Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Dan, I've lived with heat pumps since 1979 - the earlier ones had resistive
backup heat that did come on below freezing. This new one doesn't have any
resistive elements. In our main house, we have geothermal, and
occasionally the resistive elements would fire up, but I've pulled the
cut-off on them so we just have the geothermal now and it's been just fine,
even below 0F last winter.
No, they don't blow hot air, and the warm air does blow more than a hot air
system would, but it's not a problem, at least for us. YMMV.
The new mini-split is in the 700 sq ft "guest house" where my wife is now
growing veggies all year round -and it replaced a couple of window units
(one was a heat pump) and some electric space heaters. The electric use is
about a third of what it was last year. When we installed the geothermal in
the big house, our total energy cost was cut in half.
We're very happy with both of them.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 8:59 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Don, is the outlet air temperature decent? That's one thing that a lot of
> people don't get used to if they've experienced gas or electric forced air
> - the outlet temps are generally quite a bit higher than what a heat pump
> puts out.
>
> I'm curious about this as I don't want to put something in the casita that
> won't perform.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -D
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of OK Don via
> Mercedes 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 9:34 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: OK Don 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware
>
> The Mitsubishi mini-split we had installed last year is rated for either 5
> or 10F. It has been down to 15F so far, and it held the temp just fine. The
> temp is supposed to drop to 12F tonight - we'll see.It's also very quiet.
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 7:46 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > yes we just had one rated 4F installed in our church rectory.
> >  the one we put in our house 15 years ago is rated 30F for heat
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, 6:00 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Actually, there are heat pumps now rated for lower temperatures. My
> > > insulation guys in Flagstaff offered me a mini-split that’s good down
> to
> > 4F
> > > (-15C) for the casita. Granted, I can’t imagine the air temperature
> > coming
> > > out of it would be that great, but it’s supposed to produce heat down
> to
> > > that ambient temperature.
> > >
> > > I passed for now, but I may still do it so I can disable the old gas
> wall
> > > furnace that’s currently in there.
> > >
> > > -D
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > >
> > > > On Jan 5, 2022, at 3:08 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It really isn't a problem for Tesla owners to keep the car warm in
> > > really cold weather. They just light it on fire and it burns hot for
> > days.
> > > >
> > > > Heat pumps for houses don't work here in the winter temperatures.
> They
> > > are fine in spring and fall but come winter, you will be relying upon
> > > electric heat built in to the heat pump system.
> > > >
> > > > Randy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> On 05/01/2022 2:39 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> > > >> Ask the folks in Teslas who were stranded on the interstate in
> > Virginia.
> > > >>
> > > >> I think at least the newer EV cars do not use resistance heating,
> > which
> > > would be a heavy drain on the batteries, but use a heat pump system
> which
> > > should be more efficient, at least as long as it's not *too* cold
> > outside.
> > > >>
> > > >> I don't know how a half-charged EV vs. a car with a half-tank of gas
> > > would compare as far as keeping warm enough to prevent hypothermia in a
> > > "stranded in a blizzard" scenario.
> > > >>
> > > >> Allan
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Clay via Mercedes]

5-20 rings a bell.  It was changed past summer with generic tire shop goo that 
#2 boy handled since he was driving it 

Clay




> On Jan 5, 2022, at 6:48 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> OIL SAE viscosity?

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Re: [MBZ] 2007 GL450 - 126k miles - $5,900

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Seller seems straightforward.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, 10:44 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> Seems a pretty decent price.
>
>
> https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/d/lebanon-2007-mercedes-gl450-suv-blue/7429166514.html
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Clay via Mercedes]

I got off the phone with #1 boy in ND.  He was wanting advice on why the fob 
for the car was not allowing touch unlock and keyless start.  The separate auto 
start fob does its job fine.  He keeps his keys in the work truck at -28C today 
with -49C windchill.  I told him to keep his fob in his trouser pocket for the 
battery to be happier.  Or, just pop new battery in.  Being a sparky, he tells 
me there is just so much electrons and there should be  no fresh juice in them 
if they are dead.  This related to poking and stabbing the start button until 
he got the car to finally start.  


Clay


> On Jan 5, 2022, at 2:03 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I thought they might even work down to about -20C but we get colder than that 
> here in the GWN. It is -25C right now at 5:00 PM.
> The coldest that I have seen lately is about -33C but we sometimes exceed 
> that.
> 
> Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Clay via Mercedes]

The cars live in the garage religiously.  I did point out things to make these 
more useful in GWN winters, but SWMBA poo-poos that kind of thing.  She does 
swap out tires for winter, but no winter oil or upgrades.  Heated seat and 
steering wheel are her idea of winter prep. I stopped talking about it after I 
figured out nobody was listening.


clay 

I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.



> On Jan 5, 2022, at 1:04 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes  > wrote:
> 
> Do you have block heaters in your vehicles? If not, get them installed. Not 
> expensive and if plugged in and kept warm, the vehicle will start. You can 
> also get battery blankets that are electric heaters to keep the battery warm.
> 
> Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

OIL SAE viscosity?

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Clay via Mercedes
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To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Clay 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

Temps this week hover around 0*F in ANC.  The carpet installers are using
the garage to prep so the cars are out on the street.  I tried to move one
that had sat overnight to put it in the driveway.  Maybe 30 hour cold soaked
and that poor battery was nearly incapable of spinning it over.  Like a no
glow start on an OM615.  Did get it lit off after a few tries and hooked it
to the charger once the engine was up to temp and battery warmed.  Tried to
move it this morning and it was not happy.  Maybe it wants a real winter
battery.



Clay

> On Jan 5, 2022, at 11:39 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes
 wrote:
> 
> Ask the folks in Teslas who were stranded on the interstate in Virginia.
> 
> I think at least the newer EV cars do not use resistance heating, which
would be a heavy drain on the batteries, but use a heat pump system which
should be more efficient, at least as long as it's not *too* cold outside.
> 
> I don't know how a half-charged EV vs. a car with a half-tank of gas would
compare as far as keeping warm enough to prevent hypothermia in a "stranded
in a blizzard" scenario.
> 
> Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

As a former resident of hurricane alley (who had to evacuate more than once)
I think a person would be nuts to have an electric car unless he also had a
reliable gas/diesel vehicle.  

