Re: [MBZ] OT Ain't this sumpin -- 1985 Baker-Zaiker 1 of 12, $30, 000

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

https://www.themix.org.uk/travel-and-lifestyle/thegranddraw-enter-for-a-chance-to-win-this-car-49165.html

I'm just sayin'.

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Re: [MBZ] Nice W211

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

That would be a decent deal if it checks out

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> On Dec 16, 2023, at 4:51 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A stripper, but not bad for the miles and price:
> 
> 
> [00o0o_iQaQL5FLVbi_0BF0kO_600x450.jpg]
> 2004 mercedes benz e320 for sale by owner - Saint Petersburg, FL - 
> craigslist
> tampa.craigslist.org
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Nice W211

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I would call it silver rather than brown.

On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 12:22 AM Allan Streib  wrote:

> Craigslist offers limited choices for color when posting an ad: black,
> blue, brown, green, grey, orange, purple, red, silver, white, yellow.
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 17, 2023, at 00:15, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > The listing says brown but to me it's smoke silver.
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 4:51 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> A stripper, but not bad for the miles and price:
> >>
> >> <
> >>
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-2004-mercedes-benz-e320/7698516186.html
> >> >
> >> [00o0o_iQaQL5FLVbi_0BF0kO_600x450.jpg]
> >> 2004 mercedes benz e320 for sale by owner - Saint Petersburg, FL -
> >> craigslist<
> >>
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-2004-mercedes-benz-e320/7698516186.html
> >> >
> >> tampa.craigslist.org<
> >>
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-2004-mercedes-benz-e320/7698516186.html
> >> >
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Oil cooler issues have never arisen in either my E250 or GLK 250.  This is
only a problem in the 6 cylinder models, e.g. ML 350 Bluetec..

On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 10:17 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> I agree, an older mechanical diesel is still desirable but the newer ones
> with DEF and emissions crap and computers required to run them I would
> avoid. They are really only suitable for drivers who need to make frequent
> long highway trips. If you're driving infrequently and/or on mostly short
> errands they are the wrong choice.
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023, at 17:36, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> > Or simply stick with a gasser.
> >
> > I mean really is there the old school advantages to having a diesel any
> > more, especially it you look at things like oil cooler seals and DEF
> > crapola?
> >
> > AZBob
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Dec 16, 2023, at 2:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Forgot to mention, stick to pre 2009 e class or pre 2008 ML/GL to
> avoid DEF.
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right now,
> many of them reasonably priced.
> >>> Steer clear?
> >>> I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He  maintains,
> that among Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350.
> >>> The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be deliberate.
> I’m not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if I get
> some type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a
> trailer.
> >>>
> >>> Here we go.
> >>>
> >>> AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] Nice W211

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Craigslist offers limited choices for color when posting an ad: black, blue, 
brown, green, grey, orange, purple, red, silver, white, yellow.


On Sun, Dec 17, 2023, at 00:15, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> The listing says brown but to me it's smoke silver.
>
> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 4:51 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> A stripper, but not bad for the miles and price:
>>
>> <
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-2004-mercedes-benz-e320/7698516186.html
>> >
>> [00o0o_iQaQL5FLVbi_0BF0kO_600x450.jpg]
>> 2004 mercedes benz e320 for sale by owner - Saint Petersburg, FL -
>> craigslist<
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-2004-mercedes-benz-e320/7698516186.html
>> >
>> tampa.craigslist.org<
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-2004-mercedes-benz-e320/7698516186.html
>> >
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Nice W211

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

 The listing says brown but to me it's smoke silver.

On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 4:51 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> A stripper, but not bad for the miles and price:
>
> <
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-2004-mercedes-benz-e320/7698516186.html
> >
> [00o0o_iQaQL5FLVbi_0BF0kO_600x450.jpg]
> 2004 mercedes benz e320 for sale by owner - Saint Petersburg, FL -
> craigslist<
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-2004-mercedes-benz-e320/7698516186.html
> >
> tampa.craigslist.org<
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-2004-mercedes-benz-e320/7698516186.html
> >
>
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[MBZ] 2002 E430 - 84k miles - $5,500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Low miles but utterly dull colors.

https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/carmel-2002-mercedes-e430/7698341889.html
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[MBZ] 2005 E320 - 180k miles - $3,300

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Miles are a bit high but doesn't look too bad

https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/d/cookeville-2005-mercedes-benz-e320-nice/7698518352.html
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Re: [MBZ] Insurance

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

I started with State Farm in 1979. They have always been the least money, best 
coverage. 
The premiums just keep going up. I haven’t shopped around in about three years 
(being distracted with eldercare) but I’m going to next week. 

