Re: [MBZ] Loud knock.

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

If you are talking about this ML I just bought it has no oil pressure 
gauge, or even a sensor as far as i know.


On 6/6/2021 10:46 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Just a thought, a rod knock that loud would cause minimal oil pressure. Is
the oil gauge showing normal pressure?



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[MBZ] Loud knock.

[Frederick Moir via Mercedes]

Just a thought, a rod knock that loud would cause minimal oil pressure. Is
the oil gauge showing normal pressure?

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Re: [MBZ] Did I get the deal of the century? 642 rod knocking magically cured?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You can't kill a diesel in less than 1 million miles.

On Sun, Jun 6, 2021, 11:13 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That is what i am thinking.  There is a check engine light so I will see
> what it tells me.
>
> On 6/6/2021 10:09 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes wrote:
> > Plugged injector? They can be very loud.
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 10:59 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> So against my better judgement I bought this 2009 ML320 Bluetec today
> >> for $1k.  Guy who owned it said he had the oil changed about 2 years ago
> >> (truck has been sitting since), then left for a 4 hour road trip.  He
> >> says suddenly it starts acting strange and he pulls over and its got a
> >> loud knock.  He says he checked the oil and the dipstick was dry, never
> >> got a low oil level warning.  He says he put oil in it then had it towed
> >> home.  I show up today, throw a battery in it and it fires right up but
> >> sounds like a rod is about the go shooting out the side of the block.  I
> >> load it up and bring it home.  When I get home,  I made this video while
> >> on the trailer, then after unloading it.  Just watch the video and you
> >> will see what I mean.  What the hell is going on with this thing?
> >>
> >> https://youtu.be/XVt12FnCSJE
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Did I get the deal of the century? 642 rod knocking magically cured?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

That is what i am thinking.  There is a check engine light so I will see 
what it tells me.


On 6/6/2021 10:09 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Plugged injector? They can be very loud.

On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 10:59 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


So against my better judgement I bought this 2009 ML320 Bluetec today
for $1k.  Guy who owned it said he had the oil changed about 2 years ago
(truck has been sitting since), then left for a 4 hour road trip.  He
says suddenly it starts acting strange and he pulls over and its got a
loud knock.  He says he checked the oil and the dipstick was dry, never
got a low oil level warning.  He says he put oil in it then had it towed
home.  I show up today, throw a battery in it and it fires right up but
sounds like a rod is about the go shooting out the side of the block.  I
load it up and bring it home.  When I get home,  I made this video while
on the trailer, then after unloading it.  Just watch the video and you
will see what I mean.  What the hell is going on with this thing?

https://youtu.be/XVt12FnCSJE


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Re: [MBZ] Did I get the deal of the century? 642 rod knocking magically cured?

[Frederick Moir via Mercedes]

Plugged injector? They can be very loud.

On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 10:59 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So against my better judgement I bought this 2009 ML320 Bluetec today
> for $1k.  Guy who owned it said he had the oil changed about 2 years ago
> (truck has been sitting since), then left for a 4 hour road trip.  He
> says suddenly it starts acting strange and he pulls over and its got a
> loud knock.  He says he checked the oil and the dipstick was dry, never
> got a low oil level warning.  He says he put oil in it then had it towed
> home.  I show up today, throw a battery in it and it fires right up but
> sounds like a rod is about the go shooting out the side of the block.  I
> load it up and bring it home.  When I get home,  I made this video while
> on the trailer, then after unloading it.  Just watch the video and you
> will see what I mean.  What the hell is going on with this thing?
>
> https://youtu.be/XVt12FnCSJE
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2021-06-06 19:55, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

Personally, I consider hot running water to be the panicle of
technology that matters.
I'm re-doing a small cabin on a pond and I plan to route the water
lines such them I can gravity-drain them for winter.


I remember a cheap potable grade solar heater from about 40 years ago, I 
think I saw it in Popular Science.
Basically, paint a big square piece of plywood black, and strap a coil 
of black poly pipe to it.
I weather like we're seeing in Michigan these days, it'd get scalding 
hot in an hour or two.


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[MBZ] Did I get the deal of the century? 642 rod knocking magically cured?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

So against my better judgement I bought this 2009 ML320 Bluetec today 
for $1k.  Guy who owned it said he had the oil changed about 2 years ago 
(truck has been sitting since), then left for a 4 hour road trip.  He 
says suddenly it starts acting strange and he pulls over and its got a 
loud knock.  He says he checked the oil and the dipstick was dry, never 
got a low oil level warning.  He says he put oil in it then had it towed 
home.  I show up today, throw a battery in it and it fires right up but 
sounds like a rod is about the go shooting out the side of the block.  I 
load it up and bring it home.  When I get home,  I made this video while 
on the trailer, then after unloading it.  Just watch the video and you 
will see what I mean.  What the hell is going on with this thing?


https://youtu.be/XVt12FnCSJE


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Re: [MBZ] Was running before we lost the key. 2008 ML350 - $1,200

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2021-06-06 20:27, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/chicago-08-benz-ml350-for-parts/7332830859.html


Ate a balance shaft but was still staggering when parked.
Been parked so long we don't remember where the key is.

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Re: [MBZ] Diff fluid filler

[Clay via Mercedes]

Yes!

Very handy way to get 90 weight into the diff.  It took a bit of adjustment to 
make it fit and work well while under the car, but once I sorted that out, all 
good.  Made a clean and swift job on three cars.

Clay


inter urinas et faeces nascimur

> On Jun 6, 2021, at 11:31 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anyone have this? Any good?
> 
> https://www.harborfreight.com/gear-oil-and-fluid-pump-61746.html
> 
> Allan

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[MBZ] Was running before we lost the key. 2008 ML350 - $1,200

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/chicago-08-benz-ml350-for-parts/7332830859.html

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Some years ago my hot water heater failed. I took cold showers spring through 
fall. I eventually replaced it when my family members complained!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2021, at 7:56 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Personally, I consider hot running water to be the panicle of technology 
> that matters.
> I'm re-doing a small cabin on a pond and I plan to route the water lines such 
> them I can gravity-drain them for winter.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, June 6, 2021 1:40 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Curt Raymond 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater
> 
> The weather station in my camp says the low temp for last year was -33.5F and 
> it was a mild winter. I can't imagine living in that old house with almost 
> zero insulation in the kitchen: https://photos.app.goo.gl/SJhtWSRmthvz8ix16 
> that's an exterior wall, less than an inch of wood between the inside and the 
> outside.Then having no hot water. It boggles my mind.
> -Curt
> 
>On Sunday, June 6, 2021, 1:37:21 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Only snowflakes need hot water. Be a real man!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2021, at 1:31 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  Going back and looking at the rebate again yours is the exact model I'm 
>> supposed to buy.
>> Also I was wrong about how long I had to do it, I thought the rebate ran 
>> until the end of July, its actually the end of June. Might have to make a 
>> quick unscheduled trip up north.
>> One thing that concerns me is that it appears the rebate program might run 
>> out of money. I've contacted them to see if there is money left...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>>   On Sunday, June 6, 2021, 1:15:34 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:  
>> 
>> Mine does as well. Functionally, they’re no doubt very similar.
>> 
>> https://www.lowes.com/pd/A-O-Smith-Signature-Premier-50-Gallon-Tall-10-year-Limited-4500-Watt-Double-Element-Electric-Water-Heater-with-Hybrid-Heat-Pump/1000213655
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>>> 
>>> At least for now it'll be a summer house only so I don't forsee any 
>>> problem. At -33F (last winter's coldest temp) it might have an issue but 
>>> there is a basement wood stove we could potentially fire up if we decided 
>>> to live there full time. It was 50F in the basement last week when it was 
>>> 60F upstairs.
>>> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Rheem-Performance-Platinum-40-Gal-10-Year-Hybrid-High-Efficiency-Smart-Tank-Electric-Water-Heater-XE40T10H45U0/312742067
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The one I was looking at has pretty fantastic reviews...
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
 On Sunday, June 6, 2021, 12:37:16 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I would research this heavily, as one of the things I saw when I was 
>>> looking into them was complaints from people in northern climes who 
>>> mistakenly installed these in unheated areas of the house that ultimately 
>>> discovered they were horribly inefficient if the ambient air temps dropped 
>>> below a certain point. They have heating elements like a conventional 
>>> heater, too, which kick in if it can’t get enough heat out of the heat pump 
>>> section.
>>> 
>>> You can look at the various review sites as well as reviews for them on 
>>> Lowe’s and Home Despot’s web sites for more information.
>>> 
>>> They do a great job with decent ambient air temperature. Understand that 
>>> both of mine have been in the garage, where today it’s easily 90+ if not 
>>> more. My hot water costs dropped easily in half when I changed from a 
>>> conventional water heater to a hybrid one in my last house. I’ve got one in 
>>> my “new” house, too. With your rebate that’s a heck of a deal.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
> On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
 
