Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Well the good news is it only takes about 30 minutes to get the engine out, and 
another hour or two to split the engine block and see what's going on.

I'm trying to remember what's at the other end of that push rod and I'm drawing 
a blank.

Either the cup at the outer end is bad, or something is loose.  I hope the 
bolts aren't pulling out of the head, been there done that, but about 30 years 
ago.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


Aug 6, 2021 9:29:59 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes :

> Yeah my question of course is why did that happen? Weak or broken valve 
> spring? Over-revving?
> 
> And if I put the pushrod back where it belongs, will it just pop out again?
> 
> Never seen that, though I've only owned one other air-cooled VW before.
> 
> Allan
> 
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 8:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> That would cause some problems…
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hm... inline pics not supported? Here's an attachment.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 8:44 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] New SC HQ

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Looks like a good buy!  Let us know when you close the deal.  Too early to ask 
if I can store a car there?

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


Aug 6, 2021 9:17:25 PM RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes :

> Folks
> 
> I guess this is going to be my new South Carolina Headquarters, HA
> 
> I am apparently buying this building for $45k in Denmark  SC
> 
> https://www.southernrealtyofbarnwellsc.com/-/listing/301852605/400-Cedar-St-Denmark-SC-29042?content_index=300047412=results
> 
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> Actually I have printing press overflow
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[MBZ] 2006 C350 - wrecked - $2,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/louisville-2006-mercedes-c350/7361620425.html

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[MBZ] Vw problem

[RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes]

Folks

The ghia pushrod may be bent? If not a way loose valve adjustment can cause that

Remove the rocker arm assembly, check it all reassemble and readjust the valves

.006 in

Xx r

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Re: [MBZ] W124 wheels done

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Awesome. You are on the verge of a complete restoration of that 300D

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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Re: [MBZ] New SC HQ

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Excellent!  Welcome to SC!  Might need a toad trip to come visit someday 

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Re: [MBZ] W124 wheels done

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I agree, they look really nice. Now you have the agony of the first scratch to 
look forward too

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> They are gorgeous!  Thanks for sharing the name of that color.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
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> > silver got redone. They finally used a BMW paint color which is in my 
> > opinion identical to what Mercedes used on these wheels. The guy gave me a 
> > bunch of ppg color swatches to chose from and BMW titan silber met 2ct 
> > 36570 was the correct match.
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Re: [MBZ] Ghia spare tire

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

No crash damage that I can see. The 165x tire was just too tall. It was wedging 
on the outer diameter more than the sidewalls. I guess I could try deflating it 
some, but the spare is supposed to be overpressurized to run the windshield 
washer (always thought that was a stupid hack on the part of VW).

Allan


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> Folks 
> 
> As an air cooled vw mechanic for many years, quite a few years back, I 
> remember it was not uncommon for a spare to be difficult to insert or remove. 
> Even in the days when the tires were narrow, the front spare tire spot was 
> often damaged from front in crashes and I can remember banging some of them 
> out
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 wheels done

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

They are gorgeous!  Thanks for sharing the name of that color.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


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> So the wheels I got from max which I had refinished in the wrong shade of 
> silver got redone. They finally used a BMW paint color which is in my opinion 
> identical to what Mercedes used on these wheels. The guy gave me a bunch of 
> ppg color swatches to chose from and BMW titan silber met 2ct 36570 was the 
> correct match.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Yeah my question of course is why did that happen? Weak or broken valve spring? 
Over-revving?

And if I put the pushrod back where it belongs, will it just pop out again?

Never seen that, though I've only owned one other air-cooled VW before.

