date:20211024

Rare 10-cylinder model.

Completely random photos.

https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/d/cincinnati-1980-mecedes-450-sl/7398646983.html

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Re: [MBZ] Shop air

I've done 3 shops now using schedule 40 PVC pipe, with drain valves below
each quick disconnect on a 24 inch stub, and have had zero issues with it.
No rust issues with PVC pipe and use the drain valves to blow down the
system frequently which keeps water condensate out of the air tools.
I also plumbed in a main system shutoff ball valve right at the compressor,
and made it part of the daily drill to shut off the compressor circuit
breaker and close the ball valve. I do this because I'm often gone for days
at a time and I don't want the compressor to run continuously should
anything happen with the air system while I'm away.
The systems in the first two shops are now owned by new owners, and they
are still working with no issues.  Compressor working pressure is set at
160 PSI and schedule 40 is rated for burst pressure of 400 PSI for 3/4 PVC
pipe.
https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/pvc-cpvc-pipes-pressures-d_796.html
Just follow the assembly protocol for gluing all the joints and fittings
and use plenty of mount clamps so it doesn't sag on long runs and you
should be up and running for a long time to come. Tip, always use a mount
clamp at each quick disconnect to reduce strain when you yank on the hose
from 30 ft away.

On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 6:48 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I may just go with black iron as I originally planned.  I pulled out a
> bunch of it plus the valves from my buddies barn when he moved.  I just
> figured this flexible hose thing would be easier to install but maybe not.
>
> On 10/24/2021 7:24 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> > Or that would introduce potential safety issues. Compressed air can be
> nasty stuff and do some serious damage.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Oct 24, 2021, at 8:10 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes, what Allen said. Don't cheap out on things that will limit your
> >> ability to use your tools to their full potential.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 6:52 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think 1/2" OD would be pretty constricting for any high-volume
> >>> applications such as large impact wrenches or painting. That's probably
> >>> 3/8" ID at best, likely less.
> >>>
> >>> Look at the highest CFM requirements of the tools you would be using
> and
> >>> see what diameter piping you need given the length of the tube/pipe run
> >>> between your compressor and the work location.
> >>>
> >>> Allan
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Oct 24, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>  How would this compare to what OK don got, it is quite a bit cheaper.
> 
> 
> >>>
> https://www.amazon.com/Tailonz-Pneumatic-Tubing-Transfer-tubing/dp/B08FQSDNBG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=3FU5QMQQD9DN4&dchild=1&keywords=shop%2Bair%2Bline%2Bsystems&qid=1635112355&sprefix=shop%2Bair%2Blin%2Caps%2C388&sr=8-1-spons&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExRFJQTjQzV0E0UThYJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNzc3NjQ3MktWMDVNUFRVOVJBWCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNDEzMjE4MklOOTdOREhNQzhQOSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1
> 
>  On 10/24/2021 5:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rapid-Air-Maxline-M7500-3-4-Compressed-Air-Line-Piping-System-/393637979605?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0
> >
> >>>
> https://www.amazon.com/Maxline-M7500-Master-4-Inch-100-Feet/dp/B005FKYRTU/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=maxline+7500&qid=1635115597&sr=8-3
> > Ok Don installed this in his hangar with some additional outlets and
> >>> stuff. Pricy, but it won't fail.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > 
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> > 
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> > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: ka...@striplin.net
> > Subject: [MBZ] Shop air
> >
> > There was some discussion a while back on one of these lists about
> shop
> > air lines.  Somebody had bought some kits off amazon that include
> line,
> > valves, etc.  Ring any bells?  Can somebody refresh my memory on
> these?
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Re: [MBZ] Shop air

2021-10-24 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Because the galvanized coating can flake off and end up in your tools.


Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Shop air

Supposedly galvanized is not recommended, not sure why

On 10/24/2021 9:01 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> What is the "black" in black iron pipe? Is it just some kind of stain or 
> paint? I know it can still rust. I thought galvanized was recommended for 
> compressed air.
>
> Allan
>
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2021, at 9:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> I may just go with black iron as I originally planned.  I pulled out a
>> bunch of it plus the valves from my buddies barn when he moved.  I just
>> figured this flexible hose thing would be easier to install but maybe not.
>>
>> On 10/24/2021 7:24 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Or that would introduce potential safety issues. Compressed air can be 
>>> nasty stuff and do some serious damage.
>>>
>>> -D
>>>
 On Oct 24, 2021, at 8:10 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
 wrote:

 Yes, what Allen said. Don't cheap out on things that will limit your
 ability to use your tools to their full potential.

 On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 6:52 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I think 1/2" OD would be pretty constricting for any high-volume
> applications such as large impact wrenches or painting. That's probably
> 3/8" ID at best, likely less.
>
> Look at the highest CFM requirements of the tools you would be using and
> see what diameter piping you need given the length of the tube/pipe run
> between your compressor and the work location.
>
> Allan
>
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> How would this compare to what OK don got, it is quite a bit cheaper.
>>
>>
> https://www.amazon.com/Tailonz-Pneumatic-Tubing-Transfer-tubing/dp/B08FQSDNBG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=3FU5QMQQD9DN4&dchild=1&keywords=shop%2Bair%2Bline%2Bsystems&qid=1635112355&sprefix=shop%2Bair%2Blin%2Caps%2C388&sr=8-1-spons&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExRFJQTjQzV0E0UThYJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNzc3NjQ3MktWMDVNUFRVOVJBWCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNDEzMjE4MklOOTdOREhNQzhQOSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1
>> On 10/24/2021 5:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rapid-Air-Maxline-M7500-3-4-Compressed-Air-Line-Piping-System-/393637979605?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0
> https://www.amazon.com/Maxline-M7500-Master-4-Inch-100-Feet/dp/B005FKYRTU/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=maxline+7500&qid=1635115597&sr=8-3
>>> Ok Don installed this in his hangar with some additional outlets and
> stuff. Pricy, but it won't fail.
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> 
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>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Cc: ka...@striplin.net
>>> Subject: [MBZ] Shop air
>>>
>>> There was some discussion a while back on one of these lists about shop
>>> air lines.  Somebody had bought some kits off amazon that include line,
>>> valves, etc.  Ring any bells?  Can somebody refresh my memory on these?
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Shop air

2021-10-24 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

You could cheap out and use PEX and black iron or copper. You will have to 
invest in the tools for PEX tubing though.

https://youtu.be/40kHcnGjw78

This young fellow used copper. At the present time, it would be too much money.

https://youtu.be/GCLNbb-n_PQ

Another couple votes for PEX.

https://youtu.be/EPAG5uB9Am8

https://youtu.be/hd7OhsyInkw


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Supposedly galvanized is not recommended, not sure why

On 10/24/2021 9:01 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

What is the "black" in black iron pipe? Is it just some kind of stain or paint? 
I know it can still rust. I thought galvanized was recommended for compressed air.

