Re: [MBZ] Problems with Windows 10 Laptop

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> I would monitor the ethernet traffic with wireshark, but I have a switch
> and not a hub.
>

Many switches offer port mirroring just for this kind of problem.
Basically you 'hub-ify' the port of interest against another port that your
sniffer lives on.

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Re: [MBZ] Problems with Windows 10 Laptop

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 21:54:33 -0600 Craig via Mercedes
 wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 22:48:49 -0500 Peter Frederick via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> > Probably one of Microsofts 400GB OS updates.  It may not respond until
> > it's finished.  My computer at work does that all the time.
> 
> So I have been delaying the update by forcibly shutting down the
> computer?
> 
> Maybe I should let it run overnight. If I had a hub, I could see where
> the packets are going to / coming from.

I just looked at my switch and noticed when I play a stream program on
our main (Linux) box, both the computer's LED and the router's LED flash.

When I plug in the laptop's ethernet cable, the laptop's LED flashes, but
the router's does NOT.

Hmmm ... wierder by the minute ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Problems with Windows 10 Laptop

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 22:48:49 -0500 Peter Frederick via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Probably one of Microsofts 400GB OS updates.  It may not respond until
> it's finished.  My computer at work does that all the time.

So I have been delaying the update by forcibly shutting down the computer?

Maybe I should let it run overnight. If I had a hub, I could see where
the packets are going to / coming from.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Problems with Windows 10 Laptop

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Probably one of Microsofts 400GB OS updates.  It may not respond until it's 
finished.  My computer at work does that all the time.
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Re: [MBZ] Problems with Windows 10 Laptop

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 01:21:07 + (UTC) Curt Raymond
 wrote:

>  Question, if you set it to never go to sleep does it stay awake and
> active okay? Could be a problem related to the wake function. Those
> kind of problems are actually pretty common. -Curt

I first set it to never go to sleep with the simple, obvious setting, but
it did it anyway. So I found the "detailed" settings and set every one of
them to not go to sleep. I thought I had the problem fixed.

Isn't a computer sleeping supposed to respond to SOMETHING?

Right now, however, it still does not respond to anything on the keyboard
nor to the mouse and it still has ethernet traffic when I plug in the
cable.


> On Monday, August 10, 2020, 9:19:21 PM EDT, Craig
>  wrote: 
>  On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 00:40:18 + (UTC) Curt Raymond
>  wrote:
> 
> > Leave it alone with the task manager running. My guess is some process
> > is eating up all the RAM. There was (is?) a bug in Windows Update that
> > will do that. I had it in Win7 and have never seen it in 10 but that
> > doesn't mean it couldn't happen. Maybe run an update and see what it
> > finds. Alternately find the Windows update service, kill it and see if
> > your symptoms repeat themselves. -Curt
> 
> But the problem is the screen is black and I cannot get it to do
> anything, either by pressing any key or key combination (like
> crtl-alt-delete) or moving the mouse.

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Re: [MBZ] Problems with Windows 10 Laptop

[Craig via Mercedes]

I hate it when Curt's client sends a CC to me instead of himself!


On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 00:40:18 + (UTC) Curt Raymond
 wrote:

> Leave it alone with the task manager running. My guess is some process
> is eating up all the RAM. There was (is?) a bug in Windows Update that
> will do that. I had it in Win7 and have never seen it in 10 but that
> doesn't mean it couldn't happen. Maybe run an update and see what it
> finds. Alternately find the Windows update service, kill it and see if
> your symptoms repeat themselves. -Curt


But the problem is the screen is black and I cannot get it to do anything,
either by pressing any key or key combination (like crtl-alt-delete) or
moving the mouse.


Craig



> On Monday, August 10, 2020, 8:26:32 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes
>  wrote: 
>  On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 18:30:41 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> > Auto back-ups to the cloud?
> 
> Not that I know of. I have fired off an email to the owner about it.
> 
> It's still unresponsive to keyboard and mouse.
> 
> If I plug the ethernet cable in, there is traffic immediately after the
> negotiation with the switch.
> 
> So it's still the same nearly 12 hours later.
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
> 
> > On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 5:11 PM Craig via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > > A friend lent me his Windows 10 laptop while I am trying to repair
> > > ours.
> > >
> > > I have come into my office a few times and found the laptop on but
> > > entirely unresponsive. My response has been to hold the power button
> > > down until it shut down and then reboot it.
> > >
> > > This morning I found the same thing, but noticed the laptop had a
> > > lot of ethernet traffic.
> > >
> > > My first thought was it was a bot and was contributing to a DOS
> > > attack, so I unplugged its ethernet cable.
> > >
> > > But would not a bot-maker want his intrusion to be as unobtrusive as
> > > possible?
> > >
> > > Any idea what is going on here?
> > >
> > > I would monitor the ethernet traffic with wireshark, but I have a
> > > switch and not a hub.
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Re: [MBZ] Ask is a Bit Much, But....

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Bidding ended, 2 bids reserve not met at $5,450.

I had been tempted to throw a bid on it but I've never won an eBay
auction without sniping at the last second, and I wanted to go to the
gym today so I didn't wait around.

It'll prolly show up on BaT now and sell for $10K

I think it would look good with a darker green window tint.

Allan


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:

> So far zero bids.
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 3:47 PM Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 13:08:41 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>
>> > I would. And I think the combination of seafoam green exterior and tan
>> > interior is nice.
>>
>> I also like the color.
>>
>> I would like the tan color to be a little darker, though.
>>
>>
>> Craig
>>

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Re: [MBZ] Problems with Windows 10 Laptop

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Leave it alone with the task manager running. My guess is some process is 
eating up all the RAM. There was (is?) a bug in Windows Update that will do 
that. I had it in Win7 and have never seen it in 10 but that doesn't mean it 
couldn't happen.
Maybe run an update and see what it finds. Alternately find the Windows update 
service, kill it and see if your symptoms repeat themselves.
-Curt

On Monday, August 10, 2020, 8:26:32 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 18:30:41 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Auto back-ups to the cloud?

Not that I know of. I have fired off an email to the owner about it.

It's still unresponsive to keyboard and mouse.

If I plug the ethernet cable in, there is traffic immediately after the
negotiation with the switch.

So it's still the same nearly 12 hours later.


Craig



> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 5:11 PM Craig via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> > A friend lent me his Windows 10 laptop while I am trying to repair
> > ours.
> >
> > I have come into my office a few times and found the laptop on but
> > entirely unresponsive. My response has been to hold the power button
> > down until it shut down and then reboot it.
> >
> > This morning I found the same thing, but noticed the laptop had a lot
> > of ethernet traffic.
> >
> > My first thought was it was a bot and was contributing to a DOS
> > attack, so I unplugged its ethernet cable.
> >
> > But would not a bot-maker want his intrusion to be as unobtrusive as
> > possible?
> >
> > Any idea what is going on here?
> >
> > I would monitor the ethernet traffic with wireshark, but I have a
> > switch and not a hub.

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Re: [MBZ] Problems with Windows 10 Laptop

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 18:30:41 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Auto back-ups to the cloud?

Not that I know of. I have fired off an email to the owner about it.

It's still unresponsive to keyboard and mouse.

If I plug the ethernet cable in, there is traffic immediately after the
negotiation with the switch.

So it's still the same nearly 12 hours later.


Craig



> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 5:11 PM Craig via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> > A friend lent me his Windows 10 laptop while I am trying to repair
> > ours.
> >
> > I have come into my office a few times and found the laptop on but
> > entirely unresponsive. My response has been to hold the power button
> > down until it shut down and then reboot it.
> >
> > This morning I found the same thing, but noticed the laptop had a lot
> > of ethernet traffic.
> >
> > My first thought was it was a bot and was contributing to a DOS
> > attack, so I unplugged its ethernet cable.
> >
> > But would not a bot-maker want his intrusion to be as unobtrusive as
> > possible?
> >
> > Any idea what is going on here?
> >
> > I would monitor the ethernet traffic with wireshark, but I have a
> > switch and not a hub.

