Re: [MBZ] 1979 280SL Project Car - $5,999

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

On 2023-05-25 20:02, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Just clarifying. I know Dual. I had no idea they made car audio,
though. Don’t think I ever saw a Dual head unit.


Can Dual be added to the list of formerly respected names that went 
toes-up, the Chinese bought the name at the bankruptcy sale, and now the 
name means nothing?


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Re: [MBZ] 1979 280SL Project Car - $5,999

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Well, the Dual car cassette deck I owned 40 years ago was pretty good.
What they're like now, present deponent knoweth not.

-MMM-

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> Brand. Highly recommended by MMM.
>
>
> Rick
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> “Dual” as in the brand or two cassette decks?
>
> -D
>
> > On May 25, 2023, at 7:19 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > With those speakers I bet it has a Dual cassette deck too
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iFōn
> >
> >> On May 25, 2023, at 7:15 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> That’s not bad and potentially an easy fix. I’ll bet the linkage is
> goofed up. Get them to knock $1000 off for the stupid Recaro seats and it
> could be a deal.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On May 25, 2023, at 7:04 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "Includes soft top in poor condition."
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] 1979 280SL Project Car - $5,999

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I know Dual from turntables back in the day (I think.) I had no idea they made 
car audio.

My first cassette deck was a side loading hang under the dash with one of those 
removable slide mount Radio Shack models. Worked great in my 1970 Ford Maverick 
two door.

First cassette I ever owned was Electric Light Orchestra - Face the Music.

-D

> On May 26, 2023, at 8:56 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, the Dual car cassette deck I owned 40 years ago was pretty good.
> What they're like now, present deponent knoweth not.
> 
> -MMM-
> 
> On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 7:01 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
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>> Brand. Highly recommended by MMM.
>> 
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Sent: May 25, 2023 6:27 PM
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>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1979 280SL Project Car - $5,999
>> 
>> “Dual” as in the brand or two cassette decks?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On May 25, 2023, at 7:19 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> With those speakers I bet it has a Dual cassette deck too
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
>>> 
 On May 25, 2023, at 7:15 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 That’s not bad and potentially an easy fix. I’ll bet the linkage is
>> goofed up. Get them to knock $1000 off for the stupid Recaro seats and it
>> could be a deal.
 
 -D
 
> On May 25, 2023, at 7:04 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> "Includes soft top in poor condition."
> 
> 
>> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/indianapolis-1979-mercedes-280sl/7625259260.html
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone Feel Brave?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Mine was intact and caused no problems. I don't know about the new owner,
however.

On Thu, May 25, 2023, 7:29 PM Craig via Mercedes 
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> On Thu, 25 May 2023 23:12:18 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
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> > Yes, there was a campaign by Mercedes to remove them because they would
> > fail internally and destroy the turbo and engine, I believe. The
> > material was some sort of catalyst-like honeycomb, I think.
> >
> > Been a long time since I’ve seen one…
>
> Pictures of with and without trap oxidizer.
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Re: [MBZ] 1979 280SL Project Car - $5,999

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> Is that [manual transmission] somewhat rare?

Quite.  Pretty car, except that I hate all the 'upgrades' they did.
Seats, steering wheel, rear speakers, wheels, etc.

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Re: [MBZ] 1979 280SL Project Car - $5,999

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Agreed. A big part of sorting that car would be reversing all the 
“modifications”.

-D

> On May 26, 2023, at 10:48 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
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>> Is that [manual transmission] somewhat rare?
> 
> Quite.  Pretty car, except that I hate all the 'upgrades' they did.
> Seats, steering wheel, rear speakers, wheels, etc.
> 
> -- Jim
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[MBZ] Needs back windshield, 2 back driver side windows, ignition module, and exhaust work. 1998 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 320 Wagon 4D, $2, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

It does still have the Catalytic Converter on it.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3493218317612987

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[MBZ] Engine ok. Transmision ok. Ac ok. Clean Titel ok. All ok. 2007 Mercedes-Benz r-class R 350 Sport Wagon 4D, $2, 800

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

ok

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[MBZ] 2006 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 350 4MATIC Sedan 4D,$2,000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

This looks really nice for 290kmi.  I'm wondering if it made it this far 
the engine might not munch?


Driven 290,000 miles

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[MBZ] Nice car no literally on road ready. 2008 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 320 BLUETEC Sedan 4D, $6, 000

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Re: [MBZ] Nice car no literally on road ready. 2008 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 320 BLUETEC Sedan 4D, $6, 000

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Bluetec with a gas engine.  Something for everyone.

