[MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?
Some guy over at BenzWorld is claiming that the E class started way back with Pontons. I go and look it up, and there are articles talking about the same. Since when was the E class the son of Pontons? Befuddled Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?
-- On Jul 5, 2013 4:32 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Some guy over at BenzWorld is claiming that the E class started way back with Pontons. I go and look it up, and there are articles talking about the same. Since when was the E class the son of Pontons? Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?
Some teenager making up history again. Benz model designations and badges were, and usually still are, the engine displacement/equipment and body type -- for instance, 220D indicated a 2.2L diesel engine, 280SE 4.5 indicated a 2.8L engine (as original design) in a heavy body equipped with fuel injection and a 4.5L V8 instead of the original 2.8L six. Benz used this designation system along with chassis design numbers from the origin of the company I think until the 2000s, when some genius decided people were too stupid to tell what the S was for (or SL) and started calling the large sedans S Class, the mid sized ones E Class and the small ones C Class. The Ponton was indeed the fore-runner of the E Class, in exactly the same way the Chevrolet Nova II was the fore-runner of the current Malibu -- it's the smaller chassis compared to the big car. Remember that kids today are taught that computers have all the answers and if it's on the internet it has to be true and computers think for you. Nothing exists from before the smart phone age, after all. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?
Apparently there is a display of the E class cars at the factory that shows this progression. ?? Sent from my iPad On Jul 5, 2013, at 9:13 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: Some teenager making up history again. Benz model designations and badges were, and usually still are, the engine displacement/equipment and body type -- for instance, 220D indicated a 2.2L diesel engine, 280SE 4.5 indicated a 2.8L engine (as original design) in a heavy body equipped with fuel injection and a 4.5L V8 instead of the original 2.8L six. Benz used this designation system along with chassis design numbers from the origin of the company I think until the 2000s, when some genius decided people were too stupid to tell what the S was for (or SL) and started calling the large sedans S Class, the mid sized ones E Class and the small ones C Class. The Ponton was indeed the fore-runner of the E Class, in exactly the same way the Chevrolet Nova II was the fore-runner of the current Malibu -- it's the smaller chassis compared to the big car. Remember that kids today are taught that computers have all the answers and if it's on the internet it has to be true and computers think for you. Nothing exists from before the smart phone age, after all. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?
This article was also quoted: http://www.edmunds.com/mercedes-benz/e-class/history.html Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 5, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Apparently there is a display of the E class cars at the factory that shows this progression. ?? Sent from my iPad On Jul 5, 2013, at 9:13 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: Some teenager making up history again. Benz model designations and badges were, and usually still are, the engine displacement/equipment and body type -- for instance, 220D indicated a 2.2L diesel engine, 280SE 4.5 indicated a 2.8L engine (as original design) in a heavy body equipped with fuel injection and a 4.5L V8 instead of the original 2.8L six. Benz used this designation system along with chassis design numbers from the origin of the company I think until the 2000s, when some genius decided people were too stupid to tell what the S was for (or SL) and started calling the large sedans S Class, the mid sized ones E Class and the small ones C Class. The Ponton was indeed the fore-runner of the E Class, in exactly the same way the Chevrolet Nova II was the fore-runner of the current Malibu -- it's the smaller chassis compared to the big car. Remember that kids today are taught that computers have all the answers and if it's on the internet it has to be true and computers think for you. Nothing exists from before the smart phone age, after all. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?
Nothing remarkable about making a mid-sized car, everyone did it starting in the early 50's. Some marketing teenager making up history after the fact -- Benz has made mid-sized cars since the Ponton, sure, but there isn't much difference in design between the mid-sized and large (or small) cars, as they often use identical suspension parts, etc. Sorta like claiming Eva Braun's MB started the SL lineage. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?
On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 6:13 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: Benz used this designation system along with chassis design numbers from the origin of the company I think until the 2000s, when some genius decided people were too stupid to tell what the S was for (or SL) and started calling the large sedans S Class, the mid sized ones E Class and the small ones C Class. The 1994 model year was when the Great Renaming took place and the current Class system was established. The 190E (whose model number had never reflected its displacement anyway in the USA where we never got the 1.9-liter gas four) was replaced by the C220, the 300E became the E320, the 300SE became the S320, and so on. It seems clear in hindsight (to me, at least) that the marketeers were trying to make M-B cars more directly comparable to Lexus and Infiniti, both of whose badges lineups originally used a strict letter-number system where the letter indicated body style and the number was engine size (ES300, Q45, and so on). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Until the teenagers took over the marketing dep't you had to _know_ the model line to know what was what. Not exactly an onerous task, but there you go. Good thing they fixed that for us. Prior to the introduction of that wretched 'class' system, that came in with price-point design, they only had one class: top! The bigger engines were in the heavier, more luxurious models, that's all. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?
Dan wrote: Apparently there is a display of the E class cars at the factory that shows this progression. Is this the same factory that screwed up the labels and designation? So why would you trust the signs at the factory museum? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?
Midsize models can be traced farther back, but I think it would be fair to say the Pontons (like that of the W110 W111/W112 Fintail sedans), were forerunners of both the current E S Class. On 7/5/2013 7:32 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Some guy over at BenzWorld is claiming that the E class started way back with Pontons. I go and look it up, and there are articles talking about the same. Since when was the E class the son of Pontons? Befuddled Dan -- Chris J. MBCA Peachtree section Past MB Models: '85 190D 2.2, '94 E420, '87 260E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless?
Could be both --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] An I Just Stupid, or Clueless? Clueless
Not so, 93/94 marked the end of carburetted Merc engines. Hence no need to distinguish between injected and non injected. Far as lineage goes, it does not entirely matter but the S class started in the pontoon as well, with the super roundies. You could also argue that the smaller engined ones are the predecessor of the C class. Hendrik who has an E class On 05/07/13 23:34, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 6:13 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: Benz used this designation system along with chassis design numbers from the origin of the company I think until the 2000s, when some genius decided people were too stupid to tell what the S was for (or SL) and started calling the large sedans S Class, the mid sized ones E Class and the small ones C Class. The 1994 model year was when the Great Renaming took place and the current Class system was established. The 190E (whose model number had never reflected its displacement anyway in the USA where we never got the 1.9-liter gas four) was replaced by the C220, the 300E became the E320, the 300SE became the S320, and so on. It seems clear in hindsight (to me, at least) that the marketeers were trying to make M-B cars more directly comparable to Lexus and Infiniti, both of whose badges lineups originally used a strict letter-number system where the letter indicated body style and the number was engine size (ES300, Q45, and so on). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
