Re: [MBZ] Minor amount of flooding

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Who's the U Boat Commander?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-VeArsSizE

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Re: [MBZ] Vacuum pump...

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On Fri, 16 Aug 2019 22:35:21 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes
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> No.  Bad booster?
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> Charleston SC

Maybe bad master cylinder
which caused bad booster
which caused bad vacuum pump?


Craig


> On August 16, 2019 9:31:00 PM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
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Re: [MBZ] Minor amount of flooding

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Worth a gamble?

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Re: [MBZ] Vacuum pump...

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No.  Bad booster?
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Re: [MBZ] Caulk closed the sunroof?

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Randy Bennell wrote:
> Not sure if I am correct as I am just repeating something I was told by 
> a fellow who ran a body shop.
> He said not to use silicon to fill automotive seams. He said it will 
> promote rust.
> He said to go to an auto body shop supplier and buy their seam sealing 
> compound. Comes in tubes like caulking so no more difficult to use.

Seam sealer is what I would try. If it's not available you might try black 
windshield bedding compound available at Autozone and probably other FLAPS. 
It's close to sun-proof, it sticks to metal and glass but can be removed much 
easier than caulking of various sorts if it doesn't work.
Good luck,
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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-AMG G-Class,Myrtle Beach, SC · about a day ago ·,$3,500

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Now i have c class  300CD

Dwight Giles Jr.
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On Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 9:08 PM Dwight Giles  wrote:

> Making joke. Look at ad.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 7:44 PM Curt Raymond  wrote:
>
>> You had E class 240Ds, G class is a whole different thing.
>> https://www.google.com/search?q=g-wagen=lnms=isch=X=0ahUKEwjt0Yb8yIjkAhXNc94KHSmjA_UQ_AUIESgB=1207=1076
>>
>> A 240GD in good shape is $10,000 easy.
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>> On Friday, August 16, 2019, 6:07:19 PM EDT, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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>>
>>
>> I had a couple G class 240D's.
>>
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 5:21 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-AMG G-Class,Myrtle Beach, SC · about a day ago ·,$3,500

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Making joke. Look at ad.

Dwight Giles Jr.
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On Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 7:44 PM Curt Raymond  wrote:

> You had E class 240Ds, G class is a whole different thing.
> https://www.google.com/search?q=g-wagen=lnms=isch=X=0ahUKEwjt0Yb8yIjkAhXNc94KHSmjA_UQ_AUIESgB=1207=1076
>
> A 240GD in good shape is $10,000 easy.
>
> -Curt
>
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> I had a couple G class 240D's.
>
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Re: [MBZ] It's green but it's not...

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I wonder if "needs ignition switch" means "can't turn the key and now you're 
screwed".

And given the condition, seems they tacked on an extra zero at the end of the 
price.


On 8/16/19, Floyd wrote:
>
>1973 Mercedes-Benz 400 SEL
>Savannah, GA? 4 days ago 
>
>$8,500
>https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/508130079933379/
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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-AMG G-Class,Myrtle Beach, SC · about a day ago ·,$3,500

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 You had E class 240Ds, G class is a whole different thing. 
https://www.google.com/search?q=g-wagen=lnms=isch=X=0ahUKEwjt0Yb8yIjkAhXNc94KHSmjA_UQ_AUIESgB=1207=1076
A 240GD in good shape is $10,000 easy.
-Curt

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 I had a couple G class 240D's.

Dwight Giles Jr.
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Re: [MBZ] Caulk closed the sunroof?

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Thanks G Mann, I'll take a look at it.
-- 
Max Dillon
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On August 16, 2019 11:06:44 AM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes  
wrote:
>If pretty isn't a real consideration, consider Henrys roof seal ,  It
>comes
>in black and white.. the white version might not look "to bad".
>They also make a tape to go under the paint on roof seal, if you have
>extreme rust holes to deal with. The stuff is really tough, it will
>hold up
>in Arizona summer heat with roof temps above 160 F... so might work for
>you.
>Comes in quarts, 1/2 gal. and gallons.. or 5 gallon buckets... [in case
>you
>really like it and want to do the whole car.. haha]
>Home Depot, Lowes, etc carry it.
>
>On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 7:37 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Not sure if I am correct as I am just repeating something I was told
>by
>> a fellow who ran a body shop.
>> He said not to use silicon to fill automotive seams. He said it will
>> promote rust.
>> He said to go to an auto body shop supplier and buy their seam
>sealing
>> compound. Comes in tubes like caulking so no more difficult to use.
>>
>>
>> On 16/08/2019 8:40 AM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
>> > Silicon seal in white?
>> >
>> > MG
>> >
>> > Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>> >> I'm considering it.
>> >>
>> >> White Whale water works saga, you may recall, I had sealed the
>> >> sunroof opening with tape, and found the water entry only occurred
>if
>> >> the car was parked flat or facing downhill.  Park it pointing
>uphill,
>> >> no rain got it.
>> >>
>> >> Tape has failed from sun damage, now I get a couple gallons of
>water
>> >> inside even when facing uphill.
>> >>
>> >> In addition, the sunroof motor blows the fuse instantly.
>> >>
>> >> Car is very rusty and will only be in service a few more years.
>> >> Almost 400k miles.
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] Caulk closed the sunroof?