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Re: [MBZ] Problems with Windows 10 Laptop

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Auto back-ups to the cloud?

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 5:11 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> A friend lent me his Windows 10 laptop while I am trying to repair ours.
>
> I have come into my office a few times and found the laptop on but
> entirely unresponsive. My response has been to hold the power button
> down until it shut down and then reboot it.
>
> This morning I found the same thing, but noticed the laptop had a lot of
> ethernet traffic.
>
> My first thought was it was a bot and was contributing to a DOS attack,
> so I unplugged its ethernet cable.
>
> But would not a bot-maker want his intrusion to be as unobtrusive as
> possible?
>
> Any idea what is going on here?
>
> I would monitor the ethernet traffic with wireshark, but I have a switch
> and not a hub.
>
>
> Craig
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[MBZ] Problems with Windows 10 Laptop

[Craig via Mercedes]

A friend lent me his Windows 10 laptop while I am trying to repair ours.

I have come into my office a few times and found the laptop on but
entirely unresponsive. My response has been to hold the power button
down until it shut down and then reboot it.

This morning I found the same thing, but noticed the laptop had a lot of
ethernet traffic.

My first thought was it was a bot and was contributing to a DOS attack,
so I unplugged its ethernet cable.

But would not a bot-maker want his intrusion to be as unobtrusive as
possible?

Any idea what is going on here?

I would monitor the ethernet traffic with wireshark, but I have a switch
and not a hub.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Opinions needed on flooring

[OK Don via Mercedes]

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 1:28 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 
> It still got permanently swollen on seams where water was accidentally
> allowed to stand. Not talking about a flood, just spills. It happens,
> don't think it won't, especially in kitchens and entryways. I wasn't
> impressed. 
>

The same stuff is everywhere in the house, kitchen and both baths. Zero
issues with standing water affecting the glued seams (weldwood III).
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Re: [MBZ] Decent 2001 Mercedes Benz E320 Wagon - $2500

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Florida essentially “washes” salvage titles if they’re from out of state. When 
I bought Tarek’s (SN) 1995 S500 coupe it had a salvage title. He got hit in the 
RF fender by a soccer Mom in a parking lot. The insurance company totaled the 
car, he bought it back, got a nice used fender and had it resprayed to match 
the car. You wouldn’t have known it unless someone told you.

When I bought the car with a NC salvage title and titled it in Florida, the new 
title said nothing about salvage. I didn’t want to raise anyone’s interest, but 
I went downstairs to our registration office and asked why. They said as far as 
they were concerned if the car was titled and registered for being on the road 
in another state it was a clear title. Again, it would show up for anyone who 
checked the car’s history, but the Florida title said nothing about being 
salvage.

-D

> On Aug 10, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The $500E300 I got had a salvage title, maybe for 2 times wrecked and 
> repaired!  But it seemed to be mostly front end body work, fenders and front 
> fascia stuff, nothing particularly scary.  I took the title to the DMV and 
> they transferred it to me, no questions.  I don't know what the deal is with 
> the salvage title as long as the car is fit to drive.  And low-end 20yo rides 
> I can't see it matters much to "value" since they are so far down on the 
> depreciation curve no one cares
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 8/10/20 4:25 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> If you buy a car based on what it’s potential resale value is you need to 
>> ride the bus. I’ve had my SL500 for almost 8 years and I know I’ll sell it 
>> for less than market value because of the rebuilt title. However, I bought 
>> it below market for just that reason. It’s cost me no more that any other 
>> car I’ve owned, and I’ve gotten over 70k miles out of it, so I’ve come out 
>> well ahead.
>> 
>> When the day comes to sell it, I’ll offer it below market and be happy with 
>> whatever I get. If I was worried about future value when I bought it I would 
>> never have considered it, but for the most part I don’t buy cars for 
>> investment potential, I buy them for transportation.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2020, at 4:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> But how do you resell it?
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 4:16 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>> If it really bothers you have it washed through Vermont or one of the 
>>> online title washing services. Although that might be somewhat questionable 
>>> for your insurer, since the history will still be known.
>>> 
>>> A salvage title from some years ago is of no matter. It’s obvious the car 
>>> was wrecked, someone bought it back and repaired it and put it back on the 
>>> road. Best car I’ve had in my stable as far as repairs and maintenance 
>>> (1997 R129) has a rebuilt title. Salvage titles don’t bother me as long as 
>>> I know the reason, which allows me to make a intelligent decision as to why 
>>> and if the reason matters to me.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Aug 10, 2020, at 4:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
 
 Yeah, rare and gorgeous color but how do you cure a salvage title?  What
 does an accident have to do with this?
 
 On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 9:09 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
 
> Reasonable price, pretty color
> 
> 
> https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/angier-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-wagon/7174569547.html
>  
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Decent 2001 Mercedes Benz E320 Wagon - $2500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

The $500E300 I got had a salvage title, maybe for 2 times wrecked and 
repaired!  But it seemed to be mostly front end body work, fenders and 
front fascia stuff, nothing particularly scary.  I took the title to the 
DMV and they transferred it to me, no questions.  I don't know what the 
deal is with the salvage title as long as the car is fit to drive.  And 
low-end 20yo rides I can't see it matters much to "value" since they are 
so far down on the depreciation curve no one cares


--FT

On 8/10/20 4:25 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

If you buy a car based on what it’s potential resale value is you need to ride 
the bus. I’ve had my SL500 for almost 8 years and I know I’ll sell it for less 
than market value because of the rebuilt title. However, I bought it below 
market for just that reason. It’s cost me no more that any other car I’ve 
owned, and I’ve gotten over 70k miles out of it, so I’ve come out well ahead.

When the day comes to sell it, I’ll offer it below market and be happy with 
whatever I get. If I was worried about future value when I bought it I would 
never have considered it, but for the most part I don’t buy cars for investment 
potential, I buy them for transportation.

-D




On Aug 10, 2020, at 4:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:

But how do you resell it?

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 4:16 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
If it really bothers you have it washed through Vermont or one of the online 
title washing services. Although that might be somewhat questionable for your 
insurer, since the history will still be known.

A salvage title from some years ago is of no matter. It’s obvious the car was 
wrecked, someone bought it back and repaired it and put it back on the road. 
Best car I’ve had in my stable as far as repairs and maintenance (1997 R129) 
has a rebuilt title. Salvage titles don’t bother me as long as I know the 
reason, which allows me to make a intelligent decision as to why and if the 
reason matters to me.

-D


On Aug 10, 2020, at 4:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

Yeah, rare and gorgeous color but how do you cure a salvage title?  What
does an accident have to do with this?

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 9:09 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:


Reasonable price, pretty color


https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/angier-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-wagon/7174569547.html
 


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Re: [MBZ] cheap 240D 4spd

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 18:20:27 + (UTC) Curt Raymond
 wrote:

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barum_(company)
> I seem to remember Andrew being enamored of them.
> -Curt

Yes, he was, but that was Barum tires.

The ad, however, said Barnum, as in Barnum and Bailey.


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Re: [MBZ] Decent 2001 Mercedes Benz E320 Wagon - $2500

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

If you buy a car based on what it’s potential resale value is you need to ride 
the bus. I’ve had my SL500 for almost 8 years and I know I’ll sell it for less 
than market value because of the rebuilt title. However, I bought it below 
market for just that reason. It’s cost me no more that any other car I’ve 
owned, and I’ve gotten over 70k miles out of it, so I’ve come out well ahead.

When the day comes to sell it, I’ll offer it below market and be happy with 
whatever I get. If I was worried about future value when I bought it I would 
never have considered it, but for the most part I don’t buy cars for investment 
potential, I buy them for transportation.

