Re: [MBZ] Windmill tower wastefullness WUZ: OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC
On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 16:15:48 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: > On 13/08/2018 4:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > Yeah, every energy source has its downside but at least turbines and solar > > panels don't pollute the air we breathe, nor do they require much tending. > > > Those solar panels require a lot of tending. Got to have a whole lot of > folks out there after dark holding flashlights on them in order to keep > the power flowing. > RB Right, and what about those PETA guys who have to sit on the windmills and shoo the birds away when the winds blowing? --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Research shows autonomous cars hitting stopped objects, not staying in lanes
Where do I send the Darwin Award applications? On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 7:07 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Not for me. Ever. Long live the Luddites. > > Dwight Giles Jr. > 1982 300CD > 2005 E320 4matic > > Wickford RI > > On Aug 13, 2018 9:30 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" > wrote: > > > Give them another 10 years - - and how many lives? > > > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 8:01 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > Surprise surprise > > > > > > Dwight Giles Jr. > > > Wickford RI > > > > > > On Aug 13, 2018 8:19 PM, "Craig via Mercedes" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > http://www.landlinemag.com/Story.aspx?StoryID=72797 > > > > > > > > The self-driving vehicle movement has reached another roadblock, one > > that > > > > apparently some autonomous vehicles cannot see. In a report released > by > > > > the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, some Level 2 autonomous > > > > vehicles failed to stop for stationary objects, failed to stay in > > lanes, > > > > or experienced safety issues in other ways. > > > > > > > > IIHS evaluated the 2017 BMW 5-series with Driving Assistant Plus, > 2017 > > > > Mercedes-Benz E-Class with Drive Pilot, 2018 Volvo S90 with Pilot > > Assist, > > > > 2018 Tesla Model 3 and 2016 Model S with Autopilot. Road and track > > tests > > > > studied the effectiveness of adaptive cruise control and active > > > > lane-keeping features. > > > > > > > > In studying adaptive cruise control, vehicles were subject to four > > series > > > > of track tests to examine how they respond to another vehicle in > front > > of > > > > them stopped and exiting lanes. One test had the cars going 31 mph > > toward > > > > a stationary vehicle target with cruise control off and autobrake on. > > > > Both Teslas hit the stationary target. > > > > > > > > With adaptive cruise control on, the BMW, Mercedes and both Tesla > > > > vehicles came to a slow, gradual stop, with Tesla cars braking > earlier. > > > > However, the Volvo S90 braked just 1.1 seconds before impact to avoid > > > > collision, resulting in a forceful stop. > > > > > > > > Another test had the cars following a lead vehicle that changed lanes > > to > > > > reveal a stationary inflatable target ahead with about 4.3 seconds to > > > > impact. With cruise control activated, none of the vehicles struck > the > > > > target. The Volvo still had a more forceful brake than the other test > > > > cars. > > > > > > > > However, results were less favorable for the technologies away from > the > > > > track and out on the road. Every vehicle except the Tesla Model 3 > > failed > > > > to respond to stopped vehicles ahead on an actual road. > > > > > > > > One researcher was driving the Mercedes E-Class at 55 mph on U.S. 33 > > near > > > > Ruckersville, Va., with both active cruise control and lane-keeping > > > > features activated. With no vehicle in front of her, the E-Class > > detected > > > > a pickup truck stopped at a traffic light ahead. Unfortunately, the > > > > detection system lost sight of the truck and continued at its current > > > > speed. The researcher had to hit the brakes herself to avoid a crash. > > > > > > > > “At IIHS we are coached to intervene without warning, but other > drivers > > > > might not be as vigilant,” the researcher said in the report. > > “(Adaptive > > > > cruise control) systems require drivers to pay attention to what the > > > > vehicle is doing at all times and be ready to brake manually.” > > > > > > > > Other vehicles hit the brakes too much. Tesla’s Model 3 slowed down > 12 > > > > times in 180 miles. Researchers noticed that seven of those times > > > > coincided with tree shadows on the road. Other times involved > oncoming > > > > traffic (in the correct lanes) and vehicles crossing the road far > > ahead. > > > > > > > > Looking into lane-keeping features, test vehicles were subjected to > six > > > > trials with three different sections of road. The Tesla Model 3 was > the > > > > only vehicle to stay in the lane in all 18 trials. The Model S > > > > overcorrected on only one trial. > > > > > > > > Both the E-Class and S90 stayed in their lane in nine of 17 runs. > BMW’s > > > > 5-series technology stayed in its lane in only three of 16 runs. In > > some > > > > cases, the test vehicle would follow a lead vehicle switching lanes, > > > > rather than staying in its original lane. > > > > > > > > IIHS concluded that the outlook is promising for potential safety > > > > benefits of adaptive cruise control. The institute was less impressed > > > > with active lane-keeping, noting the evidence for safety benefits is > > not > > > > as pronounced as cruise control technology. > > > > > > > > For autonomous vehicles as a whole, IIHS said fully self-driving > > vehicles > > > > are far away from becoming a reality. > > > > > > > > “We’re not ready to say yet which company has the safest > implementation > > > > of Level 2 driver assistance, bu
