Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Kaleb wrote:

> Cops are some of the worst with safe handling of weapons and
> accuracy hitting targets. 

Maybe that's because they "have to", while the rest of the
citizens generally don't carry or shoot unless they have at least
some passion for it.


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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

> 
> Your problem, will be the "well trained" issue.
> 
There are not many commercial shooting ranges that will allow the type of 
training that's really needed, at least not with live ammo.


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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

> ...Most cops (especially city cops) don't know one shot one kill.  They empty 
> the
> magazine, then wonder what to do next.  ...
> 
I was trained to keep shooting until the threat was stopped.  There are few 
places where one shot will stop a determined attacker.  Caliber doesn't seem to 
matter much.  Even a fatally injured attacker may kill you before he/she loses 
consciousness.  In fairness to LEOs, they have many other things to deal with 
and few ever need to use a firearm in anger.


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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

You have to wonder how/why the perp's .38 failed.

> -Original Message-
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> Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 9:04 AM
> To: Mercedes 
> Cc: Meade Dillon 
> Subject: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day
> 
> https://www.bizpacreview.com/2018/05/13/armed-man-charges-at-mothers-
> with-kids-until-one-mom-whips-out-her-concealed-gun-and-fires-away-
> 634052
> 
> I'm guessing this lady won't be invited to appear on Oprah or The View.
> 
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> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

[G Mann via Mercedes]

One of my regular carry weapons is a FNH 5.7. Magazine holds 20 + one in
the pipe, for a total of 21, with 2 spare mags.. for a total of 61 rounds.
The 5.7 is a small very high velocity round, so it's light to carry 60
rounds. Mag change, with practice, is seamless. If 60 won't do the job,
even on a bad aim day... well...

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 8:59 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have started counting shots in westerns.  Amazing how many shots can
> come from a colt SA six shooter (in which sensible people carried only 5
> loaded unless they expected immediate trouble) in a movie.
>
> Most cops (especially city cops) don't know one shot one kill.  They empty
> the magazine, then wonder what to do next.  Hunting for food (when hungry)
> with a single shot cures that.
>
> Again, training.  Cops are trained to empty the magazine, then wonder what
> to do.
>
> Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> On May 14, 2018 at 12:50 PM Craig via Mercedes
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Trained" does not apply to the police of New York City.
>>>
>>
>> Curley touched upon it when he said that fewer and fewer LEOs are
>> shooters and hunters. In places like NYC it's virtually none of them. In
>> places like Eaton County Michigan it's more like 1/4 to 1/3 of them.
>> I recall one incident in NYC in which the suspect and two bystanders
>> caught one bullet each, out of 34 fired (two cops, two empty Glock 17s, no
>> reloads), or an on target score of almost 3%. I don't recall the details,
>> but it seems like it was a situation that didn't call for lethal force in
>> the first place.
>> Mitch.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I have started counting shots in westerns.  Amazing how many shots can 
come from a colt SA six shooter (in which sensible people carried only 5 
loaded unless they expected immediate trouble) in a movie.


Most cops (especially city cops) don't know one shot one kill.  They 
empty the magazine, then wonder what to do next.  Hunting for food (when 
hungry) with a single shot cures that.


Again, training.  Cops are trained to empty the magazine, then wonder 
what to do.


Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On May 14, 2018 at 12:50 PM Craig via Mercedes  wrote:

"Trained" does not apply to the police of New York City.


Curley touched upon it when he said that fewer and fewer LEOs are shooters and 
hunters. In places like NYC it's virtually none of them. In places like Eaton 
County Michigan it's more like 1/4 to 1/3 of them.
I recall one incident in NYC in which the suspect and two bystanders caught one 
bullet each, out of 34 fired (two cops, two empty Glock 17s, no reloads), or an 
on target score of almost 3%. I don't recall the details, but it seems like it 
was a situation that didn't call for lethal force in the first place.
Mitch.



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Re: [MBZ] OT - spent .22LR brass

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

I'm told some salvage yards will buy brass.  Not sure if there's a min 
or not.  At the range we just sweep it into the grass just so it's not 
underfoot.  Course that's more than 22s - some people pick it up if 
there is still some life in it.

LarryT.

On 05/14/2018 6:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

There's a kit to reload them if you have too much time on your hands...

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
  
   On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 12:17 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:   I bought a Ruger American .22LR rifle, and am having a blast with it. Such

that I have an ever increasing collection of spent cartridges.

What can you do with a bunch of .22LR brass???




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Re: [MBZ] I guess these are worth a lot of money?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 14 May 2018 21:13:59 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> I just thought they were ghetto

I'm not sure I would like them, either, but many apparently do.


Craig
 
> On 5/14/2018 9:13 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > On Mon, 14 May 2018 21:03:54 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> There is one on the back of that nice 560SEL I bought for $300 from
> >> copart.
> >>
> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-W126-heckblende-Authentique-Nouveau-stock-NOS-WITH-BOX-PAPERS/123133632748?hash=item1cab5620ec:g:qbYAAOSwo4pYfqMx
> >
> > Dan mentioned their cost and popularity when they came up some months
> > ago.

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Re: [MBZ] I guess these are worth a lot of money?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I just thought they were ghetto


On 5/14/2018 9:13 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Mon, 14 May 2018 21:03:54 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:


There is one on the back of that nice 560SEL I bought for $300 from
copart.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-W126-heckblende-Authentique-Nouveau-stock-NOS-WITH-BOX-PAPERS/123133632748?hash=item1cab5620ec:g:qbYAAOSwo4pYfqMx


Dan mentioned their cost and popularity when they came up some months ago.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] I guess these are worth a lot of money?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 14 May 2018 21:03:54 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> There is one on the back of that nice 560SEL I bought for $300 from
> copart.
> 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-W126-heckblende-Authentique-Nouveau-stock-NOS-WITH-BOX-PAPERS/123133632748?hash=item1cab5620ec:g:qbYAAOSwo4pYfqMx


Dan mentioned their cost and popularity when they came up some months ago.


