmas

2017-12-25 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
I’m at the local Indian casino eating Christmas buffet. It’s about 32 and 
cloudy here.

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> On Dec 25, 2017, at 3:04 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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> 52ºF   (11ºC) here and sunny!Baking sugar cookies , then off to Tommy's 
> in Mobile.
> 
> Filled up with 1.979 Benzin yesterday.   87 proof   (with the shell oil 
> nickel off card.
> 
> Dizzel has been all over, but around here mostly 2.25 to 2.35.  I have seen 
> it over $3 in the past couple weeks traveling around.
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Re: [MBZ] Merry Christmas

2017-12-25 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
In the 50s here but sunny. Just got back from a walk on the beach. Was 70ish 
and foggy drizzly yesterday. 

--R
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> On Dec 25, 2017, at 4:23 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Blizzard like conditions here in Brunswick, ME. About 9 inches total. Was 
> installing some balusters that I had turned. Punk ass college students broke 
> them. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Dec 25, 2017, at 4:04 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 52ºF   (11ºC) here and sunny!Baking sugar cookies, then off to Tommy's 
>> in Mobile.
>> 
>> Filled up with 1.979 Benzin yesterday.   87 proof   (with the shell oil 
>> nickel off card.
>> 
>> Dizzel has been all over, but around here mostly 2.25 to 2.35.  I have seen 
>> it over $3 in the past couple weeks traveling around.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 603 V 606

2017-12-25 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

> On December 25, 2017 at 9:53 AM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 86-87 3.0 148hp @ 4600rpm,  273lb @ 2400rpm
> 606:
> 
> non turbo 134hp @ 5000rpm, 155lb @ 2200rpm
> 
> turbo 174hp @ 4400rpm, 243lb @ 1600 rpm
> 


What's funny is my Chebby LE2 1.4L (gas) makes a bit more than an early OM606:

153hp @ 5600rpm, 177 ft-lb @ 2000-4000rpm
http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/gm-engines/le2/

With a computer flashed tune, it's more like: 
210hp @ 4500-5500, 260-270ft-lb @ 2000-4000rpm (handily stronger than the 606 
turbo above 2000 rpm)

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Re: [MBZ] Merry Christmas

2017-12-25 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes
Blizzard like conditions here in Brunswick, ME. About 9 inches total. Was 
installing some balusters that I had turned. Punk ass college students broke 
them. 

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> On Dec 25, 2017, at 4:04 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 52ºF   (11ºC) here and sunny!Baking sugar cookies, then off to Tommy's in 
> Mobile.
> 
> Filled up with 1.979 Benzin yesterday.   87 proof   (with the shell oil 
> nickel off card.
> 
> Dizzel has been all over, but around here mostly 2.25 to 2.35.  I have seen 
> it over $3 in the past couple weeks traveling around.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Merry Christmas

2017-12-25 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
52ºF   (11ºC) here and sunny!Baking sugar cookies, then off to 
Tommy's in Mobile.


Filled up with 1.979 Benzin yesterday.   87 proof   (with the shell oil 
nickel off card.


Dizzel has been all over, but around here mostly 2.25 to 2.35.  I have 
seen it over $3 in the past couple weeks traveling around.




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Re: [MBZ] Merry Christmas

2017-12-25 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Merry Christmas  from cold & windy RI where we had a white Christmas for
about an hour this morning. No chance to go  hotdogging in the 4matic.
(Mercedes content.)
Dwight

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Dec 25, 2017 3:10 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
wrote:

It's pouring sunshine here in Okieland, but is a good Christmas - hope you
all are having the same.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> >
> > seeing our first snow for a surprise White Christmas in the PNW
>
>
> Snowing today here in Spokane too.  Beautiful, and we don't have to go
> anywhere today.
>
> Merry ho-ho's!
>
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Re: [MBZ] cruise control again

2017-12-25 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
You can also splice a piece of hook-up wire onto one lead, lay the cap
down, and run the extended lead parallel to the cap to the other end.

