Re: [MBZ] Worth messing with?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Very sad.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 8:28 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Dude says it has been sitting and not ran since 87.
>
> On 4/21/2020 7:08 PM, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> > $2500 is a good place to start if everything is there and it runs. If it
> hasn’t been started since 1987 that’s an issue.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Apr 21, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> What is it worth?
> >>
> >>> On 4/21/2020 6:47 PM, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Bummer that the paint is thrashed. Big bucks to sort that thing out.
> Fun project, though.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
>  On Apr 21, 2020, at 7:35 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

[Clay via Mercedes]

There is still all the cargo airlines.  UPS/Amazon/FedEx, as well as 
international carriers with lots of space to move products instead of people.  
Article in todays local news was about the steady increase in cargo flights and 
massive reduction in people planes.  There is constant (50-90 plane) cargo 
volume (all the cheep chinee contaminated test kits and PPE) vs around six 
passenger flights landing in the past 24 hours.  Four Alaska air flights 
instead of the normal few dozens.  Delta had a single flight, as did United.

Tennessee and other cargo hubs must be seeing lots of volume and getting 
inexpensive JetA that is not going into tourist flights.

clay 

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> On Apr 21, 2020, at 2:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> True, and think of the huge volumes of jet fuel that aren’t being consumed, 
> either. Lots of idle time at the refinery…
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 1:16 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I probably wrote this before, but it bears repeating. Sooner or later the 
>> refineries will run out of storage for gasoline. When that happens, they 
>> will cease production. The refining process can only be skewed a few percent 
>> in favor of diesel or gasoline. Depending on the consumption of fuels 
>> adjacent to diesel on the cracking spectrum, the availability of diesel fuel 
>> could potentially be interrupted. Which, if you receive anything by truck, 
>> will be a bit of a glitch in your supply chain. 
>> 
>> Rick


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Re: [MBZ] Worth messing with?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Dude says it has been sitting and not ran since 87.

On 4/21/2020 7:08 PM, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

$2500 is a good place to start if everything is there and it runs. If it hasn’t 
been started since 1987 that’s an issue.

-D


On Apr 21, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

What is it worth?


On 4/21/2020 6:47 PM, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
Bummer that the paint is thrashed. Big bucks to sort that thing out. Fun 
project, though.

-D


On Apr 21, 2020, at 7:35 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/539933373383391/


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Re: [MBZ] Worth messing with?

[dan--- via Mercedes]

$2500 is a good place to start if everything is there and it runs. If it hasn’t 
been started since 1987 that’s an issue.

-D

> On Apr 21, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> What is it worth?
> 
>> On 4/21/2020 6:47 PM, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> Bummer that the paint is thrashed. Big bucks to sort that thing out. Fun 
>> project, though.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 7:35 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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Re: [MBZ] Worth messing with?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

What is it worth?

On 4/21/2020 6:47 PM, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Bummer that the paint is thrashed. Big bucks to sort that thing out. Fun 
project, though.

-D


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Re: [MBZ] Worth messing with?

[dan--- via Mercedes]

Bummer that the paint is thrashed. Big bucks to sort that thing out. Fun 
project, though.

-D

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[MBZ] Worth messing with?

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: Pulse Oxymetry to detect COVID-19

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> Watched a video on that, sounds like the virus affects red blood cells so 
> they can't carry as much O2. Nasty. I wonder in a transfusion would be 
> effective?
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?hspart=iba=r=yhs-1=gyff_8783_FFW_US=transfusions+coronavirus=InsieWlkIjoiZ3lmZiIsImN0YWciOiI4NzgzIiwidmVyc2lvbiI6IjEuMC4wIn0i


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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

One advantage of bunker C is that at normal seagoing temperatures it's very, 
very viscous.  That means it doesn't slop around in tanks.

Also means it has to be heated to move it at any normal flow rate, it's really 
what's left after all the lighter stuff is distilled out, column bottoms is the 
other name.  High ash content too.
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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I just bought 55 gallons of pure gasoline (at least no ethanol) at $1.479
per gallon.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 10:51 AM M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> $1.27 at Walleyworld in Springdale, AR.
>
> Indexing for inflation, regular gas is now cheaper than it was in the 60s
> at the height of the muscle car boom...
>
> -MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

You are correct. I was thinking about it relative to the refining aspect. 
Number 6 is Bunker C, and it has a BTU content of around 150,000 BTU/gallon, 
where Number 2 diesel is around 140,000 BTU/gallon.

However, as previously noted, bunker fuel needs to be heated to be atomized 
whereas number 2 does not.

-D

> On Apr 21, 2020, at 5:45 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> Dan wrote:
> 
>> Bunker fuel is about the bottom of the refining chain, as it’s
>> about as close as you can get to crude. Very low BTU content,
>> quite heavy, too, as I recall.
> 
> Err, BTU content of bunker fuel is high.  Higher than diesel.
> 
> Though there are two ways of measuring - energy/volume or
> energy/mass.  Bunker C rates quite high on energy/volume as it is
> dense.  Propane rates much higher on energy/mass.
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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

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> Dan wrote:

> Bunker fuel is about the bottom of the refining chain, as it’s
> about as close as you can get to crude. Very low BTU content,
> quite heavy, too, as I recall.

Err, BTU content of bunker fuel is high.  Higher than diesel.

Though there are two ways of measuring - energy/volume or
energy/mass.  Bunker C rates quite high on energy/volume as it is
dense.  Propane rates much higher on energy/mass.

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: Pulse Oxymetry to detect COVID-19

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Won't work for me-I lost most of my sense of smell long ago.
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 5:13 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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> Don't recall if it has been mentioned on here but apparently the ability
> to smell peanut butter is another form of test. It has been determined
> that one of the symptoms of COVID-19 is often (not sure it is always )
> the loss of olfactory sense. The loss may be gradual and those afflicted
> may not realize it is happening so the suggestion is that one sniff the
> peanut butter every morning to see if they can still smell it. The world
> is a weird place these days.
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] Another V12 for Floyd

[Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes]

Air ride suspension to smooth out the Al-Can highway?
Clay needs that. He loves that body style.
And it's classy enough for a lawyer, priced right for an oilfield lawyer
in today's market.

Road trip!
4750 miles.