Allan

On Sun, Oct 24, 2021, at 9:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I may just go with black iron as I originally planned.  I pulled out a
bunch of it plus the valves from my buddies barn when he moved.  I just
figured this flexible hose thing would be easier to install but maybe not.

On 10/24/2021 7:24 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Or that would introduce potential safety issues. Compressed air can be nasty 
stuff and do some serious damage.

-D


On Oct 24, 2021, at 8:10 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:

Yes, what Allen said. Don't cheap out on things that will limit your
ability to use your tools to their full potential.

On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 6:52 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I think 1/2" OD would be pretty constricting for any high-volume
applications such as large impact wrenches or painting. That's probably
3/8" ID at best, likely less.

Look at the highest CFM requirements of the tools you would be using and
see what diameter piping you need given the length of the tube/pipe run
between your compressor and the work location.

Allan

On Sun, Oct 24, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

How would this compare to what OK don got, it is quite a bit cheaper.



https://www.amazon.com/Tailonz-Pneumatic-Tubing-Transfer-tubing/dp/B08FQSDNBG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=3FU5QMQQD9DN4&dchild=1&keywords=shop%2Bair%2Bline%2Bsystems&qid=1635112355&sprefix=shop%2Bair%2Blin%2Caps%2C388&sr=8-1-spons&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExRFJQTjQzV0E0UThYJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNzc3NjQ3MktWMDVNUFRVOVJBWCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNDEzMjE4MklOOTdOREhNQzhQOSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1

On 10/24/2021 5:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rapid-Air-Maxline-M7500-3-4-Compressed-Air-Line-Piping-System-/393637979605?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0
https://www.amazon.com/Maxline-M7500-Master-4-Inch-100-Feet/dp/B005FKYRTU/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=maxline+7500&qid=1635115597&sr=8-3

Ok Don installed this in his hangar with some additional outlets and

stuff. Pricy, but it won't fail.

Rick


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Subject: [MBZ] Shop air

There was some discussion a while back on one of these lists about shop
air lines.  Somebody had bought some kits off amazon that include line,
valves, etc.  Ring any bells?  Can somebody refresh my memory on these?


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What is the "black" in black iron pipe? Is it just some kind of stain or paint? 
I know it can still rust. I thought galvanized was recommended for compressed 
air.

Allan

On Sun, Oct 24, 2021, at 9:47 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> I may just go with black iron as I originally planned.  I pulled out a 
> bunch of it plus the valves from my buddies barn when he moved.  I just 
> figured this flexible hose thing would be easier to install but maybe not.
> 
> On 10/24/2021 7:24 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> > Or that would introduce potential safety issues. Compressed air can be 
> > nasty stuff and do some serious damage.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Oct 24, 2021, at 8:10 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes, what Allen said. Don't cheap out on things that will limit your
> >> ability to use your tools to their full potential.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 6:52 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think 1/2" OD would be pretty constricting for any high-volume
> >>> applications such as large impact wrenches or painting. That's probably
> >>> 3/8" ID at best, likely less.
> >>>
> >>> Look at the highest CFM requirements of the tools you would be using and
> >>> see what diameter piping you need given the length of the tube/pipe run
> >>> between your compressor and the work location.
> >>>
> >>> Allan
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Oct 24, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>  How would this compare to what OK don got, it is quite a bit cheaper.
> 
> 
> >>> https://www.amazon.com/Tailonz-Pneumatic-Tubing-Transfer-tubing/dp/B08FQSDNBG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=3FU5QMQQD9DN4&dchild=1&keywords=shop%2Bair%2Bline%2Bsystems&qid=1635112355&sprefix=shop%2Bair%2Blin%2Caps%2C388&sr=8-1-spons&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExRFJQTjQzV0E0UThYJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNzc3NjQ3MktWMDVNUFRVOVJBWCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNDEzMjE4MklOOTdOREhNQzhQOSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1
> 
>  On 10/24/2021 5:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rapid-Air-Maxline-M7500-3-4-Compressed-Air-Line-Piping-System-/393637979605?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0
> >
> >>> https://www.amazon.com/Maxline-M7500-Master-4-Inch-100-Feet/dp/B005FKYRTU/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=maxline+7500&qid=1635115597&sr=8-3
> > Ok Don installed this in his hangar with some additional outlets and
> >>> stuff. Pricy, but it won't fail.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > 
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> > Cc: ka...@striplin.net
> > Subject: [MBZ] Shop air
> >
> > There was some discussion a while back on one of these lists about shop
> > air lines.  Somebody had bought some kits off amazon that include line,
> > valves, etc.  Ring any bells?  Can somebody refresh my memory on these?
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Re: [MBZ] Shop air

I may just go with black iron as I originally planned.  I pulled out a 
bunch of it plus the valves from my buddies barn when he moved.  I just 
figured this flexible hose thing would be easier to install but maybe not.


On 10/24/2021 7:24 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Or that would introduce potential safety issues. Compressed air can be nasty 
stuff and do some serious damage.

-D


On Oct 24, 2021, at 8:10 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:

Yes, what Allen said. Don't cheap out on things that will limit your
ability to use your tools to their full potential.

On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 6:52 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I think 1/2" OD would be pretty constricting for any high-volume
applications such as large impact wrenches or painting. That's probably
3/8" ID at best, likely less.