Craig

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[MBZ] I guess these are worth a lot of money?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

There is one on the back of that nice 560SEL I bought for $300 from copart.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-W126-heckblende-Authentique-Nouveau-stock-NOS-WITH-BOX-PAPERS/123133632748?hash=item1cab5620ec:g:qbYAAOSwo4pYfqMx


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Re: [MBZ] CA Kleb Car

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 14 May 2018 17:59:38 -0700 Kevin Kraly via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Wow!! That’s $400 more than I paid for my ‘83 SD nearly 12 years ago
> and it needed many of the maintenance items already addressed on that
> car!!

It has Bilstein HD shock absorbers on the rear.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] CA Kleb Car

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

Wow!! That’s $400 more than I paid for my ‘83 SD nearly 12 years ago and it 
needed many of the maintenance items already addressed on that car!!

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> On May 14, 2018, at 3:10 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> Much preferable to "driver's foot is missing".
> Feet in shoes keep washing up on the shore in British Columbia.
> 
> RB
> 
>> On 14/05/2018 5:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> "Driver's foot rest is missing."  ??
>> 
>> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 5:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> That looks like a steal to me
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On May 14, 2018, at 4:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 Not a bad deal if as described:
 
 http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-cars-sale/
>>> 393163-fs-1985-300sd.html
 -D
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] I guess the W163 can go the distance

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Pre-dented too!  Just the thing for Regina!  :)

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[MBZ] Copart specials

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

This 300CD has seen better days:
https://www.copart.com/lot/32553718

Clean title E250 bluetec, but is the engine damaged from that crash?
https://www.copart.com/lot/25349298

ML350 Bluetec, looks nice:
https://www.copart.com/lot/34180378

Another ML350, $11k buy it now with as many miles as my ML350?
https://www.copart.com/lot/33680328

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Re: [MBZ] What the heck happened to this thing?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Just the standard US bumpers.  Its a 115


On 5/14/2018 7:04 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Tasmanian Devil?

Never saw a W114 wth those ugly-ass bumpers, either.  Can that be right?

-D



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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On May 14, 2018 at 7:50 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> That’s simply tragic.
> 
> In Florida you had better be in fear for your life and not have a means of 
> flight or exit before you pull the trigger. You don’t meet those requirements 
> and you’ll be charged.

I thought Florida was a Stand Your Ground state, not a duty to retreat state. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] What the heck happened to this thing?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Looks like a couple windows were open and an racoon moved in.

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Re: [MBZ] What the heck happened to this thing?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Tasmanian Devil?

Never saw a W114 wth those ugly-ass bumpers, either.  Can that be right?

-D


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[MBZ] What the heck happened to this thing?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That’s simply tragic.

In Florida you had better be in fear for your life and not have a means of 
flight or exit before you pull the trigger. You don’t meet those requirements 
and you’ll be charged.

-D


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> 
> 
>> On May 14, 2018 at 5:02 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Not in Florida.  If Ted Wafer shoots an intruder inside of his house and 
>> claims that he was in fear for his life, and had no means of retreat, there 
>> won’t even be charges filed.  Game over.  Ted +1, bad guy, 0.
> 
> He shot her through the door. I think it was a screen door. Either she was 
> trying to open it or he feared she was trying to open it. 
> Yep, screen door:
> http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/michigan-supreme-court-denies-appeal-in-ted-wafer-porch-shooting-trial
> 
> 19 year old ex cheerleader. Cute (or was when she was a cheerleader, which is 
> of course the pictures they used in the papers), black, drunk out of her 
> mind. Crashed her car, stumbled around in the dark for hours, may have been 
> at risk of dying of exposure by the time she pounded on his door. A few 
> people had called the cops on her in the hours before her death, but she 
> always wandered off before help arrived. Did she need killing? Nope. Did he 
> know that? Nope. Should he have known that? A jury says yes beyond a 
> reasonable doubt. 
> 
> I'm not saying he was in the right, but I am saying I've read about cops 
> whose actions were much farther off base keeping their jobs.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - spent .22LR brass

[OK Don via Mercedes]

No, we have a 65 yd range on the North side if the house. I am ready for
deer season this year though - tired of them eating the garden . . .

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> You out there shooting targets on the runway?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On May 14, 2018, at 2:17 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > I bought a Ruger American .22LR rifle, and am having a blast with it.
> Such
> > that I have an ever increasing collection of spent cartridges.
> >
> > What can you do with a bunch of .22LR brass???
> >
> > --
> > OK Don
> >
> > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many
> of
> > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> >
> > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> who
> > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> > for themselves."
> >
> > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT - spent .22LR brass

[OK Don via Mercedes]

HAHAHAHAHA - ROTFLMAO!