 So one great story I got out of the trip up north. About 30 years ago 
 Caldon thought that the electric water heater was "too expensive" to run 
 so he shut it off.
 Yeah, think about that one for a second, he lived for 30 years with no hot 
 water. "If I wanted hot water I put a pan on the stove." he told me.
 He also didn't drain it for all that time, they did drain it last winter 
 thankfully. When I turned on the water what came out of the water heater 
 looked like cafe latte...
 Anyway our eventual plan was to replace the electric stove and oil furnace 
 with propane and probably to do on-demand propane hot water too. That's 
 3-5 years into the future 

Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Personally, I consider hot running water to be the panicle of technology that 
matters.
I'm re-doing a small cabin on a pond and I plan to route the water lines such 
them I can gravity-drain them for winter.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, June 6, 2021 1:40 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Curt Raymond 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater

 The weather station in my camp says the low temp for last year was -33.5F and 
it was a mild winter. I can't imagine living in that old house with almost zero 
insulation in the kitchen: https://photos.app.goo.gl/SJhtWSRmthvz8ix16 that's 
an exterior wall, less than an inch of wood between the inside and the 
outside.Then having no hot water. It boggles my mind.
-Curt

On Sunday, June 6, 2021, 1:37:21 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Only snowflakes need hot water. Be a real man!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2021, at 1:31 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>  Going back and looking at the rebate again yours is the exact model I'm 
> supposed to buy.
> Also I was wrong about how long I had to do it, I thought the rebate ran 
> until the end of July, its actually the end of June. Might have to make a 
> quick unscheduled trip up north.
> One thing that concerns me is that it appears the rebate program might run 
> out of money. I've contacted them to see if there is money left...
> 
> -Curt
> 
>On Sunday, June 6, 2021, 1:15:34 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Mine does as well. Functionally, they’re no doubt very similar.
> 
> https://www.lowes.com/pd/A-O-Smith-Signature-Premier-50-Gallon-Tall-10-year-Limited-4500-Watt-Double-Element-Electric-Water-Heater-with-Hybrid-Heat-Pump/1000213655
>  
> 
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> 
>> At least for now it'll be a summer house only so I don't forsee any problem. 
>> At -33F (last winter's coldest temp) it might have an issue but there is a 
>> basement wood stove we could potentially fire up if we decided to live there 
>> full time. It was 50F in the basement last week when it was 60F upstairs.
>> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Rheem-Performance-Platinum-40-Gal-10-Year-Hybrid-High-Efficiency-Smart-Tank-Electric-Water-Heater-XE40T10H45U0/312742067
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> The one I was looking at has pretty fantastic reviews...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Sunday, June 6, 2021, 12:37:16 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I would research this heavily, as one of the things I saw when I was looking 
>> into them was complaints from people in northern climes who mistakenly 
>> installed these in unheated areas of the house that ultimately discovered 
>> they were horribly inefficient if the ambient air temps dropped below a 
>> certain point. They have heating elements like a conventional heater, too, 
>> which kick in if it can’t get enough heat out of the heat pump section.
>> 
>> You can look at the various review sites as well as reviews for them on 
>> Lowe’s and Home Despot’s web sites for more information.
>> 
>> They do a great job with decent ambient air temperature. Understand that 
>> both of mine have been in the garage, where today it’s easily 90+ if not 
>> more. My hot water costs dropped easily in half when I changed from a 
>> conventional water heater to a hybrid one in my last house. I’ve got one in 
>> my “new” house, too. With your rebate that’s a heck of a deal.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So one great story I got out of the trip up north. About 30 years ago 
>>> Caldon thought that the electric water heater was "too expensive" to run so 
>>> he shut it off.
>>> Yeah, think about that one for a second, he lived for 30 years with no hot 
>>> water. "If I wanted hot water I put a pan on the stove." he told me.
>>> He also didn't drain it for all that time, they did drain it last winter 
>>> thankfully. When I turned on the water what came out of the water heater 
>>> looked like cafe latte...
>>> Anyway our eventual plan was to replace the electric stove and oil furnace 
>>> with propane and probably to do on-demand propane hot water too. That's 3-5 
>>> years into the future though so I was planning to replace the old hot water 
>>> heater with a shorty one. Then I priced hot water heaters. Turns out the 
>>> little ones are MORE expensive.I also discovered that Maine has a $750 
>>> rebate on a hybrid hot water heater. It seems to me like that is a perfect 
>>> solution for a summer house. Home Depot lists a 40 gallon Rheem with a 10 
>>> 

[MBZ] WhaChoo Gettin Now?

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

What did you pick up in Arkansas?

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Inefficient because in low ambient situations they fall back onto resistive 
heating elements and are no more efficient than a “regular” resistive element 
heater.

-D

> On Jun 6, 2021, at 4:45 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2021-06-06 12:36, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I would research this heavily, as one of the things I saw when I was
>> looking into them was complaints from people in northern climes who
>> mistakenly installed these in unheated areas of the house that
>> ultimately discovered they were horribly inefficient if the ambient
>> air temps dropped below a certain point.
> 
> Inefficient or ineffective? I can't imagine them ever being less efficient 
> than a plain electric water heater.
> One might think that they would turn into electric water heaters if the 
> basement got too cold, and produce little heat just above the switchover 
> point.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2021-06-06 12:36, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I would research this heavily, as one of the things I saw when I was
looking into them was complaints from people in northern climes who
mistakenly installed these in unheated areas of the house that
ultimately discovered they were horribly inefficient if the ambient
air temps dropped below a certain point.


Inefficient or ineffective? I can't imagine them ever being less 
efficient than a plain electric water heater.
One might think that they would turn into electric water heaters if the 
basement got too cold, and produce little heat just above the switchover 
point.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater

[OK Don via Mercedes]

OK - they are a bit pricey, like everything near an airplane.
https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/switchbox08-15733.php?clickkey=1210647

On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 3:26 PM OK Don  wrote:

> There are cell phone controlled switches for turning on aircraft engine
> heaters remotely in the winter. You could use one of those to power a DPST
> latching relay that could turn the water heater on and off as needed.
>
> On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 3:16 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Interestingly, I did some research only to find out that the industry has
>> established a standard (CTA-2045) for the connectivity of water heaters,
>> boilers, etc., but initial research shows that control of such devices
>> doesn’t suggest that the investment is worth the effort. I found a bunch of
>> presentations and papers on it from a couple of utilities who did studies
>> using it a few years ago, and the outcomes weren’t that great.
>>
>> A.O. Smith had a deal with Lowe’s starting back in 2014 with a platform
>> called “Iris” for connectivity to such devices, and it’s dead. There’s a
>> third party that’s running with the CTA-2045 specification who has an app
>> available but there doesn’t seem to be many manufacturers on board with it.
>> You can drop $220 to get a communications module and interface, but there’s
>> not a lot of documentation on what exactly you can do with it.
>>
>> I’m not a big believer in IOT devices mainly because their security often
>> stinks. I’ve used them from time to time, but I wouldn’t go to a lot of
>> effort to deploy any on my home environment.
>>
>> -D
>>
>> > On Jun 6, 2021, at 4:07 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:
>> >
>> >> Is yours "smart"? I'm wondering if I could turn ours off when we're
>> >> not there and then tell it to heat water via the app a day or so in
>> >> advance of our arrival.
>> >
>> > Honestly that seems like needless complexity for something rarely if
>> > ever needed. How often do you need hot water immediately after arriving?
>> > It should not take more than a few hours to get up to temp if you switch
>> > it on when you arrive. Of course, I'm opposed to most "smart" devices by
>> > default so take that into account.
>> >
>> > Allan
>> >
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>
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> Von Braun
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater

[OK Don via Mercedes]

There are cell phone controlled switches for turning on aircraft engine
heaters remotely in the winter. You could use one of those to power a DPST
latching relay that could turn the water heater on and off as needed.