Re: [MBZ] Windmill tower wastefullness WUZ: OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC
Making silicon crystals is not the most environmentally pretty industry. Panels do not live all that long either. Neither “green” source is all that reliable based on base load requirements. There is a giant need for electron storage to allow them to be useful. Add to that the requirement for massive tracts of land. clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net > On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:15 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > On 13/08/2018 4:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: >> Yeah, every energy source has its downside but at least turbines and solar >> panels don't pollute the air we breathe, nor do they require much tending. >> > Those solar panels require a lot of tending. Got to have a whole lot of folks > out there after dark holding flashlights on them in order to keep the power > flowing. > > RB > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Research shows autonomous cars hitting stopped objects, not staying in lanes
Not for me. Ever. Long live the Luddites. Dwight Giles Jr. 1982 300CD 2005 E320 4matic Wickford RI On Aug 13, 2018 9:30 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" wrote: > Give them another 10 years - - and how many lives? > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 8:01 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Surprise surprise > > > > Dwight Giles Jr. > > Wickford RI > > > > On Aug 13, 2018 8:19 PM, "Craig via Mercedes" > > wrote: > > > > > http://www.landlinemag.com/Story.aspx?StoryID=72797 > > > > > > The self-driving vehicle movement has reached another roadblock, one > that > > > apparently some autonomous vehicles cannot see. In a report released by > > > the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, some Level 2 autonomous > > > vehicles failed to stop for stationary objects, failed to stay in > lanes, > > > or experienced safety issues in other ways. > > > > > > IIHS evaluated the 2017 BMW 5-series with Driving Assistant Plus, 2017 > > > Mercedes-Benz E-Class with Drive Pilot, 2018 Volvo S90 with Pilot > Assist, > > > 2018 Tesla Model 3 and 2016 Model S with Autopilot. Road and track > tests > > > studied the effectiveness of adaptive cruise control and active > > > lane-keeping features. > > > > > > In studying adaptive cruise control, vehicles were subject to four > series > > > of track tests to examine how they respond to another vehicle in front > of > > > them stopped and exiting lanes. One test had the cars going 31 mph > toward > > > a stationary vehicle target with cruise control off and autobrake on. > > > Both Teslas hit the stationary target. > > > > > > With adaptive cruise control on, the BMW, Mercedes and both Tesla > > > vehicles came to a slow, gradual stop, with Tesla cars braking earlier. > > > However, the Volvo S90 braked just 1.1 seconds before impact to avoid > > > collision, resulting in a forceful stop. > > > > > > Another test had the cars following a lead vehicle that changed lanes > to > > > reveal a stationary inflatable target ahead with about 4.3 seconds to > > > impact. With cruise control activated, none of the vehicles struck the > > > target. The Volvo still had a more forceful brake than the other test > > > cars. > > > > > > However, results were less favorable for the technologies away from the > > > track and out on the road. Every vehicle except the Tesla Model 3 > failed > > > to respond to stopped vehicles ahead on an actual road. > > > > > > One researcher was driving the Mercedes E-Class at 55 mph on U.S. 33 > near > > > Ruckersville, Va., with both active cruise control and lane-keeping > > > features activated. With no vehicle in front of her, the E-Class > detected > > > a pickup truck stopped at a traffic light ahead. Unfortunately, the > > > detection system lost sight of the truck and continued at its current > > > speed. The researcher had to hit the brakes herself to avoid a crash. > > > > > > “At IIHS we are coached to intervene without warning, but other drivers > > > might not be as vigilant,” the researcher said in the report. > “(Adaptive > > > cruise control) systems require drivers to pay attention to what the > > > vehicle is doing at all times and be ready to brake manually.” > > > > > > Other vehicles hit the brakes too much. Tesla’s Model 3 slowed down 12 > > > times in 180 miles. Researchers noticed that seven of those times > > > coincided with tree shadows on the road. Other times involved oncoming > > > traffic (in the correct lanes) and vehicles crossing the road far > ahead. > > > > > > Looking into lane-keeping features, test vehicles were subjected to six > > > trials with three different sections of road. The Tesla Model 3 was the > > > only vehicle to stay in the lane in all 18 trials. The Model S > > > overcorrected on only one trial. > > > > > > Both the E-Class and S90 stayed in their lane in nine of 17 runs. BMW’s > > > 5-series technology stayed in its lane in only three of 16 runs. In > some > > > cases, the test vehicle would follow a lead vehicle switching lanes, > > > rather than staying in its original lane. > > > > > > IIHS concluded that the outlook is promising for potential safety > > > benefits of adaptive cruise control. The institute was less impressed > > > with active lane-keeping, noting the evidence for safety benefits is > not > > > as pronounced as cruise control technology. > > > > > > For autonomous vehicles as a whole, IIHS said fully self-driving > vehicles > > > are far away from becoming a reality. > > > > > > “We’re not ready to say yet which company has the safest implementation > > > of Level 2 driver assistance, but it’s important to note that none of > > > these vehicles is capable of driving safely on its own,” said David > Zuby, > > > IIHS chief research officer. “A production autonomous vehicle that can > go > > > anywhere, anytime isn’t available at your local car dealer and won’t be > > > for quite some time. We aren’t there yet.” > > > > > > ___ > > >
