Re: [MBZ] motor mounts

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

They are just a re boxer of parts. No telling what you will get. 

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> On Oct 23, 2021, at 10:43 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Beck-Arnley used to be decent foreign car parts, don't know if they still 
> are. So many old brands have been sold and now the names are attached to 
> generic chinese garbage.
> 
> Allan
> 
>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, at 11:18 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> I think that brand is decent, might even be oem 
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
 On Oct 23, 2021, at 10:36 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=474986&cc=1193666&pt=5552&jsn=1351
>>> 
>>> Are these likely to be as good as I will get anywhere else?
>>> 
>>> Opinions?
>> 
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[MBZ] I feel much better about this car due to jiffy lube oil change

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Re: [MBZ] W116 ignition tumbler and key

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

May or may not be relevant, but I had the ignition cylinder lock up on a Honda 
Odyssey. Sidewinder style key, wafers. Locked up solid without warning, between 
"Off/Locked" and "Accessory" positions. Could not turn either way or remove the 
key. Fortunately the steering column was not locked.

Removed the steering column cover and was able to remove the switch from the 
cylinder and start the car.

At home, removed the bracket holding the cylinder, was able to remove it and 
get the key out. I disassembled it, and removed all the wafers, then 
reassembled it and installed it. Looked completely normal but any key or even a 
screwdriver would turn it. Anyone trying to steal the car would still have 
needed the the key with the RFID chip to start it, so that was good enough for 
me.

Allan


On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, at 11:22 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
> I never opened an ignition cylinder but I have been inside w126 door locks.
> The sidewinder style does not use pin-style tumblers like a typical home
> lock.  They use spring loaded split "wafers" that ride up and down the
> profile cut into the sides of the key.  When everything is "right" with the
> key inserted, all the wafers ends are flush with the diameter of the
> cylinder, allowing it to turn.  I assume these split wafers come in standard
> numbered sizes.  It appeared to me that sticking from dirt and grease as
> well as wear would be the main  problem.  Also, the door locks were crimped
> together making a really neat repair difficult.  On the other hand, bad
> wafers could simply be removed if too worn and the lock would still work
> (albeit less securte).
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of David Bruckmann via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2021 8:22 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: David Bruckmann 
> Subject: [MBZ] W116 ignition tumbler and key
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> In case it is helpful for others, I'd like to relate my recent journey in
> attempting to avert ignition tumbler failure on my '79 W116.120 (300SD). All
> of the information below was confirmed with Tom Hanson at the Classic
> Centre.
> 
> Ignition tumblers coded to the vehicle are no longer available for W116
> models. Fortunately, it is still possible to order a generic "service"
> ignition tumbler with a key that is not coded to the vehicle. The "service"
> tumbler may actually use a different style of key. My W116 has the so-called
> "sidewinder" key, but Tom mentioned that the service tumblers probably use
> the more conventional-style keys used in 107/114/115/123 models. And by the
> way, ignition tumblers for 107, 108, 114 and 115 are also NLA, even as an
> uncoded service part. Only the later 123 tumblers remain available.
> 
> I also ordered two replacement keys that ARE coded to the vehicle. These are
> still available, but under A2017600306 versus the original A0007600406, a
> fact that my local dealer was unable to determine.
> 
> My plan is to remove the existing ignition tumbler, replace with the service
> tumbler, then dismantle the old part. Sounds like the failure is caused by
> wear of the lock pins, which then protrude and cause the tumbler to lock in
> the housing. So I will take a look for that and make adjustments before
> cleaning, lubricating, and reassembling the tumbler.
> 
> If I'm REALLY lucky, Tom is wrong and the "service" tumbler also uses a
> sidewinder key. In that case, I will try to find a competent locksmith who
> can modify the coding of the generic tumbler to match the vehicle keying.
> 
> I posted on this (R107) thread:
> 
> https://www.benzworld.org/threads/apparently-mb-no-longer-makes-the-ignition
> -tumblers-for-our-cars-so.2067042/page-4
> 
> where there's a useful link to
> https://www.coolcatcorp.com/Mercedes/Lock190.html and this thread
> https://forum.w116.org/mechanicals/modifying-w123-lock-cylinder-to-fit-w116/
> which give you an idea of the internal construction of the tumbler.
> 
> Anyway, I'll keep you all posted as things progress. If anyone knows of a
> competent automotive locksmith near San Francisco, please let me know!
> 
> D.
> 
> -- 
> David Bruckmann, Temescal/Oakland, CA
> Current Reality:
> 1966 Citroen DS21M Pallas "Celeste"
> 1972 Mercedes-Benz 280SEL 4.5 (160,000 km) "Blauer Engel"
> 1973 Mercedes-Benz 450SLC (210,000 km) "Lottie"
> 1976 Citroen 2CV6 (150,000 km) "Piaf"
> 1976 Mercedes-Benz 300D/8 (325,000 km) "Willow"
> 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300SD (270,000 km) "Tina"
> Shady Past:
> 1970 Citroen DS21 Pallas (170,000 km) "Goettin"
> 1970 Mercedes-Benz 220/8 (250,000 km) "Blanche"
> 1971 Citroen DS21 Pallas (137,000 km), 1972 Citroen DS21 Pallas (502,000 km)
> 1978 Mercedes-Benz 300D (1,200,000 km or thereabouts) "Sieglinde"
> 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD non-turbo (260,000 km)  "Diva"
> 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300D (425,000 km) "Liz"
> 1980 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston (120,000km), 1988 Merkur XR4Ti (209,000 km)
> 1981 Peugeot 505 GRD (350,000km), 1984 MB 300TD (385,000 km) "Gertraud"
> 19

Re: [MBZ] motor mounts

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Beck-Arnley used to be decent foreign car parts, don't know if they still are. 
So many old brands have been sold and now the names are attached to generic 
chinese garbage.