Allan

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> That would cause some problems…
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Aug 6, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hm... inline pics not supported? Here's an attachment.
> > 
> > 
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> >> One problem spotted
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[MBZ] Ghia spare tire

[RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes]

Folks 

As an air cooled vw mechanic for many years, quite a few years back, I remember 
it was not uncommon for a spare to be difficult to insert or remove. Even in 
the days when the tires were narrow, the front spare tire spot was often 
damaged from front in crashes and I can remember banging some of them out

Xx rick

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[MBZ] New SC HQ

[RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes]

Folks

I guess this is going to be my new South Carolina Headquarters, HA

I am apparently buying this building for $45k in Denmark  SC

https://www.southernrealtyofbarnwellsc.com/-/listing/301852605/400-Cedar-St-Denmark-SC-29042?content_index=300047412=results

I think I can store a few cars and some odds and ends in this building …. 
Actually I have printing press overflow

Xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

That would cause some problems…

-D

> On Aug 6, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes

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One problem spotted

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Re: [MBZ] W124 wheels done

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Looks nice!

-D

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So the wheels I got from max which I had refinished in the wrong shade of 
silver got redone. They finally used a BMW paint color which is in my opinion 
identical to what Mercedes used on these wheels. The guy gave me a bunch of ppg 
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Re: [MBZ] Vredestein tires, any good?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Interesting thread, it seems that some owners report that 165R15 tires fit in 
the spare tire well, and some do not. I tried a wheel from my car, which has 
Mastercraft (a budget brand) 165R15 tires currently, and it did not fit. So I 
was assuming I'd need to get 155R15 for the spare and maybe stay with the 
165R15 for the driving tires, or maybe go back to the original 155R15 for those 
as well? Then I could fully rotate all 5 tires. 

Or I guess I could order 4 of the 165R15 tires, check the fit in the spare tire 
well, if it fits order one more, if not order the narrower size.

I didn't see Vredestein mentioned in that thread, unfortunately. I'll post a 
question on their Karmann Ghia forum and see if anyone has experience with them.

Allan

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> I can only say that Michelin XWX, XAS, and other tires of that vintage, 
> including the OE tires on 1970s Mercedes-Benz vehicles, required tubes. It 
> has more to do with the rim design than the tire. I do not remember whether 
> our 1973 VW Beetle used tubes or not, but it seems that the giveaway is 
> bias-ply = tubes, radials, not so much.
> 
> Here's a thread specifically on tires (tyres) for Karmann Ghias:
> 
> https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=386917
> 
> And again, Longstone would have some guidance on the need (or not) for tubes.
> 
> D.
> 
> 
> On 8/5/21, Dan Penoff wrote:
> >
> >Tubes? Since when did VWs use tubes in their tires (tyres)?
> >
> >Just curious?
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Re: [MBZ] Filed 2 roof claims with USAA

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Hmmm - "The check is in the mail!"

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> Adjusted called a little while ago. Started with main house discussing
> deductible and coverage etc. He said if it was more than $5k they pay the
> depreciated value first then when work is done they send a second check for
> the rest of the value. Said same deal with the rental house no mention of
> ACV. This should be interesting.
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[MBZ] Filed 2 roof claims with USAA

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Adjusted called a little while ago. Started with main house discussing 
deductible and coverage etc. He said if it was more than $5k they pay the 
depreciated value first then when work is done they send a second check for the 
rest of the value. Said same deal with the rental house no mention of ACV. This 
should be interesting. 

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Re: [MBZ] Roof Rack Idea Old Benzes

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I have gutter mountroof racksthat work on the 126s, I forget the brand, 
they are pretty well known. Got them ages ago.


But that is a good recycling!

--FT

On 8/6/21 5:26 PM, Jack Crone via Mercedes wrote:

While I was at the junkyard the other day, I realized that there was a
small chance the roof racks that are on work vans would fit on an old benz.
I tested it on the w126 that was there and it did in fact fit so if you
want a roof rack for one cheap it would theoretically work... I thought
yall might get a bit of a kick out of it like my dad and I did.

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Re: [MBZ] Roof replacement and USAA

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I never thought of that. That's a good reason not to have three layers of
shingles.