Re: [MBZ] Research shows autonomous cars hitting stopped objects, not staying in lanes
Give them another 10 years - - and how many lives? On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 8:01 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Surprise surprise > > Dwight Giles Jr. > Wickford RI > > On Aug 13, 2018 8:19 PM, "Craig via Mercedes" > wrote: > > > http://www.landlinemag.com/Story.aspx?StoryID=72797 > > > > The self-driving vehicle movement has reached another roadblock, one that > > apparently some autonomous vehicles cannot see. In a report released by > > the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, some Level 2 autonomous > > vehicles failed to stop for stationary objects, failed to stay in lanes, > > or experienced safety issues in other ways. > > > > IIHS evaluated the 2017 BMW 5-series with Driving Assistant Plus, 2017 > > Mercedes-Benz E-Class with Drive Pilot, 2018 Volvo S90 with Pilot Assist, > > 2018 Tesla Model 3 and 2016 Model S with Autopilot. Road and track tests > > studied the effectiveness of adaptive cruise control and active > > lane-keeping features. > > > > In studying adaptive cruise control, vehicles were subject to four series > > of track tests to examine how they respond to another vehicle in front of > > them stopped and exiting lanes. One test had the cars going 31 mph toward > > a stationary vehicle target with cruise control off and autobrake on. > > Both Teslas hit the stationary target. > > > > With adaptive cruise control on, the BMW, Mercedes and both Tesla > > vehicles came to a slow, gradual stop, with Tesla cars braking earlier. > > However, the Volvo S90 braked just 1.1 seconds before impact to avoid > > collision, resulting in a forceful stop. > > > > Another test had the cars following a lead vehicle that changed lanes to > > reveal a stationary inflatable target ahead with about 4.3 seconds to > > impact. With cruise control activated, none of the vehicles struck the > > target. The Volvo still had a more forceful brake than the other test > > cars. > > > > However, results were less favorable for the technologies away from the > > track and out on the road. Every vehicle except the Tesla Model 3 failed > > to respond to stopped vehicles ahead on an actual road. > > > > One researcher was driving the Mercedes E-Class at 55 mph on U.S. 33 near > > Ruckersville, Va., with both active cruise control and lane-keeping > > features activated. With no vehicle in front of her, the E-Class detected > > a pickup truck stopped at a traffic light ahead. Unfortunately, the > > detection system lost sight of the truck and continued at its current > > speed. The researcher had to hit the brakes herself to avoid a crash. > > > > “At IIHS we are coached to intervene without warning, but other drivers > > might not be as vigilant,” the researcher said in the report. “(Adaptive > > cruise control) systems require drivers to pay attention to what the > > vehicle is doing at all times and be ready to brake manually.” > > > > Other vehicles hit the brakes too much. Tesla’s Model 3 slowed down 12 > > times in 180 miles. Researchers noticed that seven of those times > > coincided with tree shadows on the road. Other times involved oncoming > > traffic (in the correct lanes) and vehicles crossing the road far ahead. > > > > Looking into lane-keeping features, test vehicles were subjected to six > > trials with three different sections of road. The Tesla Model 3 was the > > only vehicle to stay in the lane in all 18 trials. The Model S > > overcorrected on only one trial. > > > > Both the E-Class and S90 stayed in their lane in nine of 17 runs. BMW’s > > 5-series technology stayed in its lane in only three of 16 runs. In some > > cases, the test vehicle would follow a lead vehicle switching lanes, > > rather than staying in its original lane. > > > > IIHS concluded that the outlook is promising for potential safety > > benefits of adaptive cruise control. The institute was less impressed > > with active lane-keeping, noting the evidence for safety benefits is not > > as pronounced as cruise control technology. > > > > For autonomous vehicles as a whole, IIHS said fully self-driving vehicles > > are far away from becoming a reality. > > > > “We’re not ready to say yet which company has the safest implementation > > of Level 2 driver assistance, but it’s important to note that none of > > these vehicles is capable of driving safely on its own,” said David Zuby, > > IIHS chief research officer. “A production autonomous vehicle that can go > > anywhere, anytime isn’t available at your local car dealer and won’t be > > for quite some time. We aren’t there yet.” > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or ch
Re: [MBZ] Research shows autonomous cars hitting stopped objects, not staying in lanes