On Tue, April 21, 2020 2:30 pm, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> Cut the deal, come on down, I’ll put you up for the night.
>
>
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/largo-2002-mercedes-s600-v12/71067
> 51245.html


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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: Pulse Oxymetry to detect COVID-19

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Don't recall if it has been mentioned on here but apparently the ability 
to smell peanut butter is another form of test. It has been determined 
that one of the symptoms of COVID-19 is often (not sure it is always ) 
the loss of olfactory sense. The loss may be gradual and those afflicted 
may not realize it is happening so the suggestion is that one sniff the 
peanut butter every morning to see if they can still smell it. The world 
is a weird place these days.


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Re: [MBZ] Another V12 for Floyd

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Doubt it. Without major deconstruction, that is. Also, the amp, speakers and 
response curves are designed for the interior space of this car.. Put it in 
something else and who know, sit might sound like an old timey transistor radio.

-D

> On Apr 21, 2020, at 2:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Is the Bose system removable/transferable to a lesser, non S Class vehicle?
> 
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:50 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> The offer extends to you, too. You know that.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Apr 21, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Looks more like something I need 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> >> On Apr 21, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> >> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Cut the deal, come on down, I’ll put you up for the night.
> >> 
> >> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/largo-2002-mercedes-s600-v12/7106751245.html
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: Pulse Oxymetry to detect COVID-19

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I saw something the other night on the national news about there being issues 
with blood clots in some patients as well. As a result doctors were 
administering blood thinners to some patients upon admission.

-D


> On Apr 21, 2020, at 3:08 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
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> 
> Watched a video on that, sounds like the virus affects red blood cells so 
> they can't carry as much O2. Nasty. I wonder in a transfusion would be 
> effective?
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> Apr 21, 2020 2:25:43 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes :
> 
>> All:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Interesting article outlining diagnosis of infection by abnormal blood 
>> oxygen levels. Consumer grade meters are cheap and accurate enough.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: Pulse Oxymetry to detect COVID-19

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Watched a video on that, sounds like the virus affects red blood cells so they 
can't carry as much O2. Nasty. I wonder in a transfusion would be effective?

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


Apr 21, 2020 2:25:43 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes :

> All:
> 
> 
> 
> Interesting article outlining diagnosis of infection by abnormal blood oxygen 
> levels. Consumer grade meters are cheap and accurate enough.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Greg
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: Pulse Oxymetry to detect COVID-19

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Well written and a Good read!  Thanks for posting.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:25 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
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> All:
>
>
>
> Interesting article outlining diagnosis of infection by abnormal blood
> oxygen levels. Consumer grade meters are cheap and accurate enough.
>
>
>
> <
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/opinion/coronavirus-testing-pneumonia.html
> >
>
>
>
> Greg
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Re: [MBZ] 77 280E -- the deal

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Exemplary behavior, Floyd.  When I sell my car I want you to buy it.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:16 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> I went yesterday to look at this car.  The girl said it was dead by the
> road about a mile from her house.  So we meet where the car is.  She
> tells me she swapped her 05 truck for it 4 days ago, guy says it needs a
> "timing belt."  She drove it a ways to visit a friend and she says it
> overheated then died right there close to the house. This girl is 22,
> very sweet, the guy won't do anything for her, she is distraught, knows
> nothing, loves the car, has no idea how to deal with it and no idea what
> to do on it, just wants some money and to move on.  She figured it was
> driveable, so did, with this consequence.
>
> It looks really nice.  Newish paint, a few little rust spots here and
> there bubbling through but nothing major (but who knows what's under the
> paint?).  Interior very nice, looks like all the upholstery was replaced
> or maybe just very clean.  Carpets very clean, headliner good.  Wood
> veneer gone on some of the pieces but someone varnished the base and it
> looks half decent.  Original radio. Dash looks good.  Glove box actually
> latches.  New whitewall tires of some off brand but they look OK.
>
> I pop the hood and notice the alternator/water pump belt is gone.
> H no alternator = dead battery.  No pump = overheating. Engine
> bay very clean, looks like new plug wires, etc.  Rad was mostly full.
> There is some kind of aftermarket K$N like round filter stuck on the
> intake, original air filter not there.  I see a bit of oil down at the
> bottom of the head on the passenger side.  No milkshake on the dipstick
> so at least no water in the oil.  Her friend goes and gets a jug of
> water, we top off the rad, only took a bit, no oil in the rad, good
> sign.  Has a newish Sanden compressor, 134, hoses are new.
>
> I put in a good battery, crank a coupla times and it fires up but dies.
> Crank again, it catches and sputters.  Uhoh.  Try again and give it some
> gas and it finally catches and smooths out and is running well.  Go look
> at it and listen, I hear a bit of clatter from a back cylinder, not sure
> if it is valves or what but it is running well and pretty smooth.  I get
> in and drive it to her house, gets to maybe 250 right at then, probably
> OK.  Trans shifting fine, brakes good,   Shut it off and pop the hood
> again, doesn't seem too hot but I notice a bit of spitting down at the
> bottom of the head where that oil was, I guess the head gasket is
> cracked or something.  We discuss it, she is actually really happy I
> know something about the car and some random jerk isn't wanting to buy
> it, she loves it and wants it to be taken care of, she knows she knows
> nothing, etc.  We work the deal so we're good.
>
> Went back with the trailer this morning and got it, it was a little
> unhappy starting again but once it lit off it ran well, idle a bit
> high.  I stopped at an auto parts store and got a belt, will go put it
> on shortly and take it for a drive and see how it does.
>
> For $1200 I think it is a pretty nice car though it might need the
> engine work.  The guy at the auto parts I got the belt from was a former
> mech at the Stealer up the road and said he had rebuilt a couple of
> those engines, got his name and number.  He says it is not a real hard
> job, just have to watch the head bolt torques, etc.  So I guess I will
> see... I'm kinda happy with it, it's a pretty car.  Looks like someone
> put a fair amount of money into it so I'm hoping other stuff has been
> dealt with fairly well.  Worse comes to worse I can flip it to a FB boy...
>
> I'll put up some pics later on some site.
>
> Oh, so she says she needs another car cheap, if I see something let her
> know, or if she finds something can she call me to help her since it
> seems I know something about cars...  I did tell her once it gets sorted
> out I will come give her a ride in it, and she was really happy about
> that!  looks like I might have adopted another daughter... YIKES!!!
>
> --FT
>
> On 4/20/20 11:39 PM, Buggered Benzmail wrote:
> > So I’m going to go get this thing in the morning. Details to follow. It
> looks pretty nice, seems to run well but some strange aspects. I think the
> head gasket is blown. Poor girl got taken on the deal.
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iPhone.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Another V12 for Floyd

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Is the Bose system removable/transferable to a lesser, non S Class vehicle?