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Cc: mi...@mitchellhaley.com
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You have blankets, a parka, and insulated boots in the trunk, right?
Mitch.

On 2022-01-05 15:39, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

> I don't know how a half-charged EV vs. a car with a half-tank of gas 
> would compare as far as keeping warm enough to prevent hypothermia in 
> a "stranded in a blizzard" scenario.
> 

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[MBZ] 2007 GL450 - 126k miles - $5,900

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Seems a pretty decent price.

https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/d/lebanon-2007-mercedes-gl450-suv-blue/7429166514.html

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

The air coming out of the mini-split in my barn feels quite warm, especially 
compared to a normal central heat pump system.  But the moving air may still 
feel cool across the room.  Also, the mini-split air handler always needs some 
air flow (blower on low) to sense room temperature.

Something I didn't mention is the mini-split has a minimal air filter, just a 
screen.  Nothing like the pleated filters in large central units.

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Cc: dan penoff.com 
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Don, is the outlet air temperature decent? That's one thing that a lot of 
people don't get used to if they've experienced gas or electric forced air - 
the outlet temps are generally quite a bit higher than what a heat pump puts 
out.

I'm curious about this as I don't want to put something in the casita that 
won't perform.

Thanks!

-D

From: Mercedes  on behalf of OK Don via Mercedes 

Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 9:34 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: OK Don 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

The Mitsubishi mini-split we had installed last year is rated for either 5 or 
10F. It has been down to 15F so far, and it held the temp just fine. The temp 
is supposed to drop to 12F tonight - we'll see.It's also very quiet.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 7:46 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> yes we just had one rated 4F installed in our church rectory.
>  the one we put in our house 15 years ago is rated 30F for heat
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, 6:00 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < 
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Actually, there are heat pumps now rated for lower temperatures. My 
> > insulation guys in Flagstaff offered me a mini-split that’s good 
> > down to
> 4F
> > (-15C) for the casita. Granted, I can’t imagine the air temperature
> coming
> > out of it would be that great, but it’s supposed to produce heat 
> > down to that ambient temperature.
> >
> > I passed for now, but I may still do it so I can disable the old gas 
> > wall furnace that’s currently in there.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On Jan 5, 2022, at 3:08 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > It really isn't a problem for Tesla owners to keep the car warm 
> > > in
> > really cold weather. They just light it on fire and it burns hot for
> days.
> > >
> > > Heat pumps for houses don't work here in the winter temperatures. 
> > > They
> > are fine in spring and fall but come winter, you will be relying 
> > upon electric heat built in to the heat pump system.
> > >
> > > Randy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> On 05/01/2022 2:39 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> Ask the folks in Teslas who were stranded on the interstate in
> Virginia.
> > >>
> > >> I think at least the newer EV cars do not use resistance heating,
> which
> > would be a heavy drain on the batteries, but use a heat pump system 
> > which should be more efficient, at least as long as it's not *too* 
> > cold
> outside.
> > >>
> > >> I don't know how a half-charged EV vs. a car with a half-tank of 
> > >> gas
> > would compare as far as keeping warm enough to prevent hypothermia 
> > in a "stranded in a blizzard" scenario.
> > >>
> > >> Allan
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Mini splits have advantages, mainly no duct loss, multi-speed blowers, and 
variable speed (inverter-driven) compressors  for optimum refrigerant flow.  
Efficiency is not the right measure.  Resistance heating is 100% efficient (all 
watts become BTUs).  For heat pumps coefficient of performance (COP) a better 
metric.  COP=BTU-out/watts-in (in the same units, of course).  COP of 2-3+ is 
not unusual.  Metrics like SEER are like EPA mileage to estimate average the 
performance over an expected range of operating conditions.  Mini splits still 
have good winter efficiency at low temps, they just can't produce as much 
output heat.  As outside temp goes down heat loss goes up (requiring more BTU 
to stay warm) while heat pump output goes down, so it's a double whammy.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 7:51 PM
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Cc: dan penoff.com 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

From what my insulation guys said, and they've been doing this in the Flagstaff 
area for some years, mini-splits have always performed better at low 
temperatures than the larger single home units. Apparently, it's something to 
do with the design. The big-name guys like Samsung have units that are as much 
as 95% efficient at low temperatures. Thats the big issue - efficiency. When 
it's only 70% efficient at those temperatures, it's becoming ineffective at 
pulling heat out of the ambient air.

-D

From: Mercedes  on behalf of Randy Bennell via 
Mercedes 
Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 6:03 PM
To: dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
Cc: Randy Bennell 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

I thought they might even work down to about -20C but we get colder than that 
here in the GWN. It is -25C right now at 5:00 PM.
The coldest that I have seen lately is about -33C but we sometimes exceed that.

Randy

On 05/01/2022 4:59 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Actually, there are heat pumps now rated for lower temperatures. My 
> insulation guys in Flagstaff offered me a mini-split that’s good down to 4F 
> (-15C) for the casita. Granted, I can’t imagine the air temperature coming 
> out of it would be that great, but it’s supposed to produce heat down to that 
> ambient temperature.
>
> I passed for now, but I may still do it so I can disable the old gas wall 
> furnace that’s currently in there.
>
> -D
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 5, 2022, at 3:08 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> It really isn't a problem for Tesla owners to keep the car warm in really 
>> cold weather. They just light it on fire and it burns hot for days.
>>
>> Heat pumps for houses don't work here in the winter temperatures. They are 
>> fine in spring and fall but come winter, you will be relying upon electric 
>> heat built in to the heat pump system.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 05/01/2022 2:39 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Ask the folks in Teslas who were stranded on the interstate in Virginia.
>>>
>>> I think at least the newer EV cars do not use resistance heating, which 
>>> would be a heavy drain on the batteries, but use a heat pump system which 
>>> should be more efficient, at least as long as it's not *too* cold outside.
>>>
>>> I don't know how a half-charged EV vs. a car with a half-tank of gas would 
>>> compare as far as keeping warm enough to prevent hypothermia in a "stranded 
>>> in a blizzard" scenario.
>>>
>>> Allan
>>>
>>>


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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Don, is the outlet air temperature decent? That's one thing that a lot of 
people don't get used to if they've experienced gas or electric forced air - 
the outlet temps are generally quite a bit higher than what a heat pump puts 
out.