On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Dec 2017 14:46:23 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
>
> > That's what I figured.  I would have preferred to replace with the
> > exact style, and I should have ordered both when I did my order a while
> > back, but if I were to order just these, the shipping would be more
> > than the parts.
> >
> >
> > On 12/24/2017 2:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > > As long as the values are the same, it doesn’t matter.  The
> > > characteristics of the caps are the same. Just spread the leads out
> > > so they reach the holes, observe proper polarity, and you’re in
> > > business.
>
> If the leads have to spread very much, you might want to tack down the
> radial capacitor with a glob of RTV so the vehicular vibrations won't
> cause problems.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] cruise control again

2017-12-25 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sun, 24 Dec 2017 14:46:23 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> That's what I figured.  I would have preferred to replace with the
> exact style, and I should have ordered both when I did my order a while
> back, but if I were to order just these, the shipping would be more
> than the parts.
> 
> 
> On 12/24/2017 2:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > As long as the values are the same, it doesn’t matter.  The
> > characteristics of the caps are the same. Just spread the leads out
> > so they reach the holes, observe proper polarity, and you’re in
> > business.

If the leads have to spread very much, you might want to tack down the
radial capacitor with a glob of RTV so the vehicular vibrations won't
cause problems.


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Re: [MBZ] Merry Christmas!

2017-12-25 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
It's pouring sunshine here in Okieland, but is a good Christmas - hope you
all are having the same.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> >
> > seeing our first snow for a surprise White Christmas in the PNW
>
>
> Snowing today here in Spokane too.  Beautiful, and we don't have to go
> anywhere today.
>
> Merry ho-ho's!
>
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Re: [MBZ] 603 V 606

2017-12-25 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
From my experience the 602 in the 124 gets the best mileage of any of 
the 60x diesels, including the 606.



On 12/25/2017 1:55 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Well the OM602 is reputed to get better MPG in a 124 than the 87 OM603 
version 124.  But the OM603 version runs like a sports car.


My guess is that the MPG is tied more to the C_d of the chassis than 
to the OM version.


My U100 bronco got 10 MPG with a 170 CI engine.  I put in a 283 that I 
knew got 17 MPG in a galaxie.   Guess what?  The 283 got exactly the 
same 10 MPG as the 170 did.  (But twisted the frame when you romped on 
it!)  It was MUCH more fun!



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
December 25, 2017 at 1:40 PM
I wonder what the fuel consumption numbers are. That's an important 
part of the equation too.

Curt


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Re: [MBZ] 603 V 606

2017-12-25 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Well the OM602 is reputed to get better MPG in a 124 than the 87 OM603 
version 124.  But the OM603 version runs like a sports car.


My guess is that the MPG is tied more to the C_d of the chassis than to 
the OM version.


My U100 bronco got 10 MPG with a 170 CI engine.  I put in a 283 that I 
knew got 17 MPG in a galaxie.   Guess what?  The 283 got exactly the 
same 10 MPG as the 170 did.  (But twisted the frame when you romped on 
it!)  It was MUCH more fun!



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
December 25, 2017 at 1:40 PM
I wonder what the fuel consumption numbers are. That's an important 
part of the equation too.

Curt


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Re: [MBZ] 603 V 606

2017-12-25 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I wonder what the fuel consumption numbers are. That's an important part of the 
equation too.
Curt

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  On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via 
Mercedes wrote:   Those numbers don't tell you the whole 
picture... you need to look at the
plots of power and torque through the whole RPM range.  But from this data,
we can see the 606A makes peak torque at 1600rpm, which is even better than
the already low 2000rpm 3.5 603a, and will feel significantly faster than
the very late 2400rpm of the 3.0 603a.  This is all partially thanks to the
more advanced fuel and turbo control in the more modern engines.  (See,
electronics are your friend!)

Its much more useful to see how it develops torque (and horsepower) over a
range of engine speeds, and how long it holds near the peak as speed
increases.

As you know, the 3.5 already feels quite a bit faster than the 3.0, thanks
to the peak torque and horsepower coming in at lower speeds.  Its much more
useful on the actual road (but is statistically less when compared on the
dyno).

Jaime


On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The HP and torque figures for the 603 got me to thinking about how it
> compares to the 606.  I find it interesting that the 603, even the 3.0 has
> more torque than the 606 turbo.  I was also curious about the 617 v 602
> figures but could not locate 602 torque figures with a quick google search.
>
> 603:
>
> 86-87 3.0 148hp @ 4600rpm,  273lb @ 2400rpm
>
> 90-91 3.5 136hp @ 4000rpm, 310lb @ 2000rpm
>
> 92-95 3.5 150hp @ 4000rpm, 310lb @ 2000rpm
>
> 606:
>
> non turbo 134hp @ 5000rpm, 155lb @ 2200rpm
>
> turbo 174hp @ 4400rpm, 243lb @ 1600 rpm
>
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Re: [MBZ] Owners Manual

2017-12-25 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Nice gesture but only goes back to the year 2000.