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> The offer extends to you, too. You know that.
>
> -D
>
> > On Apr 21, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> >
> > Looks more like something I need
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Apr 21, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> >>
> >> Cut the deal, come on down, I’ll put you up for the night.
> >>
> >>
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/largo-2002-mercedes-s600-v12/7106751245.html
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Re: [MBZ] Another V12 for Floyd

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The offer extends to you, too. You know that.

-D

> On Apr 21, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Looks more like something I need 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Cut the deal, come on down, I’ll put you up for the night.
>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/largo-2002-mercedes-s600-v12/7106751245.html
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Re: [MBZ] Another V12 for Floyd

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Looks more like something I need 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 21, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
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> Cut the deal, come on down, I’ll put you up for the night.
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/largo-2002-mercedes-s600-v12/7106751245.html
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Re: [MBZ] Another V12 for Floyd

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Actually looks pretty decent but out of my range!  The wheels are 
probably worth quite a bit. I bet it would be lots of fun.


--FT


On 4/21/20 2:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Cut the deal, come on down, I’ll put you up for the night.

https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/largo-2002-mercedes-s600-v12/7106751245.html

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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I seem to remember that the cruise lines are/were moving away from bunker 
fuel. I remember it being extra poisonous or something in case of a spill.
Back in the late '90s Dad and I did a job for the railroad and got to watch 
them start a loco that had been sitting out in the cold. They had several HUGE 
propane burners attached to 100# tanks that sat in pipes that went through the 
fuel tank to melt the bunker fuel within so it could be started. IIRC it took 
several hours to get it warm enough to start. I remember them telling us why 
they started it there instead of hauling it to the shop but I don't remember 
the reason.
-Curt

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 9:47:57 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Bunker fuel is about the bottom of the refining chain, as it’s about as close 
as you can get to crude. Very low BTU content, quite heavy, too, as I recall.

-D

> On Apr 21, 2020, at 9:29 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Think of all the huge quantities of bunker fuel or whatever they call it that 
> all the cruise ships would be burning but are not currently.
> 
> On 4/21/2020 5:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> True, and think of the huge volumes of jet fuel that aren’t being consumed, 
>> either. Lots of idle time at the refinery…
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 1:16 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I probably wrote this before, but it bears repeating. Sooner or later the 
>>> refineries will run out of storage for gasoline. When that happens, they 
>>> will cease production. The refining process can only be skewed a few 
>>> percent in favor of diesel or gasoline. Depending on the consumption of 
>>> fuels adjacent to diesel on the cracking spectrum, the availability of 
>>> diesel fuel could potentially be interrupted. Which, if you receive 
>>> anything by truck, will be a bit of a glitch in your supply chain.
>>> 
>>> Rick
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[MBZ] Another V12 for Floyd

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Cut the deal, come on down, I’ll put you up for the night.

https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/largo-2002-mercedes-s600-v12/7106751245.html

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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: Pulse Oxymetry to detect COVID-19

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

All:

 

Interesting article outlining diagnosis of infection by abnormal blood oxygen 
levels. Consumer grade meters are cheap and accurate enough.

 



 

Greg

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Re: [MBZ] 77 280E -- the deal

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I went yesterday to look at this car.  The girl said it was dead by the 
road about a mile from her house.  So we meet where the car is.  She 
tells me she swapped her 05 truck for it 4 days ago, guy says it needs a 
"timing belt."  She drove it a ways to visit a friend and she says it 
overheated then died right there close to the house. This girl is 22, 
very sweet, the guy won't do anything for her, she is distraught, knows 
nothing, loves the car, has no idea how to deal with it and no idea what 
to do on it, just wants some money and to move on.  She figured it was 
driveable, so did, with this consequence.


It looks really nice.  Newish paint, a few little rust spots here and 
there bubbling through but nothing major (but who knows what's under the 
paint?).  Interior very nice, looks like all the upholstery was replaced 
or maybe just very clean.  Carpets very clean, headliner good.  Wood 
veneer gone on some of the pieces but someone varnished the base and it 
looks half decent.  Original radio. Dash looks good.  Glove box actually 
latches.  New whitewall tires of some off brand but they look OK.


I pop the hood and notice the alternator/water pump belt is gone.  
H no alternator = dead battery.  No pump = overheating. Engine 
bay very clean, looks like new plug wires, etc.  Rad was mostly full.  
There is some kind of aftermarket K$N like round filter stuck on the 
intake, original air filter not there.  I see a bit of oil down at the 
bottom of the head on the passenger side.  No milkshake on the dipstick 
so at least no water in the oil.  Her friend goes and gets a jug of 
water, we top off the rad, only took a bit, no oil in the rad, good 
sign.  Has a newish Sanden compressor, 134, hoses are new.


I put in a good battery, crank a coupla times and it fires up but dies.  
Crank again, it catches and sputters.  Uhoh.  Try again and give it some 
gas and it finally catches and smooths out and is running well.  Go look 
at it and listen, I hear a bit of clatter from a back cylinder, not sure 
if it is valves or what but it is running well and pretty smooth.  I get 
in and drive it to her house, gets to maybe 250 right at then, probably 
OK.  Trans shifting fine, brakes good,   Shut it off and pop the hood 
again, doesn't seem too hot but I notice a bit of spitting down at the 
bottom of the head where that oil was, I guess the head gasket is 
cracked or something.  We discuss it, she is actually really happy I 
know something about the car and some random jerk isn't wanting to buy 
it, she loves it and wants it to be taken care of, she knows she knows 
nothing, etc.  We work the deal so we're good.


Went back with the trailer this morning and got it, it was a little 
unhappy starting again but once it lit off it ran well, idle a bit 
high.  I stopped at an auto parts store and got a belt, will go put it 
on shortly and take it for a drive and see how it does.


For $1200 I think it is a pretty nice car though it might need the 
engine work.  The guy at the auto parts I got the belt from was a former 
mech at the Stealer up the road and said he had rebuilt a couple of 
those engines, got his name and number.  He says it is not a real hard 
job, just have to watch the head bolt torques, etc.  So I guess I will 
see... I'm kinda happy with it, it's a pretty car.  Looks like someone 
put a fair amount of money into it so I'm hoping other stuff has been 
dealt with fairly well.  Worse comes to worse I can flip it to a FB boy...


I'll put up some pics later on some site.