Allan

On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, at 11:18 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> I think that brand is decent, might even be oem 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
> > On Oct 23, 2021, at 10:36 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=474986&cc=1193666&pt=5552&jsn=1351
> > 
> > Are these likely to be as good as I will get anywhere else?
> > 
> > Opinions?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W116 ignition tumbler and key

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I never opened an ignition cylinder but I have been inside w126 door locks.
The sidewinder style does not use pin-style tumblers like a typical home
lock.  They use spring loaded split "wafers" that ride up and down the
profile cut into the sides of the key.  When everything is "right" with the
key inserted, all the wafers ends are flush with the diameter of the
cylinder, allowing it to turn.  I assume these split wafers come in standard
numbered sizes.  It appeared to me that sticking from dirt and grease as
well as wear would be the main  problem.  Also, the door locks were crimped
together making a really neat repair difficult.  On the other hand, bad
wafers could simply be removed if too worn and the lock would still work
(albeit less securte).

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of David Bruckmann via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2021 8:22 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: David Bruckmann 
Subject: [MBZ] W116 ignition tumbler and key

Greetings,

In case it is helpful for others, I'd like to relate my recent journey in
attempting to avert ignition tumbler failure on my '79 W116.120 (300SD). All
of the information below was confirmed with Tom Hanson at the Classic
Centre.

Ignition tumblers coded to the vehicle are no longer available for W116
models. Fortunately, it is still possible to order a generic "service"
ignition tumbler with a key that is not coded to the vehicle. The "service"
tumbler may actually use a different style of key. My W116 has the so-called
"sidewinder" key, but Tom mentioned that the service tumblers probably use
the more conventional-style keys used in 107/114/115/123 models. And by the
way, ignition tumblers for 107, 108, 114 and 115 are also NLA, even as an
uncoded service part. Only the later 123 tumblers remain available.

I also ordered two replacement keys that ARE coded to the vehicle. These are
still available, but under A2017600306 versus the original A0007600406, a
fact that my local dealer was unable to determine.

My plan is to remove the existing ignition tumbler, replace with the service
tumbler, then dismantle the old part. Sounds like the failure is caused by
wear of the lock pins, which then protrude and cause the tumbler to lock in
the housing. So I will take a look for that and make adjustments before
cleaning, lubricating, and reassembling the tumbler.

If I'm REALLY lucky, Tom is wrong and the "service" tumbler also uses a
sidewinder key. In that case, I will try to find a competent locksmith who
can modify the coding of the generic tumbler to match the vehicle keying.

I posted on this (R107) thread:

https://www.benzworld.org/threads/apparently-mb-no-longer-makes-the-ignition
-tumblers-for-our-cars-so.2067042/page-4

where there's a useful link to
https://www.coolcatcorp.com/Mercedes/Lock190.html and this thread
https://forum.w116.org/mechanicals/modifying-w123-lock-cylinder-to-fit-w116/
which give you an idea of the internal construction of the tumbler.

Anyway, I'll keep you all posted as things progress. If anyone knows of a
competent automotive locksmith near San Francisco, please let me know!

D.

-- 
David Bruckmann, Temescal/Oakland, CA
Current Reality:
1966 Citroen DS21M Pallas "Celeste"
1972 Mercedes-Benz 280SEL 4.5 (160,000 km) "Blauer Engel"
1973 Mercedes-Benz 450SLC (210,000 km) "Lottie"
1976 Citroen 2CV6 (150,000 km) "Piaf"
1976 Mercedes-Benz 300D/8 (325,000 km) "Willow"
1979 Mercedes-Benz 300SD (270,000 km) "Tina"
Shady Past:
1970 Citroen DS21 Pallas (170,000 km) "Goettin"
1970 Mercedes-Benz 220/8 (250,000 km) "Blanche"
1971 Citroen DS21 Pallas (137,000 km), 1972 Citroen DS21 Pallas (502,000 km)
1978 Mercedes-Benz 300D (1,200,000 km or thereabouts) "Sieglinde"
1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD non-turbo (260,000 km)  "Diva"
1979 Mercedes-Benz 300D (425,000 km) "Liz"
1980 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston (120,000km), 1988 Merkur XR4Ti (209,000 km)
1981 Peugeot 505 GRD (350,000km), 1984 MB 300TD (385,000 km) "Gertraud"
1985 Toyota Camry (330,000 km) 1986 Renault 9 1.7L (155,000 km)
2002 VW Golf GLS TDI "The Hated Golf" (74,000 km)

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Re: [MBZ] motor mounts

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I think that brand is decent, might even be oem 

--FT
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> On Oct 23, 2021, at 10:36 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=474986&cc=1193666&pt=5552&jsn=1351
> 
> Are these likely to be as good as I will get anywhere else?
> 
> Opinions?
> 
> Randy
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Oh boy

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

My 1976 red 300D had an identical auxiliary fuel tank in the trunk.

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[MBZ] motor mounts

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=474986&cc=1193666&pt=5552&jsn=1351

Are these likely to be as good as I will get anywhere else?

Opinions?

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] 1970 280S - 93k miles - $12,500

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

no need to now. I honestly can't recall if my 78 240D had cranks or not. I
do recall rebuilding the window regulator.