On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 3:16 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Interestingly, I did some research only to find out that the industry has
> established a standard (CTA-2045) for the connectivity of water heaters,
> boilers, etc., but initial research shows that control of such devices
> doesn’t suggest that the investment is worth the effort. I found a bunch of
> presentations and papers on it from a couple of utilities who did studies
> using it a few years ago, and the outcomes weren’t that great.
>
> A.O. Smith had a deal with Lowe’s starting back in 2014 with a platform
> called “Iris” for connectivity to such devices, and it’s dead. There’s a
> third party that’s running with the CTA-2045 specification who has an app
> available but there doesn’t seem to be many manufacturers on board with it.
> You can drop $220 to get a communications module and interface, but there’s
> not a lot of documentation on what exactly you can do with it.
>
> I’m not a big believer in IOT devices mainly because their security often
> stinks. I’ve used them from time to time, but I wouldn’t go to a lot of
> effort to deploy any on my home environment.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jun 6, 2021, at 4:07 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:
> >
> >> Is yours "smart"? I'm wondering if I could turn ours off when we're
> >> not there and then tell it to heat water via the app a day or so in
> >> advance of our arrival.
> >
> > Honestly that seems like needless complexity for something rarely if
> > ever needed. How often do you need hot water immediately after arriving?
> > It should not take more than a few hours to get up to temp if you switch
> > it on when you arrive. Of course, I'm opposed to most "smart" devices by
> > default so take that into account.
> >
> > Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Years ago my parents agreed to have the elecrical utility install a
device on their outdoor AC compressor unit, so that the utility could
remotely cut the power during high-demand times.

I never noticed it having any effect, so either a) it didn't work; b) it
was never activated; or c) it was utilized but really didn't have a
noticable effect, as they promised.

Regardless, they did get a monthly credit on their electric bill for
having it.

Allan

Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> Interestingly, I did some research only to find out that the industry has 
> established a standard (CTA-2045) for the connectivity of water heaters, 
> boilers, etc., but initial research shows that control of such devices 
> doesn’t suggest that the investment is worth the effort. I found a bunch of 
> presentations and papers on it from a couple of utilities who did studies 
> using it a few years ago, and the outcomes weren’t that great.
>
> A.O. Smith had a deal with Lowe’s starting back in 2014 with a platform 
> called “Iris” for connectivity to such devices, and it’s dead. There’s a 
> third party that’s running with the CTA-2045 specification who has an app 
> available but there doesn’t seem to be many manufacturers on board with it. 
> You can drop $220 to get a communications module and interface, but there’s 
> not a lot of documentation on what exactly you can do with it.
>
> I’m not a big believer in IOT devices mainly because their security often 
> stinks. I’ve used them from time to time, but I wouldn’t go to a lot of 
> effort to deploy any on my home environment.
>
> -D
>
>> On Jun 6, 2021, at 4:07 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> Is yours "smart"? I'm wondering if I could turn ours off when we're
>>> not there and then tell it to heat water via the app a day or so in
>>> advance of our arrival.
>> 
>> Honestly that seems like needless complexity for something rarely if
>> ever needed. How often do you need hot water immediately after arriving?
>> It should not take more than a few hours to get up to temp if you switch
>> it on when you arrive. Of course, I'm opposed to most "smart" devices by
>> default so take that into account.
>> 
>> Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Interestingly, I did some research only to find out that the industry has 
established a standard (CTA-2045) for the connectivity of water heaters, 
boilers, etc., but initial research shows that control of such devices doesn’t 
suggest that the investment is worth the effort. I found a bunch of 
presentations and papers on it from a couple of utilities who did studies using 
it a few years ago, and the outcomes weren’t that great.

A.O. Smith had a deal with Lowe’s starting back in 2014 with a platform called 
“Iris” for connectivity to such devices, and it’s dead. There’s a third party 
that’s running with the CTA-2045 specification who has an app available but 
there doesn’t seem to be many manufacturers on board with it. You can drop $220 
to get a communications module and interface, but there’s not a lot of 
documentation on what exactly you can do with it.

I’m not a big believer in IOT devices mainly because their security often 
stinks. I’ve used them from time to time, but I wouldn’t go to a lot of effort 
to deploy any on my home environment.

-D

> On Jun 6, 2021, at 4:07 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Is yours "smart"? I'm wondering if I could turn ours off when we're
>> not there and then tell it to heat water via the app a day or so in
>> advance of our arrival.
> 
> Honestly that seems like needless complexity for something rarely if
> ever needed. How often do you need hot water immediately after arriving?
> It should not take more than a few hours to get up to temp if you switch
> it on when you arrive. Of course, I'm opposed to most "smart" devices by
> default so take that into account.
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater

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Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:

> Is yours "smart"? I'm wondering if I could turn ours off when we're
> not there and then tell it to heat water via the app a day or so in
> advance of our arrival.

Honestly that seems like needless complexity for something rarely if
ever needed. How often do you need hot water immediately after arriving?
It should not take more than a few hours to get up to temp if you switch
it on when you arrive. Of course, I'm opposed to most "smart" devices by
default so take that into account.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] The most random assortment of photos I've seen on a CL ad.

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

WTF. At least it’s CLEAN

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> On Jun 6, 2021, at 2:20 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Diff fluid filler

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I have one similar to it that I bought from Advance Auto. It’s really great for 
filling differentials as you can screw it on the top of the bottle and just 
pump away. Takes a bot of time, but does the job well and with minimal mess.

I used to use one of those oil “sucker” things to do it and it was always a 
mess. This method is far superior.

-D

> On Jun 6, 2021, at 3:31 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Anyone have this? Any good?
> 
> https://www.harborfreight.com/gear-oil-and-fluid-pump-61746.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Diff fluid filler

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I have one similar, I think I ordered it from Advance Auto when I got some diff 
fluid. With the discount it was about the same price

--R
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> On Jun 6, 2021, at 3:32 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Anyone have this? Any good?
> 
> https://www.harborfreight.com/gear-oil-and-fluid-pump-61746.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Mine isn’t “smart” in that it’s an IOT device, no. It does have a socket for 
some sort of module for a utility to “talk” to it to make it shut off or turn 
it down, however. I never investigated those functions as my utility doesn’t 
offer them. Maybe if one got one of the modules you could do that, I don’t know.

Mine does have “vacation” settings that you can do though the front panel. It 
will also come out of certain settings after a predetermined time as well, but 
I don’t recall the details. I would have to go back and read through the 
documentation.

