Re: [MBZ] 600 parts costs
the "old man" is my favorite on that show. WILTON wrote: He had a guy in the Vegas area finish it; "The Old Man" and son drove the finished car on one of the episodes. Cost to finish and sales price I don't remember. Wilton -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 600 parts costs
Yeah, I'm sure you're right now that you mention it - that's what made those VIN's so valuable - they were dated 1965-1967 IIRC so zero DOT & EPA thingies. If anyone's wondering what we're talking about - follow this link - http://www.carrollshelby.com/classics/40thanniversarycobra.html LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "E M" Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 3:06 PM To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] 600 parts costs I'm not sure Larry, but my understand is, the cars must comply with whatever standards were in place when the numbers were first registered, so the cars are pretty much circa '67, or whatever most were. I think a few "new" ones were built with big block engines, and turbos, making really big power. Not sure if having a registered number gives you freedom to build whatever you want, or if you have to keep it to what was available at the time, but seems they are out there. Ed 300E On 14 February 2010 14:59, LarryT wrote: Speaking of Cobra's and reproductions: Carroll Shelby went to some of the better reproduction builders and offered to let them put his name on the Cobra's they were selling - in return for a $1000 donation to Shelby's charity of choice - a children's charity IIRC. None of the manufacturers were willing so Shelby started building Cobra's using a set of VIN's he owned but had never used. I'd love to have one but as with any original Shelby they're pretty pricey. They look identical to the original Cobras but I believe he must conform to some EPA/DOT reqmnts - but not like a mass producer like Ford does. BTW - Did ya'll see the Pawnbroker episode where a guy bought a partly assembled Cobra for several thousand $'s and a tow away. He asked the pawnshop what they'd give him and they 1st had a Cobra expert confirm it was a 'real' Cobra. It was - an aluminum bodied 427 model - but missing interior and running gear. After much haggling the pawnshop gave him $35K IIRC - knowing it would take another $100K+ to finish it and do it right. I believe he sold it as is for ~$70K to someone better qualified to finish it. I thought it unbelievable someone would leave a Cobra in a storage unit and not pay the fees. But I guess people get sick, die and forget what's going on. Have a nice Sunday - LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -------------- From: "Peter T. Arnold" Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 2:35 PM To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] 600 parts costs Not to much different than the 'New' 1965 Shelbys that are being built. He owns the registered serial numbers so he can build them, as I understand it. Pete On 2/14/2010 1:23 PM, E M wrote: There was a guy north of the city who was doing just that, with old Bugattis. He had an amazing storehouse of old original parts, STILL in factory wrapping paper and boxes! They would build up cars and add lots of original bits to bit, and fab what they couldn't source. They were correct right down to the number of rivets on the body panels. They were probably as original as a lot of the so called "restored" cars, which back in the late 80s often meant nothing more than an original engine block with a serial number, and a whole new car built around it. Ed 300E On 14 February 2010 11:58, Rich Thomas< richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: How much would it cost to fab up something that looked pretty similar, using quality modern parts? I'm not talking about fiberglass kit cars, but to do a full-up build, beat panels, maybe use modern running gear, etc. Kinda like the high-end hot rod builders, like Foose. I'm sure Leno's garage could do that, or me in my garage with enough time and tools (yea, more tools!!!). --R LarryT wrote: As truly incredible the 600 was IMO the pre-war grosser Benzes are even more awesome. The various 540's are selling for astronomical prices these days - with good reason due to the cost to restore& maintain them. Here's a 540 Sport Roadster for example: http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/pic/1116/Mercedes-Benz-540K-Special-Roadster_1.html (if link is stripped, go to ultimatecarpage.com and search for 540 Mercedes. I wish it didn't take Ralph Laren pockets to own them!) BTW, the factory keeps a warehouse with the wood used in the interiors of the 600s - in case one ever needs a replacement piece/s it will be matched perfectly. I wonder if they stockpile other parts? LarryT 91 300D (future classic??) ;-) OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.n
Re: [MBZ] 600 parts costs