Oh, so she says she needs another car cheap, if I see something let her 
know, or if she finds something can she call me to help her since it 
seems I know something about cars...  I did tell her once it gets sorted 
out I will come give her a ride in it, and she was really happy about 
that!  looks like I might have adopted another daughter... YIKES!!!


--FT

On 4/20/20 11:39 PM, Buggered Benzmail wrote:

So I’m going to go get this thing in the morning. Details to follow. It looks 
pretty nice, seems to run well but some strange aspects. I think the head 
gasket is blown. Poor girl got taken on the deal.

--FT
Sent from iPhone.


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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Why? The article was posted by the list mom himself, so I guess it's
fair game for discussion here?


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:

> Take it to banned.
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 1:17 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> The article is wrong on many levels.
>>
>> " The coronavirus is driving the huge dip in oil prices" is false.  The
>> economic crisis has been driven by our government mandating social
>> distancing and shutting down "non-essential" activities, like churches and
>> most businesses. Other countries (Sweden for instance) are not taking this
>> approach, and so they have not cratered their economy.
>>
>> " The oil industry didn’t get the memo, though, and just kept digging up
>> more oil."  Very ignorant statement.  Once a well is producing, one cannot
>> simply shut it off.  Oil doesn't come from a spigot.  Oil is not "dug up",
>> that is coal.
>>
>> " What all this points to is the need for government intervention and
>> stat."  Ah, now we have the true intent of the author: Use the crisis to
>> increase government power.  Nice.
>>
>> Now I remember why I stopped reading that site, it's almost all fake news
>> and propaganda.
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 7:58 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Read this:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> https://earther.gizmodo.com/what-the-actual-fuck-is-happening-with-oil-prices-right-1842966887
>> >
>> > -D
>> >
>> > > On Apr 20, 2020, at 7:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Well when they jack up the price I’d gas the excuse is because oil went
>> > up and when they go to buy again to refill their tank it will cost more.
>> > >
>> > > Sent from my iPhone
>> > >
>> > >> On Apr 20, 2020, at 6:48 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Does the futures market for crude dictate the price of refined gas
>> > that is
>> > >> already in the under ground tanks today, or even tomorrow?
>> > >> I have a 55 gallon barrel that is about ready to be filled 
>> > >>
>> > >>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 6:38 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> https://apple.news/A6sbn3B7jTQ-la0nB4REhug
>> > >>>
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>> > >>
>> > >> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
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>> > >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> > >> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>> > >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Pine green 280SE 4.5 on BAT

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yeah, for a car worth that kind of money I find it telling that someone 
wouldn’t expend the time, effort or money to resolve the heater levers. It sort 
of cheapens the whole thing.

-D

> On Apr 21, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> The broken heater control valves are a red flag, though.
> 
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>> they are getting rare in good condition -- I sent mine to the junkyard due
>> to terminal rust.  All the German cars of that age were terrible, Russian
>> steel for the most part.  Ditto for W116s --- they were notorious for
>> rusting away in Germany too.
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Re: [MBZ] Pine green 280SE 4.5 on BAT

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The broken heater control valves are a red flag, though.

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> they are getting rare in good condition -- I sent mine to the junkyard due
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Re: [MBZ] Pine green 280SE 4.5 on BAT (Andrew Strasfogel)

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I put the OE spring in my Finnie as a part of the restoration work I did on it. 
Pretty easy job, I think the spring was about $100 from Mercedes. Put new pads, 
in, too, but had to compromise somewhat because only one size is still 
available.

-D

> On Apr 21, 2020, at 1:45 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
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> 
> They put in the wrong spring when the ripped out the hydropneumatic
> compensator. The Febi kit includes the "HD" spring, which causes the
> incorrect camber this car exhibits. You can still buy the correct
> spring from Mercedes-Benz, which is what I did for my '72 280SEL. Or
> if you're really lucky and still have the compensator, it can be
> rebuilt (not cheaply, of course).
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, Andrew wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Luscious color.  I predict insane flurry of bidding as the auction winds
>> up.  At least in the 20s.
>> 
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-mercedes-benz-280sel-4-5-11/?utm_source=dm_medium=email_campaign=2020-04-21
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Pine green 280SE 4.5 on BAT (Andrew Strasfogel)

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

They put in the wrong spring when the ripped out the hydropneumatic
compensator. The Febi kit includes the "HD" spring, which causes the
incorrect camber this car exhibits. You can still buy the correct
spring from Mercedes-Benz, which is what I did for my '72 280SEL. Or
if you're really lucky and still have the compensator, it can be
rebuilt (not cheaply, of course).


On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, Andrew wrote:
>
>
> Luscious color.  I predict insane flurry of bidding as the auction winds
> up.  At least in the 20s.
>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-mercedes-benz-280sel-4-5-11/?utm_source=dm_medium=email_campaign=2020-04-21
>
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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Gas turbine engines work very well.  The ones the Navy uses in a frigate are 
reputed to drive like a speedboat.
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Re: [MBZ] 77 280E

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

$1200.  Let me take off my shoes to count...

--FT

On 4/21/20 1:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

How much did you pay for it? How many cars do you now have?

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 21, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:

The “timing belt” issue is the alternator water pump belt. Just stopped at the 
auto parts store and got one, $16. Guy at the counter used to work for the 
stealer down the road, says he’s rebuilt a coupla these engines. Got his name 
and number.

She ran the battery down and it quit, also probably overheated, don’t know how 
bad. Noticed a little water bubbling from the head gasket on pass side. Car 
starts and runs and drives fine, a little cranky on cold start and yeah seems 
to idle a bit high. Everything very clean though. Has some kind of weird hot 
rod air filter on it, will need to source a proper filter setup.

I’ll get pics when I get home.

--R
Sent from iPhone


On Apr 21, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
 wrote:

77 is probably K-Jet or KE-Jet (my 75 Audi Fox was K-Jet).

Couple funky idle drop down servos and lots of hoses -- all of which have to be 
completely sealed for it to run right.  KE-Jet has a "frequency valve" to 
control the mixture in the double chamber fuel distributor, and they can be a pain.  
Essentially a modified fuel injector.

