Re: [MBZ] 1969 250 SOLD for over $20K

2018-06-28 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
I agree!

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jun 28, 2018 10:06 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel"  wrote:

> Maybe the 4 speed manual has something to do with it.
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:05 PM, Dwight Giles 
> wrote:
>
>> What we are missing is that the,whole world is not bottom feeders as is
>> the norm on this,list. My brother who spent 30 years in the,car business
>> says you can't pay too much for a GOOD used car.  The market is clearly
>> motivated  for classic Benzes.
>>
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2018 9:58 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Even with an incomplete service history.  Are we missing something?
>>>
>>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-mercedes-benz-250-4/?
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Re: [MBZ] 1969 250 SOLD for over $20K

2018-06-28 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Maybe the 4 speed manual has something to do with it.

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:05 PM, Dwight Giles 
wrote:

> What we are missing is that the,whole world is not bottom feeders as is
> the norm on this,list. My brother who spent 30 years in the,car business
> says you can't pay too much for a GOOD used car.  The market is clearly
> motivated  for classic Benzes.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Jun 28, 2018 9:58 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Even with an incomplete service history.  Are we missing something?
>>
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-mercedes-benz-250-4/?
>> utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2018-06-28
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Re: [MBZ] 1969 250 SOLD for over $20K

2018-06-28 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
What we are missing is that the,whole world is not bottom feeders as is the
norm on this,list. My brother who spent 30 years in the,car business says
you can't pay too much for a GOOD used car.  The market is clearly
motivated  for classic Benzes.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jun 28, 2018 9:58 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Even with an incomplete service history.  Are we missing something?
>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-mercedes-benz-
> 250-4/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2018-06-28
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Re: [MBZ] This could be fun

2018-06-28 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
What's gonna go wrong?  Only 104 k miles.

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> You mean like the front suspension broke last month and still hasn't been
> fixed?
> Mitch.
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> >
> > Until it breaks
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[MBZ] 1969 250 SOLD for over $20K

2018-06-28 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Even with an incomplete service history.  Are we missing something?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-mercedes-benz-250-4/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2018-06-28
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Re: [MBZ] Alternator

2018-06-28 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Typically that means you have a bad diode or two (usually open) and are only 
getting a few amps out of the alternator.

The idiot light just indicates that the battery is supplying the coil, not the 
alternator.

Bad voltage regulator will do the same thing, plenty of amps maybe, but not 
enough voltage to charge the battery.
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Re: [MBZ] Alternator

2018-06-28 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
If the light is on and goes out when you spin the alternator, that should mean 
the alternator is supplying enough juice to power its own field. But if it 
can't supply 13.4V against a full complement of cooling and HVAC  fans, then 
something's wrong. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Alternator

2018-06-28 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
We call them "Idiot Lights" for a reason

Next time you are at the FLAPS, have a look for a charging indicator gage
that plugs into the cig lighter it will give you a real time output
reading... as I recall, they are pretty cheap...

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> Is it possible for an alternator to not be charging but the battery light
> goes out after the car is started?
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[MBZ] Alternator

2018-06-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Is it possible for an alternator to not be charging but the battery light goes 
out after the car is started?

Sent from my iPhone

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[MBZ] Moose day

2018-06-28 Thread clay monroe via Mercedes
No moose were harmed in the making of this electronic message


clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







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Re: [MBZ] OT Thorium Reactor news of the day

2018-06-28 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
YIMBY!

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don via 
Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 10:36 AM
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Cc: OK Don
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Thorium Reactor news of the day

Too true - - - (dim bulbs - all they know is how to get and stay elected).
I'd like one in my backyard though (thermal salt reactor) . . .

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 11:02 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
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> Max sez:
>
> 
> >Thermal salt reactor
>
>  Sorry, but IMHO, it will never happen here.
> Politicians on all sides of the fence are pretty dim bulbs... And they are
> not getting any brighter.
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes grab pad

2018-06-28 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

WAYTAGO!Nothing has slowed your inventive mind!

It is always good to hear from you.


WILTON via Mercedes wrote:

As some of you may know, I'm unable to stand or walk safely without aid. I
use a walker (rollator) around the house, back and forth to the car and for
short trips from the car. For longer trips from car, such as shopping,
touring museum, etc., I use an electric mobility scooter kept in trunk of
the car. Scooter comes apart and reassembles quickly and easily in about 45
seconds. I can easily and safely move from driver seat along side of car by
gripping the door handles. Moving past left rear corner of car to the
trunk, though, can present a special problem. When sun is not too hot, I
can grip forward edge of trunk lid with my finger tips. On really hot,
sunny days, though, the black trunk lid and rear window can get too hot to
touch.