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> First house I owned was built in the early 20th century. It must have had
> at least 4 layers of shingles; I don't think it had ever had a tear-off.
> The roof deck was boards, not plywood, installed with about 1-inch gaps
> between them.
>
> The house had been re-sided at one point with Aluminum siding. It was a
> bungalow style house with a covered front porch. After we had the roof torn
> off and replaced, there was about a 1-inch gap between the bottom of the
> siding and the top of the porch roof, that was the thickness of shingles
> removed.
>
> The dumpster they ordered for the job turned out to be too small by about
> half, because there were so many layers of old roofing.
>
> Current code I think limits residential roof to 2 layers, one of the
> reasons is so that firefighters can cut through the roof to vent smoke if
> needed.
>
> Allan
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 11:37 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> > > Do they not just put another layer of shingles on anymore?
> >
> > I was told, from family lore, that you could put on a second layer, but
> not a third.
> > When we finally did a full tear-off of the beach cabin roof, there were
> five layers
> > in some spots.
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Re: [MBZ] Vredestein tires, any good?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Touche.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, 1:33 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
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> So you can cheap out and go Dutch with Vredesteins?
>
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> > On Aug 6, 2021, at 12:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Fun fact:  Vredensteins are manufactured in Holland!
> >
> >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 9:26 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I can only say that Michelin XWX, XAS, and other tires of that vintage,
> >> including the OE tires on 1970s Mercedes-Benz vehicles, required tubes.
> It
> >> has more to do with the rim design than the tire. I do not remember
> whether
> >> our 1973 VW Beetle used tubes or not, but it seems that the giveaway is
> >> bias-ply = tubes, radials, not so much.
> >>
> >> Here's a thread specifically on tires (tyres) for Karmann Ghias:
> >>
> >> https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=386917
> >>
> >> And again, Longstone would have some guidance on the need (or not) for
> >> tubes.
> >>
> >> D.
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 8/5/21, Dan Penoff wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Tubes? Since when did VWs use tubes in their tires (tyres)?
> >>>
> >>> Just curious?
> >>>
> >>> -D
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[MBZ] 1981 380SL - 100k miles - $10,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Much maintenance documented -- fixed everything but the odometer!

Nice color, looks clean but needs the original steering wheel put back IMO.

https://lexington.craigslist.org/cto/d/lexington-1981-mercedes-benz-380sl/7361416781.html

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Re: [MBZ] Vredestein tires, any good?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

So you can cheap out and go Dutch with Vredesteins? 

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> On Aug 6, 2021, at 12:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Fun fact:  Vredensteins are manufactured in Holland!
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 9:26 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I can only say that Michelin XWX, XAS, and other tires of that vintage,
>> including the OE tires on 1970s Mercedes-Benz vehicles, required tubes. It
>> has more to do with the rim design than the tire. I do not remember whether
>> our 1973 VW Beetle used tubes or not, but it seems that the giveaway is
>> bias-ply = tubes, radials, not so much.
>> 
>> Here's a thread specifically on tires (tyres) for Karmann Ghias:
>> 
>> https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=386917
>> 
>> And again, Longstone would have some guidance on the need (or not) for
>> tubes.
>> 
>> D.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8/5/21, Dan Penoff wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tubes? Since when did VWs use tubes in their tires (tyres)?
>>> 
>>> Just curious?
>>> 
>>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Roof replacement and USAA

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

First house I owned was built in the early 20th century. It must have had at 
least 4 layers of shingles; I don't think it had ever had a tear-off. The roof 
deck was boards, not plywood, installed with about 1-inch gaps between them.

The house had been re-sided at one point with Aluminum siding. It was a 
bungalow style house with a covered front porch. After we had the roof torn off 
and replaced, there was about a 1-inch gap between the bottom of the siding and 
the top of the porch roof, that was the thickness of shingles removed.

The dumpster they ordered for the job turned out to be too small by about half, 
because there were so many layers of old roofing.

Current code I think limits residential roof to 2 layers, one of the reasons is 
so that firefighters can cut through the roof to vent smoke if needed.

