Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The  $50,000 to $60,000 peekups with all the "luxury" trim/interior such 
as the frod "platinum" "limited" "SVT Raptor" and "King Ranch"   are 
what I classify as wussywagons.   They are not meant for work, but to 
show off the owners wealth or to stroke the owners ego, or to satisfy 
the wife while doing one of the former..  The "platinum" is definitely 
trimmed to sell to the female market.  To be fair, pretty much all cars, 
MB included are targeted at the female market.  There may be some 
argument about the king ranch, but with a price tag over $50,000, 
leather steering wheel cover, heated seats, etc, it definitely has 
options that fall into the wussy category.  Each of these would be 
competing with a MB/nissan pickup.


I am not picking on frod, because GM, dodge, toada and nissan all offer 
products with similar fru-fru.  I am more familiar with their trim levels.


When you compare the $50k-60k wagens to the $27k ford F150 XL, can you 
honestly tell me a "limited or "platinum" is worth twice as much 
money?   Will they get twice as much MPG?  Will they last twice as 
long?  Will they carry twice as much?  Do they have some combination of 
the 3 that justifies being worth twice as much?


The gummit meddling in the vehicle market has driven people away from 
cars and into peekups.  The carmakers are not stupid.  they are just 
capitalizing on the weaknesses of people and what their gummit has 
taxed/regulated them into.



Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
January 19, 2018 at 10:40 AM


What would you consider to not be a wussywagon? A Unimog?
I cannot see myself doing long trips at highway speeds in one of those.


I suggest that the 4WD 1/2 ton crew cab pickups are the best thing 
since sliced bread. Basically, a big sedan with a huge trunk. Haul 
people and/or loads of lumber etc and pull a trailer behind too if 
need be. The biggest disadvantage is parking them.


I don't need 3/4 ton capacity so not much point in hauling the extra 
weight around. Would consider a diesel if I needed it and could 
justify it but I cannot.


RB


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Re: [MBZ] The latest story on the CAB

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

He's jealous of my $500 cabriolet.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On January 19, 2018 10:08:39 PM EST, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I think you are on crack
>
>--FT
>Sent from iPhone
>
>> On Jan 19, 2018, at 8:59 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> So I talked to the guy with the 124 CAB today.  It is at the body
>shop and the initial estimate was $1800 to fix it.  I guess they got
>into it further and the estimate has climbed to $6k.  The insurance
>company says the only comparable they can find place it at a $9k value.
>So the guy is not sure what all is going to happen yet but it sounds
>like he will be getting a check for the car and wanted to know if I was
>interested in it. I told him I was.  He is interested in the 240D.  So
>anyway, I figured a couple of things will happen.  It ends up being too
>much and they total it, then he can find out what the buy back amount
>is.  Or they just give him a check for whatever it would have cost to
>fix it. He says he paid about $3500 for it so he hit the jack pot.
>> 
>> Anyway on to the car.  So he says the part under the trunk is pushed
>in about an inch and the trunk will not close.  He says the top is
>leaking fluid from near the right rear wheel area, so it needs new
>cylinders.  He says it will need a new top at some point as it is
>starting to fray.  He talks like the leather seat covers have rips.  I
>still have not seen the car yet but I am trying to figure out given the
>latest info how it would be worth to mess with it.  I am thinking maybe
>$1200 depending on how bad it looks.  If he does want the 240D I am
>going to try to get his car plus some cash.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Curt needs this

[tyee165 via Mercedes]

Where is the big gun? You could use it for hunting moose.


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 Original message From: OK Don via Mercedes 
 Date: 2018-01-19  7:33 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
Discussion List  Cc: OK Don  Subject: 
[MBZ] Curt needs this 
To get to/from camp in style:

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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> Have not needed to move any of those [barriers] lately,


It moves cars, too:

http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/Mog/Mogcarlift.jpg

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Andrew needs a dually truck

[tyee165 via Mercedes]

Just giving you a hard time.


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 Original message From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 Date: 2018-01-19  7:04 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
Discussion List  Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Andrew needs a dually truck 
I actually worked late today.

On Jan 19, 2018 5:47 PM, "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> So, do you folks think that Andrew's employment with the government has
> anything to do with the fact that he does not appear to be around on Friday
> afternoon?
> It is about 12 minutes to 5 here and I am still in my office.
>
> RB
>
> On 19/01/2018 4:20 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Grant wrote:

 Perfect !  It has "Andrew" stamped all over it... Should fit
 all the garden shop stuff nicely... and impress the
 neighbors...