I'm curious about this as I don't want to put something in the casita that 
won't perform.

Thanks!

-D

From: Mercedes  on behalf of OK Don via Mercedes 

Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 9:34 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: OK Don 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

The Mitsubishi mini-split we had installed last year is rated for either 5
or 10F. It has been down to 15F so far, and it held the temp just fine. The
temp is supposed to drop to 12F tonight - we'll see.It's also very quiet.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 7:46 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> yes we just had one rated 4F installed in our church rectory.
>  the one we put in our house 15 years ago is rated 30F for heat
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, 6:00 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Actually, there are heat pumps now rated for lower temperatures. My
> > insulation guys in Flagstaff offered me a mini-split that’s good down to
> 4F
> > (-15C) for the casita. Granted, I can’t imagine the air temperature
> coming
> > out of it would be that great, but it’s supposed to produce heat down to
> > that ambient temperature.
> >
> > I passed for now, but I may still do it so I can disable the old gas wall
> > furnace that’s currently in there.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On Jan 5, 2022, at 3:08 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > It really isn't a problem for Tesla owners to keep the car warm in
> > really cold weather. They just light it on fire and it burns hot for
> days.
> > >
> > > Heat pumps for houses don't work here in the winter temperatures. They
> > are fine in spring and fall but come winter, you will be relying upon
> > electric heat built in to the heat pump system.
> > >
> > > Randy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> On 05/01/2022 2:39 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> Ask the folks in Teslas who were stranded on the interstate in
> Virginia.
> > >>
> > >> I think at least the newer EV cars do not use resistance heating,
> which
> > would be a heavy drain on the batteries, but use a heat pump system which
> > should be more efficient, at least as long as it's not *too* cold
> outside.
> > >>
> > >> I don't know how a half-charged EV vs. a car with a half-tank of gas
> > would compare as far as keeping warm enough to prevent hypothermia in a
> > "stranded in a blizzard" scenario.
> > >>
> > >> Allan
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

good luck tonight

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, 9:35 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> The Mitsubishi mini-split we had installed last year is rated for either 5
> or 10F. It has been down to 15F so far, and it held the temp just fine. The
> temp is supposed to drop to 12F tonight - we'll see.It's also very quiet.
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 7:46 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > yes we just had one rated 4F installed in our church rectory.
> >  the one we put in our house 15 years ago is rated 30F for heat
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, 6:00 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Actually, there are heat pumps now rated for lower temperatures. My
> > > insulation guys in Flagstaff offered me a mini-split that’s good down
> to
> > 4F
> > > (-15C) for the casita. Granted, I can’t imagine the air temperature
> > coming
> > > out of it would be that great, but it’s supposed to produce heat down
> to
> > > that ambient temperature.
> > >
> > > I passed for now, but I may still do it so I can disable the old gas
> wall
> > > furnace that’s currently in there.
> > >
> > > -D
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > >
> > > > On Jan 5, 2022, at 3:08 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It really isn't a problem for Tesla owners to keep the car warm in
> > > really cold weather. They just light it on fire and it burns hot for
> > days.
> > > >
> > > > Heat pumps for houses don't work here in the winter temperatures.
> They
> > > are fine in spring and fall but come winter, you will be relying upon
> > > electric heat built in to the heat pump system.
> > > >
> > > > Randy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> On 05/01/2022 2:39 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> > > >> Ask the folks in Teslas who were stranded on the interstate in
> > Virginia.
> > > >>
> > > >> I think at least the newer EV cars do not use resistance heating,
> > which
> > > would be a heavy drain on the batteries, but use a heat pump system
> which
> > > should be more efficient, at least as long as it's not *too* cold
> > outside.
> > > >>
> > > >> I don't know how a half-charged EV vs. a car with a half-tank of gas
> > > would compare as far as keeping warm enough to prevent hypothermia in a
> > > "stranded in a blizzard" scenario.
> > > >>
> > > >> Allan
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[OK Don via Mercedes]

The Mitsubishi mini-split we had installed last year is rated for either 5
or 10F. It has been down to 15F so far, and it held the temp just fine. The
temp is supposed to drop to 12F tonight - we'll see.It's also very quiet.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 7:46 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> yes we just had one rated 4F installed in our church rectory.
>  the one we put in our house 15 years ago is rated 30F for heat
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, 6:00 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Actually, there are heat pumps now rated for lower temperatures. My
> > insulation guys in Flagstaff offered me a mini-split that’s good down to
> 4F
> > (-15C) for the casita. Granted, I can’t imagine the air temperature
> coming
> > out of it would be that great, but it’s supposed to produce heat down to
> > that ambient temperature.
> >
> > I passed for now, but I may still do it so I can disable the old gas wall
> > furnace that’s currently in there.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On Jan 5, 2022, at 3:08 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > It really isn't a problem for Tesla owners to keep the car warm in
> > really cold weather. They just light it on fire and it burns hot for
> days.
> > >
> > > Heat pumps for houses don't work here in the winter temperatures. They
> > are fine in spring and fall but come winter, you will be relying upon
> > electric heat built in to the heat pump system.
> > >
> > > Randy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> On 05/01/2022 2:39 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> Ask the folks in Teslas who were stranded on the interstate in
> Virginia.
> > >>
> > >> I think at least the newer EV cars do not use resistance heating,
> which
> > would be a heavy drain on the batteries, but use a heat pump system which
> > should be more efficient, at least as long as it's not *too* cold
> outside.
> > >>
> > >> I don't know how a half-charged EV vs. a car with a half-tank of gas
> > would compare as far as keeping warm enough to prevent hypothermia in a
> > "stranded in a blizzard" scenario.
> > >>
> > >> Allan
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
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[MBZ] Looking for My next Mercedes

[Robert Massmann via Mercedes]

I am starting to look for my next Mercedes as I had sold my 1995 E300D because 
is was getting harder to maintain and had close to 500,000 miles. I am looking 
at the ML series 2014-2015. I would like to get back to a diesel car but it is 
not necessary. Just wondering what the better option would be? I do like to 
camp so it currently am towing small popup camper, but may upgrade to larger 
enclosed trailer at some point. I only looked at one vehicle thus far a 2015 
ML350, it has less than 100,000 miles and has most of the options. They are 
asking 19,700 for it.