Using a 4-inch dia. suction cup dent puller, I may have made and installed a
grip pad to help me move around that precarious corner more safely. See
attached photo of pad installed. I cut the puller handles away leaving only
a "T" section needed for my purpose.

'Seems to work fairly well, but I haven't needed it on a really hot day yet
for a proper, real-life test.

Wilton
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[MBZ] W123 240D Electric fan switch

2018-06-28 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

RE: 1981 240D

Anyone have a spare electric (radiator) fan switch they would part with 
for a price?

Anyone got the part number if I have to order a new one?
It seems to be time for a new (or used) one.

Thx

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Re: [MBZ] rick 123 stuff

2018-06-28 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
good, but that does not exactly eliminate the lift pump from scrutiny.   
can you  see fuel flowing through the clear filter or through the clear 
lines when this starvation occurs? If so, then you can eliminate the 
lift pump


Rick Hawkins via Mercedes wrote:

i called it the wrong thing …. i rebuilt the lift pump about 4 years ago


thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins



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On Jun 25, 2018, at 1:34 PM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote:


From: Curley McLain<126die...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300TD 123 stuff
Date: June 25, 2018 10:34:43 AM EDT
To: Mercedes Discussion List


Transfer pump  (AKA Lift pump)  A Bosch injection shop should be able to 
rebuild the pump, or new ones are available.  There is an isuzu one that looks 
like it would work.


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Re: [MBZ] Pickup trucks. was: cars

2018-06-28 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

Frod, home of the wussywagen.


The author is right, except it should also have a rack in the back of 
the cab with at least one lever action and an 03a3 hanging.   
Transmission should be a truck ( floor shift)  4 or 5 speed.



archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

Someone on another list wrote the following:

"Ford just announced that the F150 pickup truck is no longer available with a manual 
transmission.  Pickups should have manual transmissions with a compound low gear, a 
full-sized bed, a bench seat, and no back seats.  Yes, and no electric windows oe 
expensive sound systems.  These sissy wagons that storebought cowboys drive these days 
are not pickups.  You can’t even buy a real pickup truck anymore."

I'm wondering what the members of this list think about this rant?
Gerry...who doesn't own a pickup.




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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: 1956 Chris Craft on BAT

2018-06-28 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Just a runabout!  Now if It was a cruiser, it'd be worth looking at.
Look for a 1958 Owens 25'   Cruiser.   Single screw 327 power.   good as 
it gets unless you have Diesel


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

This is my dream boat.  We took a Hudson River jaunt on one of these when I
was a kid, up near Poughkeepsie.  Wow.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1956-chris-craft-continental-20/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2018-06-25




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Re: [MBZ] OT Thorium Reactor news of the day

2018-06-28 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 
Ok Don sez:

>I'd like one in my backyard though

 If everyone with ownership of a half acre or more had one in their back yard, 
it would be a different country. 

Oh, I am referring to  thorium reactors...

AND politicians.
Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT Thorium Reactor news of the day

2018-06-28 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Too true - - - (dim bulbs - all they know is how to get and stay elected).
I'd like one in my backyard though (thermal salt reactor) . . .

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 11:02 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> Max sez:
>
> 
> >Thermal salt reactor
>
>  Sorry, but IMHO, it will never happen here.
> Politicians on all sides of the fence are pretty dim bulbs... And they are
> not getting any brighter.
> Rick
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for themselves."

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2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] $500 210 99 E300D

2018-06-28 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
Maybe block off the egr and run the pump on a dsl1. Much simpler and works
> with factory tps, wastegate controller and even the tcu I think.
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2018, 12:59 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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>> OMG how ugly can you get.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 6:48 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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>> >
>> > Everybody should have one of their own:
>> > https://www.copart.com/lot/35449968
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Re: [MBZ] OT Thorium Reactor news of the day

2018-06-28 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 
Max sez:


>Thermal salt reactor

 Sorry, but IMHO, it will never happen here.
Politicians on all sides of the fence are pretty dim bulbs... And they are not 
getting any brighter.   
Rick
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Re: [MBZ] This could be fun

2018-06-28 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


You mean like the front suspension broke last month and still hasn't been fixed?
Mitch.