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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> On 14/05/2018 2:48 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Hmmm, mine are all blade fuses now, but maybe I should sell them as heavy
>> duty fuses? Too short?
>>
>> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 2:42 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Replace blown auto fuses? ;D
>>>
>>>
> Probably better to use nice new ones for fuses. They are a bit longer AND
> you will certainly know when a fuse BLOWS!
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - spent .22LR brass

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On Mon, 14 May 2018 15:27:33 -0500
Randy Bennell via Mercedes  wrote:

> On 14/05/2018 2:48 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> > Hmmm, mine are all blade fuses now, but maybe I should sell them as heavy
> > duty fuses? Too short?
> >
> > On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 2:42 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Replace blown auto fuses? ;D
> >>
> 
> Probably better to use nice new ones for fuses. They are a bit longer 
> AND you will certainly know when a fuse BLOWS!
> 
> RB
~~~
Frog Gigging Accident in Arkansas 

Two local men were seriously injured when their pickup truck left the road and 
struck a tree near Cotton Patch on state Highway 38 early Monday morning. 
Woodruff County Deputy Dovey Snyder reported the accident shortly after 
midnight Monday.

Thurston Poole, 33, of Des Arc, and Billy Ray Wallis, 38, of Little Rock, are 
listed in serious condition at Baptist Medical Center. The accident occurred as 
the two men were returning to Des Arc after a frog-gigging trip.

On an overcast Sunday night, Poole's pickup truck's headlights malfunctioned. 
The two men concluded that the headlight fuse on the older model truck had 
burned out. A replacement fuse was not available, but Wallis noticed that the 
.22 caliber bullet from his pistol fit perfectly into the fuse box next to the 
steering wheel column. Upon inserting the bullet, the headlights again began to 
operate properly and the two men proceeded on eastbound toward the White River 
Bridge.
After traveling approximately 20 miles, just before crossing the river, 
the bullet apparently overheated, discharged and struck Poole in the right 
testicle. The vehicle swerved sharply to the right, exiting the pavement and 
striking a tree. Poole suffered only minor cuts and abrasions from the accident 
but will require surgery to repair the other wound. Wallis sustained a broken 
clavicle and was treated and released.

"Thank God we weren't on that bridge when Thurston (shot his intimate parts 
off) or we might have been dead," stated Wallis. "I've been a trooper for 10 
years in this part of the world, but this is a first for me. I can't believe 
that those two would admit how the accident happened," said Snyder.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - spent .22LR brass

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

There's a kit to reload them if you have too much time on your hands...

Curt

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  On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 12:17 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:   I bought a Ruger American .22LR rifle, and am having a blast with it. 
Such
that I have an ever increasing collection of spent cartridges.

What can you do with a bunch of .22LR brass???

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Re: [MBZ] CA Kleb Car

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Much preferable to "driver's foot is missing".
Feet in shoes keep washing up on the shore in British Columbia.

RB

On 14/05/2018 5:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

"Driver's foot rest is missing."  ??

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 5:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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That looks like a steal to me

Sent from my iPhone


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Not a bad deal if as described:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-cars-sale/

393163-fs-1985-300sd.html

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Re: [MBZ] CA Kleb Car

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"Driver's foot rest is missing."  ??

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 5:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> That looks like a steal to me
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> >
> > Not a bad deal if as described:
> >
> > http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-cars-sale/
> 393163-fs-1985-300sd.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT - spent .22LR brass

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Take the empties to 7-11 for complimentary refills.

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 4:46 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 14/05/2018 3:40 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 15:27:33 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>
>> On 14/05/2018 2:48 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
 Hmmm, mine are all blade fuses now, but maybe I should sell them as
 heavy duty fuses? Too short?

 On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 2:42 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

 Replace blown auto fuses? ;D
>
> Probably better to use nice new ones for fuses. They are a bit longer
>>> AND you will certainly know when a fuse BLOWS!
>>>
>> Good one, Randy!
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] CA Kleb Car

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That looks like a steal to me

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 14, 2018, at 4:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Not a bad deal if as described:
> 
> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-cars-sale/393163-fs-1985-300sd.html
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

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> On May 14, 2018 at 5:02 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Not in Florida.  If Ted Wafer shoots an intruder inside of his house and 
> claims that he was in fear for his life, and had no means of retreat, there 
> won’t even be charges filed.  Game over.  Ted +1, bad guy, 0.

He shot her through the door. I think it was a screen door. Either she was 
trying to open it or he feared she was trying to open it. 
Yep, screen door:
http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/michigan-supreme-court-denies-appeal-in-ted-wafer-porch-shooting-trial

19 year old ex cheerleader. Cute (or was when she was a cheerleader, which is 
of course the pictures they used in the papers), black, drunk out of her mind. 
Crashed her car, stumbled around in the dark for hours, may have been at risk 
of dying of exposure by the time she pounded on his door. A few people had 
called the cops on her in the hours before her death, but she always wandered 
off before help arrived. Did she need killing? Nope. Did he know that? Nope. 
Should he have known that? A jury says yes beyond a reasonable doubt. 

I'm not saying he was in the right, but I am saying I've read about cops whose 
actions were much farther off base keeping their jobs.

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[MBZ] CA Kleb Car

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Not a bad deal if as described:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-cars-sale/393163-fs-1985-300sd.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

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Cops are some of the worst with safe handling of weapons and accuracy hitting 
targets. 

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> On May 14, 2018, at 4:08 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On May 14, 2018 at 12:50 PM Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> "Trained" does not apply to the police of New York City.
> 
> Curley touched upon it when he said that fewer and fewer LEOs are shooters 
> and hunters. In places like NYC it's virtually none of them. In places like 