So if anyone have opinions on my search, please chime in. Not in a real big 
hurry, but would like to do something sooner than later.

I would trade or sell the 2004 BMW X3 that I am currently driving.

Regards,

Bob Massmann
Southwestern Ohio
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

yes we just had one rated 4F installed in our church rectory.
 the one we put in our house 15 years ago is rated 30F for heat

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, 6:00 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Actually, there are heat pumps now rated for lower temperatures. My
> insulation guys in Flagstaff offered me a mini-split that’s good down to 4F
> (-15C) for the casita. Granted, I can’t imagine the air temperature coming
> out of it would be that great, but it’s supposed to produce heat down to
> that ambient temperature.
>
> I passed for now, but I may still do it so I can disable the old gas wall
> furnace that’s currently in there.
>
> -D
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jan 5, 2022, at 3:08 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > It really isn't a problem for Tesla owners to keep the car warm in
> really cold weather. They just light it on fire and it burns hot for days.
> >
> > Heat pumps for houses don't work here in the winter temperatures. They
> are fine in spring and fall but come winter, you will be relying upon
> electric heat built in to the heat pump system.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 05/01/2022 2:39 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Ask the folks in Teslas who were stranded on the interstate in Virginia.
> >>
> >> I think at least the newer EV cars do not use resistance heating, which
> would be a heavy drain on the batteries, but use a heat pump system which
> should be more efficient, at least as long as it's not *too* cold outside.
> >>
> >> I don't know how a half-charged EV vs. a car with a half-tank of gas
> would compare as far as keeping warm enough to prevent hypothermia in a
> "stranded in a blizzard" scenario.
> >>
> >> Allan
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: 1964 Corvair Monza Convertible - $7,900

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

My Dad and I had a 1962 Corvair Monza Convertible for a few years. The 2 speed 
power glide automatic isn’t the fastest thing, but it was very fun to cruise 
around in. It ate up the back roads of Central Oregon with its awesome 
handling. This one day when we were getting gas, we were a bit pressed for 
time, and since Oregon is one of two states where you don’t pump your own gas, 
we wanted the attendant to hurry back with our change. The guy quickly came 
back with (you’re driving a Corvair, so how can you be in a hurry?” 
Kevin in Lexington, NC

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> On Jan 5, 2022, at 5:28 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Looks like it would be a fun summer cruiser.
> 
> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/pendleton-1964-corvair-monza-convertible/7428858494.html
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I watched over lunch a jay leno vid of the EQS prototype or whatever it was. He 
was with the MB marketing director or whatever who was an inane ADHD 
marketing-bullshit-spewing twit. The review was quite superficial, mostly about 
the vid screens and various electronic functions (scents!) and aerodynamics 
(Cd=.20).  Nothing about the car’s handling, power, ride experience, etc. 

Jay mentioned a few times a 400mi range but it wasn’t clear if that was the 2 
or 4 motor version. And how real world factors would affect the range. 

The design was basically a wind tunnel jellybean exercise with some Benz 
graphics elements to indicate it was a Benz. The interior was nice as you would 
expect from an S, the 56” screens across the entire dash were the main selling 
point. The marketing dude was extremely excited about that. 

I’m sure it is an excellent highly-engineered car and will offer a great user 
experience. 

In 2032 I will buy one for $3k off The Zuckerbook from a guy who ran it into 
the ground and left it parked under a tree behind his trailer and hack some 
batteries with some cheap chinee EBay knockoffs and maybe get it running again. 
If the nannies and screens aren’t completely fried and NLA. That will be my 
user experience. 

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Jan 5, 2022, at 2:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> If it really has a 620 mile range (assume real-world ~500) that would be 
> quite welcome. Not a fan of the wide screen and other gizmos. Give me a car 
> with that range, basic gauges on the dash, a manual climate control system, 
> real switches for the headlights, wipers, and other accessories, and I might 
> be interested.
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> MB Tex was the distant ancestor of vegan upholstery.
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 8:44 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Wasn’t that called “MBTex”?
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
>>> 
 On Jan 3, 2022, at 8:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Fisker uses vegan leather too.
 
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, 7:02 PM Clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> Vegan leather = Mango fruit leather
> 
> Clay
> 
> 
>> On Jan 3, 2022, at 2:57 PM, OK Don via Mercedes >>> 
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
> 
>>> https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38651341/mercedes-benz-vision-eqxx-concept-revealed/
>> 
>> --
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>> 
>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> 
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> Wernher
>> Von Braun
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 It depends upon the heat pump I think. I got in a debate on that recently on 
Reddit. Apparently there are heat pumps that will work down to 5F (-15 
Canadians) which is pretty good.
For the house up north I'm debating a geothermal system to replace the current 
oil burner. We've got good access around the house and a high water table which 
will help.
-Curt

On Wednesday, January 5, 2022, 05:08:38 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 It really isn't a problem for Tesla owners to keep the car warm in 
really cold weather. They just light it on fire and it burns hot for days.

Heat pumps for houses don't work here in the winter temperatures. They 
are fine in spring and fall but come winter, you will be relying upon 
electric heat built in to the heat pump system.

