[MBZ] Bosch Nozzles
Whent to my local Mercedes Dealer and bought new nozzles DNSOD-265 for the W124 300D ( non turbo ) and these to my horror are made in India. Upon opening the sealed capsule they came in I see under magnification that its covered in dirt and visible machining marks. Spray is also poor as is opening pressure which has dropped 1500 kpa. Then phoned the local Bosch dealer and they also only sell the Indian version. Can one still get 265's made in Europe? Peter ( South Africa ) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles
You should be able to find the german made one online. Is it possible what you have is a rebuilt? Harry 69 280 SEL 72 350SL ? 04 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata ? -Original Message- From: Peter Merle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 2:31 am Subject: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles Whent to my local Mercedes Dealer and bought new nozzles DNSOD-265 for the W124 300D ( non turbo ) and these to my horror are made in India. Upon opening the sealed capsule they came in I see under magnification that its covered in dirt and visible machining marks. Spray is also poor as is opening pressure which has dropped 1500 kpa. Then phoned the local Bosch dealer and they also only sell the Indian version. Can one still get 265's made in Europe? Peter ( South Africa ) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > You should be able to find the german made one online. Is it possible what > you have is a rebuilt? The new Bosch nozzles are (poorly) made in India. Rebuilt injectors will have new nozzles. I started seeing people begging for NOS German nozzles three or four years ago, they are hard to find. It appears that we are better off buying other brands, or testing used nozzles until we find a full set of good ones. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles
So are most of the India Bosch spark plugs ,poor finish with a rough grainy feel. worst they can fail without warnings on the M130 engine some starting shorting intermittently and engine felt heavy, a set of ND solved the problem with full smooth power. mak - Original Message - From: "Peter Merle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:31 PM Subject: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles > > Whent to my local Mercedes Dealer and bought new nozzles DNSOD-265 for > the W124 300D ( non turbo ) and these to my horror are made in India. > Upon opening the sealed capsule they came in I see under magnification > that its covered in dirt and visible machining marks. Spray is also poor > as is opening pressure which has dropped 1500 kpa. Then phoned the local > Bosch dealer and they also only sell the Indian version. Can one still > get 265's made in Europe? > > Peter ( South Africa ) > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.15.23/1114 - Release Date: > 11/6/2007 8:05 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles
like many people at this point, i've given up on bosch spark plugs completely and now use ngk. On Nov 9, 2007 9:19 AM, M.Affzaal.Khan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So are most of the India Bosch spark plugs ,poor finish with a rough > grainy > feel. worst they can fail without warnings > on the M130 engine some starting shorting intermittently and engine felt > heavy, a set of ND solved the problem with full smooth power. > mak > - Original Message - > From: "Peter Merle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:31 PM > Subject: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles > > > > > > Whent to my local Mercedes Dealer and bought new nozzles DNSOD-265 for > > the W124 300D ( non turbo ) and these to my horror are made in India. > > Upon opening the sealed capsule they came in I see under magnification > > that its covered in dirt and visible machining marks. Spray is also poor > > as is opening pressure which has dropped 1500 kpa. Then phoned the local > > Bosch dealer and they also only sell the Indian version. Can one still > > get 265's made in Europe? > > > > Peter ( South Africa ) > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.15.23/1114 - Release Date: > > 11/6/2007 8:05 PM > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles
What's wrong with Berui Are they manufactured in Pakistan? On Nov 9, 2007 9:59 AM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > like many people at this point, i've given up on bosch spark plugs > completely and now use ngk. > > On Nov 9, 2007 9:19 AM, M.Affzaal.Khan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > So are most of the India Bosch spark plugs ,poor finish with a rough > > grainy > > feel. worst they can fail without warnings > > on the M130 engine some starting shorting intermittently and engine felt > > heavy, a set of ND solved the problem with full smooth power. > > mak > > - Original Message - > > From: "Peter Merle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:31 PM > > Subject: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles > > > > > > > > > > Whent to my local Mercedes Dealer and bought new nozzles DNSOD-265 for > > > the W124 300D ( non turbo ) and these to my horror are made in India. > > > Upon opening the sealed capsule they came in I see under magnification > > > that its covered in dirt and visible machining marks. Spray is also poor > > > as is opening pressure which has dropped 1500 kpa. Then phoned the local > > > Bosch dealer and they also only sell the Indian version. Can one still > > > get 265's made in Europe? > > > > > > Peter ( South Africa ) > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.15.23/1114 - Release Date: > > > 11/6/2007 8:05 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles
i've just never used them and have no anactdotal feedback about them. i know that ngk works, so i use those. On Nov 9, 2007 10:07 AM, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What's wrong with Berui Are they manufactured in Pakistan? > > On Nov 9, 2007 9:59 AM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > like many people at this point, i've given up on bosch spark plugs > > completely and now use ngk. > > > > On Nov 9, 2007 9:19 AM, M.Affzaal.Khan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > So are most of the India Bosch spark plugs ,poor finish with a rough > > > grainy > > > feel. worst they can fail without warnings > > > on the M130 engine some starting shorting intermittently and engine > felt > > > heavy, a set of ND solved the problem with full smooth power. > > > mak > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Peter Merle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:31 PM > > > Subject: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whent to my local Mercedes Dealer and bought new nozzles DNSOD-265 > for > > > > the W124 300D ( non turbo ) and these to my horror are made in > India. > > > > Upon opening the sealed capsule they came in I see under > magnification > > > > that its covered in dirt and visible machining marks. Spray is also > poor > > > > as is opening pressure which has dropped 1500 kpa. Then phoned the > local > > > > Bosch dealer and they also only sell the Indian version. Can one > still > > > > get 265's made in Europe? > > > > > > > > Peter ( South Africa ) > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.15.23/1114 - Release Date: > > > > 11/6/2007 8:05 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles
I believe The correct name is Beru and they are excellent ,howerver the ignition leads are sometimes a bit on short side. mak - Original Message - From: "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles > What's wrong with Berui Are they manufactured in Pakistan? > > On Nov 9, 2007 9:59 AM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> like many people at this point, i've given up on bosch spark plugs >> completely and now use ngk. >> >> On Nov 9, 2007 9:19 AM, M.Affzaal.Khan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > So are most of the India Bosch spark plugs ,poor finish with a rough >> > grainy >> > feel. worst they can fail without warnings >> > on the M130 engine some starting shorting intermittently and engine >> > felt >> > heavy, a set of ND solved the problem with full smooth power. >> > mak >> > - Original Message - >> > From: "Peter Merle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >> > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:31 PM >> > Subject: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles >> > >> > >> > > >> > > Whent to my local Mercedes Dealer and bought new nozzles DNSOD-265 >> > > for >> > > the W124 300D ( non turbo ) and these to my horror are made in India. >> > > Upon opening the sealed capsule they came in I see under >> > > magnification >> > > that its covered in dirt and visible machining marks. Spray is also >> > > poor >> > > as is opening pressure which has dropped 1500 kpa. Then phoned the >> > > local >> > > Bosch dealer and they also only sell the Indian version. Can one >> > > still >> > > get 265's made in Europe? >> > > >> > > Peter ( South Africa ) >> > > >> > > ___ >> > > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > >> > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > > Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.15.23/1114 - Release Date: >> > > 11/6/2007 8:05 PM >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.15.23/1114 - Release Date: > 11/6/2007 8:05 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles
Beru is from Germany and their products rarely fail. > i've just never used them and have no anactdotal feedback about them. i > know that ngk works, so i use those. > > On Nov 9, 2007 10:07 AM, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> What's wrong with Berui Are they manufactured in Pakistan? >> >> On Nov 9, 2007 9:59 AM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > like many people at this point, i've given up on bosch spark plugs >> > completely and now use ngk. >> > >> > On Nov 9, 2007 9:19 AM, M.Affzaal.Khan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > wrote: >> > >> > > So are most of the India Bosch spark plugs ,poor finish with a rough >> > > grainy >> > > feel. worst they can fail without warnings >> > > on the M130 engine some starting shorting intermittently and engine >> felt >> > > heavy, a set of ND solved the problem with full smooth power. >> > > mak >> > > - Original Message - >> > > From: "Peter Merle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >> > > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:31 PM >> > > Subject: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > Whent to my local Mercedes Dealer and bought new nozzles DNSOD-265 >> for >> > > > the W124 300D ( non turbo ) and these to my horror are made in >> India. >> > > > Upon opening the sealed capsule they came in I see under >> magnification >> > > > that its covered in dirt and visible machining marks. Spray is also >> poor >> > > > as is opening pressure which has dropped 1500 kpa. Then phoned the >> local >> > > > Bosch dealer and they also only sell the Indian version. Can one >> still >> > > > get 265's made in Europe? >> > > > >> > > > Peter ( South Africa ) >> > > > >> > > > ___ >> > > > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > >> > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > > > Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.15.23/1114 - Release Date: >> > > > 11/6/2007 8:05 PM >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ___ >> > > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > >> > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.15.23/1114 - Release Date: > 11/6/2007 8:05 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles
Where are the injectors made that you and Rusty sell? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles > like many people at this point, i've given up on bosch spark plugs > completely and now use ngk. > > On Nov 9, 2007 9:19 AM, M.Affzaal.Khan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> So are most of the India Bosch spark plugs ,poor finish with a rough >> grainy >> feel. worst they can fail without warnings >> on the M130 engine some starting shorting intermittently and engine felt >> heavy, a set of ND solved the problem with full smooth power. >> mak >> - Original Message - >> From: "Peter Merle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:31 PM >> Subject: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles >> >> >> > >> > Whent to my local Mercedes Dealer and bought new nozzles DNSOD-265 for >> > the W124 300D ( non turbo ) and these to my horror are made in India. >> > Upon opening the sealed capsule they came in I see under magnification >> > that its covered in dirt and visible machining marks. Spray is also >> > poor >> > as is opening pressure which has dropped 1500 kpa. Then phoned the >> > local >> > Bosch dealer and they also only sell the Indian version. Can one still >> > get 265's made in Europe? >> > >> > Peter ( South Africa ) >> > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.15.23/1114 - Release Date: >> > 11/6/2007 8:05 PM >> > >> > >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.26/1120 - Release Date: > 11/9/2007 9:26 AM > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles
Mostly India, but we really have no trouble with them. I think that they get a bad rap. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles > Where are the injectors made that you and Rusty sell? > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > . > > - Original Message - > From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 9:59 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles > > >> like many people at this point, i've given up on bosch spark plugs >> completely and now use ngk. >> >> On Nov 9, 2007 9:19 AM, M.Affzaal.Khan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> So are most of the India Bosch spark plugs ,poor finish with a rough >>> grainy >>> feel. worst they can fail without warnings >>> on the M130 engine some starting shorting intermittently and engine >>> felt >>> heavy, a set of ND solved the problem with full smooth power. >>> mak >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Peter Merle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >>> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:31 PM >>> Subject: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles >>> >>> >>> > >>> > Whent to my local Mercedes Dealer and bought new nozzles DNSOD-265 >>> > for >>> > the W124 300D ( non turbo ) and these to my horror are made in India. >>> > Upon opening the sealed capsule they came in I see under magnification >>> > that its covered in dirt and visible machining marks. Spray is also >>> > poor >>> > as is opening pressure which has dropped 1500 kpa. Then phoned the >>> > local >>> > Bosch dealer and they also only sell the Indian version. Can one still >>> > get 265's made in Europe? >>> > >>> > Peter ( South Africa ) >>> > >>> > ___ >>> > http://www.okiebenz.com >>> > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > >>> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > No virus found in this incoming message. >>> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> > Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.15.23/1114 - Release Date: >>> > 11/6/2007 8:05 PM >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.26/1120 - Release Date: >> 11/9/2007 9:26 AM >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles
Bosio Nozzle seem to have tighter QC than bosch india. Ipretty sure they are italian made. Rusty can you get the Bosio nozzles? If they don't come from you I'm not sure I want them. Bob D. Parrish, FL ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles
I don't carry them. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: "Bob DuPuy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles > Bosio Nozzle seem to have tighter QC than bosch india. Ipretty sure > they are italian made. Rusty can you get the Bosio nozzles? If they > don't come from you I'm not sure I want them. > > Bob D. > Parrish, FL > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I wonder if that is the same reason Bosch had so many troubles with the ABS/ASR system on alot of the VW's. Cheaper labor and substandard parts? Its any wonder they stay in business, is there no pride in making good products anymore??? Harry 69 280 SEL 72 350SL ? 