I'm not sure Larry, but my understand is, the cars must comply with whatever standards were in place when the numbers were first registered, so the cars are pretty much circa '67, or whatever most were. I think a few "new" ones were built with big block engines, and turbos, making really big power. Not sure if having a registered number gives you freedom to build whatever you want, or if you have to keep it to what was available at the time, but seems they are out there. Ed 300E On 14 February 2010 14:59, LarryT wrote: > Speaking of Cobra's and reproductions: > Carroll Shelby went to some of the better reproduction builders and offered > to let them put his name on the Cobra's they were selling - in return for a > $1000 donation to Shelby's charity of choice - a children's charity IIRC. > None of the manufacturers were willing so Shelby started building Cobra's > using a set of VIN's he owned but had never used. I'd love to have one but > as with any original Shelby they're pretty pricey. They look identical to > the original Cobras but I believe he must conform to some EPA/DOT reqmnts - > but not like a mass producer like Ford does. > > BTW - Did ya'll see the Pawnbroker episode where a guy bought a partly > assembled Cobra for several thousand $'s and a tow away. He asked the > pawnshop what they'd give him and they 1st had a Cobra expert confirm it was > a 'real' Cobra. It was - an aluminum bodied 427 model - but missing > interior and running gear. After much haggling the pawnshop gave him $35K > IIRC - knowing it would take another $100K+ to finish it and do it right. I > believe he sold it as is for ~$70K to someone better qualified to finish it. > > I thought it unbelievable someone would leave a Cobra in a storage unit and > not pay the fees. But I guess people get sick, die and forget what's going > on. > > Have a nice Sunday - > LarryT > 91 300D > > OilAnalysis Time? > Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? > www.youroil.net > > > > -- > From: "Peter T. Arnold" > Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 2:35 PM > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 600 parts costs > > Not to much different than the 'New' 1965 Shelbys that are being built. He >> owns the registered serial numbers so he can build them, as I understand it. >> >> Pete >> >> >> >> On 2/14/2010 1:23 PM, E M wrote: >> >>> There was a guy north of the city who was doing just that, with old >>> Bugattis. He had an amazing storehouse of old original parts, STILL in >>> factory wrapping paper and boxes! They would build up cars and add lots >>> of >>> original bits to bit, and fab what they couldn't source. They were >>> correct >>> right down to the number of rivets on the body panels. They were >>> probably >>> as original as a lot of the so called "restored" cars, which back in the >>> late 80s often meant nothing more than an original engine block with a >>> serial number, and a whole new car built around it. >>> >>> Ed >>> 300E >>> >>> On 14 February 2010 11:58, Rich Thomas< >>> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net >>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>> How much would it cost to fab up something that looked pretty similar, >>>> using quality modern parts? I'm not talking about fiberglass kit cars, >>>> but >>>> to do a full-up build, beat panels, maybe use modern running gear, etc. >>>> Kinda like the high-end hot rod builders, like Foose. I'm sure Leno's >>>> garage could do that, or me in my garage with enough time and tools >>>> (yea, >>>> more tools!!!). >>>> >>>> --R >>>> >>>> >>>> LarryT wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> As truly incredible the 600 was IMO the pre-war grosser Benzes are even >>>>> more awesome. The various 540's are selling for astronomical prices >>>>> these >>>>> days - with good reason due to the cost to restore& maintain them. >>>>> Here's >>>>> a 540 Sport Roadster for example: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/pic/1116/Mercedes-Benz-540K-Special-Roadster_1.html >>>>> (if link is stripped, go to ultimatecarpage.com and search for 540 >>>>> Mercedes. I wish it didn't take Ralph Laren pockets to
Re: [MBZ] 600 parts costs
He had a guy in the Vegas area finish it; "The Old Man" and son drove the finished car on one of the episodes. Cost to finish and sales price I don't remember. Wilton - Original Message - From: "LarryT" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 600 parts costs Speaking of Cobra's and reproductions: Carroll Shelby went to some of the better reproduction builders and offered to let them put his name on the Cobra's they were selling - in return for a $1000 donation to Shelby's charity of choice - a children's charity IIRC. None of the manufacturers were willing so Shelby started building Cobra's using a set of VIN's he owned but had never used. I'd love to have one but as with any original Shelby they're pretty pricey. They look identical to the original Cobras but I believe he must conform to some EPA/DOT reqmnts - but not like a mass producer like Ford does. BTW - Did ya'll see the Pawnbroker episode where a guy bought a partly assembled Cobra for several thousand $'s and a tow away. He asked the pawnshop what they'd give him and they 1st had a Cobra expert confirm it was a 'real' Cobra. It was - an aluminum bodied 427 model - but missing interior and running gear. After much haggling the pawnshop gave him $35K IIRC - knowing it would take another $100K+ to finish it and do it right. I believe he sold it as is for ~$70K to someone better qualified to finish it. I thought it unbelievable someone would leave a Cobra in a storage unit and not pay the