Surprise surprise Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Aug 13, 2018 8:19 PM, "Craig via Mercedes" wrote: > http://www.landlinemag.com/Story.aspx?StoryID=72797 > > The self-driving vehicle movement has reached another roadblock, one that > apparently some autonomous vehicles cannot see. In a report released by > the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, some Level 2 autonomous > vehicles failed to stop for stationary objects, failed to stay in lanes, > or experienced safety issues in other ways. > > IIHS evaluated the 2017 BMW 5-series with Driving Assistant Plus, 2017 > Mercedes-Benz E-Class with Drive Pilot, 2018 Volvo S90 with Pilot Assist, > 2018 Tesla Model 3 and 2016 Model S with Autopilot. Road and track tests > studied the effectiveness of adaptive cruise control and active > lane-keeping features. > > In studying adaptive cruise control, vehicles were subject to four series > of track tests to examine how they respond to another vehicle in front of > them stopped and exiting lanes. One test had the cars going 31 mph toward > a stationary vehicle target with cruise control off and autobrake on. > Both Teslas hit the stationary target. > > With adaptive cruise control on, the BMW, Mercedes and both Tesla > vehicles came to a slow, gradual stop, with Tesla cars braking earlier. > However, the Volvo S90 braked just 1.1 seconds before impact to avoid > collision, resulting in a forceful stop. > > Another test had the cars following a lead vehicle that changed lanes to > reveal a stationary inflatable target ahead with about 4.3 seconds to > impact. With cruise control activated, none of the vehicles struck the > target. The Volvo still had a more forceful brake than the other test > cars. > > However, results were less favorable for the technologies away from the > track and out on the road. Every vehicle except the Tesla Model 3 failed > to respond to stopped vehicles ahead on an actual road. > > One researcher was driving the Mercedes E-Class at 55 mph on U.S. 33 near > Ruckersville, Va., with both active cruise control and lane-keeping > features activated. With no vehicle in front of her, the E-Class detected > a pickup truck stopped at a traffic light ahead. Unfortunately, the > detection system lost sight of the truck and continued at its current > speed. The researcher had to hit the brakes herself to avoid a crash. > > “At IIHS we are coached to intervene without warning, but other drivers > might not be as vigilant,” the researcher said in the report. “(Adaptive > cruise control) systems require drivers to pay attention to what the > vehicle is doing at all times and be ready to brake manually.” > > Other vehicles hit the brakes too much. Tesla’s Model 3 slowed down 12 > times in 180 miles. Researchers noticed that seven of those times > coincided with tree shadows on the road. Other times involved oncoming > traffic (in the correct lanes) and vehicles crossing the road far ahead. > > Looking into lane-keeping features, test vehicles were subjected to six > trials with three different sections of road. The Tesla Model 3 was the > only vehicle to stay in the lane in all 18 trials. The Model S > overcorrected on only one trial. > > Both the E-Class and S90 stayed in their lane in nine of 17 runs. BMW’s > 5-series technology stayed in its lane in only three of 16 runs. In some > cases, the test vehicle would follow a lead vehicle switching lanes, > rather than staying in its original lane. > > IIHS concluded that the outlook is promising for potential safety > benefits of adaptive cruise control. The institute was less impressed > with active lane-keeping, noting the evidence for safety benefits is not > as pronounced as cruise control technology. > > For autonomous vehicles as a whole, IIHS said fully self-driving vehicles > are far away from becoming a reality. > > “We’re not ready to say yet which company has the safest implementation > of Level 2 driver assistance, but it’s important to note that none of > these vehicles is capable of driving safely on its own,” said David Zuby, > IIHS chief research officer. “A production autonomous vehicle that can go > anywhere, anytime isn’t available at your local car dealer and won’t be > for quite some time. We aren’t there yet.” > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Research shows autonomous cars hitting stopped objects, not staying in lanes
http://www.landlinemag.com/Story.aspx?StoryID=72797 The self-driving vehicle movement has reached another roadblock, one that apparently some autonomous vehicles cannot see. In a report released by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, some Level 2 autonomous vehicles failed to stop for stationary objects, failed to stay in lanes, or experienced safety issues in other ways. IIHS evaluated the 2017 BMW 5-series with Driving Assistant Plus, 2017 Mercedes-Benz E-Class with Drive Pilot, 2018 Volvo S90 with Pilot Assist, 2018 Tesla Model 3 and 2016 Model S with Autopilot. Road and track tests studied the effectiveness of adaptive cruise control and active lane-keeping features. In studying adaptive cruise control, vehicles were subject to four series of track tests to examine how they respond to another vehicle in front of them stopped and exiting lanes. One test had the cars going 31 mph toward a stationary vehicle target with cruise control off and autobrake on. Both Teslas hit the stationary target. With adaptive cruise control on, the BMW, Mercedes and both Tesla vehicles came to a slow, gradual stop, with Tesla cars braking earlier. However, the Volvo S90 braked just 1.1 seconds before impact to avoid collision, resulting in a forceful stop. Another test had the cars following a lead vehicle that changed lanes to reveal a stationary inflatable target ahead with about 4.3 seconds to impact. With cruise control activated, none of the vehicles struck the target. The Volvo still had a more forceful brake than the other test cars. However, results were less favorable for the technologies away from the track and out on the road. Every