Re: [MBZ] OT: Garage door mayhem

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > fmiser wrote:
> >
> > Wow.  I think I would have taken the two sensors, mounted them
> > 5 cm apart maybe wrapped in duct tape, probably next to the
> > opener control board.  Always dark, always close, always
> > "safe"!

> Allan wrote:
> 
> Almost exactly how they are set up in my garage. No duct tape
> though.

Jim was having what appeared to be light pollution problems, so I
figure drastically reducing the opportunity for light to get in
there would improve the chances of it keeping on working.

I actually set up my sensors, but I had some short people running
around.  But so far I'm not aware of a single situation where it
has prevented harm.  It has, however, triggered many times when
there was no danger.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Garage door mayhem

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

On Thu, Aug 19, 2021, at 11:24 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

> Wow.  I think I would have taken the two sensors, mounted them 5
> cm apart maybe wrapped in duct tape, probably next to the opener
> control board.  Always dark, always close, always "safe"!

Almost exactly how they are set up in my garage. No duct tape though.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Garage door mayhem

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Jim wrote:

> I decided I had a bit of time to look into our always-irritating
> Wayne Dalton garage door opener, which usually refuses to go
> down in the day. It seems to correlate with light and/or heat


> ... With the door down it was always there. The system is
> clearly quite sensitive to missing pulses, it doesn't have to be
> missing very long for it to trip.
> 
> So, flange up a timer-based pulse train to eliminate the
> wretched 'safety' switch?

Wow.  I think I would have taken the two sensors, mounted them 5
cm apart maybe wrapped in duct tape, probably next to the opener
control board.  Always dark, always close, always "safe"!

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[MBZ] 2014 CLA250 4Matic - 70k miles - $15,500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Clean looking car.

https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbus-2014-mercedes-benz-cla250/7368155322.html

Allan
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[MBZ] 2006 CLS500 - 126k miles - $3,700

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Beat up interior... large antifreeze leak... firm on the price.

https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbus-2006-mercedes-benz-cls500-v8/7368157792.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Garage door mayhem

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Neat.
I've missed you posting stuff like this. I don't understand all of it but I'm 
interested in reading it...
-Curt

On Thursday, August 19, 2021, 04:42:03 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Wednesday, August 4, 2021 <>I decided I had a bit of time to look into our 
always-irritating Wayne Dalton garage door opener, which usually refuses to go 
down in the day. It seems to correlate with light and/or heat, and you have to 
bounce it down, sometimes inches at a time, with the remote. Very irritating! 
[If you just hold down the wall switch you can force it to close while ignoring 
the malfunctioning door safety sensor. Good to know.] We've already replaced 
the door sensor components once, not that long ago. Now it's doing it again.
I got out the oscilloscope and looked at the signals. There are two, 10 VDC 
with a several-volt slow square wave (Fluke says 42 Hz) riding on it on the 
emitter side, and a negative-going pulse train on the sensor side. (The emitter 
supply is probably just dirty DC, with no intentional signal at all.) The 
aiming seems correct, as when I flexed the mount on the sensor side it dropped 
out about equally on both directions. The sensor pulse train is about a 10 VDC 
resting signal, with a 220 µs drop to zero, and another 200 µs slow rise. The 
period is about 6.5 ms, and measures (Fluke) at 151 Hz. (Another opener 
measures around 170 Hz.) With two pulses on the screen (negative trigger) I 
could see that the second pulse wasn't always there when the door was open to 
the daylight. With the door down it was always there. The system is clearly 
quite sensitive to missing pulses, it doesn't have to be missing very long for 
it to trip.

So, flange up a timer-based pulse train to eliminate the wretched 'safety' 
switch? The prior opener didn't have one, just the back-pressure safety switch, 
and I never felt the least bit unsafe. We don't have crushable babies crawling 
around the garage door while we're driving in and out, and I suspect that the 
car itself is a greater threat to whatever than the door is.