fees. But I guess people get sick, die and forget what's going on. Have a nice Sunday - LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "Peter T. Arnold" Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 2:35 PM To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] 600 parts costs Not to much different than the 'New' 1965 Shelbys that are being built. He owns the registered serial numbers so he can build them, as I understand it. Pete On 2/14/2010 1:23 PM, E M wrote: There was a guy north of the city who was doing just that, with old Bugattis. He had an amazing storehouse of old original parts, STILL in factory wrapping paper and boxes! They would build up cars and add lots of original bits to bit, and fab what they couldn't source. They were correct right down to the number of rivets on the body panels. They were probably as original as a lot of the so called "restored" cars, which back in the late 80s often meant nothing more than an original engine block with a serial number, and a whole new car built around it. Ed 300E On 14 February 2010 11:58, Rich Thomas wrote: How much would it cost to fab up something that looked pretty similar, using quality modern parts? I'm not talking about fiberglass kit cars, but to do a full-up build, beat panels, maybe use modern running gear, etc. Kinda like the high-end hot rod builders, like Foose. I'm sure Leno's garage could do that, or me in my garage with enough time and tools (yea, more tools!!!). --R LarryT wrote: As truly incredible the 600 was IMO the pre-war grosser Benzes are even more awesome. The various 540's are selling for astronomical prices these days - with good reason due to the cost to restore& maintain them. Here's a 540 Sport Roadster for example: http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/pic/1116/Mercedes-Benz-540K-Special-Roadster_1.html (if link is stripped, go to ultimatecarpage.com and search for 540 Mercedes. I wish it didn't take Ralph Laren pockets to own them!) BTW, the factory keeps a warehouse with the wood used in the interiors of the 600s - in case one ever needs a replacement piece/s it will be matched perfectly. I wonder if they stockpile other parts? LarryT 91 300D (future classic??) ;-) OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:42 PM To: Subject: Re: [MBZ] 600 parts costs According to a recently retired (after 38 years) tech at my dealer, the heater panel (a row of buttons) cost is ten grand. He tended for years to a 50K mile black 600 SWB that I would see in the service department from time to time. I had the opportunity to look at the bottom side once when it was in drydock on the lift. Made my Visa card tremble. He also did what had to be done on a few 108 Cabs which also can deplete your holdings. I am puzzled by the resentment and disdain shown here by a few toward cars of this sort. I am glad that those who have the resources to maintain and enjoy them do so because when I see a well kept example of an important MB, it's
Re: [MBZ] 600 parts costs
Speaking of Cobra's and reproductions: Carroll Shelby went to some of the better reproduction builders and offered to let them put his name on the Cobra's they were selling - in return for a $1000 donation to Shelby's charity of choice - a children's charity IIRC. None of the manufacturers were willing so Shelby started building Cobra's using a set of VIN's he owned but had never used. I'd love to have one but as with any original Shelby they're pretty pricey. They look identical to the original Cobras but I believe he must conform to some EPA/DOT reqmnts - but not like a mass producer like Ford does. BTW - Did ya'll see the Pawnbroker episode where a guy bought a partly assembled Cobra for several thousand $'s and a tow away. He asked the pawnshop what they'd give him and they 1st had a Cobra expert confirm it was a 'real' Cobra. It was - an aluminum bodied 427 model - but missing interior and running gear. After much haggling the pawnshop gave him $35K IIRC - knowing it would take another $100K+ to finish it and do it right. I believe he sold it as is for ~$70K to someone better qualified to finish it. I thought it unbelievable someone would leave a Cobra in a storage unit and not pay the fees. But I guess people get sick, die and forget what's going on. Have a nice Sunday - LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "Peter T. Arnold" Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 2:35 PM To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] 600 parts costs Not to much different than the 'New' 1965 Shelbys that are being built. He owns the registered serial numbers so he can build them, as I understand it. Pete On 2/14/2010 1:23 PM, E M wrote: There was a guy north of the city who was doing just that, with old Bugattis. He had an amazing storehouse of old original parts, STILL in factory wrapping paper and boxes! They would build up cars and add lots of original bits to bit, and fab what they couldn't source. They were correct right down to the number of rivets on the body panels. They were probably as original as a lot of the so called "restored" cars, which back in the late 80s often meant nothing more than an original engine block with a serial number, and a whole new car built around it. Ed 300E On 14 February 2010 11:58, Rich