04 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata ? -Original Message- From: Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 8:59 am Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles like many people at this point, i've given up on bosch spark plugs completely and now use ngk. On Nov 9, 2007 9:19 AM, M.Affzaal.Khan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So are most of the India Bosch spark plugs ,poor finish with a rough > grainy > feel. worst they can fail without warnings > on the M130 engine some starting shorting intermittently and engine felt > heavy, a set of ND solved the problem with full smooth power. > mak > - Original Message - > From: "Peter Merle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:31 PM > Subject: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles > > > > > > Whent to my local Mercedes Dealer and bought new nozzles DNSOD-265 for > > the W124 300D ( non turbo ) and these to my horror are made in India. > > Upon opening the sealed capsule they came in I see under magnification > > that its covered in dirt and visible machining marks. Spray is also poor > > as is opening pressure which has dropped 1500 kpa. Then phoned the local > > Bosch dealer and they also only sell the Indian version. Can one still > > get 265's made in Europe? > > > > Peter ( South Africa ) > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.15.23/1114 - Release Date: > > 11/6/2007 8:05 PM > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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no, the consumer wants cheap, so he gets cheap. the germans can do "good" but it doesn't seem that "cheap and good" is something they have mastered. but the other twist on this is that they don't sell it to the consumer all that cheap . so we are left with "expensive and crappy" and this, my friends, is in summa why mercedes has become the jaguar of the 21st century. On Nov 10, 2007 12:16 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wonder if that is the same reason Bosch had so many troubles with the > ABS/ASR system on alot of the VW's. Cheaper labor and substandard parts? Its > any wonder they stay in business, is there no pride in making good products > anymore??? > > > Harry > 69 280 SEL > 72 350SL ? > 04 VW Passat 4 Motion > 1999 Mazda Miata ? > > > -Original Message- > From: Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Sent: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 8:59 am > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles > > > > like many people at this point, i've given up on bosch spark plugs > completely and now use ngk. > > On Nov 9, 2007 9:19 AM, M.Affzaal.Khan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > So are most of the India Bosch spark plugs ,poor finish with a rough > > grainy > > feel. worst they can fail without warnings > > on the M130 engine some starting shorting intermittently and engine > felt > > heavy, a set of ND solved the problem with full smooth power. > > mak > > - Original Message - > > From: "Peter Merle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:31 PM > > Subject: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles > > > > > > > > > > Whent to my local Mercedes Dealer and bought new nozzles DNSOD-265 > for > > > the W124 300D ( non turbo ) and these to my horror are made in India. > > > Upon opening the sealed capsule they came in I see under magnification > > > that its covered in dirt and visible machining marks. Spray is also > poor > > > as is opening pressure which has dropped 1500 kpa. Then phoned the > local > > > Bosch dealer and they also only sell the Indian version. Can one still > > > get 265's made in Europe? > > > > > > Peter ( South Africa ) > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.15.23/1114 - Release Date: > > > 11/6/2007 8:05 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and > industry-leading spam and email virus protection. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hi Gary, A few years back - probably 20 yrs I expect, there was a problem with Chinese counterfiet fasteners. Seems the biggest problem was in bolts needed in critical applications (naturally) - flywheel bolts, rod bolts, etc. Bolt started breaking and when the metal was evaluated it failed the meturlurgy test even though the paperwork seemed to be in place. Eventually the truth came out and it was learned the Chinese had counterfeited the fasteners from birth to shipping. All the paperwork was perfect - Now, we have toys made in China covered in lead paint and plastic toy beads which turn into a date rape drug when wet. Naturally kids being kids, the 1st thing they do is put them in their mouths. Several kids have died and several more in Austraulia. Wondering how many of your parts are made in China and have you seen any quality problems? Later -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles > no, the consumer wants cheap, so he gets cheap. the germans can do "good" > but it doesn't seem that "cheap and good" is something they have mastered. > but the other twist on this is that they don't sell it to the consumer all > that cheap . so we are left with "expensive and crappy" > > and this, my friends, is in summa why mercedes has become the jaguar of > the > 21st century. > > On Nov 10, 2007 12:16 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I wonder if that is the same reason Bosch had so many troubles with the >> ABS/ASR system on alot of the VW's. Cheaper labor and substandard parts? >> Its >> any wonder they stay in business, is there no pride in making good >> products >> anymore??? >> >> >> Harry >> 69 280 SEL >> 72 350SL ? >> 04 VW Passat 4 Motion >> 1999 Mazda Miata ? >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Sent: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 8:59 am >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles >> >> >> >> like many people at this point, i've given up on bosch spark plugs >> completely and now use ngk. >> >> On Nov 9, 2007 9:19 AM, M.Affzaal.Khan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > So are most of the India Bosch spark plugs ,poor finish with a rough >> > grainy >> > feel. worst they can fail without warnings >> > on the M130 engine some starting shorting intermittently and engine >> felt >> > heavy, a set of ND solved the problem with full smooth power. >> > mak >> > - Original Message - >> > From: "Peter Merle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >> > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:31 PM >> > Subject: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles >> > >> > >> > > >> > > Whent to my local Mercedes Dealer and bought new nozzles DNSOD-265 >> for >> > > the W124 300D ( non turbo ) and these to my horror are made in India. >> > > Upon opening the sealed capsule they came in I see under >> > > magnification >> > > that its covered in dirt and visible machining marks. Spray is also >> poor >> > > as is opening pressure which has dropped 1500 kpa. Then phoned the >> local >> > > Bosch dealer and they also only sell the Indian version. Can one >> > > still >> > > get 265's made in Europe? >> > > >> > > Peter ( South Africa ) >> > > >> > > ___ >> > > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > >> > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > > Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.15.23/1114 - Release Date: >> > > 11/6/2007 8:05 PM >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > __
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I was Q.C. guy at a high quality fastener house a few years ago. At the time, you could buy a pound of HIGH Quality Japaneese fasteners cheaper than a pound of raw steel here! Those cap screws would pass ALL tests. Today, most of the high quality cap screws come fron off shore. ;-( Pete -- Original message -- From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi Gary, > A few years back - probably 20 yrs I expect, there was a problem with > Chinese counterfiet fasteners. Seems the biggest problem was in bolts > needed in critical applications (naturally) - flywheel bolts, rod bolts, > etc. Bolt started breaking and when the metal was evaluated it failed the > meturlurgy test even though the paperwork seemed to be in place. Eventually > the truth came out and it was learned the Chinese had counterfeited the > fasteners from birth to shipping. All the paperwork was perfect - > > Now, we have toys made in China covered in lead paint and plastic toy > beads which turn into a date rape drug when wet. Naturally kids being kids, > the 1st thing they do is put them in their mouths. Several kids have died > and several more in Austraulia. > > Wondering how many of your parts are made in China and have you seen any > quality problems? > > Later -- > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > . > > - Original Message - > From: "Gary Hurst" > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:11 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles > > > > no, the consumer wants cheap, so he gets cheap. the germans can do "good" > > but it doesn't seem that "cheap and good" is something they have mastered. > > but the other twist on this is that they don't sell it to the consumer all > > that cheap . so we are left with "expensive and crappy" > > > > and this, my friends, is in summa why mercedes has become the jaguar of > > the > > 21st century. > > > > On Nov 10, 2007 12:16 AM, wrote: > > > >> I wonder if that is the same reason Bosch had so many troubles with the > >> ABS/ASR system on alot of the VW's. Cheaper labor and substandard parts? > >> Its > >> any wonder they stay in business, is there no pride in making good > >> products > >> anymore??? > >> > >> > >> Harry > >> 69 280 SEL > >> 72 350SL ? > >> 04 VW Passat 4 Motion > >> 1999 Mazda Miata ? > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Gary Hurst > >> To: Mercedes Discussion List > >> Sent: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 8:59 am > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles > >> > >> > >> > >> like many people at this point, i've given up on bosch spark plugs > >> completely and now use ngk. > >> > >> On Nov 9, 2007 9:19 AM, M.Affzaal.Khan wrote: > >> > >> > So are most of the India Bosch spark plugs ,poor finish with a rough > >> > grainy > >> > feel. worst they can fail without warnings > >> > on the M130 engine some starting shorting intermittently and engine > >> felt > >> > heavy, a set of ND solved the problem with full smooth power. > >> > mak > >> > - Original Message - > >> > From: "Peter Merle" > >> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > >> > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:31 PM > >> > Subject: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > Whent to my local Mercedes Dealer and bought new nozzles DNSOD-265 > >> for > >> > > the W124 300D ( non turbo ) and these to my horror are made in India. > >> > > Upon opening the sealed capsule they came in I see under > >> > > magnification > >> > > that its covered in dirt and visible machining marks. Spray is also > >> poor > >> > > as is opening pressure which has dropped 1500 kpa. Then phoned the > >> local > >> > > Bosch dealer and they also only sell the Indian version. Can one > >> > > still > >> > > get 265's made in Europe? > >> > > > >> > > Peter ( South Africa ) > >> > > > >
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not many chinese parts and the few we have are made by OEM manufacturers. it's difficult to tell how bad this is as some people claim that the chinese made is just as good as the german made and some claim they are not. they have not presented any quality problems. there is a huge anti asian parts bias among mercedes owners, so it's pretty hard to know what to believe about their quality. years ago, we had access to very very high quality asian motor mounts and no one wanted them, preferring the inferior and higher priced german mounts. nothing you could say or do would change that. the deal with the chinese is that they can make any quality you would like and are willing to pay for cheaper than anyone else can. if you want good, they can make good. i am told that the chinese make absolutely top quality violins, selling for half the cost of a comparable european violin. i am told that the same situation exists with regards to furniture. so i guess i deal