Once you get it all sorted out, it's great.  Only trouble I had with my Fox in 
the fuel system was a bad injector causing lumpy idle and the fact that blowby 
would freeze in the venturi and flood it out in bitter cold weather.  It was 
disconnected when I got it, and stayed that way after I figured that out.  Had 
a fuel pump fail, otherwise very trouble free.
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Re: [MBZ] Pine green 280SE 4.5 on BAT

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they are getting rare in good condition -- I sent mine to the junkyard due to 
terminal rust.  All the German cars of that age were terrible, Russian steel 
for the most part.  Ditto for W116s --- they were notorious for rusting away in 
Germany too.
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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

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>https://earther.gizmodo.com/what-the-actual-fuck-is-happening-with-oil-prices-right-1842966887

The corona virus is doing absolutely nothing to the economy. Politicians, the 
media, and people's reaction to it is causing issues. 

I thought the article was summed up as a push for a carbon tax, now that oil 
prices are low. 

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Re: [MBZ] 77 280E

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea but I like having lots of cars 

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> On Apr 21, 2020, at 12:34 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Kaleb says:
> 
>> I have at least 20 cars off the top of my head that >will currently start 
>> and run and move.
> 
> At $600 a piece, that's $12k. You should be able to find a 2015 or so E250 or 
> E3xx at Mannheim for that. You work with a ton of dealers, so getting one to 
> help with a dealer only auction house should be easy, unless it violates some 
> policy of your employer. 
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Re: [MBZ] 77 280E

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Kaleb says:

>I have at least 20 cars off the top of my head that >will currently start and 
>run and move.

At $600 a piece, that's $12k. You should be able to find a 2015 or so E250 or 
E3xx at Mannheim for that. You work with a ton of dealers, so getting one to 
help with a dealer only auction house should be easy, unless it violates some 
policy of your employer. 

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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

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Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

> They are starting to run cruise ships on natural gas.

That's good. I've never been on a cruise ship, but I talked to a
co-worker about it years ago. He had just returned from a cruise and I
asked him how it was. He said "it was two weeks of breathing diesel
exhaust and no way to get away from it"

I've never been interested in a cruise since.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

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Take it to banned.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 1:17 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The article is wrong on many levels.
>
> " The coronavirus is driving the huge dip in oil prices" is false.  The
> economic crisis has been driven by our government mandating social
> distancing and shutting down "non-essential" activities, like churches and
> most businesses. Other countries (Sweden for instance) are not taking this
> approach, and so they have not cratered their economy.
>
> " The oil industry didn’t get the memo, though, and just kept digging up
> more oil."  Very ignorant statement.  Once a well is producing, one cannot
> simply shut it off.  Oil doesn't come from a spigot.  Oil is not "dug up",
> that is coal.
>
> " What all this points to is the need for government intervention and
> stat."  Ah, now we have the true intent of the author: Use the crisis to
> increase government power.  Nice.
>
> Now I remember why I stopped reading that site, it's almost all fake news
> and propaganda.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 7:58 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Read this:
> >
> >
> >
> https://earther.gizmodo.com/what-the-actual-fuck-is-happening-with-oil-prices-right-1842966887
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Apr 20, 2020, at 7:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Well when they jack up the price I’d gas the excuse is because oil went
> > up and when they go to buy again to refill their tank it will cost more.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Apr 20, 2020, at 6:48 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Does the futures market for crude dictate the price of refined gas
> > that is
> > >> already in the under ground tanks today, or even tomorrow?
> > >> I have a 55 gallon barrel that is about ready to be filled 
> > >>
> > >>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 6:38 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> https://apple.news/A6sbn3B7jTQ-la0nB4REhug
> > >>>
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> > >>
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> > >> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> > >>
> > >> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
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> > >> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] 77 280E

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I have at least 20 cars off the top of my head that will currently start and 
run and move. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 21, 2020, at 11:50 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> You definitely have a leg up on him there.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Mostum run though!  They might not move but they run!
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
 On Apr 21, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Floyd is now challenging Kaleb as the bottom feeder Benz collector. His 
>>> vast estate is soon to be covered with old MBs.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Apr 21, 2020, at 12:06 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 The “timing belt” issue is the alternator water pump belt. Just stopped at 
 the auto parts store and got one, $16. Guy at the counter used to work for 
 the stealer down the road, says he’s rebuilt a coupla these engines. Got 
 his name and number. 
 
 She ran the battery down and it quit, also probably overheated, don’t know 
 how bad. Noticed a little water bubbling from the head gasket on pass 
 side. Car starts and runs and drives fine, a little cranky on cold start 
 and yeah seems to idle a bit high. Everything very clean though. Has some 
 kind of weird hot rod air filter on it, will need to source a proper 
 filter setup. 
 
 I’ll get pics when I get home. 
 
 --R
 Sent from iPhone
 
>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> 77 is probably K-Jet or KE-Jet (my 75 Audi Fox was K-Jet).
> 
> Couple funky idle drop down servos and lots of hoses -- all of which have 
> to be completely sealed for it to run right.  KE-Jet has a "frequency 
> valve" to control the mixture in the double chamber fuel distributor, and 
> they can be a pain.  Essentially a modified fuel injector.
> 
> Once you get it all sorted out, it's great.  Only trouble I had with my 
> Fox in the fuel system was a bad injector causing lumpy idle and the fact 
> that blowby would freeze in the venturi and flood it out in bitter cold 
> weather.  It was disconnected when I got it, and stayed that way after I 
> figured that out.  Had a fuel pump fail, otherwise very trouble free.
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Re: [MBZ] 77 280E

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How much did you pay for it? How many cars do you now have?

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> On Apr 21, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The “timing belt” issue is the alternator water pump belt. Just stopped at 
> the auto parts store and got one, $16. Guy at the counter used to work for 
> the stealer down the road, says he’s rebuilt a coupla these engines. Got his 
> name and number. 
> 
> She ran the battery down and it quit, also probably overheated, don’t know 
> how bad. Noticed a little water bubbling from the head gasket on pass side. 
> Car starts and runs and drives fine, a little cranky on cold start and yeah 
> seems to idle a bit high. Everything very clean though. Has some kind of 
> weird hot rod air filter on it, will need to source a proper filter setup. 
> 
> I’ll get pics when I get home. 
> 
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 77 is probably K-Jet or KE-Jet (my 75 Audi Fox was K-Jet).
>> 
>> Couple funky idle drop down servos and lots of hoses -- all of which have to 
>> be completely sealed for it to run right.  KE-Jet has a "frequency valve" to 
>> control the mixture in the double chamber fuel distributor, and they can be 
>> a pain.  Essentially a modified fuel injector.
>> 
>> Once you get it all sorted out, it's great.  Only trouble I had with my Fox 
>> in the fuel system was a bad injector causing lumpy idle and the fact that 
>> blowby would freeze in the venturi and flood it out in bitter cold weather.  
>> It was disconnected when I got it, and stayed that way after I figured that 
>> out.  Had a fuel pump fail, otherwise very trouble free.
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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

The article is wrong on many levels.