>>> Is it a 1985?
>>
>> Mitch wrote:
>>>
>>> I think I might build myself an El Camino for my 55th birthday.
>>> I've been seeing reports of 2.0L Camaros doing 12.0 in the 1/4
>>> mile with minimal modifications. What if I bought one that was
>>> hit in the rear and made a carbon fiber/styrofoam truck bed for
>>> it?
>>>
>> Extra points if you put a Detroit Diesel in it an set it up so it
>> will dump huge quantities of unburned fuel out the exhaust. (roll
>> coal)  Max points if it's a 2 stroke, but even a 6.2/6.5 L will do.
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] I think it failed

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Happens all the time!

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Re: [MBZ] The latest story on the CAB

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I think you are on crack

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Jan 19, 2018, at 8:59 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So I talked to the guy with the 124 CAB today.  It is at the body shop and 
> the initial estimate was $1800 to fix it.  I guess they got into it further 
> and the estimate has climbed to $6k.  The insurance company says the only 
> comparable they can find place it at a $9k value.  So the guy is not sure 
> what all is going to happen yet but it sounds like he will be getting a check 
> for the car and wanted to know if I was interested in it. I told him I was.  
> He is interested in the 240D.  So anyway, I figured a couple of things will 
> happen.  It ends up being too much and they total it, then he can find out 
> what the buy back amount is.  Or they just give him a check for whatever it 
> would have cost to fix it. He says he paid about $3500 for it so he hit the 
> jack pot.
> 
> Anyway on to the car.  So he says the part under the trunk is pushed in about 
> an inch and the trunk will not close.  He says the top is leaking fluid from 
> near the right rear wheel area, so it needs new cylinders.  He says it will 
> need a new top at some point as it is starting to fray.  He talks like the 
> leather seat covers have rips.  I still have not seen the car yet but I am 
> trying to figure out given the latest info how it would be worth to mess with 
> it.  I am thinking maybe $1200 depending on how bad it looks.  If he does 
> want the 240D I am going to try to get his car plus some cash.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Curt needs this

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Howe & Howe are in Maine I think. I actually thought they'd gone out of 
business, guess not..

-Curt
 

On Friday, January 19, 2018, 8:33:09 PM EST, OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 To get to/from camp in style:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthusiasts/the-ripsaw-ev3-f1-is-a-hellcat-powered-1500-hp-personal-off-road-tank/ar-AAuUSbA?li=BBnb4R5

-- 
OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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[MBZ] Fw: 1994 MERCEDES E320

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

W124 wagon


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: nore...@craigslist.org 
Sent: 19 January 2018 21:43
To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
Subject: 1994 MERCEDES E320


fredy4.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist:


1994 MERCEDES E320

https://nh.craigslist.org/cto/6458107500.html
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Re: [MBZ] Sun visor clips

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

SLC can be had all day long.  Try finding for the SL, in green.


clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers


> On Jan 19, 2018, at 5:40 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Wow - last ones I bought (for the SLC) were $8 each, and I thought that was
> robbery!
> 
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 5:37 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin-Okiebenz via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Why the heck are sun visor clips so expensive?  They are anywhere from
>> $26-40+ depending on color.
>> 
 
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[MBZ] I think it failed

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Thermostat might be dead/ open.  I took Allen for a drive on the freeway and 
temp gauge was sitting between cold  and almost not cold anymore (40-80) at 
70mph after 20 minutes.  Never got warmer.  Cabin temp was not that great, and 
when I got home, the top hose was mushy and warm, the lower hose was pretty 
cool.

Time to get a fresh thermostat?



clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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[MBZ] The latest story on the CAB

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So I talked to the guy with the 124 CAB today.  It is at the body shop 
and the initial estimate was $1800 to fix it.  I guess they got into it 
further and the estimate has climbed to $6k.  The insurance company says 
the only comparable they can find place it at a $9k value.  So the guy 
is not sure what all is going to happen yet but it sounds like he will 
be getting a check for the car and wanted to know if I was interested in 
it. I told him I was.  He is interested in the 240D.  So anyway, I 
figured a couple of things will happen.  It ends up being too much and 
they total it, then he can find out what the buy back amount is.  Or 
they just give him a check for whatever it would have cost to fix it. He 
says he paid about $3500 for it so he hit the jack pot.