AZBob

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> On Dec 16, 2023, at 8:03 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've been happy with State Farm for many years. But I have no doubt they 
> might vary agent by agent or state by state.
> 
>> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023, at 07:17, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Allstate. We’ve had them for car and homeowner’s on the AZ house. Best
>> price (I shop them every couple of years to keep them honest) and they
>> do a great job with claims, the few times we’ve needed them.
>> 
>> We were with State Farm for decades until they screwed us over when we
>> returned to FL. While this was unacceptable, prior to that they had
>> done a good job. That said, I would never give them a dime again.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] I think I might get these for Okie acres

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I didn't realize you had your own oil well to feed one of those thirsty
monsters, just to make coffee in the morning...
16V120 Detroit... 16 cylinder, V configuration, 120 cubic inch displacement
per cylinder, I think.. 1920 cubic inch displacement total, by my guess on
bore size.
Hand cranking allowed.

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Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I agree, an older mechanical diesel is still desirable but the newer ones with 
DEF and emissions crap and computers required to run them I would avoid. They 
are really only suitable for drivers who need to make frequent long highway 
trips. If you're driving infrequently and/or on mostly short errands they are 
the wrong choice.


On Sat, Dec 16, 2023, at 17:36, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> Or simply stick with a gasser. 
>
> I mean really is there the old school advantages to having a diesel any 
> more, especially it you look at things like oil cooler seals and DEF 
> crapola? 
>
> AZBob 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 16, 2023, at 2:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Forgot to mention, stick to pre 2009 e class or pre 2008 ML/GL to avoid DEF.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right now, many 
>>> of them reasonably priced.
>>> Steer clear?
>>> I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He  maintains, that 
>>> among Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350.
>>> The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be deliberate. I’m 
>>> not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if I get 
>>> some type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a 
>>> trailer.
>>> 
>>> Here we go.
>>> 
>>> AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] OT would this be a good way to kill myself? Subaru Engine gyrocopter, $10, 000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I don't think anything on that instrument panel meets FAA specs.

On Sat, Dec 16, 2023, at 13:18, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> In principle, an autogyro is always in auto rotation. Like any flying
> machine,, if you get behind the curve on altitude, airspeed or landing
> place, or control, impact is predicted and injury box is pre-selected.
> So.. caveat emptor..
>
> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 11:12 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> What, you mean he can’t autorotate when the engine fails?
>>
>> 
>>
>> -D
>>
>> > On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:02 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > After more than 50 years of being a pilot there is no good way to kill
>> > yoursef.. however if flight history of gyrocopters is valid.. it is an
>> > effective way to do great harm to yourself, before you die of injuries.
>> > If you buy it, then fly it.. It's been nice knowing you.
>> >
>> > On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 8:20 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/665226798828759
>> >>

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Re: [MBZ] Insurance

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I've been happy with State Farm for many years. But I have no doubt they might 
vary agent by agent or state by state.

On Sat, Dec 16, 2023, at 07:17, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Allstate. We’ve had them for car and homeowner’s on the AZ house. Best 
> price (I shop them every couple of years to keep them honest) and they 
> do a great job with claims, the few times we’ve needed them.
>
> We were with State Farm for decades until they screwed us over when we 
> returned to FL. While this was unacceptable, prior to that they had 
> done a good job. That said, I would never give them a dime again.
>
> -D

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Re: [MBZ] Total insanity. 1982 300D - $7,500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I've been thinking of selling my '83 to the scrapyard and it doesn't look a 
whole lot worse than that one.

On Fri, Dec 15, 2023, at 22:41, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> To some, maybe.
> To me, no.
>
>
> Rick
>
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> Cc: astr...@fastmail.fm
> Subject: [MBZ] Total insanity. 1982 300D - $7,500
>
> No way these are worth this kind of money are they?
>
> https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/d/nashville-1982-mercedes-benz-300-td/7698084310.html
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[MBZ] I think I might get these for Okie acres

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Re: [MBZ] Those Seats Though

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

and the green door panels.