Thomas wrote: How much would it cost to fab up something that looked pretty similar, using quality modern parts? I'm not talking about fiberglass kit cars, but to do a full-up build, beat panels, maybe use modern running gear, etc. Kinda like the high-end hot rod builders, like Foose. I'm sure Leno's garage could do that, or me in my garage with enough time and tools (yea, more tools!!!). --R LarryT wrote: As truly incredible the 600 was IMO the pre-war grosser Benzes are even more awesome. The various 540's are selling for astronomical prices these days - with good reason due to the cost to restore& maintain them. Here's a 540 Sport Roadster for example: http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/pic/1116/Mercedes-Benz-540K-Special-Roadster_1.html (if link is stripped, go to ultimatecarpage.com and search for 540 Mercedes. I wish it didn't take Ralph Laren pockets to own them!) BTW, the factory keeps a warehouse with the wood used in the interiors of the 600s - in case one ever needs a replacement piece/s it will be matched perfectly. I wonder if they stockpile other parts? LarryT 91 300D (future classic??) ;-) OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:42 PM To: Subject: Re: [MBZ] 600 parts costs According to a recently retired (after 38 years) tech at my dealer, the heater panel (a row of buttons) cost is ten grand. He tended for years to a 50K mile black 600 SWB that I would see in the service department from time to time. I had the opportunity to look at the bottom side once when it was in drydock on the lift. Made my Visa card tremble. He also did what had to be done on a few 108 Cabs which also can deplete your holdings. I am puzzled by the resentment and disdain shown here by a few toward cars of this sort. I am glad that those who have the resources to maintain and enjoy them do so because when I see a well kept example of an important MB, it's my pleasure. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For
Re: [MBZ] 600 parts costs
Peter T. Arnold wrote: Not to much different than the 'New' 1965 Shelbys that are being built. He owns the registered serial numbers so he can build them, as I understand it. I think Shelby had 500 serial numbers and 500 of some other things, like steering wheels and maybe engines, then SCCA or whoever let him race the 427 S/C without building all 500 so he just stopped making them. Then when the real cars were going for silly money and a cottage industry had sprung up making fiberglass replicas (which he hated), he started building the other 200-300 of them about 25 years after they were titled. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 600 parts costs
Not too much different, off the shelf parts just a bit harder to come by for an old Bug, than a Cobra. ;-) lol Ed 300E On 14 February 2010 14:35, Peter T. Arnold wrote: > Not to much different than the 'New' 1965 Shelbys that are being built. He > owns the registered serial numbers so he can build them, as I understand it. > > Pete > > > > > On 2/14/2010 1:23 PM, E M wrote: > >> There was a guy north of the city who was doing just that, with old >> Bugattis. He had an amazing storehouse of old original parts, STILL in >> factory wrapping paper and boxes! They would build up cars and add lots >> of >> original bits to bit, and fab what they couldn't source. They were >> correct >> right down to the number of rivets on the body panels. They were probably >> as original as a lot of the so called "restored" cars, which back in the >> late 80s often meant nothing more than an original engine block with a >> serial number, and a whole new car built around it. >> >> Ed >> 300E >> >> On 14 February 2010 11:58, Rich Thomas< >> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net >> >> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >> >> >>> How much would it cost to fab up something that looked pretty similar, >>> using quality modern parts? I'm not talking about fiberglass kit cars, >>> but >>> to do a full-up build, beat panels, maybe use modern running gear, etc. >>> Kinda like the high-end hot rod builders, like Foose. I'm sure Leno's >>> garage could do that, or me in my garage with enough time and tools (yea, >>> more tools!!!). >>> >>> --R >>> >>> >>> LarryT wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> As truly incredible the 600 was IMO the pre-war grosser Benzes are even >>>> more awesome. The various 540's are selling for astronomical prices >>>> these >>>> days - with good reason due to the cost to restore& maintain them. >>>> Here's >>>> a 540 Sport Roadster for example: >>>> >>>> http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/pic/1116/Mercedes-Benz-540K-Special-Roadster_1.html >>>> (if link is stripped, go to ultimatecarpage.com and search for 540 >>>> Mercedes. I wish it didn't take Ralph Laren pockets to own them!) >>>> >>>> BTW, the factory keeps a warehouse with the wood used in the interiors >>>> of >>>> the 600s - in case one ever needs a replacement piece/s it will be >>>> matched >>>> perfectly. I wonder if they stockpile other parts? >>>> >>>> LarryT >>>> 91 300D (future classic??) ;-) >>>> >>>> OilAnalysis Time? >>>> Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? >>>> www.youroil.