-D



> On Aug 10, 2020, at 4:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> But how do you resell it?
> 
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 4:16 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> If it really bothers you have it washed through Vermont or one of the online 
> title washing services. Although that might be somewhat questionable for your 
> insurer, since the history will still be known.
> 
> A salvage title from some years ago is of no matter. It’s obvious the car was 
> wrecked, someone bought it back and repaired it and put it back on the road. 
> Best car I’ve had in my stable as far as repairs and maintenance (1997 R129) 
> has a rebuilt title. Salvage titles don’t bother me as long as I know the 
> reason, which allows me to make a intelligent decision as to why and if the 
> reason matters to me.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Aug 10, 2020, at 4:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Yeah, rare and gorgeous color but how do you cure a salvage title?  What
> > does an accident have to do with this?
> > 
> > On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 9:09 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > 
> >> Reasonable price, pretty color
> >> 
> >> 
> >> https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/angier-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-wagon/7174569547.html
> >>  
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Re: [MBZ] Opinions needed on flooring

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I have (real) oak T in most of my house in the main living areas where there 
isn’t tile (kitchen.) Bedrooms have carpet. Given the choice I wouldnt mess 
with the engineered stuff unless it was a retrofit.

-D

> On Aug 10, 2020, at 4:15 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Depending on what your house is worth, hardwood in living areas and a quality 
> tile in bathroom is standard for a higher end house. Carpet is nasty, tile 
> anywhere else but bathroom or mud room, or possibly kitchen is also cheap 
> looking. 
> That pergo stuff and laminate stuff is trash as well. But I’m a house snob.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2020, at 12:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I am thinking of just going back in with carpet where carpet was, and using 
>> the waterproof laminate in the utility and bathroom. Wife things that will 
>> be bad because this is a higher end house and it had carpet, original tile 
>> in master/utility/2nd bathroom, and formal dining room, pergo in kitchen 
>> nook, and slightly different tile at entry front door. Wife things having 
>> more than 2 different flooring types in a house is bad. She wants to do the 
>> pergo thru the whole house that is currently carpeted and in the utility and 
>> bathroom. Using the waterproof stuff is a lot more expensive. Whatever we do 
>> we are thinking about it lasting the next 3 years and for resale. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Saving any of that floor is a  waste of time then, and at ~$50 per hour you
>>> need to get the job done quickly.  Tile work is probably worth a lot more
>>> than $50 per hour, so material is very cheap compared to labor.  In your
>>> place, I'd do it once and do it right, rip it all up and slap down
>>> waterproof laminate, or put down a real tile floor using the correct
>>> thickness of subfloor and cement backerboard and then quality tile.  IIRC
>>> correctly from when I did our kitchen floor about 15 years ago, the
>>> subfloor and the cement backerboard with the tile cement in between them
>>> end up to be about 3/4 of an inch thick, and very stiff; on top of that is
>>> another layer of cement to hold the tile, and then the tile, so by the time
>>> you are done the sandwich of material is about an inch thick or even more,
>>> very stiff and very strong.
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 10:12 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 PS we have saved enough tiles without breaking them we might be able to
 get away with just pulling up some tiles in the bathroom and replace with
 tiles we have on hand but I’m not really sure I want to deal with trying to
 do that.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Aug 10, 2020, at 8:54 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> I really doubt it will dry through the tile.  Why not just remove the
 cracked tiles and see what's up?  If you find rot, you must keep removing
 tiles until you find the edges of the rot.
> 
> Sounds like an inferior tile installation (should not crack unless
 severally abused).  Personally I think tile is best in a bathroom, but it
 is hard work to install it correctly.
> 
> Do you have replacement tiles that match?  You might try just finding
 the rot edge, and fixing just that part then putting tile back in the
 patch.  However, if there is no cement backerboard under the tile (bad
 installation) then you need to rip and replace.
> 
> Cement backerboard would have saved the wood subfloor for while, but
 going years with cracked tiles is not reasonable.  Backerboard should also
 make the floor stiff enough so tiles won't crack under normal use.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> Aug 10, 2020 9:23:42 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com>:
> 
>> As we discovered the toilet was leaking and soaked the area under the
 house including the osb subfloor from the bottom. The flooring in the
 bathroom is ceramic tile. It is mostly in good shape but does have a couple
 of cracked tiles which have been that way for years. I am assuming that
 water probably got in under the tile? I have planned on pulling up all the
 tile, drying it out of wet from above, then see what or if subfloor needs
 to be replaced. Does this seem like the right approach or will the tile
 breathe to dry out any moisture under it? I am thinking the grout with be
 porous and breathable? If we pull it out we would probably go back in with
 one of those waterproof laminate flooring types.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Decent 2001 Mercedes Benz E320 Wagon - $2500

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

But how do you resell it?

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 4:16 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> If it really bothers you have it washed through Vermont or one of the
> online title washing services. Although that might be somewhat questionable
> for your insurer, since the history will still be known.
>
> A salvage title from some years ago is of no matter. It’s obvious the car
> was wrecked, someone bought it back and repaired it and put it back on the
> road. Best car I’ve had in my stable as far as repairs and maintenance
> (1997 R129) has a rebuilt title. Salvage titles don’t bother me as long as
> I know the reason, which allows me to make a intelligent decision as to why
> and if the reason matters to me.
>
> -D
>
> > On Aug 10, 2020, at 4:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, rare and gorgeous color but how do you cure a salvage title?  What
> > does an accident have to do with this?
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 9:09 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Reasonable price, pretty color
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/angier-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-wagon/7174569547.html
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] cheap 240D 4spd

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Never heard of them.  My preference is for Go Form or other brand X H rated
all season tires selling for no more than $40 each.  Made in China or SE
Asia - never Europe.  So far, so good.


On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 2:21 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barum_(company)
> I seem to remember Andrew being enamored of them.
> -Curt
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 10, 2020, 1:48:18 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 14:37:36 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> >
> https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/cary-1981-mercedes-240d/7174281797.html
>
>   Good little diesel project going for cheap
>   145,000 original miles
>   Fresh set of Barnum Tires
>   Runs rides and stops, just rough around the edges.
>   This is the 4 speed manual version.
>   Comes with a huge tub of parts including trim, gaskets, filters, clutch
>   plates, and a New Old Stock AC compressor
>
>
> Barnum Tires? As in Barnum and Bailey?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Opinions needed on flooring

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Depending on what your house is worth, hardwood in living areas and a quality 
tile in bathroom is standard for a higher end house. Carpet is nasty, tile 
anywhere else but bathroom or mud room, or possibly kitchen is also cheap 
looking. 
That pergo stuff and laminate stuff is trash as well. But I’m a house snob.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 10, 2020, at 12:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am thinking of just going back in with carpet where carpet was, and using 
> the waterproof laminate in the utility and bathroom. Wife things that will be 
> bad because this is a higher end house and it had carpet, original tile in 
> master/utility/2nd bathroom, and formal dining room, pergo in kitchen nook, 
> and slightly different tile at entry front door. Wife things having more than 
> 2 different flooring types in a house is bad. She wants to do the pergo thru 
> the whole house that is currently carpeted and in the utility and bathroom. 
> Using the waterproof stuff is a lot more expensive. Whatever we do we are 
> thinking about it lasting the next 3 years and for resale. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Saving any of that floor is a  waste of time then, and at ~$50 per hour you
>> need to get the job done quickly.  Tile work is probably worth a lot more
>> than $50 per hour, so material is very cheap compared to labor.  In your
>> place, I'd do it once and do it right, rip it all up and slap down
>> waterproof laminate, or put down a real tile floor using the correct
>> thickness of subfloor and cement backerboard and then quality tile.  IIRC
>> correctly from when I did our kitchen floor about 15 years ago, the
>> subfloor and the cement backerboard with the tile cement in between them
>> end up to be about 3/4 of an inch thick, and very stiff; on top of that is
>> another layer of cement to hold the tile, and then the tile, so by the time
>> you are done the sandwich of material is about an inch thick or even more,
>> very stiff and very strong.
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 10:12 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> PS we have saved enough tiles without breaking them we might be able to
>>> get away with just pulling up some tiles in the bathroom and replace with
>>> tiles we have on hand but I’m not really sure I want to deal with trying to
>>> do that.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 10, 2020, at 8:54 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 I really doubt it will dry through the tile.  Why not just remove the
>>> cracked tiles and see what's up?  If you find rot, you must keep removing
>>> tiles until you find the edges of the rot.
 