vehicle except the Tesla Model 3 failed to respond to stopped vehicles ahead on an actual road. One researcher was driving the Mercedes E-Class at 55 mph on U.S. 33 near Ruckersville, Va., with both active cruise control and lane-keeping features activated. With no vehicle in front of her, the E-Class detected a pickup truck stopped at a traffic light ahead. Unfortunately, the detection system lost sight of the truck and continued at its current speed. The researcher had to hit the brakes herself to avoid a crash. “At IIHS we are coached to intervene without warning, but other drivers might not be as vigilant,” the researcher said in the report. “(Adaptive cruise control) systems require drivers to pay attention to what the vehicle is doing at all times and be ready to brake manually.” Other vehicles hit the brakes too much. Tesla’s Model 3 slowed down 12 times in 180 miles. Researchers noticed that seven of those times coincided with tree shadows on the road. Other times involved oncoming traffic (in the correct lanes) and vehicles crossing the road far ahead. Looking into lane-keeping features, test vehicles were subjected to six trials with three different sections of road. The Tesla Model 3 was the only vehicle to stay in the lane in all 18 trials. The Model S overcorrected on only one trial. Both the E-Class and S90 stayed in their lane in nine of 17 runs. BMW’s 5-series technology stayed in its lane in only three of 16 runs. In some cases, the test vehicle would follow a lead vehicle switching lanes, rather than staying in its original lane. IIHS concluded that the outlook is promising for potential safety benefits of adaptive cruise control. The institute was less impressed with active lane-keeping, noting the evidence for safety benefits is not as pronounced as cruise control technology. For autonomous vehicles as a whole, IIHS said fully self-driving vehicles are far away from becoming a reality. “We’re not ready to say yet which company has the safest implementation of Level 2 driver assistance, but it’s important to note that none of these vehicles is capable of driving safely on its own,” said David Zuby, IIHS chief research officer. “A production autonomous vehicle that can go anywhere, anytime isn’t available at your local car dealer and won’t be for quite some time. We aren’t there yet.” ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Windmill tower wastefullness WUZ: OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC
The manufacturing process for solar panels can be controlled, and once they're made there are no additional impacts. Also, the install panels on my roof have been absolutely trouble 3 for more than 2 years. On Aug 13, 2018 6:18 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" wrote: > Yup - most don't consider the costs and impacts of producing the devices > that produce the power - I doubt that gas turbines are very environmentally > friendly to make either - - - > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 4:26 PM, Craig via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 16:15:48 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > > > On 13/08/2018 4:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > > > Yeah, every energy source has its downside but at least turbines and > > > > solar panels don't pollute the air we breathe, nor do they require > > > > much tending. > > > > > > > Those solar panels require a lot of tending. Got to have a whole lot of > > > folks out there after dark holding flashlights on them in order to keep > > > the power flowing. > > > > They also require very toxic chemicals in their manufacture. > > > > > > Craig > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > -- > OK Don > > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence > for themselves." > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sorry, but blogspots are not news in my world. Call me old school if you will. On Aug 13, 2018 5:31 PM, "G Mann via Mercedes" wrote: > No Charge glad to help you arrive to an informed understanding... > > Re. Maxine Waters Numerous recordings within the past 4 months of her > incitement to public intolerance. Suggest you could be better served with a > simple search on line. > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 2:26 PM, G Mann wrote: > > > Andrew, > > > > Happy to do that. Here is Mr. Johnson on tape, in Congress. > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7XXVLKWd3Q > > > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 2:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> Please provide your citations for these outrageous allegations. > >> > >> On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 5:02 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > > On August 13, 2018 at 4:17 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes < > >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > That must be what Maxine Waters was talking about when she worried > >> Guam > >> > > was in danger of sinking if we kept increasing our military presence > >> > there. > >> > > >> > Hank Johnson said that. > >> > > >> > Waters has said some divisive and mean things, and she's been the > target > >> > of a lot of false memes claiming she said stupid things, like the next > >> > Supreme Court Justice should be an illegal alien. > >> > > >> > ___ > >> > http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > >> > > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Windmill tower wastefullness WUZ: OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC
Yup - most don't consider the costs and impacts of producing the devices that produce the power - I doubt that gas turbines are very environmentally friendly to make either - - - On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 4:26 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 16:15:48 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > > On 13/08/2018 4:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > > Yeah, every energy source has its downside but at least turbines and > > > solar panels don't pollute the air we breathe, nor do they require > > > much tending. > > > > > Those solar panels require a lot of tending. Got to have a whole lot of > > folks out there after dark holding flashlights on them in order to keep > > the power flowing. > > They also require very toxic chemicals in their manufacture. > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Political stuff, was (no subject)
> On August 13, 2018 at 5:15 PM Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > > > Please provide your citations for these outrageous allegations. Which allegations were outrageous? I only made three: Hank Johnson said Guam would tip over from all the military buildup, among other things: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/25/congressman-who-once-feared-guam-could-capsize-compares-jewish-settlers-to-termites.html Maxine Waters is mean spirited and divisive: https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/25/politics/maxine-waters-donald-trump/index.html People posting false memes about Waters' stupidity: https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3dkFOndDxm4/W2xjR2cduII/ZYc/MtlvzGQqZFEMBB7osIz2KLNP0ZuRS3QzQCLcBGAs/s400/36361679_1832836820092692_8881259608052596736_n.jpeg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (no subject)
No Charge glad to help you arrive to an informed understanding... Re. Maxine Waters Numerous recordings within the past 4 months of her incitement to public intolerance. Suggest you could be better served with a simple search on line. On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 2:26 PM, G Mann wrote: > Andrew, > > Happy to do that. Here is Mr. Johnson on tape, in Congress. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7XXVLKWd3Q > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 2:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> Please provide your citations for these outrageous allegations. >> >> On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 5:02 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> > >> > > On August 13, 2018 at 4:17 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes < >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > That must be what Maxine Waters was talking about when she worried >> Guam >> > > was in danger of sinking if we kept increasing our military presence >> > there. >> > >> > Hank Johnson said that. >> > >> > Waters has said some divisive and mean things, and she's been the target >> > of a lot of false memes claiming she said stupid things, like the next >> > Supreme Court Justice should be an illegal alien. >> > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> > >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (no subject)
Andrew, Happy to do that. Here is Mr. Johnson on tape, in Congress. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7XXVLKWd3Q On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 2:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Please provide your citations for these outrageous allegations. > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 5:02 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > On August 13, 2018 at 4:17 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > That must be what Maxine Waters was talking about when she worried Guam > > > was in danger of sinking if we kept increasing our military presence > > there. > > > > Hank Johnson said that. > > > > Waters has said some divisive and mean things, and she's been the target > > of a lot of false memes claiming she said stupid things, like the next > > Supreme Court Justice should be an illegal alien. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Windmill tower wastefullness WUZ: OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC
On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 16:15:48 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: > On 13/08/2018 4:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > Yeah, every energy source has its downside but at least turbines and > > solar panels don't pollute the air we breathe, nor do they require > > much tending. > > > Those solar panels require a lot of tending. Got to have a whole lot of > folks out there after dark holding flashlights on them in order to keep > the power flowing. They also require very toxic chemicals in their manufacture. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Windmill tower wastefullness WUZ: OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC
On 13/08/2018 4:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Yeah, every energy source has its downside but at least turbines and solar panels don't pollute the air we breathe, nor do they require much tending. Those solar panels require a lot of tending. Got to have a whole lot of folks out there after dark holding flashlights on them in order to keep the power flowing. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (no subject)
Please provide your citations for these outrageous allegations. On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 5:02 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > On August 13, 2018 at 4:17 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > That must be what Maxine Waters was talking about when she worried Guam > > was in danger of sinking if we kept increasing our military presence > there. > > Hank Johnson said that. > > Waters has said some divisive and mean things, and she's been the target > of a lot of false memes claiming she said stupid things, like the next > Supreme Court Justice should be an illegal alien. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Windmill tower wastefullness WUZ: OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC
Yeah, every energy source has its downside but at least turbines and solar panels don't pollute the air we breathe, nor do they require much tending. On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > the proponents never talk about these unintended consequences Curley has > pointed out ... as usual. > > Used to be we did "Risk/benefit Analysis" on stuff. > > LarryT > > > On 08/09/2018 8:37 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: > >> Some of it depends on the care taken in installation. (Generally little >> to none.) The soil where the concrete is poured for the foundation can >> never be restored to the same productivity, assuming the electric company >> would actually remove the tower and the concrete. The soil compacted by >> the construction will take decades to return to the original productivity. >> >> If you drive your pickup across a field today, next year the tracks will >> be seen in the field map as lower yield. Yes, that is how accurate the >> current precision farming apps are. >> >> The towers abandoned by HELCO about 20 years ago are still there. Ugly, >> rusty, and unused. They cost too much to take down to cover it by the >> scrap value. >> >> I don't know the current base dimensions. Somewhere around 300 to 400 >> square feet per tower, I'd guess. >> >> Each tower probably lowers the productivity on about an acre, I'd guess, >> allowing for all the truck and crane traffic. >> >> multiply that by thousands of towers, and you start to get the picture. >> >> Curt Raymond wrote: >> >>> How much farmland is ruined by a wind turbine? Does corn care about >>> sharing the fields? Is it worse than a cell tower? >>> >>> Curt >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (no subject)
> On August 13, 2018 at 4:17 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes > wrote: > > > That must be what Maxine Waters was talking about when she worried Guam > was in danger of sinking if we kept increasing our military presence there. Hank Johnson said that. Waters has said some divisive and mean things, and she's been the target of a lot of false memes claiming she said stupid things, like the next Supreme Court Justice should be an illegal alien. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (no subject)
That must be what Maxine Waters was talking about when she worried Guam was in danger of sinking if we kept increasing our military presence there. ;-^ LarryT On 08/09/2018 5:28 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote: Craig wrote: No, it's not sea level rise. It's the earth sinking. Earth sinking - sounds plausible, fracking, oil pumping as assistant to the cause. tin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 126 striker plate screw
> Dan--- wrote: > The plate is captured behind the striker and will not fall into > the void. That is how it is supposed to work. I try to always prove it is captured before I trust it 'cause I have encountered some that were no longer retained. Not on a Mercedes, but I'm still paranoid. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] seat rail 3400 TD
You might want to talk to Kaleb about what he has in the back 40. RB On 12/08/2018 1:37 PM, Mike Esh via Mercedes wrote: I am getting back to work on my 1985 300 TD. I am having new floor pans welded in - Does anyone have and would like to sell a drivers side set of seat rails and nuts and bolts that attach it to the seat and to the floor pan. The seat that came out the car has rusted to the point that the attachments rusted to the original floor pan and cannot be remove The left rail is also used pretty bad. (not sure if I am using the correct terminology) I also will need the attachment points that will be welded to the new floor pan. Can these be ordered new? Who might have them? Thanks, Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Windmill tower wastefullness WUZ: OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC
the proponents never talk about these unintended consequences Curley has pointed out ... as usual. Used to be we did "Risk/benefit Analysis" on stuff. LarryT On 08/09/2018 8:37 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: Some of it depends on the care taken in installation. (Generally little to none.) The soil where the concrete is poured for the foundation can never be restored to the same productivity, assuming the electric company would actually remove the tower and the concrete. The soil compacted by the construction will take decades to return to the original productivity. If you drive your pickup across a field today, next year the tracks will be seen in the field map as lower yield. Yes, that is how accurate the current precision farming apps are. The towers abandoned by HELCO about 20 years ago are still there. Ugly, rusty, and unused. They cost too much to take down to cover it by the scrap value. I don't know the current base dimensions. Somewhere around 300 to 400 square feet per tower, I'd guess. Each tower probably lowers the productivity on about an acre, I'd guess, allowing for all the truck and crane traffic. multiply that by thousands of towers, and you start to get the picture. Curt Raymond wrote: How much farmland is ruined by a wind turbine? Does corn care about sharing the fields? Is it worse than a cell tower? Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 126 striker plate screw