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Thanks Randy, I'll check that out.  Makes sense, but is it UV resistant?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

On August 16, 2019 10:36:36 AM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Not sure if I am correct as I am just repeating something I was told by
>
>a fellow who ran a body shop.
>He said not to use silicon to fill automotive seams. He said it will 
>promote rust.
>He said to go to an auto body shop supplier and buy their seam sealing 
>compound. Comes in tubes like caulking so no more difficult to use.
>
>
>On 16/08/2019 8:40 AM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
>> Silicon seal in white?
>>
>> MG
>>
>> Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I'm considering it.
>>>
>>> White Whale water works saga, you may recall, I had sealed the 
>>> sunroof opening with tape, and found the water entry only occurred
>if 
>>> the car was parked flat or facing downhill.  Park it pointing
>uphill, 
>>> no rain got it.
>>>
>>> Tape has failed from sun damage, now I get a couple gallons of water
>
>>> inside even when facing uphill.
>>>
>>> In addition, the sunroof motor blows the fuse instantly.
>>>
>>> Car is very rusty and will only be in service a few more years. 
>>> Almost 400k miles.
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[MBZ] Classic MBs & Ewy

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Check out this video of a Mercedes’ get together in Sweden with loads of old 
MBs and Ewy Rosqvist (MB factory GP driver):

https://youtu.be/fDG0FHW-XgU

-D



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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-AMG G-Class,Myrtle Beach, SC · about a day ago ·,$3,500

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G as in great.

On Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 6:07 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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> I had a couple G class 240D's.
>
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Re: [MBZ] It's green but it's not...

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Where is the E in the SL?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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> 1973 Mercedes-Benz 400 SEL
> Savannah, GA· 4 days ago
> <
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/508130079933379/?ref=product_details>·
>
>
> $8,500
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/508130079933379/
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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-AMG G-Class,Myrtle Beach, SC · about a day ago ·,$3,500

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I had a couple G class 240D's.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-AMG G-Class,Myrtle Beach, SC · about a day ago ·,$3,500

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Is it a G-class?
Because any intact G-wagen should be worth $3500.

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[MBZ] It's green but it's not...

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

1973 Mercedes-Benz 400 SEL
Savannah, GA· 4 days ago 
· 


$8,500
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/508130079933379/

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[MBZ] 1983 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-AMG G-Class,Myrtle Beach, SC · about a day ago ·,$3,500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Crack is a Real Thing

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/721627028296769/

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Re: [MBZ] 2005 Mercedes-Benz M-Class ML 500 Sport Utility 4D $2000

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

There are nicer ones that aren’t as beat up for that kind of money. Between 
fixing the bumpers, PS hose, battery and tires you’ll be into it for another 
$1500, easy.

And that color is pretty awful. My $1300 ML500 looked better than that when I 
bought it.

-D


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[MBZ] Fairly firm on price .. no low ballers or tire kickers please. Serious inquires.

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

1995 Mercedes-Benz S-Class S 320 LWB Sedan 4D
Summerville, SC· 18 hours ago 
· 


$7,500
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/847204972330283/

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[MBZ] 2005 Mercedes-Benz M-Class ML 500 Sport Utility 4D $2000

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Re: [MBZ] Crapped out cheep crappy cheep WUZ: 123 bubble

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Isn't this the one that has killed 2 vehicles already? If he's already proven 
to not take care of even middle aged vehicles what makes you think he can 
handle something older?
Randy is going to have a heart attack but I agree with him completely, a 
Corolla or Civic is the right choice here. Many dealerships will throw in 
maintenance for the warranty period which is probably 5 years, he'll just have 
to take it in when they tell him to.For those 5 years (at least) no mechanic 
will be required, the car will just work.
Actually as I think of it a Chevy Cruze, if he can still get one, is probably 
an even better choice out in the hinterlands. Chevy still has dealerships all 
over the place.