Anyway on to the car.  So he says the part under the trunk is pushed in 
about an inch and the trunk will not close.  He says the top is leaking 
fluid from near the right rear wheel area, so it needs new cylinders.  
He says it will need a new top at some point as it is starting to fray.  
He talks like the leather seat covers have rips.  I still have not seen 
the car yet but I am trying to figure out given the latest info how it 
would be worth to mess with it.  I am thinking maybe $1200 depending on 
how bad it looks.  If he does want the 240D I am going to try to get his 
car plus some cash.



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Re: [MBZ] Catastrophic Failure

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

You must have competition in the market.  PNW has ONE steel smelter company.  
They went on a pillage patrol and bought out most of the yards, or got eco 
measures enacted that put the rest out of business.   There are a few yards 
that are still open, but they are ancient and do very little turn over.  If you 
need 50 year old car parts… that sort of thing.

Steel company just crushes them flat, then trucks them to the processor for 
making small enough parts to fit in a boat to china


clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:16 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I don't know if it was for complete cars or pure steel, but the yard in 
> Olivet was advertising $120/ton when I drove by this afternoon. 
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Curt needs this

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

At least now  we know which engine to put in Manfred's tank. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Curt needs this

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Curt could mount his  Flintlock on a top turret

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jan 19, 2018 8:33 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> To get to/from camp in style:
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthusiasts/the-ripsaw-
> ev3-f1-is-a-hellcat-powered-1500-hp-personal-off-road-
> tank/ar-AAuUSbA?li=BBnb4R5
>
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>
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Sun visor clips

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Wow - last ones I bought (for the SLC) were $8 each, and I thought that was
robbery!

On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 5:37 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin-Okiebenz via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Why the heck are sun visor clips so expensive?  They are anywhere from
> $26-40+ depending on color.
>
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for themselves."

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[MBZ] Curt needs this

[OK Don via Mercedes]

To get to/from camp in style:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthusiasts/the-ripsaw-ev3-f1-is-a-hellcat-powered-1500-hp-personal-off-road-tank/ar-AAuUSbA?li=BBnb4R5

-- 
OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[MG via Mercedes]

Only in your dreams.

MG

Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

You mean to tell me that a Unimog won't go 80 mph?

RB

On 19/01/2018 3:59 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:

Especially when those highway speeds are about 50 mph.

MG

Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

On 18/01/2018 10:48 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Well it should fit the image.

Almost all the peekups sold in the US are just wussy wagons that 
sell for 50-$60,000.


The wussywagon should be right in their image. 


What would you consider to not be a wussywagon? A Unimog?
I cannot see myself doing long trips at highway speeds in one of those.


I suggest that the 4WD 1/2 ton crew cab pickups are the best thing 
since sliced bread. Basically, a big sedan with a huge trunk. Haul 
people and/or loads of lumber etc and pull a trailer behind too if 
need be. The biggest disadvantage is parking them.


I don't need 3/4 ton capacity so not much point in hauling the extra 
weight around. Would consider a diesel if I needed it and could 
justify it but I cannot.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Andrew needs a dually truck

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I actually worked late today.

On Jan 19, 2018 5:47 PM, "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> So, do you folks think that Andrew's employment with the government has
> anything to do with the fact that he does not appear to be around on Friday
> afternoon?
> It is about 12 minutes to 5 here and I am still in my office.
>
> RB
>
> On 19/01/2018 4:20 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Grant wrote:

 Perfect !  It has "Andrew" stamped all over it... Should fit
 all the garden shop stuff nicely... and impress the
 neighbors...

>>> Is it a 1985?
>>
>> Mitch wrote:
>>>
>>> I think I might build myself an El Camino for my 55th birthday.
>>> I've been seeing reports of 2.0L Camaros doing 12.0 in the 1/4
>>> mile with minimal modifications. What if I bought one that was
>>> hit in the rear and made a carbon fiber/styrofoam truck bed for
>>> it?
>>>
>> Extra points if you put a Detroit Diesel in it an set it up so it
>> will dump huge quantities of unburned fuel out the exhaust. (roll
>> coal)  Max points if it's a 2 stroke, but even a 6.2/6.5 L will do.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Andrew needs a dually truck

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Here is your start for this monster machine, 1/4 mile coal burner, tire
shredder...