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Re: [MBZ] 1972 350SL - 50k miles - $25,000

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No, IIRC, it's one of the most desirable years, before the 450 engine was
de-tuned even more. Only the last years 560SL had more power.
See: Road and Track Article 1994 Mercedes Benz 107 SL SLC Roadster
(mb107.com) 

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> Pretty car. '72 is a bad year as far as emissions crap IIRC?
>
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“Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Werner
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In engineering if you do not know what you are doing you should not be
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[MBZ] OT 1990 catilicaic brougham

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I do not know much about it.

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Re: [MBZ] Anyone Feel Brave?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

No, the Cats were beside the head in the engine compartment in '75 and '76.
They cooked everything there. The solution is to get exhaust manifolds from
another model year and the associated front section of the exhaust pipe.

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> That could be a good deal, other than '75 has the infamous catalytic
> converters that cause fires when you park over a pile of dried leaves.
>
> On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 1:19 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone Feel Brave?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

The SLC was the best driving MB I owned. It would look better with a pagoda
roof though. A modern reasonably efficient engine would help as well ...

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Re: [MBZ] Anyone Feel Brave?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I should have kept the OK Don SLC.

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> On May 26, 2023, at 11:09 AM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The SLC was the best driving MB I owned. It would look better with a pagoda
> roof though. A modern reasonably efficient engine would help as well ...
> 
>> On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 12:19 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/203081502613456/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I kinds like this…SLCs are growing on me.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> are wearing."
> 
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Werner
> Von Braun
> 
> "In science if you know what you are doing you should not be doing it.
> In engineering if you do not know what you are doing you should not be
> doing it."
>-- Richard W. Hamming, The Art of Doing Science and Engineering
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Re: [MBZ] 1972 350SL - 50k miles - $25,000

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Emissions weren’t really bad until around 1974, which is probably peak 
emissions junk on cars from my recollection. Manufacturers had some time to put 
stuff on the cars, and form about 1970 to 1972-3, from what I’ve seen Mercedes 
dealt with it on gassers by playing games with timing and that’s about it. It 
wasn’t until 1974 and later where they got all crazy with cadillac converters.

-D

> On May 26, 2023, at 11:47 AM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> No, IIRC, it's one of the most desirable years, before the 450 engine was
> de-tuned even more. Only the last years 560SL had more power.
> See: Road and Track Article 1994 Mercedes Benz 107 SL SLC Roadster
> (mb107.com) 
> 
> On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 11:01 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Pretty car. '72 is a bad year as far as emissions crap IIRC?
>> 
>> 
>> https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/chicago-1972-mercedes-350sl-50k/7625381836.html
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> 
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Werner
> Von Braun
> 
> "In science if you know what you are doing you should not be doing it.
> In engineering if you do not know what you are doing you should not be
> doing it."
>-- Richard W. Hamming, The Art of Doing Science and Engineering
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Re: [MBZ] Needs back windshield, 2 back driver side windows, ignition module, and exhaust work. 1998 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 320 Wagon 4D, $2, 000

[G Mann via Mercedes]

All those windows broken and no bullet holes in the panels?
I do wonder what broke them..

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> It does still have the Catalytic Converter on it.
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Re: [MBZ] Needs back windshield, 2 back driver side windows, ignition module, and exhaust work. 1998 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 320 Wagon 4D, $2, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

The story is worth the extra $1500 he is asking

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On 5/26/23 12:32 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

All those windows broken and no bullet holes in the panels?
I do wonder what broke them..

On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 8:31 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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It does still have the Catalytic Converter on it.

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Re: [MBZ] 1972 350SL - 50k miles - $25,000

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

'74 is supposedly a good year, 75 and 76 the worst.

On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 12:29 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> Emissions weren’t really bad until around 1974, which is probably peak
> emissions junk on cars from my recollection. Manufacturers had some time to
> put stuff on the cars, and form about 1970 to 1972-3, from what I’ve seen
> Mercedes dealt with it on gassers by playing games with timing and that’s
> about it. It wasn’t until 1974 and later where they got all crazy with
> cadillac converters.
>
> -D
>
> > On May 26, 2023, at 11:47 AM, OK Don via Mercedes 
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> >
> > No, IIRC, it's one of the most desirable years, before the 450 engine was
> > de-tuned even more. Only the last years 560SL had more power.
> > See: Road and Track Article 1994 Mercedes Benz 107 SL SLC Roadster
> > (mb107.com) 
> >
> > On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 11:01 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> >
> >> Pretty car. '72 is a bad year as far as emissions crap IIRC?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/chicago-1972-mercedes-350sl-50k/7625381836.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT 1990 catilicaic brougham

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That's the most realistic fake burlwood I have ever seen.