-Curt

On Friday, August 16, 2019, 2:33:56 PM EDT, Clay Monroe via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Cars have become appliances that you toss out once the ash tray is full.  My 
personal vote would be for something old and simple that most any idiot at a 
repair place can fix without computers.  That speaks to being reliable, though 
it might take some attention to keep it on the road.  The new stuff is all just 
a video game computer that interferes with the ability of the vehicle to run 
should some errant bit of code get unhappy.

The opportunity to find a simple New car is limited by his location in the 
vacant oil field town in ND. Pretty much only the big three, one of which sells 
honda cars.  He would have to visit a larger town two hours away to access the 
other imports.  Then there would be the need to find qualified mechanic in 
town, should something go wrong.

I really like the space afforded by the cars of the 60’s and 70’s.  Terrible 
fuel usage, but … s much room.

clay


> On Aug 16, 2019, at 9:28 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It sort of sounds like your son should go and lease or buy a new minimal 
> vehicle (Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla maybe) and take it in to the dealer 
> for routine service. A new vehicle should give him relatively trouble free 
> service for the length of the lease or payment plan and then he should turn 
> it in and get another. He has not had good luck with vehicles and some of 
> that is likely due to a lack of attention to them on his part.
> 
> You personally may well be able to keep an old vehicle moving forward but it 
> does not sound like he has the same skills or interests and if he is no where 
> near you for help and assistance, he needs a vehicle that will not cause him 
> trouble.
> 
> My elder son is not good at that sort of thing either. When he lived here, my 
> mechanic younger son and I kept an eye on the elder son's vehicle and made 
> the repairs. When he moved to a new job, 1200 miles away, we encouraged him 
> to get a new vehicle and he did. He got a new Mazda 3. It has served him well 
> so far.
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Re: [MBZ] Crapped out cheep crappy cheep WUZ: 123 bubble

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

My folks had 3 Liberties with the 3.7, it's okay. I think it's disappointing 
compared to the old 4.0 but seems adequate and uses less fuel. I forget exact 
mileage but each of theirs got replaced for other issues, not engine breakdown. 
Dad's did over 150,000 miles for sure. The first one was short lived but it got 
totalled in the driveway by a high speed drunk...

Curt

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Mercedes wrote:   His 2006 is, was, running the 3.7 
liter v6.  I think it was something AMC cooked up before chrysler sucked them up



clay

> On Aug 15, 2019, at 8:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Depends on what engine we're talking about. The straight sixes like the 232, 
> 258 and the 4.0l HO (which I think was the 232) were very robust and lasted 
> forever. The v8s in the more recent stuff are just Chrysler engines. I've had 
> excellent luck with them, my Dakota had the magnum 318 which was bulletproof 
> at 222,000 miles when the body was rusted out. My current 2010 RAM 5.7l has 
> 135,000 miles and has had nothing done to it, not even sparkplugs. I bought 
> plugs to put in it but it runs perfectly so I've never bothered. There are 16 
> of them and some look fairly painful.
> The 4.xl V8s don't have a great reputation...
> 
> -Curt
> 
>    On Thursday, August 15, 2019, 10:41:55 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> wrote:  
> 
> Cheep engines crap out early and often.  Therefore good used engines are 
> scarce and EXPENSIVE. They are the most expensive junkyard engines.  
> Its probably not worth a crate engine.  A sbc may be an option, but 
> probably not worth it. Probably time to sell it, lick his wounds and buy 
> a old frod or dogde peekup.  (Or suggested exploder)
> 
> A guy I know who buys junk at the auto auction and puts in engines, 
> trans or whatever is needed to make em run so he can sell em, gave me 
> the story on the cheep engines.  He also said earlier exploders are 
> built so that it should be easy to stick an OM617 in them.
> 
> Clay Monroe via Mercedes wrote on 8/14/19 9:50 PM:
>> The Cheep Crap Cherkee of #1 boy, the one with the inquiry about how to 
>> measure ATF level seems to have crapped itself.  Not sure of the extent of 
>> damage, but too many sensors were feeding the wrong data and it went into 
>> terminal limp mode.  Knocking something horrid and not wanting to drive or 
>> run.  Many failure lights on the dash and a plethora of codes.  The owner 
>> wants support for a way forward.  Should he attempt a rebuild of the engine 
>> or toss in a supposed good one?
>> 
>> My feelings were that he not waste time on a rebuild, but to put something 
>> running in and save for a more reliable vehicle.  Like a 300TD or an SDL.  
>> My opinion.  Better that he get an early frod exploder or other less 
>> computer controlled ride to get him to and from work.  His corner of ND has 
>> a frod store and a chrypsler/fiat/cheep outlet.  He was not sure about 
>> chebby.
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jet plane crash

