Re: [MBZ] ND compressor reseal

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

 Century Air. 

http://www.centuryautoair.com/

   
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Re: [MBZ] FML Tuesday

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

But I could have drug this home for what I spent

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/2006-mercedes-r350-4matic-low/6536432138.html

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> On Mar 20, 2018, at 7:22 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
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> Clay sez:
> 
>> The weight of three old cars has come >crashing down on my wallet.
> 
> Time for a W210. 
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] FML Tuesday

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

NEVER


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1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers

> On Mar 20, 2018, at 7:22 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
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> Clay sez:
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>> The weight of three old cars has come >crashing down on my wallet.
> 
> Time for a W210. 
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] The good old days.

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On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 22:18:03 -0400 Michael Esh via Mercedes
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> Hope this photo gets through. 

Nope.


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Re: [MBZ] FML Tuesday

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Clay sez:

>The weight of three old cars has come >crashing down on my wallet.

Time for a W210. 

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[MBZ] ND compressor reseal

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Where did you find the reseal kits for ND compressors?


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[MBZ] The good old days.

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

Hope this photo gets through. 
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[MBZ] Inexpensive Classic - not 107

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/1971-chevrolet-vega/6534099282.html

Wow, and it is not even a roadster

clay 

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1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
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Re: [MBZ] I wonder if this is worth messing with

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Well the heather works,so that is good.

Dwight Giles Jr.
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> 1979 Mercedes Benz Diesel 300td 150k miles obo
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Re: [MBZ] I wonder if this is worth messing with

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Heather works!   I did not see any pictures of Heather.   If you have to 
take Heather with the car, it may be a bad deal.  Sure to cause trouble 
with SWMBO.


Houston car!  Beware!

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Re: [MBZ] Poos next car

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Re: [MBZ] 400E Catch Up

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Strong work. Making me feel bad. 

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> http://penoff.com/400E_Blog/Entries/2018/3/20_Playing_Catch_Up.html
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Re: [MBZ] Poos next car

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MY EYES  MAKE IT STOP

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Re: [MBZ] Poos next car

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Should be,a capital offense for who ever did this.

Dwight Giles Jr.
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[MBZ] Poos next car

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[MBZ] FML Tuesday

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Not really.  I am just feeling sorry for myself.

The weight of three old cars has come crashing down on my wallet.  The SL is 
getting all new injectors, which is a wonderful long term investment.  It will 
not really increase her value, much.  The Europa actually getting signal is 
really nice and now she looks really stock and …. pretty.  She will want fresh 
Bilsteins down the road, a fresh compressor and AC flush, and a fresh soft top.

The SDL is running strong.  Biggest issue is the creeping tin worm all over.  
An issue for another day.

The SD was just ransomed from the shop.  Seems the brakes were toast, but are 
not anymore.  All new calipers, shoes and pads.  Now she really does stop.  
There was the issue with a hard start and no manual shut off.  Now it will not 
be able to run away and blow up.  And she has a bit more power.

She also has a fresh set of upper control arms and some other suspension 
bushings.  I was not aware of the need.  I will still need new tie rod ends, 
but that will wait until there is fresh rubber on the refinished bundts.  I 
might as well have an alignment at that point.  

This being the first official visit to the indy, there were an assortment of 
points I had missed.  The AC comperessor seems to be having bearing or other 
troubles.  It does not kick off, just runs all the time.  I did not see that as 
trouble, but indy pulled the contacts so the thing does not implode.  There is 
also a leaky seal at the compressor allowing freon to seep out.