> On June 28, 2018 at 11:16 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Until it breaks

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[MBZ] Mersedes Benz - $2300

2018-06-28 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
JUST CASH
https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/mersedes-benz/6627010663.html

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[MBZ] This could be fun

2018-06-28 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Until it breaks
https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/2004-mercedes-s600-amg-great/6621109726.html

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes grab pad

2018-06-28 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 28 Jun 2018 07:47:57 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes
 wrote:

> What really sealed that decision was the service life of the wrap... 5
> yrs, in the sun and it's dead. Then you get to pay to have it taken
> off, and pay again to have it "re-wrapped" Paint, good for much
> longer.

This does not apply to the spray stuff from Eastwood I mentioned because
it is not a wrap.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes grab pad

2018-06-28 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Depending on the graphics, the size of the vehicle, and the mood of the
wrap people, the price can vary wildly.

I had quotes done to wrap my Mercedes bus, being converted to motor home,
40 ft long, 11 ft high.. the quotes ran in the $12,000 to $15,000 range
I will be painting, not wrapping. Strip and paint costs ran 1/2 of that.
What really sealed that decision was the service life of the wrap... 5 yrs,
in the sun and it's dead. Then you get to pay to have it taken off, and pay
again to have it "re-wrapped" Paint, good for much longer.

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 5:57 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes  wrote:

> What does a wrap cost?
>
>
> Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
>  Original message From: G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> Date: 2018-06-28  1:02 AM  (GMT-06:00) To:
> Mercedes Discussion List  Cc: G Mann <
> g2ma...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes grab pad
> Sounds good, however, after exploring vehicle wraps, the service life of
> the wrap material is about 5 years. It breaks down due to UV exposure,
> fades and degrades.
>
> So... Wilton's "Go Fundme Page" for a "New white Mercedes" has greater
> promise... At very least, style points and a big "atta boy"
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 9:40 PM, Craig via Mercedes  >
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 27 Jun 2018 11:22:35 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > On 26/06/2018 9:14 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> > > > Car just needs to be white!
> > > >
> > > > . . .
> > >  -- Jim
> > > >
> > >
> > > There is a way to change its  colour without having it painted, and you
> > > can put it back to its original colour later.
> > > You can have a wrap applied. Not sure what it would cost but it might
> > > be worth looking into.
> >
> >
> > https://www.eastwood.com/elastiwrap-aerosol-white-lightning.html
> >
> >
> > It's on sale now for $1.98/can (instead of $8.99).
> >
> > You can keep ElastiWrap® on indefinitely or if you’re tired of the color,
> > just peel it off and spray on a different color.
> >
> > ElastiWrap® is high-build and requires fewer coats than similar
> >   products
> > Also available in gallons and quarts
> > High temp resistant up to 350 degrees F
> > Applies easily with HVLP sprayer, Turbine, roller or brush
> > Scratch and abrasion resistant
> > Easy to touch up
> > Removes easily
> > Intermix Compatibly System – mix colors to create your own shade
> > UV resistant exceeded 539 hours of QUV testing (ASTM D4587)
> >
> > That’s right, peel it off. It doesn’t harm the painted or bare surface
> > underneath. In fact, it protects surfaces from UV damage, scratches and
> > corrosion. Spray the high-build rubber coating on an unfinished surface
> > to protect it until it’s ready to paint. Spray it directly on glossy
> > clear coats, paint, unfinished metal and other surfaces for color and
> > protection. The uses are endless for ElastiWrap®.
> >
> > ElastiWrap® is a unique strippable rubberized coating that can be easily
> > applied over most substrates and can remain in place indefinitely or be
> > removed by simply peeling it off. ElastiWrap's high build formula
> > requires fewer coats and removes easier than similar products. Not only
> > is ElastiWrap® corrosion resistant, it's UV, scratch and abrasion
> > resistant too, and stable in extreme temperatures up to 350 degrees.
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Re: [MBZ] Surprising 606 diesel mileage figures

2018-06-28 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
Over 4 in west LA. It is probably a buck cheaper in the port though.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2018, 1:02 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> $3.00 and up here.
>
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 8:37 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > It’s currently $2.79 here. Way too high.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jun 25, 2018, at 11:25 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I just saw fuel prices in SEA.  Regular and #2 are each $3.55
> > >
> > > clay
> > >
> > > 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> > > 1986 SDL - Polei
> > > 1982 300 SD - Allen
> > >
> > > retired models-
> > > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> > > 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> > > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> > > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> > > POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Jun 23, 2018, at 7:04 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Diesel fuel prices are dropping here now.  They peaked at around
> $3.05 I
> > >> think, yesterday I say $2.79.
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes grab pad

2018-06-28 Thread tyee165 via Mercedes
What does a wrap cost?