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> I do not know much about it.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - A True Land Yacht

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I owned one just like it, even the same color.
I took it in on a trade deal, about 2 weeks before the great oil embargo by
OPEC, when gas prices skyrocketed to never before seen levels... and the
454 engine that powered the land yacht, if you were careful, got a whopping
4 miles per gallon..
After trying to sell it for over 8 months.. I finally found a buyer with
$300 cash and had the happy moment of watching it drive away..
Another life experience that won't be forgotten... or repeated..

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> <
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-1959-cadillac/7625167698.html
> >
> [00L0L_j1V99i7WEHH_0ak07K_600x450.jpg]
> 1959 Cadillac Fleetwood All Original Black Plate California Car -...<
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-1959-cadillac/7625167698.html
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - A True Land Yacht

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Back in the days of MEOW and gas lines and alternate license plate number gas 
days. Fun times!

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> On May 26, 2023, at 2:35 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I owned one just like it, even the same color.
> I took it in on a trade deal, about 2 weeks before the great oil embargo by
> OPEC, when gas prices skyrocketed to never before seen levels... and the
> 454 engine that powered the land yacht, if you were careful, got a whopping
> 4 miles per gallon..
> After trying to sell it for over 8 months.. I finally found a buyer with
> $300 cash and had the happy moment of watching it drive away..
> Another life experience that won't be forgotten... or repeated..
> 
>> On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 3:14 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> <
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-1959-cadillac/7625167698.html
>>> 
>> [00L0L_j1V99i7WEHH_0ak07K_600x450.jpg]
>> 1959 Cadillac Fleetwood All Original Black Plate California Car -...<
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-1959-cadillac/7625167698.html
>>> 
>> tampa.craigslist.org<
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-1959-cadillac/7625167698.html
>>> 
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] 1972 350SL - 50k miles - $25,000

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> '74 is supposedly a good year, 75 and 76 the worst.

It's not that simple.  The '76, for example, still has the manual HVAC system.
That's not bad.  It also has first-year CIS fuel injection, which is simple and 
reliable,
and not particularly a source of fire.  I submit that the _only_ bad thing about
it is the underhood cats.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - A True Land Yacht

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On Fri, 26 May 2023 14:41:23 -0400 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Back in the days of MEOW and gas lines and alternate license plate
> number gas days. Fun times!

I had a '72 220D/8 and did not have to wait in gas lines in Sacramento.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - A True Land Yacht

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Don't forget the 55 MPH speed limit imposed to "save the planet"..
and other "government intelligence" acts which lasted for years..
Ahhh.. those were the days... The official end of cheap gas and free love..
all in one era..

On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 11:42 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> Back in the days of MEOW and gas lines and alternate license plate number
> gas days. Fun times!
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
> > On May 26, 2023, at 2:35 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > I owned one just like it, even the same color.
> > I took it in on a trade deal, about 2 weeks before the great oil embargo
> by
> > OPEC, when gas prices skyrocketed to never before seen levels... and the
> > 454 engine that powered the land yacht, if you were careful, got a
> whopping
> > 4 miles per gallon..
> > After trying to sell it for over 8 months.. I finally found a buyer with
> > $300 cash and had the happy moment of watching it drive away..
> > Another life experience that won't be forgotten... or repeated..
> >
> >> On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 3:14 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> <
> >>
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-1959-cadillac/7625167698.html
> >>>
> >> [00L0L_j1V99i7WEHH_0ak07K_600x450.jpg]
> >> 1959 Cadillac Fleetwood All Original Black Plate California Car -...<
> >>
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-1959-cadillac/7625167698.html
> >>>
> >> tampa.craigslist.org<
> >>
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> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - A True Land Yacht

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Actually, the 55 mph speed limit did work. The planet was saved.