Randy



On 05/01/2022 2:39 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> Ask the folks in Teslas who were stranded on the interstate in Virginia.
>
> I think at least the newer EV cars do not use resistance heating, which would 
> be a heavy drain on the batteries, but use a heat pump system which should be 
> more efficient, at least as long as it's not *too* cold outside.
>
> I don't know how a half-charged EV vs. a car with a half-tank of gas would 
> compare as far as keeping warm enough to prevent hypothermia in a "stranded 
> in a blizzard" scenario.
>
> Allan
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 0F isn't really all that cold, especially considering the light oil in today's 
engines.
A block heater is a good idea but I bet its hard to find a car with a real 
freeze plug these days. Neither of my VWs have one. They make a coolant heater 
that the guys in real cold climes use.
My 2015 TDI has never failed to fire off, it's never even seriously complained 
but I don't think I've started it much below zero.
-Curt

On Wednesday, January 5, 2022, 05:05:45 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Do you have block heaters in your vehicles? If not, get them installed. 
Not expensive and if plugged in and kept warm, the vehicle will start. 
You can also get battery blankets that are electric heaters to keep the 
battery warm.

Randy


On 05/01/2022 3:03 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote:
> Temps this week hover around 0*F in ANC.  The carpet installers are using the 
> garage to prep so the cars are out on the street.  I tried to move one that 
> had sat overnight to put it in the driveway.  Maybe 30 hour cold soaked and 
> that poor battery was nearly incapable of spinning it over.  Like a no glow 
> start on an OM615.  Did get it lit off after a few tries and hooked it to the 
> charger once the engine was up to temp and battery warmed.  Tried to move it 
> this morning and it was not happy.  Maybe it wants a real winter battery.
>
>
>
> Clay


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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I had put the batteries from the snowmobile club's Pisten Bully on the 
batteryMinder on maintenance mode a month ago. Monday I took them over and put 
them in the machine. Remember this has a big Mercedes diesel truck engine, I 
forget exactly, OM3xx something.The 2 batteries are in series for 24v starting 
and are dated 2014. Last winter they were on their last legs and the Minder 
brought them around, hopefully they'll last this year.
Anyway it cranked a looong time but finally fired off. Unfortunately when it 
fired off the starter button (switch) stuck on. So I shut the key off and 
noodled around to loosen the button. Lather, rinse, repeat. I could get the 
button to work fine as long as the engine didn't start but as soon as it 
started the button would stick.
In desperation I finally shot a little Houdini lock lube around the button, it 
was the only lube I had with me. Seems to have done the trick and smells nice 
too. At this point the batteries were toast but the machine did manage to crank 
up one last time. I let it run for 15 minutes, hopefully got enough electrons 
into the batteries to make up for the torture.
-Curt

On Wednesday, January 5, 2022, 04:04:23 PM EST, Clay via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Temps this week hover around 0*F in ANC.  The carpet installers are using the 
garage to prep so the cars are out on the street.  I tried to move one that had 
sat overnight to put it in the driveway.  Maybe 30 hour cold soaked and that 
poor battery was nearly incapable of spinning it over.  Like a no glow start on 
an OM615.  Did get it lit off after a few tries and hooked it to the charger 
once the engine was up to temp and battery warmed.  Tried to move it this 
morning and it was not happy.  Maybe it wants a real winter battery.



Clay

> On Jan 5, 2022, at 11:39 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ask the folks in Teslas who were stranded on the interstate in Virginia.
> 
> I think at least the newer EV cars do not use resistance heating, which would 
> be a heavy drain on the batteries, but use a heat pump system which should be 
> more efficient, at least as long as it's not *too* cold outside.
> 
> I don't know how a half-charged EV vs. a car with a half-tank of gas would 
> compare as far as keeping warm enough to prevent hypothermia in a "stranded 
> in a blizzard" scenario.
> 
> Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

From what my insulation guys said, and they've been doing this in the Flagstaff 
area for some years, mini-splits have always performed better at low 
temperatures than the larger single home units. Apparently, it's something to 
do with the design. The big-name guys like Samsung have units that are as much 
as 95% efficient at low temperatures. Thats the big issue - efficiency. When 
it's only 70% efficient at those temperatures, it's becoming ineffective at 
pulling heat out of the ambient air.

-D

From: Mercedes  on behalf of Randy Bennell via 
Mercedes 
Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 6:03 PM
To: dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
Cc: Randy Bennell 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

I thought they might even work down to about -20C but we get colder than
that here in the GWN. It is -25C right now at 5:00 PM.
The coldest that I have seen lately is about -33C but we sometimes
exceed that.

Randy

On 05/01/2022 4:59 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Actually, there are heat pumps now rated for lower temperatures. My 
> insulation guys in Flagstaff offered me a mini-split that’s good down to 4F 
> (-15C) for the casita. Granted, I can’t imagine the air temperature coming 
> out of it would be that great, but it’s supposed to produce heat down to that 
> ambient temperature.
>
> I passed for now, but I may still do it so I can disable the old gas wall 
> furnace that’s currently in there.
>
> -D
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 5, 2022, at 3:08 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> It really isn't a problem for Tesla owners to keep the car warm in really 
>> cold weather. They just light it on fire and it burns hot for days.
>>
>> Heat pumps for houses don't work here in the winter temperatures. They are 
>> fine in spring and fall but come winter, you will be relying upon electric 
>> heat built in to the heat pump system.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 05/01/2022 2:39 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Ask the folks in Teslas who were stranded on the interstate in Virginia.
>>>
>>> I think at least the newer EV cars do not use resistance heating, which 
>>> would be a heavy drain on the batteries, but use a heat pump system which 
>>> should be more efficient, at least as long as it's not *too* cold outside.
>>>
>>> I don't know how a half-charged EV vs. a car with a half-tank of gas would 
>>> compare as far as keeping warm enough to prevent hypothermia in a "stranded 
>>> in a blizzard" scenario.
>>>
>>> Allan
>>>
>>>


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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I thought they might even work down to about -20C but we get colder than 
that here in the GWN. It is -25C right now at 5:00 PM.
The coldest that I have seen lately is about -33C but we sometimes 
exceed that.


Randy

On 05/01/2022 4:59 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Actually, there are heat pumps now rated for lower temperatures. My insulation 
guys in Flagstaff offered me a mini-split that’s good down to 4F (-15C) for the 
casita. Granted, I can’t imagine the air temperature coming out of it would be 
that great, but it’s supposed to produce heat down to that ambient temperature.

I passed for now, but I may still do it so I can disable the old gas wall 
furnace that’s currently in there.

