[MBZ] OT: a steam engine comes back to life

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBImv1mlcMg

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Re: [MBZ] only 35, 000 miles and 1-car owner. 1997 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 420 Sedan 4D, $14, 000

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

If it were boring beige the asking price would be half that.

On Fri, Sep 15, 2023, 6:12 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> Yeah, but $14k gorgeous?
>
> I don’t think so. Maybe, just maybe, $10k on BaT, but in the private
> marketplace, I’m thinking $8k-$9k.
>
> Beautiful car, though. Too bad it’s a 97, as the 96 and 97 W210 models had
> some quirky stuff.
>
> -D
>
> > On Sep 15, 2023, at 5:12 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > True grannymobile.  It's gorgeous.
> >
> > We are only selling it because my grandmother is now too old to drive.
> >
> > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/874232984131694
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Re: [MBZ] What every electric vehicle should have.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Haha. The panels were installed and went live on July 31st of that year. I
guess they were bulletproof before that date too.

On Fri, Sep 15, 2023, 5:03 PM Dimitri Seretakis 
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> Did someone shoot at them?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 15, 2023, at 2:41 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Solar panels have been bullet proof since July 31, 2016.
> >
> >> On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 1:11 PM Craig via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 22:54:29 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> With my solar Giorgio panels and home hook up, this is a no-brainer.
> >>> Once I have an EV it won't be reliant on coal to run.
> >>
> >> Let us know how your solar panels work out and then how using them to
> >> charge your EV works out, please.
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 250 - W114 Chassis - 1969 Mercedes-Benz,$10,000

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

My first Mercedes was a 71 250. It had the floor shifter.  Red with ivory 
interior. I loved that car. It had the 2.8 6 cylinder with the really 
complicated carbs. 

Donald H. Snook


> On Sep 15, 2023, at 5:19 PM, dan penoff.com  wrote:
> 
> Very nice, especially with the floor shifter, I don’t believe those were 
> that common.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2023, at 5:16 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This looks very nice
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2075261159481058
>> 
>> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] What the heck is the box hanging down in the passenger wheel well?

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Well I ended up with the thing and just got it home. It’s full of o2 bottles. 
Apparently it was abandoned and ended up with a tow company. No key, DPF 
appears to have been stolen but that’s just an excuse to delete and tune it out 
if it runs. Have to get a key for it. I didn’t notice it was no key when I bid, 
or else I wouldn’t have bid. Engine compartment is really clean so perhaps it 
might turn out OK. Going to have to register it before I can get a key. At 
which point I will be in it for way too much for it to be a gamble, but if the 
gamble pays off it’s still a $5k vehicle I would imagine. There is a lot of 
crap to clean out of it. 

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> On Sep 13, 2023, at 8:22 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> 
> There might be a brick of coke in there somewhere, or a lb of weed. No 
> telling what I might find in it if the seller accepts my low high bid on the 
> auction. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Sep 13, 2023, at 8:20 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 2023-09-13 20:55, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> https://www.copart.com/lot/66569863
>> 
>> I don't know, but it comes with a free oxygen bottle and CPAP hose.
>> I've seen personal effects in CoPart cars, but never more than 1/3 as much 
>> as are in this thing.
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Re: [MBZ] driven by a grandma to the grocery store, 2000 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 430 Sedan 4D, $65, 000

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I presume the seller has a great sense of humor. 

Donald H. Snook


> On Sep 15, 2023, at 4:28 PM, Floyd Thursby  wrote:
> 
> has a slight dent in the roof
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1042819180468082
> 
> -- 
> --FT
> 

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Re: [MBZ] 250 - W114 Chassis - 1969 Mercedes-Benz,$10,000

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Very nice, especially with the floor shifter, I don’t believe those were that 
common.

-D

> On Sep 15, 2023, at 5:16 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This looks very nice
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2075261159481058
> 
> -- 
> --FT
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Long, But Entertaining

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

There’s a Qatar flight out of Phoenix I see on our ADSB receiver on a regular 
basis. I think it’s a domestic flight, like to Chicago or NYC.