 Sounds like an inferior tile installation (should not crack unless
>>> severally abused).  Personally I think tile is best in a bathroom, but it
>>> is hard work to install it correctly.
 
 Do you have replacement tiles that match?  You might try just finding
>>> the rot edge, and fixing just that part then putting tile back in the
>>> patch.  However, if there is no cement backerboard under the tile (bad
>>> installation) then you need to rip and replace.
 
 Cement backerboard would have saved the wood subfloor for while, but
>>> going years with cracked tiles is not reasonable.  Backerboard should also
>>> make the floor stiff enough so tiles won't crack under normal use.
 
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 
 Aug 10, 2020 9:23:42 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>:
 
> As we discovered the toilet was leaking and soaked the area under the
>>> house including the osb subfloor from the bottom. The flooring in the
>>> bathroom is ceramic tile. It is mostly in good shape but does have a couple
>>> of cracked tiles which have been that way for years. I am assuming that
>>> water probably got in under the tile? I have planned on pulling up all the
>>> tile, drying it out of wet from above, then see what or if subfloor needs
>>> to be replaced. Does this seem like the right approach or will the tile
>>> breathe to dry out any moisture under it? I am thinking the grout with be
>>> porous and breathable? If we pull it out we would probably go back in with
>>> one of those waterproof laminate flooring types.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Decent 2001 Mercedes Benz E320 Wagon - $2500

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If it really bothers you have it washed through Vermont or one of the online 
title washing services. Although that might be somewhat questionable for your 
insurer, since the history will still be known.

A salvage title from some years ago is of no matter. It’s obvious the car was 
wrecked, someone bought it back and repaired it and put it back on the road. 
Best car I’ve had in my stable as far as repairs and maintenance (1997 R129) 
has a rebuilt title. Salvage titles don’t bother me as long as I know the 
reason, which allows me to make a intelligent decision as to why and if the 
reason matters to me.

-D

> On Aug 10, 2020, at 4:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, rare and gorgeous color but how do you cure a salvage title?  What
> does an accident have to do with this?
> 
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 9:09 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Reasonable price, pretty color
>> 
>> 
>> https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/angier-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-wagon/7174569547.html
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Vehicle Is 100% - No Questions Asked!!!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I guess you pay a premium for the 4 matic.

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 3:54 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes. There is an online vin checker to see if a particular vehicle is
> affected. I don't recall it off hand.
>
>
> Rick
>
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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>
> On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 09:14:37 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
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>
> > Seems nice, has 4 wheels, kinda high
> >
> >
> https://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/cto/d/myrtle-beach-2006-mercedes-benz-matic/7174173990.html
>
> Are the 2006 350s the engines with the balance shaft problem?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Update on the rental house

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

 
>If that area doesn’t attract non loser tenants then sell the house.


 +1


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Re: [MBZ] Update on the rental house

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

> relist it again and start from scratch

Relist it on the MLS. 

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] Decent 2001 Mercedes Benz E320 Wagon - $2500

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Yeah, rare and gorgeous color but how do you cure a salvage title?  What
does an accident have to do with this?

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 9:09 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Reasonable price, pretty color
>
>
> https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/angier-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-wagon/7174569547.html
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Re: [MBZ] Vehicle Is 100% - No Questions Asked!!!

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Yes. There is an online vin checker to see if a particular vehicle is affected. 
I don't recall it off hand.


Rick

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On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 09:14:37 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Seems nice, has 4 wheels, kinda high
>
> https://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/cto/d/myrtle-beach-2006-mercedes-benz-matic/7174173990.html

Are the 2006 350s the engines with the balance shaft problem?


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Re: [MBZ] Opinions needed on flooring

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Yes, my parent's house built in the 1960s has oak floors throughout
(except kitchen and utility rooms), and it's a basic ranch house in a
subdivision, dozens exactly like it in the neighborhood.

Allan

Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> All things considered, I would do solid oak floors (with the exception of the 
> bathroom and laundry room of course.) I used to do solid oak flooring as a 
> side gig many, many years ago. I knew a guy who did the finishing and we 
> teamed up to do floors as a side gig after work and on weekends. T oak 
> floors were very common in central Indiana at the time, so we had no problem 
> getting work. We might do 6-8 homes a year, not a lot, because it was more 
> fun and a way to earn some spending money without running a full blown 
> business.
>
> Solid oak floors are pretty easy to put down as long as the substrate they’re 
> going on is good. That’s half the work. With a good substrate laying down  
> oak T can go pretty fast and isn’t terribly difficult to do, especially 
> with an air nailer. It’s the finish work that takes time.
>
> -D
>
>> On Aug 10, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It still has to be specifically waterproof, Pergo or not. Maybe all
>> Pergo is waterproof these days. Back in about 1998 I had a continuous
>> kitchen/living room/entryway floor done in Pergo. Professionally
>> installed, glued seams, etc.
>> 
>> It still got permanently swollen on seams where water was accidentally
>> allowed to stand. Not talking about a flood, just spills. It happens,
>> don't think it won't, especially in kitchens and entryways. I wasn't
>> impressed.
>> 
>> If I were to install laminate again, I would only install 100%
>> guaranteed waterproof laminate, regardess of where in the house it is
>> going.
>> 
>> One other downside of all tile and laminate floors is the house will be
>> noisy. In addition to dirt and pet stains, carpet absorbs a lot of
>> sound.
>> 
>> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> If I was doing laminate, and I have before, I would only use Pergo. 
>>> Everything else is junk. Yes, it’s expensive, but the old adage of “You get 
>>> what you pay for” definitely rings true with this stuff.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Aug 10, 2020, at 12:41 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Real actual Pergo brand laminate flooring is amazing. We looked at a house 
 where the pipes had frozen and leaked. The whole house stank, the ceiling 
 fans were drooping flowers, the paint was coming off the walls. The Pergo 
 flooring was absolutely perfect. It hadn't buckled or de-laminated, there 
 was no sign of it having any problem despite a very high humidity. If I 
 were going to do laminate floors, for a house I was going to live in, I'd 
 pay the premium for it every time.
 -Curt
 
   On Monday, August 10, 2020, 12:24:37 PM EDT, fmiser via Mercedes 
  wrote:  
 
> Kaleb wrote:
 
> She wants to do the pergo thru the whole house that is currently
> carpeted and in the utility and bathroom. 
 
 Pergo isn't waterproof - right?
 
 Using that in the bathroom and by the washing machine is as silly
 as using carpet in those places.  There _will_ be water on the
 floor!
 

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Re: [MBZ] Opinions needed on flooring

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

All things considered, I would do solid oak floors (with the exception of the 
bathroom and laundry room of course.) I used to do solid oak flooring as a side 
gig many, many years ago. I knew a guy who did the finishing and we teamed up 
to do floors as a side gig after work and on weekends. T oak floors were very 
common in central Indiana at the time, so we had no problem getting work. We 
might do 6-8 homes a year, not a lot, because it was more fun and a way to earn 
some spending money without running a full blown business.

Solid oak floors are pretty easy to put down as long as the substrate they’re 
going on is good. That’s half the work. With a good substrate laying down  oak 
T can go pretty fast and isn’t terribly difficult to do, especially with an 
air nailer. It’s the finish work that takes time.