On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 9:16 PM Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> I will never ever own a crank windowed Benz again ever.
>
> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 8:25 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> and proud of it
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 8:10 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Y’all a buncha cranky ol mens
>> >
>> > --FT
>> > Sent from iFōn
>> >
>> > > On Oct 23, 2021, at 6:39 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > yes I drove crank windows for 50 years & never thought about it.
>> But  I
>> > do
>> > > agree with Andrew it is nice to roll up electric windows in my 82
>> 300CD
>> > >
>> > >> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 4:04 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> He’s just being contrary because he can’t roll up the windows
>> remotely
>> > >> when it rains. Roll up windows are not something that detracts from
>> the
>> > >> value. It’s still a very nice car.
>> > >>
>> > >> -D
>> > >>
>> > >>> On Oct 23, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Massive inconvenience when it starts to rain.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 3:06 PM Allan Streib 
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> >  On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>> > 
>> >  Low optioned car with crank windows.
>> > 
>> > 
>> >  But what are the downsides?
>> > 
>> >  Allan
>> > 
>> > 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Canine lending library [zero Mercedes content]

[Clay via Mercedes]

Love It!


Clay


inter urinas et faeces nascimur

> On Oct 23, 2021, at 10:10 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> [image: image.png]
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Re: [MBZ] 1970 280S - 93k miles - $12,500

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I will never ever own a crank windowed Benz again ever.

On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 8:25 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> and proud of it
>
> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 8:10 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Y’all a buncha cranky ol mens
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iFōn
> >
> > > On Oct 23, 2021, at 6:39 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > yes I drove crank windows for 50 years & never thought about it. But
> I
> > do
> > > agree with Andrew it is nice to roll up electric windows in my 82 300CD
> > >
> > >> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 4:04 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> He’s just being contrary because he can’t roll up the windows remotely
> > >> when it rains. Roll up windows are not something that detracts from
> the
> > >> value. It’s still a very nice car.
> > >>
> > >> -D
> > >>
> > >>> On Oct 23, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Massive inconvenience when it starts to rain.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 3:06 PM Allan Streib 
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> >  On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> > 
> >  Low optioned car with crank windows.
> > 
> > 
> >  But what are the downsides?
> > 
> >  Allan
> > 
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] W116 ignition tumbler and key

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I only saw one sidewinder key - for my 1978 450 SL C.  Was a PIA to get
copied at the locksmith.

On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 8:22 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> In case it is helpful for others, I'd like to relate my recent journey in
> attempting to avert ignition tumbler failure on my '79 W116.120 (300SD).
> All of the information below was confirmed with Tom Hanson at the Classic
> Centre.
>
> Ignition tumblers coded to the vehicle are no longer available for W116
> models. Fortunately, it is still possible to order a generic "service"
> ignition tumbler with a key that is not coded to the vehicle. The "service"
> tumbler may actually use a different style of key. My W116 has the
> so-called "sidewinder" key, but Tom mentioned that the service tumblers
> probably use the more conventional-style keys used in 107/114/115/123
> models. And by the way, ignition tumblers for 107, 108, 114 and 115 are
> also NLA, even as an uncoded service part. Only the later 123 tumblers
> remain available.
>
> I also ordered two replacement keys that ARE coded to the vehicle. These
> are still available, but under A2017600306 versus the original A0007600406,
> a fact that my local dealer was unable to determine.
>
> My plan is to remove the existing ignition tumbler, replace with the
> service tumbler, then dismantle the old part. Sounds like the failure is
> caused by wear of the lock pins, which then protrude and cause the tumbler
> to lock in the housing. So I will take a look for that and make adjustments
> before cleaning, lubricating, and reassembling the tumbler.
>
> If I'm REALLY lucky, Tom is wrong and the "service" tumbler also uses a
> sidewinder key. In that case, I will try to find a competent locksmith who
> can modify the coding of the generic tumbler to match the vehicle keying.
>
> I posted on this (R107) thread:
>
>
> https://www.benzworld.org/threads/apparently-mb-no-longer-makes-the-ignition-tumblers-for-our-cars-so.2067042/page-4
>
> where there's a useful link to
> https://www.coolcatcorp.com/Mercedes/Lock190.html and this thread
> https://forum.w116.org/mechanicals/modifying-w123-lock-cylinder-to-fit-w116/
> which give you an idea of the internal construction of the tumbler.
>
> Anyway, I'll keep you all posted as things progress. If anyone knows of a
> competent automotive locksmith near San Francisco, please let me know!
>
> D.
>
> --
> David Bruckmann, Temescal/Oakland, CA
> Current Reality:
> 1966 Citroen DS21M Pallas "Celeste"
> 1972 Mercedes-Benz 280SEL 4.5 (160,000 km) "Blauer Engel"
> 1973 Mercedes-Benz 450SLC (210,000 km) "Lottie"
> 1976 Citroen 2CV6 (150,000 km) "Piaf"
> 1976 Mercedes-Benz 300D/8 (325,000 km) "Willow"
> 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300SD (270,000 km) "Tina"
> Shady Past:
> 1970 Citroen DS21 Pallas (170,000 km) "Goettin"
> 1970 Mercedes-Benz 220/8 (250,000 km) "Blanche"
> 1971 Citroen DS21 Pallas (137,000 km), 1972 Citroen DS21 Pallas (502,000
> km)
> 1978 Mercedes-Benz 300D (1,200,000 km or thereabouts) "Sieglinde"
> 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD non-turbo (260,000 km)  "Diva"
> 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300D (425,000 km) "Liz"
> 1980 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston (120,000km), 1988 Merkur XR4Ti (209,000 km)
> 1981 Peugeot 505 GRD (350,000km), 1984 MB 300TD (385,000 km) "Gertraud"
> 1985 Toyota Camry (330,000 km) 1986 Renault 9 1.7L (155,000 km)
> 2002 VW Golf GLS TDI "The Hated Golf" (74,000 km)
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Re: [MBZ] OT VW Diesel Pickup Truck 1982 - $1,200 ran when parked

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Drove fine, so I  abandoned it in a field to die.