-D

> On Sep 15, 2023, at 3:33 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> I'm actually going to Doha on Qatar airlines next week. Boeing aircraft I 
> think...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 11:11:29 AM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> For you airplane buffs out there - close ups with the A380, 747-8, 777-300 
> and 787:
> 
> 
> [maxresdefault.jpeg]
> Qatar Airways Cockpit Airbus A380, Boeing 747-8, 777-300ER & 
> 787
> youtu.be
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Rear is slammed -- 1993 Mercedes-Benz 600 sec Coupe 2D, $4, 000

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Go for it! You need another V12, don’t you?

-D



> On Sep 15, 2023, at 5:06 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Interior looks nice, generally not too bad.  Negotiations would start at $2k 
> or less and not go much further depending on what is found with it
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/859434935543655
> 
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Re: [MBZ] only 35, 000 miles and 1-car owner. 1997 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 420 Sedan 4D, $14, 000

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Yeah, but $14k gorgeous?

I don’t think so. Maybe, just maybe, $10k on BaT, but in the private 
marketplace, I’m thinking $8k-$9k.

Beautiful car, though. Too bad it’s a 97, as the 96 and 97 W210 models had some 
quirky stuff.

-D

> On Sep 15, 2023, at 5:12 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> True grannymobile.  It's gorgeous.
> 
> We are only selling it because my grandmother is now too old to drive.
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/874232984131694
> 
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Re: [MBZ] driven by a grandma to the grocery store, 2000 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 430 Sedan 4D, $65, 000

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

… and a couple of extra zeros in the price, too.

-D

> On Sep 15, 2023, at 5:28 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> has a slight dent in the roof
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1042819180468082
> 
> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 300SE. This car has been in my family since 1998. $2000

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

That looks sweet!

“Beautiful plumage, the Norwegian Blue.”

-D

> On Sep 15, 2023, at 5:14 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> THis looks to be worth the ask.  Beautiful colors
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1601355896934800
> 
> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] Car Does Not Start 2006 Mercedes-Benz r-class,$1,600

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Timing idler. Run away.


Rick

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Subject: [MBZ] Car Does Not Start 2006 Mercedes-Benz r-class,$1,600

R500.  Could be worth a look, probably nothing too serious

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/331444765913929/

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Re: [MBZ] 1991 300SE. This car has been in my family since 1998. $2000

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On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 14:20:54 -0700 Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
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> What’s the deal with all these green cars today?

Indeed! You would expect to see green in the spring rather than the fall.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 1991 300SE. This car has been in my family since 1998. $2000

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What’s the deal with all these green cars today?

AZBob

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> On Sep 15, 2023, at 2:15 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> 
> THis looks to be worth the ask.  Beautiful colors
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1601355896934800
> 
> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] only 35, 000 miles and 1-car owner. 1997 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 420 Sedan 4D, $14, 000

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Oh my. Oh my. 

AZbob

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> On Sep 15, 2023, at 2:13 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> True grannymobile.  It's gorgeous.
> 
> We are only selling it because my grandmother is now too old to drive.
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/874232984131694
> 
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Re: [MBZ] What every electric vehicle should have.

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Did someone shoot at them?

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> On Sep 15, 2023, at 2:41 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Solar panels have been bullet proof since July 31, 2016.
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 1:11 PM Craig via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 22:54:29 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> With my solar Giorgio panels and home hook up, this is a no-brainer.
>>> Once I have an EV it won't be reliant on coal to run.
>> 
>> Let us know how your solar panels work out and then how using them to
>> charge your EV works out, please.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] What every electric vehicle should have.

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 14:40:37 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
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> Solar panels have been bullet proof since July 31, 2016.

What happened on that date to make them bullet proof?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] What every electric vehicle should have.

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The guy next door is getting a new deck put on his house. I've been talking to 
the builder, he's got solar on his house, said the payoff was 5 years.

He got it because he wanted to have a hot tub. Way oversized the system vs what 
his house needed so it would accommodate the hot tub.

This summer I've been maniacal about keeping our electricity use down, we've 
rarely gotten over 300Kwh per month yet our electric bills are higher than 
they've ever been. I think a solar array is in our future. We only need a small 
system and I don't want batteries...