On Fri, May 26, 2023, 4:05 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Don't forget the 55 MPH speed limit imposed to "save the planet"..
> and other "government intelligence" acts which lasted for years..
> Ahhh.. those were the days... The official end of cheap gas and free love..
> all in one era..
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 11:42 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Back in the days of MEOW and gas lines and alternate license plate number
> > gas days. Fun times!
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iFōn
> >
> > > On May 26, 2023, at 2:35 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I owned one just like it, even the same color.
> > > I took it in on a trade deal, about 2 weeks before the great oil
> embargo
> > by
> > > OPEC, when gas prices skyrocketed to never before seen levels... and
> the
> > > 454 engine that powered the land yacht, if you were careful, got a
> > whopping
> > > 4 miles per gallon..
> > > After trying to sell it for over 8 months.. I finally found a buyer
> with
> > > $300 cash and had the happy moment of watching it drive away..
> > > Another life experience that won't be forgotten... or repeated..
> > >
> > >> On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 3:14 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> <
> > >>
> >
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-1959-cadillac/7625167698.html
> > >>>
> > >> [00L0L_j1V99i7WEHH_0ak07K_600x450.jpg]
> > >> 1959 Cadillac Fleetwood All Original Black Plate California Car -...<
> > >>
> >
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-1959-cadillac/7625167698.html
> > >>>
> > >> tampa.craigslist.org<
> > >>
> >
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> > >>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - A True Land Yacht

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> Actually, the 55 mph speed limit did work. The planet was saved.

I remember the change.  The "Are we there yet?" game got a _lot_ more
frustrating for the parental units...

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Re: [MBZ] OT - A True Land Yacht

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59 Fleetwood, probably had not a 454 but a similar sized Cadillac engine 
(Cadillac always made their own) but at least the Eldorado of the same year had 
a triple 2 barrel carb setup.  If you could keep it tuned properly it got 17-18 
mpg or better on the highway and would still rocket that lead sled up to 
terrifying speeds for the four wheel drum brakes.

Incredibly ugly cars.

A heavy foot, yeah, single digit mileage.

Drove like a log wagon too.

Peter

> On May 26, 2023, at 3:35 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
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> 
>> Actually, the 55 mph speed limit did work. The planet was saved.
> 
> I remember the change.  The "Are we there yet?" game got a _lot_ more
> frustrating for the parental units...
> 
> -- Jim
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55 MPH may have worked in the densely populated east, however in the
western states where distance is measured not in miles but hours from point
to point, it was a total failure.
Truck freight, where drivers are paid on miles driven and tons delivered,
took a huge pay cut, over "hauling the freight" at 75 MPH..
But, to those who do not agree... you are of course right..
Yawnnn..

On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 1:36 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
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> > Actually, the 55 mph speed limit did work. The planet was saved.
>
> I remember the change.  The "Are we there yet?" game got a _lot_ more
> frustrating for the parental units...
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - A True Land Yacht

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My former 1964 Fleetwood 60 Special with a 390 and a THM “Jetaway 200” would 
get in the mid to upper teens if you drove like an egg was under your foot. 
Stomp it and just watch the gas gauge go down…

I had to chuckle! Mrs. Dan and I like to watch Perry Mason, and the other night 
I was watching this guy drive a 1960s era car off a car lot, and you could just 
see the body swaying all over the place, like it was on a cloud.

-D

> On May 26, 2023, at 4:46 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 59 Fleetwood, probably had not a 454 but a similar sized Cadillac engine 
> (Cadillac always made their own) but at least the Eldorado of the same year 
> had a triple 2 barrel carb setup.  If you could keep it tuned properly it got 
> 17-18 mpg or better on the highway and would still rocket that lead sled up 
> to terrifying speeds for the four wheel drum brakes.
> 
> Incredibly ugly cars.
> 
> A heavy foot, yeah, single digit mileage.
> 
> Drove like a log wagon too.
> 
> Peter
> 
>> On May 26, 2023, at 3:35 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Actually, the 55 mph speed limit did work. The planet was saved.
>> 
>> I remember the change.  The "Are we there yet?" game got a _lot_ more
>> frustrating for the parental units...
>> 
>> -- Jim
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - A True Land Yacht

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Yes. 