There is no such thing as a cheap Mercedes.  We all know that.  I am just 
chapped at the expense, which is equal to the assortment of available silver 
stars I could have picked up instead.  Thankfully not enough room at the in to 
add more.  Though there was a w129 and a few R107 that would be fun to 
transplant the OM603 into for about what I spent fixing up the SD. 



clay 

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1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

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1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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[MBZ] Hey Andrew!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

What are you doing in Montana?  Lousy time of the year to be visiting, unless 
you’re looking to ski…

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[MBZ] 400E Catch Up

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Lots of piddly stuff since late last week.  Starting to get to a point where 
things are nearly all done.

http://penoff.com/400E_Blog/Entries/2018/3/20_Playing_Catch_Up.html

-D


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Re: [MBZ] Congrats to Jaime, AGAIN

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Maybe you can drive it to the ChowdahQ?
Great article.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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> Thanks All, it was great to have the chance to document the car in this
> way!
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>
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> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 4:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> > Like toilet paper?
> >
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> > > On Mar 20, 2018, at 3:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have far better things to spend my money on, that’s for sure.
> > >
> > > Nice article, though.
> > >
> > > -D
> > >
> > >> On Mar 20, 2018, at 4:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> > >> I didn’t know anybody still read that thing.
> > >>
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> his
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> 1959
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Re: [MBZ] Congrats to Jaime, AGAIN

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Thanks All, it was great to have the chance to document the car in this way!

Jaime


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> Like toilet paper?
>
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> > On Mar 20, 2018, at 3:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have far better things to spend my money on, that’s for sure.
> >
> > Nice article, though.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Mar 20, 2018, at 4:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I didn’t know anybody still read that thing.
> >>
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> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The current (Mar-Apr) issue of THE STAR features our own Jaime and his
> article, "Perfectly Preserved Ponton"  about finding and resoting his 1959
> 219, which, incidentally  is GREEN!
> >>>
> >>> Congratulations, Jaime, once again!   Keep up the good work.
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Re: [MBZ] Poos or Jaime needs this

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Wow, crispy

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> On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 18:11:59 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
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> > 1963 Mercedes Benz 220S
> >
> > https://sanantonio.craigslist.org/cto/d/1963-mercedes-benz-
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>
>
> "Car is in good shape."
>
> Really? I'd hate to see what poor shape looks like.
>
>
> "Interior needs work, but good foundation to work with."
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> Yes, if you pull it all out and start over ...
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Re: [MBZ] I wonder if this is worth messing with

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Yea. It looks like it has surface rust but maybe no rot

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> On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 18:09:10 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
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>> 1979 Mercedes Benz Diesel 300td 150k miles obo
>> 
>> https://houston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1979-mercedes-benz-diesel/6533088924.html
> 
> It has the failed hood paint that the '82 240D/3.0 has.
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Re: [MBZ] Interesting Variant of the 450SL

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On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 18:06:33 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
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> Bingo!

Are you implying there is no difference?


Craig


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> > On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 16:02:06 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
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> >> https://www.mbca.org/classified-ad/1979-Hercedes-Benz-450-SL-7345698
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> > What's variant about it?
> > 
> > I.e., what's the difference between a Hercedes and a Mercedes?

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Re: [MBZ] Poos or Jaime needs this

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 wrote:

> 1963 Mercedes Benz 220S
> 
> https://sanantonio.craigslist.org/cto/d/1963-mercedes-benz-220s/6536691302.html


"Car is in good shape."

Really? I'd hate to see what poor shape looks like.


"Interior needs work, but good foundation to work with."

Yes, if you pull it all out and start over ...


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Re: [MBZ] I wonder if this is worth messing with

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> 1979 Mercedes Benz Diesel 300td 150k miles obo
> 
> https://houston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1979-mercedes-benz-diesel/6533088924.html

It has the failed hood paint that the '82 240D/3.0 has.


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[MBZ] Poos or Jaime needs this

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

1963 Mercedes Benz 220S

https://sanantonio.craigslist.org/cto/d/1963-mercedes-benz-220s/6536691302.html


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[MBZ] I wonder if this is worth messing with

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

1979 Mercedes Benz Diesel 300td 150k miles obo

https://houston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1979-mercedes-benz-diesel/6533088924.html


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Re: [MBZ] M116 exhaust

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Perhaps, but that was too many years ago  . . .

On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 9:53 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> It appears that the exhaust manifold gaskets for the M116/117 are one
> gasket for each cyl, not one left and one right, with 4 cyl each.
>
> Is this correct?  OKLAHOMA boys?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Interesting Variant of the 450SL

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Rofl. You got me.