-Curt


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On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 22:54:29 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
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> With my solar Giorgio panels and home hook up, this is a no-brainer.
> Once I have an EV it won't be reliant on coal to run.

Let us know how your solar panels work out and then how using them to
charge your EV works out, please.



Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Long, But Entertaining

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I'm actually going to Doha on Qatar airlines next week. Boeing aircraft I 
think...

-Curt




On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 11:11:29 AM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





For you airplane buffs out there - close ups with the A380, 747-8, 777-300 and 
787:


[maxresdefault.jpeg]
Qatar Airways Cockpit Airbus A380, Boeing 747-8, 777-300ER & 
787
youtu.be

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Re: [MBZ] O.T. Hybrid’s Batteries

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On 2023-09-15 14:41, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

That's stunning.



And if it's an old Pius with NiMH batteries, finding and replacing the 
bad cells is relatively simple, just tedious because there are a LOT of 
cells to test. For bonus points, NiMH are pretty darn hard to set on 
fire, too.


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Re: [MBZ] O.T. Hybrid’s Batteries

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That's stunning.

On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 2:40 PM Donald Snook via Mercedes <
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> My friend and Indy got stuck with a 2008 Prius (long story) so he decided
> to just drive it as long as it would last.  The last I talked to him it had
> over 400K on it with the original battery.  He did say there was some sort
> of switch related to the battery that he has replaced twice.
>
> Donald H. Snook
>
>
> > On Sep 15, 2023, at 12:19 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:
> >
> > Oldest girl, who lives in NoHo (North Hollywood, CA for you less hip
> humans) is hankering for a car finally. She is thinking hybrid, influenced
> by her friends’ reports of 40-50 mpg driving around LA.
> > Generally, are the life expectancy of the batteries more influenced by
> mileage or simply by time?
> > The more I noodle on it I feel that wondering how long the big ass
> battery will last in a 2007 Prius @133K miles is congruent to wondering how
> long the mechanicals will last on a 2015 Camry with 75K miles.
> >
> > AZBob
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] What every electric vehicle should have.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Solar panels have been bullet proof since July 31, 2016.

On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 1:11 PM Craig via Mercedes 
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> On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 22:54:29 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > With my solar Giorgio panels and home hook up, this is a no-brainer.
> > Once I have an EV it won't be reliant on coal to run.
>
> Let us know how your solar panels work out and then how using them to
> charge your EV works out, please.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] O.T. Hybrid’s Batteries

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

My friend and Indy got stuck with a 2008 Prius (long story) so he decided to 
just drive it as long as it would last.  The last I talked to him it had over 
400K on it with the original battery.  He did say there was some sort of switch 
related to the battery that he has replaced twice. 

Donald H. Snook


> On Sep 15, 2023, at 12:19 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:
> 
> Oldest girl, who lives in NoHo (North Hollywood, CA for you less hip humans) 
> is hankering for a car finally. She is thinking hybrid, influenced by her 
> friends’ reports of 40-50 mpg driving around LA. 
> Generally, are the life expectancy of the batteries more influenced by 
> mileage or simply by time? 
> The more I noodle on it I feel that wondering how long the big ass battery 
> will last in a 2007 Prius @133K miles is congruent to wondering how long the 
> mechanicals will last on a 2015 Camry with 75K miles. 
> 
> AZBob 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap Transportation

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

With proper maintenance, another 150k miles.


Rick

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How many more miles before the engine gives out?

On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 12:44 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Not bad for the ask:
>
> <
> https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/orlando-2002-mercedes-benz-ml320/7666248457.html
> >
> [00L0L_xtFL1pskZm_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
> 2002 mercedes benz for sale by owner - Orlando, FL - craigslist<
> https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/orlando-2002-mercedes-benz-ml320/7666248457.html
> >
> orlando.craigslist.org<
> https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/orlando-2002-mercedes-benz-ml320/7666248457.html
> >
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Re: [MBZ] elderly owned garage kept only 67k original miles 2004 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 320 Sedan 4D, $9, 995

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

That is gorgeous. I’d get that for the daughter if it weren’t for the premium 
requirement; she’d go broke at CA prices. 