-D

> On Aug 10, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It still has to be specifically waterproof, Pergo or not. Maybe all
> Pergo is waterproof these days. Back in about 1998 I had a continuous
> kitchen/living room/entryway floor done in Pergo. Professionally
> installed, glued seams, etc.
> 
> It still got permanently swollen on seams where water was accidentally
> allowed to stand. Not talking about a flood, just spills. It happens,
> don't think it won't, especially in kitchens and entryways. I wasn't
> impressed.
> 
> If I were to install laminate again, I would only install 100%
> guaranteed waterproof laminate, regardess of where in the house it is
> going.
> 
> One other downside of all tile and laminate floors is the house will be
> noisy. In addition to dirt and pet stains, carpet absorbs a lot of
> sound.
> 
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> If I was doing laminate, and I have before, I would only use Pergo. 
>> Everything else is junk. Yes, it’s expensive, but the old adage of “You get 
>> what you pay for” definitely rings true with this stuff.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2020, at 12:41 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Real actual Pergo brand laminate flooring is amazing. We looked at a house 
>>> where the pipes had frozen and leaked. The whole house stank, the ceiling 
>>> fans were drooping flowers, the paint was coming off the walls. The Pergo 
>>> flooring was absolutely perfect. It hadn't buckled or de-laminated, there 
>>> was no sign of it having any problem despite a very high humidity. If I 
>>> were going to do laminate floors, for a house I was going to live in, I'd 
>>> pay the premium for it every time.
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>   On Monday, August 10, 2020, 12:24:37 PM EDT, fmiser via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:  
>>> 
 Kaleb wrote:
>>> 
 She wants to do the pergo thru the whole house that is currently
 carpeted and in the utility and bathroom. 
>>> 
>>> Pergo isn't waterproof - right?
>>> 
>>> Using that in the bathroom and by the washing machine is as silly
>>> as using carpet in those places.  There _will_ be water on the
>>> floor!
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Opinions needed on flooring

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

It still has to be specifically waterproof, Pergo or not. Maybe all
Pergo is waterproof these days. Back in about 1998 I had a continuous
kitchen/living room/entryway floor done in Pergo. Professionally
installed, glued seams, etc.

It still got permanently swollen on seams where water was accidentally
allowed to stand. Not talking about a flood, just spills. It happens,
don't think it won't, especially in kitchens and entryways. I wasn't
impressed.

If I were to install laminate again, I would only install 100%
guaranteed waterproof laminate, regardess of where in the house it is
going.

One other downside of all tile and laminate floors is the house will be
noisy. In addition to dirt and pet stains, carpet absorbs a lot of
sound.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> If I was doing laminate, and I have before, I would only use Pergo. 
> Everything else is junk. Yes, it’s expensive, but the old adage of “You get 
> what you pay for” definitely rings true with this stuff.
>
> -D
>
>> On Aug 10, 2020, at 12:41 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Real actual Pergo brand laminate flooring is amazing. We looked at a house 
>> where the pipes had frozen and leaked. The whole house stank, the ceiling 
>> fans were drooping flowers, the paint was coming off the walls. The Pergo 
>> flooring was absolutely perfect. It hadn't buckled or de-laminated, there 
>> was no sign of it having any problem despite a very high humidity. If I were 
>> going to do laminate floors, for a house I was going to live in, I'd pay the 
>> premium for it every time.
>> -Curt
>> 
>>On Monday, August 10, 2020, 12:24:37 PM EDT, fmiser via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:  
>> 
>>> Kaleb wrote:
>> 
>>> She wants to do the pergo thru the whole house that is currently
>>> carpeted and in the utility and bathroom. 
>> 
>> Pergo isn't waterproof - right?
>> 
>> Using that in the bathroom and by the washing machine is as silly
>> as using carpet in those places.  There _will_ be water on the
>> floor!
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] cheap 240D 4spd

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barum_(company)
I seem to remember Andrew being enamored of them.
-Curt




On Monday, August 10, 2020, 1:48:18 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 14:37:36 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/cary-1981-mercedes-240d/7174281797.html

  Good little diesel project going for cheap
  145,000 original miles
  Fresh set of Barnum Tires
  Runs rides and stops, just rough around the edges.
  This is the 4 speed manual version.
  Comes with a huge tub of parts including trim, gaskets, filters, clutch
  plates, and a New Old Stock AC compressor


Barnum Tires? As in Barnum and Bailey?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] cheap 240D 4spd

[MG via Mercedes]

That's the ones made for the clown cars!

Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 14:37:36 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:


https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/cary-1981-mercedes-240d/7174281797.html


   Good little diesel project going for cheap
   145,000 original miles
   Fresh set of Barnum Tires
   Runs rides and stops, just rough around the edges.
   This is the 4 speed manual version.
   Comes with a huge tub of parts including trim, gaskets, filters, clutch
   plates, and a New Old Stock AC compressor


Barnum Tires? As in Barnum and Bailey?


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Re: [MBZ] Vehicle Is 100% - No Questions Asked!!!

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 wrote:

> Seems nice, has 4 wheels, kinda high
> 
> https://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/cto/d/myrtle-beach-2006-mercedes-benz-matic/7174173990.html

Are the 2006 350s the engines with the balance shaft problem?


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Re: [MBZ] Opinions needed on flooring

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I don’t remember if we used pergo or a different brand in the kitchen nook but 
after 3 years of their abuse it still looks perfect. If I were moving in myself 
it would be no question but not sure on a house we are just going to sell in 3 
years. 

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> On Aug 10, 2020, at 12:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> If I was doing laminate, and I have before, I would only use Pergo. 
> Everything else is junk. Yes, it’s expensive, but the old adage of “You get 
> what you pay for” definitely rings true with this stuff.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2020, at 12:41 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Real actual Pergo brand laminate flooring is amazing. We looked at a house 
>> where the pipes had frozen and leaked. The whole house stank, the ceiling 
>> fans were drooping flowers, the paint was coming off the walls. The Pergo 
>> flooring was absolutely perfect. It hadn't buckled or de-laminated, there 
>> was no sign of it having any problem despite a very high humidity. If I were 
>> going to do laminate floors, for a house I was going to live in, I'd pay the 
>> premium for it every time.
>> -Curt
>> 
>>>   On Monday, August 10, 2020, 12:24:37 PM EDT, fmiser via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:  
>>> 
>>> Kaleb wrote:
>> 
>>> She wants to do the pergo thru the whole house that is currently
>>> carpeted and in the utility and bathroom. 
>> 
>> Pergo isn't waterproof - right?
>> 
>> Using that in the bathroom and by the washing machine is as silly
>> as using carpet in those places.  There _will_ be water on the
>> floor!
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Re: [MBZ] Opinions needed on flooring

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

They have waterproof versions

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> On Aug 10, 2020, at 11:24 AM, fmiser via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> Kaleb wrote:
> 
>> She wants to do the pergo thru the whole house that is currently
>> carpeted and in the utility and bathroom. 
> 
> Pergo isn't waterproof - right?
> 
> Using that in the bathroom and by the washing machine is as silly
> as using carpet in those places.  There _will_ be water on the
> floor!
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Re: [MBZ] cheap 240D 4spd

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On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 14:37:36 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/cary-1981-mercedes-240d/7174281797.html

   Good little diesel project going for cheap
   145,000 original miles
   Fresh set of Barnum Tires
   Runs rides and stops, just rough around the edges.
   This is the 4 speed manual version.
   Comes with a huge tub of parts including trim, gaskets, filters, clutch
   plates, and a New Old Stock AC compressor


Barnum Tires? As in Barnum and Bailey?


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Re: [MBZ] Opinions needed on flooring

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

If I was doing laminate, and I have before, I would only use Pergo. Everything 
else is junk. Yes, it’s expensive, but the old adage of “You get what you pay 
for” definitely rings true with this stuff.