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> pushing. I used to lust for these.
>
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> > Don't see too many of these around. A shame it was left to rot.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Canine lending library [zero Mercedes content]

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

love it. we have 3 rescue dogs.

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Re: [MBZ] 1970 280S - 93k miles - $12,500

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and proud of it

On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 8:10 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> Y’all a buncha cranky ol mens
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
> > On Oct 23, 2021, at 6:39 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > yes I drove crank windows for 50 years & never thought about it. But  I
> do
> > agree with Andrew it is nice to roll up electric windows in my 82 300CD
> >
> >> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 4:04 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> He’s just being contrary because he can’t roll up the windows remotely
> >> when it rains. Roll up windows are not something that detracts from the
> >> value. It’s still a very nice car.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On Oct 23, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Massive inconvenience when it starts to rain.
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 3:06 PM Allan Streib 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
>  On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> 
>  Low optioned car with crank windows.
> 
> 
>  But what are the downsides?
> 
>  Allan
> 
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[MBZ] W116 ignition tumbler and key

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Greetings,

In case it is helpful for others, I'd like to relate my recent journey in 
attempting to avert ignition tumbler failure on my '79 W116.120 (300SD). All of 
the information below was confirmed with Tom Hanson at the Classic Centre.

Ignition tumblers coded to the vehicle are no longer available for W116 models. 
Fortunately, it is still possible to order a generic "service" ignition tumbler 
with a key that is not coded to the vehicle. The "service" tumbler may actually 
use a different style of key. My W116 has the so-called "sidewinder" key, but 
Tom mentioned that the service tumblers probably use the more 
conventional-style keys used in 107/114/115/123 models. And by the way, 
ignition tumblers for 107, 108, 114 and 115 are also NLA, even as an uncoded 
service part. Only the later 123 tumblers remain available.

I also ordered two replacement keys that ARE coded to the vehicle. These are 
still available, but under A2017600306 versus the original A0007600406, a fact 
that my local dealer was unable to determine.

My plan is to remove the existing ignition tumbler, replace with the service 
tumbler, then dismantle the old part. Sounds like the failure is caused by wear 
of the lock pins, which then protrude and cause the tumbler to lock in the 
housing. So I will take a look for that and make adjustments before cleaning, 
lubricating, and reassembling the tumbler.

If I'm REALLY lucky, Tom is wrong and the "service" tumbler also uses a 
sidewinder key. In that case, I will try to find a competent locksmith who can 
modify the coding of the generic tumbler to match the vehicle keying.

I posted on this (R107) thread:

https://www.benzworld.org/threads/apparently-mb-no-longer-makes-the-ignition-tumblers-for-our-cars-so.2067042/page-4

where there's a useful link to 
https://www.coolcatcorp.com/Mercedes/Lock190.html and this thread 
https://forum.w116.org/mechanicals/modifying-w123-lock-cylinder-to-fit-w116/ 
which give you an idea of the internal construction of the tumbler.

Anyway, I'll keep you all posted as things progress. If anyone knows of a 
competent automotive locksmith near San Francisco, please let me know!

D.

-- 
David Bruckmann, Temescal/Oakland, CA
Current Reality:
1966 Citroen DS21M Pallas "Celeste"
1972 Mercedes-Benz 280SEL 4.5 (160,000 km) "Blauer Engel"
1973 Mercedes-Benz 450SLC (210,000 km) "Lottie"
1976 Citroen 2CV6 (150,000 km) "Piaf"
1976 Mercedes-Benz 300D/8 (325,000 km) "Willow"
1979 Mercedes-Benz 300SD (270,000 km) "Tina"
Shady Past:
1970 Citroen DS21 Pallas (170,000 km) "Goettin"
1970 Mercedes-Benz 220/8 (250,000 km) "Blanche"
1971 Citroen DS21 Pallas (137,000 km), 1972 Citroen DS21 Pallas (502,000 km)
1978 Mercedes-Benz 300D (1,200,000 km or thereabouts) "Sieglinde"
1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD non-turbo (260,000 km)  "Diva"
1979 Mercedes-Benz 300D (425,000 km) "Liz"
1980 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston (120,000km), 1988 Merkur XR4Ti (209,000 km)
1981 Peugeot 505 GRD (350,000km), 1984 MB 300TD (385,000 km) "Gertraud"
1985 Toyota Camry (330,000 km) 1986 Renault 9 1.7L (155,000 km)
2002 VW Golf GLS TDI "The Hated Golf" (74,000 km)

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Re: [MBZ] 1970 280S - 93k miles - $12,500

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Y’all a buncha cranky ol mens 

--FT
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> On Oct 23, 2021, at 6:39 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> yes I drove crank windows for 50 years & never thought about it. But  I do
> agree with Andrew it is nice to roll up electric windows in my 82 300CD
> 
>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 4:04 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> He’s just being contrary because he can’t roll up the windows remotely
>> when it rains. Roll up windows are not something that detracts from the
>> value. It’s still a very nice car.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Oct 23, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Massive inconvenience when it starts to rain.
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 3:06 PM Allan Streib 
>> wrote:
>>> 
 On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
 
 Low optioned car with crank windows.
 
 
 But what are the downsides?
 