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Given the flame out I would attribute their survival to pure luck.

On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 3:06 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Nope - they had a good landing - they walked away. A great landing is when
> you can use the airplane again ...
>
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 1:44 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Was there more to this thread?
> >
> >
> > On 16/08/2019 11:00 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> > > Praise Dale!  Raise Hell!  Junior survived an off-road excursion by
> > > his jet yesterday.  Did not end well for the jet but all souls on
> > > board seemed to have escaped major harm.  Looks like pilot landed a
> > > little hot/long and ran off the end of the runway.
> > >
> > > --FT
> > >
> > > On 8/15/19 10:59 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> aircraft crash-landed
> > >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jet plane crash

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Nope - they had a good landing - they walked away. A great landing is when
you can use the airplane again ...

On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 1:44 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Was there more to this thread?
>
>
> On 16/08/2019 11:00 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> > Praise Dale!  Raise Hell!  Junior survived an off-road excursion by
> > his jet yesterday.  Did not end well for the jet but all souls on
> > board seemed to have escaped major harm.  Looks like pilot landed a
> > little hot/long and ran off the end of the runway.
> >
> > --FT
> >
> > On 8/15/19 10:59 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> >> aircraft crash-landed
> >
>
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pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Crapped out cheep crappy cheep WUZ: 123 bubble

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Well, given where he is, a used F150 might be the ticket - solid and lots
of repair services available. Doesn't matter whether he needs the bed for
hauling things or not - it's just transportation, and there ought to be
lots of them to choose from.

On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 1:33 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Cars have become appliances that you toss out once the ash tray is full.
> My personal vote would be for something old and simple that most any idiot
> at a repair place can fix without computers.  That speaks to being
> reliable, though it might take some attention to keep it on the road.  The
> new stuff is all just a video game computer that interferes with the
> ability of the vehicle to run should some errant bit of code get unhappy.
>
> The opportunity to find a simple New car is limited by his location in the
> vacant oil field town in ND. Pretty much only the big three, one of which
> sells honda cars.  He would have to visit a larger town two hours away to
> access the other imports.  Then there would be the need to find qualified
> mechanic in town, should something go wrong.
>
> I really like the space afforded by the cars of the 60’s and 70’s.
> Terrible fuel usage, but … s much room.
>
> clay
>
> OK Don

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
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2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jet plane crash

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Was there more to this thread?


On 16/08/2019 11:00 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
Praise Dale!  Raise Hell!  Junior survived an off-road excursion by 
his jet yesterday.  Did not end well for the jet but all souls on 
board seemed to have escaped major harm.  Looks like pilot landed a 
little hot/long and ran off the end of the runway.


--FT

On 8/15/19 10:59 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

aircraft crash-landed





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Re: [MBZ] Crapped out cheep crappy cheep WUZ: 123 bubble

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

Cars have become appliances that you toss out once the ash tray is full.  My 
personal vote would be for something old and simple that most any idiot at a 
repair place can fix without computers.  That speaks to being reliable, though 
it might take some attention to keep it on the road.  The new stuff is all just 
a video game computer that interferes with the ability of the vehicle to run 
should some errant bit of code get unhappy.

The opportunity to find a simple New car is limited by his location in the 
vacant oil field town in ND. Pretty much only the big three, one of which sells 
honda cars.  He would have to visit a larger town two hours away to access the 
other imports.  Then there would be the need to find qualified mechanic in 
town, should something go wrong.