AZBob

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> On Sep 15, 2023, at 8:50 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dang. If I could talk my wife out of her RAV4, that would make a great car. 
> But, that’s the rule. I can do what I want with my cars, just don’t mess with 
> hers. 
> 
> Donald H. Snook
> 
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Floyd Thursby  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Looks new.  This is about the best combination -- green 320 plus 722.6, a 
>> million-mile car!
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2501040380074450
>> 
>> -- 
>> --FT
>> 
>> 
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[MBZ] O.T. Hybrid’s Batteries

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Oldest girl, who lives in NoHo (North Hollywood, CA for you less hip humans) is 
hankering for a car finally. She is thinking hybrid, influenced by her friends’ 
reports of 40-50 mpg driving around LA. 
Generally, are the life expectancy of the batteries more influenced by mileage 
or simply by time? 
The more I noodle on it I feel that wondering how long the big ass battery will 
last in a 2007 Prius @133K miles is congruent to wondering how long the 
mechanicals will last on a 2015 Camry with 75K miles. 

AZBob 



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Re: [MBZ] What every electric vehicle should have.

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 22:54:29 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
 wrote:

> With my solar Giorgio panels and home hook up, this is a no-brainer.
> Once I have an EV it won't be reliant on coal to run.

Let us know how your solar panels work out and then how using them to
charge your EV works out, please.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Picture just for fun

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

That’s all Greek to me.  I’m basing it on what I read was the problem it.  
Mechanically it worked. The original owner drove it with the v-8-6-4 still 
active all the way up to 2018 when the second owner disconnected it.  

Perhaps I should amend my original statement to the 1981 Computer Technology 
THAT GM USED was not up to the challenge. 

Donald H. Snook


> On Sep 15, 2023, at 11:37 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> but 1981 computer technology wasn’t up to the job.
> 
> I think I would disagree.  The particular implementation may have been crap,
> but if the necessary mechanical bits were up to the task, the state of the art
> of electronics at that time was perfectly able to keep up.  (And would have 
> needed
> a long development time in order to get all the bugs and quirks out, which I 
> think
> is what went wrong with that engine.  This was a New Thing, and the various
> subsystems might have needed to be mixes of proactive and reactive logic, the
> partitioning and balance could well have been completely wrong in the early 
> designs
> meaning that it might _never_ work right, as initially designed.  It would 
> have been
> a fun engineering challenge, and I'm absolutely confident it could have 
> worked well.
> Eventually.)
> 
> Mind you, that was around when I was actually designing computers for a 
> living.
> And commercial- and mil-spec parts and second sources were still a thing.  
> Programs
> would have been hand-crafted and kilobytes in size, with nothing in there 
> that wasn't
> completely justified, and well understood.  Not like today.
> 
> -- Jim
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [MBZ] MAKE IT STOP!!! PLEASE!! 2003 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz S-Class S 500 4MATIC Sedan 4D, $2, 500

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

It’s them shrooms that grow on cow patties and glow in the dark 

--FT
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> On Sep 15, 2023, at 1:03 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I know they’ve legalized hallucinogenic mushrooms in Oregon, but not 
> Georgia. Or have they?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2023, at 11:21 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> WHAT AM I SEEING HERE???
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/695879055898226
>> 
>> -- 
>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] MAKE IT STOP!!! PLEASE!! 2003 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz S-Class S 500 4MATIC Sedan 4D, $2, 500

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I know they’ve legalized hallucinogenic mushrooms in Oregon, but not Georgia. 
Or have they?

-D

> On Sep 15, 2023, at 11:21 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> WHAT AM I SEEING HERE???
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/695879055898226
> 
> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap Transportation

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It’s clearly been well-maintained. With 15W-50 M1 in it, I would expect another 
100k, easily.

The interior is amazing for a W163 with those kinds of miles on it. They’re 
usually destroyed by 100k.

-D

On Sep 15, 2023, at 12:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:

How many more miles before the engine gives out?