with it as such: 1. i have no issue with asian products that i perceive to be of superior quality and would choose them over german products. for example, i'd buy akebono brake pads over textars any day of the weak. 2. if a product is made in asia under the name of an OEM or, really, any well known western company, i am willing to give the product the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. for example, in terms of shoes i've been wearing nothing but crocs for the past 2 years. some are just marked "boulder, colorado" and some are marked "made in china". i make no distinction between them. 3. asian junk, like any junk, should be entirely avoided. in terms of toys, i would not let my kid mess with no name chinese toys, but would let her if it was made by a brand such as mattel. while i'd like to avoid chinese toys altogether, this is almost impossible as nearly all popular kid toys are made in china and you really can't switch out barbie with swedish educational all birch natural building blocks and make it work. On Nov 10, 2007 10:28 AM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Gary, >A few years back - probably 20 yrs I expect, there was a problem with > Chinese counterfiet fasteners. Seems the biggest problem was in bolts > needed in critical applications (naturally) - flywheel bolts, rod bolts, > etc. Bolt started breaking and when the metal was evaluated it failed the > meturlurgy test even though the paperwork seemed to be in place. > Eventually > the truth came out and it was learned the Chinese had counterfeited the > fasteners from birth to shipping. All the paperwork was perfect - > >Now, we have toys made in China covered in lead paint and plastic toy > beads which turn into a date rape drug when wet. Naturally kids being > kids, > the 1st thing they do is put them in their mouths. Several kids have died > and several more in Austraulia. > >Wondering how many of your parts are made in China and have you seen > any > quality problems? > > Later -- > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > . > > - Original Message - > From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:11 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles > > > > no, the consumer wants cheap, so he gets cheap. the germans can do > "good" > > but it doesn't seem that "cheap and good" is something they have > mastered. > > but the other twist on this is that they don't sell it to the consumer > all > > that cheap . so we are left with "expensive and crappy" > > > > and this, my friends, is in summa why mercedes has become the jaguar of > > the > > 21st century. > > > > On Nov 10, 2007 12:16 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> I wonder if that is the same reason Bosch had so many troubles with the > >> ABS/ASR system on alot of the VW's. Cheaper labor and substandard > parts? > >> Its > >> any wonder they stay in business, is there no pride in making good > >> products > >> anymore??? > >> > >> > >> Harry > >> 69 280 SEL > >> 72 350SL ? > >> 04 VW Passat 4 Motion > >> 1999 Mazda Miata ? > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: Mercedes Discussion List > >> Sent: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 8:59 am > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles > >
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on 11/10/07 11:05, Gary Hurst at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > the deal with the chinese is that they can make any quality you would like > and are willing to pay for cheaper than anyone else can. if you want good, > they can make good. i am told that the chinese make absolutely top quality > violins, selling for half the cost of a comparable european violin. i am > told that the same situation exists with regards to furniture. We have to deal with the Asians. We also have to define powerfully as consumers what we choose to deal with them for. People seem to have forgotten that in the lifetime of many people here (I am 48), "Made in Japan" has gone from a schoolyard taunt used to insult the possessions of another (your new bike's made in Japan, it's a piece of ___"), to an almost universal assurance of functionality and durability. Remember we made stereos, televisions and small appliances in North America? The Asians have an ability to rethink, regroup and remake themselves that is unmatched. Did you know that the first Subarus ever imported to California were literally pulled off the lots and junked because of their abysmal build quality and coke-can sheetmetal? A decade or so later they had a cult following in the northeast U.S. The Koreans and the Chinese are learning even faster than the Japanese ever did, and they have CPU power to leverage their grey matter even more. Just look at the rise of Kia in consumer ratings, crash tests and post-purchase quality surveys. In the automotive field the Europeans are a spent force, in terms of what gets sent here. They have completely lost sight of the price/quality balance scorecard. I know people who work in the dealer/service end of both VW and Mercedes, and they are the first to admit that the products no longer satisfy the purchasers as they once did. However, my take is that Mercedes is following Volvo's (lead with its crappy 93-on FWD cars) and expanding its market base by broadening its appeal to bring fresh, younger, upwardly-mobile meat into the showrooms to replace the traditional clients who are slipping away. Volvo has saved its bacon with this, but I'm not certain it will work over the long run for Benz as it has a bigger reputation and heritage to live up to. Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that. American manufacturing has NEVER been world quality -- for some reason, we never get beyond fishing good parts out of a rising tide of bad ones, and innovation is stamped out instantly if it detracts a single cent from the current daily bottom line. Also, the Chinese artificially control their currency to much less than it's real value (this lets them convert the US into a Colony -- we send them raw materials cheap and buy high cost manufactured goods from them at artificial prices). Remember, China is still a Communist country with a centrally planned economy and full government control over all economic activity, recent "free market" behavior notwithstanding. Part of the problem with Chinese toys is that Mattel and others demand VERY low cost toys, although the sell them at the same price as quality goods. So does WalMart (and I suspect both a dipping on both ends, having a stake in the manufacturing and shipping on the Chinese end as well, I'm fairly certain WalMart does). For the store price, these goods could easily be made in the US with reasonable profit margins on modern equipment, but Mattel has decided being a transshipper of goods is better than manufacturing them. That, of course, makes their stock worth nothing (the company's assets consist of a client list and hired container handlers), but so long as no one looks close or asks sharp questions, it's one hell of a deal for the long term stockholders. The result is crap sold as high quality goods at very high profit margins, and Americans seem to chronically mistake purchase price for for value. Witness the fact that DVD players are very low price, even though a decently made one cannot be cheap. They break, but since WallyWorld sells them for, say, $59, the "value" of any DVD player instantly becomes $59 no matter what the quality. Don't ask me why, but the American market cheerfully buys trash at inflated prices in droves. Cheap stuff is NOT a good value, it's junk that the consumer paid way too much for. Nice profit margins for the distributor (upwards of 80% there for a while), but in the long run, this kinda stuff wrecks economies. Sure, there are good Chinese goods out there, but you won't see them in American stores -- not enough margin. Peter On Nov 10, 2007, at 10:32 AM, Steve MacSween wrote: > on 11/10/07 11:05, Gary Hurst at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> the deal with the chinese is that they can make any quality you would >> like >> and are willing to pay for cheaper than anyone else can. if you want >> good, >> they can make good. i am told that the chinese make absolutely top >> quality >> violins, selling for half the cost of a comparable european violin. >> i am >> told that the same situation exists with regards to furniture. > > We have to deal with the Asians. We also have to define powerfully as > consumers what we choose to deal with them for. > > People seem to have forgotten that in the lifetime of many people here > (I am > 48), "Made in Japan" has gone from a schoolyard taunt used to insult > the > possessions of another (your new bike's made in Japan, it's a piece of > ___"), to an almost universal assurance of functionality and > durability. > > Remember we made stereos, televisions and small appliances in North > America? > > The Asians have an ability to rethink, regroup and remake themselves > that is > unmatched. Did you know that the first Subarus ever imported to > California > were literally pulled off the lots and junked because of their abysmal > build > quality and coke-can sheetmetal? A decade or so later they had a cult > following in the northeast U.S. > > The Koreans and the Chinese are learning even faster than the Japanese > ever > did, and they have CPU power to leverage their grey matter even more. > Just > look at the rise of Kia in consumer ratings, crash tests and > post-purchase > quality surveys. > > In the automotive field the Europeans are a spent force, in terms of > what > gets sent here. They have completely lost sight of the price/quality > balance > scorecard. I know people who work in the dealer/service end of both VW > and > Mercedes, and they are the first to admit that the products no longer > satisfy the purchasers as they once did. > > However, my take is that Mercedes is following Volvo's (lead with its > crappy > 93-on FWD cars) and expanding its market base by broadening its appeal > to > bring fresh, younger, upwardly-mobile meat into the showrooms to > replace the > traditional clients who are slipping away. Volvo has saved its bacon > with > this, but I'm not certain it will work over the long run for Benz as > it has > a bigger reputation and heritage to live up to. > > Mac > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
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Hi Steve, Interesting post - well thought out and filled with truths. You said of MB <> Any idea *where* those clients are going? Lexus? Infiniti? Rolls? If guessing I'd say Lex or Infini - mostly because only very rich will want to be seen driving a RR (IMHO of course) because of the "Rah, Rah, Here I come" aura that goes with RR ownership. Also, is it my imagination or do the values of RR fall pretty quickly? One other point of reference re the Japanese - when Porsche fell to the bottom in sales (less than 1000 cars sold in 92 or 93 - from memory - sorry if that's wrong - they called the Japanese effieciency experts to evaluate the Porsche operation and make recommendations. Initially Porsche had layoffs, but within a couple of years, the rehire was complete and additional 1000s were hired thanks to the very high numbers of Porsches sold worldwide. One other country that hopes to start selling cars here is the Chinese - given the success of Kia and Hyunda, etc I expect the Chinese to come to the table well prepared. I try to avoid buying products made in China (don't like their