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 Original message From: G Mann via Mercedes 
 Date: 2018-06-28  1:02 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
Discussion List  Cc: G Mann  Subject: 
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes grab pad 
Sounds good, however, after exploring vehicle wraps, the service life of
the wrap material is about 5 years. It breaks down due to UV exposure,
fades and degrades.

So... Wilton's "Go Fundme Page" for a "New white Mercedes" has greater
promise... At very least, style points and a big "atta boy"

On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 9:40 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Jun 2018 11:22:35 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > On 26/06/2018 9:14 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> > > Car just needs to be white!
> > >
> > > . . .
> >  -- Jim
> > >
> >
> > There is a way to change its  colour without having it painted, and you
> > can put it back to its original colour later.
> > You can have a wrap applied. Not sure what it would cost but it might
> > be worth looking into.
>
>
> https://www.eastwood.com/elastiwrap-aerosol-white-lightning.html
>
>
> It's on sale now for $1.98/can (instead of $8.99).
>
> You can keep ElastiWrap® on indefinitely or if you’re tired of the color,
> just peel it off and spray on a different color.
>
> ElastiWrap® is high-build and requires fewer coats than similar
>   products
> Also available in gallons and quarts
> High temp resistant up to 350 degrees F
> Applies easily with HVLP sprayer, Turbine, roller or brush
> Scratch and abrasion resistant
> Easy to touch up
> Removes easily
> Intermix Compatibly System – mix colors to create your own shade
> UV resistant exceeded 539 hours of QUV testing (ASTM D4587)
>
> That’s right, peel it off. It doesn’t harm the painted or bare surface
> underneath. In fact, it protects surfaces from UV damage, scratches and
> corrosion. Spray the high-build rubber coating on an unfinished surface
> to protect it until it’s ready to paint. Spray it directly on glossy
> clear coats, paint, unfinished metal and other surfaces for color and
> protection. The uses are endless for ElastiWrap®.
>
> ElastiWrap® is a unique strippable rubberized coating that can be easily
> applied over most substrates and can remain in place indefinitely or be
> removed by simply peeling it off. ElastiWrap's high build formula
> requires fewer coats and removes easier than similar products. Not only
> is ElastiWrap® corrosion resistant, it's UV, scratch and abrasion
> resistant too, and stable in extreme temperatures up to 350 degrees.
>
>
> Craig
>
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[MBZ] OT Thorium Reactor news of the day

2018-06-28 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
http://www.atimes.com/article/is-indonesia-preparing-to-go-nuclear/

---

"Blessed with copious amounts of coal, huge reserves of natural gas and a
rich store of geothermal energy and other climate-friendly renewables,
Indonesia’s frequent talk over the years about venturing into the nuclear
age has always appeared to lack conviction.

What concerns many Indonesians is not only the threat posed to a nuclear
power plant by earthquakes and tsunamis in one of the world’s most
geothermally active nations, but also whether authorities are capable of
putting in place and, more importantly, strictly enforcing safeguards
against disasters.

Neighbors like Singapore and Australia have always shared serious concerns
of a potential disaster if Indonesia goes nuclear, given its suspect safety
record in other fields. Why then, the skeptics ask, would a new specially
appointed industry watchdog allay any of those concerns?

Nuclear energy advocate Bob Effendi, a member of President Joko Widodo’s
National Economic and Industry Committee (KEIN), has a ready answer for the
nuclear naysayers: mitigate much of the risk of conventional reactors by
using a thorium-fueled molten salt reactor, which is not only immune to
meltdown but is cheaper and produces less toxic waste.
Thermal salt reactor

Why Indonesia’s thermal salt reactor is being revisited 60 years after it
was first developed but not brought online requires an understanding of the
complex political, industrial and military reasons that drove the United
States to choose uranium-fed water-cooled water reactors in the first place.

Effenndi, a former oilman, challenges the widely held perception that
Indonesia has limitless sources of energy, claiming that coal and gas
reserves will be depleted by 2035-2040 and that the potential for
renewables like solar and wind is only 15% of what it is generally claimed
to be.

Nuclear energy’s image took a huge hit after the tsunami-triggered accident
at Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi plant in 2011 – the worst since the 1986
Chernobyl meltdown disaster – which caused Germany, Spain, Italy and
Belgium to resolve to phase out their own nuclear power programs.

Then Indonesian president Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono already had reservations
about nuclear power when so much else was on offer. “As long as there are
other alternatives, we will not use nuclear resources,*”* Yudhoyono
declared in a 2009 election speech.

His successor, Widodo, initially seemed to embrace that no-nuke sentiment
as well, telling a Japanese newspaper during the 2014 election campaign
that he thought there were plenty of other options before Indonesia should
consider going nuclear.