On Sat, Dec 16, 2023, 12:36 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Weird. Like it was painted with Rustoleum. And yes, those seats aren’t
> quite an abomination, but they’re close. Someone paid a lot of money for
> those, and for the life of me, I can’t imagine why.
>
> -D
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>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/354192743925035/
>
> AZBob
>
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Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

That and the highly unlikely possibility that diesel fuel cost will ever 
remotely be equal to or lower than gasoline? I mean, if you’re driving a GTI 
with a 5-speed stick, OK, I get it, but for the average driver and vehicle, 
economy is no longer a significant issue.

-D

> On Dec 16, 2023, at 5:36 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Or simply stick with a gasser. 
> 
> I mean really is there the old school advantages to having a diesel any more, 
> especially it you look at things like oil cooler seals and DEF crapola? 
> 
> AZBob 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2023, at 2:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Forgot to mention, stick to pre 2009 e class or pre 2008 ML/GL to avoid DEF.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right now, many 
>>> of them reasonably priced.
>>> Steer clear?
>>> I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He  maintains, that 
>>> among Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350.
>>> The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be deliberate. I’m 
>>> not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if I get 
>>> some type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a 
>>> trailer.
>>> 
>>> Here we go.
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

The gassers of those years eat up timing chains and balance shafts. I guess 
pick your poison. 

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> On Dec 16, 2023, at 4:37 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Or simply stick with a gasser.
> 
> I mean really is there the old school advantages to having a diesel any more, 
> especially it you look at things like oil cooler seals and DEF crapola?
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2023, at 2:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Forgot to mention, stick to pre 2009 e class or pre 2008 ML/GL to avoid DEF.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right now, many 
>>> of them reasonably priced.
>>> Steer clear?
>>> I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He  maintains, that 
>>> among Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350.
>>> The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be deliberate. I’m 
>>> not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if I get 
>>> some type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a 
>>> trailer.
>>> 
>>> Here we go.
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs

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Or simply stick with a gasser. 

I mean really is there the old school advantages to having a diesel any more, 
especially it you look at things like oil cooler seals and DEF crapola? 

AZBob 

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> Forgot to mention, stick to pre 2009 e class or pre 2008 ML/GL to avoid DEF.
> 
> 
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>> On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right now, many 
>> of them reasonably priced.
>> Steer clear?
>> I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He  maintains, that 
>> among Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350.
>> The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be deliberate. I’m 
>> not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if I get some 
>> type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a trailer.
>> 
>> Here we go.
>> 
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[MBZ] Nice W211

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

A stripper, but not bad for the miles and price:


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2004 mercedes benz e320 for sale by owner - Saint Petersburg, FL - 
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Re: [MBZ] OT would this be a good way to kill myself? Subaru Engine gyrocopter, $10, 000

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

50-60 years ago, Mechanix Illustrated and Popular Science gave me the 
idea that autogyros were very safe compared to helicopters. (have HQ 
send Little Nellie, and request that her uncle accompany her)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Wallis

So I was surprised to hear of this one, which appears to have been a 
full on stall into the dirt:

https://www.wcvb.com/article/beverly-massachusetts-gyroplane-crash-december-5-pilot-dies/42149904

This one, well any heavier than air craft is going down if the 'wing' 
comes off.

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/accident/2022/09/08/ntsb-reports-preliminary-cause-fatal-gyroplane-crash-clay-county-florida/8009706001/

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Re: [MBZ] OT Ain't this sumpin -- 1985 Baker-Zaiker 1 of 12, $30, 000

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On 2023-12-16 10:23, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

Dad's pride and joy

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/863682232111851


I assume one of these would be worth more, but likewise a very limited 
audience.

Far more limited than the Avanti audience (also Studebaker content).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1984_Excalibur_Series_IV_Phaeton_(5409795985).jpg

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Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs

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Forgot to mention, stick to pre 2009 e class or pre 2008 ML/GL to avoid DEF.


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> On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right now, many of 
> them reasonably priced.
> Steer clear?
> I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He  maintains, that among 
> Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350.
> The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be deliberate. I’m 
> not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if I get some 
> type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a trailer.
> 
> Here we go.
> 
> AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs

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They are fine, but be prepared to deal with oil cooler seals or pay someone, 
I’m in the middle of my 2nd one as well speak.


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> On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right now, many of 
> them reasonably priced.
> Steer clear?
> I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He  maintains, that among 
> Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350.
> The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be deliberate. I’m 
> not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if I get some 
> type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a trailer.
> 
> Here we go.
> 
> AZBob
> 
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Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs

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Facelift done by Beverly Hills-certified German engineers.