Allan


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> > Do they not just put another layer of shingles on anymore?
> 
> I was told, from family lore, that you could put on a second layer, but not a 
> third.
> When we finally did a full tear-off of the beach cabin roof, there were five 
> layers
> in some spots.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Vredestein tires, any good?

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

I have Vredesteins on several of my cars and like them quite a bit.  I run
tubes in the 13" ponton wheels (1959 219) and tubeless in everything else.

Jaime


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> Yeah mine are tubeless, and the Vredesteins at TireRack don't mention
> tubes. They are just about the same price with free shipping. I would need
> to pay my local tire guys to mount and balance of course.
>
> Allan
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2021, at 8:15 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> > Tubes? Since when did VWs use tubes in their tires (tyres)?
> >
> > Just curious…
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Aug 5, 2021, at 8:05 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Whoops... sorry about that. Properly trimmed/subjected post:
> > >
> > > You might consider Michelin XZX 165SR15 tires. Available from Coker in
> the
> > > US, or likely cheaper from Longstone Tyre in the UK, which ships to
> the US
> > > by FedEx (delivery to me in San Francisco in five days).
> > >
> > >
> https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/classic-car-tyres/volkswagen/karmann-ghia.html
> > >
> > > For example, a set of four Michelin XWX 165 x 15 from Longstone will be
> > > $132ea, not including tubes. Shipping is $84.
> > >
> > > Yes, they are genuine Michelins, not made under license, and not NOS.
> > >
> > > I've had great luck with Longstone and it is the first choice for most
> > > Citroen owners in the US and Canada.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Vredestein tires, any good?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Fun fact:  Vredensteins are manufactured in Holland!

On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 9:26 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I can only say that Michelin XWX, XAS, and other tires of that vintage,
> including the OE tires on 1970s Mercedes-Benz vehicles, required tubes. It
> has more to do with the rim design than the tire. I do not remember whether
> our 1973 VW Beetle used tubes or not, but it seems that the giveaway is
> bias-ply = tubes, radials, not so much.
>
> Here's a thread specifically on tires (tyres) for Karmann Ghias:
>
> https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=386917
>
> And again, Longstone would have some guidance on the need (or not) for
> tubes.
>
> D.
>
>
> On 8/5/21, Dan Penoff wrote:
> >
> >Tubes? Since when did VWs use tubes in their tires (tyres)?
> >
> >Just curious?
> >
> >-D
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Re: [MBZ] Interesting power thingie

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Yeah that would probably work too if the cig socket is not switched

--FT
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> On Aug 6, 2021, at 12:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Aren't those wires also live when using the ODB port to power the system?
> The battery in a trunk you can't open does require something like the ODB
> port, but I wonder if the lighter socket won't do the same thing?
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 11:05 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> True, but this is far more elegant of an approach, especially if you’re
>> changing a battery. You would be wrestling live battery cables around the
>> engine compartment while you’re trying to swap a battery.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2021, at 11:39 AM, OK Don via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just use standard jumper cables from the extra battery to the
>>> battery cables in the car - no need for another device to lose 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 9:36 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 I like this one that has just clips and a voltage display and fuse $11
 
 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000870058429.html
 
 --FT
 
 On 8/6/21 10:14 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> There are some less expensive ones that just use alligator clips for
>> the
 battery connection, too.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2021, at 9:48 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Plugs into OBD port.  Puts some electrons into the system, saw a guy
>> in
 a vid use it to pop the trunk on a W220 with a dead battery, it will
>> also
 maintain all your settings when you disconnect the main battery.  You
>> can
 (maybe) connect to a jump pack or some other 12V source.  I think I am
 going to order one, Bozos or Uncle Xi?
>> 
>> $19 at Bozos's store. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MPY0DNI
>> 
>> $15 at Uncle Xi's store.
 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32809951094.html
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1972 250C - 47k miles - $10,000