I really like the space afforded by the cars of the 60’s and 70’s.  Terrible 
fuel usage, but … s much room.

clay


> On Aug 16, 2019, at 9:28 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It sort of sounds like your son should go and lease or buy a new minimal 
> vehicle (Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla maybe) and take it in to the dealer 
> for routine service. A new vehicle should give him relatively trouble free 
> service for the length of the lease or payment plan and then he should turn 
> it in and get another. He has not had good luck with vehicles and some of 
> that is likely due to a lack of attention to them on his part.
> 
> You personally may well be able to keep an old vehicle moving forward but it 
> does not sound like he has the same skills or interests and if he is no where 
> near you for help and assistance, he needs a vehicle that will not cause him 
> trouble.
> 
> My elder son is not good at that sort of thing either. When he lived here, my 
> mechanic younger son and I kept an eye on the elder son's vehicle and made 
> the repairs. When he moved to a new job, 1200 miles away, we encouraged him 
> to get a new vehicle and he did. He got a new Mazda 3. It has served him well 
> so far.
> 


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[MBZ] Milan Brown 6.9 on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Not causing a bidding frenzy - yet.  In almost any other color the price
would be over $20k by now...

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1979-mercedes-benz-450sel-6-9-8/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2019-08-16
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Re: [MBZ] Crapped out cheep crappy cheep WUZ: 123 bubble

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

His 2006 is, was, running the 3.7 liter v6.  I think it was something AMC 
cooked up before chrysler sucked them up



clay

> On Aug 15, 2019, at 8:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Depends on what engine we're talking about. The straight sixes like the 232, 
> 258 and the 4.0l HO (which I think was the 232) were very robust and lasted 
> forever. The v8s in the more recent stuff are just Chrysler engines. I've had 
> excellent luck with them, my Dakota had the magnum 318 which was bulletproof 
> at 222,000 miles when the body was rusted out. My current 2010 RAM 5.7l has 
> 135,000 miles and has had nothing done to it, not even sparkplugs. I bought 
> plugs to put in it but it runs perfectly so I've never bothered. There are 16 
> of them and some look fairly painful.
> The 4.xl V8s don't have a great reputation...
> 
> -Curt
> 
>On Thursday, August 15, 2019, 10:41:55 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Cheep engines crap out early and often.  Therefore good used engines are 
> scarce and EXPENSIVE. They are the most expensive junkyard engines.   
> Its probably not worth a crate engine.   A sbc may be an option, but 
> probably not worth it. Probably time to sell it, lick his wounds and buy 
> a old frod or dogde peekup.  (Or suggested exploder)
> 
> A guy I know who buys junk at the auto auction and puts in engines, 
> trans or whatever is needed to make em run so he can sell em, gave me 
> the story on the cheep engines.   He also said earlier exploders are 
> built so that it should be easy to stick an OM617 in them.
> 
> Clay Monroe via Mercedes wrote on 8/14/19 9:50 PM:
>> The Cheep Crap Cherkee of #1 boy, the one with the inquiry about how to 
>> measure ATF level seems to have crapped itself.  Not sure of the extent of 
>> damage, but too many sensors were feeding the wrong data and it went into 
>> terminal limp mode.  Knocking something horrid and not wanting to drive or 
>> run.  Many failure lights on the dash and a plethora of codes.  The owner 
>> wants support for a way forward.  Should he attempt a rebuild of the engine 
>> or toss in a supposed good one?
>> 
>> My feelings were that he not waste time on a rebuild, but to put something 
>> running in and save for a more reliable vehicle.  Like a 300TD or an SDL.  
>> My opinion.  Better that he get an early frod exploder or other less 
>> computer controlled ride to get him to and from work.  His corner of ND has 
>> a frod store and a chrypsler/fiat/cheep outlet.  He was not sure about 
>> chebby.
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Was Crapped out cheep crappy cheep NOW spark plugs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

NeverSeez always goes on spark plug threads.  Yeah, I know, champion et 
al say no, but experience sez Apply NevrSeize   Same for GPs, but you 
have to be careful so it stays on threads only.  None on the tip of the GP.


G Mann via Mercedes wrote on 8/16/19 11:07 AM:

Suggest the use of Never Seize on new plug threads on install into aluminum
heads... New plug design says they are coated with thread protection, to
stop them from seizing into aluminum head, but. a little dab now saves
trouble later.





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Re: [MBZ] Crapped out cheep crappy cheep WUZ: 123 bubble

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

It sort of sounds like your son should go and lease or buy a new minimal 
vehicle (Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla maybe) and take it in to the 
dealer for routine service. A new vehicle should give him relatively 
trouble free service for the length of the lease or payment plan and 
then he should turn it in and get another. He has not had good luck with 
vehicles and some of that is likely due to a lack of attention to them 
on his part.