> On May 26, 2023, at 4:49 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 55 MPH may have worked in the densely populated east, however in the
> western states where distance is measured not in miles but hours from point
> to point, it was a total failure.
> Truck freight, where drivers are paid on miles driven and tons delivered,
> took a huge pay cut, over "hauling the freight" at 75 MPH..
> But, to those who do not agree... you are of course right..
> Yawnnn..
> 
> On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 1:36 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Actually, the 55 mph speed limit did work. The planet was saved.
>> 
>> I remember the change.  The "Are we there yet?" game got a _lot_ more
>> frustrating for the parental units...
>> 
>> -- Jim
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - A True Land Yacht

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Ironically, my 2014 Bluetec GLK 250 diesel has optimal fuel economy between
60 and 70 mph

On Fri, May 26, 2023, 5:06 PM Michael Esh via Mercedes <
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> Yes.
>
>
> > On May 26, 2023, at 4:49 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > 55 MPH may have worked in the densely populated east, however in the
> > western states where distance is measured not in miles but hours from
> point
> > to point, it was a total failure.
> > Truck freight, where drivers are paid on miles driven and tons delivered,
> > took a huge pay cut, over "hauling the freight" at 75 MPH..
> > But, to those who do not agree... you are of course right..
> > Yawnnn..
> >
> > On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 1:36 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> Actually, the 55 mph speed limit did work. The planet was saved.
> >>
> >> I remember the change.  The "Are we there yet?" game got a _lot_ more
> >> frustrating for the parental units...
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - A True Land Yacht

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I was not onld enough to really be paying attention to the justifications at 
the time of the change, but what I do recall was 55MPH being about saving fuel 
due to supply limits, not for environmental reasons. Those were also the days 
where we wore coats in class during the winter because the schools kept the 
heat turned down, and they had half the lights shut off, etc.


On Fri, May 26, 2023, at 15:48, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> 55 MPH may have worked in the densely populated east, however in the
> western states where distance is measured not in miles but hours from point
> to point, it was a total failure.
> Truck freight, where drivers are paid on miles driven and tons delivered,
> took a huge pay cut, over "hauling the freight" at 75 MPH..
> But, to those who do not agree... you are of course right..
> Yawnnn..
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 1:36 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> > Actually, the 55 mph speed limit did work. The planet was saved.
>>
>> I remember the change.  The "Are we there yet?" game got a _lot_ more
>> frustrating for the parental units...
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - A True Land Yacht

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Well, the point was to reduce fuel consumption, and lower speed does indeed do 
that EXCEPT in some trucks with engine like screaming Jimmies where the RPM 
doesn’t match up well.

Gotta remember that 70 mph speed limits were actually a fairly new thing in 
1973, most two lanes were 65 or less (in most states the non-highway roads are 
45).

Greatly reduced the fatality rate too, which has been climbing again, and is 
getting as bad as it was per mile in the 1970 even with much, much safer cars.

The problem with raising speed limits is that increases result in exponential 
increases in actual vehicle speed.  Go from 55 to 60 and the average speed goes 
to 65-70, raise it to 70 and the average speed goes to 85.  raise the limit to 
75 and the average speed goes up to 90, with drivers weaving in and out at much 
higher speeds.  Gotta be safe to drive 120 if the posted limit is 70, right?


> On May 26, 2023, at 4:05 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes. 
> 
> 
>> On May 26, 2023, at 4:49 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 55 MPH may have worked in the densely populated east, however in the
>> western states where distance is measured not in miles but hours from point
>> to point, it was a total failure.
>> Truck freight, where drivers are paid on miles driven and tons delivered,
>> took a huge pay cut, over "hauling the freight" at 75 MPH..
>> But, to those who do not agree... you are of course right..
>> Yawnnn..
>> 
>> On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 1:36 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
 Actually, the 55 mph speed limit did work. The planet was saved.
>>> 
>>> I remember the change.  The "Are we there yet?" game got a _lot_ more
>>> frustrating for the parental units...
>>> 
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[MBZ] Is this worth around $2.5-2.7k?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

https://www.copart.com/lot/53363313


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Re: [MBZ] Is this worth around $2.5-2.7k?

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What's wrong with it? Do you know more than "Primary Damage: MECHANICAL"?

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Re: [MBZ] Is this worth around $2.5-2.7k?

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Probably. I assume you bought it?
What's wrong with it, other than it's a W220?


Rick

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Re: [MBZ] Is this worth around $2.5-2.7k?

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I thought it looked to be in good shape and is really low miles, so I bid $1700 
and am high bidder. Seller countered at $2k which would be about $2700 after 
fees. It does not say it runs, had a tow hook on the front so I assume no. 
Might be a hell of a deal, or might not. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 26, 2023, at 4:36 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Probably. I assume you bought it?
> What's wrong with it, other than it's a W220?
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Is this worth around $2.5-2.7k?

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Well, it's low miles. You got the SDS computer. Probably something stupid?
Dead battery?

Probably an old guy croaked and the kids want rid of it.


Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is this worth around $2.5-2.7k?