> Eaton County Michigan it's more like 1/4 to 1/3 of them. 
> I recall one incident in NYC in which the suspect and two bystanders caught 
> one bullet each, out of 34 fired (two cops, two empty Glock 17s, no reloads), 
> or an on target score of almost 3%. I don't recall the details, but it seems 
> like it was a situation that didn't call for lethal force in the first place. 
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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

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> On May 14, 2018 at 12:50 PM Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> "Trained" does not apply to the police of New York City.

Curley touched upon it when he said that fewer and fewer LEOs are shooters and 
hunters. In places like NYC it's virtually none of them. In places like Eaton 
County Michigan it's more like 1/4 to 1/3 of them. 
I recall one incident in NYC in which the suspect and two bystanders caught one 
bullet each, out of 34 fired (two cops, two empty Glock 17s, no reloads), or an 
on target score of almost 3%. I don't recall the details, but it seems like it 
was a situation that didn't call for lethal force in the first place. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

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On 14/05/2018 3:56 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On May 14, 2018 at 4:49 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes  
wrote:


On 14/05/2018 3:45 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Violent crime doesn't usually take place in a crowd, too many witnesses.

Maybe but we started this whole thread with a story about a fellow who
wanted to rob the crowd and who, I believe, fired one shot to show he
was serious. The military police officer took that to mean he was
dangerous and took the opportunity to fix that problem.

Perhaps I should have said that violent crime (like armed robbery) doesn't 
usually take place in a crowd in my country. Brazil might be vastly different 
from what I'm used to (or it might be a rare incident there too, I have no 
idea).

Mitch.

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True. Maybe he was a drug addict who could care less about witnesses so 
long as he got some cash for his next fix?
Sad case in any event. Despite her training the officer likely did not 
want to shoot him and will bear scars for doing so.


RB


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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

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Not in Florida.  If Ted Wafer shoots an intruder inside of his house and claims 
that he was in fear for his life, and had no means of retreat, there won’t even 
be charges filed.  Game over.  Ted +1, bad guy, 0.

-D


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> 
> 
> You do have a point though. A cop can shoot somebody in a totally inexcusable 
> fashion, get two years of paid vacation while the civil suit works its way 
> through the courts, then the day before the trial the suit is settled for a 
> few million taxpayer dollars and the cops goes back to work. Meanwhile, the 
> guy who made the wrong decision when somebody desperate to get indoors woke 
> him up in his own house at 3am becomes Ted Wafer, Convicted 2nd Degree 
> Murderer.
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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

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> On May 14, 2018 at 4:49 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> On 14/05/2018 3:45 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> > Violent crime doesn't usually take place in a crowd, too many witnesses.

> Maybe but we started this whole thread with a story about a fellow who 
> wanted to rob the crowd and who, I believe, fired one shot to show he 
> was serious. The military police officer took that to mean he was 
> dangerous and took the opportunity to fix that problem.

Perhaps I should have said that violent crime (like armed robbery) doesn't 
usually take place in a crowd in my country. Brazil might be vastly different 
from what I'm used to (or it might be a rare incident there too, I have no 
idea).

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

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On 14/05/2018 3:45 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On May 14, 2018 at 4:34 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes  
wrote:

She survived when she had to and protected her children, but I don't
think I would want her to intervene on a crowded street and I doubt she
would in any event.

Violent crime doesn't usually take place in a crowd, too many witnesses. When 
it does, the crime is often the attempted killing of the entire crowd.

Mitch.

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Maybe but we started this whole thread with a story about a fellow who 
wanted to rob the crowd and who, I believe, fired one shot to show he 
was serious. The military police officer took that to mean he was 
dangerous and took the opportunity to fix that problem.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT - spent .22LR brass

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On 14/05/2018 3:40 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Mon, 14 May 2018 15:27:33 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 wrote:


On 14/05/2018 2:48 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Hmmm, mine are all blade fuses now, but maybe I should sell them as
heavy duty fuses? Too short?

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 2:42 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Replace blown auto fuses? ;D


Probably better to use nice new ones for fuses. They are a bit longer
AND you will certainly know when a fuse BLOWS!

Good one, Randy!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

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> On May 14, 2018 at 4:34 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> She survived when she had to and protected her children, but I don't 
> think I would want her to intervene on a crowded street and I doubt she 
> would in any event.

Violent crime doesn't usually take place in a crowd, too many witnesses. When 
it does, the crime is often the attempted killing of the entire crowd.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

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> On May 14, 2018 at 12:52 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Righto.  My guess is the the % of popos wrong is higher than the % of 
> armed citizens making a mistake.   Popos have the advantage of being 
> protected by being clear if they "feel their life is in danger."  Thus 
> anyone they want can be shot. Not so with citizens.

I think it's the fact that they inject themselves into situations already in 
progress, make a 'split second decision' and back the decision up with lethal 
force. The non-LE defenders are usually defending themselves from a situation 
that the criminal brought to them, and they know darn well who the criminal is. 

You do have a point though. A cop can shoot somebody in a totally inexcusable 
fashion, get two years of paid vacation while the civil suit works its way 
through the courts, then the day before the trial the suit is settled for a few 
million taxpayer dollars and the cops goes back to work. Meanwhile, the guy who 
made the wrong decision when somebody desperate to get indoors woke him up in 
his own house at 3am becomes Ted Wafer, Convicted 2nd Degree Murderer.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - spent .22LR brass

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On Mon, 14 May 2018 15:27:33 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 wrote:

> On 14/05/2018 2:48 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> > Hmmm, mine are all blade fuses now, but maybe I should sell them as
> > heavy duty fuses? Too short?
> >
> > On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 2:42 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Replace blown auto fuses? ;D
> >>
> 