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> From: >>>> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:42 PM >>>> To: >>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 600 parts costs >>>> >>>> According to a recently retired (after 38 years) tech at my dealer, the >>>> >>>> >>>>> heater panel (a row of buttons) cost is ten grand. >>>>> >>>>> He tended for years to a 50K mile black 600 SWB that I would see in the >>>>> service department from time to time. I had the opportunity to look at >>>>> the >>>>> bottom side once when it was in drydock on the lift. Made my Visa card >>>>> tremble. >>>>> He also did what had to be done on a few 108 Cabs which also can >>>>> deplete >>>>> your holdings. >>>>> >>>>> I am puzzled by the resentment and disdain shown here by a few toward >>>>> cars >>>>> of this sort. I am glad that those who have the resources to maintain >>>>> and >>>>> enjoy them do so because when I see a well kept example of an important >>>>> MB, >>>>> it's my pleasure. >>>>> >>>>> RLE >>>>> ___ >>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>> >>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz
Re: [MBZ] 600 parts costs
Not to much different than the 'New' 1965 Shelbys that are being built. He owns the registered serial numbers so he can build them, as I understand it. Pete On 2/14/2010 1:23 PM, E M wrote: There was a guy north of the city who was doing just that, with old Bugattis. He had an amazing storehouse of old original parts, STILL in factory wrapping paper and boxes! They would build up cars and add lots of original bits to bit, and fab what they couldn't source. They were correct right down to the number of rivets on the body panels. They were probably as original as a lot of the so called "restored" cars, which back in the late 80s often meant nothing more than an original engine block with a serial number, and a whole new car built around it. Ed 300E On 14 February 2010 11:58, Rich Thomas wrote: How much would it cost to fab up something that looked pretty similar, using quality modern parts? I'm not talking about fiberglass kit cars, but to do a full-up build, beat panels, maybe use modern running gear, etc. Kinda like the high-end hot rod builders, like Foose. I'm sure Leno's garage could do that, or me in my garage with enough time and tools (yea, more tools!!!). --R LarryT wrote: As truly incredible the 600 was IMO the pre-war grosser Benzes are even more awesome. The various 540's are selling for astronomical prices these days - with good reason due to the cost to restore& maintain them. Here's a 540 Sport Roadster for example: http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/pic/1116/Mercedes-Benz-540K-Special-Roadster_1.html (if link is stripped, go to ultimatecarpage.com and search for 540 Mercedes. I wish it didn't take Ralph Laren pockets to own them!) BTW, the factory keeps a warehouse with the wood used in the interiors of the 600s - in case one ever needs a replacement piece/s it will be matched perfectly. I wonder if they stockpile other parts? LarryT 91 300D (future classic??) ;-) OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:42 PM To: Subject: Re: [MBZ] 600 parts costs According to a recently retired (after 38 years) tech at my dealer, the heater panel (a row of buttons) cost is ten grand. He tended for years to a 50K mile black 600 SWB that I would see in the service department from time to time. I had the opportunity to look at the bottom side once when it was in drydock on the lift. Made my Visa card tremble. He also did what had to be done on a few 108 Cabs which also can deplete your holdings. I am puzzled by the resentment and disdain shown here by a few toward cars of this sort. I am glad that those who have the resources to maintain and enjoy them do so because when I see a well kept example of an important MB, it's my pleasure. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 600 parts costs
Rich Thomas wrote: How much would it cost to fab up something that looked pretty similar, using quality modern parts? I'm not talking about fiberglass kit cars, but to do a full-up build, beat panels, maybe use modern running gear, I'd start with a McBearen or similar, and then work my way up to a XK120. If the XK came out OK, then you might be ready to try a 540. McBearen test drive, when the chassis was operational before the body was installed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlxe0q7GH60 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 600 parts costs
Wasn't there a guy on here awhile back with an old 540 ? I recall a video link being posted of the car running. Can't remember if it was his, or if he was just caring for it. A white/cream one. Ed 300E On 14 February 2010 11:45, LarryT wrote: > As truly incredible the 600 was IMO the pre-war grosser Benzes are even > more awesome. The various 540's are selling for astronomical prices these > days - with good reason due to the cost to restore & maintain them. Here's > a 540 Sport Roadster for example: > http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/pic/1116/Mercedes-Benz-540K-Special-Roadster_1.html > (if link is stripped, go to ultimatecarpage.com and search for 540 > Mercedes. I wish it didn't take Ralph Laren pockets to own them!) > > BTW, the factory keeps a warehouse with the wood used