Plasma cut the bed out, lose the inner fenders, strip the floorboards out,
so it's a lightweight shell, build out a tube frame with full cage... and
have room for a truly monster dual turbo / blower 8V92 Detroit Diesel 2
stroke so you can really "roll coal" and make a show

Cubic speed equals Cubic dollars... have fun two for one price...

https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/pair-of-66-el-caminos/6461547719.html

On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 3:47 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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> So, do you folks think that Andrew's employment with the government has
> anything to do with the fact that he does not appear to be around on Friday
> afternoon?
> It is about 12 minutes to 5 here and I am still in my office.
>
> RB
>
>
> On 19/01/2018 4:20 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Grant wrote:

 Perfect !  It has "Andrew" stamped all over it... Should fit
 all the garden shop stuff nicely... and impress the
 neighbors...

>>> Is it a 1985?
>>
>> Mitch wrote:
>>>
>>> I think I might build myself an El Camino for my 55th birthday.
>>> I've been seeing reports of 2.0L Camaros doing 12.0 in the 1/4
>>> mile with minimal modifications. What if I bought one that was
>>> hit in the rear and made a carbon fiber/styrofoam truck bed for
>>> it?
>>>
>> Extra points if you put a Detroit Diesel in it an set it up so it
>> will dump huge quantities of unburned fuel out the exhaust. (roll
>> coal)  Max points if it's a 2 stroke, but even a 6.2/6.5 L will do.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Sun visor clips

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Fuse holders are a couple bucks at Radio Shack, and they work quite well.

On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 5:37 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin-Okiebenz via Mercedes <
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> Why the heck are sun visor clips so expensive?  They are anywhere from
> $26-40+ depending on color.
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[MBZ] Sun visor clips

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Why the heck are sun visor clips so expensive?  They are anywhere from 
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

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On 19/01/2018 5:16 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

I still think my wussy pickup truck is better suited to travel than the
more macho vehicles out there.

But did your pickup truck come with a heavy duty crane that can pick up 
concrete Jersey Barriers?
JimC's Mog did.
Mitch.

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Have not needed to move any of those lately, and probably won't unless I 
go into the business of liberating them in the wee dark hours of the night.


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Re: [MBZ] 126 gas pedal

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I was going to pull one off another car but they are only $4.52 on importec.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 19, 2018, at 5:17 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
> 
> Have not had this happen in a while. The part that hooks the gas pedal to the 
> rod broke loose on the SDL so the pedal is very stiff. I remember this being 
> a common thing but have not had to deal with it in a long time.
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[MBZ] 126 gas pedal

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Have not had this happen in a while. The part that hooks the gas pedal to the 
rod broke loose on the SDL so the pedal is very stiff. I remember this being a 
common thing but have not had to deal with it in a long time.

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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> I still think my wussy pickup truck it better suited to travel than the 
> more macho vehicles out there.

But did your pickup truck come with a heavy duty crane that can pick up 
concrete Jersey Barriers?
JimC's Mog did. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] unburned diesel vapor

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

That, plus tighten the lift pump, or put a new gasket behind it.  Since 
it was recently disturbed, it is the most likely source of the leak.



Fred Moir via Mercedes 
January 19, 2018 at 2:42 PM
Max.

On an 123 I'd look at the bottom or side plate for seepage.

A general check for tightness too. (A little like an after flight check).

Fred


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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

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On 19/01/2018 4:54 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 16:45:33 -0600 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 wrote:


You mean to tell me that a Unimog won't go 80 mph?

Yes, a Unimog will not go 80 MPH. 50 is about tops.


Craig

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Well, there you go. I wouldn't want to be in it if it was going 80 mph.
It is 175 miles from here to the lake and we do it often in the summer. 
I still think my wussy pickup truck it better suited to travel than the 
more macho vehicles out there.


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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

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On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 16:45:33 -0600 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
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> You mean to tell me that a Unimog won't go 80 mph?

Yes, a Unimog will not go 80 MPH. 50 is about tops.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Andrew needs a dually truck

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

So, do you folks think that Andrew's employment with the government has 
anything to do with the fact that he does not appear to be around on 
Friday afternoon?

It is about 12 minutes to 5 here and I am still in my office.