You personally may well be able to keep an old vehicle moving forward 
but it does not sound like he has the same skills or interests and if he 
is no where near you for help and assistance, he needs a vehicle that 
will not cause him trouble.


My elder son is not good at that sort of thing either. When he lived 
here, my mechanic younger son and I kept an eye on the elder son's 
vehicle and made the repairs. When he moved to a new job, 1200 miles 
away, we encouraged him to get a new vehicle and he did. He got a new 
Mazda 3. It has served him well so far.




On 15/08/2019 9:41 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Cheep engines crap out early and often.  Therefore good used engines 
are scarce and EXPENSIVE. They are the most expensive junkyard 
engines.   Its probably not worth a crate engine.   A sbc may be an 
option, but probably not worth it. Probably time to sell it, lick his 
wounds and buy a old frod or dogde peekup.  (Or suggested exploder)


A guy I know who buys junk at the auto auction and puts in engines, 
trans or whatever is needed to make em run so he can sell em, gave me 
the story on the cheep engines.   He also said earlier exploders are 
built so that it should be easy to stick an OM617 in them.


Clay Monroe via Mercedes wrote on 8/14/19 9:50 PM:
The Cheep Crap Cherkee of #1 boy, the one with the inquiry about how 
to measure ATF level seems to have crapped itself.  Not sure of the 
extent of damage, but too many sensors were feeding the wrong data 
and it went into terminal limp mode.  Knocking something horrid and 
not wanting to drive or run.  Many failure lights on the dash and a 
plethora of codes.  The owner wants support for a way forward.  
Should he attempt a rebuild of the engine or toss in a supposed good 
one?


My feelings were that he not waste time on a rebuild, but to put 
something running in and save for a more reliable vehicle. Like a 
300TD or an SDL.  My opinion.  Better that he get an early frod 
exploder or other less computer controlled ride to get him to and 
from work.  His corner of ND has a frod store and a 
chrypsler/fiat/cheep outlet.  He was not sure about chebby.



clay





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Re: [MBZ] Was Crapped out cheep crappy cheep NOW spark plugs

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Yup

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 16, 2019, at 12:03 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> If the heads are aluminum (and they likely are) it might be a good idea to 
> change the plugs anyway just to ensure that they are not seized in there for 
> good.
> 
>> On 15/08/2019 10:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>  Depends on what engine we're talking about. The straight sixes like the 
>> 232, 258 and the 4.0l HO (which I think was the 232) were very robust and 
>> lasted forever. The v8s in the more recent stuff are just Chrysler engines. 
>> I've had excellent luck with them, my Dakota had the magnum 318 which was 
>> bulletproof at 222,000 miles when the body was rusted out. My current 2010 
>> RAM 5.7l has 135,000 miles and has had nothing done to it, not even 
>> sparkplugs. I bought plugs to put in it but it runs perfectly so I've never 
>> bothered. There are 16 of them and some look fairly painful.
>> The 4.xl V8s don't have a great reputation...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Was Crapped out cheep crappy cheep NOW spark plugs

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Suggest the use of Never Seize on new plug threads on install into aluminum
heads... New plug design says they are coated with thread protection, to
stop them from seizing into aluminum head, but. a little dab now saves
trouble later.

On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 9:04 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> If the heads are aluminum (and they likely are) it might be a good idea
> to change the plugs anyway just to ensure that they are not seized in
> there for good.
>
> On 15/08/2019 10:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >   Depends on what engine we're talking about. The straight sixes like
> the 232, 258 and the 4.0l HO (which I think was the 232) were very robust
> and lasted forever. The v8s in the more recent stuff are just Chrysler
> engines. I've had excellent luck with them, my Dakota had the magnum 318
> which was bulletproof at 222,000 miles when the body was rusted out. My
> current 2010 RAM 5.7l has 135,000 miles and has had nothing done to it, not
> even sparkplugs. I bought plugs to put in it but it runs perfectly so I've
> never bothered. There are 16 of them and some look fairly painful.
> > The 4.xl V8s don't have a great reputation...
> >
> > -Curt
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Was Crapped out cheep crappy cheep NOW spark plugs

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

If the heads are aluminum (and they likely are) it might be a good idea 
to change the plugs anyway just to ensure that they are not seized in 
there for good.