I think a 555 timer could do the job. IIRC that's a 555, two resistors and a 
capacitor for the timing components, and two diodes to ensure a steady power 
supply from the door opener. Maybe one more resistor to ensure that the 555 
output doesn't draw too much current. Do I have any 555's left in the junkbox? 
[Maybe, but I didn't want to conduct a heavy search. I ordered a pack of 12 new 
ones through Amazon, I went for TI rather than no-name Chinese. Probably cost 
2–3× as much, but they're still cheap.]

Thursday, August 19, 2021 <>
The 555 timers I ordered came, I flanged up an old-school point-to-point knot 
of a circuit, using the classic astable form from the datasheet. I used a 150 
kΩ timing resistor (RA), a 6.8 kΩ discharge resistor (RB), and a 0.1 µF timing 
capacitor. I left no 555 pins unconnected, there's a decoupling capacitor on 
VREF, and RESET is tied inactive.
I had mis-read the wiring on the opener earlier, getting the pushbutton wiring 
mixed with the sensor wiring. The emitter and sensor hook to the same two 
wires, marked Common and OBS on the side of the opener. Because power and 
signal share a pin, I used an inline diode and a 100 µF filter capacitor to 
isolate the output pin of the 555 from the power. (When the [short] low-going 
pulse of the 555 grounds the OBS pin on the opener, the filter capacitor keeps 
the 555 timer powered, and the diode keeps the filter capacitor from 
discharging back through the output.)

So, to summarize this is a 100% standard astable oscillator, right out of the 
data sheet, but with a diode/capacitor filter-isolater in the power feed line, 
and the output tied to the power feed. The component tolerances were not great, 
but I was using junkbox parts. The signal is slower than the door sensor's, at 
around a 10 ms cycle rather than the target 6.5 ms, but the opener doesn't seem 
to care. I didn't have to tweak the values after the first build, I just 
installed it as-is. We'll see if it has problems later, but initial results are 
positive.

Basically a 2-wire circuit blob that hooks to Common and OBS, in place of the 
wiring to the door sensor modules.


-- Jim

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[MBZ] More energy dependency

[Clay via Mercedes]

https://www.adn.com/business-economy/energy/2021/08/18/federal-judge-voids-permits-for-conocophillips-willow-oil-project/
 


Who will provide the petrol for our cars now?  OPEC must be having a hoot about 
increased profits.  Saudi Aramco posted its best quarter in decades, while 
pumping out less oil.  I am not going to be using a plug in car, since there is 
no way the thing will work over the winter, nor will it have power to get 
anywhere and back in AK.  Ok, maybe to the corner liquor store.  

I am now official for AK.  Took two hours to be processed by DMV.  Poor fellow 
behind me had to drive 200 miles to get to his appointment and sat for hours to 
get his business done (plates).  Then drove 200 back home.  Guess that would 
have been time enough to plug in and get a charge.  Sadly, DMV has no plugs for 
that.

Clay


inter urinas et faeces nascimur

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Garage door mayhem

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

You may want to replace the capcitors in the power supply for the motor head, 
I'm finding all sorts of issues cured by clean DC.  Easy to check with an 
oscilloscope, if there is significant AC on the filter cap for the circuit 
boards it's gonna act strange.
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Re: [MBZ] Lenses, was RE: OT: Film

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

At least 25 years.  Haven't checked it lately.