Then, in late 2015, US energy firm Martingale signed an MoU with
state-owned PT Industry Nuklir Indonesia (INUKI), PT Perusahaan Listrik
Negara (PLN) and PT Pertamina to conduct a feasibility study into whether
its ThorCon molten salt reactor could help meet Indonesia’s future energy
needs.

Widodo was there for the MOU’s signing in Washington, later saying in a
statement on his return home that if nuclear is needed “we must immediately
start preparing for it. This should not be allowed to drift. A decision
must be made, but the cost has to be ascertained.”
Alternative design

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has already declared
Indonesia nuclear compliant on all but two of 21 conditions – for a firm
government position on nuclear power and the establishment of an
organization to implement the construction of a power plant.

The typical nuclear reactor uses uranium rods suspended in pressurized
water, which are fission-heated and generate the steam to drive a
turbine. The water also acts as a cooling system, with pumps to keep it
circulating. Any loss of power leads to overheating and a meltdown, as
happened during the Fukushima tsunami.

In the alternative design, the nuclear reaction occurs when thorium, a
similar radioactive element to uranium, is dissolved in a bath of molten
salt which works under normal atmospheric pressure because unlike water it
does not vaporize at high temperatures; if it overheats, fission will
automatically stop.

The molten salt concept means the reactor doesn’t require thick walls to
contain the pressure and will never be in danger of a meltdown because an
overheated salt bath will melt the freeze plug and drain by force of
gravity into a containment vessel where it will cool on its own.
National Nuclear Energy Agency

Indonesia has only modest quantities of uranium, but it does have an
estimated 170,000 tons of thorium, concentrated in the tin-rich Sumatran
province of Bangka-Belitung, which is found in the monazite sands unearthed
during the tin-mining process.

Indonesia already leads Southeast Asia in nuclear experience. Established
in 1954 at the height of the Cold War, Indonesia’s National Nuclear Energy
Agency (BATAN) commissioned a 30-megawatt (MW) nuclear research reactor at
Serpong, on the outskirts of Jakarta, in 

Re: [MBZ] AMC Land Yacht on BAT

2018-06-28 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
The First Wide Small Car is Here. 
(I just wish they'd widened the track when they widened the body)
Mitch. 
> On June 28, 2018 at 12:03 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I preferred the Pacer wagon.

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes grab pad

2018-06-28 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Sounds good, however, after exploring vehicle wraps, the service life of
the wrap material is about 5 years. It breaks down due to UV exposure,
fades and degrades.

So... Wilton's "Go Fundme Page" for a "New white Mercedes" has greater
promise... At very least, style points and a big "atta boy"

On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 9:40 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Jun 2018 11:22:35 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > On 26/06/2018 9:14 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> > > Car just needs to be white!
> > >
> > > . . .
> >  -- Jim
> > >
> >
> > There is a way to change its  colour without having it painted, and you
> > can put it back to its original colour later.
> > You can have a wrap applied. Not sure what it would cost but it might
> > be worth looking into.
>
>
> https://www.eastwood.com/elastiwrap-aerosol-white-lightning.html
>
>
> It's on sale now for $1.98/can (instead of $8.99).
>
> You can keep ElastiWrap® on indefinitely or if you’re tired of the color,
> just peel it off and spray on a different color.
>
> ElastiWrap® is high-build and requires fewer coats than similar
>   products
> Also available in gallons and quarts
> High temp resistant up to 350 degrees F
> Applies easily with HVLP sprayer, Turbine, roller or brush
> Scratch and abrasion resistant
> Easy to touch up
> Removes easily
> Intermix Compatibly System – mix colors to create your own shade
> UV resistant exceeded 539 hours of QUV testing (ASTM D4587)
>
> That’s right, peel it off. It doesn’t harm the painted or bare surface
> underneath. In fact, it protects surfaces from UV damage, scratches and
> corrosion. Spray the high-build rubber coating on an unfinished surface
> to protect it until it’s ready to paint. Spray it directly on glossy
> clear coats, paint, unfinished metal and other surfaces for color and
> protection. The uses are endless for ElastiWrap®.
>
> ElastiWrap® is a unique strippable rubberized coating that can be easily
> applied over most substrates and can remain in place indefinitely or be
> removed by simply peeling it off. ElastiWrap's high build formula
> requires fewer coats and removes easier than similar products. Not only
> is ElastiWrap® corrosion resistant, it's UV, scratch and abrasion
> resistant too, and stable in extreme temperatures up to 350 degrees.
>
>
> Craig
>
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