Look at the highest CFM requirements of the tools you would be using and
see what diameter piping you need given the length of the tube/pipe run
between your compressor and the work location.

Allan

On Sun, Oct 24, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

How would this compare to what OK don got, it is quite a bit cheaper.



https://www.amazon.com/Tailonz-Pneumatic-Tubing-Transfer-tubing/dp/B08FQSDNBG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=3FU5QMQQD9DN4&dchild=1&keywords=shop%2Bair%2Bline%2Bsystems&qid=1635112355&sprefix=shop%2Bair%2Blin%2Caps%2C388&sr=8-1-spons&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExRFJQTjQzV0E0UThYJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNzc3NjQ3MktWMDVNUFRVOVJBWCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNDEzMjE4MklOOTdOREhNQzhQOSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1


On 10/24/2021 5:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rapid-Air-Maxline-M7500-3-4-Compressed-Air-Line-Piping-System-/393637979605?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0



https://www.amazon.com/Maxline-M7500-Master-4-Inch-100-Feet/dp/B005FKYRTU/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=maxline+7500&qid=1635115597&sr=8-3

Ok Don installed this in his hangar with some additional outlets and

stuff. Pricy, but it won't fail.


Rick


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Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: ka...@striplin.net
Subject: [MBZ] Shop air

There was some discussion a while back on one of these lists about shop
air lines.  Somebody had bought some kits off amazon that include line,
valves, etc.  Ring any bells?  Can somebody refresh my memory on these?


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Re: [MBZ] motor mounts

2021-10-24 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Send an email to Tom Hanson at the Classic Center.  He will sort it out for
you.  Just ask for the correct part number.   thomas.han...@mbusa.com



On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 8:59 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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> More motor mount questions:
>
> Does anyone know if the motor mounts for a 115 and a 123 are the same?
>
> My issue is that my car is a 1976 115 300D. Mercedes started making the
> 123 in late 1976 so both models were available that year.
>
> Do I need to find ones expressly for the 115? That is proving more
> difficult to do. I have tried searching for 1975 instead of 1976 but
> there does not seem to be much offered.
>
> Neither FCP Euro nor Autohaus AZ lists motor mounts for the 115.
>
> MBZ has Uro.
>
> Rockauto has different ones for 1975 than 1976. The ones listed for 1975
> are sort of no-name things I have never heard of so likely Chinese or?
> They have Anchor and Pioneer brands listed for the 1975 300D.
>
> Thoughts?
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Re: [MBZ] motor mounts

2021-10-24 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes


More motor mount questions:

Does anyone know if the motor mounts for a 115 and a 123 are the same?

My issue is that my car is a 1976 115 300D. Mercedes started making the 
123 in late 1976 so both models were available that year.


Do I need to find ones expressly for the 115? That is proving more 
difficult to do. I have tried searching for 1975 instead of 1976 but 
there does not seem to be much offered.


Neither FCP Euro nor Autohaus AZ lists motor mounts for the 115.

MBZ has Uro.

Rockauto has different ones for 1975 than 1976. The ones listed for 1975 
are sort of no-name things I have never heard of so likely Chinese or? 
They have Anchor and Pioneer brands listed for the 1975 300D.


Thoughts?

Randy



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Re: [MBZ] Shop air

 Anybody that tells you "It's just air" has never seen one of those big 
hovercrafts go by...
-Curt

On Sunday, October 24, 2021, 08:39:13 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Surprising and not necessarily intuitive how much energy can be stored in gas 
compression.

Look up "widowmaker" split-rim truck wheels (no longer used).

Allan

On Sun, Oct 24, 2021, at 8:24 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Or that would introduce potential safety issues. Compressed air can be nasty 
> stuff and do some serious damage.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Oct 24, 2021, at 8:10 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Yes, what Allen said. Don't cheap out on things that will limit your
> > ability to use your tools to their full potential.
> > 
> > On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 6:52 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> I think 1/2" OD would be pretty constricting for any high-volume
> >> applications such as large impact wrenches or painting. That's probably
> >> 3/8" ID at best, likely less.
> >> 
> >> Look at the highest CFM requirements of the tools you would be using and
> >> see what diameter piping you need given the length of the tube/pipe run
> >> between your compressor and the work location.
> >> 
> >> Allan
> >> 
> >> On Sun, Oct 24, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> How would this compare to what OK don got, it is quite a bit cheaper.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >> https://www.amazon.com/Tailonz-Pneumatic-Tubing-Transfer-tubing/dp/B08FQSDNBG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=3FU5QMQQD9DN4&dchild=1&keywords=shop%2Bair%2Bline%2Bsystems&qid=1635112355&sprefix=shop%2Bair%2Blin%2Caps%2C388&sr=8-1-spons&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExRFJQTjQzV0E0UThYJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNzc3NjQ3MktWMDVNUFRVOVJBWCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNDEzMjE4MklOOTdOREhNQzhQOSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On 10/24/2021 5:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
>  
> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rapid-Air-Maxline-M7500-3-4-Compressed-Air-Line-Piping-System-/393637979605?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0
>  
>  
> >> https://www.amazon.com/Maxline-M7500-Master-4-Inch-100-Feet/dp/B005FKYRTU/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=maxline+7500&qid=1635115597&sr=8-3
>  
>  Ok Don installed this in his hangar with some additional outlets and
> >> stuff. Pricy, but it won't fail.
>  
>  
>  Rick
>  
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>  
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>  Cc: ka...@striplin.net
>  Subject: [MBZ] Shop air
>  
>  There was some discussion a while back on one of these lists about shop
>  air lines.  Somebody had bought some kits off amazon that include line,
>  valves, etc.  Ring any bells?  Can somebody refresh my memory on these?
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Re: [MBZ] Shop air

Surprising and not necessarily intuitive how much energy can be stored in gas 
compression.

Look up "widowmaker" split-rim truck wheels (no longer used).