On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 12:20 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> When was it last used? Any battery leakage?
>
> Quick web search for N2000 info turns up Matt's Classic Cameras which says
> "Light seals will need replacing at some point."
>
> Allan
>
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2021, at 11:57 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > I still have my Nikon N2000 with several Nikkor lenses (28, 55, 200mm).
> > Anyone interested?
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 9:15 AM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I have a few (spare) Konica Autoreflex-T lenses.  The camera body with
> > > 50mm lens was stolen.  I'll part with the lenses for the cost of
> shipping
> > > to the first Oki member that wants them.  I'm out of town until Sunday
> > > night but can provide details next week.  I haven't even looked at
> them for
> > > 10+ years so I'd like then to have a better home than my closet.
> > >
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[MBZ] OT: Garage door mayhem

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Wednesday, August 4, 2021 <>I decided I had a bit of time to look into our 
always-irritating Wayne Dalton garage door opener, which usually refuses to go 
down in the day. It seems to correlate with light and/or heat, and you have to 
bounce it down, sometimes inches at a time, with the remote. Very irritating! 
[If you just hold down the wall switch you can force it to close while ignoring 
the malfunctioning door safety sensor. Good to know.] We've already replaced 
the door sensor components once, not that long ago. Now it's doing it again.
I got out the oscilloscope and looked at the signals. There are two, 10 VDC 
with a several-volt slow square wave (Fluke says 42 Hz) riding on it on the 
emitter side, and a negative-going pulse train on the sensor side. (The emitter 
supply is probably just dirty DC, with no intentional signal at all.) The 
aiming seems correct, as when I flexed the mount on the sensor side it dropped 
out about equally on both directions. The sensor pulse train is about a 10 VDC 
resting signal, with a 220 µs drop to zero, and another 200 µs slow rise. The 
period is about 6.5 ms, and measures (Fluke) at 151 Hz. (Another opener 
measures around 170 Hz.) With two pulses on the screen (negative trigger) I 
could see that the second pulse wasn't always there when the door was open to 
the daylight. With the door down it was always there. The system is clearly 
quite sensitive to missing pulses, it doesn't have to be missing very long for 
it to trip.

So, flange up a timer-based pulse train to eliminate the wretched 'safety' 
switch? The prior opener didn't have one, just the back-pressure safety switch, 
and I never felt the least bit unsafe. We don't have crushable babies crawling 
around the garage door while we're driving in and out, and I suspect that the 
car itself is a greater threat to whatever than the door is.

I think a 555 timer could do the job. IIRC that's a 555, two resistors and a 
capacitor for the timing components, and two diodes to ensure a steady power 
supply from the door opener. Maybe one more resistor to ensure that the 555 
output doesn't draw too much current. Do I have any 555's left in the junkbox? 
[Maybe, but I didn't want to conduct a heavy search. I ordered a pack of 12 new 
ones through Amazon, I went for TI rather than no-name Chinese. Probably cost 
2–3× as much, but they're still cheap.]

Thursday, August 19, 2021 <>
The 555 timers I ordered came, I flanged up an old-school point-to-point knot 
of a circuit, using the classic astable form from the datasheet. I used a 150 
kΩ timing resistor (RA), a 6.8 kΩ discharge resistor (RB), and a 0.1 µF timing 
capacitor. I left no 555 pins unconnected, there's a decoupling capacitor on 
VREF, and RESET is tied inactive.
I had mis-read the wiring on the opener earlier, getting the pushbutton wiring 
mixed with the sensor wiring. The emitter and sensor hook to the same two 
wires, marked Common and OBS on the side of the opener. Because power and 
signal share a pin, I used an inline diode and a 100 µF filter capacitor to 
isolate the output pin of the 555 from the power. (When the [short] low-going 
pulse of the 555 grounds the OBS pin on the opener, the filter capacitor keeps 
the 555 timer powered, and the diode keeps the filter capacitor from 
discharging back through the output.)

So, to summarize this is a 100% standard astable oscillator, right out of the 
data sheet, but with a diode/capacitor filter-isolater in the power feed line, 
and the output tied to the power feed. The component tolerances were not great, 
but I was using junkbox parts. The signal is slower than the door sensor's, at 
around a 10 ms cycle rather than the target 6.5 ms, but the opener doesn't seem 
to care. I didn't have to tweak the values after the first build, I just 
installed it as-is. We'll see if it has problems later, but initial results are 
positive.