On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 3:57 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> Facelift model?
>
> Be careful about trailer hitches on 2006 and later MBs. They will
> typically require some serious modifications to add one if it can even be
> done. In other words, if you want a car with a trailer hitch, unless it’s a
> W163 (98-05 MLs), make sure it’s already got one.
>
> -D
>
> > On Dec 16, 2023, at 2:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Get a 2014-15 if you can.  That was a mid-model makeover.   Very nicely
> > improved.
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 2:30 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right now,
> many
> >> of them reasonably priced.
> >> Steer clear?
> >> I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He  maintains, that
> >> among Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350.
> >> The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be deliberate.
> I’m
> >> not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if I get
> >> some type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a
> >> trailer.
> >>
> >> Here we go.
> >>
> >> AZBob
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs

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Facelift model?

Be careful about trailer hitches on 2006 and later MBs. They will typically 
require some serious modifications to add one if it can even be done. In other 
words, if you want a car with a trailer hitch, unless it’s a W163 (98-05 MLs), 
make sure it’s already got one.

-D

> On Dec 16, 2023, at 2:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> Get a 2014-15 if you can.  That was a mid-model makeover.   Very nicely
> improved.
> 
> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 2:30 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right now, many
>> of them reasonably priced.
>> Steer clear?
>> I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He  maintains, that
>> among Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350.
>> The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be deliberate. I’m
>> not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if I get
>> some type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a
>> trailer.
>> 
>> Here we go.
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Ain't this sumpin -- 1985 Baker-Zaiker 1 of 12, $30, 000

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

What it really means is Grandpa blew a boatload of money on a one-off car that 
has limited, if any, value in the modern marketplace, despite him constantly 
telling everyone how expensive a car it was, rare/unique, etc., etc., etc. so 
he could rationalize having it.

I can’t count the times I’ve heard stories like this from heirs. It’s usually 
when they’re trying to liquidate all of Grandpa’s or Dad’s stuff after they 
passed, and the heirs have no interest in the stuff whatsoever. I used to see a 
lot of R107s on the market around here some years back, which is where I had 
some of these experiences, as well as seeing and participating in them online, 
too.:

Heirs: "Dad always said the car was worth something like $50-$60k.” (Reality 
being maybe $30k on a good day, for a point of reference.)

Me: “Yes, but we don’t know what Dad was basing that amount on. The current 
market (showing comps) is $25k.”

Heirs: “But he said it was worth that much! I‘m pretty sure that’s what he had 
it insured for, too.”

Me: “Got a copy of the policy?”

Heirs: “Uh, no, but that’s what he always said!”

Lather, rinse, repeat. They go down this road with so many different people, 
ultimately getting to the point where they give in and it goes for a reasonable 
price, or they just park it in a garage somewhere. Occasionally there will be a 
rational family member who does some due diligence, but that’s the exception 
rather than the norm, or so it seems. Occasionally they get ugly, like you’re 
trying to rip them off (which is a reasonable concern for someone who doesn’t 
know the cars or market) and all you can do is walk away.

When I’m working a deal like this, I try to make a big deal about how I care 
for my cars, and that they’re like members of the family, yadda, yadda, yadda. 
There is some truth to that, but my point is that in a lot of these cases, 
there’s emotion involved. Find a way to channel that and you improve your 
chance of success exponentially. That, and learning the provenance of these 
cars can be kind of cool at times. I think about the 1962 300SE I bought in San 
Francisco. I tracked down the owner’s daughter and had a good hour-long phone 
conversation with her about her Dad and the car. It was pretty cool.

-D

> On Dec 16, 2023, at 3:33 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> But it’s only 1of 12!  Very rare!  For good reason…
> 
> If I drove it i would need to buy a leisure suit and white belt and white 
> shoes and a plaid hat with narrow brim. And a Members Only jacket and large 
> sunglasses 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2023, at 10:48 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Dad always talked about how much the car is worth - this would be a major 
>> “tell” that it had little or no value...
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Re: [MBZ] OT Ain't this sumpin -- 1985 Baker-Zaiker 1 of 12, $30, 000

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

But it’s only 1of 12!  Very rare!  For good reason…

If I drove it i would need to buy a leisure suit and white belt and white shoes 
and a plaid hat with narrow brim. And a Members Only jacket and large 
sunglasses 

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> On Dec 16, 2023, at 10:48 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dad always talked about how much the car is worth - this would be a major 
> “tell” that it had little or no value...