Allan

On Sun, Oct 24, 2021, at 8:24 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Or that would introduce potential safety issues. Compressed air can be nasty 
> stuff and do some serious damage.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Oct 24, 2021, at 8:10 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Yes, what Allen said. Don't cheap out on things that will limit your
> > ability to use your tools to their full potential.
> > 
> > On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 6:52 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> I think 1/2" OD would be pretty constricting for any high-volume
> >> applications such as large impact wrenches or painting. That's probably
> >> 3/8" ID at best, likely less.
> >> 
> >> Look at the highest CFM requirements of the tools you would be using and
> >> see what diameter piping you need given the length of the tube/pipe run
> >> between your compressor and the work location.
> >> 
> >> Allan
> >> 
> >> On Sun, Oct 24, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> How would this compare to what OK don got, it is quite a bit cheaper.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >> https://www.amazon.com/Tailonz-Pneumatic-Tubing-Transfer-tubing/dp/B08FQSDNBG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=3FU5QMQQD9DN4&dchild=1&keywords=shop%2Bair%2Bline%2Bsystems&qid=1635112355&sprefix=shop%2Bair%2Blin%2Caps%2C388&sr=8-1-spons&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExRFJQTjQzV0E0UThYJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNzc3NjQ3MktWMDVNUFRVOVJBWCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNDEzMjE4MklOOTdOREhNQzhQOSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On 10/24/2021 5:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
>  
> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rapid-Air-Maxline-M7500-3-4-Compressed-Air-Line-Piping-System-/393637979605?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0
>  
>  
> >> https://www.amazon.com/Maxline-M7500-Master-4-Inch-100-Feet/dp/B005FKYRTU/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=maxline+7500&qid=1635115597&sr=8-3
>  
>  Ok Don installed this in his hangar with some additional outlets and
> >> stuff. Pricy, but it won't fail.
>  
>  
>  Rick
>  
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>  
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>  Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>  Cc: ka...@striplin.net
>  Subject: [MBZ] Shop air
>  
>  There was some discussion a while back on one of these lists about shop
>  air lines.  Somebody had bought some kits off amazon that include line,
>  valves, etc.  Ring any bells?  Can somebody refresh my memory on these?
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Re: [MBZ] Project for poos

 Look at the weird spark plug picture, what in the world?
-Curt

On Sunday, October 24, 2021, 07:18:26 PM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 I have a 76 Eldo convertible. That one is in better shape. $5k is probably not 
a bad price

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Re: [MBZ] Shop air

2021-10-24 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes

Or that would introduce potential safety issues. Compressed air can be nasty 
stuff and do some serious damage.

-D

> On Oct 24, 2021, at 8:10 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, what Allen said. Don't cheap out on things that will limit your
> ability to use your tools to their full potential.
> 
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 6:52 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I think 1/2" OD would be pretty constricting for any high-volume
>> applications such as large impact wrenches or painting. That's probably
>> 3/8" ID at best, likely less.
>> 
>> Look at the highest CFM requirements of the tools you would be using and
>> see what diameter piping you need given the length of the tube/pipe run
>> between your compressor and the work location.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> On Sun, Oct 24, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> How would this compare to what OK don got, it is quite a bit cheaper.
>>> 
>>> 
>> https://www.amazon.com/Tailonz-Pneumatic-Tubing-Transfer-tubing/dp/B08FQSDNBG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=3FU5QMQQD9DN4&dchild=1&keywords=shop%2Bair%2Bline%2Bsystems&qid=1635112355&sprefix=shop%2Bair%2Blin%2Caps%2C388&sr=8-1-spons&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExRFJQTjQzV0E0UThYJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNzc3NjQ3MktWMDVNUFRVOVJBWCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNDEzMjE4MklOOTdOREhNQzhQOSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/24/2021 5:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
 
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rapid-Air-Maxline-M7500-3-4-Compressed-Air-Line-Piping-System-/393637979605?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0
 
 
>> https://www.amazon.com/Maxline-M7500-Master-4-Inch-100-Feet/dp/B005FKYRTU/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=maxline+7500&qid=1635115597&sr=8-3
 
 Ok Don installed this in his hangar with some additional outlets and
>> stuff. Pricy, but it won't fail.
 
 
 Rick
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Shop air

2021-10-24 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

Yes, what Allen said. Don't cheap out on things that will limit your
ability to use your tools to their full potential.

On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 6:52 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I think 1/2" OD would be pretty constricting for any high-volume
> applications such as large impact wrenches or painting. That's probably
> 3/8" ID at best, likely less.
>
> Look at the highest CFM requirements of the tools you would be using and
> see what diameter piping you need given the length of the tube/pipe run
> between your compressor and the work location.
>
> Allan
>
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > How would this compare to what OK don got, it is quite a bit cheaper.
> >
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/Tailonz-Pneumatic-Tubing-Transfer-tubing/dp/B08FQSDNBG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=3FU5QMQQD9DN4&dchild=1&keywords=shop%2Bair%2Bline%2Bsystems&qid=1635112355&sprefix=shop%2Bair%2Blin%2Caps%2C388&sr=8-1-spons&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExRFJQTjQzV0E0UThYJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNzc3NjQ3MktWMDVNUFRVOVJBWCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNDEzMjE4MklOOTdOREhNQzhQOSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1
> >
> >
> > On 10/24/2021 5:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> > >
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rapid-Air-Maxline-M7500-3-4-Compressed-Air-Line-Piping-System-/393637979605?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0
> > >
> > >
> https://www.amazon.com/Maxline-M7500-Master-4-Inch-100-Feet/dp/B005FKYRTU/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=maxline+7500&qid=1635115597&sr=8-3
> > >
> > > Ok Don installed this in his hangar with some additional outlets and
> stuff. Pricy, but it won't fail.
> > >
> > >
> > > Rick
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> > > 
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> > > Subject: [MBZ] Shop air
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> > > There was some discussion a while back on one of these lists about shop
> > > air lines.  Somebody had bought some kits off amazon that include line,
> > > valves, etc.  Ring any bells?  Can somebody refresh my memory on these?
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Re: [MBZ] Shop air

I think 1/2" OD would be pretty constricting for any high-volume applications 
such as large impact wrenches or painting. That's probably 3/8" ID at best, 
likely less.