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74 was OK but 75-76 are problematic IIRC.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 10:16 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> 1972 isn’t bad, 1974-5 is where it got ugly.
>
> 1972 would just have some vacuum valves in the intake system and the EGR.
> 1974 and later would have cats and pre-cats, possibly.
>
> -D
>
> > On Aug 5, 2021, at 11:07 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Isn't '72 one of the worst years as far as emissions-related
> strangulation of the engines? I'm guessing most people still running cars
> that old just remove all of it these days.
> >
> > Allan
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2021, at 10:30 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> >> It doesn’t look too bad and on a 50yo car it is tolerable
> >>
> >> --FT
> >> Sent from iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Aug 5, 2021, at 10:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm not a big fan of brown, but I must say it shows off this car
> quite well.
> >>>
>  On Thu, Aug 5, 2021, 5:50 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> 
>  Brown over brown. Ugh. Looks pretty clean though, but no interior
> pics.
>  The side window opening is HUGE without the B pillar!
> 
> 
> 
> https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/fisherville-1972-mercedes-benz-250c/7361480373.html
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Re: [MBZ] Interesting power thingie

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Aren't those wires also live when using the ODB port to power the system?
The battery in a trunk you can't open does require something like the ODB
port, but I wonder if the lighter socket won't do the same thing?

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 11:05 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> True, but this is far more elegant of an approach, especially if you’re
> changing a battery. You would be wrestling live battery cables around the
> engine compartment while you’re trying to swap a battery.
>
> -D
>
> > On Aug 6, 2021, at 11:39 AM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Just use standard jumper cables from the extra battery to the
> > battery cables in the car - no need for another device to lose 
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 9:36 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I like this one that has just clips and a voltage display and fuse $11
> >>
> >> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000870058429.html
> >>
> >> --FT
> >>
> >> On 8/6/21 10:14 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> There are some less expensive ones that just use alligator clips for
> the
> >> battery connection, too.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
>  On Aug 6, 2021, at 9:48 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Plugs into OBD port.  Puts some electrons into the system, saw a guy
> in
> >> a vid use it to pop the trunk on a W220 with a dead battery, it will
> also
> >> maintain all your settings when you disconnect the main battery.  You
> can
> >> (maybe) connect to a jump pack or some other 12V source.  I think I am
> >> going to order one, Bozos or Uncle Xi?
> 
>  $19 at Bozos's store. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MPY0DNI
> 
>  $15 at Uncle Xi's store.
> >> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32809951094.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Interesting power thingie

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

The issue this can address is inability to access the battery in the trunk. I 
ordered one from Uncle XI for $11

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> On Aug 6, 2021, at 11:40 AM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Just use standard jumper cables from the extra battery to the
> battery cables in the car - no need for another device to lose 
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 9:36 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I like this one that has just clips and a voltage display and fuse $11
>> 
>> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000870058429.html
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 8/6/21 10:14 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> There are some less expensive ones that just use alligator clips for the
>> battery connection, too.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Aug 6, 2021, at 9:48 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Plugs into OBD port.  Puts some electrons into the system, saw a guy in
>> a vid use it to pop the trunk on a W220 with a dead battery, it will also
>> maintain all your settings when you disconnect the main battery.  You can
>> (maybe) connect to a jump pack or some other 12V source.  I think I am
>> going to order one, Bozos or Uncle Xi?
 
 $19 at Bozos's store. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MPY0DNI
 
 $15 at Uncle Xi's store.
>> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32809951094.html
 
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Re: [MBZ] Interesting power thingie

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True, but this is far more elegant of an approach, especially if you’re 
changing a battery. You would be wrestling live battery cables around the 
engine compartment while you’re trying to swap a battery.

-D

> On Aug 6, 2021, at 11:39 AM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Just use standard jumper cables from the extra battery to the
> battery cables in the car - no need for another device to lose 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 9:36 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I like this one that has just clips and a voltage display and fuse $11
>> 
>> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000870058429.html
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> On 8/6/21 10:14 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> There are some less expensive ones that just use alligator clips for the
>> battery connection, too.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Aug 6, 2021, at 9:48 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Plugs into OBD port.  Puts some electrons into the system, saw a guy in
>> a vid use it to pop the trunk on a W220 with a dead battery, it will also
>> maintain all your settings when you disconnect the main battery.  You can
>> (maybe) connect to a jump pack or some other 12V source.  I think I am
>> going to order one, Bozos or Uncle Xi?
 