On Mar 20, 2018 6:06 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
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> Bingo!
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Mar 20, 2018, at 5:31 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 16:02:06 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> https://www.mbca.org/classified-ad/1979-Hercedes-Benz-450-SL-7345698
> >
> > What's variant about it?
> >
> > I.e., what's the difference between a Hercedes and a Mercedes?
> >
> >
> > Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Removing 240D rear Seat Back

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

You'd really have to crush a W123 very badly to rupture the tank since it's 
inside the "no crush zone" of the passenger compartment.

This is true of well for earlier models as the floor of the turn folds upward 
and the tank itself is in a very strong "box" of frame members.  

The tank behind the seat was a big safety thing in those days, and car fires in 
Mercedes after collisions are very, very rare.

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Re: [MBZ] Interesting Variant of the 450SL

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Bingo!

-D


> On Mar 20, 2018, at 5:31 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 16:02:06 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
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> 
>> https://www.mbca.org/classified-ad/1979-Hercedes-Benz-450-SL-7345698
> 
> What's variant about it?
> 
> I.e., what's the difference between a Hercedes and a Mercedes?
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Lt Don Wonko 240d

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

    Way back when in time when I had my '79 240D it had stock GP system 
with the big "W" shaped connectors and the OE GPs - everything was very 
inefficient.  Plus the GP Relay started acting up and it would turn the 
GPs on at random times when driving.  I'd see my headlights go dim for a 
few seconds and knew my GPs had just cycled.


    I bought a Kit from Rusty with 5 Pencil Type GPs, connecting wires 
and a new Relay.  Made a 100% + difference in the way it started.  But 
it was the whole package of parts - modern GPs, wiring and most 
importantly (IMO) the new Relay.


    Max may be right about the connectors being resisters, but they 
were such a large diameter I never realized they were resisters.  I 
thought the large dia. was to encourage the flow of electrons to the 
next GP in line...


YMMV,

LarryT

79 240D (Gone)

91 300D (In Limbo)

06 E350 (Still wish it was a dissel).



On 03/18/2018 4:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

In the parallel style 12 volts go to each one, correct? Will the toaster wires 
work with the pencil style plugs or does it need the loop style?

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wrote:

I think the toaster wires were resisters (Resist! LT Don clearly needed those 
for this chapter of our nation) and the last one #1 was tied to ground, so each 
plug only saw a few volts.
--
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'87 300TD
'95 E300


On March 18, 2018 3:56:08 PM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
I’m sure it probably needs a valve adjustment. All the conversions I
have seen have the jumper wires installed. The original style had the
toaster wires which I guess works the same doesn’t it?

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On Mar 18, 2018, at 2:54 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes

 wrote:

One wire to each plug?

Valve adjustment?

Fred.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lt Don Wonko 240d

After messing with it off and on for 2-3 days if finally roared to

life with a huge puff of diesel smoke. The original loop plugs were
updated to the pencil style with the main power wire coming in and
jumper wires connecting each plug. It just did not seem like the plugs
were getting hot enough to me. With the plugs running it measured 11.x
volts at the plug closest to the firewall and down to 10.x and the
front one. It just doesn’t seem like the plugs are getting enough juice
to me. I have cranked on it till battery ran down several times and it
seemed like maybe 1 cylinder was trying to fire. I ended up just taking
a pair of jumper cables from the battery and hooking it to the

Front plug. After much cranking it finally started. Not really sure

how these loop plug conversions are supposed to work

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Re: [MBZ] Interesting Variant of the 450SL

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 16:02:06 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> https://www.mbca.org/classified-ad/1979-Hercedes-Benz-450-SL-7345698

What's variant about it?

I.e., what's the difference between a Hercedes and a Mercedes?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Interesting Variant of the 450SL

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Many of the older classics are selling in the Star classified for BAT final
prices

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 4:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> You referring to the color combination?
>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 4:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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>> https://www.mbca.org/classified-ad/1979-Hercedes-Benz-450-SL-7345698
>>
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Interesting Variant of the 450SL

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You referring to the color combination?

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> https://www.mbca.org/classified-ad/1979-Hercedes-Benz-450-SL-7345698
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Re: [MBZ] Congrats to Jaime, AGAIN

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Like toilet paper?