in the interiors of > the 600s - in case one ever needs a replacement piece/s it will be matched > perfectly. I wonder if they stockpile other parts? > > LarryT > 91 300D (future classic??) ;-) > > OilAnalysis Time? > Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? > www.youroil.net > > > > -------------- > From: > Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:42 PM > To: > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 600 parts costs > > According to a recently retired (after 38 years) tech at my dealer, the >> heater panel (a row of buttons) cost is ten grand. >> >> He tended for years to a 50K mile black 600 SWB that I would see in the >> service department from time to time. I had the opportunity to look at the >> bottom side once when it was in drydock on the lift. Made my Visa card >> tremble. >> He also did what had to be done on a few 108 Cabs which also can deplete >> your holdings. >> >> I am puzzled by the resentment and disdain shown here by a few toward cars >> of this sort. I am glad that those who have the resources to maintain and >> enjoy them do so because when I see a well kept example of an important >> MB, >> it's my pleasure. >> >> RLE >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 600 parts costs
There was a guy north of the city who was doing just that, with old Bugattis. He had an amazing storehouse of old original parts, STILL in factory wrapping paper and boxes! They would build up cars and add lots of original bits to bit, and fab what they couldn't source. They were correct right down to the number of rivets on the body panels. They were probably as original as a lot of the so called "restored" cars, which back in the late 80s often meant nothing more than an original engine block with a serial number, and a whole new car built around it. Ed 300E On 14 February 2010 11:58, Rich Thomas wrote: > How much would it cost to fab up something that looked pretty similar, > using quality modern parts? I'm not talking about fiberglass kit cars, but > to do a full-up build, beat panels, maybe use modern running gear, etc. > Kinda like the high-end hot rod builders, like Foose. I'm sure Leno's > garage could do that, or me in my garage with enough time and tools (yea, > more tools!!!). > > --R > > > LarryT wrote: > >> As truly incredible the 600 was IMO the pre-war grosser Benzes are even >> more awesome. The various 540's are selling for astronomical prices these >> days - with good reason due to the cost to restore & maintain them. Here's >> a 540 Sport Roadster for example: >> http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/pic/1116/Mercedes-Benz-540K-Special-Roadster_1.html >> (if link is stripped, go to ultimatecarpage.com and search for 540 >> Mercedes. I wish it didn't take Ralph Laren pockets to own them!) >> >> BTW, the factory keeps a warehouse with the wood used in the interiors of >> the 600s - in case one ever needs a replacement piece/s it will be matched >> perfectly. I wonder if they stockpile other parts? >> >> LarryT >> 91 300D (future classic??) ;-) >> >> OilAnalysis Time? >> Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? >> www.youroil.net >> >> >> >> -- >> From: >> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:42 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 600 parts costs >> >> According to a recently retired (after 38 years) tech at my dealer, the >>> heater panel (a row of buttons) cost is ten grand. >>> >>> He tended for years to a 50K mile black 600 SWB that I would see in the >>> service department from time to time. I had the opportunity to look at >>> the >>> bottom side once when it was in drydock on the lift. Made my Visa card >>> tremble. >>> He also did what had to be done on a few 108 Cabs which also can deplete >>> your holdings. >>> >>> I am puzzled by the resentment and disdain shown here by a few toward >>> cars >>> of this sort. I am glad that those who have the resources to maintain and >>> enjoy them do so because when I see a well kept example of an important >>> MB, >>> it's my pleasure. >>> >>> RLE >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 600 parts costs
How much would it cost to fab up something that looked pretty similar, using quality modern parts? I'm not talking about fiberglass kit cars, but to do a full-up build, beat panels, maybe use modern running gear, etc. Kinda like the high-end hot rod builders, like Foose. I'm sure Leno's garage could do that, or me in my garage with enough time and tools (yea, more tools!!!). --R LarryT wrote: As truly incredible the 600 was IMO the pre-war grosser Benzes are even more awesome. The various 540's are selling for astronomical prices these days - with good reason due to the cost to restore & maintain them. Here's a 540 Sport Roadster for example: http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/pic/1116/Mercedes-Benz-540K-Special-Roadster_1.html (if link is stripped, go to ultimatecarpage.com and search for 540 Mercedes. I wish it didn't take Ralph Laren pockets to own them!) BTW, the factory keeps a warehouse with the wood used in the interiors of the 600s - in case one ever needs a replacement piece/s it will be matched perfectly. I wonder if they stockpile other parts? LarryT 91 300D (future classic??) ;-) OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:42 PM To: Subject: Re: [MBZ] 600 parts costs According to a recently retired (after 38 years) tech at my dealer, the heater panel (a row of buttons) cost is ten grand. He tended for years to a 50K mile black 600 SWB that I would see in the service department from time to time. I had the opportunity to look at the bottom side once when it was in drydock on the lift. Made my Visa card tremble. He also did what had to be done on a few 108 Cabs which also can deplete your holdings. I am puzzled by the resentment and disdain shown here by a few toward cars of this sort. I am glad that those who have the resources to maintain and enjoy them do so because when I see a well kept example of an important MB, it's my pleasure. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 600 parts costs
As truly incredible the 600 was IMO the pre-war grosser Benzes are even more awesome. The various 540's are selling for astronomical prices these days - with good reason due to the cost to restore & maintain them. Here's a 540 Sport Roadster for example: http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/pic/1116/Mercedes-Benz-540K-Special-Roadster_1.html (if link is stripped, go to ultimatecarpage.com and search for 540 Mercedes. I wish it didn't take Ralph Laren pockets to own them!) BTW, the factory keeps a warehouse with the wood used in the interiors of the 600s - in case one ever needs a replacement piece/s it will be matched perfectly. I wonder if they stockpile other parts? LarryT 91 300D (future classic??) ;-) OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:42 PM To: Subject: Re: [MBZ] 600 parts costs According to a recently retired (after 38 years) tech at my dealer, the heater panel (a row of buttons) cost is ten grand. He tended for years to a 50K mile black 600 SWB that I would see in the service department from time to time. I had the opportunity to look at the bottom side once when it was in drydock on the lift. Made my Visa card tremble. He also did what had to be done on a few 108 Cabs which also can deplete your holdings. I am puzzled by the resentment and disdain shown here by a few toward cars of this sort. I am glad that those who have the resources to maintain and enjoy them do so because when I see a well kept example of an important MB, it's my pleasure. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yup, that's the one. One of my favorite movies. Dan --- On Sun, 2/14/10, Mitch Haley wrote: > From: Mitch Haley > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 600 parts costs > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 11:25 AM > LWB250 wrote: > > My personal favorite is the 300SEL in "Groundhog > Day". At least I think it's a 300SEL - it may be a > Grosser. > > The blue one? > http://imcdb.org/vehicle_22866-Mercedes-Benz-600-W100.html > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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LWB250 wrote: My personal favorite is the 300SEL in "Groundhog Day". At least I think it's a 300SEL - it may be a Grosser. The blue one? http://imcdb.org/vehicle_22866-Mercedes-Benz-600-W100.html Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My personal favorite is the 300SEL in "Groundhog Day". At least I think it's a 300SEL - it may be a Grosser. Dan --- On Sun, 2/14/10, Mitch Haley wrote: > From: Mitch Haley > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 600 parts costs > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 12:18 AM > Dieselhead wrote: > > > last night, I was watching a rerun of Rockford Files, > and they had a 600 LWB running around in Lost Angeles. > It is a thrill even to see one on TV. > > I saw a red Grosser in a Batman movie the other day. Had to > be one of the flicks with Robin in it, but I can't remember > if it was the Val Kilmer or George Clooney movie. Maybe > Poison Ivy had a Grosser in the Clooney movie? > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Jim Cathey wrote: It is a thrill even to see one [600] on TV. What they did in Witches of Eastwick made me sick. Did they really do anything other than unbolt the back bumper? The driver's side looks OK when Jack gets home. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLq28eF_GkY ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It is a thrill even to see one [600] on TV. What they did in Witches of Eastwick made me sick. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch Haley wrote: I saw a red Grosser in a Batman movie the other day. I just checked. It was indeed Poison Ivy in the movie Batman & Robin. 34 minute into the DVD. Never seen a Grosser that red before. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dieselhead wrote: last night, I was watching a rerun of Rockford Files, and they had a 600 LWB running around in Lost Angeles. It is a thrill even to see one on TV. I saw a red Grosser in a Batman movie the other day. Had to be one of the flicks with Robin in it, but I can't remember if it was the Val Kilmer or George Clooney movie. Maybe Poison Ivy had a Grosser in the Clooney movie? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I agree, the 600 is a tour de force of late 50s automotive technology. Many of the features built into the 600 were not seen in domestic cars until 2 to 4 decades later, if ever. They were, and still are a fabulous car. I like to see them maintained and used. last night, I was watching a rerun of Rockford Files, and they had a 600 LWB running around in Lost Angeles. It is a thrill even to see one on TV. It is too bad they don't still make a car of that magnitude and grace. IMHO, the Maybach is just a car for those who want to say they spent more on a car than you did. It does not look like a presidential Limo, like the 600 does. With a 600, you expect to see the Pope, Princess Grace, Heads of State of any European country and the like. I do believe there is a market for a stately car that is hand built by craftsmen. The biggest problem is the enviro-nazis. They wouldn't let you build a limited edition car that was not just a little sheet metal different than a production model. I guess the substitute is the suburban or a hummer. Somehow neither seem as elegant as a 600. According to a recently retired (after 38 years) tech at my dealer, the heater panel (a row of buttons) cost is ten grand. He tended for years to a 50K mile black 600 SWB that I would see in the service department from time to time. I had the opportunity to look at the bottom side once when it was in drydock on the lift. Made my Visa card tremble. He also did what had to be done on a few 108 Cabs which also can deplete your holdings. I am puzzled by the resentment and disdain shown here by a few toward cars of this sort. I am glad that those who have the resources to maintain and enjoy them do so because when I see a well kept example of an important MB, it's my pleasure. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It's always a thrill to see just what a great engineering company can do, when all the accountants go away on holiday for awhile! The 600 was a big step forward from what anyone else was doing at the time. The so called competition at the time came from companies like Rolls, which were no competition at all really. The current Bugatti Vayron is another example. People will say negative things about it, but in my opinion, it's an engineering master piece. People forget for a moment just what it takes to make a car go over 250 mph! A car that can do it, and still idle through rush hour traffic, and surround it's occupants in total comfort and luxury is an amazing feat. I agree, those who are willing and able to buy and look after these special cars at they should be, do every car enthusiast a favour. Guy I knew in the club years ago, sold a mint SL 300, to buy a Gullwing that was pulled out of a lake. Restored the car to new and drove it every chance he got. It was always a treat to see it, and an even bigger treat to see and hear it while in motion. Ed 300E On 13 February 2010 21:42, wrote: > According to a recently retired (after 38 years) tech at my dealer, the > heater panel (a row of buttons) cost is ten grand. > > He tended for years to a 50K mile black 600 SWB that I would see in the > service department from time to time. I had the opportunity to look at the > bottom side once when it was in drydock on the lift. Made my Visa card > tremble. > He also did what had to be done on a few 108 Cabs which also can deplete > your holdings. > > I am puzzled by the resentment and disdain shown here by a few toward cars > of this sort. I am glad that those who have the resources to maintain and > enjoy them do so because when I see a well kept example of an important MB, > it's my pleasure. > > RLE > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There was a shell advertised in the Star about 15 years ago, for $10,000 if I remember. Maybe a 603 conversion? Hey, even the really high end stuff from Mercedes doesn't always escape the "create" mechanic or body man. I read once of a SL300 that that seems solid. During restoration, it turned out, the sills were so full or rot, the previous owner filled them with cement!! Probably once of those guys who subscribed to the old 50s slog of, "road holding weight in the corners". lol Ed 300E On 13 February 2010 21:49, Jim Cathey wrote: > I'm still waiting for the right one of these to > drop in my lap. Interested to see what shoe goo > and microwave ovens can do for a sadly-neglected > Grosser! > > -- Jim > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm still waiting for the right one of these to drop in my lap. Interested to see what shoe goo and microwave ovens can do for a sadly-neglected Grosser! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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According to a recently retired (after 38 years) tech at my dealer, the heater panel (a row of buttons) cost is ten grand. He tended for years to a 50K mile black 600 SWB that I would see in the service department from time to time. I had the opportunity to look at the bottom side once when it was in drydock on the lift. Made my Visa card tremble. He also did what had to be done on a few 108 Cabs which also can deplete your holdings. I am puzzled by the resentment and disdain shown here by a few toward cars of this sort. I am glad that those who have the resources to maintain and enjoy them do so because when I see a well kept example of an important MB, it's my pleasure. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