 $19 at Bozos's store. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MPY0DNI
 
 $15 at Uncle Xi's store.
>> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32809951094.html
 
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Re: [MBZ] NO LOW BALL YOU WILL BE IGNORED & BLOCKED! 1998 Mercedes Benz CLK320 - $2, 500 (OBO)

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Looks nasty.  Seller needs to be blocked.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 9:40 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> Teal?  with some warts LOW BALL at $1500
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Roof replacement and USAA

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> Was there a gap between the roof and the tin? I wonder if that would let it 
> resonate and make it loud.

Wings were pole construction.  1x4 decking, at about 50% coverage.  (Easily see 
lots of metal from below.)
All wood sourced from on-farm, IIRC.  Extremely 'live', acoustically.

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Re: [MBZ] Interesting power thingie

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Just use standard jumper cables from the extra battery to the
battery cables in the car - no need for another device to lose 

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 9:36 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> I like this one that has just clips and a voltage display and fuse $11
>
> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000870058429.html
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> On 8/6/21 10:14 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> > There are some less expensive ones that just use alligator clips for the
> battery connection, too.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Aug 6, 2021, at 9:48 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> >>
> >> Plugs into OBD port.  Puts some electrons into the system, saw a guy in
> a vid use it to pop the trunk on a W220 with a dead battery, it will also
> maintain all your settings when you disconnect the main battery.  You can
> (maybe) connect to a jump pack or some other 12V source.  I think I am
> going to order one, Bozos or Uncle Xi?
> >>
> >> $19 at Bozos's store. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MPY0DNI
> >>
> >> $15 at Uncle Xi's store.
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Re: [MBZ] Roof replacement and USAA

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> Do they not just put another layer of shingles on anymore?

I was told, from family lore, that you could put on a second layer, but not a 
third.
When we finally did a full tear-off of the beach cabin roof, there were five 
layers
in some spots.

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Re: [MBZ] Interesting power thingie

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I like this one that has just clips and a voltage display and fuse $11

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000870058429.html

--FT

On 8/6/21 10:14 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

There are some less expensive ones that just use alligator clips for the 
battery connection, too.

-D


On Aug 6, 2021, at 9:48 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

Plugs into OBD port.  Puts some electrons into the system, saw a guy in a vid 
use it to pop the trunk on a W220 with a dead battery, it will also maintain 
all your settings when you disconnect the main battery.  You can (maybe) 
connect to a jump pack or some other 12V source.  I think I am going to order 
one, Bozos or Uncle Xi?

$19 at Bozos's store. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MPY0DNI

$15 at Uncle Xi's store. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32809951094.html

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Re: [MBZ] 1972 250C - 47k miles - $10,000

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1972 isn’t bad, 1974-5 is where it got ugly.

1972 would just have some vacuum valves in the intake system and the EGR. 1974 
and later would have cats and pre-cats, possibly.

-D

> On Aug 5, 2021, at 11:07 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> 
> Isn't '72 one of the worst years as far as emissions-related strangulation of 
> the engines? I'm guessing most people still running cars that old just remove 
> all of it these days.
> 
> Allan
> 
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2021, at 10:30 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> It doesn’t look too bad and on a 50yo car it is tolerable 
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 5, 2021, at 10:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm not a big fan of brown, but I must say it shows off this car quite 
>>> well.
>>> 
 On Thu, Aug 5, 2021, 5:50 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Brown over brown. Ugh. Looks pretty clean though, but no interior pics.
 The side window opening is HUGE without the B pillar!
 
 
 https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/fisherville-1972-mercedes-benz-250c/7361480373.html
 
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Re: [MBZ] Interesting power thingie

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

There are some less expensive ones that just use alligator clips for the 
battery connection, too.