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> On Mar 20, 2018, at 3:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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> 
> I have far better things to spend my money on, that’s for sure.
> 
> Nice article, though.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Mar 20, 2018, at 4:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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>> I didn’t know anybody still read that thing. 
>> 
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>>> 
>>> The current (Mar-Apr) issue of THE STAR features our own Jaime and his 
>>> article, "Perfectly Preserved Ponton"  about finding and resoting his 1959 
>>> 219, which, incidentally  is GREEN!
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Congrats to Jaime, AGAIN

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Can you imagine what that would do for the BAT value if he ever sold? That car 
is his kid’s college fund…

-D

 
> On Mar 20, 2018, at 4:11 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> 
> I have far better things to spend my money on, that’s for sure.
> 
> Nice article, though.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Mar 20, 2018, at 4:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I didn’t know anybody still read that thing. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> The current (Mar-Apr) issue of THE STAR features our own Jaime and his 
>>> article, "Perfectly Preserved Ponton"  about finding and resoting his 1959 
>>> 219, which, incidentally  is GREEN!
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Congrats to Jaime, AGAIN

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I have far better things to spend my money on, that’s for sure.

Nice article, though.

-D

> On Mar 20, 2018, at 4:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> I didn’t know anybody still read that thing. 
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> 
>> The current (Mar-Apr) issue of THE STAR features our own Jaime and his 
>> article, "Perfectly Preserved Ponton"  about finding and resoting his 1959 
>> 219, which, incidentally  is GREEN!
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Congrats to Jaime, AGAIN

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I didn’t know anybody still read that thing. 

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> 219, which, incidentally  is GREEN!
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[MBZ] Interesting Variant of the 450SL

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

https://www.mbca.org/classified-ad/1979-Hercedes-Benz-450-SL-7345698

-D

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Re: [MBZ] Congrats to Jaime, AGAIN

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

never mind.  Is that moss grun?

https://www.mbca.org/star/march-april-2018

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> Anybody got a link?  I don't get the Star anymore...
>
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> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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>> The current (Mar-Apr) issue of THE STAR features our own Jaime and his
>> article, "Perfectly Preserved Ponton"  about finding and resoting his 1959
>> 219, which, incidentally  is GREEN!
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Congrats to Jaime, AGAIN

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Anybody got a link?  I don't get the Star anymore...

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> The current (Mar-Apr) issue of THE STAR features our own Jaime and his
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> 219, which, incidentally  is GREEN!
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[MBZ] Congrats to Jaime, AGAIN

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The current (Mar-Apr) issue of THE STAR features our own Jaime and his 
article, "Perfectly Preserved Ponton"  about finding and resoting his 
1959 219, which, incidentally  is GREEN!


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Re: [MBZ] M116 Popcorn

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I'm still guessing rodent when the plug was out.  I'll never know.


Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
March 20, 2018 at 11:58 AM
That is just too weird. A mean joke by someone?

RB




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Re: [MBZ] M116 Popcorn

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

That is just too weird. A mean joke by someone?

RB

On 20/03/2018 11:41 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Not at that time, but it does now, after I got a long blowgun and blew 
out all 8 cyl.



tyee165 via Mercedes 
March 20, 2018 at 7:35 AM
So does it turn over now?



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Re: [MBZ] M116 Popcorn

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Not at that time, but it does now, after I got a long blowgun and blew 
out all 8 cyl.



tyee165 via Mercedes 
March 20, 2018 at 7:35 AM
So does it turn over now?



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Re: [MBZ] OT Whirlpool warrant support

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yeah, I’ve used that, too.

-D

> On Mar 20, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> CL even has a heading where Free Stuff is listed - usually on a "Come and get 
> it" basis - if it's free, someone wants it.
> LarryT
> 
> On 03/19/2018 3:32 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> Amazing what people will scrounge...
>> 
>> However, I had five 4 foot shop light fixtures, four of them with lamps. I 
>> put them out the night before trash day twice, and they were left untouched. 
>>  I forgot to pick them up the second time, and when the lawn guys came by to 
>> do my neighbor’s lawn the next day they picked them up
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Custom 123 bumper

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

If the power goes out, one still needs to swap that engine.