-D

> On Jun 6, 2021, at 3:05 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> A sort of dehumidifier too right?
> 
> Is yours "smart"? I'm wondering if I could turn ours off when we're not there 
> and then tell it to heat water via the app a day or so in advance of our 
> arrival.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Sunday, June 6, 2021, 2:14:34 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> And just to clarify, it’s a little heat pump that just sits on top of the 
> tank, hence the height that these units have. That and it dups cold air as a 
> product of the operation, so in climates like mine, it acts as a sort of air 
> conditioner in my garage.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Jun 6, 2021, at 2:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  > > wrote:
> > 
> > A hybrid water heater uses a heat pump, just like you would have on a 
> > house, to extract heat from the surrounding atmosphere and use it to heat 
> > the water. Very efficient compared to a resistive heating element.
> > 
> > My hybrid water heater costs about $150-$200/year to operate, if that. 
> > Compare that to a similarly sized heater with resistive elements that will 
> > cost 2x-3x that.
> > 
> > -D
> > 
> >> On Jun 6, 2021, at 2:03 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
> >> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Curt Raymond via Mercedes  >> > writes:
> >> 
> >>> I also discovered that Maine has a $750 rebate on a hybrid hot water 
> >>> heater.
> >> 
> >> What is a "hybrid" water heater? Gas and electric? Solar and something
> >> else?
> >> 
> >> Allan
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[MBZ] Diff fluid filler

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Anyone have this? Any good?

https://www.harborfreight.com/gear-oil-and-fluid-pump-61746.html

Allan


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[MBZ] OT: Pressure washer

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Another "exciting" story from our trip. I hauled home Dad's pressure washer 
yesterday. Its a Troy Bilt 2700psi with a 175cc Briggs "Commercial" engine on 
it.
As with everything that sits in my dad's shed I had to evict a mouse nest. Then 
put new o-rings in the sprayer part. Amazingly my Harbor Freight o-ring set had 
some to fit. Also amazingly a generic hose washer with some sil-glide brake 
lube sealed nicely, no leaks on either side.
The engine obviously wasn't stored well, no fuel flow at all. I had to take the 
gas line off and blow carb cleaner through the inlet. The needle was covered in 
a tar like substance. I didn't know gas in anything could smell worse than from 
an old snowmobile. I don't remember when he got the sprayer but I don't think 
dad has ever run it, so its probably sat 5 years or more.
The dang thing is so safety-ficated it's terrible to work on, plastic covers 
over the carb, no choke control "it's automatic!", no fuel shut off... I got it 
so it'll pop if I squirt some carb cleaner into it but it won't stay going. Of 
course you have to have water in the pump all the time which is a PITA. 
Tomorrow I'll see if I can come up with a fuel shut off so I don't have to lose 
all the gas every time I do anything. I think it's not flowing gas into the 
carb again.
Oh well, ideally I'll get it going and use it to take the paint off the house 
before we paint it in July. Its got a variety of nozzles from "delicate" for 
things you don't want to ruin to "sandblaster" for things you do...

-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 A sort of dehumidifier too right?
Is yours "smart"? I'm wondering if I could turn ours off when we're not there 
and then tell it to heat water via the app a day or so in advance of our 
arrival.
-Curt

On Sunday, June 6, 2021, 2:14:34 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 And just to clarify, it’s a little heat pump that just sits on top of the 
tank, hence the height that these units have. That and it dups cold air as a 
product of the operation, so in climates like mine, it acts as a sort of air 
conditioner in my garage.

-D

> On Jun 6, 2021, at 2:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> A hybrid water heater uses a heat pump, just like you would have on a house, 
> to extract heat from the surrounding atmosphere and use it to heat the water. 
> Very efficient compared to a resistive heating element.
> 
> My hybrid water heater costs about $150-$200/year to operate, if that. 
> Compare that to a similarly sized heater with resistive elements that will 
> cost 2x-3x that.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2021, at 2:03 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> I also discovered that Maine has a $750 rebate on a hybrid hot water heater.
>> 
>> What is a "hybrid" water heater? Gas and electric? Solar and something
>> else?
>> 
>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] The most random assortment of photos I've seen on a CL ad.

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The photographic collage is Justified because this is a moving work of art.

On Sun, Jun 6, 2021, 2:20 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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>
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/d/plainfield-clean/7332674262.html
>
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[MBZ] The most random assortment of photos I've seen on a CL ad.

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/d/plainfield-clean/7332674262.html

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

And just to clarify, it’s a little heat pump that just sits on top of the tank, 
hence the height that these units have. That and it dups cold air as a product 
of the operation, so in climates like mine, it acts as a sort of air 
conditioner in my garage.

-D

> On Jun 6, 2021, at 2:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> A hybrid water heater uses a heat pump, just like you would have on a house, 
> to extract heat from the surrounding atmosphere and use it to heat the water. 
> Very efficient compared to a resistive heating element.
> 
> My hybrid water heater costs about $150-$200/year to operate, if that. 
> Compare that to a similarly sized heater with resistive elements that will 
> cost 2x-3x that.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2021, at 2:03 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> I also discovered that Maine has a $750 rebate on a hybrid hot water heater.
>> 
>> What is a "hybrid" water heater? Gas and electric? Solar and something
>> else?
>> 
>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

A hybrid water heater uses a heat pump, just like you would have on a house, to 
extract heat from the surrounding atmosphere and use it to heat the water. Very 
efficient compared to a resistive heating element.

My hybrid water heater costs about $150-$200/year to operate, if that. Compare 
that to a similarly sized heater with resistive elements that will cost 2x-3x 
that.

-D

> On Jun 6, 2021, at 2:03 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> I also discovered that Maine has a $750 rebate on a hybrid hot water heater.
> 
> What is a "hybrid" water heater? Gas and electric? Solar and something
> else?
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater

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Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:

> I also discovered that Maine has a $750 rebate on a hybrid hot water heater.

What is a "hybrid" water heater? Gas and electric? Solar and something
else?

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Looking for an ML?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

It's Sh!tcago. Nothing but rust.
At least $1k too high.


Rick

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yeah that isn't a bad deal if there is no rust

--FT

On 6/6/21 8:16 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> A pretty color with a leather interior. Someone should grab this.
>
> On Sun, Jun 6, 2021, 12:04 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> 2000, 133k miles, original owner, $2,950
>>
>>
>> https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/d/forest-park-2000-mercedes-benz-ml-class/7332452493.html
>>
>> Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 The weather station in my camp says the low temp for last year was -33.5F and 
it was a mild winter. I can't imagine living in that old house with almost zero 
insulation in the kitchen: https://photos.app.goo.gl/SJhtWSRmthvz8ix16 that's 
an exterior wall, less than an inch of wood between the inside and the 
outside.Then having no hot water. It boggles my mind.
-Curt

On Sunday, June 6, 2021, 1:37:21 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Only snowflakes need hot water. Be a real man!

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> On Jun 6, 2021, at 1:31 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>  Going back and looking at the rebate again yours is the exact model I'm 
> supposed to buy.
> Also I was wrong about how long I had to do it, I thought the rebate ran 
> until the end of July, its actually the end of June. Might have to make a 
> quick unscheduled trip up north.
> One thing that concerns me is that it appears the rebate program might run 
> out of money. I've contacted them to see if there is money left...
> 
> -Curt
> 
>    On Sunday, June 6, 2021, 1:15:34 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> wrote:  
> 
> Mine does as well. Functionally, they’re no doubt very similar.
> 
> https://www.lowes.com/pd/A-O-Smith-Signature-Premier-50-Gallon-Tall-10-year-Limited-4500-Watt-Double-Element-Electric-Water-Heater-with-Hybrid-Heat-Pump/1000213655
>  
> 
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> 
>> At least for now it'll be a summer house only so I don't forsee any problem. 
>> At -33F (last winter's coldest temp) it might have an issue but there is a 
>> basement wood stove we could potentially fire up if we decided to live there 
>> full time. It was 50F in the basement last week when it was 60F upstairs.
>> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Rheem-Performance-Platinum-40-Gal-10-Year-Hybrid-High-Efficiency-Smart-Tank-Electric-Water-Heater-XE40T10H45U0/312742067
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> The one I was looking at has pretty fantastic reviews...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Sunday, June 6, 2021, 12:37:16 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I would research this heavily, as one of the things I saw when I was looking 
>> into them was complaints from people in northern climes who mistakenly 
>> installed these in unheated areas of the house that ultimately discovered 
>> they were horribly inefficient if the ambient air temps dropped below a 
>> certain point. They have heating elements like a conventional heater, too, 
>> which kick in if it can’t get enough heat out of the heat pump section.
>> 
>> You can look at the various review sites as well as reviews for them on 
>> Lowe’s and Home Despot’s web sites for more information.
>> 
>> They do a great job with decent ambient air temperature. Understand that 
>> both of mine have been in the garage, where today it’s easily 90+ if not 
>> more. My hot water costs dropped easily in half when I changed from a 
>> conventional water heater to a hybrid one in my last house. I’ve got one in 
>> my “new” house, too. With your rebate that’s a heck of a deal.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So one great story I got out of the trip up north. About 30 years ago 
>>> Caldon thought that the electric water heater was "too expensive" to run so 
>>> he shut it off.
>>> Yeah, think about that one for a second, he lived for 30 years with no hot 
>>> water. "If I wanted hot water I put a pan on the stove." he told me.
>>> He also didn't drain it for all that time, they did drain it last winter 
>>> thankfully. When I turned on the water what came out of the water heater 
>>> looked like cafe latte...
>>> Anyway our eventual plan was to replace the electric stove and oil furnace 
>>> with propane and probably to do on-demand propane hot water too. That's 3-5 
>>> years into the future though so I was planning to replace the old hot water 
>>> heater with a shorty one. Then I priced hot water heaters. Turns out the 
>>> little ones are MORE expensive.I also discovered that Maine has a $750 
>>> rebate on a hybrid hot water heater. It seems to me like that is a perfect 
>>> solution for a summer house. Home Depot lists a 40 gallon Rheem with a 10 
>>> year warranty for $1200, with the rebate it puts us maybe $100 over what I 
>>> would pay for a conventional hot water heater. It'll be basement mounted, I 
>>> don't see any problems, if it gets too cold I could just put a fire in the 
>>> wood stove, or maybe run a circulation fan from upstairs.
>>> Am I missing something? I know these have been mentioned here before.
>>> -Curt
>>> 

Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Only snowflakes need hot water. Be a real man!

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> On Jun 6, 2021, at 1:31 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>  Going back and looking at the rebate again yours is the exact model I'm 
> supposed to buy.
> Also I was wrong about how long I had to do it, I thought the rebate ran 
> until the end of July, its actually the end of June. Might have to make a 
> quick unscheduled trip up north.
> One thing that concerns me is that it appears the rebate program might run 
> out of money. I've contacted them to see if there is money left...
> 
> -Curt
> 
>On Sunday, June 6, 2021, 1:15:34 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Mine does as well. Functionally, they’re no doubt very similar.
> 
> https://www.lowes.com/pd/A-O-Smith-Signature-Premier-50-Gallon-Tall-10-year-Limited-4500-Watt-Double-Element-Electric-Water-Heater-with-Hybrid-Heat-Pump/1000213655
>  
> 
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> 
>> At least for now it'll be a summer house only so I don't forsee any problem. 
>> At -33F (last winter's coldest temp) it might have an issue but there is a 
>> basement wood stove we could potentially fire up if we decided to live there 
>> full time. It was 50F in the basement last week when it was 60F upstairs.
>> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Rheem-Performance-Platinum-40-Gal-10-Year-Hybrid-High-Efficiency-Smart-Tank-Electric-Water-Heater-XE40T10H45U0/312742067
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> The one I was looking at has pretty fantastic reviews...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Sunday, June 6, 2021, 12:37:16 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I would research this heavily, as one of the things I saw when I was looking 
>> into them was complaints from people in northern climes who mistakenly 
>> installed these in unheated areas of the house that ultimately discovered 
>> they were horribly inefficient if the ambient air temps dropped below a 
>> certain point. They have heating elements like a conventional heater, too, 
>> which kick in if it can’t get enough heat out of the heat pump section.
>> 
>> You can look at the various review sites as well as reviews for them on 
>> Lowe’s and Home Despot’s web sites for more information.
>> 
>> They do a great job with decent ambient air temperature. Understand that 
>> both of mine have been in the garage, where today it’s easily 90+ if not 
>> more. My hot water costs dropped easily in half when I changed from a 
>> conventional water heater to a hybrid one in my last house. I’ve got one in 
>> my “new” house, too. With your rebate that’s a heck of a deal.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So one great story I got out of the trip up north. About 30 years ago 
>>> Caldon thought that the electric water heater was "too expensive" to run so 
>>> he shut it off.
>>> Yeah, think about that one for a second, he lived for 30 years with no hot 
>>> water. "If I wanted hot water I put a pan on the stove." he told me.
>>> He also didn't drain it for all that time, they did drain it last winter 
>>> thankfully. When I turned on the water what came out of the water heater 
>>> looked like cafe latte...
>>> Anyway our eventual plan was to replace the electric stove and oil furnace 
>>> with propane and probably to do on-demand propane hot water too. That's 3-5 
>>> years into the future though so I was planning to replace the old hot water 
>>> heater with a shorty one. Then I priced hot water heaters. Turns out the 
>>> little ones are MORE expensive.I also discovered that Maine has a $750 
>>> rebate on a hybrid hot water heater. It seems to me like that is a perfect 
>>> solution for a summer house. Home Depot lists a 40 gallon Rheem with a 10 
>>> year warranty for $1200, with the rebate it puts us maybe $100 over what I 
>>> would pay for a conventional hot water heater. It'll be basement mounted, I 
>>> don't see any problems, if it gets too cold I could just put a fire in the 
>>> wood stove, or maybe run a circulation fan from upstairs.
>>> Am I missing something? I know these have been mentioned here before.
>>> -Curt
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>>> 
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>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Going back and looking at the rebate again yours is the exact model I'm 
supposed to buy.
Also I was wrong about how long I had to do it, I thought the rebate ran until 
the end of July, its actually the end of June. Might have to make a quick 
unscheduled trip up north.
One thing that concerns me is that it appears the rebate program might run out 
of money. I've contacted them to see if there is money left...

-Curt

On Sunday, June 6, 2021, 1:15:34 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Mine does as well. Functionally, they’re no doubt very similar.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/A-O-Smith-Signature-Premier-50-Gallon-Tall-10-year-Limited-4500-Watt-Double-Element-Electric-Water-Heater-with-Hybrid-Heat-Pump/1000213655
 


-D

> On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> At least for now it'll be a summer house only so I don't forsee any problem. 
> At -33F (last winter's coldest temp) it might have an issue but there is a 
> basement wood stove we could potentially fire up if we decided to live there 
> full time. It was 50F in the basement last week when it was 60F upstairs.
> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Rheem-Performance-Platinum-40-Gal-10-Year-Hybrid-High-Efficiency-Smart-Tank-Electric-Water-Heater-XE40T10H45U0/312742067
>  
> 
> 
> The one I was looking at has pretty fantastic reviews...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Sunday, June 6, 2021, 12:37:16 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I would research this heavily, as one of the things I saw when I was looking 
> into them was complaints from people in northern climes who mistakenly 
> installed these in unheated areas of the house that ultimately discovered 
> they were horribly inefficient if the ambient air temps dropped below a 
> certain point. They have heating elements like a conventional heater, too, 
> which kick in if it can’t get enough heat out of the heat pump section.
> 
> You can look at the various review sites as well as reviews for them on 
> Lowe’s and Home Despot’s web sites for more information.
> 
> They do a great job with decent ambient air temperature. Understand that both 
> of mine have been in the garage, where today it’s easily 90+ if not more. My 
> hot water costs dropped easily in half when I changed from a conventional 
> water heater to a hybrid one in my last house. I’ve got one in my “new” 
> house, too. With your rebate that’s a heck of a deal.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > So one great story I got out of the trip up north. About 30 years ago 
> > Caldon thought that the electric water heater was "too expensive" to run so 
> > he shut it off.
> > Yeah, think about that one for a second, he lived for 30 years with no hot 
> > water. "If I wanted hot water I put a pan on the stove." he told me.
> > He also didn't drain it for all that time, they did drain it last winter 
> > thankfully. When I turned on the water what came out of the water heater 
> > looked like cafe latte...
> > Anyway our eventual plan was to replace the electric stove and oil furnace 
> > with propane and probably to do on-demand propane hot water too. That's 3-5 
> > years into the future though so I was planning to replace the old hot water 
> > heater with a shorty one. Then I priced hot water heaters. Turns out the 
> > little ones are MORE expensive.I also discovered that Maine has a $750 
> > rebate on a hybrid hot water heater. It seems to me like that is a perfect 
> > solution for a summer house. Home Depot lists a 40 gallon Rheem with a 10 
> > year warranty for $1200, with the rebate it puts us maybe $100 over what I 
> > would pay for a conventional hot water heater. It'll be basement mounted, I 
> > don't see any problems, if it gets too cold I could just put a fire in the 
> > wood stove, or maybe run a circulation fan from upstairs.
> > Am I missing something? I know these have been mentioned here before.
> > -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for an ML?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

yeah that isn't a bad deal if there is no rust

--FT

On 6/6/21 8:16 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

A pretty color with a leather interior. Someone should grab this.