 Allan
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 2003 E55 AMG - 120k miles - $11,900

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It has an extra ZERO

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> On Oct 23, 2021, at 3:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> Ask the seller to define "interior is 9 out of 10".
> 
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>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ZERO issues and needs ZERO maintenance! It is an amazing car inside & out
>> with ZERO rust anywhere!
>> 
>> 
>> https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/d/arlington-heights-2003-mercedes-benz/7398102319.html
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Re: [MBZ] Undercarriage looks nasty but otherwise looks fairly nice 2001 Mercedes-Benz ML55 AMG - $7, 250 (Madeira Beach)

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Agreed. But there’s a sucker out there 

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> On Oct 23, 2021, at 4:05 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Still not a $7k ML in my opinion, eve if it is an AMG model.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Oct 23, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Looks more like mud than rust to me, though some rust is visible. Would need 
>> to be cleaned to really know.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, at 2:45 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I was looking at that earlier today. Some odd things about it, as well as 
>>> the undercarriage rust.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Oct 23, 2021, at 2:07 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 kinda high for 174kmi
 
 https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-2001-mercedes-benz/7398152983.html
 
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Re: [MBZ] My life is 90 degrees out of phase with reality

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He lives on the equator

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> On Oct 23, 2021, at 5:31 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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Re: [MBZ] 2011 MB C300 Wheel Touch Uo Paint?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Never tried finding touch-up paint for something that old, I would guess the 
dealer or perhaps online if you know the color code. But if you are not 
concerned about a perfect match maybe just go with the closest match at the 
local auto parts store. On something 10 years old that's been exposed to sun 
and weather, fresh paint is unlikely to be a perfect match to the existing 
paint anyway, even if it's the original factory color.

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> Does anyone know where I can get touch up paint for the rims on my 
> daughters 2011 MB C300?  She had a few minor mishaps with NYC curbs.  I tried 
> searching the Archives but had no luck.
> Thanks!
> Bob K
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[MBZ] 2011 MB C300 Wheel Touch Uo Paint?

[Robert Koziak via Mercedes]

Hi All,
        Does anyone know where I can get touch up paint for the rims on my 
daughters 2011 MB C300?  She had a few minor mishaps with NYC curbs.  I tried 
searching the Archives but had no luck.
Thanks!
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Re: [MBZ] 1970 280S - 93k miles - $12,500

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yes I drove crank windows for 50 years & never thought about it. But  I do
agree with Andrew it is nice to roll up electric windows in my 82 300CD

On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 4:04 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> He’s just being contrary because he can’t roll up the windows remotely
> when it rains. Roll up windows are not something that detracts from the
> value. It’s still a very nice car.
>
> -D
>
> > On Oct 23, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Massive inconvenience when it starts to rain.
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 3:06 PM Allan Streib 
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> >>
> >> Low optioned car with crank windows.
> >>
> >>
> >> But what are the downsides?
> >>
> >> Allan
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT VW Diesel Pickup Truck 1982 - $1,200 ran when parked

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pushing. I used to lust for these.

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> Don't see too many of these around. A shame it was left to rot.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] My life is 90 degrees out of phase with reality

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It has the new high traction tires as demonstrated by the photos, so it can
be parked at extreme angles for photography


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Re: [MBZ] OT VW Diesel Pickup Truck 1982 - $1,200 ran when parked

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Wonder if there’s anything left of the bed? Can’t tell from the pictures. 
Inside looks pretty clean.

-D

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> 
> Don't see too many of these around. A shame it was left to rot.
> 
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[MBZ] OT VW Diesel Pickup Truck 1982 - $1,200 ran when parked

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Don't see too many of these around. A shame it was left to rot.

https://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/d/bloomington-vw-diesel-pickup-truck-1982/7398191157.html

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[MBZ] My life is 90 degrees out of phase with reality

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https://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/d/willowbrook-2010-mercedes-benz-c300/7398145126.html
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Re: [MBZ] Undercarriage looks nasty but otherwise looks fairly nice 2001 Mercedes-Benz ML55 AMG - $7, 250 (Madeira Beach)

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Still not a $7k ML in my opinion, eve if it is an AMG model.

-D

> On Oct 23, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> 
> Looks more like mud than rust to me, though some rust is visible. Would need 
> to be cleaned to really know.
> 
> Allan
> 
> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, at 2:45 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> I was looking at that earlier today. Some odd things about it, as well as 
>> the undercarriage rust.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Oct 23, 2021, at 2:07 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> kinda high for 174kmi
>>> 
>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-2001-mercedes-benz/7398152983.html
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1970 280S - 93k miles - $12,500

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He’s just being contrary because he can’t roll up the windows remotely when it 
rains. Roll up windows are not something that detracts from the value. It’s 
still a very nice car.

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> On Oct 23, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> Massive inconvenience when it starts to rain.
> 
> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 3:06 PM Allan Streib  wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>> 
>> Low optioned car with crank windows.
>> 
>> 
>> But what are the downsides?
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1970 280S - 93k miles - $12,500

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Massive inconvenience when it starts to rain.

On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 3:06 PM Allan Streib  wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
> Low optioned car with crank windows.
>
>
> But what are the downsides?
>
> Allan
>
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Re: [MBZ] 2003 E55 AMG - 120k miles - $11,900

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Ask the seller to define "interior is 9 out of 10".

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> ZERO issues and needs ZERO maintenance! It is an amazing car inside & out
> with ZERO rust anywhere!
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1970 280S - 93k miles - $12,500

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On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> Low optioned car with crank windows.

But what are the downsides?

Allan

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[MBZ] 2003 E55 AMG - 120k miles - $11,900

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ZERO issues and needs ZERO maintenance! It is an amazing car inside & out with 
ZERO rust anywhere!