politics or practices) but it's gettiing near impossible. later - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Steve MacSween" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles > on 11/10/07 11:05, Gary Hurst at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> the deal with the chinese is that they can make any quality you would >> like >> and are willing to pay for cheaper than anyone else can. if you want >> good, >> they can make good. i am told that the chinese make absolutely top >> quality >> violins, selling for half the cost of a comparable european violin. i am >> told that the same situation exists with regards to furniture. > > We have to deal with the Asians. We also have to define powerfully as > consumers what we choose to deal with them for. > > People seem to have forgotten that in the lifetime of many people here (I > am > 48), "Made in Japan" has gone from a schoolyard taunt used to insult the > possessions of another (your new bike's made in Japan, it's a piece of > ___"), to an almost universal assurance of functionality and durability. > > Remember we made stereos, televisions and small appliances in North > America? > > The Asians have an ability to rethink, regroup and remake themselves that > is > unmatched. Did you know that the first Subarus ever imported to California > were literally pulled off the lots and junked because of their abysmal > build > quality and coke-can sheetmetal? A decade or so later they had a cult > following in the northeast U.S. > > The Koreans and the Chinese are learning even faster than the Japanese > ever > did, and they have CPU power to leverage their grey matter even more. Just > look at the rise of Kia in consumer ratings, crash tests and post-purchase > quality surveys. > > In the automotive field the Europeans are a spent force, in terms of what > gets sent here. They have completely lost sight of the price/quality > balance > scorecard. I know people who work in the dealer/service end of both VW and > Mercedes, and they are the first to admit that the products no longer > satisfy the purchasers as they once did. > > However, my take is that Mercedes is following Volvo's (lead with its > crappy > 93-on FWD cars) and expanding its market base by broadening its appeal to > bring fresh, younger, upwardly-mobile meat into the showrooms to replace > the > traditional clients who are slipping away. Volvo has saved its bacon with > this, but I'm not certain it will work over the long run for Benz as it > has > a bigger reputation and heritage to live up to. > > Mac > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.28/1122 - Release Date: > 11/10/2007 10:41 AM > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles
Had the nozzles tested at local Bosch Diesel shop and they seem to think spray is OK. Fitted them and combustion noise ( "the diesel sound ") seems a lot noisier ? Seems like you can't get German nozzles here , will look out for Bosio Peter -Original Message- From: Peter Merle Sent: 09 November 2007 10:32 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles Whent to my local Mercedes Dealer and bought new nozzles DNSOD-265 for the W124 300D ( non turbo ) and these to my horror are made in India. Upon opening the sealed capsule they came in I see under magnification that its covered in dirt and visible machining marks. Spray is also poor as is opening pressure which has dropped 1500 kpa. Then phoned the local Bosch dealer and they also only sell the Indian version. Can one still get 265's made in Europe? Peter ( South Africa ) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles
Peter Merle wrote: > > Had the nozzles tested at local Bosch Diesel shop and they seem to think > spray is OK. Fitted them and combustion noise ( "the diesel sound ") > seems a lot noisier ? Seems like you can't get German nozzles here , > will look out for Bosio Aren't worn nozzles supposed to be quieter? Is it because they are worn, or because the pop pressure goes down as the springs get weaker with age? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles
The diesel clatter does not come from the injector opening, it comes from the combustion cycle. If a nozzle is worn to the point where it no longer sprays a cone or it leaks then the engine will be louder because some of the fuel will be unburned & will detonate with the next compression stroke. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 6:41 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles Peter Merle wrote: > > Had the nozzles tested at local Bosch Diesel shop and they seem to think > spray is OK. Fitted them and combustion noise ( "the diesel sound ") > seems a lot noisier ? Seems like you can't get German nozzles here , > will look out for Bosio Aren't worn nozzles supposed to be quieter? Is it because they are worn, or because the pop pressure goes down as the springs get weaker with age? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bosch Nozzles
New nozzles yield a crisp sound, not to be confused with the diesel knock. New nozzles should be somewhat louder, more crisp sounding. Older, well running diesels sound smoother and quieter because of wear and lower pop pressure. Any percussionist will understand crisp (tight) sound. At 06:41 AM 11/12/2007, you wrote: >Peter Merle wrote: > > > > Had the nozzles tested at local Bosch Diesel shop and they seem to think > > spray is OK. Fitted them and combustion noise ( "the diesel sound ") > > seems a lot noisier ? Seems like you can't get German nozzles here , > > will look out for Bosio > >Aren't worn nozzles supposed to be quieter? >Is it because they are worn, or because the pop pressure goes down >as the springs get weaker with age? >Mitch. > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