Basically a 2-wire circuit blob that hooks to Common and OBS, in place of the 
wiring to the door sensor modules.


-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Film

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

My Zeiss folder has a f/3.5 Xenar lens.  It looks like it could use a cleaning,
but isn't too horrible.  It also is 6x4.5, with a 75mm lens.  Very nice bit of
engineering, Compur-rapid shutter.  The specific model is Super Ikonta A 531.
I might have put two rolls of film through it.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 2014 SL 550 - 3k miles - $43,500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Yeah sure enough I have to remember what it's like being young, having an 
income and no responsibilites.

Allan

On Thu, Aug 19, 2021, at 11:09 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> 
> If it was a military guy it'd be a Camaro or Mustang...
> 
> Same idea though, guy gets his first real job, makes a little money, buys 
> something stupid. Meets a girl, produces some sprouts, "whoops, maybe I 
> shouldn't be spending a huge chunk of my income on this stupid car"
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Thursday, August 19, 2021, 11:06:49 AM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> "I just had a 3rd child recently and bought a new home and would like to use 
> the money to remodel so I decided to sell this car unfortunately."
> 
> I'm pondering how someone finds himself with a $50K car with a young family 
> and not yet established in his home. Only way that makes any sense to me is 
> if the car had been inherited.
> 
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/westmont-2014-mercedes-benz-sl-550-only/7367908140.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Lenses, was RE: OT: Film

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

When was it last used? Any battery leakage?

Quick web search for N2000 info turns up Matt's Classic Cameras which says 
"Light seals will need replacing at some point."

Allan

On Thu, Aug 19, 2021, at 11:57 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> I still have my Nikon N2000 with several Nikkor lenses (28, 55, 200mm).
> Anyone interested?
> 
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 9:15 AM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > I have a few (spare) Konica Autoreflex-T lenses.  The camera body with
> > 50mm lens was stolen.  I'll part with the lenses for the cost of shipping
> > to the first Oki member that wants them.  I'm out of town until Sunday
> > night but can provide details next week.  I haven't even looked at them for
> > 10+ years so I'd like then to have a better home than my closet.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 300 E desk - $800 (Midland)

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Yeah my thought was you could probably find a entire running 300E for $800 if 
you weren't too picky.

Allan


On Thu, Aug 19, 2021, at 12:11 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> $800 for a rear clip that doesn’t even have any drawers or desk-related stuff?
> 
> I think not.
> 
> Not only that, how much effort would it take to set up a wall wart to power 
> the lamps?
> 
> There was a guy on BanzWhirled who had a W108 dash setup in a similar manner, 
> only it wasn’t functional as in it was more of a display piece or something 
> for the kids to play with. I don’t recall the whole story but I think his dad 
> had made it for him when he was a kid. he wanted thousands for it, yet 
> couldn’t understand why no one was interested.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Aug 19, 2021, at 11:05 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I bet the guy also has a 300E coffin ready to go down under.
> > 
> > On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 9:51 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> 
> >> https://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/d/midland-mercedes-300-desk/7367491485.html
> >> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 300 E desk - $800 (Midland)

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

$800 for a rear clip that doesn’t even have any drawers or desk-related stuff?

I think not.

Not only that, how much effort would it take to set up a wall wart to power the 
lamps?

There was a guy on BanzWhirled who had a W108 dash setup in a similar manner, 
only it wasn’t functional as in it was more of a display piece or something for 
the kids to play with. I don’t recall the whole story but I think his dad had 
made it for him when he was a kid. he wanted thousands for it, yet couldn’t 
understand why no one was interested.

-D

> On Aug 19, 2021, at 11:05 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I bet the guy also has a 300E coffin ready to go down under.
> 
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 9:51 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> https://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/d/midland-mercedes-300-desk/7367491485.html
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Lenses, was RE: OT: Film

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I still have my Nikon N2000 with several Nikkor lenses (28, 55, 200mm).
Anyone interested?