" The coronavirus is driving the huge dip in oil prices" is false.  The
economic crisis has been driven by our government mandating social
distancing and shutting down "non-essential" activities, like churches and
most businesses. Other countries (Sweden for instance) are not taking this
approach, and so they have not cratered their economy.

" The oil industry didn’t get the memo, though, and just kept digging up
more oil."  Very ignorant statement.  Once a well is producing, one cannot
simply shut it off.  Oil doesn't come from a spigot.  Oil is not "dug up",
that is coal.

" What all this points to is the need for government intervention and
stat."  Ah, now we have the true intent of the author: Use the crisis to
increase government power.  Nice.

Now I remember why I stopped reading that site, it's almost all fake news
and propaganda.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 7:58 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Read this:
>
>
> https://earther.gizmodo.com/what-the-actual-fuck-is-happening-with-oil-prices-right-1842966887
>
> -D
>
> > On Apr 20, 2020, at 7:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well when they jack up the price I’d gas the excuse is because oil went
> up and when they go to buy again to refill their tank it will cost more.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Apr 20, 2020, at 6:48 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Does the futures market for crude dictate the price of refined gas
> that is
> >> already in the under ground tanks today, or even tomorrow?
> >> I have a 55 gallon barrel that is about ready to be filled 
> >>
> >>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 6:38 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> https://apple.news/A6sbn3B7jTQ-la0nB4REhug
> >>>
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> >>
> >> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> >> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >>
> >> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
> Wernher
> >> Von Braun
> >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> >> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

They are starting to run cruise ships on natural gas. 

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> On Apr 21, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think modern cruise ships burn diesel now.
> 
> Bunker fuel was used in steam boilers.
> 
> Between the declines in jet fuel (basically high-grade kerosene) and
> shipping, I would guess there is plenty of diesel at least for the near
> term. And it sounds like things will be opening up starting soon.
> 
> Nobody's dying from overloaded hospitals or lack of ventilators, so
> things should start opening up again (at least in a controlled way).
> 
> Allan
> 
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Think of all the huge quantities of bunker fuel or whatever they call it 
>> that all the cruise ships would be burning but are not currently.
>> 
>>> On 4/21/2020 5:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> True, and think of the huge volumes of jet fuel that aren’t being consumed, 
>>> either. Lots of idle time at the refinery…
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Apr 21, 2020, at 1:16 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I probably wrote this before, but it bears repeating. Sooner or later the 
 refineries will run out of storage for gasoline. When that happens, they 
 will cease production. The refining process can only be skewed a few 
 percent in favor of diesel or gasoline. Depending on the consumption of 
 fuels adjacent to diesel on the cracking spectrum, the availability of 
 diesel fuel could potentially be interrupted. Which, if you receive 
 anything by truck, will be a bit of a glitch in your supply chain.
 
 Rick
 
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Re: [MBZ] 77 280E

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

You definitely have a leg up on him there.

-D

> On Apr 21, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mostum run though!  They might not move but they run!
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Floyd is now challenging Kaleb as the bottom feeder Benz collector. His 
>> vast estate is soon to be covered with old MBs.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 12:06 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The “timing belt” issue is the alternator water pump belt. Just stopped at 
>>> the auto parts store and got one, $16. Guy at the counter used to work for 
>>> the stealer down the road, says he’s rebuilt a coupla these engines. Got 
>>> his name and number. 
>>> 
>>> She ran the battery down and it quit, also probably overheated, don’t know 
>>> how bad. Noticed a little water bubbling from the head gasket on pass side. 
>>> Car starts and runs and drives fine, a little cranky on cold start and yeah 
>>> seems to idle a bit high. Everything very clean though. Has some kind of 
>>> weird hot rod air filter on it, will need to source a proper filter setup. 
>>> 
>>> I’ll get pics when I get home. 
>>> 
>>> --R
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
> On Apr 21, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 77 is probably K-Jet or KE-Jet (my 75 Audi Fox was K-Jet).
 
 Couple funky idle drop down servos and lots of hoses -- all of which have 
 to be completely sealed for it to run right.  KE-Jet has a "frequency 
 valve" to control the mixture in the double chamber fuel distributor, and 
 they can be a pain.  Essentially a modified fuel injector.
 
 Once you get it all sorted out, it's great.  Only trouble I had with my 
 Fox in the fuel system was a bad injector causing lumpy idle and the fact 
 that blowby would freeze in the venturi and flood it out in bitter cold 
 weather.  It was disconnected when I got it, and stayed that way after I 
 figured that out.  Had a fuel pump fail, otherwise very trouble free.
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Re: [MBZ] 77 280E

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Mostum run though!  They might not move but they run!

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Apr 21, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Floyd is now challenging Kaleb as the bottom feeder Benz collector. His vast 
> estate is soon to be covered with old MBs.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 12:06 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The “timing belt” issue is the alternator water pump belt. Just stopped at 
>> the auto parts store and got one, $16. Guy at the counter used to work for 
>> the stealer down the road, says he’s rebuilt a coupla these engines. Got his 
>> name and number. 
>> 
>> She ran the battery down and it quit, also probably overheated, don’t know 
>> how bad. Noticed a little water bubbling from the head gasket on pass side. 
>> Car starts and runs and drives fine, a little cranky on cold start and yeah 
>> seems to idle a bit high. Everything very clean though. Has some kind of 
>> weird hot rod air filter on it, will need to source a proper filter setup. 
>> 
>> I’ll get pics when I get home. 
>> 
>> --R
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
 On Apr 21, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 77 is probably K-Jet or KE-Jet (my 75 Audi Fox was K-Jet).
>>> 
>>> Couple funky idle drop down servos and lots of hoses -- all of which have 
>>> to be completely sealed for it to run right.  KE-Jet has a "frequency 
>>> valve" to control the mixture in the double chamber fuel distributor, and 
>>> they can be a pain.  Essentially a modified fuel injector.
>>> 
>>> Once you get it all sorted out, it's great.  Only trouble I had with my Fox 
>>> in the fuel system was a bad injector causing lumpy idle and the fact that 
>>> blowby would freeze in the venturi and flood it out in bitter cold weather. 
>>>  It was disconnected when I got it, and stayed that way after I figured 
>>> that out.  Had a fuel pump fail, otherwise very trouble free.
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Re: [MBZ] 77 280E

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Floyd is now challenging Kaleb as the bottom feeder Benz collector. His vast 
estate is soon to be covered with old MBs.