-D

> On Aug 10, 2020, at 12:41 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Real actual Pergo brand laminate flooring is amazing. We looked at a house 
> where the pipes had frozen and leaked. The whole house stank, the ceiling 
> fans were drooping flowers, the paint was coming off the walls. The Pergo 
> flooring was absolutely perfect. It hadn't buckled or de-laminated, there was 
> no sign of it having any problem despite a very high humidity. If I were 
> going to do laminate floors, for a house I was going to live in, I'd pay the 
> premium for it every time.
> -Curt
> 
>On Monday, August 10, 2020, 12:24:37 PM EDT, fmiser via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
>> Kaleb wrote:
> 
>> She wants to do the pergo thru the whole house that is currently
>> carpeted and in the utility and bathroom. 
> 
> Pergo isn't waterproof - right?
> 
> Using that in the bathroom and by the washing machine is as silly
> as using carpet in those places.  There _will_ be water on the
> floor!
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Re: [MBZ] Opinions needed on flooring

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Real actual Pergo brand laminate flooring is amazing. We looked at a house 
where the pipes had frozen and leaked. The whole house stank, the ceiling fans 
were drooping flowers, the paint was coming off the walls. The Pergo flooring 
was absolutely perfect. It hadn't buckled or de-laminated, there was no sign of 
it having any problem despite a very high humidity. If I were going to do 
laminate floors, for a house I was going to live in, I'd pay the premium for it 
every time.
-Curt

On Monday, August 10, 2020, 12:24:37 PM EDT, fmiser via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 > Kaleb wrote:

> She wants to do the pergo thru the whole house that is currently
> carpeted and in the utility and bathroom. 

Pergo isn't waterproof - right?

Using that in the bathroom and by the washing machine is as silly
as using carpet in those places.  There _will_ be water on the
floor!

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Re: [MBZ] Opinions needed on flooring

[OK Don via Mercedes]

We used non-waterproff laminate flooring when we bought this house
throughout the entire house. I glued the joints in the kitchen and both
baths with Weldwood III waterproof glue, thinking that it would protect the
flooring. A few months later the wife decided to fill a jacuzzi  tube,
forgot it, and let it overflow. The bathroom floor where I'd glued the
joints was untouched. Where the water flowed out into the bedroom had
swollen joints. They eventually dried out and went back to normal. You
can't tell it happened now.
That glue did the trick to make the laminate waterproof though ...

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 11:24 AM fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > Kaleb wrote:
>
> > She wants to do the pergo thru the whole house that is currently
> > carpeted and in the utility and bathroom.
>
> Pergo isn't waterproof - right?
>
> Using that in the bathroom and by the washing machine is as silly
> as using carpet in those places.  There _will_ be water on the
> floor!
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Re: [MBZ] Opinions needed on flooring

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Kaleb wrote:

> She wants to do the pergo thru the whole house that is currently
> carpeted and in the utility and bathroom. 

Pergo isn't waterproof - right?

Using that in the bathroom and by the washing machine is as silly
as using carpet in those places.  There _will_ be water on the
floor!

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Re: [MBZ] Opinions needed on flooring

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I am thinking of just going back in with carpet where carpet was, and using the 
waterproof laminate in the utility and bathroom. Wife things that will be bad 
because this is a higher end house and it had carpet, original tile in 
master/utility/2nd bathroom, and formal dining room, pergo in kitchen nook, and 
slightly different tile at entry front door. Wife things having more than 2 
different flooring types in a house is bad. She wants to do the pergo thru the 
whole house that is currently carpeted and in the utility and bathroom. Using 
the waterproof stuff is a lot more expensive. Whatever we do we are thinking 
about it lasting the next 3 years and for resale. 


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> On Aug 10, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Saving any of that floor is a  waste of time then, and at ~$50 per hour you
> need to get the job done quickly.  Tile work is probably worth a lot more
> than $50 per hour, so material is very cheap compared to labor.  In your
> place, I'd do it once and do it right, rip it all up and slap down
> waterproof laminate, or put down a real tile floor using the correct
> thickness of subfloor and cement backerboard and then quality tile.  IIRC
> correctly from when I did our kitchen floor about 15 years ago, the
> subfloor and the cement backerboard with the tile cement in between them
> end up to be about 3/4 of an inch thick, and very stiff; on top of that is
> another layer of cement to hold the tile, and then the tile, so by the time
> you are done the sandwich of material is about an inch thick or even more,
> very stiff and very strong.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 10:12 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> PS we have saved enough tiles without breaking them we might be able to
>> get away with just pulling up some tiles in the bathroom and replace with
>> tiles we have on hand but I’m not really sure I want to deal with trying to
>> do that.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2020, at 8:54 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I really doubt it will dry through the tile.  Why not just remove the
>> cracked tiles and see what's up?  If you find rot, you must keep removing
>> tiles until you find the edges of the rot.
>>> 
>>> Sounds like an inferior tile installation (should not crack unless
>> severally abused).  Personally I think tile is best in a bathroom, but it
>> is hard work to install it correctly.
>>> 
>>> Do you have replacement tiles that match?  You might try just finding
>> the rot edge, and fixing just that part then putting tile back in the
>> patch.  However, if there is no cement backerboard under the tile (bad
>> installation) then you need to rip and replace.
>>> 
>>> Cement backerboard would have saved the wood subfloor for while, but
>> going years with cracked tiles is not reasonable.  Backerboard should also
>> make the floor stiff enough so tiles won't crack under normal use.
>>> 
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
>>> Aug 10, 2020 9:23:42 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>:
>>> 
 As we discovered the toilet was leaking and soaked the area under the
>> house including the osb subfloor from the bottom. The flooring in the
>> bathroom is ceramic tile. It is mostly in good shape but does have a couple
>> of cracked tiles which have been that way for years. I am assuming that
>> water probably got in under the tile? I have planned on pulling up all the
>> tile, drying it out of wet from above, then see what or if subfloor needs
>> to be replaced. Does this seem like the right approach or will the tile
>> breathe to dry out any moisture under it? I am thinking the grout with be
>> porous and breathable? If we pull it out we would probably go back in with
>> one of those waterproof laminate flooring types.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Update on the rental house

[G Mann via Mercedes]

One word Contract  It puts the deal on a professional level right
from the start.. You write the contract with performance clause that
clearly states what is to be done, the delivery time for finished
work,inspection, and most importantly, Value... with clear language to the
quality of work and what is acceptable to you before you sign off on the
job in exchange for a dollar value, to be accepted by worker as payment in
kind in so many days of rent, clearly stated on a per day value..

Then, when you go to court, should you go to court... you have a document,
signed by all parties, to bring to the judge... and you have a leg to stand
on for claim.

He said.. She said... verbal claims hold no legal value in court... put it
in written form.. signed and dated..

It's life as a landlord.. or you get to lose..