-D

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 5, 2022, at 3:08 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes  
wrote:

It really isn't a problem for Tesla owners to keep the car warm in really cold 
weather. They just light it on fire and it burns hot for days.

Heat pumps for houses don't work here in the winter temperatures. They are fine 
in spring and fall but come winter, you will be relying upon electric heat 
built in to the heat pump system.

Randy




On 05/01/2022 2:39 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
Ask the folks in Teslas who were stranded on the interstate in Virginia.

I think at least the newer EV cars do not use resistance heating, which would 
be a heavy drain on the batteries, but use a heat pump system which should be 
more efficient, at least as long as it's not *too* cold outside.

I don't know how a half-charged EV vs. a car with a half-tank of gas would compare as far 
as keeping warm enough to prevent hypothermia in a "stranded in a blizzard" 
scenario.

Allan





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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Actually, there are heat pumps now rated for lower temperatures. My insulation 
guys in Flagstaff offered me a mini-split that’s good down to 4F (-15C) for the 
casita. Granted, I can’t imagine the air temperature coming out of it would be 
that great, but it’s supposed to produce heat down to that ambient temperature.

I passed for now, but I may still do it so I can disable the old gas wall 
furnace that’s currently in there.

-D

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 5, 2022, at 3:08 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It really isn't a problem for Tesla owners to keep the car warm in really 
> cold weather. They just light it on fire and it burns hot for days.
> 
> Heat pumps for houses don't work here in the winter temperatures. They are 
> fine in spring and fall but come winter, you will be relying upon electric 
> heat built in to the heat pump system.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
> 
>> On 05/01/2022 2:39 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> Ask the folks in Teslas who were stranded on the interstate in Virginia.
>> 
>> I think at least the newer EV cars do not use resistance heating, which 
>> would be a heavy drain on the batteries, but use a heat pump system which 
>> should be more efficient, at least as long as it's not *too* cold outside.
>> 
>> I don't know how a half-charged EV vs. a car with a half-tank of gas would 
>> compare as far as keeping warm enough to prevent hypothermia in a "stranded 
>> in a blizzard" scenario.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: 1964 Corvair Monza Convertible - $7,900

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If that works out, great. I typically buy cars with the assumption that I will 
be selling them to the salvage yard when I've worn them out.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, at 5:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> But it doesn't hurt to know that you can drive a car for a few years and then 
> possibly sell it for more than you paid.
> 
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 5:42 PM Allan Streib  wrote:
>> __
>> I would never buy a car as an investment, but that's just me.
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, at 5:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>> That will almost certainly appreciate over the next millennium or two if 
>>> you can wait...
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 5:28 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
 Looks like it would be a fun summer cruiser.
 
 https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/pendleton-1964-corvair-monza-convertible/7428858494.html
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: 1964 Corvair Monza Convertible - $7,900

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But it doesn't hurt to know that you can drive a car for a few years and
then possibly sell it for more than you paid.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 5:42 PM Allan Streib  wrote:

> I would never buy a car as an investment, but that's just me.
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, at 5:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
> That will almost certainly appreciate over the next millennium or two if
> you can wait...
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 5:28 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Looks like it would be a fun summer cruiser.
>
>
> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/pendleton-1964-corvair-monza-convertible/7428858494.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT: 1964 Corvair Monza Convertible - $7,900

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I would never buy a car as an investment, but that's just me.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, at 5:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> That will almost certainly appreciate over the next millennium or two if you 
> can wait...
> 
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 5:28 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> Looks like it would be a fun summer cruiser.
>> 
>> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/pendleton-1964-corvair-monza-convertible/7428858494.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT No title not running don’t know why 1988 Jaguar XJS V12 Coupe 2D,$800

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Maybe for Caleb to kickstart his Jag collection?

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 2:12 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> The injectors on the seat might have something to do with it. that, and
> its a Jagyoowah V12
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: 1964 Corvair Monza Convertible - $7,900

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That will almost certainly appreciate over the next millennium or two if
you can wait...

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 5:28 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Looks like it would be a fun summer cruiser.
>
>
> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/pendleton-1964-corvair-monza-convertible/7428858494.html
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Re: [MBZ] 2001 E430 - 123k miles - $2,950

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Their rottweiler rode shotgun on the center console.

There was an E250 for sale in TX that had heated and COOLED front seats.
Very rare option.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 4:33 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Looking closer at the photos, there is more bubbled paint than I saw the
> first time, not just a few spots. That's probably a deal-breaker for a
> W210. Dented trunk lid as well.
>
> Allan
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, at 4:06 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> > No heated seats. Possibly a Southern car.
> >
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Sent: January 5, 2022 1:02 PM
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: astr...@fastmail.fm
> > Subject: [MBZ] 2001 E430 - 123k miles - $2,950
> >
> > I like the color. A few small rust spots showing.
> >
> >
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/cto/d/evanston-2001-mercedes-benz-430/7428999343.html
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Re: [MBZ] 2003 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 4MATIC Wagon 4D,$17,000

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Looking for that one su**er born every minute.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 2:36 PM Frederick Moir via Mercedes <
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> Watch out for those purple mushrooms.
> Fred
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 2:01 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Better get there fast, this one is going to have a lot of potential
> buyers
> >
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[MBZ] OT: 1964 Corvair Monza Convertible - $7,900

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Looks like it would be a fun summer cruiser.

https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/pendleton-1964-corvair-monza-convertible/7428858494.html

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

It really isn't a problem for Tesla owners to keep the car warm in 
really cold weather. They just light it on fire and it burns hot for days.


Heat pumps for houses don't work here in the winter temperatures. They 
are fine in spring and fall but come winter, you will be relying upon 
electric heat built in to the heat pump system.


Randy



On 05/01/2022 2:39 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Ask the folks in Teslas who were stranded on the interstate in Virginia.

I think at least the newer EV cars do not use resistance heating, which would 
be a heavy drain on the batteries, but use a heat pump system which should be 
more efficient, at least as long as it's not *too* cold outside.