Look at the highest CFM requirements of the tools you would be using and see 
what diameter piping you need given the length of the tube/pipe run between 
your compressor and the work location.

Allan

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> How would this compare to what OK don got, it is quite a bit cheaper.
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/Tailonz-Pneumatic-Tubing-Transfer-tubing/dp/B08FQSDNBG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=3FU5QMQQD9DN4&dchild=1&keywords=shop%2Bair%2Bline%2Bsystems&qid=1635112355&sprefix=shop%2Bair%2Blin%2Caps%2C388&sr=8-1-spons&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExRFJQTjQzV0E0UThYJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNzc3NjQ3MktWMDVNUFRVOVJBWCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNDEzMjE4MklOOTdOREhNQzhQOSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1
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> > https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rapid-Air-Maxline-M7500-3-4-Compressed-Air-Line-Piping-System-/393637979605?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0
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> > https://www.amazon.com/Maxline-M7500-Master-4-Inch-100-Feet/dp/B005FKYRTU/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=maxline+7500&qid=1635115597&sr=8-3
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> > Ok Don installed this in his hangar with some additional outlets and stuff. 
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Re: [MBZ] Shop air


How would this compare to what OK don got, it is quite a bit cheaper.

https://www.amazon.com/Tailonz-Pneumatic-Tubing-Transfer-tubing/dp/B08FQSDNBG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=3FU5QMQQD9DN4&dchild=1&keywords=shop%2Bair%2Bline%2Bsystems&qid=1635112355&sprefix=shop%2Bair%2Blin%2Caps%2C388&sr=8-1-spons&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExRFJQTjQzV0E0UThYJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNzc3NjQ3MktWMDVNUFRVOVJBWCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNDEzMjE4MklOOTdOREhNQzhQOSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1


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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rapid-Air-Maxline-M7500-3-4-Compressed-Air-Line-Piping-System-/393637979605?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0

https://www.amazon.com/Maxline-M7500-Master-4-Inch-100-Feet/dp/B005FKYRTU/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=maxline+7500&qid=1635115597&sr=8-3

Ok Don installed this in his hangar with some additional outlets and stuff. 
Pricy, but it won't fail.


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Subject: [MBZ] Shop air

There was some discussion a while back on one of these lists about shop
air lines.  Somebody had bought some kits off amazon that include line,
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Re: [MBZ] Project for poos

2021-10-24 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes

I have a 76 Eldo convertible. That one is in better shape. $5k is probably not 
a bad price

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Re: [MBZ] Shop air

2021-10-24 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rapid-Air-Maxline-M7500-3-4-Compressed-Air-Line-Piping-System-/393637979605?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0

https://www.amazon.com/Maxline-M7500-Master-4-Inch-100-Feet/dp/B005FKYRTU/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=maxline+7500&qid=1635115597&sr=8-3

Ok Don installed this in his hangar with some additional outlets and stuff. 
Pricy, but it won't fail.


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Re: [MBZ] Shop air

2021-10-24 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

That was me, and this is what I bought - a 100 ft. kit, then lots of
additional fittings, regulators, etc.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005FKYRTU/ref=asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1
https://www.rapidairproducts.com/rapidair-home-garage

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Re: [MBZ] Project for poos

2021-10-24 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Ask him to tow it back to the barn for another 20 years.

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[MBZ] Shop air

There was some discussion a while back on one of these lists about shop 
air lines.  Somebody had bought some kits off amazon that include line, 
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Re: [MBZ] Pulling torque converter?

You know I was thinking about that... time to check out those HF emails 
I get every day!


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On 10/24/21 4:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

An engine stand would make this a lot easier.

-D


On Oct 24, 2021, at 4:48 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
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yeah OK I just went and looked at it, there is a little plastic cover at the 
bottom forward of the starter ring gear.  So I would have to get the engine up 
a bit as you say and then go at the bolts through that hole.  I guess I don't 
need to get it off now, not that big a deal but good to know if I do need to 
pull it off.  Once I get it moved off the trailer and stored it should be up 
enough to get in there.  That will be for another day.

I did put a big socket on the crank and spun the engine, so at least it does 
that!

Thanks! It's fun learning about this aspect, I have never gone at a 
transmission before like this.  I'm going to pull off the valve body and 
conductor plate and send it off.  At least I can pick up the trans, it's a good 
workout!

--FT

On 10/24/21 4:17 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Correct. Access to those bolts will be on the front side of the starter
ring / flex plate. Usually there is an opening below the area of the
starter.
Likely, you will need to lift the engine up and set it on wood blocks of
some sort to get access to the area, then turn the engine over by hand
slowly to get the bolts to line up with the access port, which may be
covered by a dust cover of some sort.


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so there are bolts somewhere accessible to get at the flex plate?  I've
got the trans and bell housing off, it just slid out, I could not see
anything holding the flywheel and the torque conv on unless there are
some bolts behind (i.e., to the front of the engine) but I don't see how
that would work. I'll study it a bit more and see if there are other
hidden bolts somewhere.

--FT
On 10/24/21 3:41 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Second that, Torque converter is bolted to the flex plate, which drives

the

transmission, through the torque converter [fluid coupling, or "liquid
clutch"]. With the engine setting flat on the trailer, your access to

those

bolts may be restricted.

On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 12:31 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Last time I worked on something like this, there were bolts holding the

TC

to the flex plate
that was itself bolted to the crankshaft.  Accessed through a cutout in
the front housing.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Pulling torque converter?

2021-10-24 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes

An engine stand would make this a lot easier.