-D

> On Apr 21, 2020, at 12:06 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The “timing belt” issue is the alternator water pump belt. Just stopped at 
> the auto parts store and got one, $16. Guy at the counter used to work for 
> the stealer down the road, says he’s rebuilt a coupla these engines. Got his 
> name and number. 
> 
> She ran the battery down and it quit, also probably overheated, don’t know 
> how bad. Noticed a little water bubbling from the head gasket on pass side. 
> Car starts and runs and drives fine, a little cranky on cold start and yeah 
> seems to idle a bit high. Everything very clean though. Has some kind of 
> weird hot rod air filter on it, will need to source a proper filter setup. 
> 
> I’ll get pics when I get home. 
> 
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 77 is probably K-Jet or KE-Jet (my 75 Audi Fox was K-Jet).
>> 
>> Couple funky idle drop down servos and lots of hoses -- all of which have to 
>> be completely sealed for it to run right.  KE-Jet has a "frequency valve" to 
>> control the mixture in the double chamber fuel distributor, and they can be 
>> a pain.  Essentially a modified fuel injector.
>> 
>> Once you get it all sorted out, it's great.  Only trouble I had with my Fox 
>> in the fuel system was a bad injector causing lumpy idle and the fact that 
>> blowby would freeze in the venturi and flood it out in bitter cold weather.  
>> It was disconnected when I got it, and stayed that way after I figured that 
>> out.  Had a fuel pump fail, otherwise very trouble free.
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Re: [MBZ] 77 280E

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The “timing belt” issue is the alternator water pump belt. Just stopped at the 
auto parts store and got one, $16. Guy at the counter used to work for the 
stealer down the road, says he’s rebuilt a coupla these engines. Got his name 
and number. 

She ran the battery down and it quit, also probably overheated, don’t know how 
bad. Noticed a little water bubbling from the head gasket on pass side. Car 
starts and runs and drives fine, a little cranky on cold start and yeah seems 
to idle a bit high. Everything very clean though. Has some kind of weird hot 
rod air filter on it, will need to source a proper filter setup. 

I’ll get pics when I get home. 

--R
Sent from iPhone

> On Apr 21, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 77 is probably K-Jet or KE-Jet (my 75 Audi Fox was K-Jet).
> 
> Couple funky idle drop down servos and lots of hoses -- all of which have to 
> be completely sealed for it to run right.  KE-Jet has a "frequency valve" to 
> control the mixture in the double chamber fuel distributor, and they can be a 
> pain.  Essentially a modified fuel injector.
> 
> Once you get it all sorted out, it's great.  Only trouble I had with my Fox 
> in the fuel system was a bad injector causing lumpy idle and the fact that 
> blowby would freeze in the venturi and flood it out in bitter cold weather.  
> It was disconnected when I got it, and stayed that way after I figured that 
> out.  Had a fuel pump fail, otherwise very trouble free.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Honda transmission

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:

> Are you talking about Castrol Z1 (very outdated Honda spec) or Multi 
> Vehicle Import (not the right stuff, might be good enough might be not)?

The latter. Says on the container that it meets Z1 and DW-1 Honda spec.

Yes I know there's some supposed magic in the Honda fluid but I'm not
sure I believe it. Our Odyssey got only Honda fluid and its transmission
blew up at similar mileage, though with different symptoms.

Even the owner's manual says you can use Dexron III if the Honda fluid
is unavailable.

Allan

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[MBZ] Pine green 280SE 4.5 on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Luscious color.  I predict insane flurry of bidding as the auction winds
up.  At least in the 20s.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-mercedes-benz-280sel-4-5-11/?utm_source=dm_medium=email_campaign=2020-04-21
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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I think modern cruise ships burn diesel now.

Bunker fuel was used in steam boilers.

Between the declines in jet fuel (basically high-grade kerosene) and
shipping, I would guess there is plenty of diesel at least for the near
term. And it sounds like things will be opening up starting soon.

Nobody's dying from overloaded hospitals or lack of ventilators, so
things should start opening up again (at least in a controlled way).

Allan

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

> Think of all the huge quantities of bunker fuel or whatever they call it 
> that all the cruise ships would be burning but are not currently.
>
> On 4/21/2020 5:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> True, and think of the huge volumes of jet fuel that aren’t being consumed, 
>> either. Lots of idle time at the refinery…
>>
>> -D
>>
>>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 1:16 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I probably wrote this before, but it bears repeating. Sooner or later the 
>>> refineries will run out of storage for gasoline. When that happens, they 
>>> will cease production. The refining process can only be skewed a few 
>>> percent in favor of diesel or gasoline. Depending on the consumption of 
>>> fuels adjacent to diesel on the cracking spectrum, the availability of 
>>> diesel fuel could potentially be interrupted. Which, if you receive 
>>> anything by truck, will be a bit of a glitch in your supply chain.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>

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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

$1.27 at Walleyworld in Springdale, AR.

Indexing for inflation, regular gas is now cheaper than it was in the 60s
at the height of the muscle car boom...

-MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

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On Tue, April 21, 2020 10:51 am, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> Premium was $1.859 at Costco this morning.

Sounds about right.
1.759 here, was 2.709 back in November.
Best I can do without driving 35 miles to Costco is 1.909 at the Bellevue
Marathon.

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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea that is probably correct. They burn craps loads of #2. 

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> On Apr 21, 2020, at 9:56 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Most of them use #2, not bunker.  Bunker is a huge pain, has to be heated to 
> flow and makes a lot of smoke.  Container ships use bunker C probably, it's 
> the cheapest
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Re: [MBZ] 77 280E

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

77 is probably K-Jet or KE-Jet (my 75 Audi Fox was K-Jet).

Couple funky idle drop down servos and lots of hoses -- all of which have to be 
completely sealed for it to run right.  KE-Jet has a "frequency valve" to 
control the mixture in the double chamber fuel distributor, and they can be a 
pain.  Essentially a modified fuel injector.

Once you get it all sorted out, it's great.  Only trouble I had with my Fox in 
the fuel system was a bad injector causing lumpy idle and the fact that blowby 
would freeze in the venturi and flood it out in bitter cold weather.  It was 
disconnected when I got it, and stayed that way after I figured that out.  Had 
a fuel pump fail, otherwise very trouble free.
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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Most of them use #2, not bunker.  Bunker is a huge pain, has to be heated to 
flow and makes a lot of smoke.  Container ships use bunker C probably, it's the 
cheapest
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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Premium was $1.859 at Costco this morning.