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/d/arlington-heights-2003-mercedes-benz/7398102319.html

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Re: [MBZ] Undercarriage looks nasty but otherwise looks fairly nice 2001 Mercedes-Benz ML55 AMG - $7, 250 (Madeira Beach)

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Looks more like mud than rust to me, though some rust is visible. Would need to 
be cleaned to really know.

Allan

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> I was looking at that earlier today. Some odd things about it, as well as the 
> undercarriage rust.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Oct 23, 2021, at 2:07 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> > kinda high for 174kmi
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] Undercarriage looks nasty but otherwise looks fairly nice 2001 Mercedes-Benz ML55 AMG - $7, 250 (Madeira Beach)

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I was looking at that earlier today. Some odd things about it, as well as the 
undercarriage rust.

-D

> On Oct 23, 2021, at 2:07 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> kinda high for 174kmi
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-2001-mercedes-benz/7398152983.html
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[MBZ] Undercarriage looks nasty but otherwise looks fairly nice 2001 Mercedes-Benz ML55 AMG - $7, 250 (Madeira Beach)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

kinda high for 174kmi

https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-2001-mercedes-benz/7398152983.html

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Re: [MBZ] Truck lift

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OK, now test your desired lift position by taking the keys out of any car,
and pushing it by hand, by yourself, to the lift.
Then decide if you truly want the lift at an angle.
Just my suggestion having done it a few times, by myself.

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> ROFL.
>
> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 1:49 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> > did you take those pics with a potato?
> >
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> > On 10/23/21 1:30 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > > Back to the 2 post lift. Here it is with the posts in the same forward
> > position as before. First set of photos are with the front door opening
> > behind the posts, which leaves a whole lot hanging out the back. Seems to
> > be plenty of room to work in the front. Next set of photos are with the
> > truck pulled forward with the posts in line with the b pillar. Still
> seems
> > ok but more tight up front. This is a Duramax so it’s very nose heavy
> > anyway so the first position might be OK?
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Re: [MBZ] Truck lift

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ROFL.

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> did you take those pics with a potato?
>
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>
> On 10/23/21 1:30 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > Back to the 2 post lift. Here it is with the posts in the same forward
> position as before. First set of photos are with the front door opening
> behind the posts, which leaves a whole lot hanging out the back. Seems to
> be plenty of room to work in the front. Next set of photos are with the
> truck pulled forward with the posts in line with the b pillar. Still seems
> ok but more tight up front. This is a Duramax so it’s very nose heavy
> anyway so the first position might be OK?
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Re: [MBZ] Truck lift

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did you take those pics with a potato?

You have a bright future on CL and FB

--FT

On 10/23/21 1:30 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Back to the 2 post lift. Here it is with the posts in the same forward position 
as before. First set of photos are with the front door opening behind the 
posts, which leaves a whole lot hanging out the back. Seems to be plenty of 
room to work in the front. Next set of photos are with the truck pulled forward 
with the posts in line with the b pillar. Still seems ok but more tight up 
front. This is a Duramax so it’s very nose heavy anyway so the first position 
might be OK?



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Re: [MBZ] Why bother

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The guy wrapped a strap or two around the engine and dropped the steering 
subframe which I guess the engine mounts too, I wasn’t watching. Lowered the 
whole deal then unbolted the engine and whatever then lifted it up and out. Guy 
knew what he was doing, it would probably take me 3 days to do it. 

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> That is how the ones around here are.  I have just never pulled an engine 
> before at one.
> 
>> On 10/23/2021 11:51 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> They have 3 rolling crane chain hoists there, once you get it pulled then 
>> you can drag it up to the building on that thing.  Or they have these carts 
>> with 4?car tires on them you could drop it on and pull that up which might 
>> be easier. The lot is like 3” gravel so dragging stuff is not easy on that. 
>> They have a bunch of wheelbarrows too to haul your tools and parts and such. 
>> It’s not a bad setup really.
>> 
>> --FT
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>>> 
>>> Is that at a pnp? I have wanted to pull engines there but never have. Do 
>>> they bring the a frame down to you or what?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Why bother

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That is how the ones around here are.  I have just never pulled an 
engine before at one.


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They have 3 rolling crane chain hoists there, once you get it pulled then you 
can drag it up to the building on that thing.  Or they have these carts with 
4?car tires on them you could drop it on and pull that up which might be 
easier. The lot is like 3” gravel so dragging stuff is not easy on that. They 
have a bunch of wheelbarrows too to haul your tools and parts and such. It’s 
not a bad setup really.

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Is that at a pnp? I have wanted to pull engines there but never have. Do they 
bring the a frame down to you or what?

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With just the trans when you can get the whole damn thing




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Re: [MBZ] Why bother

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They have 3 rolling crane chain hoists there, once you get it pulled then you 
can drag it up to the building on that thing.  Or they have these carts with 
4?car tires on them you could drop it on and pull that up which might be 
easier. The lot is like 3” gravel so dragging stuff is not easy on that. They 
have a bunch of wheelbarrows too to haul your tools and parts and such. It’s 
not a bad setup really. 

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> 
> Is that at a pnp? I have wanted to pull engines there but never have. Do 
> they bring the a frame down to you or what?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Oct 23, 2021, at 11:07 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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>> With just the trans when you can get the whole damn thing
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Why bother

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Top bolts are usually impossible to access in the car, especially on models 
designed for one engine but later "updated" to a larger one.