On Sun, Jun 6, 2021, 12:04 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


2000, 133k miles, original owner, $2,950


https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/d/forest-park-2000-mercedes-benz-ml-class/7332452493.html

Allan


Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:


I may be going nuts, but I’m seriously considering adding an ML to the

stable or possibly as a replacement of the 98 W210 wagon if I could find a
decent one. 2000 MY or later, a 320 would be preferred but I would go
larger if it was a good deal.

I’ve seen a few in my neighborhood but they’ve had issues, like peeling

clearcoat or poor maintenance. I could go as late as a 2005 most likely.

And what’s with an ML that has 4Matic? Don’t they all have AWD anyway?

What would the benefit of 4Matic be over the standard AWD setup?

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Power steering is whinny F.S 1999 Mercedes E300 TD - $3, 000 (Fairview)

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

How about 2k?

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> On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:23 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> SHINNY AND WHINNY TURB DIESEL
> 
> https://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/d/fairview-fs-1999-mercedes-e300-td/7332381532.html
> 
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[MBZ] Power steering is whinny F.S 1999 Mercedes E300 TD - $3, 000 (Fairview)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

SHINNY AND WHINNY TURB DIESEL

https://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/d/fairview-fs-1999-mercedes-e300-td/7332381532.html

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[MBZ] Plan to sell by July 1, 2021 2003 Mercedes Benz S500 - very rare car - clean title - Anderson, SC - $3, 500 (Anderson)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

It is rare because it has so much rust

https://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/d/anderson-2003-mercedes-benz-s500-very/7332435830.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Mine does as well. Functionally, they’re no doubt very similar.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/A-O-Smith-Signature-Premier-50-Gallon-Tall-10-year-Limited-4500-Watt-Double-Element-Electric-Water-Heater-with-Hybrid-Heat-Pump/1000213655
 


-D

> On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> At least for now it'll be a summer house only so I don't forsee any problem. 
> At -33F (last winter's coldest temp) it might have an issue but there is a 
> basement wood stove we could potentially fire up if we decided to live there 
> full time. It was 50F in the basement last week when it was 60F upstairs.
> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Rheem-Performance-Platinum-40-Gal-10-Year-Hybrid-High-Efficiency-Smart-Tank-Electric-Water-Heater-XE40T10H45U0/312742067
>  
> 
> 
> The one I was looking at has pretty fantastic reviews...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Sunday, June 6, 2021, 12:37:16 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I would research this heavily, as one of the things I saw when I was looking 
> into them was complaints from people in northern climes who mistakenly 
> installed these in unheated areas of the house that ultimately discovered 
> they were horribly inefficient if the ambient air temps dropped below a 
> certain point. They have heating elements like a conventional heater, too, 
> which kick in if it can’t get enough heat out of the heat pump section.
> 
> You can look at the various review sites as well as reviews for them on 
> Lowe’s and Home Despot’s web sites for more information.
> 
> They do a great job with decent ambient air temperature. Understand that both 
> of mine have been in the garage, where today it’s easily 90+ if not more. My 
> hot water costs dropped easily in half when I changed from a conventional 
> water heater to a hybrid one in my last house. I’ve got one in my “new” 
> house, too. With your rebate that’s a heck of a deal.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > So one great story I got out of the trip up north. About 30 years ago 
> > Caldon thought that the electric water heater was "too expensive" to run so 
> > he shut it off.
> > Yeah, think about that one for a second, he lived for 30 years with no hot 
> > water. "If I wanted hot water I put a pan on the stove." he told me.
> > He also didn't drain it for all that time, they did drain it last winter 
> > thankfully. When I turned on the water what came out of the water heater 
> > looked like cafe latte...
> > Anyway our eventual plan was to replace the electric stove and oil furnace 
> > with propane and probably to do on-demand propane hot water too. That's 3-5 
> > years into the future though so I was planning to replace the old hot water 
> > heater with a shorty one. Then I priced hot water heaters. Turns out the 
> > little ones are MORE expensive.I also discovered that Maine has a $750 
> > rebate on a hybrid hot water heater. It seems to me like that is a perfect 
> > solution for a summer house. Home Depot lists a 40 gallon Rheem with a 10 
> > year warranty for $1200, with the rebate it puts us maybe $100 over what I 
> > would pay for a conventional hot water heater. It'll be basement mounted, I 
> > don't see any problems, if it gets too cold I could just put a fire in the 
> > wood stove, or maybe run a circulation fan from upstairs.
> > Am I missing something? I know these have been mentioned here before.
> > -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 At least for now it'll be a summer house only so I don't forsee any problem. 
At -33F (last winter's coldest temp) it might have an issue but there is a 
basement wood stove we could potentially fire up if we decided to live there 
full time. It was 50F in the basement last week when it was 60F 
upstairs.https://www.homedepot.com/p/Rheem-Performance-Platinum-40-Gal-10-Year-Hybrid-High-Efficiency-Smart-Tank-Electric-Water-Heater-XE40T10H45U0/312742067
The one I was looking at has pretty fantastic reviews...
-Curt

On Sunday, June 6, 2021, 12:37:16 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I would research this heavily, as one of the things I saw when I was looking 
into them was complaints from people in northern climes who mistakenly 
installed these in unheated areas of the house that ultimately discovered they 
were horribly inefficient if the ambient air temps dropped below a certain 
point. They have heating elements like a conventional heater, too, which kick 
in if it can’t get enough heat out of the heat pump section.

You can look at the various review sites as well as reviews for them on Lowe’s 
and Home Despot’s web sites for more information.

They do a great job with decent ambient air temperature. Understand that both 
of mine have been in the garage, where today it’s easily 90+ if not more. My 
hot water costs dropped easily in half when I changed from a conventional water 
heater to a hybrid one in my last house. I’ve got one in my “new” house, too. 
With your rebate that’s a heck of a deal.

-D

> On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So one great story I got out of the trip up north. About 30 years ago Caldon 
> thought that the electric water heater was "too expensive" to run so he shut 
> it off.
> Yeah, think about that one for a second, he lived for 30 years with no hot 
> water. "If I wanted hot water I put a pan on the stove." he told me.
> He also didn't drain it for all that time, they did drain it last winter 
> thankfully. When I turned on the water what came out of the water heater 
> looked like cafe latte...
> Anyway our eventual plan was to replace the electric stove and oil furnace 
> with propane and probably to do on-demand propane hot water too. That's 3-5 
> years into the future though so I was planning to replace the old hot water 
> heater with a shorty one. Then I priced hot water heaters. Turns out the 
> little ones are MORE expensive.I also discovered that Maine has a $750 rebate 
> on a hybrid hot water heater. It seems to me like that is a perfect solution 
> for a summer house. Home Depot lists a 40 gallon Rheem with a 10 year 
> warranty for $1200, with the rebate it puts us maybe $100 over what I would 
> pay for a conventional hot water heater. It'll be basement mounted, I don't 
> see any problems, if it gets too cold I could just put a fire in the wood 
> stove, or maybe run a circulation fan from upstairs.
> Am I missing something? I know these have been mentioned here before.
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I would research this heavily, as one of the things I saw when I was looking 
into them was complaints from people in northern climes who mistakenly 
installed these in unheated areas of the house that ultimately discovered they 
were horribly inefficient if the ambient air temps dropped below a certain 
point. They have heating elements like a conventional heater, too, which kick 
in if it can’t get enough heat out of the heat pump section.

You can look at the various review sites as well as reviews for them on Lowe’s 
and Home Despot’s web sites for more information.