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> Ya'll probably know about this but MB is giving away something for FREE!
> Ain't that unique?  But I'd bet they'll make it up elsewhere ;-)
>
>
> https://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/service_and_parts/owners_manuals
>
> Select your OM and download to your computer...
>
>  Enjoy -
>
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[MBZ] Owners Manual

2017-12-25 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
Ya'll probably know about this but MB is giving away something for 
FREE!  Ain't that unique?  But I'd bet they'll make it up elsewhere ;-)



https://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/service_and_parts/owners_manuals

Select your OM and download to your computer...

 Enjoy -

Larry


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Re: [MBZ] 603 V 606

2017-12-25 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
The dissolved 200D Frankenheap (W115) is quite pleasantly drivable, even
with only 55 or so HP.  Plenty of torque is what makes it work.  The 12V
Cummins, even with its very low RPM range (750-2500), is a good driver.
Mucho torque.  What do they say?  HP==top speed, torque==acceleration.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Merry Christmas!

2017-12-25 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
>
> seeing our first snow for a surprise White Christmas in the PNW


Snowing today here in Spokane too.  Beautiful, and we don't have to go
anywhere today.

Merry ho-ho's!

-- Jim
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[MBZ] Merry Christmas!

2017-12-25 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
To my list friends!

 

Greg, seeing our first snow for a surprise White Christmas in the PNW

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[MBZ] Christmas

2017-12-25 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
Merry Christmas all you knuckleheads. I trust you are all warm and happy 
gathered with your families. This is the first Christmas I haven’t been making 
electricity at the old nuke plant in many years. And, as luck would have it, 
all my family somewhere else. SWMBO is in Donna, TX with her pop in hospice, 
Oldest girl child is in Hollywood having to work the next three days, boy child 
is probably hungover at someone’s house, and youngest girl child is in Tucson 
getting ready to work tonight. So it’s just me and the dogs. 
I hope Herr Claus brought you exactly what you wanted.

Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] 603 V 606

2017-12-25 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Daveslist is an exclusive list for Dave M. and invited friends.   I am 
not wunna dem!



Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
December 25, 2017 at 9:43 AM
And what is daveslist?!

Merry Christmas!
Jaime


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Re: [MBZ] 603 V 606

2017-12-25 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
And what is daveslist?!

Merry Christmas!
Jaime


On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Jaime Kopchinski 
wrote:

> Those numbers don't tell you the whole picture... you need to look at the
> plots of power and torque through the whole RPM range.  But from this data,
> we can see the 606A makes peak torque at 1600rpm, which is even better than
> the already low 2000rpm 3.5 603a, and will feel significantly faster than
> the very late 2400rpm of the 3.0 603a.  This is all partially thanks to the
> more advanced fuel and turbo control in the more modern engines.  (See,
> electronics are your friend!)
>
> Its much more useful to see how it develops torque (and horsepower) over a
> range of engine speeds, and how long it holds near the peak as speed
> increases.
>
> As you know, the 3.5 already feels quite a bit faster than the 3.0, thanks
> to the peak torque and horsepower coming in at lower speeds.  Its much more
> useful on the actual road (but is statistically less when compared on the
> dyno).
>
> Jaime
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> The HP and torque figures for the 603 got me to thinking about how it
>> compares to the 606.  I find it interesting that the 603, even the 3.0 has
>> more torque than the 606 turbo.  I was also curious about the 617 v 602
>> figures but could not locate 602 torque figures with a quick google search.
>>
>> 603:
>>
>> 86-87 3.0 148hp @ 4600rpm,  273lb @ 2400rpm
>>
>> 90-91 3.5 136hp @ 4000rpm, 310lb @ 2000rpm
>>
>> 92-95 3.5 150hp @ 4000rpm, 310lb @ 2000rpm
>>
>> 606:
>>
>> non turbo 134hp @ 5000rpm, 155lb @ 2200rpm
>>
>> turbo 174hp @ 4400rpm, 243lb @ 1600 rpm
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 603 V 606

2017-12-25 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
Those numbers don't tell you the whole picture... you need to look at the
plots of power and torque through the whole RPM range.  But from this data,
we can see the 606A makes peak torque at 1600rpm, which is even better than
the already low 2000rpm 3.5 603a, and will feel significantly faster than
the very late 2400rpm of the 3.0 603a.  This is all partially thanks to the
more advanced fuel and turbo control in the more modern engines.  (See,
electronics are your friend!)

Its much more useful to see how it develops torque (and horsepower) over a
range of engine speeds, and how long it holds near the peak as speed
increases.