RB

On 20/03/2018 11:32 AM, MG via Mercedes wrote:

"Includes hand crank"

MG

OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

I wonder what power it needs - - -

On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 6:50 PM, Craig via Mercedes 


wrote:



Yeah, but what you really need is this:

https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/hvo/d/airplane-
engine-hoist-wwii/6534314079.html


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Re: [MBZ] Custom 123 bumper

[MG via Mercedes]

"Includes hand crank"

MG

OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

I wonder what power it needs - - -

On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 6:50 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
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Yeah, but what you really need is this:

https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/hvo/d/airplane-
engine-hoist-wwii/6534314079.html


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Re: [MBZ] OT Whirlpool warrant support

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

CL even has a heading where Free Stuff is listed - usually on a "Come 
and get it" basis - if it's free, someone wants it.

LarryT

On 03/19/2018 3:32 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Amazing what people will scrounge...

However, I had five 4 foot shop light fixtures, four of them with lamps. I put 
them out the night before trash day twice, and they were left untouched.  I 
forgot to pick them up the second time, and when the lawn guys came by to do my 
neighbor’s lawn the next day they picked them up

-D


On Mar 19, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:

On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 19:31:29 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:


Kind of like the leaking 80 gallon water heater I had in my basement in
the house in Indianapolis.  Couldn’t get anyone to remove it when the
new one was installed, so I put it on CL for free.  Within an hour I
had a scrap guy and his son come get it.  They hauled it up the stairs
(which had a bend, making it a real PITA) and didn’t even bang up the
walls in the process.

When we were remodeling our house in Los Alamos, we put the carpeting on
freecycle and people came to get them. They rolled up the carpets and
hauled them out of the house and took them away. It worked very well and
eliminated a lot of work for us (and me, particularly, who had neck
surgery recently at the time).


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Removing 240D rear Seat Back

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Many thanks to Dan, Kaleb, and others. I looked under the armrest but missed it.
Gerry

Dan Penoff wrote:
> If there were bolts in the trunk they would be sticking into the fuel tank.
> The only bolts on the rear upper seat cushion in a W123 are the outboard ones 
> and the center one below the center armrest.  Once these are removed you just 
> have to lift up sharply to disengage the hook along the top of the seat frame.
 -D
> 
> > On Mar 20, 2018, at 9:44 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Check in the trunk for protruding bolts if you haven't already done so..
> > 
> > On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 11:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Remove screw in middle too
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >>> On Mar 19, 2018, at 10:35 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Listers:
> >>> Can someone tell me how to remove the back of the back seat from an '83
> >> 240D? I  removed the seat bottom with no trouble, and took out the small
> >> screw out at the lower corners of the back, but it doesn't want to slide up
> >> out of the slots that hold it, if I remember correctly.
> >>> The left side seems loose in the slot, and will come up part way, but
> >> the right one seems to be stuck.
> >>> This car was picked up in Germany and has several things that those sold
> >> in the U.S. don't have, but it seems like the seats would be the same.
> >>> I'm trying to do a Martha on it.
> >>> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Removing 240D rear Seat Back

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

124 also has the fuel tank in trunk behind the back seat.

Probably about the safest place to put the tank, between rear wheels and
big crush area behind it.  A collision severe enough to damage the fuel
tank in that location is likely going to be too severe for any passenger to
survive, so if they are made into crispy critters after the collision, they
probably won't feel it.

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Re: [MBZ] Removing 240D rear Seat Back

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Does it help calling it the front of the trunk, furthest from an impact?
Same place.

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Re: [MBZ] Removing 240D rear Seat Back

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I thought that was a fire hazard in the case of a rear end collision.

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 10:17 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
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> W115 tanks (and earlier?) are under the trunk floor.  W123 tanks are behind
> the rear seat.  Same as W126, R/C107, W201, and (I think) W210.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Removing 240D rear Seat Back

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W115 tanks (and earlier?) are under the trunk floor.  W123 tanks are behind
the rear seat.  Same as W126, R/C107, W201, and (I think) W210.