On Oct 23, 2021, at 11:37 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

> Yeah he got a bunch of bolts out but not the top ones so he just pulled the 
> whole deal. Was actually probably easier to do that than fool with it under 
> the car
> 
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>> 
>> On several Benz models it is nearly impossible to remove the transmission 
>> from the engine in the car.  My brother's 75 W114 was like that, had two 
>> upper transmission bolts missing, you can get them out but not back in with 
>> the engine in the car.
>> 
>> Less likely to drop the transmission of a jack too.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 23, 2021, at 11:07 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
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>>> With just the trans when you can get the whole damn thing
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Interesting Trivia

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Talking to this guy at LKQ today he says his nephew (who is also A parts puller 
there) bought a 2010 E430 (I think that was it) from a guy who brought it in to 
sell as the air shocks (which I guess the car has) were collapsed and he didn’t 
want to pay for new ones so he was going to sell it to LKQ. The nephew bought 
it from him for $700. They were going to fix it this afternoon with shocks from 
somewhere, then flip it. If it’s in decent shape that’s probably $6-7k at 
least. 

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> Yes CFC really screwed up the used car business even to this day. 
> 
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>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 2021-10-23 08:53, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Got this from the monthly Rock Auto newsletter:
>>> "Why is it harder to buy (newer) used cars built between 2009 and 2011
>>> than it is to buy (older) used cars built between 2005 and 2007?"
>>> "About 25% fewer new cars were sold from 2009-2011 compared to
>>> 2005-2007. Fewer new cars sold back then means fewer used cars
>>> available today.”
>>> Interesting.
>> 
>> Did Cash for Clunkers have any lasting effect on the supply of turn of the 
>> century vehicles? I suppose that by now, anything that wasn't too expensive 
>> for CFC in 2009 would be considered scrap today if it wasn't scrapped in 
>> 2009.
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Re: [MBZ] Why bother

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Is that at a pnp? I have wanted to pull engines there but never have. Do they 
bring the a frame down to you or what?

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Re: [MBZ] Why bother

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Yeah he got a bunch of bolts out but not the top ones so he just pulled the 
whole deal. Was actually probably easier to do that than fool with it under the 
car

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> On Oct 23, 2021, at 12:23 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
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> 
> On several Benz models it is nearly impossible to remove the transmission 
> from the engine in the car.  My brother's 75 W114 was like that, had two 
> upper transmission bolts missing, you can get them out but not back in with 
> the engine in the car.
> 
> Less likely to drop the transmission of a jack too.
> 
> 
>> On Oct 23, 2021, at 11:07 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> With just the trans when you can get the whole damn thing
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1970 280S - 93k miles - $12,500

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Low optioned car with crank windows.  Passs.

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> Agreed. Would be nice to see pics of underside and under the trunk floor
> mat.
>
> Tempted to go look at it but don't have room for another car right now.
>
> Allan
>
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021, at 8:25 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> > Based on what I can see that looks like a really nice example. The wood
> is solid and the interior is clean, looks like it was stored well. If it’s
> been driven occasionally and is in running order the price isn’t
> unrealistic. It’s a beautiful car, and an example of one of my favorite
> W108s. Only thing that could make it better would be fuel injection, but
> that’s not a big ding.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Oct 22, 2021, at 7:30 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > "Car has been stored and covered in a heated, humidity controlled,
> shop since 2009"
> > >
> > > Not sure whether that means not driven since 2009? He seems to imply
> that he drives it occasionally. Looks pretty nice. What are these worth?
> > >
> > >
> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/avon-1970-mercedes-benz-280s/7397812909.html
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Re: [MBZ] Why bother

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On several Benz models it is nearly impossible to remove the transmission from 
the engine in the car.  My brother's 75 W114 was like that, had two upper 
transmission bolts missing, you can get them out but not back in with the 
engine in the car.

Less likely to drop the transmission of a jack too.


On Oct 23, 2021, at 11:07 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

> With just the trans when you can get the whole damn thing
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Why bother

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I was paying the guy to pull the trans, it was easier to drop the front 
steering frame then pull the whole deal. He had it up on the lift so I said I 
should just get the whole deal. I went in and negotiated a bit, $600 for the 
whole package. I don’t need it but the accessories are worth a good bit of I 
need them at some point, alternator, AC compressor, coil packs, other bits. It 
is mostly complete, someone grabbed a few bits off it. 

I was tempted to grab the whole front steering set up too, has the rack in it. 
I did pull the front air shocks too so have a spare set of those. New ones are 
spendy, these look fine. 

I have to go back tomorrow with my trailer to get the engine+trans, I’ll ask 
what that whole front end would be. 

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> That's one way to do it...
> 
> -D
> 
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> On Oct 23, 2021, at 12:07 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
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> With just the trans when you can get the whole damn thing
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Why bother

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

That's one way to do it...

-D


On Oct 23, 2021, at 12:07 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

With just the trans when you can get the whole damn thing




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Re: [MBZ] Nice 05E500 at LKQ, knackering today

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How close are you to LKQ?