They do a great job with decent ambient air temperature. Understand that both 
of mine have been in the garage, where today it’s easily 90+ if not more. My 
hot water costs dropped easily in half when I changed from a conventional water 
heater to a hybrid one in my last house. I’ve got one in my “new” house, too. 
With your rebate that’s a heck of a deal.

-D

> On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So one great story I got out of the trip up north. About 30 years ago Caldon 
> thought that the electric water heater was "too expensive" to run so he shut 
> it off.
> Yeah, think about that one for a second, he lived for 30 years with no hot 
> water. "If I wanted hot water I put a pan on the stove." he told me.
> He also didn't drain it for all that time, they did drain it last winter 
> thankfully. When I turned on the water what came out of the water heater 
> looked like cafe latte...
> Anyway our eventual plan was to replace the electric stove and oil furnace 
> with propane and probably to do on-demand propane hot water too. That's 3-5 
> years into the future though so I was planning to replace the old hot water 
> heater with a shorty one. Then I priced hot water heaters. Turns out the 
> little ones are MORE expensive.I also discovered that Maine has a $750 rebate 
> on a hybrid hot water heater. It seems to me like that is a perfect solution 
> for a summer house. Home Depot lists a 40 gallon Rheem with a 10 year 
> warranty for $1200, with the rebate it puts us maybe $100 over what I would 
> pay for a conventional hot water heater. It'll be basement mounted, I don't 
> see any problems, if it gets too cold I could just put a fire in the wood 
> stove, or maybe run a circulation fan from upstairs.
> Am I missing something? I know these have been mentioned here before.
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Electrical question

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Not a shower at least, there isn't one. There is a tub but no shower head.
Caldon's grandparents moved into the house in 1920. It's an interesting place, 
the original house was built in 1888, you can see the hand hewn timbers in the 
basement. Then at some point before 1920 somebody added on basically doubling 
the house, that section is dimensional lumber but "real" dimension. Again you 
can see the split in the basement. At some point, which I haven't been able to 
determine, somebody put a full basement under the place. It's poured concrete, 
at least 10 feet high, I can't touch the rafters from the floor. Very well 
done, I can't find any cracks in it to speak of.
I don't think it gets wet, while we're not far from the river we're probably 50 
feet above where it is normally and 20 feet above even the most extraordinary 
flood events of the last 100 years. The basement doesn't smell wet, there is a 
bunch of cordwood stored down there (old cedar telephone poles mostly) that are 
all solid and show no signs of rot, there isn't a water line on the wall 
anywhere that I can find...
-Curt

On Sunday, June 6, 2021, 9:43:06 AM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Or maybe they had some rotten kids that would shut off the water on their
old man when he was all lathered up in the shower...
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 9:40 AM Meade Dillon  wrote:

> They might be giants...
>
> Was the switch located up high to keep it out of the spring floods?  Or
> were they trying to save wire, make a short run?  Or was the floor dug out
> to make the room deeper after the switch was installed?
>
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 8:34 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> IIRC I've already told you guys about our plans to rebuild the house up
>> north. We just returned from a 2 week trip up there. On this trip I wanted
>> to spend time evaluating the house and making a plan of attack. One of the
>> things I looked at was the water system.
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/UPi2hLpSjBRTs65U6That's the pump and pressure
>> tank. That pump is at least 40 years old, maybe more:
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/zyNUxCMYGi4eTMnv7
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/6KqRFghXQA2DUe5P9This is the electric that
>> controls the pump, the one that actually runs the pump is the rear one, the
>> front one is the pump for the cistern. The "soft water system" as the
>> previous owner says. That system is all disconnected and hasn't been used
>> in years.
>> It's hard to tell from the picture but the switch is about 8 FEET off the
>> ground. I can just reach it if I stand on the platform the pump is on. You
>> can also see that the switched being used is nestled right in the pipes...
>> Obviously a stupid location.
>> I'd like to move the whole dang thing down about 4 feet and out from the
>> wall about 2 feet which would put it about 2 feet above the pump and maybe
>> a foot in front of it. Do any of you geniuses see a reason I shouldn't? I'm
>> going to eliminate the soft water wiring entirely, we don't need it...
>> The pump works, in the third picture its turned off but I pushed the
>> lever up and the pump started. It built about 55# of pressure and shut off.
>> When the pressure gets down to about 10# it turns back on. We've got
>> another pump so if/when this one fails I can just swap over. It's loud but
>> I can't complain about it otherwise...
>> -Curt
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[MBZ] OT: Water heater

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

So one great story I got out of the trip up north. About 30 years ago Caldon 
thought that the electric water heater was "too expensive" to run so he shut it 
off.
Yeah, think about that one for a second, he lived for 30 years with no hot 
water. "If I wanted hot water I put a pan on the stove." he told me.
He also didn't drain it for all that time, they did drain it last winter 
thankfully. When I turned on the water what came out of the water heater looked 
like cafe latte...
Anyway our eventual plan was to replace the electric stove and oil furnace with 
propane and probably to do on-demand propane hot water too. That's 3-5 years 
into the future though so I was planning to replace the old hot water heater 
with a shorty one. Then I priced hot water heaters. Turns out the little ones 
are MORE expensive.I also discovered that Maine has a $750 rebate on a hybrid 
hot water heater. It seems to me like that is a perfect solution for a summer 
house. Home Depot lists a 40 gallon Rheem with a 10 year warranty for $1200, 
with the rebate it puts us maybe $100 over what I would pay for a conventional 
hot water heater. It'll be basement mounted, I don't see any problems, if it 
gets too cold I could just put a fire in the wood stove, or maybe run a 
circulation fan from upstairs.
Am I missing something? I know these have been mentioned here before.
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Electrical question

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Hmm, good points. I think maybe I'll put a piece of plywood to block the pump 
and piping from the switch and mount it on the opposite side. So 2' higher than 
the pump but with a 2' wide wall between the pump and the switch.
40 years ago is when Caldon moved into the house, he's done basically nothing 
to it in that time. Or rather, he hasn't fixed anything other than putting a 
piece of cracker box over a broken window pane. He did pull all the insulation 
and wall board out of the kitchen...
-Curt

On Sunday, June 6, 2021, 9:41:10 AM EDT, Jim Cathey 
 wrote:  
 
 You don't want anything in the way of working on the plumbing.  2' in front
of the pump, and 2' over it, sounds a bit close.  Also, you don't want the
electrics in the path of any leak that might spring up and spray the area.

Pressure switches should cut out when the pressure gets too low, too.
That way a catastrophic leak will cause it to shut off, likewise if the water
supply dries up.  Combination floor-saver and pump-saver.  Mine has a lever
you have to hold until the pressure builds up some.

That pump looks closer to 60yo to me, than 40.

-- Jim

  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Electrical question

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Or maybe they had some rotten kids that would shut off the water on their
old man when he was all lathered up in the shower...
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 9:40 AM Meade Dillon  wrote:

> They might be giants...
>
> Was the switch located up high to keep it out of the spring floods?  Or
> were they trying to save wire, make a short run?  Or was the floor dug out
> to make the room deeper after the switch was installed?
>
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 8:34 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> IIRC I've already told you guys about our plans to rebuild the house up
>> north. We just returned from a 2 week trip up there. On this trip I wanted
>> to spend time evaluating the house and making a plan of attack. One of the
>> things I looked at was the water system.
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/UPi2hLpSjBRTs65U6That's the pump and pressure
>> tank. That pump is at least 40 years old, maybe more:
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/zyNUxCMYGi4eTMnv7
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/6KqRFghXQA2DUe5P9This is the electric that
>> controls the pump, the one that actually runs the pump is the rear one, the
>> front one is the pump for the cistern. The "soft water system" as the
>> previous owner says. That system is all disconnected and hasn't been used
>> in years.
>> It's hard to tell from the picture but the switch is about 8 FEET off the
>> ground. I can just reach it if I stand on the platform the pump is on. You
>> can also see that the switched being used is nestled right in the pipes...
>> Obviously a stupid location.
>> I'd like to move the whole dang thing down about 4 feet and out from the
>> wall about 2 feet which would put it about 2 feet above the pump and maybe
>> a foot in front of it. Do any of you geniuses see a reason I shouldn't? I'm
>> going to eliminate the soft water wiring entirely, we don't need it...
>> The pump works, in the third picture its turned off but I pushed the
>> lever up and the pump started. It built about 55# of pressure and shut off.
>> When the pressure gets down to about 10# it turns back on. We've got
>> another pump so if/when this one fails I can just swap over. It's loud but
>> I can't complain about it otherwise...
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Electrical question

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

You don't want anything in the way of working on the plumbing.  2' in front
of the pump, and 2' over it, sounds a bit close.  Also, you don't want the
electrics in the path of any leak that might spring up and spray the area.