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Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Get a 2014-15 if you can.  That was a mid-model makeover.   Very nicely
improved.

On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 2:30 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right now, many
> of them reasonably priced.
> Steer clear?
> I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He  maintains, that
> among Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350.
> The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be deliberate. I’m
> not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if I get
> some type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a
> trailer.
>
> Here we go.
>
> AZBob
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[MBZ] BlueTecs

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right now, many of 
them reasonably priced. 
Steer clear? 
I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He  maintains, that among 
Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350.
The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be deliberate. I’m not 
entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if I get some type 
of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a trailer.

Here we go. 

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] OT would this be a good way to kill myself? Subaru Engine gyrocopter, $10, 000

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Points well taken.

-D

> On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:18 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> In principle, an autogyro is always in auto rotation. Like any flying
> machine,, if you get behind the curve on altitude, airspeed or landing
> place, or control, impact is predicted and injury box is pre-selected.
> So.. caveat emptor..
> 
> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 11:12 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> What, you mean he can’t autorotate when the engine fails?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:02 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> After more than 50 years of being a pilot there is no good way to kill
>>> yoursef.. however if flight history of gyrocopters is valid.. it is an
>>> effective way to do great harm to yourself, before you die of injuries.
>>> If you buy it, then fly it.. It's been nice knowing you.
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 8:20 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/665226798828759
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT would this be a good way to kill myself? Subaru Engine gyrocopter, $10, 000

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In principle, an autogyro is always in auto rotation. Like any flying
machine,, if you get behind the curve on altitude, airspeed or landing
place, or control, impact is predicted and injury box is pre-selected.
So.. caveat emptor..

On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 11:12 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> What, you mean he can’t autorotate when the engine fails?
>
> 
>
> -D
>
> > On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:02 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > After more than 50 years of being a pilot there is no good way to kill
> > yoursef.. however if flight history of gyrocopters is valid.. it is an
> > effective way to do great harm to yourself, before you die of injuries.
> > If you buy it, then fly it.. It's been nice knowing you.
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 8:20 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/665226798828759
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT would this be a good way to kill myself? Subaru Engine gyrocopter, $10, 000

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What, you mean he can’t autorotate when the engine fails?



-D

> On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:02 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> After more than 50 years of being a pilot there is no good way to kill
> yoursef.. however if flight history of gyrocopters is valid.. it is an
> effective way to do great harm to yourself, before you die of injuries.
> If you buy it, then fly it.. It's been nice knowing you.
> 
> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 8:20 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/665226798828759
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Insurance

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American Collectors was way cheaper than Geico to insure the 1985 300SD.
They seem not to care where I drive the car, provided I don't pile on the
miles.

On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 9:35 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Thanks Poos. Back on the search today.  I may have to visit some agents
> to make a final decision as you can't really get a rental property quote
> online as far as I have found.
>
> On 12/16/2023 6:17 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> > Allstate. We’ve had them for car and homeowner’s on the AZ house. Best
> price (I shop them every couple of years to keep them honest) and they do a
> great job with claims, the few times we’ve needed them.
> >
> > We were with State Farm for decades until they screwed us over when we
> returned to FL. While this was unacceptable, prior to that they had done a
> good job. That said, I would never give them a dime again.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 15, 2023, at 10:24 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have talked about this a year or 2 ago, but it is time to do
> something about USAA.   Their prices are totally out of control for both
> home and auto, with zero claims, zero accidents, and zero tickets.  Just a
> quick search doing a quote with progressive the auto is over half the price
> cheaper for full coverage versus USAA. So far their home quote appears to
> be higher that USAA but still working on it.   In the past no doubt USAA
> was the best, usually the cheapest, and the customer service can't be
> beat.  Looking for feedback on what insurance companies you guys use, any
> issues, or any that you would avoid that you have had problems with before.
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Re: [MBZ] This could be a good deal -- 2007 Mercedes-Benz gl-class GL 320 CDI Sport Utility 4D, $3, 000

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Other than the low option wheels, this looks nice.