> Probably better to use nice new ones for fuses. They are a bit longer 
> AND you will certainly know when a fuse BLOWS!

Good one, Randy!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

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On 14/05/2018 3:15 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On May 14, 2018 at 2:43 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes  
wrote:

But mostly, do not try to hold up an off duty police officer carrying
their gun.
She got the opportunity and she used it. Fortunately for her, he did not
realize she was a police officer or it might have turned out differently.

That's the thing about citizen disarmament zones, people assume the victims are 
helpless and they can just go through a crowd and rob every one of them.
And most of the time, it's an accurate assumption, just not this time.

As for training and experience, I recall a mother who had never fired a gun in 
her life doing a better job than most cops and even many devoted shooting 
hobbyists. A man broke into her home, while he was breaking in, she grabbed a 
revolver, hustled her kids into the attic, and hoped he just wanted to burgle 
the place. As he climbed into the attic, she warned him off repeatedly, but he 
kept coming.
So instead of retreating into a safe space, she'd cornered herself and her 
family into a confined space with their attacker. And all she had was a 
revolver that she hasn't handled since the day she brought it home and loaded 
it. So she pointed it at him and shot until it was empty. Five out of six hit 
him. Either he was very close or she was very lucky. It was the sixth shot that 
finally stopped his advance. She did what needed doing, but what if there'd 
been two of him, and neither one of them were interested in giving up?

Mitch.

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She survived when she had to and protected her children, but I don't 
think I would want her to intervene on a crowded street and I doubt she 
would in any event.


RB who promised himself he would not get into gun issues with you folks 
south of the border.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - spent .22LR brass

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On 14/05/2018 3:23 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

You out there shooting targets on the runway?



Moving targets??

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT - spent .22LR brass

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On 14/05/2018 2:17 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

I bought a Ruger American .22LR rifle, and am having a blast with it. Such
that I have an ever increasing collection of spent cartridges.

What can you do with a bunch of .22LR brass???


A jar full on your desk as a paper weight?

RB


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Re: [MBZ] OT - spent .22LR brass

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 14/05/2018 2:48 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Hmmm, mine are all blade fuses now, but maybe I should sell them as heavy
duty fuses? Too short?

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 2:42 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Replace blown auto fuses? ;D



Probably better to use nice new ones for fuses. They are a bit longer 
AND you will certainly know when a fuse BLOWS!


RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT - spent .22LR brass

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You out there shooting targets on the runway?

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> On May 14, 2018, at 2:17 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I bought a Ruger American .22LR rifle, and am having a blast with it. Such
> that I have an ever increasing collection of spent cartridges.
> 
> What can you do with a bunch of .22LR brass???
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
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> for themselves."
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On May 14, 2018 at 2:43 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> But mostly, do not try to hold up an off duty police officer carrying 
> their gun.
> She got the opportunity and she used it. Fortunately for her, he did not 
> realize she was a police officer or it might have turned out differently.

That's the thing about citizen disarmament zones, people assume the victims are 
helpless and they can just go through a crowd and rob every one of them. 
And most of the time, it's an accurate assumption, just not this time. 

As for training and experience, I recall a mother who had never fired a gun in 
her life doing a better job than most cops and even many devoted shooting 
hobbyists. A man broke into her home, while he was breaking in, she grabbed a 
revolver, hustled her kids into the attic, and hoped he just wanted to burgle 
the place. As he climbed into the attic, she warned him off repeatedly, but he 
kept coming. 
So instead of retreating into a safe space, she'd cornered herself and her 
family into a confined space with their attacker. And all she had was a 
revolver that she hasn't handled since the day she brought it home and loaded 
it. So she pointed it at him and shot until it was empty. Five out of six hit 
him. Either he was very close or she was very lucky. It was the sixth shot that 
finally stopped his advance. She did what needed doing, but what if there'd 
been two of him, and neither one of them were interested in giving up?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - spent .22LR brass

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

1: hold it vertically and blow across it. Makes a nice little whistle. 

2. recycle it as scrap metal. 

3. back in the 1970s, you could buy swaging dies to make .224 bullet jackets 
out of it. Combined with some lead wheel weights and a bullet mold, you'd have 
free jacketed bullets for your AR-15.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - spent .22LR brass

[OK Don via Mercedes]

They are 15mm or 5/8" long, 1/4" diameter.

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 2:48 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> Hmmm, mine are all blade fuses now, but maybe I should sell them as heavy
> duty fuses? Too short?
>
> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 2:42 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Replace blown auto fuses? ;D
>>
>> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > String them into a macho Necklace?
>> >
>> > On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 3:17 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > I bought a Ruger American .22LR rifle, and am having a blast with it.
>> > Such
>> > > that I have an ever increasing collection of spent cartridges.
>> > >
>> > > What can you do with a bunch of .22LR brass???
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > OK Don
>> > >
>> > > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and
>> many
>> > of
>> > > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>> > >
>> > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The
>> few
>> > who
>> > > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
>> fence
>> > > for themselves."
>> > >
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>> > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
> fence for themselves."
>
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
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> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
>



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Re: [MBZ] OT - spent .22LR brass

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Hmmm, mine are all blade fuses now, but maybe I should sell them as heavy
duty fuses? Too short?

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 2:42 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Replace blown auto fuses? ;D
>
> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > String them into a macho Necklace?
> >
> > On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 3:17 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I bought a Ruger American .22LR rifle, and am having a blast with it.
> > Such