As you know, the 3.5 already feels quite a bit faster than the 3.0, thanks
to the peak torque and horsepower coming in at lower speeds.  Its much more
useful on the actual road (but is statistically less when compared on the
dyno).

Jaime


On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The HP and torque figures for the 603 got me to thinking about how it
> compares to the 606.  I find it interesting that the 603, even the 3.0 has
> more torque than the 606 turbo.  I was also curious about the 617 v 602
> figures but could not locate 602 torque figures with a quick google search.
>
> 603:
>
> 86-87 3.0 148hp @ 4600rpm,  273lb @ 2400rpm
>
> 90-91 3.5 136hp @ 4000rpm, 310lb @ 2000rpm
>
> 92-95 3.5 150hp @ 4000rpm, 310lb @ 2000rpm
>
> 606:
>
> non turbo 134hp @ 5000rpm, 155lb @ 2200rpm
>
> turbo 174hp @ 4400rpm, 243lb @ 1600 rpm
>
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Re: [MBZ] Happy Christmas!

2017-12-25 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Aye!  Merry Christmas!
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'95 E300

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Re: [MBZ] swap 603.96 for a .97

2017-12-25 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Which transmission would you use?
-- 
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'95 E300

On December 25, 2017 9:06:11 AM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>86-87 3.0 148hp @ 4600rpm,  273lb @ 2400rpm
>
>90-91 3.5 136hp @ 4000rpm, 310lb @ 2000rpm
>
>92-95 3.5 150hp @ 4000rpm, 310lb @ 2000rpm
>
>
>On 12/24/2017 10:39 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>> If I recall right, the 86-87 300 engines have more HP than the "3.5"
>>
>>> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>>> December 24, 2017 at 9:07 PM
>>> If you put the IP from the 3.5 on the 3.0, you'll need to adjust the
>
>>> pump governor for the higher RPM, and maybe turn down the fuel
>amount 
>>> a bit to reduce smoking. I've still got to make those adjustments on
>
>>> mine, probably going to start with just increasing the maximum RPM. 
>>> Now that I've got the boost turned up and the bad delivery valve 
>>> fixed, my car is running pretty good but still has worse fuel 
>>> consumption than before.
>>>
>>> Keep the 3.0 turbo, it has a simple pressure operated waste gate.
>The 
>>> 3.5 has the vacuum operated, more complex.
>>>
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[MBZ] 603 V 606

2017-12-25 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
The HP and torque figures for the 603 got me to thinking about how it 
compares to the 606.  I find it interesting that the 603, even the 3.0 
has more torque than the 606 turbo.  I was also curious about the 617 v 
602 figures but could not locate 602 torque figures with a quick google 
search.


603:

86-87 3.0 148hp @ 4600rpm,  273lb @ 2400rpm

90-91 3.5 136hp @ 4000rpm, 310lb @ 2000rpm

92-95 3.5 150hp @ 4000rpm, 310lb @ 2000rpm

606:

non turbo 134hp @ 5000rpm, 155lb @ 2200rpm

turbo 174hp @ 4400rpm, 243lb @ 1600 rpm


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Re: [MBZ] swap 603.96 for a .97

2017-12-25 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

86-87 3.0 148hp @ 4600rpm,  273lb @ 2400rpm

90-91 3.5 136hp @ 4000rpm, 310lb @ 2000rpm

92-95 3.5 150hp @ 4000rpm, 310lb @ 2000rpm


On 12/24/2017 10:39 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

If I recall right, the 86-87 300 engines have more HP than the "3.5"


Max Dillon via Mercedes 
December 24, 2017 at 9:07 PM
If you put the IP from the 3.5 on the 3.0, you'll need to adjust the 
pump governor for the higher RPM, and maybe turn down the fuel amount 
a bit to reduce smoking. I've still got to make those adjustments on 
mine, probably going to start with just increasing the maximum RPM. 
Now that I've got the boost turned up and the bad delivery valve 
fixed, my car is running pretty good but still has worse fuel 
consumption than before.


Keep the 3.0 turbo, it has a simple pressure operated waste gate. The 
3.5 has the vacuum operated, more complex.




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Re: [MBZ] cruise control again

2017-12-25 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Takes patience and practice for sure. The next one will go much better I bet.

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>> So I finally tried it out just now and it appears to be working fine.
> 
> There you go.  Harder than it looks, innit?
> 
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[MBZ] Christmas

2017-12-25 Thread tyee165 via Mercedes

Merry Christmas to allHope Santa is good to all of you folks
RB

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