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Re: [MBZ] Removing 240D rear Seat Back

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Wagon fuel tanks yes, sedan fuel tanks no.

-
Max
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On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 9:59 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> Isn't the fuel tank UNDER the trunk floor?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Removing 240D rear Seat Back

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Isn't the fuel tank UNDER the trunk floor?

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 9:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> If there were bolts in the trunk they would be sticking into the fuel tank.
>
> The only bolts on the rear upper seat cushion in a W123 are the outboard
> ones and the center one below the center armrest.  Once these are removed
> you just have to lift up sharply to disengage the hook along the top of the
> seat frame.
>
> -D
>
> > On Mar 20, 2018, at 9:44 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Check in the trunk for protruding bolts if you haven't already done so..
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 11:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Remove screw in middle too
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Mar 19, 2018, at 10:35 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Listers:
> >>> Can someone tell me how to remove the back of the back seat from an '83
> >> 240D? I  removed the seat bottom with no trouble, and took out the small
> >> screw out at the lower corners of the back, but it doesn't want to
> slide up
> >> out of the slots that hold it, if I remember correctly.
> >>> The left side seems loose in the slot, and will come up part way, but
> >> the right one seems to be stuck.
> >>> This car was picked up in Germany and has several things that those
> sold
> >> in the U.S. don't have, but it seems like the seats would be the same.
> >>> I'm trying to do a Martha on it.
> >>> Gerry
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[MBZ] GREEN (?) '73 Jag XJ6 on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I guess "green sand" has a more melodious sound than "babysh*t yellow".
Wonder how high this will go.  The videos are compelling, so I'm going to
say $15xxx.  With a new hood pad add $1k to the final bid.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-jaguar-xj6-2/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2018-03-20
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Re: [MBZ] Removing 240D rear Seat Back

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

If there were bolts in the trunk they would be sticking into the fuel tank.

The only bolts on the rear upper seat cushion in a W123 are the outboard ones 
and the center one below the center armrest.  Once these are removed you just 
have to lift up sharply to disengage the hook along the top of the seat frame.

-D

> On Mar 20, 2018, at 9:44 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Check in the trunk for protruding bolts if you haven't already done so..
> 
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 11:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Remove screw in middle too
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 19, 2018, at 10:35 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Listers:
>>> Can someone tell me how to remove the back of the back seat from an '83
>> 240D? I  removed the seat bottom with no trouble, and took out the small
>> screw out at the lower corners of the back, but it doesn't want to slide up
>> out of the slots that hold it, if I remember correctly.
>>> The left side seems loose in the slot, and will come up part way, but
>> the right one seems to be stuck.
>>> This car was picked up in Germany and has several things that those sold
>> in the U.S. don't have, but it seems like the seats would be the same.
>>> I'm trying to do a Martha on it.
>>> Gerry
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W123 horn fuse 1983 300TD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

And the second is that an optical horn is not the "horn".

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 5:21 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> So the first and foremost admonition is to CHANGE YOUR FUSES!
>
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Mar 19, 2018, at 9:33 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > When I got home I noticed I had no seat belt warning buzzer.  Replaced
> > blown fuse 14 (similar functions on the same circuit) and horn awoke.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 5:57 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Be careful what you wish for.
> >> Are you sure you want Andrew down there?
> >>
> >> RB
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 19/03/2018 4:54 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You need to move further south into more genteel regions where seldom
> is
> >>> heard a discouraging horn...
> >>>
> >>> Except we are getting flooded now with Ohioans and Massholes who don't
> >>> have such genteel ways...
> >>>
> >>> --FT
> >>>
> >>>
>  On 3/19/18 4:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>  It's strange driving around without one. Makes me super cautious.  It
> had
>  been a little hoarse but never silent like this before.
> 
>  On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 4:33 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  It is the horn that flashes in the optical nerves of those ahead of
> you.
> >
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >
> >> March 19, 2018 at 3:30 PM
> >>
> >> My horn went completely silent while I was away. Is this what's
> called
> >> the
> >> "optical horn" that shares the same circuit as the w/s wipers?
> >>
> >> Andrew
> >> 1983 300TD has lost it's voice
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Re: [MBZ] Removing 240D rear Seat Back

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Check in the trunk for protruding bolts if you haven't already done so..