On 15/08/2019 10:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

  Depends on what engine we're talking about. The straight sixes like the 232, 
258 and the 4.0l HO (which I think was the 232) were very robust and lasted 
forever. The v8s in the more recent stuff are just Chrysler engines. I've had 
excellent luck with them, my Dakota had the magnum 318 which was bulletproof at 
222,000 miles when the body was rusted out. My current 2010 RAM 5.7l has 
135,000 miles and has had nothing done to it, not even sparkplugs. I bought 
plugs to put in it but it runs perfectly so I've never bothered. There are 16 
of them and some look fairly painful.
The 4.xl V8s don't have a great reputation...

-Curt




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Re: [MBZ] Caulk closed the sunroof?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

With valve covers, the engine heat likely keeps them dry and the oil 
bath probably prevents rust as well.




On 16/08/2019 10:53 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Acetic acid?
It's a carrier in the silicone sealant, but I haven't noticed an issue on it 
with stuff like stamped steel valve covers.
Mitch.


On August 16, 2019 at 10:36 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Not sure if I am correct as I am just repeating something I was told by
a fellow who ran a body shop.
He said not to use silicon to fill automotive seams. He said it will
promote rust.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jet plane crash

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Praise Dale!  Raise Hell!  Junior survived an off-road excursion by his 
jet yesterday.  Did not end well for the jet but all souls on board 
seemed to have escaped major harm.  Looks like pilot landed a little 
hot/long and ran off the end of the runway.


--FT

On 8/15/19 10:59 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

aircraft crash-landed


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Re: [MBZ] Caulk closed the sunroof?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I tried silicone sealant on the sunroof on the SLC - didn't work, even with
considerable cleaning of the adjacent surfaces. If I had another sunroof to
deal with, I'd MIG it closed.

On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 9:37 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Not sure if I am correct as I am just repeating something I was told by
> a fellow who ran a body shop.
> He said not to use silicon to fill automotive seams. He said it will
> promote rust.
> He said to go to an auto body shop supplier and buy their seam sealing
> compound. Comes in tubes like caulking so no more difficult to use.
>

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for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] Caulk closed the sunroof?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Acetic acid?
It's a carrier in the silicone sealant, but I haven't noticed an issue on it 
with stuff like stamped steel valve covers. 
Mitch.

> On August 16, 2019 at 10:36 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Not sure if I am correct as I am just repeating something I was told by 
> a fellow who ran a body shop.
> He said not to use silicon to fill automotive seams. He said it will 
> promote rust.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Myers Jet pump

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Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 8/10/19 4:00 PM:

Look on fleabay and the river of large women for the rebuild kit for the Myers. 
 Probably just need a new impeller, plus a seal.  Bearings from a bearing house 
if you take the electric motor apart.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric plane crash

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Shel was a genius.

The other one that is good (Dan may have heard of it) is a vinyl record 
of Milwaukeetalk:  Where the Streetcar Bends the Corner Around.


Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 8/16/19 12:44 AM:

I've done it! I've done it!
And guess what I've done
I've invented a light
That plugs into the sun
The sun is bright enough
The bulb is strong enough
There's just one thing wrong -
The cord ain't long enough.

- Shel Silverstien

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 9:25 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Remember those motorized model airplanes that were tethered to a handle
that you twirled around?

Maybe rather than batteries they should pursue the idea of extremely long
extension cords.

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 11:47 AM Craig via Mercedes 
On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 10:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:


“This is a start … but we have to make jet fuel a lot more expensive,”
said Arild Hermstad, a leader of the Green Party.

Yes, we know what is best for you, just give us the power to enforce our
will on you ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Caulk closed the sunroof?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

If pretty isn't a real consideration, consider Henrys roof seal ,  It comes
in black and white.. the white version might not look "to bad".
They also make a tape to go under the paint on roof seal, if you have
extreme rust holes to deal with. The stuff is really tough, it will hold up
in Arizona summer heat with roof temps above 160 F... so might work for you.
Comes in quarts, 1/2 gal. and gallons.. or 5 gallon buckets... [in case you
really like it and want to do the whole car.. haha]
Home Depot, Lowes, etc carry it.

