Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] brake anti-squeal paste
We had this discussion some time back, and someone recommended grinding the leading edges of the pads at a 45 degree angle to eliminate squeel. Of course, I can never remember this when I'm changing pads, so I've never tried it. I should pull the rear pads on the SDL - they squeel loudly when braking and backing out of the drive. I'd have to grind the back edges though --- -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] brake anti-squeal paste
"Luther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Rusty says Pagid is the OE brake and includes the anti-squeel pad on them. > They work well, I just installed some 3 weeks ago and they do not > squeel. They are middle of the line 's. There was no paste with the pads that Rusty sent with my rebuilt calipers, unless I overlooked it. Mine did not start squeeking until about 3 months after I installed them. At first they were silent. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] brake anti-squeal paste
Rusty says Pagid is the OE brake and includes the anti-squeel pad on them. They work well, I just installed some 3 weeks ago and they do not squeel. They are middle of the line 's. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (271,xxx mi) needs head '83 300SD (246,645 mi) SOLD! '82 300CD (166 kmi) getting front end rebuild '82 300D (74 kmi) getting '85 donor engine-SOLD! '85 300D (280,176) parts car-sans engine Quoting Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Buy softer, and cheaper pads. The cheapest ones at NAPA work fine. Pads are a place where more expensive is NOT better. Expensive ones are hard, and designed to wear the rotors, not the pads. That is why they usually come with a lifetime warranty. Your rotors will fall off first. I have never used ANY anti squeal anything. My pads never squeal, and my rotors last a long long time. AFAIK over 400k miles on the SDL. and they are still ok. Loren
Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] brake anti-squeal paste
Several cogent points here: Cheapo pads that don't wear the rotors wear out super fast and don't usually stop the car nearly as well as the OEM pads. Learned that lesson 25 years ago -- stick with the OEM ones, rotor wear is normal, and they are cheap. Much cheaper than rear-ending someone because your cheapo pads overheated and quit working right. Second, if the ceramic pads (or any other for that matter) do not have the heavy anti squeal coating on the back of the backing plate, you MUST use an anti-squeal shim or they will scream. Also make positively certain that the slots in the calipers are completely clean, otherwise the pad will stick, causing both drag and squeal. Another cause of squeal is tired caliper piston seal not retracting the piston enough, allowing minor drag and hence uneven wear. Last, when installing new rotors, use some heavy sandpaper to rough them up (not the newest ones where you dont' remove the coating, though) -- most of them are turned these days, not ground, and if you don't rough up the surface, the spiral groove left by the manufacturing process will cause them to groan for quite a while, even after they wear it some. Not pleasant. Peter -Original Message- >From: Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Jun 6, 2007 1:51 AM >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Subject: Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] brake anti-squeal paste > >Buy softer, and cheaper pads. The cheapest ones at NAPA work >fine. Pads are a place where more expensive is NOT >better. Expensive ones are hard, and designed to wear the rotors, >not the pads. That is why they usually come with a lifetime >warranty. Your rotors will fall off first. > >I have never used ANY anti squeal anything. My pads never squeal, >and my rotors last a long long time. AFAIK over 400k miles on the >SDL. and they are still ok. > >Loren > >At 12:59 PM 6/4/2007, you wrote: >>Is this anything like the sunroof lube in that it is quasi-magical and >>has no equivalent in the 3rd party market? >> >>I recently updated the brakes on my 300D (new calipers and pads all >>around, new rotors in front) but did not use the MB anti-squeal paste. >>Lo and behold, my brakes are now squealing quite annoyingly. >> >>Can I get something locally that will address the issue, or do I need >>to use the genuine MB paste? >> >>Allan >>-- >>1983 300D >>1966 230 >> >>___ >>http://www.okiebenz.com >>For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >Loren Faeth > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] brake anti-squeal paste