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 5:29 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes that is true and I have also come to believe it is generally not a
> good idea to work out deals with renters to do work. Maybe I am mistaken in
> that. When we first started renting it the people who were going to move in
> were professional painter. We worked out a deal were we paid for the paint
> and they did the work. They got it done and did a great job professionally
> painting the entire house.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 9, 2020, at 10:15 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > OSB can take a certain amount of short-term moisture. After all, it's
> > common for houses that are under construction to get rained on before
> > the roof is on. If you can get it properly dried out and it's still
> > solid it's probably OK.
> >
> > I understand the temptation to have the contractor fix the place up in
> > lieu of rent but accounting-wise it may be cleaner if there's a clear
> > paper trail of him paying the rent and you paying him for his
> > services. Same difference in the end but when you deduct all your
> > business losses on this rental from your taxes next year, the
> > documentation may be helpful.
> >
> >
> > Allan
> >
> >
> > Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
> >
> >> It’s so tempting. I’m honestly not sure what we are going to do at this
> point. We had a guy come over who is a contractor that was originally
> scheduled to view the house to lease when we were showing it but had to
> cancel due to a family deal. We got him over together to work up quotes for
> the utility room in order to sue the past renters. We also sent him over to
> my dads house to do some work. When we discovered the bathroom issue he
> came back over to look at that as well. He was interested in possibly
> working out a deal with him doing the work and us taking a portion off rent
> for a certain amount of time till whatever number he comes up with is paid.
> Waiting on a number. The other alternative is to simply do the work
> ourselves as originally planned, carry the mortgage for a couple of months
> then relist it again and start from scratch. Could probably actually charge
> more as I think we had it priced too cheap in the first place.
> >>
> >> I went and bought a fan and crawled back under the house and set it up
> to dry it out from underneath. As I said the floor joists still seemed
> solid and even the OSB subfloor didn’t appear to be weak like it was about
> to fall thru. If we simply dry it out and do not take up the tile in that
> bathroom and replace, I am wondering if once it dries out it doesn’t start
> crumbling down the line.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
>  On Aug 9, 2020, at 8:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Okie lighting?
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
>  On Aug 9, 2020, at 8:47 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  https://www.amazon.com/Gallon-Can-Spill-Proof-Container/dp/B00SLPYJX0
> 
>  I'm just sayin'.
> 
>  -MMM-
> 
> > On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 7:17 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > The folks we signed a lease with that were due to move in next
> weekend
> > were told of the situation and it would probably be end of month at
> the
> > earliest. They wanted to come out and look. After a lengthy
> discussion and
> > full disclosure they said they still wanted to lease the house. We
> gave
> > them the option to refund their deposit. Later on they messaged us
> and
> > decided after thinking about it they decided they couldn’t move in
> there. I
> > can’t blame them. So now in addition to all the damage the old
> renters cost
> > us a months worth of time and the new renters. Will have to start
> from
> > scratch.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Aug 9, 2020, at 6:45 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Only way to find out is to ask ...
> >>
> >>> On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 

Re: [MBZ] Opinions needed on flooring

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Saving any of that floor is a  waste of time then, and at ~$50 per hour you
need to get the job done quickly.  Tile work is probably worth a lot more
than $50 per hour, so material is very cheap compared to labor.  In your
place, I'd do it once and do it right, rip it all up and slap down
waterproof laminate, or put down a real tile floor using the correct
thickness of subfloor and cement backerboard and then quality tile.  IIRC
correctly from when I did our kitchen floor about 15 years ago, the
subfloor and the cement backerboard with the tile cement in between them
end up to be about 3/4 of an inch thick, and very stiff; on top of that is
another layer of cement to hold the tile, and then the tile, so by the time
you are done the sandwich of material is about an inch thick or even more,
very stiff and very strong.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 10:12 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> PS we have saved enough tiles without breaking them we might be able to
> get away with just pulling up some tiles in the bathroom and replace with
> tiles we have on hand but I’m not really sure I want to deal with trying to
> do that.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 10, 2020, at 8:54 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I really doubt it will dry through the tile.  Why not just remove the
> cracked tiles and see what's up?  If you find rot, you must keep removing
> tiles until you find the edges of the rot.
> >
> > Sounds like an inferior tile installation (should not crack unless
> severally abused).  Personally I think tile is best in a bathroom, but it
> is hard work to install it correctly.
> >
> > Do you have replacement tiles that match?  You might try just finding
> the rot edge, and fixing just that part then putting tile back in the
> patch.  However, if there is no cement backerboard under the tile (bad
> installation) then you need to rip and replace.
> >
> > Cement backerboard would have saved the wood subfloor for while, but
> going years with cracked tiles is not reasonable.  Backerboard should also
> make the floor stiff enough so tiles won't crack under normal use.
> >
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > Aug 10, 2020 9:23:42 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>:
> >
> >> As we discovered the toilet was leaking and soaked the area under the
> house including the osb subfloor from the bottom. The flooring in the
> bathroom is ceramic tile. It is mostly in good shape but does have a couple
> of cracked tiles which have been that way for years. I am assuming that
> water probably got in under the tile? I have planned on pulling up all the
> tile, drying it out of wet from above, then see what or if subfloor needs
> to be replaced. Does this seem like the right approach or will the tile
> breathe to dry out any moisture under it? I am thinking the grout with be
> porous and breathable? If we pull it out we would probably go back in with
> one of those waterproof laminate flooring types.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Opinions needed on flooring

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 You gotta clean the place up and sell that albatross. Use the time you free up 
for something good, like fixing cars.
-Curt

On Monday, August 10, 2020, 10:12:00 AM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 PS we have saved enough tiles without breaking them we might be able to get 
away with just pulling up some tiles in the bathroom and replace with tiles we 
have on hand but I’m not really sure I want to deal with trying to do that. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 10, 2020, at 8:54 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I really doubt it will dry through the tile.  Why not just remove the 
> cracked tiles and see what's up?  If you find rot, you must keep removing 
> tiles until you find the edges of the rot.
> 
> Sounds like an inferior tile installation (should not crack unless severally 
> abused).  Personally I think tile is best in a bathroom, but it is hard work 
> to install it correctly.
> 
> Do you have replacement tiles that match?  You might try just finding the rot 
> edge, and fixing just that part then putting tile back in the patch.  
> However, if there is no cement backerboard under the tile (bad installation) 
> then you need to rip and replace.
> 
> Cement backerboard would have saved the wood subfloor for while, but going 
> years with cracked tiles is not reasonable.  Backerboard should also make the 
> floor stiff enough so tiles won't crack under normal use.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> Aug 10, 2020 9:23:42 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :
> 
>> As we discovered the toilet was leaking and soaked the area under the house 
>> including the osb subfloor from the bottom. The flooring in the bathroom is 
>> ceramic tile. It is mostly in good shape but does have a couple of cracked 
>> tiles which have been that way for years. I am assuming that water probably 
>> got in under the tile? I have planned on pulling up all the tile, drying it 
>> out of wet from above, then see what or if subfloor needs to be replaced. 
>> Does this seem like the right approach or will the tile breathe to dry out 
>> any moisture under it? I am thinking the grout with be porous and 
>> breathable? If we pull it out we would probably go back in with one of those 
>> waterproof laminate flooring types.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Opinions needed on flooring

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

PS we have saved enough tiles without breaking them we might be able to get 
away with just pulling up some tiles in the bathroom and replace with tiles we 
have on hand but I’m not really sure I want to deal with trying to do that. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 10, 2020, at 8:54 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I really doubt it will dry through the tile.  Why not just remove the 
> cracked tiles and see what's up?  If you find rot, you must keep removing 
> tiles until you find the edges of the rot.
> 
> Sounds like an inferior tile installation (should not crack unless severally 
> abused).  Personally I think tile is best in a bathroom, but it is hard work 
> to install it correctly.
> 
> Do you have replacement tiles that match?  You might try just finding the rot 
> edge, and fixing just that part then putting tile back in the patch.  
> However, if there is no cement backerboard under the tile (bad installation) 
> then you need to rip and replace.
> 
> Cement backerboard would have saved the wood subfloor for while, but going 
> years with cracked tiles is not reasonable.  Backerboard should also make the 
> floor stiff enough so tiles won't crack under normal use.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> Aug 10, 2020 9:23:42 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :
> 
>> As we discovered the toilet was leaking and soaked the area under the house 
>> including the osb subfloor from the bottom. The flooring in the bathroom is 
>> ceramic tile. It is mostly in good shape but does have a couple of cracked 
>> tiles which have been that way for years. I am assuming that water probably 
>> got in under the tile? I have planned on pulling up all the tile, drying it 
>> out of wet from above, then see what or if subfloor needs to be replaced. 
>> Does this seem like the right approach or will the tile breathe to dry out 
>> any moisture under it? I am thinking the grout with be porous and 
>> breathable? If we pull it out we would probably go back in with one of those 
>> waterproof laminate flooring types.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Opinions needed on flooring