On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 12:44 PM dan penoff.com via 
Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
Not bad for the ask:


[00L0L_xtFL1pskZm_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
2002 mercedes benz for sale by owner - Orlando, FL - 
craigslist
orlando.craigslist.org

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap Transportation

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How many more miles before the engine gives out?

On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 12:44 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> Not bad for the ask:
>
> <
> https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/orlando-2002-mercedes-benz-ml320/7666248457.html
> >
> [00L0L_xtFL1pskZm_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
> 2002 mercedes benz for sale by owner - Orlando, FL - craigslist<
> https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/orlando-2002-mercedes-benz-ml320/7666248457.html
> >
> orlando.craigslist.org<
> https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/orlando-2002-mercedes-benz-ml320/7666248457.html
> >
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[MBZ] Cheap Transportation

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Not bad for the ask:


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2002 mercedes benz for sale by owner - Orlando, FL - 
craigslist
orlando.craigslist.org

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Re: [MBZ] Picture just for fun

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> but 1981 computer technology wasn’t up to the job.

I think I would disagree.  The particular implementation may have been crap,
but if the necessary mechanical bits were up to the task, the state of the art
of electronics at that time was perfectly able to keep up.  (And would have 
needed
a long development time in order to get all the bugs and quirks out, which I 
think
is what went wrong with that engine.  This was a New Thing, and the various
subsystems might have needed to be mixes of proactive and reactive logic, the
partitioning and balance could well have been completely wrong in the early 
designs
meaning that it might _never_ work right, as initially designed.  It would have 
been
a fun engineering challenge, and I'm absolutely confident it could have worked 
well.
Eventually.)

Mind you, that was around when I was actually designing computers for a living.
And commercial- and mil-spec parts and second sources were still a thing.  
Programs
would have been hand-crafted and kilobytes in size, with nothing in there that 
wasn't
completely justified, and well understood.  Not like today.

-- Jim


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[MBZ] Plus-size '78 Chrysler on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Gigantic land yacht with retro fender skirts and a gaudy red velour
interior.  Since there are no B pillars, isn't this really a 4 door hardtop
rather than a sedan?

Because it's (in)conveniently located in Calgary the bidding will probably
not achieve its fair market value.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-chrysler-newport-2/
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Re: [MBZ] Picture just for fun

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Mid-century modern!

--FT
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> On Sep 15, 2023, at 11:38 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
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> 
> My wife went to the grocery store, so the MB gets to spend a little time in 
> the garage. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> These cars are VERY different! 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Picture just for fun

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1981 Coupe DeVille — with the V8-6-4.  It was GM’s very early attempt at cylinder deactivation. It was a great idea, but 1981 computer technology wasn’t up to the job.  It was only offered for 1 year.  It’s a great engine 368 Cu (6.0L) once the cylinder deactivation is turned off. This is accomplished by removing one wire. Technically the 368 was used in 1980 also without the cylinder deactivation. They also offered it in the Commercial chassis for a few more years. Donald H. SnookOn Sep 15, 2023, at 11:07 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:Is that a 70s or 80s Caddy?On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 11:38 AM Donald Snook via Mercedes  wrote:My wife went to the grocery store, so the MB gets to spend a little time in the garage. 



These cars are VERY different! 

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] What every electric vehicle should have.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Because of my vision issues I need to have blind spot assist/monitoring.
The only EVs that have this option are Mercedes B250E (2014-2017) and new
Leaf(ve)s,  which are over $20k.  Another factor is the mandatory 8
year/100k mile warranty on the battery for any EV.  This argues for getting
a newer model or one with very low miles.  Anything over 50k miles is
probably a nonstarter. "Electric Car Batteries are Warranted. The federal
government requires manufacturers to offer an eight-year/100,000-mile
warranty on all EV batteries. California does one better, mandating a
warranty of 10 years or 150,000 miles."