I don't know how a half-charged EV vs. a car with a half-tank of gas would compare as far 
as keeping warm enough to prevent hypothermia in a "stranded in a blizzard" 
scenario.

Allan





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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Do you have block heaters in your vehicles? If not, get them installed. 
Not expensive and if plugged in and kept warm, the vehicle will start. 
You can also get battery blankets that are electric heaters to keep the 
battery warm.


Randy


On 05/01/2022 3:03 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote:

Temps this week hover around 0*F in ANC.  The carpet installers are using the 
garage to prep so the cars are out on the street.  I tried to move one that had 
sat overnight to put it in the driveway.  Maybe 30 hour cold soaked and that 
poor battery was nearly incapable of spinning it over.  Like a no glow start on 
an OM615.  Did get it lit off after a few tries and hooked it to the charger 
once the engine was up to temp and battery warmed.  Tried to move it this 
morning and it was not happy.  Maybe it wants a real winter battery.



Clay



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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

No. I wear a hoodie, jeans, sneakers, and no gloves. If I get stuck, I get on 
twitter and complain that nobody is coming to help.


On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, at 4:15 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:
> You have blankets, a parka, and insulated boots in the trunk, right?
> Mitch.
>
> On 2022-01-05 15:39, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I don't know how a half-charged EV vs. a car with a half-tank of gas
>> would compare as far as keeping warm enough to prevent hypothermia in
>> a "stranded in a blizzard" scenario.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 2001 E430 - 123k miles - $2,950

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Looking closer at the photos, there is more bubbled paint than I saw the first 
time, not just a few spots. That's probably a deal-breaker for a W210. Dented 
trunk lid as well.

Allan

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, at 4:06 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> No heated seats. Possibly a Southern car.
>
>
> Rick
>
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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> Cc: astr...@fastmail.fm
> Subject: [MBZ] 2001 E430 - 123k miles - $2,950
>
> I like the color. A few small rust spots showing.
>
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/cto/d/evanston-2001-mercedes-benz-430/7428999343.html
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

You have blankets, a parka, and insulated boots in the trunk, right?
Mitch.

On 2022-01-05 15:39, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:


I don't know how a half-charged EV vs. a car with a half-tank of gas
would compare as far as keeping warm enough to prevent hypothermia in
a "stranded in a blizzard" scenario.



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Re: [MBZ] 2001 E430 - 123k miles - $2,950

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

No heated seats. Possibly a Southern car.


Rick

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Subject: [MBZ] 2001 E430 - 123k miles - $2,950

I like the color. A few small rust spots showing.

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Clay via Mercedes]

Temps this week hover around 0*F in ANC.  The carpet installers are using the 
garage to prep so the cars are out on the street.  I tried to move one that had 
sat overnight to put it in the driveway.  Maybe 30 hour cold soaked and that 
poor battery was nearly incapable of spinning it over.  Like a no glow start on 
an OM615.  Did get it lit off after a few tries and hooked it to the charger 
once the engine was up to temp and battery warmed.  Tried to move it this 
morning and it was not happy.  Maybe it wants a real winter battery.



Clay

> On Jan 5, 2022, at 11:39 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ask the folks in Teslas who were stranded on the interstate in Virginia.
> 
> I think at least the newer EV cars do not use resistance heating, which would 
> be a heavy drain on the batteries, but use a heat pump system which should be 
> more efficient, at least as long as it's not *too* cold outside.
> 
> I don't know how a half-charged EV vs. a car with a half-tank of gas would 
> compare as far as keeping warm enough to prevent hypothermia in a "stranded 
> in a blizzard" scenario.
> 
> Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Also, that's why the 620 claimed range is welcome ... in real world conditions 
running the heat or AC, it's still probably going to have "useful" range even 
if it doesn't manage the ideal-condition "rated" range.


On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, at 3:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> I just wonder how harsh weather conditions would affect driving range. For 
> example, full AC or heat when it's a hundred degrees or 20 degrees has got to 
> be a severe drain on the batteries.
> 
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, 2:23 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> If it really has a 620 mile range (assume real-world ~500) that would be 
>> quite welcome. Not a fan of the wide screen and other gizmos. Give me a car 
>> with that range, basic gauges on the dash, a manual climate control system, 
>> real switches for the headlights, wipers, and other accessories, and I might 
>> be interested.
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> > MB Tex was the distant ancestor of vegan upholstery.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 8:44 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Wasn’t that called “MBTex”?
>> >>
>> >> --FT
>> >> Sent from iFōn
>> >>
>> >> > On Jan 3, 2022, at 8:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Fisker uses vegan leather too.
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, 7:02 PM Clay via Mercedes 
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Vegan leather = Mango fruit leather
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Clay
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> On Jan 3, 2022, at 2:57 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > >> >
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38651341/mercedes-benz-vision-eqxx-concept-revealed/
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> OK Don
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
>> >> >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
>> >> >> Wernher
>> >> >>> Von Braun
>> >> >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> >> >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>> >> >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
>> >> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Ask the folks in Teslas who were stranded on the interstate in Virginia.

I think at least the newer EV cars do not use resistance heating, which would 
be a heavy drain on the batteries, but use a heat pump system which should be 
more efficient, at least as long as it's not *too* cold outside.

I don't know how a half-charged EV vs. a car with a half-tank of gas would 
compare as far as keeping warm enough to prevent hypothermia in a "stranded in 
a blizzard" scenario.