-D

> On Oct 24, 2021, at 4:48 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> yeah OK I just went and looked at it, there is a little plastic cover at the 
> bottom forward of the starter ring gear.  So I would have to get the engine 
> up a bit as you say and then go at the bolts through that hole.  I guess I 
> don't need to get it off now, not that big a deal but good to know if I do 
> need to pull it off.  Once I get it moved off the trailer and stored it 
> should be up enough to get in there.  That will be for another day.
> 
> I did put a big socket on the crank and spun the engine, so at least it does 
> that!
> 
> Thanks! It's fun learning about this aspect, I have never gone at a 
> transmission before like this.  I'm going to pull off the valve body and 
> conductor plate and send it off.  At least I can pick up the trans, it's a 
> good workout!
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 10/24/21 4:17 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>> Correct. Access to those bolts will be on the front side of the starter
>> ring / flex plate. Usually there is an opening below the area of the
>> starter.
>> Likely, you will need to lift the engine up and set it on wood blocks of
>> some sort to get access to the area, then turn the engine over by hand
>> slowly to get the bolts to line up with the access port, which may be
>> covered by a dust cover of some sort.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 1:12 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> so there are bolts somewhere accessible to get at the flex plate?  I've
>>> got the trans and bell housing off, it just slid out, I could not see
>>> anything holding the flywheel and the torque conv on unless there are
>>> some bolts behind (i.e., to the front of the engine) but I don't see how
>>> that would work. I'll study it a bit more and see if there are other
>>> hidden bolts somewhere.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> On 10/24/21 3:41 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
 Second that, Torque converter is bolted to the flex plate, which drives
>>> the
 transmission, through the torque converter [fluid coupling, or "liquid
 clutch"]. With the engine setting flat on the trailer, your access to
>>> those
 bolts may be restricted.
 
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 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> Last time I worked on something like this, there were bolts holding the
>>> TC
> to the flex plate
> that was itself bolted to the crankshaft.  Accessed through a cutout in
> the front housing.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Pulling torque converter?

yeah OK I just went and looked at it, there is a little plastic cover at 
the bottom forward of the starter ring gear.  So I would have to get the 
engine up a bit as you say and then go at the bolts through that hole.  
I guess I don't need to get it off now, not that big a deal but good to 
know if I do need to pull it off.  Once I get it moved off the trailer 
and stored it should be up enough to get in there.  That will be for 
another day.


I did put a big socket on the crank and spun the engine, so at least it 
does that!


Thanks! It's fun learning about this aspect, I have never gone at a 
transmission before like this.  I'm going to pull off the valve body and 
conductor plate and send it off.  At least I can pick up the trans, it's 
a good workout!


--FT

On 10/24/21 4:17 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Correct. Access to those bolts will be on the front side of the starter
ring / flex plate. Usually there is an opening below the area of the
starter.
Likely, you will need to lift the engine up and set it on wood blocks of
some sort to get access to the area, then turn the engine over by hand
slowly to get the bolts to line up with the access port, which may be
covered by a dust cover of some sort.


On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 1:12 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


so there are bolts somewhere accessible to get at the flex plate?  I've
got the trans and bell housing off, it just slid out, I could not see
anything holding the flywheel and the torque conv on unless there are
some bolts behind (i.e., to the front of the engine) but I don't see how
that would work. I'll study it a bit more and see if there are other
hidden bolts somewhere.

--FT
On 10/24/21 3:41 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Second that, Torque converter is bolted to the flex plate, which drives

the

transmission, through the torque converter [fluid coupling, or "liquid
clutch"]. With the engine setting flat on the trailer, your access to

those

bolts may be restricted.

On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 12:31 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Last time I worked on something like this, there were bolts holding the

TC

to the flex plate
that was itself bolted to the crankshaft.  Accessed through a cutout in
the front housing.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Pulling torque converter?

2021-10-24 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

On the ones I worked on, the access port/hole was centered on the bottom of
the mounting flange, covered with a dust plate - access looking to the rear
from the front side. yes, you'll need to lift the engine to get to it, and
be able to rotate the crank to get all the bolts, usually two per ear the
Jim pointed out.

On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 3:18 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Correct. Access to those bolts will be on the front side of the starter
> ring / flex plate. Usually there is an opening below the area of the
> starter.
> Likely, you will need to lift the engine up and set it on wood blocks of
> some sort to get access to the area, then turn the engine over by hand
> slowly to get the bolts to line up with the access port, which may be
> covered by a dust cover of some sort.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 1:12 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > so there are bolts somewhere accessible to get at the flex plate?  I've
> > got the trans and bell housing off, it just slid out, I could not see
> > anything holding the flywheel and the torque conv on unless there are
> > some bolts behind (i.e., to the front of the engine) but I don't see how
> > that would work. I'll study it a bit more and see if there are other
> > hidden bolts somewhere.
> >
> > --FT
> > On 10/24/21 3:41 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> > > Second that, Torque converter is bolted to the flex plate, which drives
> > the
> > > transmission, through the torque converter [fluid coupling, or "liquid
> > > clutch"]. With the engine setting flat on the trailer, your access to
> > those
> > > bolts may be restricted.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 12:31 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Last time I worked on something like this, there were bolts holding
> the
> > TC
> > >> to the flex plate
> > >> that was itself bolted to the crankshaft.  Accessed through a cutout
> in
> > >> the front housing.
> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] Pulling torque converter?

Correct. Access to those bolts will be on the front side of the starter
ring / flex plate. Usually there is an opening below the area of the
starter.
Likely, you will need to lift the engine up and set it on wood blocks of
some sort to get access to the area, then turn the engine over by hand
slowly to get the bolts to line up with the access port, which may be
covered by a dust cover of some sort.


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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> so there are bolts somewhere accessible to get at the flex plate?  I've
> got the trans and bell housing off, it just slid out, I could not see
> anything holding the flywheel and the torque conv on unless there are
> some bolts behind (i.e., to the front of the engine) but I don't see how
> that would work. I'll study it a bit more and see if there are other
> hidden bolts somewhere.
>
> --FT
> On 10/24/21 3:41 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> > Second that, Torque converter is bolted to the flex plate, which drives
> the
> > transmission, through the torque converter [fluid coupling, or "liquid
> > clutch"]. With the engine setting flat on the trailer, your access to
> those
> > bolts may be restricted.
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 12:31 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Last time I worked on something like this, there were bolts holding the
> TC
> >> to the flex plate
> >> that was itself bolted to the crankshaft.  Accessed through a cutout in
> >> the front housing.
> >>
> >> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Pulling torque converter?