On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 10:30 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> Glow plug controller, easy fix but not sure why it would be in limp
> mode.  This is tempting but no hitch
>
> It is now in limp mode and has CEL- P0670. I'm told it could be an easy
> fix but after having to replace the front air shocks, because it was
> being driven less, I'm over it and want it gone.
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Re: [MBZ] OT would this be a good way to kill myself? Subaru Engine gyrocopter, $10, 000

[G Mann via Mercedes]

After more than 50 years of being a pilot there is no good way to kill
yoursef.. however if flight history of gyrocopters is valid.. it is an
effective way to do great harm to yourself, before you die of injuries.
If you buy it, then fly it.. It's been nice knowing you.

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Re: [MBZ] this thing is back? 1976 Mercedes-Benz 300 d,$2,000

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Leather on a W115 is almost unheard of.

On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 11:58 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> What is going on with the trunk lid? Does not fit properly. Paint
> color/shade different drivers side front fender. Does have real leather
> interior which is rare on a 115.  I wonder what kind of shape the seats are
> under those covers.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Since it’s up for grabs someone didn’t grab it yet.
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> AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] Those Seats Though

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Weird. Like it was painted with Rustoleum. And yes, those seats aren’t quite an 
abomination, but they’re close. Someone paid a lot of money for those, and for 
the life of me, I can’t imagine why.

-D

On Dec 16, 2023, at 12:15 PM, Robert Rentfro via Mercedes 
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https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/354192743925035/

AZBob

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[MBZ] Those Seats Though

[Robert Rentfro via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/354192743925035/ AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows 

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Re: [MBZ] this thing is back? 1976 Mercedes-Benz 300 d,$2,000

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What is going on with the trunk lid? Does not fit properly. Paint color/shade different drivers side front fender. Does have real leather interior which is rare on a 115.  I wonder what kind of shape the seats are under those covers.Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 16, 2023, at 10:52 AM, Robert Rentfro via Mercedes  wrote:Since it’s up for grabs someone didn’t grab it yet. AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows From: Floyd Thursby via MercedesSent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 9:44 AMTo: Mercedes Discussion ListCc: Floyd ThursbySubject: [MBZ] this thing is back? 1976 Mercedes-Benz 300 d,$2,000 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/503730675669647 -- --FT  ___http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com  

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Re: [MBZ] Car for AZ Bob

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I gotta join the group first…  AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows From: Kaleb Striplin via MercedesSent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 9:39 AMTo: Mercedes Discussion ListCc: Kaleb StriplinSubject: [MBZ] Car for AZ Bob  Look at this post on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/share/j6HxpwLrcWsJcENy/?mibextid=79PoIi Sent from my iPhone ___http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com  

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Re: [MBZ] this thing is back? 1976 Mercedes-Benz 300 d,$2,000

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Since it’s up for grabs someone didn’t grab it yet. AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows From: Floyd Thursby via MercedesSent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 9:44 AMTo: Mercedes Discussion ListCc: Floyd ThursbySubject: [MBZ] this thing is back? 1976 Mercedes-Benz 300 d,$2,000 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/503730675669647 -- --FT  ___http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com  

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[MBZ] this thing is back? 1976 Mercedes-Benz 300 d,$2,000

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https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/503730675669647

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[MBZ] Car for AZ Bob

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 Look at this post on Facebook 
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Sent from my iPhone

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[MBZ] put ion stion Makanick on it he told me motor locked up in it 2008 Smart fortwo Passion Cabriolet 2D, $1, 800

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Re: [MBZ] ?????? -- mercedes - $26,500 (richmond)

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An interesting parts car, if that. I’ve looked at a bunch of these over the 
years, enough to know that this is pretty much a collection of rust.

That, and these are not terribly enjoyable cars to drive unless you’re looking 
for a 1950s-era British sports car vibe.

-D

> On Dec 16, 2023, at 11:18 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> knock off a 0 and it might be interesting
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> On 12/16/23 11:08 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Big “NOPE!”
>> 
>> The 190SLs were major league rustbuckets of their time. I’m betting this is 
>> a total FIntstone car.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2023, at 10:48 AM, Floyd Thursby via 
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>>> https://richmondin.craigslist.org/cto/d/richmond-mercedes/7697880265.html
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Re: [MBZ] ?????? -- mercedes - $26,500 (richmond)

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knock off a 0 and it might be interesting

--FT

On 12/16/23 11:08 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Big “NOPE!”

The 190SLs were major league rustbuckets of their time. I’m betting this is a 
total FIntstone car.

-D


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https://richmondin.craigslist.org/cto/d/richmond-mercedes/7697880265.html

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Re: [MBZ] ?????? -- mercedes - $26,500 (richmond)

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Big “NOPE!”