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> On 2023-09-14 23:25, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
> > You want to pull your hair out, then get a Mercedes EV. They are overly
> > complicated nightmares. Better off with a leaf or a Tesla or even
> > better, keep driving your old diesels.
>
>
>  From what I remember, for affordable EVs in 2016 it was pretty much the
> Leaf (a comfortable and versatile limited range transportation
> appliance) or the Spark (a pocket hot rod, much peppier and much less
> refined than the Leaf).
> I don't remember considering the MBZ and BMW offerings at that time,
> probably due to sticker price concerns.
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Re: [MBZ] Picture just for fun

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Is that a 70s or 80s Caddy?

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> My wife went to the grocery store, so the MB gets to spend a little time
> in the garage.
>
>
>
> These cars are VERY different!
>
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Re: [MBZ] E320 vs X5

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I have had LED bulbs in the headlights of my 2013 F150 for several years 
now. No problems so far and they are brighter. My mechanic son installed 
them and for some reason looked at them again a while later and changed 
them. At that point I ended up with high and low reversed until he 
pulled them and put them back the way they were.
He did not have quite as good luck as I have. He had one of his LED 
bulbs start to flicker and had to change it out. I think he got a new 
one on warranty however.


Randy

On 15/09/2023 9:30 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

The H7-equivalent LED lamps came yesterday.  I installed them.  First I
put an H7 in the spare headlamp to see what stock lighting looked
like, aimed around the yard at night.  Surprisingly feeble, with a
rather short-height high-beam bar of light.  But it works well on the
road.  (I drove the car with the properly-installed H7 in it, the high
beams are indeed _much_ better this way.  So, that had been a
problem ever since we got the car.)  Then I put in an LED lamp.
Nothing exploded, and light came out.  The pattern looked pretty
similar, but did seem perhaps 2x as bright, and was certainly
whiter.  (Verging on blue-ish, but I don't think objectionably so.
And, these are high beams, so how they appear to oncoming drivers is
largely irrelevant, since they shouldn't be on in those conditions.)

Testing, such as it is, passed, I installed them in the car.  That was
a bit fiddly, it looks like the bulbs are intended to go in multiple
ways, just in case they have to be rotated due to the unavoidable
directionality of the LEDs vs the reflectors.  (Probably for use with
low beams, which I would not do.  I also noticed that the city light
socket on the other side is also broken, and was wedged into place
with a wad of blue paper towel.  Perhaps I should have ordered two
replacements?)  I then took another test drive.

Yes, noticeably brighter.  The light pattern seemed good while
driving, and turning high beams off made the lighting seem much
dimmer, which was not the case when I first started investigating.
We'll see how these hold up, I put the old H7s in the trunk just in
case the LEDs crap out on the road.  There were no lamp-out
indications, which is good.  (Some cars don't like some LED bulbs.)

-- Jim





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Re: [MBZ] elderly owned garage kept only 67k original miles 2004 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 320 Sedan 4D, $9, 995

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Dang. If I could talk my wife out of her RAV4, that would make a great car. 
But, that’s the rule. I can do what I want with my cars, just don’t mess with 
hers. 

Donald H. Snook


> On Sep 15, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Floyd Thursby  
> wrote:
> 
> Looks new.  This is about the best combination -- green 320 plus 722.6, a 
> million-mile car!
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2501040380074450
> 
> -- 
> --FT
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Optimistic?

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Pre-facelift (91-95) are less desirable for a lot of reasons. They’re not bad 
cars as long as you understand their shortcomings and how to maintain them.

Ideal W140 is the latest possible, but 1996 and later are all good. Very solid 
and dependable cars.

-D

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Re: [MBZ] Optimistic?

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Is it Dan who says W140? 1994? Nyet! ?

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Re: [MBZ] What every electric vehicle should have.

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

On 2023-09-14 23:25, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
You want to pull your hair out, then get a Mercedes EV. They are overly 
complicated nightmares. Better off with a leaf or a Tesla or even 
better, keep driving your old diesels.



From what I remember, for affordable EVs in 2016 it was pretty much the 
Leaf (a comfortable and versatile limited range transportation 
appliance) or the Spark (a pocket hot rod, much peppier and much less 
refined than the Leaf).
I don't remember considering the MBZ and BMW offerings at that time, 
probably due to sticker price concerns.