RB

On 19/01/2018 4:20 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

Grant wrote:

Perfect !  It has "Andrew" stamped all over it... Should fit
all the garden shop stuff nicely... and impress the
neighbors...

Is it a 1985?


Mitch wrote:

I think I might build myself an El Camino for my 55th birthday.
I've been seeing reports of 2.0L Camaros doing 12.0 in the 1/4
mile with minimal modifications. What if I bought one that was
hit in the rear and made a carbon fiber/styrofoam truck bed for
it?

Extra points if you put a Detroit Diesel in it an set it up so it
will dump huge quantities of unburned fuel out the exhaust. (roll
coal)  Max points if it's a 2 stroke, but even a 6.2/6.5 L will do.



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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

You mean to tell me that a Unimog won't go 80 mph?

RB

On 19/01/2018 3:59 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:

Especially when those highway speeds are about 50 mph.

MG

Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

On 18/01/2018 10:48 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Well it should fit the image.

Almost all the peekups sold in the US are just wussy wagons that 
sell for 50-$60,000.


The wussywagon should be right in their image. 


What would you consider to not be a wussywagon? A Unimog?
I cannot see myself doing long trips at highway speeds in one of those.


I suggest that the 4WD 1/2 ton crew cab pickups are the best thing 
since sliced bread. Basically, a big sedan with a huge trunk. Haul 
people and/or loads of lumber etc and pull a trailer behind too if 
need be. The biggest disadvantage is parking them.


I don't need 3/4 ton capacity so not much point in hauling the extra 
weight around. Would consider a diesel if I needed it and could 
justify it but I cannot.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Andrew needs a dually truck

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > Grant wrote:
> > 
> > Perfect !  It has "Andrew" stamped all over it... Should fit
> > all the garden shop stuff nicely... and impress the
> > neighbors...

Is it a 1985?

> Mitch wrote:
> 
> I think I might build myself an El Camino for my 55th birthday. 
> I've been seeing reports of 2.0L Camaros doing 12.0 in the 1/4
> mile with minimal modifications. What if I bought one that was
> hit in the rear and made a carbon fiber/styrofoam truck bed for
> it?

Extra points if you put a Detroit Diesel in it an set it up so it
will dump huge quantities of unburned fuel out the exhaust. (roll
coal)  Max points if it's a 2 stroke, but even a 6.2/6.5 L will do.



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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[MG via Mercedes]

Especially when those highway speeds are about 50 mph.

MG

Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

On 18/01/2018 10:48 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Well it should fit the image.

Almost all the peekups sold in the US are just wussy wagons that sell 
for 50-$60,000.


The wussywagon should be right in their image. 


What would you consider to not be a wussywagon? A Unimog?
I cannot see myself doing long trips at highway speeds in one of those.


I suggest that the 4WD 1/2 ton crew cab pickups are the best thing since 
sliced bread. Basically, a big sedan with a huge trunk. Haul people 
and/or loads of lumber etc and pull a trailer behind too if need be. The 
biggest disadvantage is parking them.


I don't need 3/4 ton capacity so not much point in hauling the extra 
weight around. Would consider a diesel if I needed it and could justify 
it but I cannot.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Andrew needs a dually truck

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> On January 19, 2018 at 3:26 PM G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Perfect !  It has "Andrew" stamped all over it... Should fit all the garden
> shop stuff nicely... and impress the neighbors...

I think I might build myself an El Camino for my 55th birthday. 
I've been seeing reports of 2.0L Camaros doing 12.0 in the 1/4 mile with 
minimal modifications. 
What if I bought one that was hit in the rear and made a carbon fiber/styrofoam 
truck bed for it?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] oops

[G Mann via Mercedes]

But. California just made pot legal. so what's the problem officer?

Watched the second video... the car just missed passage of the bus... and
other cars looks like a gaggle of cars leaving a light change were all
coming down the road moments after the car flew across the road could
have been multiple murders by vehicle... glad the timing was "just right"
on this one...

On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 12:08 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Them Duke boys were a little far from home, weren't they?  ;D
>
> -MMM-
>
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 12:07 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > https://www.ocregister.com/2018/01/15/watch-octa-bus-video-
> > of-car-that-flew-into-2nd-floor-of-building-in-santa-ana
> >
> > --FT
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Re: [MBZ] unburned diesel vapor

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Max.