The 190SLs were major league rustbuckets of their time. I’m betting this is a 
total FIntstone car.

-D

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[MBZ] ?????? -- mercedes - $26,500 (richmond)

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Re: [MBZ] OT Ain't this sumpin -- 1985 Baker-Zaiker 1 of 12, $30, 000

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And one of the most butt-ugly hand-built cars I've ever seen.

Looks like the front half of the passenger cabin from a 1980s Lincoln that had 
the front end, swoopy fenders and a trunk stuck to it.

And let me guess - Dad always talked about how much the car is worth - this 
would be a major “tell” that it had little or no value...

-D

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> Dad's pride and joy
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[MBZ] This could be a good deal -- 2007 Mercedes-Benz gl-class GL 320 CDI Sport Utility 4D, $3, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Glow plug controller, easy fix but not sure why it would be in limp 
mode.  This is tempting but no hitch


It is now in limp mode and has CEL- P0670. I'm told it could be an easy 
fix but after having to replace the front air shocks, because it was 
being driven less, I'm over it and want it gone.


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[MBZ] OT Ain't this sumpin -- 1985 Baker-Zaiker 1 of 12,$30,000

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Dad's pride and joy

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[MBZ] OT would this be a good way to kill myself? Subaru Engine gyrocopter, $10, 000

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Re: [MBZ] Insurance

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Thanks Poos. Back on the search today.  I may have to visit some agents 
to make a final decision as you can't really get a rental property quote 
online as far as I have found.


On 12/16/2023 6:17 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Allstate. We’ve had them for car and homeowner’s on the AZ house. Best price (I 
shop them every couple of years to keep them honest) and they do a great job 
with claims, the few times we’ve needed them.

We were with State Farm for decades until they screwed us over when we returned 
to FL. While this was unacceptable, prior to that they had done a good job. 
That said, I would never give them a dime again.

-D



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I have talked about this a year or 2 ago, but it is time to do something about 
USAA.   Their prices are totally out of control for both home and auto, with 
zero claims, zero accidents, and zero tickets.  Just a quick search doing a 
quote with progressive the auto is over half the price cheaper for full 
coverage versus USAA. So far their home quote appears to be higher that USAA 
but still working on it.   In the past no doubt USAA was the best, usually the 
cheapest, and the customer service can't be beat.  Looking for feedback on what 
insurance companies you guys use, any issues, or any that you would avoid that 
you have had problems with before. This is actually sad it has come to this 
after 15 years with USAA.

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Re: [MBZ] Insurance

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Farm Bureau.  Good service, good prices.
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Re: [MBZ] 2011 Mercedes C300 4 matic - Genuine Mercedes Spart Plug Question

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I asked a similar question of my dealer parts guy about M112 filters. He 
couldn’t explain it.

-D

> On Dec 15, 2023, at 9:44 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> What are the "additional functions" of a Genuine Mercedes-Benz spark plug I 
> wonder?
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2023, at 19:26, David Bruckmann via Mercedes wrote:
>> According the the MB USA website, here:
>> https://www.mbusa.com/en/owners/parts/star-parts
>> 
>> "StarParts are designed using a certified development and approval process.
>> They are new, *cost-optimized parts*. What differentiates them from Genuine
>> Mercedes-Benz parts is a reduction of additional functions and the targeted
>> standardization of production variants."
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>> They say "designed for vehicles five years and older".
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Re: [MBZ] Insurance

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Allstate. We’ve had them for car and homeowner’s on the AZ house. Best price (I 
shop them every couple of years to keep them honest) and they do a great job 
with claims, the few times we’ve needed them.

We were with State Farm for decades until they screwed us over when we returned 
to FL. While this was unacceptable, prior to that they had done a good job. 
That said, I would never give them a dime again.

-D


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> I have talked about this a year or 2 ago, but it is time to do something 
> about USAA.   Their prices are totally out of control for both home and auto, 
> with zero claims, zero accidents, and zero tickets.  Just a quick search 
> doing a quote with progressive the auto is over half the price cheaper for 
> full coverage versus USAA. So far their home quote appears to be higher that 
> USAA but still working on it.   In the past no doubt USAA was the best, 
> usually the cheapest, and the customer service can't be beat.  Looking for 
> feedback on what insurance companies you guys use, any issues, or any that 
> you would avoid that you have had problems with before. This is actually sad 
> it has come to this after 15 years with USAA.
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