I can't argue on that. I don't know how they work on older vehicles. My reference is contrast to the "metalic" pads. Most of the hard pads have some sort of metal in them. Let us know how the pads and rotors are as you rack up the miles. Loren At 01:15 AM 6/6/2007, you wrote: I used to subscribe to the "cheapest is best" theory but then I put ceramic pads on the Jeep. Now I've decided to switch everything over as I need pads. Braking is superior to even the soft, cheap pads plus brake dust disappears. I'm sure that I'm wearing the rotors faster but it's worth the trade for me. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 06/06/07 12:57 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] brake anti-squeal paste -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Buy softer, and cheaper pads. The cheapest ones at NAPA work fine. Pads are a place where more expensive is NOT better. Expensive ones are hard, and designed to wear the rotors, not the pads. That is why they usually come with a lifetime warranty. Your rotors will fall off first. I have never used ANY anti squeal anything. My pads never squeal, and my rotors last a long long time. AFAIK over 400k miles on the SDL. and they are still ok. Loren At 12:59 PM 6/4/2007, you wrote: >Is this anything like the sunroof lube in that it is quasi-magical and >has no equivalent in the 3rd party market? > >I recently updated the brakes on my 300D (new calipers and pads all >around, new rotors in front) but did not use the MB anti-squeal paste. >Lo and behold, my brakes are now squealing quite annoyingly. > >Can I get something locally that will address the issue, or do I need >to use the genuine MB paste? > >Allan >-- >1983 300D >1966 230 > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] brake anti-squeal paste
I used to subscribe to the "cheapest is best" theory but then I put ceramic pads on the Jeep. Now I've decided to switch everything over as I need pads. Braking is superior to even the soft, cheap pads plus brake dust disappears. I'm sure that I'm wearing the rotors faster but it's worth the trade for me. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 06/06/07 12:57 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] brake anti-squeal paste -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Buy softer, and cheaper pads. The cheapest ones at NAPA work fine. Pads are a place where more expensive is NOT better. Expensive ones are hard, and designed to wear the rotors, not the pads. That is why they usually come with a lifetime warranty. Your rotors will fall off first. I have never used ANY anti squeal anything. My pads never squeal, and my rotors last a long long time. AFAIK over 400k miles on the SDL. and they are still ok. Loren At 12:59 PM 6/4/2007, you wrote: >Is this anything like the sunroof lube in that it is quasi-magical and >has no equivalent in the 3rd party market? > >I recently updated the brakes on my 300D (new calipers and pads all >around, new rotors in front) but did not use the MB anti-squeal paste. >Lo and behold, my brakes are now squealing quite annoyingly. > >Can I get something locally that will address the issue, or do I need >to use the genuine MB paste? > >Allan >-- >1983 300D >1966 230 > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] brake anti-squeal paste
Buy softer, and cheaper pads. The cheapest ones at NAPA work fine. Pads are a place where more expensive is NOT better. Expensive ones are hard, and designed to wear the rotors, not the pads. That is why they usually come with a lifetime warranty. Your rotors will fall off first. I have never used ANY anti squeal anything. My pads never squeal, and my rotors last a long long time. AFAIK over 400k miles on the SDL. and they are still ok. Loren At 12:59 PM 6/4/2007, you wrote: Is this anything like the sunroof lube in that it is quasi-magical and has no equivalent in the 3rd party market? I recently updated the brakes on my 300D (new calipers and pads all around, new rotors in front) but did not use the MB anti-squeal paste. Lo and behold, my brakes are now squealing quite annoyingly. Can I get something locally that will address the issue, or do I need to use the genuine MB paste? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] brake anti-squeal paste
Anti-seize, any type, although the Benz stuff is copper base, not aluminum. Apply to rear of pad, and the side of the backing plate (NOT the friction material). Peter
Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] brake anti-squeal paste
brake paste;These are copper based and one I use ,UK made and works equally well. mak - Original Message - From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:59 PM Subject: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] brake anti-squeal paste Is this anything like the sunroof lube in that it is quasi-magical and has no equivalent in the 3rd party market? I recently updated the brakes on my 300D (new calipers and pads all around, new rotors in front) but did not use the MB anti-squeal paste. Lo and behold, my brakes are now squealing quite annoyingly. Can I get something locally that will address the issue, or do I need to use the genuine MB paste? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.8.7/830 - Release Date: 6/3/2007 12:47 PM
[MBZ] [ SPAM ] brake anti-squeal paste
Is this anything like the sunroof lube in that it is quasi-magical and has no equivalent in the 3rd party market? I recently updated the brakes on my 300D (new calipers and pads all around, new rotors in front) but did not use the MB anti-squeal paste. Lo and behold, my brakes are now squealing quite annoyingly. Can I get something locally that will address the issue, or do I need to use the genuine MB paste? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