I thought it looked to be in good shape and is really low miles, so I bid $1700 
and am high bidder. Seller countered at $2k which would be about $2700 after 
fees. It does not say it runs, had a tow hook on the front so I assume no. 
Might be a hell of a deal, or might not.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 26, 2023, at 4:36 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
>
> Probably. I assume you bought it?
> What's wrong with it, other than it's a W220?
>
>
> Rick
> 
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>
> https://www.copart.com/lot/53363313
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Re: [MBZ] Is this worth around $2.5-2.7k?

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Well I guess it’s mine to deal with now. Being that it appears to be in great 
shape and has low miles even though it doesn’t say if it runs, figure bidding 
would be high. I put in a $1700 max bid and was high bidder. Seller countered 
at $2k. I did not respond and suddenly they accepted and now it’s mine.  Sent 
from my iPhone

> On May 26, 2023, at 4:43 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> 
> I thought it looked to be in good shape and is really low miles, so I bid 
> $1700 and am high bidder. Seller countered at $2k which would be about $2700 
> after fees. It does not say it runs, had a tow hook on the front so I assume 
> no. Might be a hell of a deal, or might not. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 26, 2023, at 4:36 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Probably. I assume you bought it?
>> What's wrong with it, other than it's a W220?
>> 
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Kaleb Striplin 
>> via Mercedes 
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>> 
>> Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
>> Subject: [MBZ] Is this worth around $2.5-2.7k?
>> 
>> https://www.copart.com/lot/53363313
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Is this worth around $2.5-2.7k?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

With as low of miles as it has, surely it’s nothing too major. Anyway, will 
find out soon enough. 

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> On May 26, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Well, it's low miles. You got the SDS computer. Probably something stupid?
> Dead battery?
> 
> Probably an old guy croaked and the kids want rid of it.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
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> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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> Cc: ka...@striplin.net
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is this worth around $2.5-2.7k?
> 
> I thought it looked to be in good shape and is really low miles, so I bid 
> $1700 and am high bidder. Seller countered at $2k which would be about $2700 
> after fees. It does not say it runs, had a tow hook on the front so I assume 
> no. Might be a hell of a deal, or might not.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 26, 2023, at 4:36 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Probably. I assume you bought it?
>> What's wrong with it, other than it's a W220?
>> 
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Kaleb Striplin 
>> via Mercedes 
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>> Subject: [MBZ] Is this worth around $2.5-2.7k?
>> 
>> https://www.copart.com/lot/53363313
>> 
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[MBZ] This Doesn't Look Right

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

I've never seen one up close, but this just doesn't look right.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/185914630624


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Re: [MBZ] This Doesn't Look Right

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Having owned a 123.028, it appears to be correct from what I can tell. I would 
want to see some interior pictures, especially of the passenger compartment.

The wheels aren’t right, and the sag in the rear suggests that the SLS isn’t 
working.

-D

> On May 26, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
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> I've never seen one up close, but this just doesn't look right.
> 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/185914630624
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Re: [MBZ] This Doesn't Look Right

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

It's probably the four shades of grey that are jarring to my eyes. The back 
passenger door just looks wrong. Sagging or something.

Rick

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Having owned a 123.028, it appears to be correct from what I can tell. I would 
want to see some interior pictures, especially of the passenger compartment.

The wheels aren’t right, and the sag in the rear suggests that the SLS isn’t 
working.

-D

> On May 26, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
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>
> I've never seen one up close, but this just doesn't look right.
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/185914630624
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Re: [MBZ] Is this worth around $2.5-2.7k?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Just wanted to tell you good luck, we're counting on you. And don't call me 
Shirley.

On Fri, May 26, 2023, at 17:19, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> With as low of miles as it has, surely it’s nothing too major. Anyway, 
> will find out soon enough. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On May 26, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, it's low miles. You got the SDS computer. Probably something stupid?
>> Dead battery?
>> 
>> Probably an old guy croaked and the kids want rid of it.
>> 
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Sent: May 26, 2023 4:43 PM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: ka...@striplin.net
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is this worth around $2.5-2.7k?
>> 
>> I thought it looked to be in good shape and is really low miles, so I bid 
>> $1700 and am high bidder. Seller countered at $2k which would be about $2700 
>> after fees. It does not say it runs, had a tow hook on the front so I assume 
>> no. Might be a hell of a deal, or might not.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 26, 2023, at 4:36 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Probably. I assume you bought it?
>>> What's wrong with it, other than it's a W220?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> https://www.copart.com/lot/53363313
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