2021-10-24 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

In your photo you can _see_ the feet on the TC, that would
have to go to the (thin, spring steel) flex plate.  Should be bolt
heads there, facing forwards.  Usually accessed through a
hole in what is currently sitting on your trailer floor.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Pulling torque converter?

so there are bolts somewhere accessible to get at the flex plate?  I've 
got the trans and bell housing off, it just slid out, I could not see 
anything holding the flywheel and the torque conv on unless there are 
some bolts behind (i.e., to the front of the engine) but I don't see how 
that would work. I'll study it a bit more and see if there are other 
hidden bolts somewhere.


--FT
On 10/24/21 3:41 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Second that, Torque converter is bolted to the flex plate, which drives the
transmission, through the torque converter [fluid coupling, or "liquid
clutch"]. With the engine setting flat on the trailer, your access to those
bolts may be restricted.

On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 12:31 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Last time I worked on something like this, there were bolts holding the TC
to the flex plate
that was itself bolted to the crankshaft.  Accessed through a cutout in
the front housing.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Pulling torque converter?

Second that, Torque converter is bolted to the flex plate, which drives the
transmission, through the torque converter [fluid coupling, or "liquid
clutch"]. With the engine setting flat on the trailer, your access to those
bolts may be restricted.

On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 12:31 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Last time I worked on something like this, there were bolts holding the TC
> to the flex plate
> that was itself bolted to the crankshaft.  Accessed through a cutout in
> the front housing.
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] Pulling torque converter?

2021-10-24 Thread mitch--- via Mercedes


Like Jim said.
Flex plate bolts to crankshaft like a flywheel in a manual transmission 
car.
TQ bolts to flex plate, covers the crank bolts so you have to remove the 
TQ before removing the flex plate.


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Re: [MBZ] Pulling torque converter?

2021-10-24 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

Last time I worked on something like this, there were bolts holding the TC to 
the flex plate
that was itself bolted to the crankshaft.  Accessed through a cutout in the 
front housing.

-- Jim


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[MBZ] 2006 C350 - 75k miles - $8,900

Presumably has the same balance shaft concerns as other 350s of this period? 
Wiki isn't completely clear but it looks like this would have an M272 engine.

https://lexington.craigslist.org/cto/d/lexington-2006-mercedes-benz-c350/7398593624.html

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] W116 ignition tumbler and key

 Scott you just helped me to understand how the sidewinder keys work. I'd never 
visualized it before since I've never had one apart but I can now see in my 
mind how the wafers work.
Assuming they're somewhat like the wafers in a 123 you could also modify (grind 
off) the outside of the wafers to fit the lock allowing you to use wafers that 
aren't quite right.
-Curt

On Saturday, October 23, 2021, 11:23:42 PM EDT, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I never opened an ignition cylinder but I have been inside w126 door locks.
The sidewinder style does not use pin-style tumblers like a typical home
lock.  They use spring loaded split "wafers" that ride up and down the
profile cut into the sides of the key.  When everything is "right" with the
key inserted, all the wafers ends are flush with the diameter of the
cylinder, allowing it to turn.  I assume these split wafers come in standard
numbered sizes.  It appeared to me that sticking from dirt and grease as
well as wear would be the main  problem.  Also, the door locks were crimped
together making a really neat repair difficult.  On the other hand, bad
wafers could simply be removed if too worn and the lock would still work
(albeit less securte).

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From: Mercedes On Behalf Of David Bruckmann via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2021 8:22 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: David Bruckmann 
Subject: [MBZ] W116 ignition tumbler and key

Greetings,

In case it is helpful for others, I'd like to relate my recent journey in
attempting to avert ignition tumbler failure on my '79 W116.120 (300SD). All
of the information below was confirmed with Tom Hanson at the Classic
Centre.

Ignition tumblers coded to the vehicle are no longer available for W116
models. Fortunately, it is still possible to order a generic "service"
ignition tumbler with a key that is not coded to the vehicle. The "service"
tumbler may actually use a different style of key. My W116 has the so-called
"sidewinder" key, but Tom mentioned that the service tumblers probably use
the more conventional-style keys used in 107/114/115/123 models. And by the
way, ignition tumblers for 107, 108, 114 and 115 are also NLA, even as an
uncoded service part. Only the later 123 tumblers remain available.

I also ordered two replacement keys that ARE coded to the vehicle. These are
still available, but under A2017600306 versus the original A0007600406, a
fact that my local dealer was unable to determine.

My plan is to remove the existing ignition tumbler, replace with the service
tumbler, then dismantle the old part. Sounds like the failure is caused by
wear of the lock pins, which then protrude and cause the tumbler to lock in
the housing. So I will take a look for that and make adjustments before
cleaning, lubricating, and reassembling the tumbler.

If I'm REALLY lucky, Tom is wrong and the "service" tumbler also uses a
sidewinder key. In that case, I will try to find a competent locksmith who
can modify the coding of the generic tumbler to match the vehicle keying.

I posted on this (R107) thread:

https://www.benzworld.org/threads/apparently-mb-no-longer-makes-the-ignition
-tumblers-for-our-cars-so.2067042/page-4

where there's a useful link to
https://www.coolcatcorp.com/Mercedes/Lock190.html and this thread
https://forum.w116.org/mechanicals/modifying-w123-lock-cylinder-to-fit-w116/
which give you an idea of the internal construction of the tumbler.

Anyway, I'll keep you all posted as things progress. If anyone knows of a
competent automotive locksmith near San Francisco, please let me know!

D.