Allan


On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, at 3:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> I just wonder how harsh weather conditions would affect driving range. For 
> example, full AC or heat when it's a hundred degrees or 20 degrees has got to 
> be a severe drain on the batteries.
> 
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, 2:23 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> If it really has a 620 mile range (assume real-world ~500) that would be 
>> quite welcome. Not a fan of the wide screen and other gizmos. Give me a car 
>> with that range, basic gauges on the dash, a manual climate control system, 
>> real switches for the headlights, wipers, and other accessories, and I might 
>> be interested.
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> > MB Tex was the distant ancestor of vegan upholstery.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 8:44 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Wasn’t that called “MBTex”?
>> >>
>> >> --FT
>> >> Sent from iFōn
>> >>
>> >> > On Jan 3, 2022, at 8:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Fisker uses vegan leather too.
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, 7:02 PM Clay via Mercedes 
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Vegan leather = Mango fruit leather
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Clay
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> On Jan 3, 2022, at 2:57 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > >> >
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38651341/mercedes-benz-vision-eqxx-concept-revealed/
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> OK Don
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
>> >> >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
>> >> >> Wernher
>> >> >>> Von Braun
>> >> >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> >> >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>> >> >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
>> >> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

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I just wonder how harsh weather conditions would affect driving range. For
example, full AC or heat when it's a hundred degrees or 20 degrees has got
to be a severe drain on the batteries.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, 2:23 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> If it really has a 620 mile range (assume real-world ~500) that would be
> quite welcome. Not a fan of the wide screen and other gizmos. Give me a car
> with that range, basic gauges on the dash, a manual climate control system,
> real switches for the headlights, wipers, and other accessories, and I
> might be interested.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > MB Tex was the distant ancestor of vegan upholstery.
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 8:44 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Wasn’t that called “MBTex”?
> >>
> >> --FT
> >> Sent from iFōn
> >>
> >> > On Jan 3, 2022, at 8:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Fisker uses vegan leather too.
> >> >
> >> >> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, 7:02 PM Clay via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Vegan leather = Mango fruit leather
> >> >>
> >> >> Clay
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Jan 3, 2022, at 2:57 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >> >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >>
> https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38651341/mercedes-benz-vision-eqxx-concept-revealed/
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> OK Don
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time
> to
> >> >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >> >>>
> >> >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am
> doing.”
> >> >> Wernher
> >> >>> Von Braun
> >> >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> >> >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> >> >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
> >> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Attractive green '88 Bentley on BAT

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It goes without saying that purchasing this vehicle includes one year of
instruction on how to drive and maintain a British car. And instructions on
how to dress like a British aristocrat. Remember, it's Grey Poupon mustard,
not Heinz yellow hamburger relish..

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> Contact the RR factory and they can make one for you for $12,000
>
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> Sent from iFōn
>
> > On Jan 5, 2022, at 1:39 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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> >
> > Can you get a trailer hitch for one of those?
> >
> > Randy
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 05/01/2022 11:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Bidding might not exceed $10k.  Seller's agent is a witty Canadian -
> read
> >> the repartee for chuckles.
> >> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-bentley-mulsanne-r/
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Re: [MBZ] 2003 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 4MATIC Wagon 4D,$17,000

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Watch out for those purple mushrooms.
Fred

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

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If it really has a 620 mile range (assume real-world ~500) that would be quite 
welcome. Not a fan of the wide screen and other gizmos. Give me a car with that 
range, basic gauges on the dash, a manual climate control system, real switches 
for the headlights, wipers, and other accessories, and I might be interested.


On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> MB Tex was the distant ancestor of vegan upholstery.
>
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 8:44 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Wasn’t that called “MBTex”?
>>
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>>
>> > On Jan 3, 2022, at 8:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Fisker uses vegan leather too.
>> >
>> >> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, 7:02 PM Clay via Mercedes 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Vegan leather = Mango fruit leather
>> >>
>> >> Clay
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Jan 3, 2022, at 2:57 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38651341/mercedes-benz-vision-eqxx-concept-revealed/
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> OK Don
>> >>>
>> >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
>> >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> >>>
>> >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
>> >> Wernher
>> >>> Von Braun
>> >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>> >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
>> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Attractive green '88 Bentley on BAT

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Contact the RR factory and they can make one for you for $12,000

--FT
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> On Jan 5, 2022, at 1:39 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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> 
> Can you get a trailer hitch for one of those?
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
> 
>> On 05/01/2022 11:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Bidding might not exceed $10k.  Seller's agent is a witty Canadian - read
>> the repartee for chuckles.
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-bentley-mulsanne-r/
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[MBZ] Loudvision Ceo -- 2007 Mercedes-Benz CLS-Class CLS 550 Coupe 4D, $3, 500

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https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/484733002987073

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[MBZ] OT No title not running don’t know why 1988 Jaguar XJS V12 Coupe 2D,$800

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The injectors on the seat might have something to do with it. that, and 
its a Jagyoowah V12


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[MBZ] I am looking to trade for a 2004+ Lincoln Towncar 1993 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 400 E Sedan 4D, $4, 500

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Looks a little rough

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[MBZ] 1969 Mercedes-Benz the generation is w108,$3,200

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Needs work but it will turn on an run

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3013126705604042

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[MBZ] 2001 E430 - 123k miles - $2,950

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I like the color. A few small rust spots showing.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/cto/d/evanston-2001-mercedes-benz-430/7428999343.html
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[MBZ] 2003 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 4MATIC Wagon 4D,$17,000

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Better get there fast, this one is going to have a lot of potential buyers

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/886680095363629

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Re: [MBZ] Attractive green '88 Bentley on BAT

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Can you get a trailer hitch for one of those?

Randy



On 05/01/2022 11:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Bidding might not exceed $10k.  Seller's agent is a witty Canadian - read
the repartee for chuckles.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-bentley-mulsanne-r/
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Re: [MBZ] Attractive green '88 Bentley on BAT

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Darn, I paid more than this for my Citroen 2CV!


On 2022-01-05 12:39, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
Bidding might not exceed $10k.  Seller's agent is a witty Canadian - 
read

the repartee for chuckles.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-bentley-mulsanne-r/


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[MBZ] Attractive green '88 Bentley on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Bidding might not exceed $10k.  Seller's agent is a witty Canadian - read
the repartee for chuckles.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-bentley-mulsanne-r/
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Re: [MBZ] I'll take his word for it 1987 Mercedes Benz 420 SEL - $12, 500 (Cary)

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It's brown - rare for a 126 sedan.

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[MBZ] I'll take his word for it 1987 Mercedes Benz 420 SEL - $12, 500 (Cary)

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https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/cary-1987-mercedes-benz-420-sel/7428843842.html

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[MBZ] Needs Transmission Work Mercedes Benz - $600 (Winston-Salem)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

1999 Mercedes Benz E-320

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