On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 11:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> Remove screw in middle too
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 19, 2018, at 10:35 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Listers:
> > Can someone tell me how to remove the back of the back seat from an '83
> 240D? I  removed the seat bottom with no trouble, and took out the small
> screw out at the lower corners of the back, but it doesn't want to slide up
> out of the slots that hold it, if I remember correctly.
> > The left side seems loose in the slot, and will come up part way, but
> the right one seems to be stuck.
> > This car was picked up in Germany and has several things that those sold
> in the U.S. don't have, but it seems like the seats would be the same.
> > I'm trying to do a Martha on it.
> > Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] M116 Popcorn

[tyee165 via Mercedes]

So does it turn over now?


Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
 Original message From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 Date: 2018-03-15  3:34 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
Discussion List  Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] M116 Popcorn 
It gets more weird.

I just took apart the intake.  No signs of popcorn or meeces anywhere.  
I have the upper and lower intakes off.  The engine is bare down to the 
valley of the casting.  Looking in the intake port of the valve, no 
signs of popcorn.  So the plug must have been taken out and popcorn put 
in at some time.

Strange!   Very strange!
> Curley McLain 
> March 13, 2018 at 8:23 PM
> No, it came back out the plug hole.  I wish I had my blow gun with the 
> 12" tube here.   That would make blowing out the combustion chambers 
> easier.  If the intake valve was open, the exhaust would be closed.
>
> If someone wants to send me an old android smartfone, I can look 
> inside with a borescope.   It has no software for ifone, so there is 
> no way to turn the light on unless I can get an android.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] W123 horn fuse 1983 300TD

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So the first and foremost admonition is to CHANGE YOUR FUSES!

--R
Sent from iPhone

> On Mar 19, 2018, at 9:33 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> When I got home I noticed I had no seat belt warning buzzer.  Replaced
> blown fuse 14 (similar functions on the same circuit) and horn awoke.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 5:57 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Be careful what you wish for.
>> Are you sure you want Andrew down there?
>> 
>> RB
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 19/03/2018 4:54 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> You need to move further south into more genteel regions where seldom is
>>> heard a discouraging horn...
>>> 
>>> Except we are getting flooded now with Ohioans and Massholes who don't
>>> have such genteel ways...
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>> 
 On 3/19/18 4:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
 
 It's strange driving around without one. Makes me super cautious.  It had
 been a little hoarse but never silent like this before.
 
 On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 4:33 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 It is the horn that flashes in the optical nerves of those ahead of you.
> 
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> 
>> March 19, 2018 at 3:30 PM
>> 
>> My horn went completely silent while I was away. Is this what's called
>> the
>> "optical horn" that shares the same circuit as the w/s wipers?
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 1983 300TD has lost it's voice
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Re: [MBZ] W123 horn fuse 1983 300TD

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

Nice job Andrew!




> On Mar 19, 2018, at 9:33 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> When I got home I noticed I had no seat belt warning buzzer.  Replaced
> blown fuse 14 (similar functions on the same circuit) and horn awoke.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 5:57 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Be careful what you wish for.
>> Are you sure you want Andrew down there?
>> 
>> RB
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 19/03/2018 4:54 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> You need to move further south into more genteel regions where seldom is
>>> heard a discouraging horn...
>>> 
>>> Except we are getting flooded now with Ohioans and Massholes who don't
>>> have such genteel ways...
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>> 
 On 3/19/18 4:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
 
 It's strange driving around without one. Makes me super cautious.  It had
 been a little hoarse but never silent like this before.
 
 On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 4:33 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 It is the horn that flashes in the optical nerves of those ahead of you.
> 
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> 
>> March 19, 2018 at 3:30 PM
>> 
>> My horn went completely silent while I was away. Is this what's called
>> the
>> "optical horn" that shares the same circuit as the w/s wipers?
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 1983 300TD has lost it's voice
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