> > > that I have an ever increasing collection of spent cartridges.
> > >
> > > What can you do with a bunch of .22LR brass???
> > >
> > > --
> > > OK Don
> > >
> > > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many
> > of
> > > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> > >
> > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> > who
> > > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
> fence
> > > for themselves."
> > >
> > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT - spent .22LR brass

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Replace blown auto fuses? ;D

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> String them into a macho Necklace?
>
> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 3:17 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I bought a Ruger American .22LR rifle, and am having a blast with it.
> Such
> > that I have an ever increasing collection of spent cartridges.
> >
> > What can you do with a bunch of .22LR brass???
> >
> > --
> > OK Don
> >
> > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many
> of
> > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> >
> > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> who
> > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> > for themselves."
> >
> > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT - spent .22LR brass

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

String them into a macho Necklace?

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 3:17 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I bought a Ruger American .22LR rifle, and am having a blast with it. Such
> that I have an ever increasing collection of spent cartridges.
>
> What can you do with a bunch of .22LR brass???
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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[MBZ] OT - spent .22LR brass

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I bought a Ruger American .22LR rifle, and am having a blast with it. Such
that I have an ever increasing collection of spent cartridges.

What can you do with a bunch of .22LR brass???

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for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] Wonder how much crack is involved with this thing?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

"Gross" in a good or bad sense?

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 2:49 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Gross . . .
>
> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 1:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I still love that color. How do others feel?
> >
> > On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 12:16 AM, clay monroe via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > This guy was eating lots of medibles.  That thing looks pretty clapped
> > > out.   SO somebody popped a 116 SD engine into this thing and has done
> > > nothing to deal with the rust.  There is no way all numbers match if
> the
> > > engine is not original.  With the wear, I am going to say it has around
> > > 250k at least.
> > >
> > >
> > > clay
> > >
> > > 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> > > 1986 SDL - Polei
> > > 1982 300 SD - Allen
> > >
> > > retired models-
> > > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> > > 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> > > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> > > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> > > POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On May 13, 2018, at 8:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300D-
> > > TURBO-47K-MILES/372305227470?hash=item56af1eeece:g:
> > > 3ygAAOSwxLVa9-az&vxp=mtr
> > > >
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>
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> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 14/05/2018 1:51 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Umm - she is a 20 year veteran police officer . . .



And Military Police, so that may well mean that she has received much 
more training than many non-military police officers have.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Umm - she is a 20 year veteran police officer . . .

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 11:33 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:

> So where do I send my "Darwin Award" nomination for the armed robber?
> Imagine how unpopular armed robbery would become with more well trained
> armed citizens... Surely, it would help the prison overcrowding problem.
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Wonder how much crack is involved with this thing?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Gross . . .

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 1:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I still love that color. How do others feel?
>
> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 12:16 AM, clay monroe via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > This guy was eating lots of medibles.  That thing looks pretty clapped
> > out.   SO somebody popped a 116 SD engine into this thing and has done
> > nothing to deal with the rust.  There is no way all numbers match if the
> > engine is not original.  With the wear, I am going to say it has around
> > 250k at least.
> >
> >
> > clay
> >
> > 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> > 1986 SDL - Polei
> > 1982 300 SD - Allen
> >
> > retired models-
> > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> > 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> > POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On May 13, 2018, at 8:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300D-
> > TURBO-47K-MILES/372305227470?hash=item56af1eeece:g:
> > 3ygAAOSwxLVa9-az&vxp=mtr
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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 14/05/2018 1:02 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

Or just dont live in Brazil.

But mostly, do not try to hold up an off duty police officer carrying 
their gun.
She got the opportunity and she used it. Fortunately for her, he did not 
realize she was a police officer or it might have turned out differently.


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Re: [MBZ] Poos Mobile?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Too much for the 140 with bad paint. Has potential though. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 13, 2018, at 11:46 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/cto/d/1993-mercedes-benz-320sd/6587756576.html
>  
> 
> 
> Get him to do a 2 for 1 deal
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
> 
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: [MBZ] Poos Mobile?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Where is the 1968 280SE (also for sale)?

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 12:46 AM, clay monroe via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> https://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/cto/d/1993-mercedes-
> benz-320sd/6587756576.html  org/skc/cto/d/1993-mercedes-benz-320sd/6587756576.html>
>
> Get him to do a 2 for 1 deal
>
>
> clay
>
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
>
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
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Re: [MBZ] Wonder how much crack is involved with this thing?

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I still love that color. How do others feel?

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 12:16 AM, clay monroe via Mercedes <
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> This guy was eating lots of medibles.  That thing looks pretty clapped
> out.   SO somebody popped a 116 SD engine into this thing and has done
> nothing to deal with the rust.  There is no way all numbers match if the
> engine is not original.  With the wear, I am going to say it has around
> 250k at least.
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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Or just dont live in Brazil.