On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 7:37 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Not sure if I am correct as I am just repeating something I was told by
> a fellow who ran a body shop.
> He said not to use silicon to fill automotive seams. He said it will
> promote rust.
> He said to go to an auto body shop supplier and buy their seam sealing
> compound. Comes in tubes like caulking so no more difficult to use.
>
>
> On 16/08/2019 8:40 AM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
> > Silicon seal in white?
> >
> > MG
> >
> > Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I'm considering it.
> >>
> >> White Whale water works saga, you may recall, I had sealed the
> >> sunroof opening with tape, and found the water entry only occurred if
> >> the car was parked flat or facing downhill.  Park it pointing uphill,
> >> no rain got it.
> >>
> >> Tape has failed from sun damage, now I get a couple gallons of water
> >> inside even when facing uphill.
> >>
> >> In addition, the sunroof motor blows the fuse instantly.
> >>
> >> Car is very rusty and will only be in service a few more years.
> >> Almost 400k miles.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Caulk closed the sunroof?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Not sure if I am correct as I am just repeating something I was told by 
a fellow who ran a body shop.
He said not to use silicon to fill automotive seams. He said it will 
promote rust.
He said to go to an auto body shop supplier and buy their seam sealing 
compound. Comes in tubes like caulking so no more difficult to use.



On 16/08/2019 8:40 AM, MG via Mercedes wrote:

Silicon seal in white?

MG

Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I'm considering it.

White Whale water works saga, you may recall, I had sealed the 
sunroof opening with tape, and found the water entry only occurred if 
the car was parked flat or facing downhill.  Park it pointing uphill, 
no rain got it.


Tape has failed from sun damage, now I get a couple gallons of water 
inside even when facing uphill.


In addition, the sunroof motor blows the fuse instantly.

Car is very rusty and will only be in service a few more years. 
Almost 400k miles.


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Re: [MBZ] Caulk closed the sunroof?

[MG via Mercedes]

Silicon seal in white?

MG

Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I'm considering it.

White Whale water works saga, you may recall, I had sealed the sunroof opening 
with tape, and found the water entry only occurred if the car was parked flat 
or facing downhill.  Park it pointing uphill, no rain got it.

Tape has failed from sun damage, now I get a couple gallons of water inside 
even when facing uphill.

In addition, the sunroof motor blows the fuse instantly.

Car is very rusty and will only be in service a few more years.  Almost 400k 
miles.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric plane crash

[MG via Mercedes]

would be nice to add the link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AH9fiGRF6A

MG via Mercedes wrote:
You might find this of interest from 9-10 months ago. He has more recent 
videos also. I think he is starting to manufacture them.


Mg

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
Now many of the hobby aircraft are run off Lion batteries though some 
hobbyists still use the fuel engines.  All the multi-copters 
(("drones") are because the electric power can be modulated to control 
the various rotors for speed, direction, etc.


Scaling up is an issue...

--FT

On 8/15/19 12:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Remember those motorized model airplanes that were tethered to a handle
that you twirled around?

Maybe rather than batteries they should pursue the idea of extremely 
long

extension cords.

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 11:47 AM Craig via Mercedes 


wrote:


On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 10:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:


“This is a start … but we have to make jet fuel a lot more expensive,”
said Arild Hermstad, a leader of the Green Party.
Yes, we know what is best for you, just give us the power to enforce 
our

will on you ...


Craig

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[MBZ] Caulk closed the sunroof?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I'm considering it.

White Whale water works saga, you may recall, I had sealed the sunroof opening 
with tape, and found the water entry only occurred if the car was parked flat 
or facing downhill.  Park it pointing uphill, no rain got it.

Tape has failed from sun damage, now I get a couple gallons of water inside 
even when facing uphill.

In addition, the sunroof motor blows the fuse instantly.

Car is very rusty and will only be in service a few more years.  Almost 400k 
miles.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric plane crash

[MG via Mercedes]

You might find this of interest from 9-10 months 
ago. He has more recent videos also. I think he is 
starting to manufacture them.


Mg

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
Now many of the hobby aircraft are run off Lion batteries though some 
hobbyists still use the fuel engines.  All the multi-copters (("drones") 
are because the electric power can be modulated to control the various 
rotors for speed, direction, etc.


Scaling up is an issue...

--FT

On 8/15/19 12:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Remember those motorized model airplanes that were tethered to a handle
that you twirled around?

Maybe rather than batteries they should pursue the idea of extremely long
extension cords.

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 11:47 AM Craig via Mercedes 


wrote:


On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 10:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:


“This is a start … but we have to make jet fuel a lot more expensive,”
said Arild Hermstad, a leader of the Green Party.

Yes, we know what is best for you, just give us the power to enforce our
will on you ...


Craig

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