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

When they installed the tile in this house when it was built they apparently 
installed it directly on the osb subfloor. As a result we have had tiles thru 
the entire house crack over the years. Can’t find a match anymore so when we 
had to pull up the flooring in the kitchen nook area we ended up segmenting 
that off and doing laminate wood there which looked good. About 10 years before 
that we had another issue at the front door and we put tile back down but used 
a sort of contrasting color to make it look like a separate entry hall next to 
the adjoining formal dining room. The tile in there is still good. Eventually 
all the tile will need to probably be replaced 

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> On Aug 10, 2020, at 8:54 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I really doubt it will dry through the tile.  Why not just remove the 
> cracked tiles and see what's up?  If you find rot, you must keep removing 
> tiles until you find the edges of the rot.
> 
> Sounds like an inferior tile installation (should not crack unless severally 
> abused).  Personally I think tile is best in a bathroom, but it is hard work 
> to install it correctly.
> 
> Do you have replacement tiles that match?  You might try just finding the rot 
> edge, and fixing just that part then putting tile back in the patch.  
> However, if there is no cement backerboard under the tile (bad installation) 
> then you need to rip and replace.
> 
> Cement backerboard would have saved the wood subfloor for while, but going 
> years with cracked tiles is not reasonable.  Backerboard should also make the 
> floor stiff enough so tiles won't crack under normal use.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> Aug 10, 2020 9:23:42 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :
> 
>> As we discovered the toilet was leaking and soaked the area under the house 
>> including the osb subfloor from the bottom. The flooring in the bathroom is 
>> ceramic tile. It is mostly in good shape but does have a couple of cracked 
>> tiles which have been that way for years. I am assuming that water probably 
>> got in under the tile? I have planned on pulling up all the tile, drying it 
>> out of wet from above, then see what or if subfloor needs to be replaced. 
>> Does this seem like the right approach or will the tile breathe to dry out 
>> any moisture under it? I am thinking the grout with be porous and 
>> breathable? If we pull it out we would probably go back in with one of those 
>> waterproof laminate flooring types.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Opinions needed on flooring

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I really doubt it will dry through the tile.  Why not just remove the cracked 
tiles and see what's up?  If you find rot, you must keep removing tiles until 
you find the edges of the rot.

Sounds like an inferior tile installation (should not crack unless severally 
abused).  Personally I think tile is best in a bathroom, but it is hard work to 
install it correctly.

Do you have replacement tiles that match?  You might try just finding the rot 
edge, and fixing just that part then putting tile back in the patch.  However, 
if there is no cement backerboard under the tile (bad installation) then you 
need to rip and replace.

Cement backerboard would have saved the wood subfloor for while, but going 
years with cracked tiles is not reasonable.  Backerboard should also make the 
floor stiff enough so tiles won't crack under normal use.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Aug 10, 2020 9:23:42 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

> As we discovered the toilet was leaking and soaked the area under the house 
> including the osb subfloor from the bottom. The flooring in the bathroom is 
> ceramic tile. It is mostly in good shape but does have a couple of cracked 
> tiles which have been that way for years. I am assuming that water probably 
> got in under the tile? I have planned on pulling up all the tile, drying it 
> out of wet from above, then see what or if subfloor needs to be replaced. 
> Does this seem like the right approach or will the tile breathe to dry out 
> any moisture under it? I am thinking the grout with be porous and breathable? 
> If we pull it out we would probably go back in with one of those waterproof 
> laminate flooring types.
> 
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[MBZ] Opinions needed on flooring

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

As we discovered the toilet was leaking and soaked the area under the house 
including the osb subfloor from the bottom. The flooring in the bathroom is 
ceramic tile. It is mostly in good shape but does have a couple of cracked 
tiles which have been that way for years. I am assuming that water probably got 
in under the tile? I have planned on pulling up all the tile, drying it out of 
wet from above, then see what or if subfloor needs to be replaced. Does this 
seem like the right approach or will the tile breathe to dry out any moisture 
under it? I am thinking the grout with be porous and breathable? If we pull it 
out we would probably go back in with one of those waterproof laminate flooring 
types. 

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Re: [MBZ] Update on the rental house

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes that is true and I have also come to believe it is generally not a good 
idea to work out deals with renters to do work. Maybe I am mistaken in that. 
When we first started renting it the people who were going to move in were 
professional painter. We worked out a deal were we paid for the paint and they 
did the work. They got it done and did a great job professionally painting the 
entire house. 

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> On Aug 9, 2020, at 10:15 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> OSB can take a certain amount of short-term moisture. After all, it's
> common for houses that are under construction to get rained on before
> the roof is on. If you can get it properly dried out and it's still
> solid it's probably OK.
> 
> I understand the temptation to have the contractor fix the place up in
> lieu of rent but accounting-wise it may be cleaner if there's a clear
> paper trail of him paying the rent and you paying him for his
> services. Same difference in the end but when you deduct all your
> business losses on this rental from your taxes next year, the
> documentation may be helpful.
> 
> 
> Allan
> 
> 
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> It’s so tempting. I’m honestly not sure what we are going to do at this 
>> point. We had a guy come over who is a contractor that was originally 
>> scheduled to view the house to lease when we were showing it but had to 
>> cancel due to a family deal. We got him over together to work up quotes for 
>> the utility room in order to sue the past renters. We also sent him over to 
>> my dads house to do some work. When we discovered the bathroom issue he came 
>> back over to look at that as well. He was interested in possibly working out 
>> a deal with him doing the work and us taking a portion off rent for a 
>> certain amount of time till whatever number he comes up with is paid. 
>> Waiting on a number. The other alternative is to simply do the work 
>> ourselves as originally planned, carry the mortgage for a couple of months 
>> then relist it again and start from scratch. Could probably actually charge 
>> more as I think we had it priced too cheap in the first place. 
>> 
>> I went and bought a fan and crawled back under the house and set it up to 
>> dry it out from underneath. As I said the floor joists still seemed solid 
>> and even the OSB subfloor didn’t appear to be weak like it was about to fall 
>> thru. If we simply dry it out and do not take up the tile in that bathroom 
>> and replace, I am wondering if once it dries out it doesn’t start crumbling 
>> down the line. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Aug 9, 2020, at 8:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Okie lighting?
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Aug 9, 2020, at 8:47 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 https://www.amazon.com/Gallon-Can-Spill-Proof-Container/dp/B00SLPYJX0
 
 I'm just sayin'.
 
 -MMM-
 
> On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 7:17 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> The folks we signed a lease with that were due to move in next weekend
> were told of the situation and it would probably be end of month at the
> earliest. They wanted to come out and look. After a lengthy discussion and
> full disclosure they said they still wanted to lease the house. We gave
> them the option to refund their deposit. Later on they messaged us and
> decided after thinking about it they decided they couldn’t move in there. 
> I
> can’t blame them. So now in addition to all the damage the old renters 
> cost
> us a months worth of time and the new renters. Will have to start from
> scratch.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2020, at 6:45 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>> 
>> Only way to find out is to ask ...
>> 
>>> On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 2:32 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> PS thought about trying to file an insurance claim but I’m not sure USAA
>>> would cover it due to negligence.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Aug 9, 2020, at 2:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin 
> wrote:
 
 Just finished removing ALL of the carpet and padding in the downstairs
>>> portion of the house. Good news is the house smells 100 times better.
> Hosed
>>> that office area concrete down with that pet enzymes stuff then have
> the o
>>> zone machine running and it smells much better. Bad news is when I
> pulled
>>> the padding up in one of the bedrooms next to the 2nd bathroom there
> was a
>>> huge patch of mold. Pulled padding up from the bedroom on other side
> and it
>>> also has mold.
 Oh boy. Crawled back under house and it’s a total disaster under that
>>> bathroom and toilet active water leaking right out of toilet. When we
> got
>>> to the house I noticed the