Pressure switches should cut out when the pressure gets too low, too.
That way a catastrophic leak will cause it to shut off, likewise if the water
supply dries up.  Combination floor-saver and pump-saver.  Mine has a lever
you have to hold until the pressure builds up some.

That pump looks closer to 60yo to me, than 40.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Electrical question

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

 They might be giants...

Was the switch located up high to keep it out of the spring floods?  Or
were they trying to save wire, make a short run?  Or was the floor dug out
to make the room deeper after the switch was installed?


-
Max
Charleston SC


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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> IIRC I've already told you guys about our plans to rebuild the house up
> north. We just returned from a 2 week trip up there. On this trip I wanted
> to spend time evaluating the house and making a plan of attack. One of the
> things I looked at was the water system.
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/UPi2hLpSjBRTs65U6That's the pump and pressure
> tank. That pump is at least 40 years old, maybe more:
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/zyNUxCMYGi4eTMnv7
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/6KqRFghXQA2DUe5P9This is the electric that
> controls the pump, the one that actually runs the pump is the rear one, the
> front one is the pump for the cistern. The "soft water system" as the
> previous owner says. That system is all disconnected and hasn't been used
> in years.
> It's hard to tell from the picture but the switch is about 8 FEET off the
> ground. I can just reach it if I stand on the platform the pump is on. You
> can also see that the switched being used is nestled right in the pipes...
> Obviously a stupid location.
> I'd like to move the whole dang thing down about 4 feet and out from the
> wall about 2 feet which would put it about 2 feet above the pump and maybe
> a foot in front of it. Do any of you geniuses see a reason I shouldn't? I'm
> going to eliminate the soft water wiring entirely, we don't need it...
> The pump works, in the third picture its turned off but I pushed the lever
> up and the pump started. It built about 55# of pressure and shut off. When
> the pressure gets down to about 10# it turns back on. We've got another
> pump so if/when this one fails I can just swap over. It's loud but I can't
> complain about it otherwise...
> -Curt
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[MBZ] Good deal 03E320 needs a new front bumper

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/354979586048300/


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Re: [MBZ] OT AWD and tire wear

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Undiagnosed strut failure on my Jetta caused the fronts to rapidly wear. Now 
that I have replaced them the tire pressure monitoring nanny is unhappy. I 
think this car has the more primitive tire pressure monitoring system where 
it's actually monitoring rotation rate and comparing the wheels, the fronts are 
somewhat larger than the rears so it thinks the rears are down on pressure. 
That's only a guess on my part, the tires are all actually at the same 
pressure. I'm hoping as the fronts wear it'll balance out.
I needed to replace one barely used tire on the pickup due to an unfortunate 
meeting with a curb, I think it has a similar tire pressure monitoring system 
and it was equally upset. After 1000 miles to camp and back it seems to have 
mostly worked it out now though. The light came on a couple times when we first 
left camp but after the tires warmed up it went out and stayed out...
-Curt

On Saturday, June 5, 2021, 10:43:53 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 So I realized today that the tires on the Element had been neglected as
far as regular rotation. As a result, the fronts were significantly more
worn than the rears.

Reading about how the AWD works on that car, it's normally FWD with a
hydraulic clutch that engages the rear wheels when needed.

There are dual pumps in the rear differential. One pump is driven by the
driveshaft from the front, the other by the rear diff. If all the wheels
are turning at the same speed the pressures balance and the rear clutch
is disengaged. If the front wheels are slipping, that pump will turn
faster and create pressure that engages the rear wheels.

So there can be a problem if the front and rear tires are not the same
size. Apparently Honda says they should be within 3/4" circumference. I
measured my tires and the difference is closer to an inch.

Based on this explanation, I moved the unworn tires to the front, and
the worn tires to the rear, as they fronts will then be turning a little
slower than the rears. Hopefully the system will not see this as needing
to engage the rear drive, as it's the opposite of the front wheels
slipping.

I also inflated the rears to 35lbs and the fronts to 30. I have not yet
measured how much of a difference this makes.

I really need to just get two new front tires, but most tire shops will
not sell me two tires for this car. The rears are practically new as far
as wear; they have a lot of tread left. Thinking of just taking the two
front wheels in to the shop and having them mount two of the same tires.

Allan

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[MBZ] OT: Electrical question

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

IIRC I've already told you guys about our plans to rebuild the house up north. 
We just returned from a 2 week trip up there. On this trip I wanted to spend 
time evaluating the house and making a plan of attack. One of the things I 
looked at was the water 
system.https://photos.app.goo.gl/UPi2hLpSjBRTs65U6That's the pump and pressure 
tank. That pump is at least 40 years old, maybe more: 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/zyNUxCMYGi4eTMnv7
https://photos.app.goo.gl/6KqRFghXQA2DUe5P9This is the electric that controls 
the pump, the one that actually runs the pump is the rear one, the front one is 
the pump for the cistern. The "soft water system" as the previous owner says. 
That system is all disconnected and hasn't been used in years.
It's hard to tell from the picture but the switch is about 8 FEET off the 
ground. I can just reach it if I stand on the platform the pump is on. You can 
also see that the switched being used is nestled right in the pipes... 
Obviously a stupid location.
I'd like to move the whole dang thing down about 4 feet and out from the wall 
about 2 feet which would put it about 2 feet above the pump and maybe a foot in 
front of it. Do any of you geniuses see a reason I shouldn't? I'm going to 
eliminate the soft water wiring entirely, we don't need it...
The pump works, in the third picture its turned off but I pushed the lever up 
and the pump started. It built about 55# of pressure and shut off. When the 
pressure gets down to about 10# it turns back on. We've got another pump so 
if/when this one fails I can just swap over. It's loud but I can't complain 
about it otherwise...
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT AWD and tire wear

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Either that or just carry them in as you suggested. I’ve done that on a couple 
of cars with my local tire guys. They don’t seem to care as far as the 
application if you carry in. You just tell them what tires you want and they do 
the rest.

-D

> On Jun 5, 2021, at 11:13 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Order done from TireRack or wherever 
> 
> --FT
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> 
>> On Jun 5, 2021, at 10:43 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I really need to just get two new front tires, but most tire shops will
>> not sell me two tires for this car.
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for an ML?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

A pretty color with a leather interior. Someone should grab this.

On Sun, Jun 6, 2021, 12:04 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 2000, 133k miles, original owner, $2,950
>
>
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/d/forest-park-2000-mercedes-benz-ml-class/7332452493.html
>
> Allan
>
>
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > I may be going nuts, but I’m seriously considering adding an ML to the
> stable or possibly as a replacement of the 98 W210 wagon if I could find a
> decent one. 2000 MY or later, a 320 would be preferred but I would go
> larger if it was a good deal.
> >
> > I’ve seen a few in my neighborhood but they’ve had issues, like peeling
> clearcoat or poor maintenance. I could go as late as a 2005 most likely.
> >
> > And what’s with an ML that has 4Matic? Don’t they all have AWD anyway?
> What would the benefit of 4Matic be over the standard AWD setup?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] B-class electric

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

In the best possible sense of the word.

On Sun, Jun 6, 2021, 8:09 AM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
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> Yes they’re gay as are all electric cars. How about that!
>
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> >
> > Anyone know much about these?
> >
> >
> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/ctd/d/indianapolis-2014-mercedes-benz-class/7329624171.html
> >
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Re: [MBZ] B-class electric

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Yes they’re gay as are all electric cars. How about that!

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> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/ctd/d/indianapolis-2014-mercedes-benz-class/7329624171.html
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