That plate is also loose like that to allow you to adjust the striker plate for correct contact before tightening the screws all the way. Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: The plate is captured behind the striker and will not fall into the void. With all the screws out you might have to use a small stick or some other means to get the holes lined up when you go to reinstall, but the threaded plate won’t go anywhere. Once you get one screw started the rest will line up. -D On Aug 13, 2018, at 6:03 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes wrote: That is a great idea, I will try getting the screw out by drilling it. I have another concern; there appears to be a plate behind the striker plate that the actual striker screw, screws through and it looks like it is behind the frame metal. Is this the case? If so, how do I manage to take the striker off without losing this plate that is probably behind the actual frame metal? I have never had a striker plate actually off a car before; just moved these plates around a bit without actually removing them. Just something I thought might give me more headaches, so that is why I am asking you; it sounds like you have had experience taking these things off completely before. Thanks again. Ralph On Sunday, August 12, 2018 06:08:03 PM ADT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: I always meant to order some cobalt left hand twist bits from the Snap-On truck. Back when I had weekly truck visits, they were in the catalog but not on the truck. It's such a happy moment when your bit jams and the bolt spins out of the hole by accident. Oops, I just checked, now those bits are $8-30 each. And a set of five with matching spiral extractors is $85. Anyway, the striker screws are flat heads, right? You might be able to drill the screw out, take the striker off, and put vice-grips on the stub of screw remaining. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Welcome Back! [was: Re: '87 126 striker plate screw]
On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 08:39:30 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: > The plate is captured behind the striker and will not fall into the > void. With all the screws out you might have to use a small stick or > some other means to get the holes lined up when you go to reinstall, > but the threaded plate won’t go anywhere. Once you get one screw > started the rest will line up. > > -D We have missed you. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 126 striker plate screw
The plate is captured behind the striker and will not fall into the void. With all the screws out you might have to use a small stick or some other means to get the holes lined up when you go to reinstall, but the threaded plate won’t go anywhere. Once you get one screw started the rest will line up. -D > On Aug 13, 2018, at 6:03 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes > wrote: > > That is a great idea, I will try getting the screw out by drilling it. I > have another concern; there appears to be a plate behind the striker plate > that the actual striker screw, screws through and it looks like it is behind > the frame metal. Is this the case? If so, how do I manage to take the > striker off without losing this plate that is probably behind the actual > frame metal? I have never had a striker plate actually off a car before; > just moved these plates around a bit without actually removing them. Just > something I thought might give me more headaches, so that is why I am asking > you; it sounds like you have had experience taking these things off > completely before. Thanks again. > Ralph >On Sunday, August 12, 2018 06:08:03 PM ADT, Mitch Haley > via Mercedes wrote: > > I always meant to order some cobalt left hand twist bits from the Snap-On > truck. > Back when I had weekly truck visits, they were in the catalog but not on the > truck. > It's such a happy moment when your bit jams and the bolt spins out of the > hole by accident. > > Oops, I just checked, now those bits are $8-30 each. > And a set of five with matching spiral extractors is $85. > Anyway, the striker screws are flat heads, right? > You might be able to drill the screw out, take the striker off, and put > vice-grips on the stub of screw remaining. > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 126 striker plate screw
That is a great idea, I will try getting the screw out by drilling it. I have another concern; there appears to be a plate behind the striker plate that the actual striker screw, screws through and it looks like it is behind the frame metal. Is this the case? If so, how do I manage to take the striker off without losing this plate that is probably behind the actual frame metal? I have never had a striker plate actually off a car before; just moved these plates around a bit without actually removing them. Just something I thought might give me more headaches, so that is why I am asking you; it sounds like you have had experience taking these things off completely before. Thanks again. Ralph On Sunday, August 12, 2018 06:08:03 PM ADT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: I always meant to order some cobalt left hand twist bits from the Snap-On truck. Back when I had weekly truck visits, they were in the catalog but not on the truck. It's such a happy moment when your bit jams and the bolt spins out of the hole by accident. Oops, I just checked, now those bits are $8-30 each. And a set of five with matching spiral extractors is $85. Anyway, the striker screws are flat heads, right? You might be able to drill the screw out, take the striker off, and put vice-grips on the stub of screw remaining. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