On an 123 I'd look at the bottom or side plate for seepage.

A general check for tightness too. (A little like an after flight check).

Fred


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes  on behalf of Meade Dillon via 
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Sent: 19 January 2018 15:34
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Cc: Meade Dillon
Subject: Re: [MBZ] unburned diesel vapor

Yes, o-rings and steel clips vice banjo bolts or hose clamps.

However, this car is a 123 wagon with OM617, so probably not the case
here.  I'm not familiar at all with an '85 wagon, does it have a fuel
thermostat / fuel heater like OM601/2/3?

Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] unburned diesel vapor

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Yes, o-rings and steel clips vice banjo bolts or hose clamps.

However, this car is a 123 wagon with OM617, so probably not the case
here.  I'm not familiar at all with an '85 wagon, does it have a fuel
thermostat / fuel heater like OM601/2/3?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 3:13 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> I've forgotten which car this is, but don't the OM606 injection pumps have
> some fragile fuel line connectors?
>
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Re: [MBZ] RPF Minnie sooo ta

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

G Mann wrote:
> Apparently, this record freeze has been caused by the purchase of to many
> carbon credits.
> We need a federal program to buy back carbon credits so the warehoused
> cold, caused by sucking up all those carbon credits, can be released and
> warming can occur.

Gerry wrote:
Yep, that's undoubtedly the cause. Strange things happen when the weather gets 
this cold.
For example, years ago during a similar very cold winter, I bought a CB radio 
from a Canadian who had just arrived from Quebec. I plugged it into my 
cigarette lighter jack but it wouldn't work. The Canadian said that it would 
work but needed a few hours to get acclimated to the Florida climate.
 
That sounded like nonsense to me, but it was a good brand of CB radio and the 
poor guy was sweating with the temperature in the 30s, so I figured he really 
needed money and buying his CB would be the neighborly thing to do.

I took it home, plugged it in, and went to bed.
The middle of the night I started dreaming that I was in a French cafe where  
everyone was speaking French and I couldn't even order an aperitif.
 
Finally I woke up and realized that it was the CB. Even the CB talk in Quebec 
had frozen up and was just now thawing out.

Gerry 
 
> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 11:18 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > It is RPF!
> >
> > It's been cold in Minnesota... So cold, in fact, that the state has once
> > again borrowed a Norwegian Icebreaker to clear the Mississippi River.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Andrew needs a dually truck

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Perfect !  It has "Andrew" stamped all over it... Should fit all the garden
shop stuff nicely... and impress the neighbors...

On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 8:46 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180119/523e92d747905a40c31e761c561739
> 5f.jpg
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Re: [MBZ] Catastrophic Failure

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I don't know if it was for complete cars or pure steel, but the yard in Olivet 
was advertising $120/ton when I drove by this afternoon. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] unburned diesel vapor

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I've forgotten which car this is, but don't the OM606 injection pumps have some 
fragile fuel line connectors?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Catastrophic Failure

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Here, all scrapped cars go through a giant shredder, the remains then go
through sorting lines that pull out all the different metals and things
like rubber and plastic that can be sold for recycle [max return of
investment].

Sorted scrap, all shredded to pieces a certain size, brings a max dollar
price on the scrap steel market.

So... buy cheap... sell for max dollar... it's a multi-billion dollar
business.

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 1:50 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Current scrap values are $60/ton by me.   It is all shipped to china.  If
> you want to sell the carcass to a scrap yard, go ahead and strip most of
> the good parts you desire.  The yard will then just crush it, instead of
> trying to make bank off selling parts (PnP).
>
> As a non runner, the most you could get might be $300-500 as a parts car.
> If you can find about that much in parts you need for the other car, it is
> a wash.
>
>
> clay
>
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
>
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 18, 2018, at 6:34 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > If you want to get more than a junkyard will offer, don't remove any more
> > parts, find out how much it is worth at one or two local junkyards, and
> > then post it on BMW forum(s) asking for $100 or $200 above that, local
> > pick-up only, with some nice pix of the car and info about condition.
> Make
> > sure you include the color of the exterior and the interior, and the
> rough
> > location (zipcode?) of the car.  Post the VIN.  Let them know that you'll
> > only be holding on to it for some limited amount of time and then she
> goes
> > to the junkyard.
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks. That is what I needed to hear.  I am going to scavenge the
> parts I
> >> think I might need for future use.  But, it doesn't sound like it is
> worth
> >> to plan to remove, store, and try to sell a lot of other stuff.
>  Somebody
> >> suggested removing a few parts and then trying to sell the whole car to
> >> someone else that wants to mess with it.  That is looking like a good
> idea.
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Re: [MBZ] unburned diesel vapor

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Karl sez:

>‎It is coming off the bottom of the >injection pump somehow, onto the cross
>member.