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Re: [MBZ] E320 vs X5

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

The H7-equivalent LED lamps came yesterday.  I installed them.  First I
put an H7 in the spare headlamp to see what stock lighting looked
like, aimed around the yard at night.  Surprisingly feeble, with a
rather short-height high-beam bar of light.  But it works well on the
road.  (I drove the car with the properly-installed H7 in it, the high
beams are indeed _much_ better this way.  So, that had been a
problem ever since we got the car.)  Then I put in an LED lamp.
Nothing exploded, and light came out.  The pattern looked pretty
similar, but did seem perhaps 2x as bright, and was certainly
whiter.  (Verging on blue-ish, but I don't think objectionably so.
And, these are high beams, so how they appear to oncoming drivers is
largely irrelevant, since they shouldn't be on in those conditions.)

Testing, such as it is, passed, I installed them in the car.  That was
a bit fiddly, it looks like the bulbs are intended to go in multiple
ways, just in case they have to be rotated due to the unavoidable
directionality of the LEDs vs the reflectors.  (Probably for use with
low beams, which I would not do.  I also noticed that the city light
socket on the other side is also broken, and was wedged into place
with a wad of blue paper towel.  Perhaps I should have ordered two
replacements?)  I then took another test drive.

Yes, noticeably brighter.  The light pattern seemed good while
driving, and turning high beams off made the lighting seem much
dimmer, which was not the case when I first started investigating.
We'll see how these hold up, I put the old H7s in the trunk just in
case the LEDs crap out on the road.  There were no lamp-out
indications, which is good.  (Some cars don't like some LED bulbs.)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Optimistic?

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Very

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> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] What every electric vehicle should have.

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Unfortunately it’s not about what people actually want or need, it’s more of a 
political thing it seems. 

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> I’m surprised the focus on EVs isn’t more on plug in hybrids.  A plug in 
> hybrid would offer some short amount of electric power then switch over to 
> hybrid after. For many people using it commute it would use mostly electric, 
> but it offers to convenience of a “regular” car. 
> 
> Donald H. Snook
> 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2023, at 9:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
>> 
>> The Nissan Leaf is a very simple, practical car. Just like any other car
>> except you get about 80 miles on a charge and then have to plug it in. I am
>> looking at Mercedes EVS for 2016 or 2017. They remind me of my GLK 250.
>> Slightly smaller, but a quite practical SUV. With my solar Giorgio panels
>> and home hook up, this is a no-brainer. Once I have an EV it won't be
>> reliant on coal to run.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Sep 14, 2023, 10:25 PM Craig via Mercedes 
>>> wrote:
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>>> The sticker on the right side of the trunk lid, that is.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Craig
>>> 
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>>>on Sunday, I rushed to get my cell phone out and powered up
>>>so I could take the picture. I was just able to take this
>>>picture as the traffic lights ahead turned green and the
>>>Leaf left me in the dust.
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[MBZ] Optimistic?

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[MBZ] Kleb Car Alert - "Bruises but not battered"

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Re: [MBZ] What every electric vehicle should have.

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I’m surprised the focus on EVs isn’t more on plug in hybrids.  A plug in hybrid 
would offer some short amount of electric power then switch over to hybrid 
after. For many people using it commute it would use mostly electric, but it 
offers to convenience of a “regular” car. 

Donald H. Snook


> On Sep 14, 2023, at 9:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> The Nissan Leaf is a very simple, practical car. Just like any other car
> except you get about 80 miles on a charge and then have to plug it in. I am
> looking at Mercedes EVS for 2016 or 2017. They remind me of my GLK 250.
> Slightly smaller, but a quite practical SUV. With my solar Giorgio panels
> and home hook up, this is a no-brainer. Once I have an EV it won't be
> reliant on coal to run.
> 
>> On Thu, Sep 14, 2023, 10:25 PM Craig via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The sticker on the right side of the trunk lid, that is.
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> P.S. When I saw this ahead of me as I was driving home from church
>> on Sunday, I rushed to get my cell phone out and powered up
>> so I could take the picture. I was just able to take this
>> picture as the traffic lights ahead turned green and the
>> Leaf left me in the dust.
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