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 6:15 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> I was going to send in the old conductor plate from the $900 04E500 to get
> it swapped for a new one, $850. This kid on a 211 FB group has a business
> to do all kinds of Benz computer stuff including reflashing tranny modules
> if i send one to him, $400. So got me thinking I should find one to send
> in.
>
> I looked at the local knackers and LKQ had a recent 05E500 so I went there
> to see about getting the transmission out of it. The whole tranny is $245
> and some guy there will pull it for $200. Seems reasonable, all I have to
> do is pick it up, no drama as those things are heavy and a PITA to pull.
> So he’s going to do that in the morning.
>
> The car was the same color as my E320 211 wagon and in really nice shape.
> It had high end options. Not clear why it was knackered. It had been picked
> over some but I pulled a pair of xenon headlights (need polishing), washer
> bottle pumps for the wagon, a mirror and some other random stuff. Not sure
> what’s involved with retrofitting xenons but I know it is done.
>
> I wanted to get the front air shocks but the bottom bolt was really tight
> and I didn’t have a breaker bar. I’ll get them in the morning. The rear
> bags looked beat so I didn’t get them.  The shocks looked fairly standard,
> I wonder if I should pull them.  I am now thinking I should pull the
> fenders off if I ever need them for my wagon as no paint would be needed.
> Hell maybe even the hood.
>
> I talked to this guy who has some deal there for pulling stuff and he’s
> going to pull the tranny tomorrow morning. I’ll use the conductor plate for
> the $900E500 and get that running then see about pulling the guts from it
> for this 06ML500 that has a bad tranny, do a guts transplant. That should
> be an interesting project.
>
> I’ll save $450 on the CP deal from the place I was going to send it so
> that should cover the cost of the tranny plus I’ll have solenoids and other
> stuff from it.
>
> Yay me.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Interesting Trivia

[G Mann via Mercedes]

It was a perfect storm, generated by the brains of those who lobby
congress... The great crash of 2008 left people out of work, broke, and
underwater on their house mortgages. They were not able to buy a new car
when the garage they would keep it in was in foreclosure.
Then, CFC program came out to sweep available cheap cars off the trading
floor and "stimulate" new car sales [remember Chevy was bankrupt?, and
Chrysler? Ford was the only car company with its head above water [barely]
 Banks would not make car loans unless you were so rich you didn't need
one, because they were busted and living on "bailout money".
To force new car sales [stimulate was the magic word used] the government
bought and crushed anything that would run or tow into the CFC lot.
2009 through 2011 were lean years for car sales... and everyone else...
Then, slowly, people went back to work, banks loaned money, houses built
and sold, new cars
It's been a hard run since 2008 and the fallout is still falling out.
$10.00 per gallon gas [coming real soon] is another social engineering
program to stimulate EV car sales. [That magic word again "stimulate"] ...
more electric generation ignored to feed those EV cars..
Reporter: Dr. Einstein, what is the difference between ignorance and genius?
Dr. Einstein: There is no shortage of ignorance.

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> Yes CFC really screwed up the used car business even to this day.
>
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> > On Oct 23, 2021, at 8:02 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes <
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> > On 2021-10-23 08:53, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Got this from the monthly Rock Auto newsletter:
> >> "Why is it harder to buy (newer) used cars built between 2009 and 2011
> >> than it is to buy (older) used cars built between 2005 and 2007?"
> >> "About 25% fewer new cars were sold from 2009-2011 compared to
> >> 2005-2007. Fewer new cars sold back then means fewer used cars
> >> available today.”
> >> Interesting.
> >
> > Did Cash for Clunkers have any lasting effect on the supply of turn of
> the century vehicles? I suppose that by now, anything that wasn't too
> expensive for CFC in 2009 would be considered scrap today if it wasn't
> scrapped in 2009.
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Re: [MBZ] Interesting Trivia

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Yes CFC really screwed up the used car business even to this day. 

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> On Oct 23, 2021, at 8:02 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
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> On 2021-10-23 08:53, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Got this from the monthly Rock Auto newsletter:
>> "Why is it harder to buy (newer) used cars built between 2009 and 2011
>> than it is to buy (older) used cars built between 2005 and 2007?"
>> "About 25% fewer new cars were sold from 2009-2011 compared to
>> 2005-2007. Fewer new cars sold back then means fewer used cars
>> available today.”
>> Interesting.
> 
> Did Cash for Clunkers have any lasting effect on the supply of turn of the 
> century vehicles? I suppose that by now, anything that wasn't too expensive 
> for CFC in 2009 would be considered scrap today if it wasn't scrapped in 2009.
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Re: [MBZ] Interesting Trivia

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On 2021-10-23 08:53, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Got this from the monthly Rock Auto newsletter:

"Why is it harder to buy (newer) used cars built between 2009 and 2011
than it is to buy (older) used cars built between 2005 and 2007?"

"About 25% fewer new cars were sold from 2009-2011 compared to
2005-2007. Fewer new cars sold back then means fewer used cars
available today.”

Interesting.


Did Cash for Clunkers have any lasting effect on the supply of turn of 
the century vehicles? I suppose that by now, anything that wasn't too 
expensive for CFC in 2009 would be considered scrap today if it wasn't 
scrapped in 2009.


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[MBZ] Interesting Trivia

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Got this from the monthly Rock Auto newsletter:

"Why is it harder to buy (newer) used cars built between 2009 and 2011 than it 
is to buy (older) used cars built between 2005 and 2007?"

"About 25% fewer new cars were sold from 2009-2011 compared to 2005-2007. Fewer 
new cars sold back then means fewer used cars available today.”

Interesting.

-D
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[MBZ] Same car as the other day? 2016 Mercedes Maybach - $94, 900 (Cornelius, NC)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Looks the same but maybe not

https://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/d/cornelius-2016-mercedes-maybach/7397617112.html

The other day Allan posted this one: 
https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/greenwood-2016-mercedes-benz-s600/7396379795.html


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[MBZ] needs front breaks and needs a ignition switch but can start it so you can hear fun 1983 Mercedes sd (Liberty sc)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

trying to sell for a decent price or will be willing to maybe trade just 
message me and lmk or just make offers plse no low balls this is a very 
good car


https://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/d/liberty-1983-mercedes-sd/7397861435.html

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