On Mon, May 14, 2018, 9:56 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> In Florida, if you have a CWP as I do, exposing or showing your firearm
> while carrying is a misdemeanor and the basis for revocation of your CWP.
>
> You never, ever “show”unless you plan on using it.  One more part of the
> process to make it a very conscious effort to decide when to use that
> concealed weapon.
>
> -D
>
> > On May 14, 2018, at 12:51 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > But how much more often are the police placed in the position where they
> must make that choice? Amateurs don't appear to be involved all that often.
> > I have heard it said that one never shows one's gun unless one intends
> to use it forthwith. Maybe the good guys just don't want to get involved in
> many cases.
> > If it all turns out bad, then the good guy just became the bad guy. That
> sort of thing can be very expensive and very disruptive to one's life.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

In Florida, if you have a CWP as I do, exposing or showing your firearm while 
carrying is a misdemeanor and the basis for revocation of your CWP.

You never, ever “show”unless you plan on using it.  One more part of the 
process to make it a very conscious effort to decide when to use that concealed 
weapon.

-D 

> On May 14, 2018, at 12:51 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> But how much more often are the police placed in the position where they must 
> make that choice? Amateurs don't appear to be involved all that often.
> I have heard it said that one never shows one's gun unless one intends to use 
> it forthwith. Maybe the good guys just don't want to get involved in many 
> cases.
> If it all turns out bad, then the good guy just became the bad guy. That sort 
> of thing can be very expensive and very disruptive to one's life.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Righto.  My guess is the the % of popos wrong is higher than the % of 
armed citizens making a mistake.   Popos have the advantage of being 
protected by being clear if they "feel their life is in danger."  Thus 
anyone they want can be shot. Not so with citizens.


Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:


If the 'wrong guy' percentage for amateurs wasn't about 10% of the 'wrong guy' 
percentage for 'trained law enforcement', you might have a point there.

Mitch.



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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 14/05/2018 11:46 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On May 14, 2018 at 12:39 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes  
wrote:


Your problem, will be the "well trained" issue.

If the "good guy" shoots someone who is not really a "bad guy" or shoots
an innocent in the background etc, it will just make matters worse.
It has to be difficult to train people adequately.

If the 'wrong guy' percentage for amateurs wasn't about 10% of the 'wrong guy' 
percentage for 'trained law enforcement', you might have a point there.

Mitch.

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But how much more often are the police placed in the position where they 
must make that choice? Amateurs don't appear to be involved all that often.
I have heard it said that one never shows one's gun unless one intends 
to use it forthwith. Maybe the good guys just don't want to get involved 
in many cases.
If it all turns out bad, then the good guy just became the bad guy. That 
sort of thing can be very expensive and very disruptive to one's life.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT recovering a drill

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I think I have one of those. Bought it new in the early 1980s. I’ll post a pic 
tonight.

-D

> On May 14, 2018, at 12:43 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, so you know why I like it!I looked in auctions and pawn shops all 
> over to try to find one like it.
> 
> Dimitri via Mercedes wrote:
>> I had that same drill and loved it. My parents bought it for me around 1985 
>> so that I could do some work on their rental property. It was the precise 
>> control at low speeds that I liked. My mom gave it away to some contractors 
>> while I was away in med school. I remember screaming at her over it!
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

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On Mon, 14 May 2018 11:39:52 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Even the trained and experienced police get it wrong too often.

"Trained" does not apply to the police of New York City.


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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

How many of the popos ever hunted, or still hunt?Very few, and the 
percentage just keeps getting lower.  Good training comes from 
experience, and few popos are either well trained or experienced.


it only takes a small percentage if the population carrying to make 
crimes more costly than working.  I'd guess 10%.   What percentage in 
texas actually carry?  Probably well under 10%, but it sure makes a 
difference.




Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

Your problem, will be the "well trained" issue.

If the "good guy" shoots someone who is not really a "bad guy" or 
shoots an innocent in the background etc, it will just make matters 
worse.
It has to be difficult to train people adequately. In addition to 
training, one needs experience. Even the trained and experienced 
police get it wrong too often.


RB



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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

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> On May 14, 2018 at 12:39 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Your problem, will be the "well trained" issue.
> 
> If the "good guy" shoots someone who is not really a "bad guy" or shoots 
> an innocent in the background etc, it will just make matters worse.
> It has to be difficult to train people adequately.

If the 'wrong guy' percentage for amateurs wasn't about 10% of the 'wrong guy' 
percentage for 'trained law enforcement', you might have a point there. 

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Re: [MBZ] OT recovering a drill

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Yeah, so you know why I like it!I looked in auctions and pawn shops 
all over to try to find one like it.


Dimitri via Mercedes wrote:

I had that same drill and loved it. My parents bought it for me around 1985 so 
that I could do some work on their rental property. It was the precise control 
at low speeds that I liked. My mom gave it away to some contractors while I was 
away in med school. I remember screaming at her over it!





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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Your problem, will be the "well trained" issue.

If the "good guy" shoots someone who is not really a "bad guy" or shoots 
an innocent in the background etc, it will just make matters worse.
It has to be difficult to train people adequately. In addition to 
training, one needs experience. Even the trained and experienced police 
get it wrong too often.


RB


On 14/05/2018 11:33 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

So where do I send my "Darwin Award" nomination for the armed robber?
Imagine how unpopular armed robbery would become with more well trained
armed citizens... Surely, it would help the prison overcrowding problem.




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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

[G Mann via Mercedes]

So where do I send my "Darwin Award" nomination for the armed robber?
Imagine how unpopular armed robbery would become with more well trained
armed citizens... Surely, it would help the prison overcrowding problem.

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> Idiot forgot golden rule.
> Don't mess with mama!
> Fred
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Re: [MBZ] Spare tires

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> On May 14, 2018 at 10:33 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