-D

> On Apr 21, 2020, at 10:50 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> but on 7 mile in Detroit I saw Gasbuddy prices as low as $0.849.
> 
> And in my neck of the woods, it's more like $2.20 as of yesterday.  Yet across
> the border in Idaho it's about $1.60 or thereabouts.  That difference is 
> almost
> entirely the large difference in tax load between the two States.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

[Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes]

CL futures $2/bbl. Fill up that swimming pool!
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/CL=F?p=CL=F

Small tankers (ships not trucks) renting for $100k/day


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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> but on 7 mile in Detroit I saw Gasbuddy prices as low as $0.849.

And in my neck of the woods, it's more like $2.20 as of yesterday.  Yet across
the border in Idaho it's about $1.60 or thereabouts.  That difference is almost
entirely the large difference in tax load between the two States.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] go buy it AZ Bob

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The 126 seat covers look paperthin...  On the plus side, crappy fuel
economy means that gas stations will pay you more to fill 'er up thanks to
negative oil prices

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> I saw that.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Apr 20, 2020, at 6:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> >
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

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Bunker fuel is about the bottom of the refining chain, as it’s about as close 
as you can get to crude. Very low BTU content, quite heavy, too, as I recall.

-D

> On Apr 21, 2020, at 9:29 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Think of all the huge quantities of bunker fuel or whatever they call it that 
> all the cruise ships would be burning but are not currently.
> 
> On 4/21/2020 5:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> True, and think of the huge volumes of jet fuel that aren’t being consumed, 
>> either. Lots of idle time at the refinery…
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 1:16 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I probably wrote this before, but it bears repeating. Sooner or later the 
>>> refineries will run out of storage for gasoline. When that happens, they 
>>> will cease production. The refining process can only be skewed a few 
>>> percent in favor of diesel or gasoline. Depending on the consumption of 
>>> fuels adjacent to diesel on the cracking spectrum, the availability of 
>>> diesel fuel could potentially be interrupted. Which, if you receive 
>>> anything by truck, will be a bit of a glitch in your supply chain.
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Think of all the huge quantities of bunker fuel or whatever they call it 
that all the cruise ships would be burning but are not currently.


On 4/21/2020 5:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

True, and think of the huge volumes of jet fuel that aren’t being consumed, 
either. Lots of idle time at the refinery…

-D


On Apr 21, 2020, at 1:16 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
wrote:

I probably wrote this before, but it bears repeating. Sooner or later the 
refineries will run out of storage for gasoline. When that happens, they will 
cease production. The refining process can only be skewed a few percent in 
favor of diesel or gasoline. Depending on the consumption of fuels adjacent to 
diesel on the cracking spectrum, the availability of diesel fuel could 
potentially be interrupted. Which, if you receive anything by truck, will be a 
bit of a glitch in your supply chain.

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Honda transmission

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

What Mitch said. If it's a Honda, you have to use Honda transmission fluid.

https://www.ericthecarguy.com/notes-on-honda-automatic-transmissions/


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Honda transmission

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Are you talking about Castrol Z1 (very outdated Honda spec) or Multi 
Vehicle Import (not the right stuff, might be good enough might be not)?


Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Did a complete 3x drain/fill last summer so fluid should be reasonably
clean. Used recommended Castrol fluid "for Honda."

  



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Re: [MBZ] 77 280E

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Just catching up on this... beware that the M110 isn't like a diesel engine
in a W123.  Theres lots of emissions control stuff, idle air control, etc.
Its all expensive and difficult to work on, since its all under the intake
manifold.  I'm just finishing up some major work on a 84 280SL which came
in running poorly and idling at 2000rpm.  All the rubber hoses under the
intake manifold were bad, among other things.  Car is back together now,
but it was 10+ hours to R the manifold and do everything correctly.

Jaime


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> So I’m going to go get this thing in the morning. Details to follow. It
> looks pretty nice, seems to run well but some strange aspects. I think the
> head gasket is blown. Poor girl got taken on the deal.
>
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

There is no hard relationship between the daily price of oil, the 
futures price of oil, and the daily price of gasoline.
Around Michigan and Ohio, the daily price of 87E10 has been around 25-35 
cents in recent weeks, or around $0.85-1.00 with tax.

I heard of 15 cent gas (wholesale pre-tax) in the Dakotas.
Meanwhile, the May futures price of unleaded gasoline was around 70 
cents before yesterday's crash, 58 cents now.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/RB=F?p=RB=F&.tsrc=fin-srch

Cash price at the pump averages around 1.50-1.60 in Michigan, but on 7 
mile in Detroit I saw Gasbuddy prices as low as $0.849. That's ended 
now, the cheapest non-club price in Michigan now is 0.949 at a BP in 
Fremont.
(the Costco in Madison Heights is .849, and you can use a credit card, 
the .849 in Detroit two weeks ago was cash only)


Here in Charlotte it's 1.499, which sounds highly profitable until you 
realize how much volume has dropped.  They make a lot on every sale but 
they're selling a lot less.
10 miles down the road in Bellevue it's 1.209. The markup over wholesale 
is what it was before the crash. And there are a few places around 
Lansing that are under 1.25.


Meanwhile, in Florida, 1.359 is as good as it gets.
Oregon, 1.799.
Aside from a 1.599 price war in Farmersville, 1.899 is the cheapest in 
California.


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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

True, and think of the huge volumes of jet fuel that aren’t being consumed, 
either. Lots of idle time at the refinery…

-D

> On Apr 21, 2020, at 1:16 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I probably wrote this before, but it bears repeating. Sooner or later the 
> refineries will run out of storage for gasoline. When that happens, they will 
> cease production. The refining process can only be skewed a few percent in 
> favor of diesel or gasoline. Depending on the consumption of fuels adjacent 
> to diesel on the cracking spectrum, the availability of diesel fuel could 
> potentially be interrupted. Which, if you receive anything by truck, will be 
> a bit of a glitch in your supply chain. 
> 
> Rick
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 77 280E

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Be sure to take some body paint.

-D


> On Apr 20, 2020, at 11:39 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So I’m going to go get this thing in the morning. Details to follow. It looks 
> pretty nice, seems to run well but some strange aspects. I think the head 
> gasket is blown. Poor girl got taken on the deal. 
> 
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