-D

> On Aug 6, 2021, at 9:48 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Plugs into OBD port.  Puts some electrons into the system, saw a guy in a vid 
> use it to pop the trunk on a W220 with a dead battery, it will also maintain 
> all your settings when you disconnect the main battery.  You can (maybe) 
> connect to a jump pack or some other 12V source.  I think I am going to order 
> one, Bozos or Uncle Xi?
> 
> $19 at Bozos's store. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MPY0DNI
> 
> $15 at Uncle Xi's store. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32809951094.html
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[MBZ] Interesting power thingie

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Plugs into OBD port.  Puts some electrons into the system, saw a guy in 
a vid use it to pop the trunk on a W220 with a dead battery, it will 
also maintain all your settings when you disconnect the main battery.  
You can (maybe) connect to a jump pack or some other 12V source.  I 
think I am going to order one, Bozos or Uncle Xi?


$19 at Bozos's store. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MPY0DNI

$15 at Uncle Xi's store. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32809951094.html

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[MBZ] 1972 Mercedes-Benz 280SE W108 4.5 V8 Sedan - Clearly a better value! - $19, 950 (Desert Private Collection (760) 313-6607)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Clearly!

https://onslow.craigslist.org/ctd/d/palm-desert-1972-mercedes-benz-280se-v8/7361299071.html


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[MBZ] NO LOW BALL YOU WILL BE IGNORED & BLOCKED! 1998 Mercedes Benz CLK320 - $2, 500 (OBO)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Teal?  with some warts LOW BALL at $1500

https://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/d/charlotte-1998-mercedes-benz-clk320/7361547519.html

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Re: [MBZ] Roof replacement and USAA

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Has the cost of the materials gone up that much?  A few years ago I paid $12k 
for a very steep roof, architectural shingles, white so they are Energy Star, 
with full water and ice damn sheild on entire roof, and extra strapping for 
protection against hurricanes.  Basically I paid for every extra I could except 
a metal roof.  My house is two story, about 2400 square feet, complex roof.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


Aug 5, 2021 6:29:17 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes :

> Agreed. $36k for that roof is a ripoff. You’ve seen my house and might recall 
> the gables and stuff, and it was barely $20k a couple of years ago with 
> architectural grade shingles.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2021, at 6:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Just some rough numbers this roof should cost about $12k and the rental 
>> maybe $18k. That’s a far cry from $36k for this house from the first company.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Aug 5, 2021, at 4:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well the 2nd guy just left and we have not talked numbers yet but he says 
>>> the rental for sure has hail damage, and this house may have some hail but 
>>> it’s mostly wind damage. The question will be how much they cover on the 
>>> rental house since it looks to me to be ACV coverage. This house should be 
>>> replacement so it depends on if they replace the whole thing or just 
>>> patches. This guy used to be an adjuster so he knows how do deal with them, 
>>> plus he was referred to us by several people. The first one was a company 
>>> that has been around a long time but advertises all over the TV and radio.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 5, 2021, at 3:52 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 That strikes me as very expensive. Of course I know nothing about the 
 size or complexity of the roof.
 
 
>> …
> Just got the sales pitch on this roof. He says there is some hail and 
> wind damage but it’s older, as in over a year old. Basically full tear 
> off redoing the rotted wood on the edges at some places with impact 
> resistant shingles $36k. More basic deal is about $10k less. Not really 
> sure if it’s going to be an insurance claim or not as he says it has to 
> be filed within a year. Probably will end up doing nothing yet. I was 
> really wanting to get a couple of new roofs out of USAA to return the 
> favor.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> …
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Re: [MBZ] 1972 250C - 47k miles - $10,000

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Only California cars had emissions controls in 72 that affected operation.  
Positive crankcase ventilation started in 65 I think, don't remember, and 
evaporative emissions controls in 68 but no charcoal canister yet.

73 was the year EGR was required, catalysts started appearing in 74.

Crash resistant bumpers were 73.
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