Leaking delivery seal dribbling and dripping off the injection pump.

Rick
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[MBZ] this one was on the same page

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Check out this video:

WATCH: Heart-stopping boat collision forces fishermen to jump ship
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Re: [MBZ] RPF Minnie sooo ta

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Apparently, this record freeze has been caused by the purchase of to many
carbon credits.
We need a federal program to buy back carbon credits so the warehoused
cold, caused by sucking up all those carbon credits, can be released and
warming can occur.

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 11:18 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It is RPF!
>
> It's been cold in Minnesota... So cold, in fact, that the state has once
> again borrowed a Norwegian Icebreaker to clear the Mississippi River.
>
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Re: [MBZ] unburned diesel vapor

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

It is coming off the bottom of the injection pump somehow, onto the cross
member. Leaving little puddles everywhere I park. I will have a closer look
this weekend. The lift pump is new but maybe I need to tighten it.

On Jan 17, 2018 1:51 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You need a contest to guess the source, with an appropriate reward.
>
> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 4:25 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Take a couple paper towels and tape them flat over the injectors, the
> > metal lines and the return lines. Run the engine for a couple minutes, it
> > should help narrow down the issue pretty quick.
> > Are the clamps in place on the metal lines? They'll vibrate and break if
> > not. Thats pretty obvious when its happening, in the dark shine a light
> > over the engine bay, the rainbow is pretty easy to spot.
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, January 17, 2018, 2:15:16 PM EST, Karl Wittnebel via
> > Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> >  85 300td is leaking diesel somewhere, but motor and pump are dry under
> > hood.  Have been noticing smell for a week or so. Parking at work today I
> > noticed a vapor coming up out of the left-sided Fender Hood joint which
> > smelled like unburned diesel but looked like smoke. This is the same
> smell
> > I've been noticing on the road. Seem to potentially be a small fuel
> puddle
> > under where the injection pump is also when left running in park, but I
> > dont see the dripping . I don't see anything coming off the filter
> > associated fittings nothing off the return lines on the injectors nothing
> > off the hard injector lines on the pump, and I'm a bit confused as to
> where
> > this is all coming from. It almost must be one of the main supply lines
> to
> > the injection pump. Anybody have this syndrome before? Maybe a high
> > pressure line leak vaporizing the diesel? It is running fine, no miss.
> >
> > Thanks for any thoughts,
> > Karl
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Re: [MBZ] Regina needs this

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On January 19, 2018 at 1:55 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I did the shipping estimate thing on their site to my mothers house which is 
> about an hour away and it was $200. Guess I could have it sent there. If you 
> do that, do you just pay online and all that and they send the car? So in 
> other words you don’t have to be there? 

I'd call them and see how they handle the title paperwork when you do that. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] oops

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Them Duke boys were a little far from home, weren't they?  ;D

-MMM-

On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 12:07 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> https://www.ocregister.com/2018/01/15/watch-octa-bus-video-
> of-car-that-flew-into-2nd-floor-of-building-in-santa-ana
>
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] Regina needs this

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I did the shipping estimate thing on their site to my mothers house which is 
about an hour away and it was $200. Guess I could have it sent there. If you do 
that, do you just pay online and all that and they send the car? So in other 
words you don’t have to be there? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 18, 2018, at 7:47 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>  
> You can always call them if you have questions about drivability of the car 
> or pickup/storage concerns. 
> 
> Flatbed to Denham Springs is $139 and CoPart will handle the arrangements, 
> the same as it costs from Ionia to me. They must have a minimum charge that 
> covers the first 50 miles or so. 
> 
> Phone:
> (225) 261-0102
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[MBZ] oops

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/01/15/watch-octa-bus-video-of-car-that-flew-into-2nd-floor-of-building-in-santa-ana

--FT


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Re: [MBZ] Build your own electronics

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 23:23:22 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> IF you can design the board and send them the design.
> 
> But someone amongst us might build reproductions or problem solvers for 
> old MBs.
> 
> Audrino projects? Raspberry pi?