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Current Reality:
1966 Citroen DS21M Pallas "Celeste"
1972 Mercedes-Benz 280SEL 4.5 (160,000 km) "Blauer Engel"
1973 Mercedes-Benz 450SLC (210,000 km) "Lottie"
1976 Citroen 2CV6 (150,000 km) "Piaf"
1976 Mercedes-Benz 300D/8 (325,000 km) "Willow"
1979 Mercedes-Benz 300SD (270,000 km) "Tina"
Shady Past:
1970 Citroen DS21 Pallas (170,000 km) "Goettin"
1970 Mercedes-Benz 220/8 (250,000 km) "Blanche"
1971 Citroen DS21 Pallas (137,000 km), 1972 Citroen DS21 Pallas (502,000 km)
1978 Mercedes-Benz 300D (1,200,000 km or thereabouts) "Sieglinde"
1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD non-turbo (260,000 km)  "Diva"
1979 Mercedes-Benz 300D (425,000 km) "Liz"
1980 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston (120,000km), 1988 Merkur XR4Ti (209,000 km)
1981 Peugeot 505 GRD (350,000km), 1984 MB 300TD (385,000 km) "Gertraud"
1985 Toyota Camry (330,000 km) 1986 Renault 9 1.7L (155,000 km)
2002 VW Golf GLS TDI "The Hated Golf" (74,000 km)

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Re: [MBZ] W116 ignition tumbler and key

I've never worked on a sidewinder key but the conventional keys used in a 123
are VERY easy to work on. On those I don't think the ignition wears out
per-say, I think cruft gets in and gums them up until they can't turn anymore.
The driver's door on my '83 240D got so bad I had to cut it apart to get the
wafers out.On that same car the ignition got sticky so I took it apart, cleaned
it thoroughly with alcohol to remove all traces of old graphite etc, lubed with
Houdini lock lube and re-assembled. It lasted the year until a failed oil
cooler line junked the car.

The trick on a 123 is having enough of the wafers to build the lock you want. A
couple junkyard door locks from different cars would do the job or you could
just use fewer wafers. It's unlikely somebody is going to pick the ignition
lock on your car anyway...

-Curt

On Saturday, October 23, 2021, 08:22:41 PM EDT, David Bruckmann via
Mercedes wrote:

Greetings,

In case it is helpful for others, I'd like to relate my recent journey in
attempting to avert ignition tumbler failure on my '79 W116.120 (300SD). All of
the information below was confirmed with Tom Hanson at the Classic Centre.

Ignition tumblers coded to the vehicle are no longer available for W116 models.
Fortunately, it is still possible to order a generic "service" ignition tumbler
with a key that is not coded to the vehicle. The "service" tumbler may actually
use a different style of key. My W116 has the so-called "sidewinder" key, but
Tom mentioned that the service tumblers probably use the more
conventional-style keys used in 107/114/115/123 models. And by the way,
ignition tumblers for 107, 108, 114 and 115 are also NLA, even as an uncoded
service part. Only the later 123 tumblers remain available.

I also ordered two replacement keys that ARE coded to the vehicle. These are
still available, but under A2017600306 versus the original A0007600406, a fact
that my local dealer was unable to determine.

My plan is to remove the existing ignition tumbler, replace with the service
tumbler, then dismantle the old part. Sounds like the failure is caused by wear
of the lock pins, which then protrude and cause the tumbler to lock in the
housing. So I will take a look for that and make adjustments before cleaning,
lubricating, and reassembling the tumbler.

If I'm REALLY lucky, Tom is wrong and the "service" tumbler also uses a
sidewinder key. In that case, I will try to find a competent locksmith who can
modify the coding of the generic tumbler to match the vehicle keying.

I posted on this (R107) thread:

https://www.benzworld.org/threads/apparently-mb-no-longer-makes-the-ignition-tumblers-for-our-cars-so.2067042/page-4

where there's a useful link to
https://www.coolcatcorp.com/Mercedes/Lock190.html and this thread
https://forum.w116.org/mechanicals/modifying-w123-lock-cylinder-to-fit-w116/
which give you an idea of the internal construction of the tumbler.

Anyway, I'll keep you all posted as things progress. If anyone knows of a
competent automotive locksmith near San Francisco, please let me know!

--
David Bruckmann, Temescal/Oakland, CA
Current Reality:
1966 Citroen DS21M Pallas "Celeste"
1972 Mercedes-Benz 280SEL 4.5 (160,000 km) "Blauer Engel"
1973 Mercedes-Benz 450SLC (210,000 km) "Lottie"
1976 Citroen 2CV6 (150,000 km) "Piaf"
1976 Mercedes-Benz 300D/8 (325,000 km) "Willow"
1979 Mercedes-Benz 300SD (270,000 km) "Tina"
Shady Past:
1970 Citroen DS21 Pallas (170,000 km) "Goettin"
1970 Mercedes-Benz 220/8 (250,000 km) "Blanche"
1971 Citroen DS21 Pallas (137,000 km), 1972 Citroen DS21 Pallas (502,000 km)
1978 Mercedes-Benz 300D (1,200,000 km or thereabouts) "Sieglinde"
1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD non-turbo (260,000 km) "Diva"
1979 Mercedes-Benz 300D (425,000 km) "Liz"
1980 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston (120,000km), 1988 Merkur XR4Ti (209,000 km)
1981 Peugeot 505 GRD (350,000km), 1984 MB 300TD (385,000 km) "Gertraud"
1985 Toyota Camry (330,000 km) 1986 Renault 9 1.7L (155,000 km)
2002 VW Golf GLS TDI "The Hated Golf" (74,000 km)

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Re: [MBZ] 50 months @ 3k, Down payment of $50k 2021 Mercedes Benz S580 No Credit Check $50k down Every1 Approved - $50, 000 (Miami)

It's got your name all over it, just throw down 50K and 3K a month for 50
months and the big black men won't come break your kneecaps when they
repossess it.
Seems fair? Does the car insurance policy come with full health insurance?

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> If u been looking you know the MSRP start at $117,000-130,000 plus
> extras. but you can have it for the low low price of $200K! You too can
> be a playa like me yo!
>
> Car, Insurance and Plates will remain in my name until your last payment
> at the 50 month and then you eill receive title.
>
>
> https://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/cto/d/orlando-2021-mercedes-benz-s580-no/7398409887.html
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[MBZ] KAleb needs this 1985 GMC renegade, $18, 500 -- 13inch TV /VCR combo!


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[MBZ] 1973 450 sl Runs and drive been sitting need Ignition switch loss key but can still crank 1973 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 400 SEL, $1, 234


It's ratty and green!has hard top booth as well throw offer are trade

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