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> The tire, coming apart, trashed the sheet metal behind that wheel.

Delaminating tires do even more damage to camping trailers and motorhomes. 

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Re: [MBZ] Spare tires

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I had a tire come apart on me on the truck.  I went back and picked up most
of the pieces I could find, as a courtesy.  The spare was _very_ important
that day.
The tire, coming apart, trashed the sheet metal behind that wheel.

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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

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Idiot forgot golden rule.
Don't mess with mama!
Fred

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> > concealed-gun-and-fires-away-634052
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Re: [MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

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(thumbs up)

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

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[MBZ] OT A Hero of Mother's Day

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2018/05/13/armed-man-charges-at-mothers-with-kids-until-one-mom-whips-out-her-concealed-gun-and-fires-away-634052

I'm guessing this lady won't be invited to appear on Oprah or The View.

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Re: [MBZ] OT recovering a drill

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I had that same drill and loved it. My parents bought it for me around 1985 so 
that I could do some work on their rental property. It was the precise control 
at low speeds that I liked. My mom gave it away to some contractors while I was 
away in med school. I remember screaming at her over it!

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 14, 2018, at 5:47 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Very strong work!  
> 
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On May 14, 2018, at 12:24 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Almost 10 years ago my favorite drill was damaged in a fire.  I liked it 
>> because it was a slow speed 1/2" in a 1/4 - 3/8 drill chassis.  As such it 
>> would fit in my little drill box along with bits, screws, anchors, plugs and 
>> other related stuff.  After it was ruined, I tried for years to find a 
>> replacement, then I searched for years for a used one, or a cheap 3/8 drill 
>> ro get a new case from.  I finally found a 3/8 drill at  the univ. junk 
>> sale.  It was a 1200 RPM VSR, where my drill was an 800 RPM VSR.
>> 
>> I took both apart, and found the stator was riveted to the midsection body.  
>> Closer inspection showed that the stator and armature windings appeared to 
>> be identical.  So I used the midsection, armature, switch and cord from the 
>> donor, and put the drill back together again.  The drill motor ran, but the 
>> chuck didn't turn.  Oops!  I took it apart again, and looked more closely at 
>> the armatures, and found out the donor armature was shorter.  So I used the 
>> original armature with the donor stator, and reassembled it again.   Getting 
>> the brush holders in and out was a trick, but by the second time, I had it 
>> pretty well down.   In the process, I cleaned the gunk out of the gear 
>> reduction and lubed with synthetic Moly grease.
>> 
>> So my old drill has the chuck, gear reduction, and armature from the 
>> original, and the midsection, stator, switch, cord, and case from the donor. 
>>   It is still 800 RPM VSR as original, but the case stickers are wrong.
>> 
>> On the second try, it works!  I am so happy to have my old drill back again. 
>>  With it, I can drill joists that are 16" spacing to run wires or pex.  I 
>> never had a Milwaukee Hole Hawg 90º drill because they are expensive and my 
>> BD could do the work, for the occasions I need to.
>> Every potential replacement drill I could find is longer and can't drill 
>> joists in place.
>> 
>> I have a HF 1/2" corded drill as a sub, but it does not like to run slow, 
>> and smells like burning windings if you work it hard.  I have a Milwaukee 
>> 3/8 hammer drill.  I have dewalt cordless drills, one of which is a high 
>> priced hammer drill, but the nicest drill to use is still  my 1980 refurb 
>> Black and Decker (now dewalt) drill.
>> 
>> WARNING:  Lithium grease:  The "white lithium"  "grease" in the drive (gear 
>> reduction) of the drill was dry and hard like chalk.  That crap should never 
>> be used in anything that you won't clean the "grease" out every year or two.
>> MB content:  this leads to the failure of monowiper mechanisms.   Clean your 
>> monowiper mechanism and grease with synthetic Moly grease, such as Molykote 
>> BR2.   I have some things where it has been there over 30 years and is still 
>> good.
>> 
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>> resolution before, during and after photos I can send to you, but not to the 
>> list because some have dialup access.
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Very strong work!  

--R
Sent from iPhone

> On May 14, 2018, at 12:24 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Almost 10 years ago my favorite drill was damaged in a fire.  I liked it 
> because it was a slow speed 1/2" in a 1/4 - 3/8 drill chassis.  As such it 
> would fit in my little drill box along with bits, screws, anchors, plugs and 
> other related stuff.  After it was ruined, I tried for years to find a 
> replacement, then I searched for years for a used one, or a cheap 3/8 drill 
> ro get a new case from.  I finally found a 3/8 drill at  the univ. junk sale. 
>  It was a 1200 RPM VSR, where my drill was an 800 RPM VSR.
> 
> I took both apart, and found the stator was riveted to the midsection body.  
> Closer inspection showed that the stator and armature windings appeared to be 
> identical.  So I used the midsection, armature, switch and cord from the 
> donor, and put the drill back together again.  The drill motor ran, but the 
> chuck didn't turn.  Oops!  I took it apart again, and looked more closely at 
> the armatures, and found out the donor armature was shorter.  So I used the 
> original armature with the donor stator, and reassembled it again.   Getting 
> the brush holders in and out was a trick, but by the second time, I had it 
> pretty well down.   In the process, I cleaned the gunk out of the gear 
> reduction and lubed with synthetic Moly grease.
> 
> So my old drill has the chuck, gear reduction, and armature from the 
> original, and the midsection, stator, switch, cord, and case from the donor.  
>  It is still 800 RPM VSR as original, but the case stickers are wrong.
> 
> On the second try, it works!  I am so happy to have my old drill back again.  
> With it, I can drill joists that are 16" spacing to run wires or pex.  I 
> never had a Milwaukee Hole Hawg 90º drill because they are expensive and my 
> BD could do the work, for the occasions I need to.
> Every potential replacement drill I could find is longer and can't drill 
> joists in place.
> 
> I have a HF 1/2" corded drill as a sub, but it does not like to run slow, and 
> smells like burning windings if you work it hard.  I have a Milwaukee 3/8 
> hammer drill.  I have dewalt cordless drills, one of which is a high priced 
> hammer drill, but the nicest drill to use is still  my 1980 refurb Black and 
> Decker (now dewalt) drill.
> 
> WARNING:  Lithium grease:  The "white lithium"  "grease" in the drive (gear 
> reduction) of the drill was dry and hard like chalk.  That crap should never 
> be used in anything that you won't clean the "grease" out every year or two.
> MB content:  this leads to the failure of monowiper mechanisms.   Clean your 
> monowiper mechanism and grease with synthetic Moly grease, such as Molykote 
> BR2.   I have some things where it has been there over 30 years and is still 
> good.
> 
> Before and after photos attached.  If anyone is interested, I have high 
> resolution before, during and after photos I can send to you, but not to the 
> list because some have dialup access.
> 
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