On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 9:15 AM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have a few (spare) Konica Autoreflex-T lenses.  The camera body with
> 50mm lens was stolen.  I'll part with the lenses for the cost of shipping
> to the first Oki member that wants them.  I'm out of town until Sunday
> night but can provide details next week.  I haven't even looked at them for
> 10+ years so I'd like then to have a better home than my closet.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 560SEL - 232k miles - $8,000

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Would love to peek underneath the sheepskin seat covers.

On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 11:00 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> "doesn't feel like it has more than 100k miles"
>
>
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/chicago-1991-mercedes-benz-560sel-great/7367932415.html
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Re: [MBZ] 2014 SL 550 - 3k miles - $43,500

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Or had the good sense to be born into wealthy parents who spoiled him?

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>  If it was a military guy it'd be a Camaro or Mustang...
> Same idea though, guy gets his first real job, makes a little money, buys
> something stupid. Meets a girl, produces some sprouts, "whoops, maybe I
> shouldn't be spending a huge chunk of my income on this stupid car"
>
> -Curt
>
> On Thursday, August 19, 2021, 11:06:49 AM EDT, Allan Streib via
> Mercedes  wrote:
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>  "I just had a 3rd child recently and bought a new home and would like to
> use the money to remodel so I decided to sell this car unfortunately."
>
> I'm pondering how someone finds himself with a $50K car with a young
> family and not yet established in his home. Only way that makes any sense
> to me is if the car had been inherited.
>
>
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/westmont-2014-mercedes-benz-sl-550-only/7367908140.html
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] 2014 SL 550 - 3k miles - $43,500

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 If it was a military guy it'd be a Camaro or Mustang...
Same idea though, guy gets his first real job, makes a little money, buys 
something stupid. Meets a girl, produces some sprouts, "whoops, maybe I 
shouldn't be spending a huge chunk of my income on this stupid car"

-Curt

On Thursday, August 19, 2021, 11:06:49 AM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 "I just had a 3rd child recently and bought a new home and would like to use 
the money to remodel so I decided to sell this car unfortunately."

I'm pondering how someone finds himself with a $50K car with a young family and 
not yet established in his home. Only way that makes any sense to me is if the 
car had been inherited.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/westmont-2014-mercedes-benz-sl-550-only/7367908140.html

Allan
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[MBZ] 2014 SL 550 - 3k miles - $43,500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

"I just had a 3rd child recently and bought a new home and would like to use 
the money to remodel so I decided to sell this car unfortunately."

I'm pondering how someone finds himself with a $50K car with a young family and 
not yet established in his home. Only way that makes any sense to me is if the 
car had been inherited.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/westmont-2014-mercedes-benz-sl-550-only/7367908140.html

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 300 E desk - $800 (Midland)

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I bet the guy also has a 300E coffin ready to go down under.

On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 9:51 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

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> https://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/d/midland-mercedes-300-desk/7367491485.html
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[MBZ] 1991 560SEL - 232k miles - $8,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

"doesn't feel like it has more than 100k miles"

https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/chicago-1991-mercedes-benz-560sel-great/7367932415.html

Allan
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[MBZ] Mercedes 300 E desk - $800 (Midland)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/d/midland-mercedes-300-desk/7367491485.html

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[MBZ] I like this Mercedes S600 AMG - $12,900 (Raleigh)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/raleigh-mercedes-s600-amg/7367774663.html

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[MBZ] Lenses, was RE: OT: Film

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I have a few (spare) Konica Autoreflex-T lenses.  The camera body with 50mm 
lens was stolen.  I'll part with the lenses for the cost of shipping to the 
first Oki member that wants them.  I'm out of town until Sunday night but can 
provide details next week.  I haven't even looked at them for 10+ years so I'd 
like then to have a better home than my closet.



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Re: [MBZ] Buy to flip for profit to the Fakebook boys

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Worth $1500 easy, million mile engine

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> On Aug 18, 2021, at 10:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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