One of their sister sites:

https://easyeda.com/

An Easier EDA Experience

Do circuit simulation, PCB design, Electronic circuit design online for
free.


Other resources are:

http://www.expresspcb.com/
http://www.pcbexpress.com/
http://www.quickturnpcb.co.kr/index.php


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Build your own electronics

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 23:23:22 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Found this in fakebuch ads:
> 
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> 🔥48 Hours Quick Turn, 2-3 days DHL Delivery
> 🔥Order Now➡️https://jlcpcb.com/
> 💖A fast and low cost way to test your design.
> 
> $2 for 10 prototype printed circuit boards.   Seems like a deal to 
> me...IF you can design the board and send them the design.

https://support.jlcpcb.com/article/13-who-is-jlcpcb

Who is JLCPCB?

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than 200,000 customers at home and abroad, with over 8,000 online orders
of PCB prototyping and small quantity PCB production per day. The annual
production capacity is 200,000 sq.m. for various of 1-layer, 2-layer or
multi-layer PCBs. JLC is a professional PCB manufacturer featured of
large scale, well equipment, strict management and superior quality.


https://support.jlcpcb.com/article/53-is-my-payment-information-safe

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Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

The Mercedes Sprinter factory around here is expanding, I vaguely recall 
something about these things might be built there.


--FT


On 1/18/18 6:15 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

Thats ok, you can still buy one of these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o77XBO9QHlU


On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


No truck, no camper.


https://www.amlu.com/2018/01/18/not-coming-soon-mercedes-benz-x-class-campers/?utm_source=MailingList&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2018-01-nltr06



--FT


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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 18/01/2018 10:48 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Well it should fit the image.

Almost all the peekups sold in the US are just wussy wagons that sell 
for 50-$60,000.


The wussywagon should be right in their image. 


What would you consider to not be a wussywagon? A Unimog?
I cannot see myself doing long trips at highway speeds in one of those.


I suggest that the 4WD 1/2 ton crew cab pickups are the best thing since 
sliced bread. Basically, a big sedan with a huge trunk. Haul people 
and/or loads of lumber etc and pull a trailer behind too if need be. The 
biggest disadvantage is parking them.


I don't need 3/4 ton capacity so not much point in hauling the extra 
weight around. Would consider a diesel if I needed it and could justify 
it but I cannot.


RB

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[MBZ] OT: Andrew needs a dually truck

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180119/523e92d747905a40c31e761c5617395f.jpg

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Re: [MBZ] Catastrophic Failure

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I'm pretty sure I can get $300-500 worth of parts off it for my current car.   
I just noticed my rotors are pulsating when I exit off the highway.  But, now 
that I think about it, rotors might not be something I want to swap onto the 
car. 

Don Snook 


-Original Message-
From: clay monroe [mailto:redgh...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 2:51 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Catastrophic Failure

Current scrap values are $60/ton by me.   It is all shipped to china.  If you 
want to sell the carcass to a scrap yard, go ahead and strip most of the good 
parts you desire.  The yard will then just crush it, instead of trying to make 
bank off selling parts (PnP).   

As a non runner, the most you could get might be $300-500 as a parts car.  If 
you can find about that much in parts you need for the other car, it is a wash.


clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - 
Beware Nigerian Scammers






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Re: [MBZ] e300 cruise control

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I think I remember from working at the dealership, that the stalk that controls 
all that can go bad.  There is a switch inside the wheel that fails and when it 
goes bad all sorts of things run through it and it causes weird failures.   

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Floyd Thursby [mailto:buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 1:44 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] e300 cruise control

My 96 chebby truck has started doing this exact same thing the last week or 
two, and some occasional wonky buzzing and lights on the instrument cluster, 
and it cuts out when I change the fan speed or put on the wipers (which are 
controlled by that same stalk switch).  If the switch is on, and I have tried 
to engage it and it won't, it will then try to cut in which also feels like the 
engine is missing and it jerks a bit. I'm thinking there is a bad ground or 
short somewhere that is leaking electrons and messing with the CC brain or 
actuator or something, whatever is in there. That will be fun to chase down 
when it warms up a bit.

--FT

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